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Heroes and Hypocrites · The Elsa Kurt Show

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: it's the Elsa Kirk show with Clay Novak serving up trending news and conservative views brought to you by the Elsa Kirk collection and don't know if it's all fun.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: It's never all fun.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: We know better than that.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: But we have a system here, right, clay, we start off hard, right, like we.
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: We just throw it at you, we get it over and done with, and then we move on to fun stuff, right?
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we always hit the big one first and we got a couple of big ones this week and I'm a little irritated about some of this stuff.
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: I'm maybe a little bit more animated than normal, but some of this stuff really got under my skin.
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: But we got some big stuff to talk about folks and, as promised, we will end with something a little bit lighter.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: As promised, we will end with something a little bit lighter, a few little little lighter things at the end, just to go out on a happier note.
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: But uh, it started right after this.
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  Speaker 4: Floods, feds and fake heroes.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the show where we call it like it is.
• 1:14
  Speaker 4: Texas is underwater, the DOJ is burying Epstein secrets, trump's up for a Nobel, musk is building a new party and Hollywood's turning Superman into a border policy lecture.
• 1:27
  Speaker 4: Buckle up, patriots, it's going to get real.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, is it ever?
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, right off the top, let's just hit the I mean honestly, the most devastating one, right off the bat, right, Just just awful, awful, awful, um, and it's so crazy.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: You know, we have the um, I have there's obviously there's tons of video, right, clay, I mean it's all over the place, um, but this one and I chopped it up a bit, um, just to just for time and uh, it's like a time-lapse.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: So somebody had done a time-lapse, it was like about a 35 minute time lapse, and they sped it up.
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: I took it and kind of chopped it up, but it just gives us that, that overview of how fast this happened.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: Where is that?
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: Let's see, here it is.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so here, let me take that off of there so we can actually see that time-lapse.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: So this is and I love that they put the clock down at the bottom there Just watching how this water is just moving through and wait, do you see the end of this?
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: It's just crazy to me, and I think this guy is like standing on.
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: He's on like a bridge, which is crazy in itself, as as, as is obvious.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: I took the sound off because it was like kind of really loud, but look at this, it's going right underneath there.
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: You see all that debris is just building up, building up.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: Now here we are, 23 minutes later.
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: From the start.
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: Look at this 23 minutes later.
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: That has got to be so terrifying to watch and I'm not sure if I give this guy credit for standing there and recording it all and not getting to safety.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: Um, but yeah, see the house.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Just insane 35 minutes there and it's gonna I think that's gonna cut out right about now.
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: Um, yeah, awful yeah, so, um, six counties, uh expected so kerr travis, uh, kendall burnett, williamson and tom Green counties and, for those that don't know, texas, well, that is Austin as a whole, everything around Austin, a little bit west of Austin, north of San Antonio, and then one other county a little north of that right now, and okay, so it's Wednesday, 430 in the afternoon, eastern time.
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: Because it matters that timestamp matters, because right now the count I saw was 119 and 161 still missing.
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah okay, and again, that number will change before this airs on Thursday.
• 4:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw everything from six inches in some places.
• 4:25
  Speaker 3: Most places was 10 to 12 inches.
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: Uh, some places were 20 inches, um, but but you know, you're that that film you showed really, what that tells you is not necessarily how much water, but how fast.
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: I mean you can get 20 inches of rain spread over two days or three days.
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: It'll be bad, but it won't be like that.
• 4:45
  Speaker 3: I mean 20 inches of rain.
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: That happened in a matter of a few hours, folks, and so that's the result that you get.
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: You get flash flood, scary, scary kind of stuff.
• 4:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and water.
• 4:59
  Speaker 3: Water is the worst.
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: It's strong, it's powerful, it's heavy, it is.
• 5:08
  Speaker 3: It will flow around through over anything and everything in its path.
• 5:12
  Speaker 3: It will carry.
• 5:12
  Speaker 3: You know the house is a prime example.
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: You know water and this, you know this is a case of the word, you know one of the worst case scenarios, but water is just, can, has the power to be absolutely devastating, and that's exactly what happened.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you add that next layer.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: You know all of those things that you said.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: And then there's the whole part about you can't see what's in that water when it's moving.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: The fact that you know.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: You see all the time these, these videos of people thinking like it'll be such a great idea to get out on their canoe or their raft.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: And you know, even if they're doing that with the best of intentions to try and rescue somebody, or they're trying to walk through it or swim through it, you have no idea what's in that water, and it's just you know.
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: The dangers are just multiplied by that.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: But you know the reason.
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: You know why I'm personally emphasizing that timeline, how fast that happened, um is because of all the disgusting accusations.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: You know and and I think that's really one of the most sickening parts um of all of this that and there's been plenty, but I'm sure you guys have seen it as well Um, you know just from the media, mainstream media outlets, the alphabet media outlets, um, you know right away going with.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: You know blaming Trump and cuts to the National Weather Service, and you know all of that nonsense.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: You know just running with completely false information and just bringing more damage to an already awful situation People just being disgusting, horrific humans.
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: There's a couple people that have actually gotten fired from their jobs.
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: There's this woman here who decided that this was a great comment to make.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: She is, or was, a doctor.
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: She, I believe, has beenian pediatrician pediatrician, right, yeah, you know.
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: And there's several others.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: I just you know.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want to give these disgusting people any more attention.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: You know, definitely want them called out for being horrific humans, but you know just the flip side of that.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: This guy here, 26-year-old Coast Guard rescue swimmer, scott Ruskin, saved 165 lives during the Texas floods.
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: So he is a rescue swimmer in the Coast Guard, which is, you know, listen, coast Guard doesn't get enough credit and I've said this a number of times.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: You know, before 9-11, coast Guard was in contact with bad people every single day and then you know, we use them.
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: When I was deployed, they have arrest authority.
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: They can arrest people.
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: So we had Coast Guardsmen on more than one occasion assigned or attached to us when we would go after some high value folks that needed to be potentially arrested by US authorities and then sent to places where US prisoners went.
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: So I worked with Coasties before.
• 8:12
  Speaker 3: They're very underrated folks, very professional organization and they put their butt on the line on a regular basis and this guy is a prime example.
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: So he's a rescue swimmer and really folks.
• 8:23
  Speaker 3: It's not a great movie, but if you want a taste for rescue swimmers, there is a movie out there with some big names called the Guardian.
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: It's got Kevin Costner and Ashton Kutcher in it and it'll give you a little taste of what rescue swimmers are capable of.
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: But these folks are trained to jump into the worst of conditions, literally.
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: Think off the coast of Alaska, think, you know, off the coast of California and Florida, and obviously, in situations like this, to jump in.
• 8:50
  Speaker 3: And not only are they unbelievably talented, skilled and strong swimmers, um, they're scuba capable, they're medic capable, Um, they, they have tons and tons of training I think their training pipelines over a year, um, just to get certified right and a high, high breakout rate.
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: Um, so this guy was stationed in corporate Corpus Christi, uh, and you know this was his very first operation rescue.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think I realized that part of it.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: So 165 rescues.
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: Right, there are divers, there are rescue swimmers who will not get 10 rescues in their career, will not get 15 or 20, depending on how long they stay in.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: So this guy is 165 on his first go, plus he triaged and treated 230 total people because he was the only medical manager on site, so when he wasn't in the water he was doing medic duties on top of it to save all of these people.
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately and I really believe that an exception should be made the Coast Guard does have a Medal of Honor as a service branch.
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: There's only been one Coast Guardsman who's ever been awarded it.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: But the problem is is that Medal of Honor is traditionally for actions in combat?
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: But the problem is is that Medal of Honor is traditionally for actions in combat?
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: Well, they need to create something.
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: They have another.
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: You know top tier, you know award, but I think for the Coast Guard, because of what they do, you know this guy, this is unbelievable.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: If there's anybody that deserves a Medal of Honor, this is this guy.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: This is unbelievable.
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: If there's anybody that deserves a medal of honor, this is the guy right.
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, my goodness, and I think there needs to be some sort of adjustment made.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe just within the Coast Guard or something, but unbelievable what this guy did and good on him.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: I mean really really good on him, 26 years old.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, unreal, wow Talk about being made for such a time as this he was perfect guy, perfect place, perfect yes, yep, wow yeah.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: And, um, yeah, I'm so, I'm so glad to see him getting the, the acknowledgement.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: And, you know, like every, every true hero, it's probably, you know, horrifying to him to be singled out like that.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: He probably would say he's just doing his job, you know, and God, god, love him for that too.
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: You know I saw an interview with a couple of other rescue divers, some some local folks who got in, maybe, you know, after he did, or maybe in different locations, and what you don't think about, um, with this is and let's just talk, unfortunately, about Camp Mystic, which is one of the things everyone's talking about.
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: And let's just talk, unfortunately, about Camp Mystic, which is one of the things everyone's talking about.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: Camp Mystic is a kid's camp and you know it's been around for a very, very long time.
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: In fact it's got a tie to the Bush family.
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw that or not.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: I knew there were a lot of different ties.
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I didn't realize that one.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: So President Bush, uh, his wife was a counselor there.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, when she was younger and is Jenna the blonde, is she?
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: the one that's on TV, their daughter, yes, so because mom had been a counselor there, they had sent in years past their two kids to that camp, right.
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: So this camp's been around for a long time.
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: It's, it's well-known, it's well-respected, um, respected, but that that camp was in the middle of this, you know there are some horrifying stories.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: You know the counselors there were a total of 27 campers and counselors, including the director himself was were killed during this and the director was killed, notably trying to save and protect kids, notably trying to save and protect kids, and and so.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: But going back to the rescue divers, you know those folks are going in the water and and now that it's been a day, or three, or four, they're.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: This is not, this is not rescue anymore, this is recovery.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: So, unfortunately, what those folks are going to go into is some very dirty, muddy water and they're going in to find people that are deceased and probably not in great shape.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: So you know there's a flip side, a gut, very gut wrenching side to that heroic effort by, you know, petty Officer Ruskin from the Coast Guard is that you know there's, there is obviously the awful stuff that comes with it.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's going to be a huge emotional toll, toll to be paying for for those efforts and, and you know, I hope they get the, the, the love and the care and the respect and you know, everything that they, they need, they will be needing from, from this kind of experience.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's devastating.
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: I can't, you know, I watched the video, I watched the news, I watched the stories and I can't you know you, we can't, you just can't truly wrap your brain around it.
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you think you can, you think you can imagine it.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: You cry, it breaks your heart, all of the things.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: But to, to live it and experience it as is something completely other.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: And I and I think that's why, for myself and, of course, for you and so many others who actually have compassionate bones in their bodies, are so appalled and disgusted by the behaviors and comments and sentiments of, you know, just random people on the Internet who forget, you know, their humanity.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: And just you know the stupidity, just the stupid things, just you know the stupidity, just the stupid things.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: You know celebrities are probably my absolute favorite for saying incredibly stupid, ignorant things and just parroting nonsense that they hear.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: And you know your perfect example, and yes, I have.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, guys, it's you're going to hate me for putting this up here, but you know this is representative of the idiocy.
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: Here it is and what a horror story in Texas.
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: The flash floods in Texas, the Guadalupe River 51 missing, 51 dead, more missing children at a camp.
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: And you know when the president guts all of the early warning systems and the weathering forecast abilities of the government.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to stop for a second.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: You know, if she had just stopped, if she had just stopped at the and of course this was earlier on, obviously those numbers went up since she had posted this video right up on her face like that If she had just stopped at acknowledging the tragedy?
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: But then where does she have to go?
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Right away from her little safe space in Ireland, cause she couldn't bear to live here under president Trump.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: But she can't help but weigh in on this stuff.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: This is exactly where she goes.
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: These are the results that we're going to start to see on a daily basis, because he's put this country in so much danger by his horrible, horrible decisions and this ridiculously immoral bill that he just signed into law.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: As Republicans cheered as Republicans cheered.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: People will die as a result, and they've started already.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know way to not only just politicize a weather event tragedy, but to do so so utterly and completely, 100% incorrectly.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: And you know, as always, the thing that yanks my chain is that there's not, she'll never backpedal.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: She'll never come back out and say I was wrong, I apologize.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: You know, she had her moment, she had her little, her little dramatic statement there.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: And this is what these people do, and they spread these lies and false information.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: And the problem with that, you know, and I know a lot of people will say well, who listens to Rosie O'Donnell cares?
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Which is it?
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: The problem is she's like I said, she's parroting what these other people, these mainstream media which, by the way, you may not be listening to what Rosie O'Donnell says, but you're, you can be damn sure that there are a lot of people listening to what the mainstream media says and taking it as truth and then running with it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it's that, um, I don't know.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It's like the bad version of, like the butterfly effect.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: They just keep spreading this garbage, um, did you see clay?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: The other thing, the other one I wanted to touch on on this was the um.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: You know, it brings out all of the things right.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: It brings out the heroes and and the amazing stories of of courage and greatness.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Those are my favorite ones.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Those are the ones I would really prefer to focus on.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Um, it brings out the zeros, like that, that pediatrician, um, who's absolute garbage, and um.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: And it also brings out my other favorite the conspiracy theorists.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And I have a little bit of it in my blood, so I have nothing against it, but sometimes it gets a little carried away, and I think this is one of the cases.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I think this is it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the cloud seeding.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Did you see the people blaming cloud seeding?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen this seeding.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen this.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And listen, there is, I'm a believer that there is some truth to, you know, to cloud seeding, right To generating cloud seeding to generate rain, and I know it's been done in many places, you know, for crops and to prevent drought or to reverse drought and those kinds of and listen, the technology's out there.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Folks, this ain't it Like I?
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I know everybody jumps on these opportunities to say stuff like that because it's, you know, tangentially related.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: But this ain't it Right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: This is, this is not.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: That's not what this is.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And you're right.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: There's different levels of stupid associated with incidences like this.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: One of them is the mainstream media, who is pretending to inform, you know and report, and that's not what they're doing.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: And then you've got the you know the mouths that politicize the Rosie O'Donnell's, the pediatrician.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: There's another one out there who was was a uh, not only I, I don't.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: She said something along the same stupid lines of like you know, this is trump and maga, and blah, blah, blah, totally erroneous, um, and then, when people jumped on her, she doubled down yes, is that the one that was um basically mocking the christian?
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that's a range.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, you're shooting.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: And she's like come at my house, I got something for you, something like that, and it was like so you know, you've got that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: And then you've got this, you've got the conspiracy theorists.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: You know which is a different level.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: You know kind of crazy or stupid that goes along with this stuff.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: So you know, people can't help themselves.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: There is, like you said, there's very, I think, there's a lot of compassion out there.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I just think that in the the moments of quiet, when the compassionate people are doing what they should be doing, you've got the loud mouths who can't help themselves.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: They've got to fill the silence and they fill it with their stupidity and then that's what you get.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: So, no, I, I'm, I'm again.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: That's one of the things I'm not happy about.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Um I I.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: It's horrific that anyone especially since it's been debunked already Right, they've laid out all the timelines of all the warnings.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the National Weather Service, the National Weather Service says they have all the manning, that they need to have Right Reports come out.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: It's all there, the facts are out there, and yet you still have these people who refuse to acknowledge that because they've got political messaging on their mind, right, and it's just sick and it's gross yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah and exactly.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And the fact was is that they had extra staff on hand.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: They were not understaffed, they had extra staff on hand.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Warnings had been going out from 12 hours, I believe, prior to and, of course, all leading up to I think correct me if I'm wrong, clay all leading up to I think correct me if I'm wrong, clay the biggest problem came when those critical, critical warnings like the get the heck out of there.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Now it was like the middle of the night and people were sleeping.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Early morning.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Early morning, early morning and they simply were not awake to hear it, to know, and, um, you know, and there's that sense of disbelief, I think that that happens.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: You know that people are like, oh yeah, oh, we're going to get a lot of rain, it's going to be crazy, let's just, you know, wait it out.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: And um, you know, it's a combination of so many things, but the biggest factor is that timeline.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: You know how quickly that happened and, um, just to quickly go back to that cloud seeding, um, I want to just say two quick things.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, one, I completely agree, guys, I do know I'm not, I'm not disputing that cloud seeding is a thing, it's absolutely a thing.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That's happening.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Um, I, I do not love this idea.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I do not think we should be fooling around with mother nature, um, and trying to basically play mother nature gets, gets a little.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: We start hitting those gray areas.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like that's one of them.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It creeps me out a little bit, um, however, so this is, um, what was reported and you know, I mean, I can't tell you what to do.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Believe it, don't believe it, whatever, um, but this is what they put out.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So they said, yes, rainmaker, which is the cloud seeding company that they were talking about conducted cloud seeding on July 2nd 2025 in South Central Texas.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That was accurate.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That is true it said, but the clouds dissipated that afternoon.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: The July 4 floods killing over 100, were caused by natural heavy rains from tropical storm berries remnants per meteorologists and fact checks.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I know we hate the phrase fact check, it always gives you a little twinge, but you know.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So the claims are.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: The claims are just not, not true.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: You know coincidental, sure, and no, I don't like that word either, but they have timelines here to show.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, they can back up what they said.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: So there's that Again.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I don't dispute that cloud seeding is a thing, certainly not saying that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: But that was not the factor here that caused this to happen.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I think you know going forward, nothing you know other than the heroic actions by Petty Officer.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You know, not a lot of great is going to come out of this Except and you know, folks, if you think I'm saying this too early and maybe we should take a breath, okay, but I think you know the discussion has to be had for facilities like Camp Mystic in their emergency, not in their viability or anything else, but in their emergency response.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: And some of that is regional right.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: You know, if you're, if it's a Midwest, upper Midwest kind of thing, and you're in Tornado Alley, if you've got a camp for kids, you know you're a parent, you should be asking okay, in case of a tornado, what is the crisis action?
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: You know by the camp.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: You know, if you're in on the West coast and you've got something in California, what's the earthquake protocol?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: You know plan camp.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: You know if you're in Florida, the Southeast or even on the Gulf coast, what's the hurricane plan, you know what I mean, like the and those facilities and those camps.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying camp mystic didn't have this Cause, I don't know, but what I'm saying is you, as a parent or any consumer like that, if you're going to go and enjoy those types of events or if you're going to send a family member.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: You should be asking those questions within just common sense, and if you're an owner, operator of one of those facilities, you should be planning these kinds of things, and I know it gets a little cost prohibitive sometimes, but you can't have these kinds of things happen.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that what happened at Camp Mystic was preventable, I have no idea.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: But I think, the grand scheme of things, we collectively need to start taking a better view and a better preparedness posture for things like this, because even if the facility can't prevent it, when Mother Nature votes she votes, and facility can't, you know, prevent it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: You know, if mother, when mother nature votes, she votes, and there's sometimes there's nothing you can do about it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: But if all the precautions aren't being taken, then you should at least raise an eyebrow.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and, as is always the case with tragedies along these lines, you know, they unfortunately become the the learning curve, sadly.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Right, you know, and, and that's you know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So, if, if there is something good, and that's what, that's what you do, I think that's what we do.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: You know the humanity side of us, survival side, you know all of those things.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: That's the side that says okay, so something horrific has happened.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: This is devastating and heartbreaking.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Something horrific has happened.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: This is devastating and heartbreaking.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: What can we do now to prevent that?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: So what can we do to make good come from something so tragic and awful?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Well, we can learn from it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Right, we can do better as far as everything you just said.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So how can we ensure that something like this is, at the very least, less likely to have?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Because that whole area correct me if I'm wrong that whole area is known to be prone to flash flooding like that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean that whole part of Texas, yes, that part of Texas, you know.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: When you go through weeks and months of no rain, you know, and then all of a sudden there's some rain, the ground doesn't just absorb that folks Like.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the ground is so hard and so dry that it can't consume all that rain quickly enough.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't work that way, you know, and, and people who live there know those things, you know you've ever spent any amount of time in Texas, right, you drive around on the roads and there's just this dust on everything and then all of a sudden it rains and it is, it might, it may as well be be ice, all that dirt and oil and everything else on the road, and the water hits it and it becomes slick as all get out.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: So you know those those things, um, you know it, that part of Texas, you're right, is prone to, um, flash flooding, uh, only because they don't get, you know, perpetual rain, as we, you know, kind of do further north of Mason-Dixon.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, you've got to take the precautions, and don't?
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You know what you said about?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: And what I said about learning from this is, you know, it is an absolute tragedy that this happened and the loss of life is horrific and we all hate it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Do not look past it and if we're going to make that anything good come out of that loss of life, it's to prevent it from happening again in another way.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: So learn the lessons, apply what we know and make sure that we're not having to do this again at another location, in another place, because somebody didn't pay attention.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, absolutely, our hearts and prayers absolutely go out to everyone affected by that and to the rescuers out there and just just working tirelessly to, you know, hopefully find as many survivors as possible, and you know, and the recovery efforts obviously as well.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I again, I think I'm echoing you, clay.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a whole heck of a lot more to be said on it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I mean it, it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I don't mean it is what it is, but I know, you know what I mean.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Guys, at the moment, this is, this is what we have on that Moving on, we've got this.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: This is like a, this is such a you know, wah, wah, wah wah moment, except not in a funny, amusing way.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: So many feelings on this.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I just, at this point, I don't even.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say at this point.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Like we know, we all know, everybody knows he didn't hang himself.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: There's just I'm sorry, you will never convince the majority of the world, because why, if he was innocent, if there's no list, no list why is a multimillionaire I've heard billionaire, I don't know if that's accurate, but at least a multimillionaire?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Owned an island, right?
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: What yeah he owned?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: an island.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So billionaire is probably not too far off.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, billionaire is probably accurate.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: So that answer, that conclusion, only gives more questions and they have to have known that.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But my impression here, clay, and you tell me what you think is that they are closing the conversation on that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: They are done talking about it and I think that is going to be the continuing response that we have concluded our investigation on this, we're done talking about it and that's that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people are not happy.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said at the top of the show that there are some things that I am upset about and this is really really high on the list and I'm going to apologize to everybody before I get started.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: This, you know, with the Attorney General Bondi coming forward and saying there is no list on top of the Patel Bongino, he didn't kill himself when President Trump ran his campaign.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Two of the things specifically, well, specifically, the one thing that he talked about was Epstein files would be released and the list would be released and there would be full transparency and we would know everything.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Right, yep, now, now he didn't kill.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Now he, now he did kill himself.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: On a tape that no list, on a tape that is suspect, on a good day, there's now no list.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And we have been, literally, we have been talking about a list of clients for years, years, people, and now all of a sudden, oh, we never said there was a list.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: We said there was a file, right, and that was the Bondi position, which is total bullshit, I'm sorry folks.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: And then you've got the White House press secretary, you know, staying on message and saying, oh well, what she said was that it's on my desk.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: She didn't say, you know, because Ducey called her out.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw that or not.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: So Peter Ducey God love him for being an honest attempt at being a journalist, right, playing both sides Said listen, you know, she said there was a list.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, the press secretary said no, no, what she said was it was on her desk and what she was talking about was the whole file, not a list.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Specifically, we've been saying list, everybody has been saying list, for years, years, and now there's no list, right, we didn't say file, nobody was saying the Epstein file, nobody was saying you know that anything but they were list was the word.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: And now, all of a sudden, there's no list.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: And you know, ghislaine Maxwell is still in jail, right, she's going to get released based on that based on that right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: So if there's no clients, then she didn't traffic anybody.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Right, which we've got victims out there who have raised their hand.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: We know prince andrew was on the island.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Right, the royal family has ostracized that guy.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: He's done that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Guy's living in a hut somewhere because they don't want.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: He is kryptonite.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: They don't go anywhere near him.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Right, we know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: We know there were people down there.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: We know there were people of power down there.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Right, we know that there are victims that have testified.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail right now for trafficking.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: We, we all know this.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And the fact that they're telling us that this doesn't exist now, after all these years, this is the Democrat playbook.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry folks, oh no, this is total.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: You know they're treating us like we're idiots.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: They really are.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm telling you, the biggest disappointment in this whole thing was President Trump the other day.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Sorry folks, I know everybody's a fan, but when he said oh, you're still talking about Epstein, we're still talking about this guy.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Have people been talking about this guy for years?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: You ran your campaign on this right not so many months ago that guy's a monster, I I am.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: so patel bongino, um bondi, it's all crap all it is, and I hope, I really, really hope someone investigates them.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I really do, because this is dishonest.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: There is something highly illegal going on when it comes to this, and they can come knock on my front door.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I really don't care, but this is garbage people.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: We're all being lied to, period.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And the reality of it is, and I'm pretty sure we all, I think everybody realizes, I think everybody knows what this actually comes down to, which is that there are some unbelievably wealthy, powerful people who are running the show, and it's not our elected officials.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Nope, and um well it might be.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Some of them might be our elected.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them certainly might be.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, um, but overall they are protecting people who basically said this is not going to ever come out, period, end of story.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: And they said yes, sir, yes, ma'am, we will toe the line, no matter what the cost.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And that tells you that actually you know to some level.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: That is, we should all be kind of frightened by that that anyone can have that level of power and control.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Um, because you are silencing, you're silencing the people who are supposed to be the biggest players.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: You know the most, they are supposed to be the most powerful people in the world and you know they are just more puppets.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Um, it it's, you know, disappointing is the understatement of the year, isn't it?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's, it's, um, it's just disheartening because they're, they're, they're getting away with it and I don't think that's going to change.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: None of this will come out until all of these people are buried in their graves.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And we won't live to see Most of us will not live to see these names and the truth come out.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And you know, and here's where I'm honestly torn, and I think some people are going to be mad at me, some people are going to be disappointed in me for saying this bank on.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: By the way, you know, we use the term fatigue, this and that fatigue, and that is what they're banking on.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And I am intelligent enough to be aware that their tactic is working to a degree on me where I feel this fatigue over the whole thing and I'm like all right, you know what, if this isn't going to happen, if you're not going to hold these people accountable, if they're not going to see their day, you know, if the powers that be are that strong, then I mean, I don't know, I guess we can keep beating our heads against this brick wall or we can focus on criminals and crimes that we can actually lock people up for.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And you know, and I'm not saying that that is the right take to have on this by any means, and you know, and I'm not saying that that is the right take to have on this by any means, it's just the frustration and fatigue that, like I can't let my brain stay in that, in that zone, because it, like you Clay, it makes me like shaking, angry, like you know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I get so angry that you're shaking, the adrenaline makes you shake from it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: It's like that shake from it, it's like that, it's, it's the the, the rage on the behalf of these victims because, by the way, they're, they're children, you know, and that's the thing that really makes you lose your mind.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Or they were children, uh, when this was all happening, and their lives are destroyed.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And now they're put back in that position of almost being, you know, invisible, like they're just getting erased, you know, invisible, like they're just getting erased, you know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it didn't happen.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: No list, no clients, no, nothing to see here.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Move on.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I know we're just echoing that the anger and frustrations that you guys are all feeling as well about this.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: The problem, though, elsa, is that people are there, are people that are defending this.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, people there are there, are, you know, trump, maga, acolyte, like you know, diehard followers and say, well, the president says so.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: If the president trusts Pam Bondi, I trust the president, and if she says there's no list, then there's no list, says there's no list, then there's no list.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And you know I, I can't that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Everybody who voted for president Trump railed, just railed on the entire Biden administration for doing exactly the same thing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Right, they all went along with what president Biden said.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: They all went along with what Soros paid for.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: They all went along with all of it, and the entire election was over the fact that you had distrust, dishonesty, you had lying within the government, being protected by the government, and President Trump won the election to try to avoid that from continuing to happen, and now that's exactly what we have happening.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Happening, and it's just.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: You know, there are people who are literally out there going oh well, then there must not be a list, if you know, if Pam Bondi says there's no list and President Trump says there's no list and we should stop talking about Epstein, then we should probably do it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's a little crazy and I see some of the you know, the big name pundits toeing the line here and doing that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Right, right, and and that that says a lot right there about you.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Know, to answer the question of is there a club, like, is there a club that they're all part of?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the answer on that is yes, there is.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there absolutely is.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: And and I have never been more proud and happy to not be in a club I, you know, this is one of those many, many times that I've had during the course of this, this podcasting, social media journey.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Somebody just asked me today if I had.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: They didn't mean it in an insulting way, but they asked if I had any clout as in, like, do I have any connections to any political figures and you know, or media figures or any of those things?
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And I said not a damn one.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And I am so proud of that I, that is, that is a badge of honor.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Uh, to me, I don't want to be part of that world.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I am thrilled to be, and I'm grateful to be, an absolute outsider, and that's where I have every intention of staying.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Um, because that is a dirty ugly world.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And you know, yeah, yeah, I'm glad to not be part of the club, the cool kids club, because this is what's expected of you Now.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Here's your script, here's what everybody's going to say now, and you keep saying that until more people say it, because you have influence.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, yeah, it's disappointing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I still love Trump.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: I do believe that this is something so much bigger than any of us can possibly fathom.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't even know what to do anymore with this.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: What do you do with this anymore?
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I love the fact there are people that aren't going to give up.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I do know that there are people who who will now make this their life's mission, to get some type of truth and justice out of this.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I just I hope they're, I hope they're not in the hamster wheel wasting their time.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think these are the things.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: The habitual argument has been, or the discussion has been, that when the left loses or they get outmaneuvered, they get violent right.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I've seen that time and time again.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: We've seen it in the, you know, in the protests that become riots, and then you know it's burning down cities and it's attacking ICE agents, which happened this week twice.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: You know, and they do.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: That's their response.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: And the conservative side says you know, it's kind of funny because we're the ones who legally own all the guns and we're the ones who are not the violent side.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: But these are the kinds of things that that will raise the level of frustration to the point of violence.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but there are enough people that will be upset about this to such a degree that it would not surprise me if there was some sort of, you know, unwarranted well, unwarranted is probably not even the right word, but you know some sort of violent response to this in some way, shape or form.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: It feels like the biggest con job ever, yeah, yeah.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Well, this actually leads unintentionally, believe it or not, guys, this leads actually right into this question Is this going to be?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Is this going to be the answer?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: For some people, could this have been, or could this be, the thing that pushes people to say you know what?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I am done with the Democrats, I am done with the Republicans, it's time for something new.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I am done with the Republicans, it's time for something new.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: And you know, in my before this literal conversation right this minute, I was so dismissive of Elon Musk's what's he called the American Party, the American Party.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I was so dismissive of this because I thought it was absurd and obnoxious and ridiculous and reactive, which it's, all of those things.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: However, this whole Epstein thing and the disappointment, the profound disappointment, of where this went and where it ended up, could be the very thing that adds fuel to Elon's plan here.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's a good plan.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a good plan, I'm not saying it's the right plan, I'm just saying it's.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: It's something that could absolutely push people in this direction.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: You know who are just sick and tired of all of them.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You know this, this one big club again, I'll use that phrase Um, you know, this kind of proves that they really truly are all in it together, right?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Or at least it certainly feels that way.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this, this, you know this.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Third, you and I have talked third party politics 20 times.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: You know whether it's Ross Perot or if it's, you know, RFK Jr on national level elections.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: But I saw a new perspective today and it actually came from Musk One.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Listen, folks, politics is expensive, very, very expensive.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: That's why things like big pharma get things done in their favors, because they have money to lobby and truthfully to buy off, to buy votes within Congress.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And listen, they're not the only ones.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: The pro-abortion lobby, the pro-life lobby, the gun pro-gun, anti-gun right, it's all the lobbying, is all part of it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: But really politics is expensive.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: When was the last time a poor person became president of the United States, right?
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: What was the?
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: last like even if president of the United States Right, what was the last?
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Even if you say Obama, I disagree with you.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: But you go back and look at how much money the democratic party, the DNC, dumped into getting him elected.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, people without money don't get elected.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Musk is like the guy who can do this because he is willing to I think in most cases, put up his own cash to fund this.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: So that's part of it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: There's some reality to this because of his financial ability.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Now, the thing that I hadn't thought of in all the discussions that you and I've had and I've had with other people is Musk is not looking at this point to change or even put a third party candidate in for president.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: That's not where he is focused.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: He is focused on congressional seats, because if you look at Congress right now both the House and the Senate it's a razor thin margin between the two parties.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: And what he said in the you know the kind of announcement of all this is.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: You know and it was in response to the you know, one big, beautiful bill getting passed was if you put a third party in there a viable third party and they hold, say, you know, six or seven seats in the Senate and they hold 25 seats in the house.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: They are the swing vote and they hold all the power.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Right, you don't have to be right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: You can affect the majority, you can be the ones who make the majority by only having a few people, because the margin is so thin.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: And that's what he's aiming at.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I think he really is aiming at backing enough moderates to get those kinds of seats across Congress, because then it changes what laws are passed and how it's not.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: You can't go party line anymore.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: You can't, which, again, I am all for Um, but I think affecting the white house is a totally different matter.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that that's what he is aiming for.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So, um, third party politics below the the you know the the white house, I think, is a is definitely a new discussion and one that has some teeth right now, in light of everything that's going on.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I think this definitely lights a more fire underneath anyone who considering this as a potential viable option or idea.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: You know Elon Musk, I I have never been an actual fan of his by any means.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I I have consistently said I appreciate the role he has played, um to serve purposes that have been beneficial, uh for us as a country, uh, for social media as a platform, uh, all of that stuff that does not coincide with trusting him, or, you know, I mean really anyone in power, and nor should anybody have that high level of trust in them.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: You know, your trust is you trust them as much as you need them.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Basically, I think is kind of what it comes down to, right, but either way, it's obviously something we have to keep watching.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I think that is going to develop, probably very rapidly.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I think you know he's already declared that it's a thing for him to backpedal now to say, ok, never mind, I'm not going to do it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to happen, you know, at least not anytime soon.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: There's egos involved, so we'll see what direction that takes and let's you know, all I can do at the moment is just hope that it is something that actually ends up being beneficial to the American people.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Um, in some way or other and there's plenty of people that that you know do feel that, that it does have that potential to do that.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: So, um, jury's out for me.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Jerry's out for me too, but I think in the context of what he's talking about, it makes it much more viable than trying to White House.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: So you know, it's a, it's a smarter approach and I think it has a much.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: It's not a high chance of being successful, but it is a higher chance of being successful because he's not aiming for the White House, which is right.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: So yes, very smart, but very smart talking about egos egos whether or not president Trump, do you think he's going to win a Nobel prize?
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Is this like the third or fourth time?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: I thought I thought the same thing, but if you go back, and you go back into his previous administration, right, this is like the 12th time he has been.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: He has had about 12 nominations give or take for a Nobel Prize.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Wow, this one you've got the latest one.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Folks is President or Prime Minister, whatever he is.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Netanyahu Bibi handed him a piece of paper and said hey, I'm nominating you for a Nobel Prize, right?
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Netanyahu Bibi handed him a piece of paper and said, hey, I'm nominating you for a Nobel Prize, right.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: And Trump was very, you know, gracious and those sorts of things.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Now, he hasn't been so gracious in the past about the Nobel Prize.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: He has made statements, like you know, they gave it to Obama for nothing.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: You know Obama, you know, talked about how good he was at bombing people with drones and they still gave him a Nobel Prize.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: And I, you know, I did this and I did that and I still won't get a Nobel prize.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: And there's some truth to that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: But again, you know, he's not the most, he doesn't have the most humility, but yeah, so Pakistan nominated him last month.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: US representative, carter Carter, daryl Issa, have all nominated him within the last six or seven months and going again, going back, I think the number is somewhere in the 10 to 12 range of total nominations.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, that he has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, but I don't think he's going to get it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably will not.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I personally believe that he does deserve it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, will he get it?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: I have to agree with him he said that as well, of course that he probably would not get it, and that is probably true.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I do think he deserves it.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: But you know, the flip side of that is, at this point, I mean, how much do we care about these things you know, any more, like prizes, awards, all this stuff, like you know, and I know, this is like the top of the top.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: But you know, in the general sense and maybe this is my, here's the fatigue word again my Hollywood fatigue and celebrity fatigue and the yay me fatigue.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I am, I am so tired of all of that kind of stuff and when it comes down to it, it's they're just trivial things, like like all that should be mattering is you know what you're actually doing and not the.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know the accolades for it, which are nice.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong, I love a pat on the back, I love compliments.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I love compliments.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: You know that make me awkward and uncomfortable, but I still love them, secretly uncomfortable, but I still love them secretly Not so secretly, but I don't know like how much when you know, you know, to, to kind of echo Trump.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: You know, when Obama got it for basically nothing, um, how much weight does this actually hold in anybody's minds, you know?
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: I might.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Am I wrong?
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Play, what do you think?
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, you can go into the comparatives and that's the problem.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Right, there's been a low bar set, and so what people will will say is well, he got it, why shouldn't so-and-so get it?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Or why don't I, why don't I have it?
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: And and there's been mistakes made.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: But I, I think you know the Nobel committee.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: When you guys start getting into science and research and those kinds of things, that's a little bit different.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Yes, the peace prize seems and those kinds of things, that's a little bit different.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Peace Prize seems to be a very arbitrary popularity contest.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: It probably needs to go away because it's been stained and soiled over the years so many times that I think it's largely irrelevant.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, do I think he'll win it?
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: No, do I think he'll keep getting nominated?
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, some people are speculating.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Why did Netanyahu do it?
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Why, you know, is it is it a bribe Like?
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Is he trying to stay in Trump's good graces?
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Is it payment for something?
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Was there an agreement made?
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: You know, hey, you know you guys got to hit Iran.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: We can't really hit it again, but if you do it and you pull it off, I'll nominate you for a Nobel.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Like so.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: So again it goes back to the big club theory.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Right, new world order, right.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: But I, I think, regardless of of all else, I don't think he's going to get it anyway.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I, I don't, no one, no one in any kind of liberal mindset anywhere in the world, uh, is willing to give him anything, right?
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't give my hostessess cupcake.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: No, they would not.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: They would not, nope, no, absolutely.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've proven that time and again that there is absolutely nothing he can do.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: No good deed, no amazing act, nothing that he can do that will make them.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: You know, give him that cake, right Cupcake.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: He could cure cancer and they would say, well, he took away Medicaid, so it really doesn't matter, people will be able to afford the cure.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Like they would find a reason.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: It's the floods, it's the same thing.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: They'll find a reason to blame him, to not give him credit and all of those things.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: So, regardless of how many nominations it's been or it will be, he's not going to.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: It's not happening.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am of the same mindset.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I do hope it for his sake, you know, just because it's.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: You know, there's obviously some, some swagger to that, you know still, but yeah, it's probably not going to happen, but I would be OK with being wrong there is.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: There's a few things that I would be OK with being wrong with.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: One thing I am not wrong about is our, our last and final lighthearted topic, which is I don't know if lighthearted is is necessarily the right term.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: You guys can maybe come up with something right Laughable laughable, laughable, I like.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is laughable because if you don't, if you don't laugh, you'll throat punch somebody, right?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: So here it is.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Clay tasked me with with picking out this one, and this was it for me.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: This was the.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: You know, rip my hat off my head, throw it on the floor, shake my head and go what?
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Wait what?
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Shake my head and go what.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Wait what?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: This is?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: This is just for the people who are listening and not watching.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: I've just thrown up a picture.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It's a screenshot from a tweet, I think from Variety, and it says James Gunn says he's the, I guess director.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: He is the director yes, okay, thank you.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: James Gunn says Superman is about an immigrant that came from other places and how we've lost the value of basic human kindness.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: And he also said, yes, it's about politics.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: So get ready, guys, the new Superman movie, with a new Superman guy playing.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: It is about politics.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: It's about an immigrant who came to this country.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Are they trying to kill these franchises?
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Is that the actual goal?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Do they really hate these franchises so much that they have to just grind them into the ground?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: It is so ridiculous and I have.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I have some points here and I wrote them down.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Guys, you can bear with me because I want to read episode.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I have a word of the episode, and it's fatigue.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: This time today it's all about fatigue.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: It is yet another $200 million blockbuster, reprogrammed to push guilt trips instead of grit.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Will patriotic audiences this is the question, of course will patriotic audiences finally say no, thank you at the box office?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: And I think that is absolutely the case.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: These movies are tanking.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Snow White is just right off the top of my head, an example.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I think some of the Marvel flicks have tanked as well, which is such a.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I became a Marvel fan after marrying my geek husband who loved Marvel and all of that stuff.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: So we would go see every single one of those movies the minute it came out and I fell in love with them and I enjoyed it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, what happened?
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: They went ridiculously woke and, you know, just changed these characters from the essence and core of who they are and what they represent and all of that stuff.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's so crazy to me because the irony here is that this James Gunn and all of these people live behind their their, you know, their gated communities and their walls and their wealth and all those things, and they're completely out of touch with the real world.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: And you know to to call Superman and OK, so go with me on this, guys, because I am aware that we are talking about a fictional character, but if we can just go into pretend world for a minute, let's be real here.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Superman came from another well, not country, but another world, another realm, I don't know.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Right, planet, yeah, another planet.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you Marvel, not DC, I don't know what to tell you and he came here and he moved in, he was adopted by a Kansas family, right, kansas couple, and he did this crazy thing that all legal immigrants did and they assimilated to this country.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: He didn't try and destroy it, didn't trash it, didn't tell everybody that it's the suckiest place in the world and they should change it to be more like his planet.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: He came here to make it a better place.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: So, and that is what the immigrants of my, my growing up, my lifetime have always been, they came here legally, they worked their butts off, they fought for the American dream.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: They believed in the American dream.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: They fought to have that for themselves and their lives and they loved this country, um, if not as much as their, their natural, their born country, um as much they.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: They loved it here so much and wanted to become part of it, not change it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Superman did the same thing.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: So to compare Superman with illegal immigrants who are here waving the flags of their country and being mad that they're getting deported for being here illegally not the same thing, bud.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Not the same thing at all.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: And James Gunn, you absolute twit for trying to make that comparison.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Congratulations on trashing yet another franchise and flushing it right down the tubes.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: And that's my rant on that.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: And you know, as you guys can see, I'm laughing about it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not really.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not mad at all.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: It's just too stupid to actually get mad about.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: It's laughable.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: It's laughable because you, you mentioned Snow White, right?
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: Snow White tanked because the young lady who starred in that movie don't even remember her name, was adamant and very political and really snotty about everything.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: And, and you know, if you look at at Disney cause that's really what this is, right, she's, you know, right in line with all of all of the Disney stuff, except for the fact that there's been this ongoing and growing backlash against Disney and its woke ism for the last few years.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Right, so right on time, this girl steps in, opens her mouth and seals the deal to destroy her own movie.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the superhero movies are on the same thing.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: They're all on the downturn, right?
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Everybody's worn out that the storyteller, as a guy who tells stories for a living, right as a fiction writer.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I will tell you all of this multiverse stuff which now they've got both in Marvel and in DC, and all the comic is lazy storytelling.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Nobody ever stays dead in comic books anymore, except for Spider-Man's Uncle Ben.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: He's the only one that's dead forever.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Everybody else comes back to life somehow and they keep re-imagining.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: And it's a new thing, thing, and it's a retelling of this basic story.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is the fourth or fifth time that the Superman story has been told.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: And now what you've got is superhero fatigue I'll steal your word, right, Superhero movie fatigue.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: And then you've got a director who basically says this is about politics.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: He actually used the words jerks and screw them in an interview, talking about potential audience.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: And so feel free to follow in the footsteps of Snow White, right, Stick your foot in your mouth and take your movie before it even starts.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: So you know.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: And Kellyanne Conway, you know, came out.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: They were talking about this.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: She was on, I think, the five or something, and she said nobody wants to go to a movie to be lectured to anymore.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: And she's right.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: And she listened.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: She took a lot of crap for that, but she's right.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Like we're all at the point now.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: I just want entertainment and if you tell me before I even go to the movie that it's about politics, I'm not going.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly Like.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I'm already out.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you for letting me know, thanks for saving me that, whatever it is, 18, 20 bucks now right.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: You're better off pulling the bait and switch right and like letting me get in there and find out halfway through that it's about politics.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Then I'll be pissed afterwards.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Now I'm just not going to spend the money and I think you're going to see a lot of that, and I think you're going to see disappointing performance at the box office from yet another dum-dum who decided to, you know, read the room right and and just let things go.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: And on top of it, to make it even worse, his brother.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: He casts his brother in all his movies.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: And if you're a marvel, right.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: If you're a marvel fan, yeah, james gunn did the um guardians of the galaxy movies right, right, yes, and his brother is one of the um ravagers, ravagers okay, okay, right yeah so he's one of those guys.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: He even he's in this movie too.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: He came out at the one of the uh premiere events and basically echoed everything that his brother said.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: So you know, they're all in it together and they're going to tank this movie yeah, together, because it's going to be a mess and you know it's laughable and it is, folks, that's what we're ending with.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: We're it is because you know what I'm, I'm you know what, I'm patient.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I am a you know well.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm technically not really, but I can be in something like this.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I guess, when I care less, I can be pretty patient.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: But you know, these, these comics, these movies have, like you said, they just recirculate them, they reimagine them every couple few years, they start all over again and that shift happens when they wake up and they realize, oh, oh, these aren't making money because nobody wants to see this kind of garbage.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: They will go back to the original concepts and ideas and it will be wonderful again and we will, I will say, take my money.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Here it is.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I will come and watch every single one, one after another, and love them to pieces.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Just, you know, that's the thing about you know these, these, these storylines, people actually love the familiarity of them.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: They don't want you changing it.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I think in this one, I think I read somewhere that, like he didn't even bother with any backstory, nothing.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: They just plot these characters right dead center of the storyline that he created and just ran with it.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So there's no backstory.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I think him and Lois Lane are already a couple.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: It's just like bam, oh, okay, we're in the middle of the story already.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, so save your money, guys.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Can we have Christopher Reeve back, please?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Can we just-.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: All I know is this movie has the dog super is in the movie.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: It's never been done in a Superman movie before.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: So I think that was their, their, their attempt at bringing something new.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: But you know, look, folks, regardless of all that it's, it is laughable because they're trying to convince everybody to see these movies and uh, and then they're shooting themselves in the foot at the same time.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: So see it if you want.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe let us know, maybe you go see it and you think it's awesome and maybe the politics aren't as overt as James Gunn would have you believe.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: But I would be interested in a review from one of our viewers, fans, listeners, and not from some crap you know crack guy in Hollywood that's going to tell you what the studios want you to hear.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: So I think that's it, I think we's it, I think we hit them all.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: That is it.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: That is the end of the thing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: So listen, guys, next week is kind of up in the air.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I think my daughter is expecting any time now my fourth kid, grandbaby number four.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: That baby's going to be here next week, no matter what that is.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: Her due date is the 18th.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: My flight is scheduled for the 17th.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Cutting it close.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: All her babies have been late.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Clay and I were talking about this before.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: All her babies have been late.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: This one seems to be on track to be late as well, but you never know.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: So we will see.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: It's up in the air.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: So I'm so excited.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I am no less excited for grandbaby number four as I was for one, two or three.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So I am so excited I can't wait to hold the teeny, tiny little thing.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: That's all I got.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Clay, you close them out.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Hey, folks, keep moving, keep shooting.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: Second edition is out, it's available.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: It's in the wild.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I know people that have gotten a copy already, so if you haven't gotten it off of Amazon, go check it out Again.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: That's the second edition, and I am going to do one of my most favoritest things this coming weekend and I'm going back to jump out of an airplane in Florida, weather permitting.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens, but that is my plan for the weekend, which I can't wait to do, and amongst many, many other busy things I got going on.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: So, check out the book, folks.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: It's out there.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: The sequel's coming soon, cross the Bear.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: So keep that on your radar screen and until then, from me, keep moving, keep shooting.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Take care, guys, we'll see you in the next one.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Prepare for the re-release of Clay's electrifying novel Keep Moving, Keep Shooting.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: This is book one in his gripping Cross, the Bear series Experience.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back.