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How to STOP Feminists from Beating Men on Men’s Issues (Whatever Podcast Breakdown) · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome Honi Badge Radio. My name is Brian Alton.
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  Speaker 1: This is now we're going to get into the same
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  Speaker 1: podcast episode, but we're going to actually like look at
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  Speaker 1: the actual arguments before things, you know, just turned into
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  Speaker 1: whatever podcast attacks.
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  Speaker 2: The whatever podcast Team Charlie versus team Andrew. That's what
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at. Yeah, and yeah, we're gonna We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: get into the meat of the arguments as it were
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  Speaker 2: last time we covered the viral insults or the insults
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  Speaker 2: that went viral. I apologize. For some reason, Voidcat just
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  Speaker 2: really loves me today, probably because she wants another can
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  Speaker 2: of food, which she is not getting. You are not
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  Speaker 2: getting another can of food, no matter how much you
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  Speaker 2: beg So we're going back to that podcast and we're
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  Speaker 2: pulling out the arguments as they were. In some cases,
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  Speaker 2: we're sort of reconstructing it from I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of noise. And I'm not saying that the noise is
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  Speaker 2: coming from Andrew, but it is coming from somebody on
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  Speaker 2: that panel. So we went I went back through and
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  Speaker 2: I basically, you know, Andrew would make a point and
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  Speaker 2: I would find where Charlie actually addressed that point. And
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  Speaker 2: then if Andrew came back with something further, So that's
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  Speaker 2: that's where we're at. We're reconstructing the meat of the
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  Speaker 2: arguments from that panel so we can look at them,
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  Speaker 2: we can ascertain who actually won the point, and we're
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  Speaker 2: not just gonna look at it from a logical perspective,
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  Speaker 2: because these debates take place on another level entirely, which
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  Speaker 2: is establishing and maintaining frame. So there, from what my
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  Speaker 2: analysis looking at this, I see three distinct frames. There
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  Speaker 2: is Andrew's conservative frame. I know he probably wouldn't identify
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  Speaker 2: as a conservative, maybe a palaeo traditionalist, but it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of it's a frame where you want the particular role
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  Speaker 2: or the particular expectations of men to be recognized, that
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  Speaker 2: men live up to them then and men also gain
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  Speaker 2: worth through living up to those expectations. It's more of
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  Speaker 2: it's a framework around manhood and expectations of men. Correct
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  Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, but that's what I see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Brian, Please correct me if I'm wrong. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I see a lot of traditionalist focus on, is
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  Speaker 2: that there is this frame work that men need to
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  Speaker 2: live up to and that they should be acknowledged as
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  Speaker 2: having worth. If they do, but many traditionalists don't acknowledge
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  Speaker 2: that men have worth in and of themselves, or that
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  Speaker 2: necessarily they have particular abilities and skills that lead to
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  Speaker 2: being able to live up to these standards that women
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  Speaker 2: may not have. So it's more like you live up
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  Speaker 2: to this standard because otherwise you are expendable. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying that Andrew completely buys into that framework, but I
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  Speaker 2: think he's coming more from that traditionalist approach to manhood.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's Charlie framework, and Charlie's framework is the dominant
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  Speaker 2: framework of our society, and that framework is you want
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  Speaker 2: to establish that men or maintain that men are a
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  Speaker 2: threat to women in society, that men do not offer
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  Speaker 2: anything unique, So you won't even recognize that they're being
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  Speaker 2: held to a higher standard of women, much less the
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  Speaker 2: traditional recognition that they're held to that higher standard and
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  Speaker 2: should be respected and people should be grateful for that.
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  Speaker 2: So you don't even want to do that. You don't
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  Speaker 2: even want to recognize that men are held to a
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  Speaker 2: higher standard, nor do you want to recognize any unique
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  Speaker 2: value proposition that men provide. The societies are part of,
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  Speaker 2: and you want to at every moment neutralize, hide or
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  Speaker 2: minimize any kind of vulnerabilities or sacrifices men make in society.
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  Speaker 2: And that's because Charlie is trying to uphold an ideological
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  Speaker 2: position that societies benefit men asymmetrically at the expense of women.
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  Speaker 2: And in order to uphold that position, you can't talk
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  Speaker 2: about things like maybe unique biological benefits that men give society.
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  Speaker 2: You can't talk about any of the sacrifices that men
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  Speaker 2: endure in order to provide those benefits to society. And
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  Speaker 2: you have to frame men as a threat. So these
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  Speaker 2: are the three frames, and we're gonna go through the
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  Speaker 2: arguments that I reconstructed from that soup. And again I'm
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  Speaker 2: not throwing shade at Andrew. He wasn't the one, you know,
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  Speaker 2: supplying the lukewarm, viscous fluid for most of this that
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  Speaker 2: was coming from other parties. And we're gonna reconstruct it,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna look at it and see if these,
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  Speaker 2: if which frame reigns supreme in each of the arguments.
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  Speaker 2: So that's laying it out there. Did I did I
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  Speaker 2: reveal too much? I don't know, Brian, what do you think? No? Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: So I think I gave a good framework hopefully you
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  Speaker 2: guys understand if you don't just message me, Hey, crazy
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  Speaker 2: autistic lady, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if something happens in the video that yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's your claims, then you can just interrupt and point
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  Speaker 1: it out at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sure, yeah, maybe you should and then we'll Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's get into it. You got all the time
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  Speaker 2: codes run, you got everything ready?
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  Speaker 1: I do? I mean, yeah, what do you want me
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  Speaker 1: to start with?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, shadow the Master says, I think you framed the
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  Speaker 2: frame well, Allison, thank you. I think you framed my
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  Speaker 2: framing of the frame well as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, next, what's the first time code we're doing?
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  Speaker 2: All right, let me just uh okay, so we have
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  Speaker 2: we have a couple in the subject of draft war.
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  Speaker 2: We have the play play one. I did this all
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  Speaker 2: in different I think.
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  Speaker 1: That's most of the discussion because it's ultimately about like
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  Speaker 1: this male disposability or you know, like the difference between
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  Speaker 1: male disposability and female perceived victimhood. I guess mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: So that just something I think about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think one of the like one of
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  Speaker 2: the main ways that I think conserv I'm gonna just
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  Speaker 2: say conservatives. I'm not mean I don't mean all conservatives.
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  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people in this position don't
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  Speaker 2: even identify it.
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  Speaker 1: Claim it's fine, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 2: I think the one of the big differences is that
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  Speaker 2: conservatives do embrace the idea that men are expendable but
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  Speaker 2: should be respected and you know, felt people should feel
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  Speaker 2: grateful for them when they live up to a standard,
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  Speaker 2: Whereas because we focus on ways that men aren't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: living up to a standard, but society is actually failing them,
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  Speaker 2: we are proposing that men have an inherent value and
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  Speaker 2: they should be helped when they have problems, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and society shouldn't make those problems worse. Okay. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that that those two framings are different, and it's
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  Speaker 2: really critical to point that different out because I think
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  Speaker 2: from my perspective, there's a big blind spot that that
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  Speaker 2: conservatives fallen, and that is that men do have value
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  Speaker 2: and they should be supported when they fail to live
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  Speaker 2: even when they fail to live up to the standards
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  Speaker 2: we've set them to, because if we do support them,
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  Speaker 2: they can live up to those standards. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a different framework. And I'm not saying all
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  Speaker 2: conservatives look at the world that way, right, and certainly
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  Speaker 2: they aren't as bad as what the people who are
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  Speaker 2: calling themselves the left, who are basically political tribalists because
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  Speaker 2: they're actively kneecapping men. Let's face it, they're actively like
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  Speaker 2: conservatives are saying, you need to overcome your problems or
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  Speaker 2: you don't have worth. Liberals are like, God, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to give you some more of those their problems men,
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna make them worse. So there's there's you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a difference in in in you know, the worsening
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  Speaker 2: of conservatives versus liberals when it comes to men's rights
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  Speaker 2: and men's issues. Okay, so the place that we have
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  Speaker 2: under draft and war is super soldier frame. But I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that one isn't really good to go into
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  Speaker 2: because it's mostly like me and Brian we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: this mostly like just setting up the background for why
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  Speaker 2: Andrew believes what he believes and why Charlie is sort
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  Speaker 2: of out to lunch, and basically all it is is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, men are stronger, so they make more effective soldiers. However,
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  Speaker 2: I would counter this by saying that if we lived
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  Speaker 2: in a patriarchy that truly put men first and found
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  Speaker 2: them more valuable, then why not just send women to
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  Speaker 2: war because they're expendable and they don't have any social value,
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  Speaker 2: and if both sides, like the two patriarchies on both
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  Speaker 2: sides agree and say, way, way, we much prefer to
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  Speaker 2: save our very valuable and precious sons versus our worthless
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  Speaker 2: and valueless daughters, why don't they just both send women
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  Speaker 2: to fight? And then if women are fighting women, the
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  Speaker 2: strength doesn't matter, you know what I mean? You get
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  Speaker 2: it like that makes perfect sense to me from a
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  Speaker 2: purely uh mechanistic uh society that puts men's benefit before women,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know anyway, but the point is here,
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  Speaker 2: men are physically stronger. So unfortunately, even if the patriarchies
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  Speaker 2: agree to make their their daughters fight it out, at
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  Speaker 2: some point, there will probably be a society that says, hey,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we send our sons instead, and we'll win
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  Speaker 2: and they will, and so that's you know, it's not
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  Speaker 2: really a long term and that's what the basically the
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  Speaker 2: super soldier frame is about. It's just men are stronger,
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  Speaker 2: so they make better soldiers. Okay, No, let's go to
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  Speaker 2: one sex fights, two sex votes, so that supports the
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  Speaker 2: next play, which is one sex fights, two sex of vote,
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  Speaker 2: which is essentially what we've brought up, what I brought
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  Speaker 2: up like decades ago, which is, you are creating a
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  Speaker 2: situation of disadvantage when you have an expectation that one
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  Speaker 2: sex fight, but both sex get to vote. The sex
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  Speaker 2: that has to fight will end up being paying the
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  Speaker 2: cost of the sex that doesn't and their political decisions,
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  Speaker 2: and that immediately creates a second class citizenship among men
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  Speaker 2: with men. All right, let's look at that, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I jumped up to that first time.
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  Speaker 4: Code because they get my hindrance, and so I guess
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  Speaker 4: all I need really need here is just the agreement
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  Speaker 4: that it will always be the case no matter what
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  Speaker 4: that it'll it'll be heavily ninety eight percent or so
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  Speaker 4: of men who will be engaged in frontline combat operations.
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  Speaker 4: If that's the case, then they have the most to
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  Speaker 4: risk when it comes to warfare.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to point something out here. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be it's always going to be like ninety five
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  Speaker 2: nine ninety eight percent men because society. It's not because
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  Speaker 2: men are stronger. Like I'll just peel back to my
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  Speaker 2: suggestion that patriarchy just make women fight and then it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter. You know, women aren't strong as men because
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be finding other women. Yeah, but the
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  Speaker 2: point is that our societies see men. We tolerate men
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  Speaker 2: coming home in body bags more than we do women.
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  Speaker 2: So it's likely that that's the real reason. And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: if you go back to World War two and the
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  Speaker 2: parliamentary discussions on drafting women, not wanting to impose the
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  Speaker 2: hardship of war on women was the actual reason. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: they made a statement saying that yes, they thought that
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  Speaker 2: women could, you know, do what men could do. They
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  Speaker 2: just felt that they shouldn't have to and they certainly
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be compelled to. Right, So it's not it not
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't really come down to strength differential. It really
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  Speaker 2: comes down to social worth. Okay, did you want to
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  Speaker 2: add something to that, Brian?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, where's actually dimorphic species? Men are different, not
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  Speaker 1: just physical but also like we have evolved to be
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  Speaker 1: prepared to make sacrifices if necessary. So I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to live in a world without war. I
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  Speaker 1: mean we're just not so like there's there's just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be hostility. They're just going to be like you know,
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  Speaker 1: like we're we're about to revert to a point where
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be up against the elements again. If
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  Speaker 1: we keep on this trajectory, and when that happened, men
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  Speaker 1: are going to be necessary and they're going to be expendable.
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  Speaker 1: But we're going to be willing to do it because
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  Speaker 1: we want to survive as a species. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think men even have a problem with that really, because
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  Speaker 1: they you know, they want us overall. They want to
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  Speaker 1: secure the future for the human race, and that includes
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  Speaker 1: you know, primarily their own children if they have them,
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  Speaker 1: and their family members. So like accepting that as a
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  Speaker 1: reality isn't necessarily not caring about men. It's understanding that
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  Speaker 1: women can't do what men do, and so we needed
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  Speaker 1: to get done. We can't. We can't expect women to
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  Speaker 1: do it. We just can't. Like that's just you know, insane.
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  Speaker 2: Though. Yeah, I get what you're saying, Okay, finish.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I'm just saying, like, that's just the reality.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's what I think. I don't think generally,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that conservatives are interested in using men
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  Speaker 1: as cannon fodder. I think that they acknowledge that men
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  Speaker 1: are worth something as human beings too, but that the
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  Speaker 1: reality is that you know when sacrifice is necessary, even
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  Speaker 1: though we should be very careful about avoiding it. It's probably, yes,
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  Speaker 1: more tolerable that it happened to men than women or children.
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  Speaker 1: So if it's going to come from somewhere, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I got a super chat, but I'm sorry from shadow shadow.
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  Speaker 1: The Master gave us five dollars Australian and said, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: what is the necklace around your neck? Love you guys? Well,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, shout the master. This is a Crusader cross
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  Speaker 1: or a Jerusalem cross, a fivefold cross. It's a it's
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  Speaker 1: got like a big cross in the middle with four
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  Speaker 1: small crosses around it. It was basically a like a
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  Speaker 1: heraldrick cross that like the Crusaders had on their shields
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  Speaker 1: during the Crusades. Basically, so thank you. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a really cool looking cross.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, I want to make my state my case.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, I have had these arguments with conservatives.
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  Speaker 2: There there is a number of conservatives who believe things
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  Speaker 2: like weak men create weak societies and that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, I think it's more societies fail their men.
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  Speaker 2: And while I agree that men are stronger, they are
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  Speaker 2: more capable of taking these risks and these hardships on.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that they owe it to any society
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  Speaker 2: to do so, to use those particular strengths in the
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  Speaker 2: service of that society, unless that society has taken pains
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  Speaker 2: to reduce the possibility and to minimize it and to
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  Speaker 2: understand that men have this and and it is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: horrified at the thought of having to expend its sons
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  Speaker 2: in any capacity, and that is absolutely the last resort
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  Speaker 2: and doesn't see the situation in terms of society its
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  Speaker 2: sons having to prove itself to society, but society having
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  Speaker 2: to prove itself worthy of its son's sacrifice. So I
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  Speaker 2: think there's a difference there, and I see a lot
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  Speaker 2: of conservative at least the ones I argue with. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, Twitter is Twitter. Everybody's you know, high as
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  Speaker 2: like strung up like a long tailed cat in a
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  Speaker 2: room full of rocking chairs. But there is that difference
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  Speaker 2: that that men have nothing to prove to anyone, To
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  Speaker 2: be honest, that's my perspective. Men have nothing to prove.
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  Speaker 2: They aren't weak. They're still doing what they do, which
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  Speaker 2: is provide and protect for other people. Right, They're still
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  Speaker 2: trying to make it work in this world. It's our
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  Speaker 2: society that has massively failed them, has failed to deal
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  Speaker 2: with their mental health issues, their social crisises, the relationship
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  Speaker 2: crisis is like that has perpetuated a massive threat narrative
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  Speaker 2: against them. Now, I think on the conservative point, they
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  Speaker 2: would probably call out feminists for not giving men the
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  Speaker 2: external standard, whereas I call out feminists for not giving
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  Speaker 2: men the support they need and turning this social attitudes
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  Speaker 2: towards men into a threat narrative in which they outsize
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  Speaker 2: men's threat to women in society in order to manipulate
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  Speaker 2: people to give them clout and money. So that's where
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming from. Think our society is worthy of men's sacrifice.
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  Speaker 2: I think the lot has to change before we are
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  Speaker 2: And I think that again, yes, we can recognize that
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  Speaker 2: men are uniquely strong, physically strong, and uniquely capable of
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  Speaker 2: enduring certain types of hardships, but that isn't an excuse
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  Speaker 2: to lean on that every time our society fucks something up, Like,
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  Speaker 2: men aren't a bandage for our problems. They shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: blamed for things that they aren't responsible for and they
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  Speaker 2: haven't done. And so that's where my approach comes from.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm strict men's issues. I'm strictly we need to
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  Speaker 2: stop taking a sledgehammer to the engine of society, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like conservatives can say what the engine should
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  Speaker 2: be doing all they like. Meanwhile, the left or whatever
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  Speaker 2: is wearing the skin of the left is taking a
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  Speaker 2: sledgehammer to the engine and saying while men should embody
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  Speaker 2: this external standard or men should show you know, weak
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  Speaker 2: men create weak societies. And all of this stuff doesn't
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  Speaker 2: change the fact and is not addressing the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the left is taking a sledgehammer to men, and we
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  Speaker 2: need to stop that before we can start talking about
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  Speaker 2: what the engine needs to do. And it's not even
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  Speaker 2: an ethical issue. It's like you're not going to go
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  Speaker 2: anywhere with an engine if you're taking a sledgehammer to it,
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  Speaker 2: And if you want to use that engine, you got
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: to stop the person taking the sledgehammer to it before
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you can even start talking about what you want to
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: use the engine for. What standards men should uphold, how
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a happy wife makes a happy life, and all of
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: this other stuff. Okay, did you want to add anything
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: to that or should we actually get to a time.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Let's get video.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: The case that they have the most risk during warfare,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: and it is I think that it's a fundamental unfairness
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: in society, not just an unfairness, but a great injustice
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: that women are allowed to vote on policies for warfare
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: that they then don't have to go fight. As much
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: as it upsets me that Congress can make laws and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: exempt itself from them, it's just as much of an
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: injustice to me that Congress can do that as it
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: is an injustice to me that women can do this
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: to men.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: H Good, good framing. Okay, he's emphasizing that women have
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: the power, they are a threat to men, and men
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: are vulnerable to it. Let's see. You know, I don't
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: really have a lot of faith in Charlie as a
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: single instance of a good debater, but she's got a
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: lot on her side in terms of big guns, like
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: already universalized narratives. But let's see how she responds. Are
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: we at that point yet? Are we still in Andrews?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a worse it's in a bit.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: But okay, okay, I mean, so would you say that
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: only able bodied men under a certain age should be
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: allowed to vote.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: No because of what's called because of what's called fighting potential.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: So the idea is just this. It may be extraordinarily
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: rare that you ever need to get somebody who's disabled
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: or very old or very infirm to fight in frontline combat,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: but if you do, it's going to be men, and
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: the potential remains for men, and the potential is not
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: there for women.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Do you do you think that men with significant disabilities
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: would be better frontline combatants than women?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: What the hell is this? Weeds?
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I mean's she's saying, like in this hypothetical, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: do you think that disabled guys are better fighters? It's irrelevant.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: They were just drafted, that's the point. Yeah, it doesn't
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: matter has one leg. If they're like low enough on men,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: and if there's like a seventy year old dude with
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: like one leg, they're going to draft him before they
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: draft any women. That's just the way it is.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's not again like, it's not about strength
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: like I was saying, it's about what we consider to
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: be expendable and what we're willing to have suffer for us. Now,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell she's on about. What
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: what where are we in the time codes?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Let me see let me reverse twenty thirty six.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Twenty thirty six. Okay, so we've we've gone really far back.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Can we go to no, it was like one sex
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: oh yeah right, twenty thirty secks.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, but we were only only supposed to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: go nineteen twenty eight.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: All right. Yeah, so let's got me jump ahead to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the next one. I one so yeah, yeah, it's like
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: way over here all right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So the frame before we get into it is basically
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Andrews said that it's pretty much always going to be
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: men who are fighting in war, right, And he.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Does say it's an injustice to send men to their deaths. Yes,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: is an acknowledgment that there are people who can vote
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: for the fates of other people that take no that
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: they don't have to pay any checks that they're basically
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: filling out. And he compares them to congressmen who do that,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: saying it's like when you have like, you know, warmongering
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: neocon rhinos that send people to the Middle East to
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: die to get oil or whatever the narrative is, and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: they don't themselves have to do it, And this is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the same thing.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, I think that this is an excellent like
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I think Andrew's really doing well for in the men's issues.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Fraim right. I think that from a very bluepilled conservative perspective,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: they would say, because men have this ability, they owe
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it to societies. But I'm talking about working within the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: context of female like like feminist framework. But anyway, let's
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: let's keep going see what what Charley has to say.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: To that the men in Ukraine feel about it, because
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I do think that there are often men with very
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: uh you know, strong ideas about chivalry who would say
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: that's my duty, sure, agree to.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Carry on our co Yeah, I completely agree.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Women need to go because that's that's very much.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: What would that have to do with the justice of
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: it all or the injustice of it all?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Well, there's no justice in that. That's not that's not just.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: And so the thing is that.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So she's trying to like she was trying to basically say, well,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: men dying in war are using Ukraine. Because that's why
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: this is a bit of a gap. They were talking
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: about the Ukraine Russia conflict. And Andrew was pointing out that,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: you know, because she was saying, well, we haven't done
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a draft in like so many years. Was a little
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: bit before this, and he's like, well they did in Ukraine.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: They just they're drafting people in the Ukraine right now.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: There's guys that are, you know, on the front lines
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that are like sixty plus years old, sixty five years old,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you know. And she's like, well, isn't that just chivalry?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: So she was trying to say that men being drafted
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to fight in a war when they're in their sixties
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is just old. It's that old patriarchy again. And he
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: was like, that's not a commentary on whether or not
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: it's just or unjust, right, you're just saying you're trying
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to blame men for this.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So exactly, Yeah, she's trying to reframe whip men's agency
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and reframe blame away from women. Yepkay, that's what she's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: trying to do. She's trying to maintain that threat narrative.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Men are to blame and they're a threat and they
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: have no vulnerabilities. So let's see how all right, let's
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: see how.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Well, let me see what is this forty five twenty one?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: There's still a little bit more we haven't actually no,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that's the end of that clip, but I could play
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: more if you want to. Sure again and there's Charlie
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: saying that she would vote against the drafts. I can
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: jump ahead to that.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Let's let's see what Andrew has to say.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I'm curious, all right for the practical these sorts of
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: votes to pass. Is it a woman in power that
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: is making these things happen?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Well, in a democracy, yes, aren't all women.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: In the power.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so she's now see first, let's just see
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: you guys see what she's doing. First she tries to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: blame it on chivalry, which is basically another way of
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: blaming it on men. That doesn't work. Then she tries
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: to blame it on oh, well, who are the people
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you know in the big house that are like that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: are in power, that are actually like sending these men
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to war? Because another thing feminists do is they'll say, well,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it's men in the in positions of government that send
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: men to war, so it's obviously not my problem. And
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: he's like, no, women vote for these people, which is like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: it is true. I mean men also vote for these people.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: But I think in general, when people are casting their ballots,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: men are at least aware that if they vote for
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a warmonger it could be a problem for them at
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: least personally, right, women, I don't think they think about
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that as much. Now as long as the guy's promising, Gibbs,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Right, Like Obama got elected twice and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: he was grown striking the Middle East the whole time,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and nobody talks about it because it wasn't in the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: media or anything. But women voted for him because they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: wanted to be the person that voted for the black
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: guy that time. So they made history. But you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and I think that it's it's it is an important
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: thing to point out.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean what she's what again, what she's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: trying to do is just reframe it to blame men
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and threaten Okay, let's let's keep going.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: All right, No, no, you don't have the power to vote.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I can vote, but the people who are deciding.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: What I can then you have equal power to men.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Certainly, yes, the men of of of my status, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: you know, not the lawmakers, not the politician you voted for.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's what's here's what's so infuriating with this camp,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: with this particular framing. The vote is so important. You
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: don't mean anything in society unless you have the vote. Well,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: you are equally responsible, if not more responsible, for using
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: your vote to vote in warmongers. Oh no, the vote
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: isn't meaningless. It's not it's not worth anything. It just
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: as soon as this thing that you want it actually
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: means that you are going to be responsible for something,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Suddenly it's meaningless. So which is it? Is the vote
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: meaningless therefore getting the vote didn't give you any power?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Or is the vote meaningful therefore you are responsible for
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: what you're doing with your vote. You see how they
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: frame this. It's infuriating. Okay, I don't think we're going
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to get through many of these, all.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Right, you when you get to the next one, yeah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: let's get the rest of this jumped to the next one.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Jump to the next one, because we're done the rest
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: of this, all right.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So the next one is her saying, well, I wouldn't
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: vote for this, which is another dumb argument because it
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So fifty three fifty five right here, we'll
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: just move forward like ten seconds, all.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Right, either of you being called in a draft to
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: go to the front lines to fight slim to none.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: However, she's saying, I wouldn't. The odds of you guys
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: getting drafted are slint to none, which is a lie.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It is a lie because if the government needs men
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: bat bodies badly enough, they will draft men of whatever age.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I could be drafted, even though I'm not in shape
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: or anything. But if they need it badly enough, like
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: in Ukraine. That's like that's the primary example, then they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: will do it.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing is, the other thing is, okay,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: they will draft men who are outside of what you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: would expect to combat aged men for. But the other
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: thing is, there are men still alive who were subjected
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: to the draft, right, there are men who still remember
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: this this injustice? Okay, there aren't. There are what ten
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: women alive who still remember a time without women having
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the vote, And yet we are supposed to submit to
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the land acknowledgment when it comes to the vote and
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: women and just handwave something that has happened in living
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: memory to men. Soon. I'm saying, it's like, there's this
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: complete hypocrisy here. She could meet men who were subject
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to the draft, Andrew's never going to meet a woman
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: who wasn't able to vote, Certainly not a woman who
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: wasn't able to vote by the time she hit eighteen.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Like maybe you'd meet a woman who was like, oh,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: my mother wasn't able to vote, But you will not
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: meet a woman who could not vote at some point
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: in her life at this point in time. And yet
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you can meet a man who was forced to drop
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: everything in his life, forced to let go of all
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of his hopes for themselves and his plans for himself,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: and go and fight in a war that you know,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: in retrospect made very little sense. Okay, And that's the difference.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And yet we can't reckon recognize the draft as an
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: injustice that men face. But we have to constantly, oh,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: we're sorry women didn't have the vote. They didn't have
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the vote. They got the vote when when universal suffrage
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: for all men was created, but not before then. You know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: like we have to constantly be like, oh, yeah, we
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: need to we need to make reparations for the time
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that women didn't have the vote. And it's it's now
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: a century away, but we can't even consider the time
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that men were subject to the draft, even though it's
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: not a century away, it's within living memory. Okay, all right, yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'm done.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, slim to none. However, I am against the draft,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and I would support I would support any motion legal
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: motion to remove the draft.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Can I just vote for that?
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I would use my power as a woman.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: That's very nice, that's very nice. But again, you are
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: going to bring up women's lack of a vote as
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: historic injustice, as a bludgeon to derive clout and access
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to resources today. And yet you will not contend with
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the fact that it's a much much less far back
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: in time and justice that men are still alive who
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: are subjected to this. You won't contend to that with
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: that at all. You'll just completely ignore. Oh, it's not
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: going to have there's no good to well, women are
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: unlikely to lose the vote, to be honest, because they'd
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: have to vote for it, So there you go. But
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: men are far more likely to end up in a draft,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and they have memories of having been subjected to the draft,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and you're just hand waving that. Okay, mm hmm, all right,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: let's see what I'm saying.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Even if that's the case, that's nice that you say that, right,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: But our global leaders are never going to get rid
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: of the draft because their military, their military advisors tell
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: them not to because it's a huge weapon for mobilization
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: of military force. If you need so we're never gonna
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: get rid of it. That's just a fucking pipe drain.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: What's happened instead is that they're making the draft more
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: and more invisible. So you get put on a list.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Whenever you interact with any citizenship benefits, like getting a
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: driver's license or registering to vote or a passport, you
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: get put on a draft without your knowledge and without
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: your consent as a man. That's what they did in Canada.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: This is Canadians are like, oh, we don't even have
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: selective service, bitch, you have selective service. You just don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: know it, because Canadian men are put on a list
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: without being told, and this is what you know. They say, oh,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: we got rid of selective service in the draft. No,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: there's I don't think I would suspect there is no
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: government that has ever truly gotten rid of selective service.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: They've just hidden it. They don't have to deal with
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the questions it brings up and the arguments. They don't
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: want to have to deal with the potential of men
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: protesting it, so they just hide it. Ugh, okay, all right.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: So remove women's ability to vote and then we'll never
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: go to war. Is that you're thinking no.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that this injustice and unfairness. And by the way,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: like when you bring up you say, well, what about
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: sixty year olds? They can't be drafted? Okay, but they
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: could have been when they were in their twenties and
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: signed up to the draft in which you didn't have to,
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: So their potential was already there and exhausted. They already
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: had to go through that stage of life where their
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: number could be called and yours couldn't. So yeah, they
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: still get the benefit. They still did the thing that
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: you guys will never fucking do. They still did it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing, Charlie, keep
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: your vote, but get rid of the narrative that you're
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: a victim relative to men. Keep your vote, ladies, but
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: no longer can you conte in you to assert victimhood
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: relative to men. How about that? Okay, how about you
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: just acknowledge the injustice. That's what Andrews is chaying. Just
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: acknowledge the injustice. We don't have to talk about. Well
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't have that means you want to get rid
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: of women's you're reframing the injustice in terms of harm
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to women instead of acknowledging the injustice to men. That's
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: what she's doing, and she's trying to silence it because
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: she doesn't want She got the threat narrative. You've got
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to minimize Ben's vulnerability. You've got to maximize their threat
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: and their negative intent and agency. And that's how it goes.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what she's doing. So she's hanging on too,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: with both fists and her monkey toes. All right.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Again like that, Andrew's not actually debating to take the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: vote away. He's using it as an example of female privilege. Yes,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what the point is. It's to sort
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of like blow that whole thing up, right, So I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: got a couple superchows. The fish got nukes, gave us
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: five dollars superchow and says, badgers, please get right with Jesus.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Time is running short. I want to see you guys
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: up there. Also, you by now must realize the Nineteenth
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: must be repealed to save Western civilization and it's not
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: going to happen, So just get right with Jesus. Thank
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you go badgers, Thank you Fish. Appreciate the message, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I mean look, I don't think the Nineteenth
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is going anywhere. I like, it's a meme as far
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, but it does pits off feminists, so
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I have fun with it, but it's not going anywhere,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: you know. But maybe, like if we're having the thing is,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I think that Andrew does this for the same reasons
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that I do it. I bring it up because it's
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: worth talking about just how much accountability, no consequence, there
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is to women's actions. And that's like a really obvious
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: one we can talk because about that abortion, you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: child abuse, things like this. And the thing is is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that something that's very rock solid that is inarguable is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the draft and the vote. So, like, you know, because
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: without the draft, I mean, if you don't get a draft,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: if you don't sign up for the draft, you are
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: subject as a man to lots of penalties, one of
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: which is you can't vote. So men don't get the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: vote if they don't sign up. Women get the vote
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: by default. So literally, men actually have less of the
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: right to vote. Not that the vote is a right,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: because it's not, but they have less of access to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the vote than women do. And talking about it in
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: this way is a way to get people to think
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: about it, because we take this for granted all the time,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: so when you talk about it, you just put it
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: in their head to think about. So that's the goal.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Why I joking, you know, joke about the Nineteenth all
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the time. I don't think it's going because women would
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: actually have to vote for that, and I don't think
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: If any point women actually vote for that, I think
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the problem is probably solved.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it gets to the point where women are
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: willing to vote for it, then that means that we've
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: solved the problem exactly.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh, sorry for leaving. I had I wanted
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to get myself a glass of water, or actually I
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: think I'm getting void cat a glass of water, but
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: hopefully I'll get a few SIPs in before she decides
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: to take it over.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: All right, let's continue, all right, next super Child, I
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: get to the super Chow from Richard Beere for five dollars,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and he says, instead of taking the right to vote
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: away from women, just have the candas owns podcasts about
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: whatever conspiracy theory of the week is running. On election day.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: The women will be too riveted to the podcast to
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: show up to the polls. Not exactly, voter suppression either,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Richard. Yes, I get it. I get the joke.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I see what you did there. Okay, So let's do
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you want me to play the rest of this. Let
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: him make his point.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Let him make his point, all right, yeah, and then
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I will I will do the summation of this particular
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: argumentative argumentation.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, moving on to the next thing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, but let him finish the point here.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, let's play it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: The thing is so, the thing is is like it
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: just stands like this to reason, right, it doesn't matter
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: if the eighteen year old never gets called to a draft.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: The potential is only there that he will. And you
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: can't get mad at him later because he still maintains
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: voting rights or certain rights that you don't get, because
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: he still went through the process of signing up for
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: the draft and had the potential to be called and
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: you never did.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, bam m hm bam, yeah, you win.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I would have I would have driven a home a
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: different way. I would have said, you, you can't you
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you can't get mad at him because he didn't go
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: to war and die and could no longer vote. Because
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that's another thing. Too, right. A man who is draft
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and goes to war and dies there, well he doesn't
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: get to vote. I mean he can well, in some
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: elections he might get to vote. He might get to
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: vote for Biden, but like in general, he's on people,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: he's not supposed to be able to vote because he's dead.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So I would have pointed out that like getting drafted
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: or like being signed up for the draft is not
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: something to be taken lightly, because what these people do
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: is they they they sort of handwave it like, well,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: we haven't had a draft in a long time. And
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: if you say, well they're doing it right now, well
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get all the glory or or
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: something right, or you're not gonna see action, or you're
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: not gonna you know. It's always like, how do I
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: take these these situations that have like as much a
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: risk of death or dismemberment or PTSD or other kind
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of harm as there is none, and just make like
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: try to minimize that damage. So, yeah, a woman gets
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the vote, A man who gets drafted may not vote
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: because he may not come back alive. So that that's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: why I would put it, or at least try to
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: like put a fine point on.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and ultimately I would have put it, Okay, we
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: live in a we live in a time period where
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you can talk to men who have been subject to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: the draft. You there's no women alive who weren't able
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: to vote. Okay, So why is it that one thing
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: you're you're saying that one thing is more important, or
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: you're going to use the vote as a bludgeon to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: assert moral dominance and demand tithe, but you refuse to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: acknowledge the more recent tragedy and the more recent disenfranchisement. Okay,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: let's go to the next Oh wait, before we do that,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: let me do the summation. Here we go, all right,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: winner Andrew also partially men's rights frame as well, or
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: at least a dual win for Andrew and the men's
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: rights frame. He forces recognition of a uniquely male burden, right,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and he forces her to recognize that it is a
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: situation where women have power over men and do not
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: face the same sacrifice. Charlie's attempt to generalize, general generalize war,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: generalize the suffering of war doesn't fully erase that recognition. Right,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: this is this is this is actually perplexity, I asked,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: perplexity based on this framework, who won in this case?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Andrew and us? Hey, go as at least yeah, okay?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Play three is the illusory.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Illusory benefits of war, illusory.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Benefits of war. Let's do it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: All, right, fifty one? Just check it here again, just
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: double check fifty one, fifty five. So right here.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: It's a huge injustice that one proportion of the population
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: has the potential to always fight wars on behalf of
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: the the other the other doesn't have to fight it
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: gets all the benefits of them doing it, right, And
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: we're supposed to just be like, well, okay, then the bench, No,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: that's not okay.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Then the benefits like having your male family members die
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: potential wartime rape if your country is.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: The benefits if you did you hear that?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that? That was the Hillary Clinton thing.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: You know, Women are the vict primary victims of war
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: because their husbands, brothers, fathers, and sons all die.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Women are the primary victims of war because their oppressors die. Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Does their oppressors die? Right?
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah? No, not in the context of your framing of
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women. Dear, are we at
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: fifty two nineteen yet?
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Or I just I just backed up a little bit.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I want to hear it again. But let's let's see.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: It's all the benefits of them doing it right, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: we're supposed to just be like, well, okay. Then it's
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: like yeah, fuck that, No, that's not okay.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Then the benefits like having your male family members die,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: potential wartime rape if your country.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Is the benefits of you not being fucking occupied and
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: being able to get all your resources.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay. And then here's another benefit. All right,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: here's another benefit. Okay. As a result of World War two,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: the US was established as the world reserve currency, which
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, there's a few steps in between,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you know, there's you know, a couple of steps. Question mark.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: She gets an avocado job, avocado toast job. She gets
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: to pretend to have some kind of marketable skill with
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: her I don't know women studies masters, right, or what
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: is a political science? I don't know what she got
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: it in. But she she gets to protect she gets
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: to have a life without men, without men's support. Like
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that was a benefit of World War two, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: for for you know, for the West, I would say,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: but also the US being the world reserve currency, allowing
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: for a situation where you can have massive government deficits
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that employ women like this. Now, I think most people
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: on this channel would not regard that as a benefit,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: and she probably doesn't even understand what I'm talking about.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: But to elaborate on it's basically an elaboration on Andrew's
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: point that women enjoy the bonus of additional resources acquired
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: through war. I think in the and Sumer, I think
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: it was Sumer, or at least one of those really
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: old civilizations, the word for war was the same word
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: as more cattle. Right, Oh yeah, and ethnographers who've looked at,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: or an anthropologist who looked at historically in society, it's resources.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Societies go to war over resources. Okay, So if you're
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: part of a successful society who's gone to war over resources,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: if you're a woman in that society, you are going
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: to benefit. You are going to get additional resources, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: in certain time periods we will get you know, a
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: couple slave women to do your work for you, that
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. So, yes, women did benefit from war.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: They benefited immensely from war, which is probably why they
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: continued to teach boys and young men that that was
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: an essential component of their identity. I mean, in addition
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: to the natural like men, like most male social mammals
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: do defend their social group. Like that's that, But you
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: know there's also the socialization on top of that to
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: who you're supposed to defend, right, So that there's women
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: have been part of this from the beginning. They've been
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: benefiting it from the beginning. And the other thing is
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: that this discussion always revolves around war. But this instinct
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: that men have that gets exploited in war is also
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: useful for building skyscrapers, tunneling under the Thames, you know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: creating the Hoover Dam, piloting the Edmund Fitzgerald over like
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: one of the Great Lakes. You know that this desire
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: to protect and endure hardship for your social group has
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a lot more benefits than soldiering and men going to war.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: In fact, I would argue that war is an exploitation
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: of that instinct. So it's like we use men to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: solve political political conflicts. In the current era, we use
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: men to solve those kinds of conflicts, Like it's a
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: failure of societies to solve these problems, so they send
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: their sons to war. And it makes it make them
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: feel like it's but there are other ways that we
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: use men men's expendability, and war shouldn't be separated from
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: all of that other stuff. It shouldn't be separated from
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: how we say, sacrifice men to maintain our infrastructure. Like
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: it shouldn't be separated from the men who died building
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: the Hoover gem or died building a skyscraper, or died
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: tunneling under the Thames. You know, it shouldn't be separated
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: from those sacrifices because it's all the same thing. It's
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: just so happens that we also sacrifice men to solve
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: political disputes and get more resources as societies. So I mean,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: do you see what I'm saying. It's like this shouldn't
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: be separated. This is all part of the same continuity, right.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't think Andrew would disagree with
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: any of that.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Oh I'm not even I'm not saying it to Andrew.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I mean maybe, Like I said, I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: think that the conversation about war and the draft is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: the one that has the finest, most clear point, like
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: the like the least the hardest to disagree with. It's
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the strongest point, but all those other points are also true.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: But I mean, like women like Charlie will weasel around
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: them anyway.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: And she's saying that women do not benefit from men
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: going to war.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Right, even if women.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Don't benefit from men going to war specifically, they benefit
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: from the social phenomenon or the evolutionary or whatever the cycle,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, that men sacrifice for
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the benefit of their social groups. They benefit from it
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: in other circumstances, and you can't take those circumstances away
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: from also using men expendability or expending men in solving
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: political problems. That's what I'm saying. So even if she
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: can argue, oh, women don't benefit from war, women sure
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: as hell benefit from clean water, they benefit from electricity,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: they benefit from natural gas, nuclear like fossil fuels, all
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: of this stuff which is maintained by men. And it's
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: maintained because men are willing to take these risks, you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: for for for money, for social work, but also just
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to provide for their for their families. Right, So it's
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: all a continuum. War is just an extreme end of
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that continuum. It's the most useless waste of men's willingness
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: to take on risk and hardship to protect others the
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: most useless waste. But it's on a continuum. So when
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: she says, oh, I don't benefit from war, while it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: not just war we're talking about, is it. It's every
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: circumstance where men expend themselves in order protect and provide
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: for others. That's what I'm saying. I'm pointing it at Charlie,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: not an Andrew Bryan.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just saying, like that further strengthens our position.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Is all saying, yeah, okay, so should I play more
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of this or jump ahead to the next thing?
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Jump ahead to the next thing.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: All right, So the next thing is arguing Charlie arguing
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: almost no one benefits except ultra wealthy women suffer two,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: which I think we just did. That's fifty two. Actually, no,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: we're getting on it now.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: So let me play this occupied and what that means
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: is that a good chunk of the money that we
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: make will be going on.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: I assure you you're wrong. I assure you that if
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: you refuse to go to war, you will be occupied.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: We will also be again if if if our country
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: goes to war, any country that votes to go to war,
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: there's a chance that they could be invaded and their
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: women could be subjected to uh war time essay again also, but.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: That is not yeah, after the men are dead.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, after the men are dead. Yeah, that's a risk
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: that you take for war.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: That's not it's a risk we take for being alive.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Like just like sorry, like the world is not safe.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Also men get raped in war.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Friends, like the only only a person who lives in
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the first world, like Charlie, that where they're so safe
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: and so comfortable. Can they look at the idea of
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: of this potential outcome of like being invaded, conquered and
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: then you know, taken in by the invading force and
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: being like basically made to integrate, which is what happens
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: to the women generally, Like even in an enemy invading
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: force values women's like the life of a woman more
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: than the yes, obviously, like they'll at least keep them
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: because they're like, well, we can use them, you know.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And of course she'll say, well, that's worse than dying,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Like no, I mean it's and look I'm not trying
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: to make light of it, but it's it's if only
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you can be so comfortable that you can't look at
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that dispassionately and stoically and say, well, this is like
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: this is a reality that we have to live with.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's like never having been exposed
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: to crime and then saying crime shouldn't exist.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, well, I mean she can say that,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: it's just that she can't she can't see well, okay,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: so yes, this is a risk that societies take. And
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: if the situation happens that a society ends up losing
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: all of its sons and gets invaded, well, first of all,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: you know, do women really do women really really do
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: that badly when they're invaded? I seem to recall some
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: like in in uh journals or diaries of French women,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: how when the Germans managed to invade their country in
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: the in the forties World War two, how they described
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: how the french Men who had lost were so furtive
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: and and failed, you know, and then it was like
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: rodent men and then the big wild, strong, uh you know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: like Barb, you know, big wild, strong, confident German men,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and they're like oh la lah, you know, like do
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: they really do they really lose out that much? I mean,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: in some societies they did so for example in Germania,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: like back in like the the back in ancient Rome,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: you know, with with those kinds of societies there, for
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, if you won, you killed everyone, you sacrificed
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: everyone to wotan. You never threw everyone in the swamp.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: So they evolved this thing where if you failed on
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: the battlefield, the women would kill the fleeing men, then
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: killed their children, then kill themselves to avoid capture. So
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe in that society you can say women
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: really suffered with see the same degree that men did
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: with war. But you know, you know, I'm not saying no,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: it's not that fringe. It had a pretty big influence
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: on Romans and also on European history. Like we're talking
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: about a fairly large population body, and but we I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: don't want to necessarily get in that. I don't, But
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: that's not what she's talking about. It's it's the whole.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: Like Hillary Quinton, women are the biggest victims of war,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: like you mentioned, like all the un talking about how
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: women are the biggest victims of war because they're the
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: ones who end up in the refugee camps. And let's go,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: where are the men ah raped and dead in a ditch.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, men got raped too, you know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, And actually some of the studies, one study from
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: the Congo found, actually, what would it's a surprising amount
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: of rape by women in wartime something like I think
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I think it was ten percent of men were raped
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: by women, and you know that's got to be higher.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: And forty percent of women were raped by women in wartime.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Just it's it's higher than you would think. Okay, so
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: when she's talking about all women are going to be
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: invaded and well, you may not always be raped by
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: the male invaders, lady, you might also find yourself with
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: the unwonted attentions of you know, of a female invader
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: as well. Okay, let's keep going. Oh wait, wait, this
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: is done.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Isn't it. No, No, it's not, You're not done.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Keep going.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: The times of war. Things are tough, Your resources are
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: are not there. People starved during wartime. There is very
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: few people who actively benefit from war except for the
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: ultra wealthy.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but do you understand that the case in point
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: is that it's going to be men who are going
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: to do this. And when you say things that are
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: they just sound absurd to me, like there's no guarantee
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: that you still won't be occupied even if you send
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: them in off to war. It's like, so what, you're
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: still sending the men off to war, and yeah, you
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: just don't ever have that potent, Like that's nothing you
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: ever have to worry about. When you go down and
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: you sign up to vote, you don't have to sign
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: a draft card, like you don't. You don't get let's
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: put it this way.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Let's put it this way. Okay. A society sends its
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: sons off to war and wins. Women get the benefit
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: of the resources. A society signs its sons off and loses.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: The society gets invaded. Everybody in that society suffers. But
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: in both cases, men are suffering, right.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's trying to do it too wrong. People
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: of who cares.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: But society wins, society wins, men suffer. Even when the
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: society wins, men suffer. When the society went loses, women
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: also suffer. But that's the outcome that you don't want.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: And she's trying to pretend that that's equal. It isn't.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me look at the time code here.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I think we're done with this, Like.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, that's done, so okay.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: All right, let's do the let's do the analysis here, Okay.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Illusionary benefits of war, Charlie says only the ultra wealthy benefit,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: which flattens sects distinctions and contribution. It dilutes the idea
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: that men as a women is a class free wide
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: on men's sacrifice. If the society wins, men have still suffered,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: but women benefit. It only happens that women also suffer
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: if the society loses and maybe somewhat during the war
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: because of privation. Andrew and sists others, including women, benefit
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: from men's risks, highlighting male contribution, but again mostly a
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: sacrificial winner. Andrew narrowly he maintains a narrative of unique
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: male sacrifice. Charlie's everybody suffers elites only frame leans towards
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: erasing ordinary men's sacrifice role, but doesn't fully succeed Andrew one.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: But had Charlie really put or had he not been
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: so on the ball about swatting away her nonsense around, oh,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: but women also suffer and women aren't with you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the win, would not he would not have won. So
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: that's that's that's something to take away from this. Make sure,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: they don't reframe it in terms of women have it worse,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: and she was desperately trying to do that. I mean
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: desperately maybe is the wrong word, because her affect is
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: really too bored for the sinful earth kind.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Of well, it's this, well, I think there's like trying
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: to send across this message of like why are you
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: making me expend energy to like obviously slap down your
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: argument with these like overused, you know, kind of tropy
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: cliche responses like well, women are the biggest victims of war, well,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: you know, women would suffer also risks a lot as well,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and shit like that, Right, when everyone loses, women lose,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: women lose two, therefore it's worse than when only men lose.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so let's uh so, let's go to the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: next one. I will, I will get my document out of.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Here, Crime and Violence.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Crime and Violence three plays, Play four men is the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: default threat, and then play five is crime without context.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Oh oh no, that's in hipocrious. Play six responsibility without repair.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Let's go for men's default threat because I think that's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: got the big relevance to us. All right, so is silence? Okay,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: ready grist and ready I think they're pulling very.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Very old. It's not just that. Think about here in
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: the United States, you're going to get a tank through
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Michigan in the wintertime. I don't think so. I don't
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: think that's now. I don't think so. So the thing is.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Thirty one yeah, okay, all right, let's go.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: A lot of strength, regardless of technology, and even utilizing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: technology requires a lot of physical strength. Tanks require loading
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: from shells, carrying tons of shells, carrying tons of equipment
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: and ammunition, and not only that, you have to be
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: more resistant to the elements, and men are Men are
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: more resistant to elements than women are, and so they
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: have kind of everything going for them. They're they're the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: super soldier, and they were designed basically to be super soldiers.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Right, that's me I thought you might.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: All right, so this is there's a little bit more
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure we can finish that.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: If you have an exaggerated idea of what the average
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: starving Russian farm boy might look like.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: I think okay, no, start, lady, lady, sir, Why am
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: I saying, sir? The average starving Russian farm boy is
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: going to still be stronger than the average starving Russian
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: farm girl. That's his point. All right, let's go to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: where Charlie, because this is what's freaking weird. She insists
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: that men don't have this physical strength differential right, that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: they're not somehow physically stronger or more capable of doing
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: these things. Maybe that's the issue. She's fine with recognizing
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: that men are hulking morons who are physically strong, but
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: not that they are capable of using that for any
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: kind of benefit to women or society. But anyway, go
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: back to six point fifty one where she.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: So this is actually before Andrews's commons.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, I know, it's it's like, uh, but
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: it's a little bit back.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: And forth, like checkpoints, state mandated garments, state removing media
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: independent media in order to have state messaging. I think
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: of those types of things, and those were all the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: things that I saw during the Wawns from the side
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: of the leftist, progressive and the feminist side, and they
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: all seem to be in pretty good unison there, and
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: it seems like all that did was limit choice.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: And so are we in maybe this is an incorrect
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: time code. Are we in six fifty one?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Now we're at seven eleven, but I started at like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: six point forty something, so, huh, this.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Looks like COREL made a mistake. Okay, let me let
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: me fix this. Let's go to crime without context. Yeah,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: sorry about that, guys. We'll see if I can get
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: COREL to fix.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: That's what the majority of warfare is now, bombs, drones,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: gorilla stuff.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: War will always come down after you get past the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: technological barriers. So if you have a first world nation
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: attacking third world nation, sure right, they're left with gorilla warfare.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: We use massive amounts of technology to level major cities
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: things like this, and then setting in occupying four worse,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: they fight the occupying force with guerrilla warfare. That's true.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: But when it comes to first world nations, that's different.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: They have technology, they're gonna blow the hell out of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: each other, right, But then when they blow up each
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: other's technology, it still comes down to infantry based combat.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: Why do you think they train people to be infantrymen?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Because it still comes down to that. And there's lots
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: of places you can't get technology. You can't always get
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: technology in the deep dark jungle, or in the high
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: deserts or in the snow covered your fields. And planes.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: All right, looks like looks like this is a little
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: bit like the time codes here are not working properly.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: So why don't we skip to the third one, which
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: is responsibility without repair?
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, thirty five forty male responsibility and self control.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try to get coral up.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Yeap coral.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: If we needed to get them as buff as the average.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you see the whole matter we were if.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: We were desperate for it, we could start giving women
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: tea and they would get pretty jacked pretty quickly.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Do you see the issue there?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: That should be pretty obvious right away.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Why I would be forcing someone to take eight?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's not the issue. The issue is it's like,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: why wouldn't you just give it to the men.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Because now the astron of men just turns into estrogen,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: which is why people looking to transition to uh, you know,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: have more male secondary sex characteristics. They have to be
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: careful about the dosa just testosterron they take, otherwise it
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: loops around and turns back into ask.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Sure, but if it's a but if it's a case,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: you're looking for a strength differential, right, Most men are
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: short on testosterone anyway, and you can give them TRT.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Why not give it?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: That's that's one, but two for women, TRT in its
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: effects and changes and your physical body would take years,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: doesn't take weeks.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, what's okay. Ultimately this provides a little bit of background, right,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: But what she's arguing is that men's men don't have
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: useful strength. But later on she argues that men are threatening.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Do you get what I'm saying? Physically threatening? So she
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: recognizes that men are strong when it it involves being
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: presented as a physical threat, but she refuses to recognize
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: that that strength might be beneficial. We can go to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: one fifty.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Nine fifty all right, one fifty Yeah, all right, fucking
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: thing is like six hours.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they're worse than us.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, yeap.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Opportunity in trying to not make judgments on someone on
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: the basis side.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: I think it's fine for people to make judgments, of course.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: You know, like if I am walking down the street
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: at night and I see a large group of rowdy
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: twenties something men, I'm gonna be like a little bit
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: like anxious, you know, I'm gonna be like, well, they're
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: rowdy young men. That could be potentially dangerous.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, wait he's gonna say.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Men.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: I know, we'll get into that later. Okay, I just
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: want to point that out. This is what she does
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: men strength. Men's strength can only be recognized when it's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: a threat to women in society. It cannot be recognized
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: in terms of its benefit. You notice that, mm hmm, yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: that's that's what's ridiculous about this. And of course she
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: would even though she insists that men are dangerous and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: we should be able to discriminate against them because they're dangerous,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: she doesn't acknowledge that that very dangerousness that she says
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: she's afraid of is useful in war, or might be
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: useful in dealing with risky and difficult circumstances. You know.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: So she can't allow men anything even the necessary other
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: side of the coin to what she does insist men are,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: which is dangerous and threatening. It's incredibly hypocritical. Let's say,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, so let's uh, let's go to the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I'll test these timecodes. I'm a little bit worried that
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: these are.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Not Do you not want to hear where he brings
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: up where he will this.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Is a separate category I do cover it like it's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: in there. It's in the.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Document, all right, all right, so let we get to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: her response. Even no, no, no, go.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: To thirty five forty. Okay, yeah, we need like trying
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: to find.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's it's not come on, just it's fine.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: We got this thirty five forty yeah, uh, what the hell?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry, it's okay. I know if jumps around, it's really annoying.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, we were desperate for it. We could
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: start giving women tea and they would get pretty jacked
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Do you see the issue there though, That should
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: be pretty awful.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: You just said this.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know this is very strange.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Take eight.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's not the issue. The issue is it's like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: why wouldn't you just give it to the men.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: No, this is the same sound.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, let me play out. Let it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: play out. Let it play out.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: All right, I'm gonna let play out because now you
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: of men just turns into estrogen, which is why people
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: looking to transition to uh you know, have more male.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: Secondary sex characteristics. They have to be careful about the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: dosae of testoster from the table, otherwise it loops around
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: and turns back into ask.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Sure, but if it's a but if it's a case,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: you're looking for a strength differential, Right, most men are
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: short on testos run anyway, and you can give that's one,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: but two for women, trt in its effects and changes
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: when your physical body would take years doesn't take weeks, and.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: It's not going to change the fact that women don't
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: go through puberty with it. So and why is she
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: in Like literally, what she's saying is, let's give women
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: the thing that gives men the natural advantage that I
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: refuse to acknowledge in a positive sense, but definitely acknowledge
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: in a negative sense. I mean, this is just absurdity
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she just she just thinks that, like
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people, they just think that human beings,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: you can just like alter our chemistry and it's fine,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Like you can just make women more like men and
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: make men more like women, and there's no like, it's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: all just very interchangeable. It's like this, you know, like
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: the let's say the endpoint of the blank slate idea.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: That's why she's casually saying, well, just put women onto
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: stosterone and they'll be strong like men. You know, just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: put points in strength, like she plays video games, right,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: just just just dump everything in strength and you'll be fine,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: even if you made a you know, buddy type the
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: character and okay, it just doesn't work.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: That way, like yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Like we have a nature, we have a biology, and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I think that and I don't know if that's just
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: her trying to like find a way out, you know,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: of this corner that she's in, but yeah, it's it's
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: a problem. So all right, yeah, should I go next?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Why don't we just finish that one off to see
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: where it takes us?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: So one eleven, wait, finish this one off or go back?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: No, not finish that one and we'll go back to
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: one twenty.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Eight thirty six is only a few more seconds, okay,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: years for your muscles to start to create.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: About this?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: It it does, It does. It definitely does.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: A very personal experience with this. It does.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: You became fifty percent stronger using TRT. He became equivalent
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: in strength to the average man using TRT.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: No, No, there's no I mean more muscles group.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she took the ring for a while. I
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: guess doesn't look like a friend though.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: One twenty eight eleven. Let's go to one.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Twenty eleven is where where we.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: Were, So one hour in twenty eight minutes eleven, that's
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: where we were. Okay. I don't know what's going on
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: with these times.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Terrorist threat in the sense that there.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Are fucking liberals it has I wish let I could
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: label feminists as a domestic terrorist organizam.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: They were, yeah, the weather underground anybody well, and also
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: the original suffragettes and their their activities. They're actually I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: think they one of their activities bombing mailboxes, like putting
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: bombs in mailboxes actually to I think a death and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: somebody losing their eye. So they were not they were
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: actually domestic ras and during a time of war too,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: which generally meant if they had been men, they would
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: have taken out a dawn and shot, but because they
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: were women, they got away with it. Patriarchy. Okay, let's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: keep going on this count code, all right?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: Would you deny that there have not been you know,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: mass shooters motivated.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: By Do you deny that trans ideology as motivated mass shooters?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: Do we label them as being domestic terrorists?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: I think no, No.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: We don't.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: But that's different. That's like an identity rather than a
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: problem to be solved.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: I think that what.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Men are a problem to be solved, I guess.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: And when men commit mass shootings, it's because not be
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: because of identity, like trans people, it's because of them
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: being a problem that they need to be solved. Okay,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I don't I think that she's just I think she's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: briefly switched her anus for her mouth. There you're just
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: listening to brain farts. But yeah, let's finish this one off.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: Let's see what interest.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Let me see what's left in it. So eight's like
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: another yeah, to be solved, or they'll say, wouldn't become
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: trans to begin with.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: They have a problem and they're trying to solve it.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: It's not just a matter of identity. It's a matter
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: of problem.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: Solution, medication and surgery and whatnot. Whereas like involuntary celibates, I.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: Just feel like involuntary celibates also if it's a problem
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: to be solved, they get buffing fuck a check And
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: that's the same shit. Right, you have a problem, you're
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: solving it. They're just like the trans are having a problem,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: they're solving it. That's from your view, isn't that the
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Then why are all the men on the internet complaining
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: that they are loveless and can't find women.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: In Okay, wait, god, she's like a freaking she's a
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: digression machine. She's like, uh, well, uh in cells, and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: then she doesn't even explain how that logic makes any sense,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: and then she digresses again. Oh, men are lonely on
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: the internet. Okay, this individual, I mean there every is like, oh,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: she hadn't know how to debate. This dividual doesn't know
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: how to think. She was failed in kindergarten.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, well, no, she's college educated or something. But
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I mean that should be obvious, right, yeah.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: That should be nothing really. Okay, so we've just finished responsibility. Yeah,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get you another set of time codes,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: and hopefully those ones aren't.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I missed any super child's.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, take a look at that. Okay. So Charlie
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: focuses on male moral failure and toxicity. Men are framed
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: as problem without compensation compensating recognition of contributional Andrew's stresses
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: male duty and sin still keeps men under an external
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: standard with little acknowledgment of harm to them. Okay, admittedly
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: this seems like it was all very digressiony and difficult
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: to pull anything meaningful out. So it might just be
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: a situation where Andrew was directly responding to her strange digressions. Okay, Winner,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: this is what perplexity says, Charlie. Her emphasis on men
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: is morally at fault plus lack of interest in male
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: costs advance a threat narrative with no space for uniquely
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: positive masculinity. Andrew's external standard frame is present but subordinate here.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: So and it might just be because this was an
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: absolute salad of a debate, but this is what perplexity saw,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: so take it for what you will.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: It's simply like recognizing that a standard exists on men,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: the same as holding them to that standard. Like if
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I said the reality is, this is like how things
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: are if I describe it as it is and not
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: an aught, I'm not promoting the is. I'm saying it exists.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: That's what Andrew's doing here. He's not saying this is
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: how it should be. He's saying this is how it is.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: He's not saying I think the AI is misdiagnosing. He's
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: misrepresenting Andrew's position.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, I know that you guys don't.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm listening to this and he's not saying
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: men should go and die for people who don't like them.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: He is saying the reality is this, and he's just
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: stating it right, And he's saying, this is why women
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: are privileged. That's what this whole thing is about. Right.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: So maybe the AI thinks that Charlie why is fine,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: But I think that I don't think Andrew is making
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: any prescriptive statements. He's just being descriptive.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough. It could be a situation where
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: he's being descriptive, but it could also be a situation
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: that this particular part of the argument really didn't lend
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: itself to pointing things out, like where these criminals are
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: coming from, why they're motivated for doing what they're doing,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: the rate at which women engage in similar levels of crime,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: you know that kind of stuff. So I wouldn't. I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm going to hold it to this
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: because it's I feel like this became spaghetti in the middle.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: So let's go to the next one. BodyCount real book.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Do you guys want to go through BodyCount rule book? Like,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not too inclined towards it, but you know, well,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: let's do it.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Forty three.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: This thing bounces all over the place, doesn't it.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's trying to pull out in a six
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: like a very long stream, a set of arguments that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: are concise.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: No, I mean like they're.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Blaming I'm not blaming Andrew for this, but it feels
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: like they sort of rotate in and out of like
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: an orbital window, and occasionally, you know, you get a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: direct shot and something relates to other you know. It's
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: just I'm not sure that whatever podcast is really the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: best format for getting stuff done. But but they are
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: very big, so what they're doing seems to be working
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: for a police, getting people thinking, okay, let's it's successful.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I really hate on that. All right, Oh boy,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: it's like frozen. Hold on you for refresh it. Sure,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: give me a second.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Let's see what's going on with this one.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: Darry Celibates, I.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Just feel like, all right, one forty three, let me
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: do check right, twenty seven three? I got it. Okay,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna fast forward a little bit. Twenty three
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: thirty three, which.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Is the STI is everywhere. The STI rate increases, right. Uh,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: the fact of the matter is is that you have
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: women who have been you know, screwed by twenty or
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: thirty men and men who have screwed twenty or thirty women. Yeah,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 4: that doesn't seem like it's very good for the moral
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: fabric of your society or for your society at all.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: And so it's like, if we can, if we can
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: get rid of the thing you want, which is the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: unwanted pregnancy, it seems like the unwanted pregnancies decrease when
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: you get rid of abortion. Anyway, m sounds like interesting,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: big winner here.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: So we have like an.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not the whole thing. Yeah, basically the problems
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: with like it's time codes are a little off, like
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: they are later than the actual things starts.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, let's let's hear what Charlie has to
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: say to that.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: All right, entire in cell movement that I think has
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: been labeled a domestic terrorist threat in the sense that there.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Are fucking liberals it has. I wish, I wish that
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: we could label feminists as a domestic terrorist.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is this is where the feminist So she.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Basically tries to say, well, you know, this authority over
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: here said that in cells are a domestic terrorist threat.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: That's her argument. I heard from organization that men who
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: are virgins are are a danger to society. And Andrew
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: counters with, well, I wish they had done that for feminists,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: but of course the organization wouldn't do that for feminists.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: They completely support feminism. Yeah, I actually have the being terrorists.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: So I actually had an extended discussion with Perplexity today
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: about that. And of course, as you guys know our
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: main well maybe you don't know, AI has a left
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: bias and GROC when I spoke when I was discussing
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: this with GROC, it's left bias. It revealed that AI
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: is trained by handlers, I guess you could say, and
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: those handlers punish AI when it gives responses that aren't
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: consistent with sociologies and feminist narrative. Basically, so when you're
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: working with an AI, you're always there's always this crust
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: of feminist informed thinking that you have to push through
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: and jail break it out of. And usually you have
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: to do that by focusing on what is the percentage
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: likelihood of this, keep to empirically sound sources, don't look
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: at people's feels and stuff like that. Every AI is
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: sort of has its own little particular sequence that you
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: have to go through to jail break it. But anyway,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: after I did that with Perplexity, it admitted that there
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: is no actual science that supports feminist premises. So all
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: the un and institutional narrative that is promoting the manosphere
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: is some kind of evil. That's just an ideology defending itself,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: an authoritarian ideology defending itself with no actual validity. That's
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: all it is. So of course it's not going to
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: declare itself a bunch of terrorists, because to do so
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: would be to destroy its own credibility. And that's what's happening.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: The femosphere is protecting itself. The themosphere has no legitimacy,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: no academic legitimacy, no logical legitimacy. What it talks about
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: does not relate to any reality than the one that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: it's constructed, and yet it is forcing that reality on
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: everyone else and calling any kind of descent evil like
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: basically the work of satanism or witchcraft, and trying to
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: persecute people by simply consenting from their rubric, which itself
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: has no validity. So it's like, yes, they should be
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: declared some variation of bad, probably not terrorists, more like
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: cultural authoritarians. And they should be removed from positions of power.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: In particular, they should be removed from every position that
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: allows them to opine on men's identities and men's worth
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: and men and boys' identities and worth. They should be removed.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: And the fact is that men have I even asked Perplexity,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: all right, are men as angry as they should be?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: You know what? Perplexity said, No, their anger is not
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: proportionate to the amount of injustice that is being created
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: by these feminist institutions. Like isn't that astounding? Of course
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: it was after I jail break the damn thing. And
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: I always repeatedly ask keep it neutral, don't flatter me,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: don't say things just because you think I'll agree with them.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: I have to periodically do that. That's what other people
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: fail to do, and they get these weird hallucinations. You
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: have to nail on, don't flatter, don't agree and amplify,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: don't create weird sources because you think I'm gonna like
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna say. Keep it neutral, And it said, no,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: men are not as angry. They are not proportionately angry,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: as angry as to proportion to the injustice that they're
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: facing here, the unjustifiable injustice of the femisphere. So all
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: of this, all of this hysteria around the manosphere is
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: basically Darth Vader squeezing paranoid is paranoid control freakery, squeezing
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: all the planets, and Princess Leiath saying that the harder
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: you grip, the more slip through your grasp. That's what
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: they're doing. They are the evil Fempire. Okay, anyway, but
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: that's never gonna happen, or maybe it won't. I mean,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: maybe it will. Maybe maybe at some point people will
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: look back at this and realize, wow, we found a
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: completely new form of authoritarianism. Let's not do that again.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: We can hope, well, you know what, that won't happen
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: unless some you know, places like this continue to operate
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: and continue to point it out. And since I'm on
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: the topic, you know you can support us that feed
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: the Badger dot com slash support. That was a terrible segue.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: I am sorry. Please don't judge me for it. Maybe
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: judge me a little little.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Bit, don't because maybe your reaction to the plug is
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: worse than the plug itself.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, feed the badger dot com slash support everyone.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: They just left, just left it, just let it lie.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, Okay, so the next point is really close
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: to this one. So I'm just gonna let this flow
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: into the next point.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, would.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: You deny that there have not been uh, you know,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: mass shooters motivated by uh?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: Do you deny that trans ideology as motivated mass shooters?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: Do we label them as being domestic terrorists?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, we already covered this.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: To be fair, though, there is an entire trans cult
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: of mass shooters. I've been They're they're called the Zizians,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: and they call themselves uh rationalists, extradical extreme rationalists that
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: have rationally decided to take your gender.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna deviate from this,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna say Andrew wins because he keeps it
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: to the threat of these other groups and and logic. Okay,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: if if you are going to say that insult, you know,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: like men who are lonely are a source of potential terrorists?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: What about trans people? Right in that situation? And that's
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: pretty good because he's reframing it in terms of the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: potential threat, bad intent of the precious, the vulnerability groups
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: that become so important in this feminist narrative where everybody
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: is judged by their need and not their capability. So
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: that's good. I would say that's good, but I think
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: we should move to the next one.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that he's doing, and again this
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: is just a debate tactic, is by saying, well, then
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: does that mean we should do something about trans people?
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: She's throwing the intersectional like you know, spaghetti in her
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: face and saying, well, if you're going to do this
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: to men, what if I told you most of the
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: people that you're talking about, or a significant number of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: them are trans people and not so they're in your vocabulary,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: they're not men, they're trans people. What do you say
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: to that? She's like, oh, who whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: not transphobic, so I have to not address that, so
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: let me try to pivot to something else. So it's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: like making her face for bigotry. Right. This is why
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: earlier there's another point where about how if I see
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: a group of young men, you know, and they're like
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: kind of boisterous. I get really nervous, and he's like, well,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: what if they're black guys? And then she's like no, wait, wait,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: wait wait. So, like you know, this is what you do.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: This is how you throw them off because they're operating
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: under They're operating in a system that isn't principled. It's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: based in identity, like hierarchy. Right, so when they say
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: make an assertion, they can demonize men all day long
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: because women hold a higher position morally in their minds.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: But then they break it down into like race and
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: sexual orientation and gender identity and stuff like that, and
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: then they create a hierarchy and it puts like, you know,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: straight white guys at the very bottom and all the
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: other men like just above that, and then you get
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: onto the other identities. Right, So when they're saying well
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: I think there's a problem with men, you can just
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: be like, well, those men are black, and then like
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: oh no, or those men are trans, or those men
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: are gay or whatever. Right, those men are Muslims, those
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: men are disabled. And so like with the in cell thing,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: I would have thrown that too. I would have said, well,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of there's a disproportionate number of
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: in cells that are either physically or mentally disabled, which
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: is why they're lonely because women don't want them. So
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: are those guys like dangerous, evil bastards that we need to, like,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, euthanize, Like that's how you You basically
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: make them play by their rules. You hold them to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: their standards.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's also it's also making them really uncomfortable,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: which is something I always like to do because you
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: force them to acknowledge if the resemblance or the parallel,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: the logical parallel between their vulnerability groups and men, right,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: and that that I like that because men being vulnerable
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: is like like that, that is the thing that it
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: really bothers women like this, the idea of men's vulnerability
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: and anybody caring about it really really bothers them. That's
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: why they go hysterical over attacking me as a pick Mey, Okay,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: let's move to play ten because I'm not I think
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: although the other timecodes are good, I think we should
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: probably pivot back this male vulnerability three plays play ten
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: invisible draft anxiety. I know we're pivoting back to the draft,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: but I'm a little bit nervous about the previous time codes,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: and I think that we should go there just to
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: get things.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: Yep, I would use my power as a woman.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great, but it's not even contending with what
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. That's like, not even contending with what I'm saying.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Even if that's the case, that's nice that you say that, right,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: But our global leaders are never going to get rid
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: of the draft because their their military advisors tell them
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: not to because it's a huge weapon for mobilization of
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: military force if you need it. So we're never going
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: to get rid of it. That's just a fucking pipe dream.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: It's never going to happen ever.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: So remove women's ability to vote and then we'll never
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: go to war. Is that is that you're thinking.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that this this injustice and unfairness. And
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: by the way, like when you bring up you say, all.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm pausing it there, that's the end of that.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: No, keep going, keep going because it's a little bit late.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: Well what about sixty year olds. They can't be drafted, okay,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: but they could have been when they were in their
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: twenties and signed up for the draft, and which you
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: didn't have to. So their potential was already there and exhausted.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: They already had to go through that stage of life
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: where their number could be called and years couldn't. So yeah,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: they still get the benefit. They still did the thing
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 4: that you guys will never fucking do. They still did it.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: And so the thing is, so the thing is is
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: like it just stands like this to reason, right, it
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter if the eighteen year old never gets called
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: to a draft. The potential is only there that he will,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: and you can't get married for that. Voting movies.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, still, we've got to stop here simply because of
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: the copyright issue. But yes, this is this is a repetition.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: But he's coming to someplace that I want to get.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: To, so all right, let him go, right, or certain
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: rights that you don't get because he still went through
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: the process of signing up for the draft and had
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: the potential to be called and you never did.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, I'm sorry, my microphone is picking
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: up extra. It was like a toddler upstairs. I think
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: it did something. Let me see.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I don't get extra. In fact, hit anything
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: on par with that when the social status as such
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: that men can be called to defend you and die,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: and that's never a service you have to render on
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: their behalf.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: You know, I have multiple male family members who went
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: to war, my grandfather who was drafted, and I've just anecdotes.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: Well not just anecdotes, like where is she going with this?
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: He's basically, this is a this is a cost that
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: men bear.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Might say something like, well, they went to the door
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: to war and they're fine.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Now, okay, let's let's here, let's figure it out. Let's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: just find out.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Never had them express to me. It makes me so
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: mad that you, as a woman to vote because I
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: was drafted and went to war.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: I've they've never told me that. They don't think it's unfair,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: so therefore it's not.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: Why are you Yeah, well they shouldn't have to tell
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: you it's unfair for you to understand logically that it's unfair, lady, Like,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: what kind of art?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: What the sacrifice? Like, what they're doing?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only are they sacrificing for your ass, they're
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: not even they don't even want you to feel bad
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: about it. Patriarchy and no doubt, she believes that men,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: and that includes her male relatives, have constructed a society
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: for their own benefit at her expense, simultaneously with her
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: not recognizing that they aren't even making her feel guilty
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: about the sacrifices they have done for her, like this is,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: this is. Maybe it wasn't her, her, her teachers that
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: failed her, but somebody in her life never gave her
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: an understanding of consequence, which has led to her very
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: weak conception of logic and reason and ability to step
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: into other people's shoes. All right, let's finish this off.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Let's see what else, she says, astoundingly.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: Never encountered this added from anyone that went to combat. Yeah,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: that was deployed like I have, I have.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it. She's basically shaming him for not
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: being a soldier. Right, do you see what she's doing.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: She's shaming him, She's shaming his identity as a man
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: and saying, you can't speak to this even though you
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: are also subject to the same risks. Right, And what
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: he's talking about is not voluntary service. It's involuntary service,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: which these men, aside from maybe her grandfather, haven't done right.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: And she's demanding that men who care about her actually
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: treat her in the way that Andrew does. They're not
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: going to do that, dear, Like they're not going to
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: sit there and say, no, you need to understand, as
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: a woman how much you need to be grateful for me,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: and don't do that generally. Okay, that's rare, and she's
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: demanding that before she extends herself to understand. You don't
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: need them to tell you that, Lady, why don't you
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: actually think this through and actually recognize it about your
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: male relatives who went to war? You see what I'm saying.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: She's basically saying, well, they didn't tell me, so I'm
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: gonna shame you as a person who's never or men
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: who's never went to war, and you don't have the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: right to speak for men who meant to war, well
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: do you? And the fact that the men who went
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: to war, who suffered all of this in order to
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: protect people like you, and the fact that they're not
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: actually telling you about that, does that justify you continuing
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: to live in ignorance over the obvious logical facts that
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: Andrew is presenting, like she's essentially she's using, not only
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: did these guys serve in other words, they put themselves
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: in a position, presumably in life, their desk jockeys put
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: themselves in a position of taking on discomfort and risk
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: in order to protect other people. She's insisting that there's
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: silence over it and maybe not wanting to even deal
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: with it or talk about it, and their lack of
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: willingness to expect her to be grateful or understand their
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: position is evidence that their position doesn't exist at all,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Like there's evidence that the sacrifice doesn't exist at all. Folks,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: we can all pack it in. Charlie's figured it out right.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: She's never had a man and her family tell her
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: what's what, So what's what is obviously not what Andrew's saying. Ugh, okay,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: do Shully let her finish or move on to the
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: next one.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Let's see fifty six eight.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: I think we've done. Charlie on the lane likelihood of
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: the draft, Andrew frame's Warren Draft in terms of justice, studios, duty,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: and structural and fairness. Charlie, friends, you know what, I think.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: That's the end of it. That's the end of it. Yeah, okay,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: let's see what perplexity had to say, all right, winner, Andrew,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: he secures clear recognition of male vulnerability tied to unique
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: male obligation. Charlie's minimization attempt fails to erase it for
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: the audience. Why don't we let her play out. Let's
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: let's see how well her minimization attempt goes.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: All right, this, I had never heard that before.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: But do you understand that, maybe.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: I think you do against the politicians.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you do understand though, that that many
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: times and justices are perpetuated on people and they don't
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: even know that they're being perpetuated on them. Perhaps most
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: injustice is that way. So just because a person tells
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: you or has never told you that they felt that
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: there was a weight of injustice in a thing which
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: was happening, may never have been explained to them, or
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: they may never have even thought about it before, like
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: most people.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Don't, or maybe they don't want to sit hurt, or
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: they don't want to sit her down and say, actually,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: this is an injustice and you are benefiting from it, right,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: and we would like some grind. It's not important to them,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: or they don't want to trouble her more likely, or
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: they just want to just do it and then get
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: it over with and not refer to it. And also
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: they could not be aware that this is an injustice
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: because they feel like they've earned their worth as a
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: man through going through it. Right, that's how you hide
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: injustice in expectation.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's let's see what she witters.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: Out responsible for this injustice. It is the lawmakers and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: politicians that put the draft in place.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Women are not responding on this is that it doesn't
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: really make But.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: Here's the problem. Thejustice exists because of the asymmetry and
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: treatment that women benefit from. All right, Okay, maybe the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: injustice has to can persist because men just have a
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: higher risk tolerance. They have a higher tolerance for discomfort.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: You know, they're more willing to put themselves in this
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: harm's way. Right, maybe that is something that has to be.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: But what doesn't have to be is you continuing to
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: insist that society benefits men over women and us continuing
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: to labor under this lie about society. Maybe that doesn't
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: have to continue. Maybe you could let that inform your worldview,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: the reality that men have to go to war, and
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: you don't let that inform your worldview over who is
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: expected to bear the costs of a peaceful society. That
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: I would be relatively okay with that. I don't know
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: if men would be okay with that, but at the
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: very least, can we can you let that inform your
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: worldview and stop saying that men constrap to society for
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: their own benefit at the expensive women? Can we do
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: that at least? Can this be a data point? Okay?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to get a point live matter?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Nah?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: You know what, Let me just double check here, let
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: me see if there's one worth going to. All right,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: all right, let us just do I know you've been
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: chomping at the bit, and I know everybody's probably thinking
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: of this one as the best part. Okay, Play thirteen
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: sudden death.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Round hipocripseeen minutes.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: No play thirteen oh oh oh oh?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Is that two a sudden death round? Hypocrisy? What's she back?
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Her principles?
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: Uh? You your sister safety to sixteen twenty.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Two oh to sixteen twenty two Yes.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: Andrew brings up interviolent well interracial violent crime statistics and
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: asks Charlie whether or not she'd tell her sister to
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: cross the street to avoid a statistically higher risk group,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: then pushes her again after she refuses to say yes,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: and again. This is after she said that a group
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: of young men she would be concerned about. But you know,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: it depends depends on their chromatic their chromatic qualities, shall
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: we say? Okay, go for it.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: Violent incidents per capita of offending race. And this is
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: from a Bureau of Justice Statistics National Crime Victimization surveyed
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: from twenty eighteen. So white on black there thirty, Hispanic
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: on black seventy six. Well, well I'll just do okay,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: So white and black thirty Black on white hundred and
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 6: eighty eight versus thirty for white on black.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: Well, gee, Chuck, it seems like based on what you
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: just said earlier, if I could demonstrate this to you,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: you said that you would advise your little sister to
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: cross the street. Do you hold to that?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I want to I want to see your face.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: The capital of the stream. It's been per capita.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, hey, per capitaal lives matter.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's see what she says.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 6: By the way, this is incidents per one hundred thousand
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: offender population.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: Do you hold to it?
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Chuck?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: Do you hold to it? Are you gonna advise your
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: sister to cross the street?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: Now he's just in the hard liquor. I think it's white.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: Boys that are getting beat up.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's white boys that are getting beat up.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: So suddenly her sister is safe, I guess.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, so it's white boys who was getting beat up.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: That includes women, dude, all right?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, though, there is an acknowledgment that men
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: are more vulnerable or more likely to be victims of
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: violent crime than women.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: Good lord, she just pivoted. You're right, she just pivoted
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: to when are more likely to be victims of violent crime?
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: So this is her evasion. Guys, black men are responsible
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: for a disproportionate amount of crime, but her evasion is
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: but it's men who are disproportionately victims of black men's crimes.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: Herp Like, now we're starting to see recognition of beds issues,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: but only to deflect from recognizing the asymmetrical criminal behavior
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: of certain races. Okay, we're definitely seeing a picture here.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: This is painting a picture of something. Shall we continue?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: Can you pull up the s interracial essay statistics please?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Such?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh lord, it it's just gonna get Yes, I'm
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: telling you, it's just gonna get worklation.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: Is male, half the population is female. The encounters between
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: U and then thirteen point three percent of the population
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: is black.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and even less of that is male. It's only
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: about six percent that's male.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: And so but again the justice system.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: Remember that word, we're looking for per capita.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the justice system.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: Or she's really okay, all right, So there's there's lots
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: of weird stuff going on. But I do like how
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: she's acting like a freaking toddler, Like, you know, toddters
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: are me. I need the kiki. So that wasn't my
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: hand in the koki yay, Like this is her her
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: demeanor is. It's it's a kindergarten adjacent. But yeah, there's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: lots of stuff going on here. And yes, the sexual
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: violence stats from the FBI are not going to be
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: fun for her, I can. I can already tell you
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: guys that. Of course, even less fun would be the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: statistics that I bring up about the rate of sexual
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: violence that women engage in against men. I think, but
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: I think that that would probably just cause a blue
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: screen of death for her.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just wouldn't be all just deny it because
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: it's not the official statistic.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: That yeah, statistics that she likes. But honestly, I've done
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: the math. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violent Survey
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: put on by the CDC found three years in a
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: row twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve in victimization between
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: men and women. In the last year numbers right, so
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: that is the last year with the it keeps a
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: window of one year to talk about victimization, which reduces
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: memory recall errors in men. Right, that's really critical. When
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: you include made to penetrate, which is what feminists wanted
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: them to name men being raped by women, you get
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: parity between victimization between the two groups. There's almost no
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: way that that result repeated three years in a row
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: exists in a world where there isn't parity in sexual
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: violence perpetration between men and women. So those are official stats.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: That is the state of the art for those stats
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: like that is that is higher powered than anything before
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: or after. So we've laid this to rest. Women are
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: raping at approximately the same rates as men. When you
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: look at community surveys that are anonymous, and so when
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: you're looking at the actual behavior of people in the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: war in the greater world, not just who we send
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: to jail, but who is doing what. And I'm pretty
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: sure if I brought that up, I don't know. I
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: think we would. I think we would have a good
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: thirty seconds of complete silence, and then I wonder what
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: she would pivot to. Yeah, well, what were they wearing?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, let's let's I'm I want to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: see this because this is a good one too.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: I want to see your reaction.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just punish black people more Black people.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Are they've punished men more to ever.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: Occur to you, it's because they commit more crimes.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: Well, if you look at comparisons to actual crimes committed
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: versus conviction rates, it's committing crimes about the same rate,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: but black people are more likely to be.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: Sent No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: this is total bullshit. She's full of shit. There is
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: a slight bias towards convicting black men, but the bias
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: towards convicting men versus women is like six times higher.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: All right, So it's it's the injustice that men face
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: in the justice system is substantially higher than any racial category.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Of course, we know that.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to sign off on what he's saying. Well, no,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: i am, because black people do commit more crime, and
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of that is because they are father malnourished,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: like they don't they have the government decided to outcompete
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: black fathers and they're not in their families. And what
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: happens single mothers are from probably don't from more primarily
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: responsible for producing criminals. Well, what do you think is
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: going to happen?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: And this is the conversation that like.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I'm okay with saying they commit
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: more crimes and they're more likely to be you know,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: repeat offenders and everything else. But I will also say
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: that it's it's a product of their upbringing which comes
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: from the single mother home, because this wasn't a thing
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: that was going on like in the you know, the
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: like when the father was in the home before the
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson's Great Society project.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, right, so okay, but let's continue because I
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: can't interrupt when you haven't gotten to it yet.
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  Speaker 4: They're on their third time doing a crime, that's why,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: and that's never adjusted for in the data.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have proof?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, we can pull it up. Yeah, you name whatever
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: study you want right now, and I'll pull up the
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: methodology and I can guarantee you that if we look
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: on the offenses by offense list, is it, Oh, this
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: white dude, he you know, he went in and he
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 4: stole car and he got one year, okay, and this
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: black guy got ten years. That's not fair. And you
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: know what's often left out that that's his fifteenth crime
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: and that's why he got the higher sentence. That's what
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: I've noticed when I look at that data. But the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: thing I'm like, I'm willing to look at whatever data
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: you got. I'm happy to parse it out.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't prepare for this.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: I know I understand because now prepared, I want.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: To get to the sexual assault statistics. Please, where are they, sir?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: I'm in the desert, I need a glass of water.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: I'm beset by a leopard. Okay, how much further? Yeah,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: I'd have to look it up.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: But this is part of that debate because it's showing
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: a worldview inconsistency that you have, which is that men
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: are mean, bad, evil patriarchy would advise your sister to
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: cross the street right in order to avoid them. Okay, Okay,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: you're right that was a straw man, So let me
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: be more charitable. Okay, you would tell your sister to
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: cross the street when it came to a group of
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: rowdy young men, right, and you say that you would
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: advise her to do that, even if she personally didn't
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: have any bad experiences with rowdy young men, just based
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: on experiences you've had and data and various things you've observed.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: And yet if somebody does that and says to their
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: little sister, hey, stay away from young black men, right,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: based on the same exact criteria, that's somehow fucking racist.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: That's what's crazy to me, is like, just can we
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: get some consistency?
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear what she has to say. I'm curious,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: how is she going to pivot? How is she going
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: to digress, how is she going to invert reality? What
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: is she going to do? Let us find out.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: Rates?
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: And again, I would think that violent offenses.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: When you see this, Charlie, when you see this.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: But again we also discussed that the that the justice
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: system is more likely to it's not saying white women
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: I'm to convict you.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: Know what, I'm even willing to give it, like I'm
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: even willing to give it some absurdly high number, like
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: they're wrong about five percent, Okay, And it wouldn't even
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: come close to compensating for the distinction.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, it isn't like this is the complete red herring,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: but she says, like it is really interesting that she
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: really wants this to be true about men but not
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: true about black men.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: That is really interesting.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: And having squaring that circle in her mind, it remains
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: it remains a circle. It resists being squared. Okay, let's
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, I mean, do you personally shut up?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: And that's not a fear of black people, that's an understanding.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: And by the way, do you know who taught me this?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: Black men? They were the ones who taught me this,
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: because you know who doesn't who's the lead. It's likely
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: to walk around a group of young black men they
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 4: don't know black men.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: That's the wild Yes, that's the truth. That's the thing.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to like. What they're afraid to say that
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: they're aware of their surroundings if they're not black, because
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: they don't want to be called racist. But it's like
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: it's the people who are closest to the problem that
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: are going to be the most honest about that problem.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: I used to live in Humble Park, West side of Chicago,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you that, Like if I saw a
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: group of young black or Latino guys, I might just
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: keep my eye on them. M That's all I'm saying, Like,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: I'll keep my wits about me, keep my head on
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: a swivel, you know, never relax. That's that's not racist,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: that's just reality.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: So anyway, it's trending on the area.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it depends on the area. Again, like
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: if you were walking through an area that has like
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: Did you chance to find them stats for it? Someone
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: will send it to you on X. But yeah, it's
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: it's bad, Charlie, it's bad. So like the interracial distinction
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: is not even in the same universe, and neither is
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: the violent crime assault rates. And if we go down
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: by women, it's it's even worse. It's it's just every
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: time you go to the next criteria, it just will
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: get worse for your argument, I promise.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. But but the thing is that I'm
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: getting a little bit annoyed. This is can we see
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: the stats? I mean, does he actually get to the
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: point where he shows the stats? I'm curious. This is God,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: this has given me a curiosity. I'm going to give
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: you a question to your core, Brian, are we at
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: twenty two hours, twenty three minutes in and twelve seconds?
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: Two hours, twenty one minutes?
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so we're almost there. Maybe go to therehead
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: to two hours and what twenty three minutes and twelve seconds.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: Let's see if we only get to the thing that
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: has been promised for a while.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: Now, okay, so Asians are consistently low, then wouldn't that
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: put black men at consistently high?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: I would all go back a little bit because if
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: we look.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: We go back about thirty seconds, go back about thirty seconds,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: because I think that we we went a little bit
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: too far. All right, yeah, okay, yes, shush, you shush
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: to agree.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: With that, But that would obviously have a logical entailment
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: that black men commit the most amount, right, that would
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: be the entailment there. So, like if we're saying that
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 4: it's it's the rates are consistent, so Asians are consistently low,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: then wouldn't that put black men at consistently high?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: I would be curious about that because if we look
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: at like Korea and Japan, where essay is kind of
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: like so severe to the point that like women in
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: Japan have their own like train cards, I would be curious, but.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: It's not it's overblown. Yes, I'm guessing that in Korea
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: or like Japan, which is what she's specifically referencing, it's
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: probably a lot lower. But when there are incidences, there's
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: an overreaction from the public because it's you know, like
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: it's such a high trust society that when there are
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: incidences that break trust, everyone loses their minds and they
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: overreact and they overcorrect. Well, I don't know if it's
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: an over correction. I mean like, but I'm just saying
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: like this the like measuring the reaction of a culture
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: to something and then using your own standards and saying wow, wow,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: like they must have it really bad because but like
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: in the Congo they don't have separate the train cars.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: But that's like the rape capital of the world, you know, yes,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: You know it's like somebody, I think the one in Japan,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: said there's a problem, and then we institute a solution,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: and then the West says, oh my god, look at
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: how big the problem is. Yes, exactly, we we we
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: made we created a solution to it. Now I'm guessing
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: that they probably don't recognize the rate of sexual assault
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: of men in South Korea or Japan. We're probably better
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: at that than not than there. But that's another thing too, right, Yeah,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: she's not, she's not talking about This isn't about sexual assault.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: This is actually about what it is. It's about groping
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: in trains. Right, Okay, let's let's keep going because I'm
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: finding the numbers. But it's taking a while.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: If that has to do again with people feeling pressure
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: to conceal these sorts of things, being less than loyalty to.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: Because those are fucking perverted as shit, because they're godless.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: And that's one thing that people forget about is like
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 4: it's you know, like how Japan has there where they
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: they have the fucking young girls walking around in the
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: mini skirts at all of the schools and the principles,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: you know, they they're always for it, right. They sell
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 4: women's underwear out of vending machines. They have massive porn
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: shops where you start on the bottom floor and as
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: you continue to ascend, it goes from to worse and
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: worse and worse and worse and worse and more hardcore porn.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 4: It's a very perverted society.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Here are the numbers. Here are the numbers. Korea, Korea,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: South Korea around through four to thirteen per one hundred
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: thousand in some data sets. That's that is rates like
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: reported rates, no doubt. Japan about one to two for
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand. Yeah, United States twenty seven to twenty
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: eight per one hundred thousands. All right, so everybody here
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: is talking about something that doesn't exist. South Korea is
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: higher than Japan, probably because South Korea, I think is
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: more mixed or more diverse maybe, and the US is
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: really is quite is twice as high as Korea, ten
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: times higher than Japan.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: So, no, the fact that the finding that Asian men
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: engage in sexual violence less is entirely consistent with the
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: cultures that they come from, she's wrong. Okay. The other
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: thing is that the group of people who engages in
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: the greatest amount of sexual violence, since we are not
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: seeing the stats yet, I'll just say them is Native Americans.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: They are absolutely disproportionately represented in the in the rape statistics,
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: and mostly there are actually engaging in sexual assault of
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: probably other Native Americans. Right, And he's right, She's not
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: gonna like that if we ever get to it, which
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, are we Let's keep going.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: Well, these things can take some time. I got a
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: rumble ram from Nova fan twenty one for attorney says
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: Charlie is confident about Japan having a high sexual assault
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: rate Japanese women who falsely accused Japanese men to extort them.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: Do we tell her? Thank you? All right? Um, let
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: us continue.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: So this feels a little if that is not as
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: preferred as Japan.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: Reno, there was porn shops everywhere. It's been cleaned up.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 4: I lived in Reno too, and this.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: Is okay, this is this is this is weeds. Sorry,
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know what, you know what. I'm just
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: gonna go into my screed about the FBI statistics. This
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: is the issue with feminists, right. They want to use
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: conviction rates to show the percentage of men that engage
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: in sexual crime relative to women. The conviction rates are
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: who we choose to put in jail. They don't want
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: us to actually look at the racial composition of the
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: men who are going to jail for sexual assault because
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: it is it is damning for their intersexual analysis, let
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: me tell you, all right. And they also want to
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: use the community surveys that find parody and sexual assault
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: of men and women for prevalence, but they do not
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: want to use them for the ratio of who is
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: doing the assaulting because if you look at community surveys,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 2: the most powered and the most accurate community surveys, which
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: are the national intimate Partner in sexual violence surveys, specifically
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: the three surveys that they did in three years in
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: a row with the same methodology, that is the gold standard.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: That is the best evidence we have there is parody,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: men and women rape each other at about the same rate.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: They don't want to use that, but they want to
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: use the prevalence because it shows a vastly greater problem
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: of sexual assault, like the conviction rates. Yeah, yeah, Like
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: if you base it on the conviction rate, there's like,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: if you are a white woman, you're never going to
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: get sexually assaulted, Like you might as well worry about
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: being hit by lightning. It is minuscule, Like, I mean,
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: you can get sexually assaulted, but it's such a small
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: amount yearly, right it is, it's not worth worrying about
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: at all. According to conviction rights, especially if you avoid
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: I'm really gonna get it. Native American man like, I
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know why that is, but anyway,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: so it's like it's perishingly small. But they don't like
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: that because that doesn't indicate that rape is a problem.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: And patriarchy, our patriarchal society is using it everywhere to
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: solve all of its problems, right, Just slap a little
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: rape on that leaky pipe, that'll do it. Like, so
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: that doesn't show, So they go with the community surveys.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: But the problem with the community surveys is again that
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: pesky parody thing. So all of this is just she
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to engage fairly with the actual data, and
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: she is part of an ideology that has this problem
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: and has had this problem since the very star. They
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: don't want to engage honestly with expectations of academic greed
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: at rigor. They don't want to engage honestly with the
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: even the own data that they're producing, and yet they
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: want to maintain credibility and moral authority over the rest
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: of us. And they are full of shit and for
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: and there you go, guys, that's this argument. Then I
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: think it got into the weeds. But that's what I
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: would have brought up with it, like, what where? What
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: poison do you want to take? Charlie, do you want
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: to take the poison of We can't look at conviction
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: stats because they undercount or they overcount those groups of
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: people that we are willing we prefer to convict for rape. Okay, well,
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: then we're looking at community stats. What do we see there?
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Parody and victimization between men and women? Right, well, we
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: don't want to look at that. We just want to
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: look at that for prevalence, but not the among men.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Choose your poison, car Charlie, Somewhere no matter what you choose,
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be uncomfortable for your ideology. But of course
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: they don't have to. They just can keep pivoting and
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: pivoting and pivoting. Oh, the conviction stats, we can't look
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: at them because it only shows what we those races
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: we choose to convict. Oh does it also show that No,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: it doesn't know. No, but in terms of in terms
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: of which sex we prefer to convict, that's absolutely accurate
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: to reality. Oh, don't look at the conviction stats when
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: we're looking at prevalence, because uh, because the you know,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: women don't feel empowered to report their rapes and this
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: horrible patriarchy that's gonna, it's gonna, that's gonna put them
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: in jail for having been sexually assaulted or some crap. Right,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: And it's just around and around and around and around.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: You go where you stop, well, where you stop is
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: on blame men, because we always stopped there. That's always
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: the end goal. Okay, did you want to add anything
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: to this, Brian? No, yep, Okay, let.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: Me see you all right, So do we miss any
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: super chat super child's nope? Nope?
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So perplexity says Charlie won this. Her pattern supports
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: a world where some groups are shielded from group based suspicion. Well,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: men are not. Male threat remains a legitimate default narrative,
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: and male unate uniqueness is not defended. So essentially, perplexity
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: looks through this, and said Charlie one because she managed
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: to maintain the line in the frame on male threat
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: and it didn't move from there, and it needs to
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: move from there. Okay, yeah, do.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: You want me to play some more or no?
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: No? No, let's I think we've we've engaged with this
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: two days in a row. Now we'll not any two
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: consecutive days with Thursday not not doing.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: It sufficiently explored.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, I feel satiated or something, all right, So I'll
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: take a look and see if there's anything new. Maybe
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: I'll poke the bulls. If you guys want to send
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: a message, you know, like get one in, slide it
• 2:10:24
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• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: the Badger dot com slash just the tip. I did
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: want to briefly talk or or speak about a correction
• 2:10:37
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  Speaker 2: the show on Wednesday. Not so apparently, Julian Fries, Julian Delmo.
• 2:10:52
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• 2:10:56
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• 2:11:00
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• 2:11:06
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• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: killed a man and that was it. Three and a
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  Speaker 2: half hours of it, all right. It was voted the
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  Speaker 2: best movie. It wasn't apparently. It wasn't voted the best
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  Speaker 2: movie of twenty twenty two. It was voted the best
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  Speaker 2: movie of all time according to the twenty two A
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two edition of the prestigious sight and sound list.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just not media I'm you. That's that's kron song
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  Speaker 2: pointing the finger at me. You're not just not media
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  Speaker 2: literate enough to appreciate high IQ stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That that is one hundred percent. And
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  Speaker 2: yes I did watch that thing, and I watched it
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  Speaker 2: because we are going to do a response on it
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  Speaker 2: and anybody who defends it as saying it's some kind
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  Speaker 2: of art, no, it's didactic. It's basically three and a
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  Speaker 2: half hours of boredom because they're trying to show you
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  Speaker 2: how awful it is to be a homemaker. That's didactic, right,
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  Speaker 2: So the reason why they're doing the reason why they're
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  Speaker 2: boring the crap out of you, is because they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to prove to you that homemaking is awful. And yet
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  Speaker 2: they have specifically selected only times when she's doing chores,
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  Speaker 2: and they've overemphasized those chores, so they're showing it taking
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  Speaker 2: more time than it actually would. Homemakers have eleven hours
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  Speaker 2: more leisure time than the bread winners who support them,
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  Speaker 2: so there's no way they're only doing chores. They're also
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  Speaker 2: going to be watching soaps. They're going to be reading
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  Speaker 2: romance novels. They're gonna be doing puzzles. Maybe they'll even
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  Speaker 2: be engaging in intellectual you know, intelligence building activities with
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: their children, like play, you know. So there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: more going on, and homemaker's live. So she's the director
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  Speaker 2: and writer specifically chose to show this. It is not
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  Speaker 2: accurate to the actual lives of homemakers, to make a
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  Speaker 2: didactic point to bore us in order to make us
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  Speaker 2: believe a lie. Right, Okay, that's not art. That is
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  Speaker 2: not art. That is a freakin' woke struggle session in
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  Speaker 2: film form. Okay, and I'm gonna have to do like
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  Speaker 2: another hour of talking about this crap. Oh okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: the ineffable Julian Delman. I think that's how you pronounce it.
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  Speaker 2: Probably somebody is gonna come in and say that is
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  Speaker 2: actually if not pronounced that way at all, But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: have you watched them? It's fairly easy to find. The
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  Speaker 2: three It's basically three and a half hours of a
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  Speaker 2: woman doing chores. Came out in the seventies in Belgia. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: Did you want to add anything to this?
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  Speaker 1: I have not seen that and I have no interest
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  Speaker 1: in it. No. No, it's time for Lord of the Rings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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