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Speaker 1: The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast is a production of I
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Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
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Speaker 1: the world around us and how very excited we are
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Speaker 1: about them. I'm arial casting and with me as always
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Speaker 1: is beloved friend and co host Jonathan Strickland. Hey, there's
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Speaker 1: space cadet. I got a question for you. What is
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Speaker 1: your favorite score, not soundtrack, but score or theme music
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Speaker 1: for a sci fi or fantasy film or series. The
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Speaker 1: Return of the King soundtrack, so the the the music
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Speaker 1: from the Lord of the Rings, or just the Return
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Speaker 1: of the King in general. Wait, when you say to
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Speaker 1: the game, do you mean the rank and Bass Return
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Speaker 1: of the King or do you mean the Peter Jackson
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Speaker 1: return of the game? Peter Jackson returned to the King,
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Speaker 1: and mainly because Billy Boyd as Pippin sings his song
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Speaker 1: in it Um, which is just a beautiful song and
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Speaker 1: he performs it beautifully. Um. I like the music from
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Speaker 1: the entire trilogy, but I think if I had to
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Speaker 1: pick one, that would be my favorite. Okay, that's a
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Speaker 1: it's a good piece. I think that that score in
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Speaker 1: general is very strong, strong enough so that I was
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Speaker 1: excited to hear it when I started watching The Hobbit.
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Speaker 1: And then I actually started watching the Hobbit, and then
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Speaker 1: the all excitement drained away and I fell asleep, as
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Speaker 1: Okay said multiple times, So then what is your favorite score?
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Speaker 1: What an unfair question to ask me, Ariel, I love Jesus, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So if I well, I mean, like, just because you
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Speaker 1: play it doesn't mean you love it. Uh. I think
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Speaker 1: my favorite this is This is one of those questions
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Speaker 1: where I think, and I think it's probably true for
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Speaker 1: you too, areal, where depending on what day you get
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Speaker 1: asked the question, you might have a different answer. Because
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Speaker 1: obviously I mean, I love John Williams music. Right, So
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Speaker 1: I love I love Like, I love Jaws, I love
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Speaker 1: Star Wars, Raisers, Lost, Dark Close Encounts of the Third
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Speaker 1: Kind He's done so much. I also love Danny Elfman's music.
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Speaker 1: I love things like the music to Beetlejuice and uh
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Speaker 1: and things like that, or even Peewee's Big Adventure like
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Speaker 1: going old School. But if I have to pick one
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Speaker 1: kind of sci fi or fantasy, I'm gonna throw superheroes
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Speaker 1: in there. The uh, the the score for the nineteen
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Speaker 1: Superman movie Bom Bom Bom Bump Bump. That still gets
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Speaker 1: me pumped, like so much so that when I heard
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Speaker 1: it referenced in the small Ville show, I got choked up,
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Speaker 1: which was ridiculous for me to get choked up while
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Speaker 1: watching small Ville. It was because I think the first
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Speaker 1: time they played it on that show, they had just
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Speaker 1: one acoustic guitar plunking get out on what on? Just
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Speaker 1: a couple of strings, right, But it was so powerful
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Speaker 1: for me. So for me, music is one of those
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Speaker 1: things that really connects me with material. And uh and
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Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to ask that question. Let me
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Speaker 1: just mark that off my list because I don't want
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Speaker 1: to ask it twice. Well, if you ask me again,
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Speaker 1: I might say, like Bear McCreary or something like that,
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Speaker 1: since he did Lost and Outlander and that will start
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Speaker 1: Galactica and all of that. It's a good answer. It's
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Speaker 1: a good answer. So, uh, Ariel you and I now
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Speaker 1: live in a post One Division world. I'm so sad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah no more, no more new episodes of One Division
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Speaker 1: coming out, And we're not going to spoil One Division here.
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Speaker 1: We don't believe in that some people just don't have
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Speaker 1: the time to watch things right when they come out.
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Speaker 1: I know there were some people who are complaining about
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Speaker 1: not being able to binge one division. Well, now you
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Speaker 1: can do that if you have Disney Plus. But personally,
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Speaker 1: I really liked having that weekly thing to look forward to.
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Speaker 1: Um And I thought the I thought the finale was amazing.
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Speaker 1: I did as well. I I always have and a
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Speaker 1: little bit of lackluster response to like um bus level
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Speaker 1: fights and things like that. Um So I'm never, I'm never.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I enjoyed the journey a lot
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Speaker 1: more than I enjoyed the combination of the end of
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Speaker 1: the journey. I guess I should say I find this
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Speaker 1: fascinating areal because you also really like Kaiju movies, and
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Speaker 1: that's all that is are just big booming booms booms.
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Speaker 1: But okay, but that's what I'm expecting out of it.
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Speaker 1: Um Also, I love the character development. I mean, if
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Speaker 1: you really get into Godzilla's psychic okay, sure, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean I've I've seen Godzilla on a couch before I
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Speaker 1: get it now. I think, um, I think they did
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Speaker 1: a pretty good job of balancing the uh the super
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Speaker 1: heroic Shenanigans with more dialogue which kind of revealed things
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Speaker 1: that were going on. But we don't want to give
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Speaker 1: anything away. But I'm with you. Like spectacle stuff, especially
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Speaker 1: spectacle stuff that is designed for the small screen, sometimes
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Speaker 1: has trouble living up to expectations. Um, you know, like
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Speaker 1: you can you can get away with a lot of
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Speaker 1: other stuff on a really big screen, like you just
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Speaker 1: expect it when you go to see something like Avengers
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Speaker 1: or you know that sort of stuff. But I I agree.
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Speaker 1: I felt that the the action bits were the least
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Speaker 1: interesting to me, but that's okay because there was so
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Speaker 1: much other stuff that was really interesting to me. Um.
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Speaker 1: Not enough Cat Dennings though, never never enough Cat Dennings,
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Speaker 1: I UM. I happen to avoid most spoilers. The only
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Speaker 1: fan theories I I ride were the ones I wanted to,
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Speaker 1: so I didn't really spoil anything for myself because they
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Speaker 1: were just fan theories at the time. And I will
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Speaker 1: say that the end did not end the way I
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Speaker 1: anticipated it too, and they tied up a few loose
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Speaker 1: ends in a way that completely surprised me. So and
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Speaker 1: there is one major loose end that's still there which
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Speaker 1: I am looking forward to seeing come background again at
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Speaker 1: some point. But yeah, no, I agree. I watched a
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Speaker 1: lot of videos about fan theories, um, none of which
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Speaker 1: ended up being right, at least not. Some of them
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Speaker 1: got bits of it, but not most of it. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it very much. I thought that it was
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Speaker 1: I thought it ended the way it needed to mostly,
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Speaker 1: and it makes me it makes me look forward to
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Speaker 1: Doctor Strange and Spider Man a lot. Yeah. I think
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Speaker 1: it is a really great introduction to Phase four Phase four.
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Speaker 1: Something else I'm looking forward to, I think because I
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Speaker 1: haven't finished reading the book. Is the Netflix series of
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Speaker 1: The Talisman. Yeah, so The Talisman is h is one
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Speaker 1: of those books that that Stephen King did that um
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Speaker 1: is not a horror novel. It's it's more of a fantasy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's some scary stuff in there. But he
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Speaker 1: also co wrote it, so he co wrote it with
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Speaker 1: Peter Strong. Yes, but it's it's it's one of those
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Speaker 1: where again it's not a it's not an outright horror novel, right,
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Speaker 1: It's not like it or The Stand And it's got
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Speaker 1: it's got a it's heart A journey of a young
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Speaker 1: boy trying to save his his mother by retrieving this
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Speaker 1: legendary talisman. But the thing that also interests me is
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Speaker 1: that the Duffer brothers are involved with this, and there
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Speaker 1: of course the The Minds and Stranger Things, And you
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Speaker 1: would think that like Stranger Things was so um felt
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Speaker 1: so much like it in many ways, like the the
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Speaker 1: presentation and the theming. It felt very much inspired by
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Speaker 1: Stephen King. So this is kind of like going full circle.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, now you know, like Netflix has had some
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Speaker 1: mother really good king Ish series. Lock and Key is
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Speaker 1: a great example because his son wrote that the comics series, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, Defferent House on Haunted Hill. So they've they've
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Speaker 1: put out some really good King inspired series already. The
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Speaker 1: Deffer brothers have done great things with Stranger Things. Now
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Speaker 1: that I have watched through it all, I really enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: Finally watched howd you get past those first two episodes?
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Speaker 1: Eventually I got my husband pulled in and that's how
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Speaker 1: I was able to make it through because it does
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Speaker 1: gets scarier points. But I suspect that, Um, I am
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Speaker 1: like a quarter of the way through the Talisman and
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Speaker 1: it's not a huge nostalgia train of a book. Um,
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Speaker 1: But Steven Spielberg and Duffer brothers. Also, they both really
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Speaker 1: play on nostalgia in the things that they do a
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Speaker 1: lot of times, and so I'll be interested to see
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Speaker 1: what they do with this. I think. I think it's
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Speaker 1: at least fairly clear that the Duffer brothers at the
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Speaker 1: very very least hold Stephen King's works in fairly high regard.
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Speaker 1: So my hope is that that will translate to what
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Speaker 1: we see on the screen now something that I think
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Speaker 1: is interesting. I'm not sure how I fully feel about
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Speaker 1: it yet. Actually I know how I feel about it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about this. But we have learned
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Speaker 1: that there's going to be some pop up Broadway theater performances.
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Speaker 1: So in New York, some Broadway theaters are going to
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Speaker 1: open for some very very limited special performances as sort
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Speaker 1: of a test run in the near future. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think they are allowed to operate at thirty three percent capacity,
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Speaker 1: or with one hundred people inside and two hundred people outside.
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Speaker 1: Now they can go up if everybody has had vaccinations,
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Speaker 1: but how are you going to get that proven? Or
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Speaker 1: everybody has a negative COVID test um. I don't remember
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Speaker 1: which one I I understand. We both have friends in
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Speaker 1: New York who who live through Broadway. That's that's their job. Um,
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Speaker 1: and and so I'm excited that they might start being
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Speaker 1: able to get back to work, but I you know,
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Speaker 1: I am still very hesitant about going out and doing
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Speaker 1: things myself. Of course I'm not vaccinated. So yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: and it's and it's just one of those things where
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Speaker 1: like the health officials are still warning us, right, they're
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Speaker 1: still saying, please, please, please, please please, don't don't assume
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Speaker 1: that we're through the woods already and that it's okay
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Speaker 1: to go out and do these kind of things. Don't
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Speaker 1: just assume that that's that's okay because people are getting
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Speaker 1: vaccinated now, that now it's safe, because that's not true.
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Speaker 1: We still have thousands of new cases of COVID every week,
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Speaker 1: and there's there's just a lot we don't know. That
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Speaker 1: being said, Uh, they're they're doing it in conjunction with
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Speaker 1: New York pop Ups, the New York Pop Ups Initiative,
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Speaker 1: which has been doing some small events. They're keeping the
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Speaker 1: events unpublicized and unticketed, just to make sure that the
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Speaker 1: numbers stay small yet, which makes you wonder how you
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Speaker 1: even find out about it. Like, I get it, you
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Speaker 1: don't want to announce it ahead of time, because you
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Speaker 1: don't want there to suddenly be a rush, right people
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Speaker 1: who are start for theater all going there at the
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Speaker 1: same time. Does that just mean people who are in
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Speaker 1: the general area are going to find out about it
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Speaker 1: like half an hour beforehand, like it's it's a It's
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Speaker 1: a weird way to go about this, because in my mind,
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Speaker 1: if I were living in New York and I knew
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Speaker 1: that this was happening, I would be sorely tempted to
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Speaker 1: just troll Broadway all day, every day in the hopes
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Speaker 1: that I was going to get to see something. People
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Speaker 1: people do that for tickets all the time. Have sold
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Speaker 1: out shows, right, but not not usually when there's a
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Speaker 1: pandemic going on. Not usually when there's a pandemic. Now,
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Speaker 1: it did raise an interesting, an interesting question, and I
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Speaker 1: don't have the answer to this question, but the Actor's
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Speaker 1: Equity Association is calling for arts workers to be prioritized
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Speaker 1: for COVID vaccines in light of this announcement. You know,
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Speaker 1: restaurant workers are are being prioritized, and they feel that
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Speaker 1: actors could probably fall into that same category. I certainly
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Speaker 1: think that not just actors, but the theatrical staff should
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Speaker 1: all be prioritized if in fact they are to be
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Speaker 1: expected to do this kind of stuff, because they're going
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Speaker 1: to be exposed to way more people. And um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just think if you are going to do this,
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Speaker 1: you have to protect the people who are doing it,
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Speaker 1: Otherwise it is unethical. So I definitely have my misgivings.
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Speaker 1: I will hope for the best and uh and I
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Speaker 1: mean I I honestly I also feel envy. I really
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Speaker 1: miss Live Theater a lot. I don't miss it enough
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Speaker 1: to put myself for others in danger. Well, glass half full. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is you know, a light at
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Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel in you and I will
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Speaker 1: get to go see Haydes Town soon or possibly The
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Speaker 1: Queen's Gambit the musical. Yeah, so it turns out Level
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Speaker 1: Forward is going to be making a musical adaptation of
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Speaker 1: The Queen's Gambit, the series that was on Netflix. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know. So The Queen's Gambit is not
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Speaker 1: just about a woman who plays chess. It's about her
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Speaker 1: journey as a person, dealing with family tragedy, dealing with
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Speaker 1: substance abuse, dealing with her own identity, her concept of
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Speaker 1: her identity, and all of these other things are wrapped
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Speaker 1: up into it. Uh. It's funny because the story that
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Speaker 1: we linked to, which is from Slash Film, has a
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Speaker 1: fairly incredulous take, like I can't believe they're gonna make
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Speaker 1: a musical about this. I hope we don't see big
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Speaker 1: dancing chess pieces. And I'm thinking someone has never seen
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Speaker 1: the musical Chess. There has been a musical about Chess.
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Speaker 1: It's fine. It was done the music of ABBA, or
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Speaker 1: like two of the members of Abba wrote the music
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Speaker 1: for it. I was I was going to say, like
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Speaker 1: I put this in here specifically because when I read
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Speaker 1: the article, I'm like, okay, so it's going to be
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Speaker 1: Chess the musical. They'll just use ABBA music and ABBA music,
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Speaker 1: I say, Alba, they'll use Appa music, and it will
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Speaker 1: be something new we've never ever seen before. But now
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Speaker 1: I know, I know you like Chess, uh the musical,
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Speaker 1: and I know you like Queen's Gambit, And so see
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Speaker 1: how how different this turns out to be. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: different enough. I'm sure there are many fascinating stories in
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Speaker 1: the chest. Well, it would it would have to be
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Speaker 1: different in the sense that you know, Queen's Game Bit
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Speaker 1: was a series that spanned several episodes, and you're not
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Speaker 1: going to sit through an eight hour musical, so it
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Speaker 1: will have to. Boy, I haven't been to one in
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Speaker 1: a while. I might like usually a song can cover
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Speaker 1: like ten years span of time, so really you can
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Speaker 1: just cheat that way. We have one other story and
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Speaker 1: it is kind of we're gonna just spend a little
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Speaker 1: time on it, but it's a crazy one, which is
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Speaker 1: that Neo Pets, the virtual pet game that was like
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Speaker 1: a flash based game. There's now like a crazy black
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Speaker 1: market for Neo Pets. Yes, yes, apparently a while back
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Speaker 1: they changed up their art style and a part of
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Speaker 1: that meant that you could go and you could customize
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Speaker 1: your little neopets to your hearts delight, using paintbrushes and
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Speaker 1: things like that. Um this is all from the article
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Speaker 1: and not at all because I used to play Neo
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Speaker 1: Pets with my old room mate anyhow. Um So what
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Speaker 1: that meant was if you had an un um unedited, original,
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Speaker 1: unconverted original art pet, that you had a rare pet.
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Speaker 1: And so people were finding out, you know, they wouldn't
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Speaker 1: log into Neo Pets for a while one because you
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Speaker 1: get busy and it's neo pets and two because they
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Speaker 1: have a lot of security issues and they logged back
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Speaker 1: in and find out that their pets had been traded
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Speaker 1: without their knowledge. Now, trading in neopets is something that
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Speaker 1: could be done, but it was usually like the game
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Speaker 1: is not set up to trade pets. You had to
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Speaker 1: put them in a pound. You have to set it
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Speaker 1: up so that it was never something that was very
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Speaker 1: um well organized. But it's just it's so mind boggling
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Speaker 1: to me that this little flash game that I played
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Speaker 1: ten years ago has a black market that is making
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Speaker 1: news today, right, So it's yeah, it is kind of
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Speaker 1: it blows my mind because it just shows that people
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Speaker 1: will value what they value, even if that thing is
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Speaker 1: not real, Like it's a it's just a I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just a drawing essentially, is what it is. But
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Speaker 1: when we come back, Ariel and I are going to
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Speaker 1: talk some more about spaceships, because it turns out when
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Speaker 1: we started chatting about that last week, we had other
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Speaker 1: things to talk about that would have totally snowballed that
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Speaker 1: whole episode. So we're gonna snowballed this one. We'll do
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Speaker 1: that after this quick break that was my spaceship. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I like you. I like your spaceship sound effects. I
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Speaker 1: like it a lot. So last week we were you know,
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Speaker 1: it was my question that prompted this, right, I asked
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Speaker 1: you what your favorite, uh spaceship was, your fictional spaceship,
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Speaker 1: favorite fictional spaceship, and we started talking about ships and
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Speaker 1: how ships can sometimes be a character in a story,
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Speaker 1: sometimes literally their characters in a story, sometimes figuratively. They
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Speaker 1: end up being a character like it's they're they're treated
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Speaker 1: with the same kind of respect that a character might
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Speaker 1: be treated. And we just thought we'd talked a little
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Speaker 1: bit more about that. Yeah, So I mean spaceships that
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Speaker 1: are actually characters. You think about things like the Tartis,
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Speaker 1: which eventually had an episode called The Doctor's Wife. The
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Speaker 1: Tartis is essential spaceship. It's a spaceship and a time
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Speaker 1: travel machine. Um. After you asked me last week, I
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Speaker 1: did look that up and the consensus is that it
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Speaker 1: is a it is a space ship. Um. And you
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Speaker 1: know Moya from Far Escape, which is a Leviathan and
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Speaker 1: not the only instance of a Leviathan like creature being
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Speaker 1: a spaceship. Heck, if you go into the discworld novels
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Speaker 1: you've got, you could count the turtle that carries the
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Speaker 1: world on its back as a spaceship sorts. Yes, um
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Speaker 1: and and so we started talking about science spaceships, but
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Speaker 1: they're also sentience spaceships that aren't usually characters. Like if
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Speaker 1: you look at the Battlestar Galactica remake spaceships, they were
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Speaker 1: slightly organic. They were kind of like, yeah, so they
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Speaker 1: would have guts, and I think there were some that
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Speaker 1: were you know, there there cylons. Okay, if I did
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Speaker 1: not know any of this, because of course I've only
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Speaker 1: watched the good Bellstar Galactic. If you look at it
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Speaker 1: as a different story, it's pretty good, you know, But
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Speaker 1: but you know, cylons are are you know, it's that
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Speaker 1: whole debate of of what is what is human and
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Speaker 1: was not, which is a whole another bunny trail. We
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Speaker 1: can have our synths are people to discussion in a
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Speaker 1: later episode. Yes, but you know, it's interesting to me
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Speaker 1: because when we started talking about it after the last episode,
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Speaker 1: we went from actual sentient ships two ships that had
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Speaker 1: sentient characteristics like the Enterprise, and I think that is
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest examples of a ship that maybe
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Speaker 1: doesn't have Maybe people disagree with me, an actual consciousness
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Speaker 1: to it um still being a character with personality traits
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Speaker 1: and and being beloved and things like that. Well, and
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Speaker 1: so with the Enterprise in particular, I mean, you did
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Speaker 1: have the ship's computer, which kind of serves as the
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Speaker 1: voice of the ship. Although you could also argue that
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Speaker 1: the computer and the ship are two things that are connected,
20:40
Speaker 1: but they are each independent of one another. You could
20:43
Speaker 1: argue that. But to me, the thing that made the
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Speaker 1: Enterprise a character was the way the other characters in
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Speaker 1: Star Trek referred to and regarded the Enterprise, particularly like
20:56
Speaker 1: if you're looking at the original series, Scotty loved the Enterprise.
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Speaker 1: Like he he was almost in love with the Enterprise
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Speaker 1: to the point where he got personally offended if anyone
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Speaker 1: made any sort of comment that could be perceived as
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Speaker 1: a criticism toward the Enterprise, and he would kind of
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Speaker 1: pooh pooh other ships and the Federation's fleet as not
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Speaker 1: being up to the caliber of the Enterprise. Right. So,
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Speaker 1: for me, the Enterprise was one of those things that
21:30
Speaker 1: was really special and uh in Star Trek three, the
21:36
Speaker 1: original series Star Trek three, The Search for Spock. Spoiler
21:40
Speaker 1: alert for a movie that's older than most of you
21:43
Speaker 1: out there. But in Star Trek three, uh, the the
21:49
Speaker 1: crew of the Enterprise are forced to self destruct. They
21:54
Speaker 1: they they set the Enterprise to self destruct in order
21:56
Speaker 1: to escape Klingons. They end up taking over the Klingon ship.
22:01
Speaker 1: They trapped the Clingons aboard the Enterprise and they blow
22:03
Speaker 1: it up. Blowing up the Enterprise was a huge deal.
22:06
Speaker 1: I mean, this was a ship that had an enormous
22:10
Speaker 1: amount of fan love toward it from the original television
22:14
Speaker 1: series and the first two of the motion pictures. You
22:18
Speaker 1: get to that moment. I still remember I was a
22:20
Speaker 1: kid when that movie came out, but I still remember
22:23
Speaker 1: people gasping and crying when the Enterprise blew up because
22:29
Speaker 1: it was like a real character to them. And um,
22:34
Speaker 1: I might have mentioned this in the last week where
22:37
Speaker 1: it got to a point where with the Next Generation,
22:40
Speaker 1: I was personally offended when they started referring to the
22:44
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, they blew up a couple of
22:46
Speaker 1: those Enterprises, and Picard at one point even says there
22:50
Speaker 1: are a lot more letters left in the alphabet, indicating
22:53
Speaker 1: that you know, they would build another Enterprise, they would
22:56
Speaker 1: append a new letter at the end of its designation,
22:59
Speaker 1: and that to me was like such a slap in
23:02
Speaker 1: the face. It's almost like saying, well, Rick or you're dead,
23:05
Speaker 1: but thank goodness, we have four more of your clones
23:07
Speaker 1: in storage, so we'll just daw another one out. So
23:10
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't put that past our Trek. But anyhow,
23:15
Speaker 1: I feel like I agree to me, the ship was
23:20
Speaker 1: a character. But it was almost to me this the
23:24
Speaker 1: Enterprise getting destroyed almost felt less like less like a
23:29
Speaker 1: character being killed because to me, I'm like, you can
23:32
Speaker 1: take the computer out of the Enterprise and you can
23:34
Speaker 1: put it into another Enterprise and it'll still be the
23:37
Speaker 1: same Enterprise argically, because you know, Magel Barrett was the
23:42
Speaker 1: voice of the Enterprise, um and also many other characters
23:46
Speaker 1: in the Star Trek franchise, as well as Jean Ron
23:49
Speaker 1: Barry's wife. But um, it was a home to me,
23:54
Speaker 1: and so it was for me. It was destroying the
24:00
Speaker 1: connective tissue that kept all the characters I loved together. Um.
24:05
Speaker 1: And because they cared about it, I cared about it.
24:07
Speaker 1: So I guess it in a in a way that
24:09
Speaker 1: makes it as a character. Yeah, that that makes it well.
24:14
Speaker 1: And and let me ask you this, I don't know
24:16
Speaker 1: if you have the same emotional attachment or not. But
24:19
Speaker 1: the Millennium Falcon, you know, fastest hunker junk in the galaxy.
24:25
Speaker 1: The story goes that the original end of the Return
24:27
Speaker 1: of the Jedi was going to see the Millennium Falcon
24:30
Speaker 1: not escape the Death Star, that it was going to
24:34
Speaker 1: be destroyed and Lando Calarisian would die in the escape
24:39
Speaker 1: attempt as a result, And so I wonder had that
24:44
Speaker 1: stayed in Well, first of all, the episode seven eight
24:48
Speaker 1: nine would be very different because there'd be no Millennium
24:50
Speaker 1: Falcon to be in them. But it makes me wonder
24:53
Speaker 1: what the audience reaction would have been. I imagine it
24:55
Speaker 1: would have been pretty dramatic to see because again, like
25:00
Speaker 1: the Millennium Falcon also kind of comes across a sort
25:03
Speaker 1: of a character. It's a cantankerous ship that doesn't always work,
25:08
Speaker 1: especially when you really need it to. And like Han
25:12
Speaker 1: even is pleading with his ship in certain scenes where
25:17
Speaker 1: he's asking her to keep it together. It Uh, it
25:20
Speaker 1: really makes me wonder what the world would have been like,
25:22
Speaker 1: what that experience would have been like had they kept
25:25
Speaker 1: that original ending. That is interesting for me personally. The
25:30
Speaker 1: Millennium Falcon doesn't hit the same character chords and maybe
25:33
Speaker 1: it's because there's not a family living on it. I
25:36
Speaker 1: mean Chewy And not to say that Chewy and Han
25:38
Speaker 1: soloarn family, because they totally are. And I know that
25:40
Speaker 1: later on, other other characters become caretakers of the Millennium Falcon.
25:44
Speaker 1: But it's not keeping an entire crew to get together
25:50
Speaker 1: that I'm worried about being displaced or not being separated. Uh,
25:55
Speaker 1: it doesn't have a consciousness to there's no it's not
25:59
Speaker 1: given a a voice in the more literal terms like
26:04
Speaker 1: the Tartist is or Moya is or you know, the Enterprise.
26:09
Speaker 1: The Enterprise literally has a voice, you know. But even
26:11
Speaker 1: even the Tartist was given a voice at one point
26:14
Speaker 1: in The Doctor's Wife um Or. Its voices and thoughts
26:18
Speaker 1: are narrated through other characters. The same with Moya from
26:21
Speaker 1: Far Escape, where it has a pilot that can speak
26:24
Speaker 1: your thoughts. To me, the Millennium Falcon is a really
26:27
Speaker 1: cool beloved like nostalgic car. Okay, that's fair. I mean,
26:33
Speaker 1: like to me, it's weird to me because I can
26:36
Speaker 1: feel an emotional attachment to the Millennium Falcon like I
26:39
Speaker 1: also think about when they showed previews for the the
26:44
Speaker 1: sequel trilogy, and whenever Millennium Falcon showed up on screen
26:48
Speaker 1: that first time, people lost their minds, like, oh, it's
26:51
Speaker 1: the Millennium falcon Um. There's actually one video in particular,
26:55
Speaker 1: reaction video, where it's just it's a guy who's voice
26:58
Speaker 1: pitches up so high that I almost can't hear it anymore.
27:01
Speaker 1: But I think about that, and I think it is
27:04
Speaker 1: interesting because I don't feel any real attachment to any
27:08
Speaker 1: of the other spaceships from Star Wars. I think the
27:11
Speaker 1: Tie Interceptor is the cool one. I really like that design.
27:14
Speaker 1: But I don't have an emotional attachment to an X
27:17
Speaker 1: Wing death Star or Star Killer Base or Death Star
27:22
Speaker 1: to or any of the other versions of the death
27:24
Speaker 1: Star that there have been. But no, I I I
27:27
Speaker 1: think again, it's because the way the characters within the
27:31
Speaker 1: fiction of the film react to and treat the ship
27:36
Speaker 1: that ends up encouraging within me that same kind of attachment.
27:41
Speaker 1: Um um. I guess it's also the journey that it
27:45
Speaker 1: takes you as the viewer on in general, because you
27:47
Speaker 1: know people with their cars in their boats give them personality. Sure,
27:51
Speaker 1: you named your car, No, I did not name my car, Kermit.
27:56
Speaker 1: I named my car Michaelangelo was Zowski right, thank you
28:01
Speaker 1: very I need your car, Kermit. Yes, regardless, three great
28:06
Speaker 1: characters in one sadly contake rous car now. But you
28:13
Speaker 1: know I I will be sad when I get rid
28:15
Speaker 1: of Mikey, but not as sad as when the Enterprise
28:20
Speaker 1: blows up, or at least that first time. Like That's
28:26
Speaker 1: the other thing is that with when Picard sits there
28:28
Speaker 1: and says there are a lot more out letters in
28:30
Speaker 1: the alphabet, that to me is a huge slap in
28:35
Speaker 1: the face because it tells me that they don't really
28:40
Speaker 1: the characters don't really care about the ship. So if
28:43
Speaker 1: the characters don't care about the ship, why should I?
28:46
Speaker 1: And I don't like that, Like I think I told you.
28:49
Speaker 1: I can't remember if I told you this on Mike
28:51
Speaker 1: or not last week, but I never saw Um the
28:55
Speaker 1: Star Trek Beyond film because the trailers made it look
28:59
Speaker 1: like it was another movie you where they're going to
29:00
Speaker 1: blow up the Enterprise again, and I just had enough.
29:04
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't, I can't. It's like watching
29:06
Speaker 1: a good friend getting beaten up over and over. I
29:09
Speaker 1: can't do it. I remember when the trailer story that
29:12
Speaker 1: came out and I remember you saying that I think
29:14
Speaker 1: it is a really good movie. I also and maybe
29:17
Speaker 1: I'm misremembering, so listeners, please forgive me if I am.
29:20
Speaker 1: I feel like their decision to put the Enterprise in
29:24
Speaker 1: peril was not one made lately well, and if I
29:28
Speaker 1: call correctly, it certainly didn't hit me that way while
29:32
Speaker 1: I was watching, and a lot of the people I
29:34
Speaker 1: have listened to talk about that movie like, oddly enough,
29:37
Speaker 1: none of it ever got spoiled. I don't even know
29:39
Speaker 1: what the plot is of that movie. For the most part,
29:41
Speaker 1: I know teeny tiny little bits, but not much. But
29:45
Speaker 1: the people who saw that movie, who talked about it
29:48
Speaker 1: all seemed to really enjoy it. Even people who had
29:50
Speaker 1: been critical of the earlier Abrahams films really enjoyed it.
29:55
Speaker 1: So it tells me that I need to watch it.
29:58
Speaker 1: I just haven't made that time yet. And when you
30:02
Speaker 1: do watch it, you'll have to let us all know
30:04
Speaker 1: what you thought about. I will, but before I can
30:07
Speaker 1: get to that, I will have to watch it. And
30:08
Speaker 1: before I can watch it, we also are going to
30:10
Speaker 1: take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
30:13
Speaker 1: gonna have a very star trek e mash up to
30:16
Speaker 1: talk about so stay for that because it's gonna be
30:21
Speaker 1: something all right. Arie. Also, um, our mashup is Star
30:42
Speaker 1: Trek and something that we did not cover in our
30:44
Speaker 1: news segment. One of the news items we were considering
30:47
Speaker 1: talking about was the fact that there's going to be
30:50
Speaker 1: a Winnie the Pooh Lego set. It was one of
30:52
Speaker 1: the ones that was chosen from uh kind of a
30:56
Speaker 1: crowdsourced approach to suggesting this should be the next themed
31:02
Speaker 1: Lego set, and Lego has agreed. So there's gonna be
31:05
Speaker 1: a Winnie the Pooh hunderd acre Wood set. Um, so
31:09
Speaker 1: we're doing Star Trek and Winnie the Pooh, yes, Um,
31:13
Speaker 1: And I know that this has been This has been
31:16
Speaker 1: done before in various iterations with the Shako when the
31:21
Speaker 1: Walls fell, uh meme with Pooh and Piglet. But my
31:27
Speaker 1: least favorite Next Generation episode, well, you know it's a
31:31
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful Winnie the Pooh meme, and and you
31:35
Speaker 1: know there are various other iterations of Pooh and Star Trek.
31:38
Speaker 1: Because when you have properties you love, you you tend
31:41
Speaker 1: to ship them together. So the show exists. Yes, So, um,
31:49
Speaker 1: do you want to go first? You want me to
31:50
Speaker 1: go first? Um? All right, Captain Picard has a problem.
31:58
Speaker 1: He is commanding the star ship Enterprise on a mission
32:01
Speaker 1: to the edge of the neutral zone to investigate a
32:04
Speaker 1: distress signal. Approaching the sector, the ship's sensors begin to
32:08
Speaker 1: pick up something strange. Captain, I am detecting photonic variations
32:13
Speaker 1: in the spacetime continuum, says Data, probably or something like that.
32:19
Speaker 1: Can we try to reverse the polarity? Asks Riker, Reverse
32:23
Speaker 1: the polarity of what? Asks Data. Riker looks embarrassed and
32:26
Speaker 1: leaves the bridge to go practice saxophone or something. Picard
32:29
Speaker 1: looks to Data Analysis Mr. Data. Before Data can answer,
32:34
Speaker 1: the ship is rocked, and we know that because everyone
32:37
Speaker 1: in camera frame jerks around a lot. Captain says Data.
32:41
Speaker 1: It seems as though a wormhole is pulling us into it.
32:44
Speaker 1: Reverse course, full power, says Piccard. I I Captain says
32:48
Speaker 1: ins and crusher shut up. Wesley says Picard. Captain, there
32:52
Speaker 1: appears to be no effect, says Data. Before you can
32:56
Speaker 1: finish this thought, the ship enters through the wormhole and
32:59
Speaker 1: thing go all wibbly wobbly, but not timey. Whymy, when
33:03
Speaker 1: everything goes normal, Data says Captain. We are through coordinates, Mr. Data,
33:09
Speaker 1: says Picard. I am not certain, Captain. It appears as
33:12
Speaker 1: though we are in uncharted territory. Data's console beeps, I
33:17
Speaker 1: am detecting a large ship. On screen, says Picard. Should
33:21
Speaker 1: we raise shields, Sir, asks Riker. I thought you left
33:25
Speaker 1: to practice the saxophone, says Picard. You forgot that the
33:29
Speaker 1: writer is a hack, says Riker. On the screen appears
33:33
Speaker 1: a massive ship, larger than a borg cube. It is
33:37
Speaker 1: golden in color and so large that it fills the screen.
33:40
Speaker 1: The crew can't even see the edges of it. Captain,
33:43
Speaker 1: we are being hailed, says Warf. On screen says Picard,
33:47
Speaker 1: and then we see the bridge of another ship, sitting
33:50
Speaker 1: in the captain's chair as at Chubby Little Cubby, all
33:52
Speaker 1: stuffed with bluff. I am Captain Winnie the Pooh of
33:56
Speaker 1: starship Honeypott. It's a trap, says Warf. Not kind of
34:00
Speaker 1: honey pot, says Winnie the Pooh. Please identify yourselves. I
34:05
Speaker 1: am Captain Jean Luke Picard of the starship Enterprise from
34:07
Speaker 1: the United Federation of Planets. Our ship just encountered an
34:10
Speaker 1: anomaly in our own part of the galaxy and now
34:12
Speaker 1: we find ourselves here, says Piccard. The figure on screen
34:16
Speaker 1: considers this for a moment. I understand, Captain Piccard. We
34:19
Speaker 1: were on our way to investigate a distress signal when
34:22
Speaker 1: we picked up some Why did you call them? And
34:25
Speaker 1: then on screen a tiger like critter shows up and
34:28
Speaker 1: says a bouncy trouncy flouncy, bouncy photonic vibration of the
34:31
Speaker 1: spacetime continuum, thank you, Science Officer Tigger. Picard says, we too,
34:37
Speaker 1: were investigating a similar distress call. In our ship's sensors
34:40
Speaker 1: also picked up that thing you just said. It appears
34:45
Speaker 1: it was in fact a trap. I told you, shouts Warf. No, no,
34:51
Speaker 1: not not that bit, wharf. The bit about the distress
34:54
Speaker 1: call was the trap, says Picard. Captain says data, I
34:58
Speaker 1: am detecting a pair of uncloaking ships off the starbroad Bow.
35:02
Speaker 1: I was going to say the same things as a
35:04
Speaker 1: voice off screen on Captain the Poo's ship. Thank you,
35:08
Speaker 1: Officer Piglet, says Captain the Pooh. The screen shifts and
35:12
Speaker 1: now we see two evil looking purple ships up here,
35:16
Speaker 1: all hazy and wobbly and stuff. It's the Heffalumps and Woozles,
35:19
Speaker 1: says Winnie the Pooh. Captain Picard, you must escape. We
35:22
Speaker 1: will hold them off. I cannot leave you, says Piccard.
35:25
Speaker 1: We red shirts have to stick together. What follows is
35:29
Speaker 1: a spectacular battle between the Heffalump Ship, the Woozle Ship,
35:33
Speaker 1: and the Starship honey Pott. The Enterprise gets in a
35:35
Speaker 1: few good hits too, and a riker even gets to
35:37
Speaker 1: reverse the polarity on something. Rather than running, Piccard stands
35:41
Speaker 1: with his newfound ally and together they turned back the attack. Afterward,
35:45
Speaker 1: Captain the Pooh thanks the rest the crew of the
35:48
Speaker 1: Enterprise for their bravery and wishes them well. How could
35:51
Speaker 1: we ever repay you for the kindness you have shown us,
35:53
Speaker 1: says Captain Piccard. Honey yells Winnie the Pooh, and should
35:57
Speaker 1: you ever pass the sector again, look us up. Our
36:00
Speaker 1: base is in the hundred acre would acknowledged, says Picard.
36:04
Speaker 1: He turns to ins and Crush and says, set a
36:06
Speaker 1: course through the wormhole, engage and shut up leslie. The
36:10
Speaker 1: end that was so happy. It's such a change of
36:16
Speaker 1: pace from your normal mash up. I considered having everyone die,
36:21
Speaker 1: but but I thought i'd go easy this week. Listen,
36:25
Speaker 1: last week and this week you've been uh keeping it
36:28
Speaker 1: pretty positive. I'm proud of you. I always love your
36:31
Speaker 1: I always love your mashups though, whether they are light
36:34
Speaker 1: or dark side. Um mine is pretty light too. So
36:39
Speaker 1: I just want to preface this with uh, I know
36:42
Speaker 1: that this is not exactly completely cannon, but it's my mashup.
36:46
Speaker 1: So deal with Low Putas and the House at Cube Corners.
36:53
Speaker 1: After the Board lost Sean Luke from their collective Jean Luccard,
36:56
Speaker 1: the captain of the Enterprise, they began analyzing how he
36:59
Speaker 1: escaped and how they could keep such things from happening again.
37:02
Speaker 1: Scouring his database that they created when they assimilated him,
37:06
Speaker 1: they found something interesting a book in a dark recess
37:10
Speaker 1: of John Luke's memories, an ancient book entitled Who and
37:14
Speaker 1: thy Psychologists. Apparently Pickard had once read this book as
37:18
Speaker 1: a part of his Ancient Philosophies class, and through this
37:21
Speaker 1: ancient text, the Board developed an algorithm, the Christopher Robin algorithm,
37:26
Speaker 1: to analyze in pinpoint human psyche anomalies such as O, C, D, A,
37:30
Speaker 1: D H D anxiety and the such, and then correct
37:33
Speaker 1: any possible mental diversions before they ever happened. However, what
37:37
Speaker 1: they didn't know was that this was a virus planted
37:40
Speaker 1: in John Luke's brain to bring them down. And soon
37:43
Speaker 1: they had to know everything they could about Who and
37:45
Speaker 1: his Corners. And that's when the boards Christopher Robin algorithm
37:50
Speaker 1: pinpointed their quest for perfectionism as a glitch in their
37:54
Speaker 1: own system. The more they tried to fix this glitch
37:58
Speaker 1: in an effort to become perfect, less they cared about
38:01
Speaker 1: their perfection and in turn, about assimilation, until finally, by accident,
38:06
Speaker 1: they had programmed that's the right word out all seemingly
38:10
Speaker 1: uncaring thoughts from their hive mind and shape themselves into
38:14
Speaker 1: the classic beloved and loving children's characters. And that is
38:17
Speaker 1: how the Boord assimilated themselves into caring for the galaxy. Now,
38:22
Speaker 1: intelligent life from all over goes to the house at
38:24
Speaker 1: Cube Corners to work on their problems and become better people.
38:28
Speaker 1: See this is this is funny because I already already
38:31
Speaker 1: suspected that borg were just a bunch of pooh heads.
38:35
Speaker 1: They I mean, they are, so you've got this. Yours
38:39
Speaker 1: is even sweeter than mine was. Mine is just silly.
38:43
Speaker 1: I wanted. So one of my initial reactions, which would
38:47
Speaker 1: have been much darker, was the fact that Winnie the
38:51
Speaker 1: Poo's shirt, the Disney version of Winnie the Pooh, his
38:54
Speaker 1: shirt is red, right, So it made me want to
38:59
Speaker 1: do a Star Trek original series crossover because we know
39:04
Speaker 1: what happens to red shirts in the original series. Yeah,
39:09
Speaker 1: they are there, cannon fodder. I UM, I had a
39:15
Speaker 1: whole bunch of ideas of the way I wanted this
39:17
Speaker 1: to go, and then I just thought about how Star
39:23
Speaker 1: Trek deals with a lot of like emotional and psychological
39:27
Speaker 1: and psychology and things like that, um in an effort
39:31
Speaker 1: to to create a better universe. Uh, And there is
39:36
Speaker 1: this book Who and the Psychologists, and you know the
39:40
Speaker 1: Towel show, and and like disorders in in the Winnie
39:44
Speaker 1: the Pooh characters. They are all of these studies on how, um,
39:48
Speaker 1: like Piglet has anxiety and he or has depression, and
39:54
Speaker 1: who has an eating disorder? And so all of these
39:58
Speaker 1: studies on how it's kind of a of people to
40:01
Speaker 1: learn how to cope with these struggles that they're going
40:03
Speaker 1: on in a in a super like child friendly way. Well,
40:06
Speaker 1: it's also it's also just it's challenging to write a
40:10
Speaker 1: mashup of Pooh that's going to have crazy amounts of
40:14
Speaker 1: conflict in it, because that's not really what Winne the
40:16
Speaker 1: Pooh is about, right, It's about friendship, and like, yeah,
40:20
Speaker 1: there are little adventures and little adversities that the characters
40:23
Speaker 1: have to go through, but there's not a ton of conflict.
40:27
Speaker 1: Although you could argue Gene Roddenberry wanted the same thing
40:30
Speaker 1: with Star Trek. He wanted all conflict to become external
40:33
Speaker 1: conflict because he wanted the characters on the starship to
40:39
Speaker 1: have reached a level of compatibility where there was never
40:43
Speaker 1: any conflict between crewmates. It was something that a lot
40:47
Speaker 1: of the writers for Star Trek actually struggled with, because
40:51
Speaker 1: how do you keep a show interesting if everyone always
40:55
Speaker 1: gets along together? Just fine? Yeah, Well, I'm I feel
41:00
Speaker 1: like they did a pretty good job with it. You know,
41:02
Speaker 1: you can because you have to relate to media to
41:07
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. And I feel like they made the
41:09
Speaker 1: characters relatable in their faults well. And and eventually, after
41:13
Speaker 1: run Berry's passing, there was a little bit more of
41:16
Speaker 1: a of a relaxed take on that, so you could
41:20
Speaker 1: have at least some temporary uh, tension between characters. It
41:25
Speaker 1: might not be something that like, you wouldn't have two
41:28
Speaker 1: characters who just hate each other's guts. That still didn't happen,
41:32
Speaker 1: but you might have characters who occasionally have issues working
41:35
Speaker 1: with one another. So it did evolve eventually on on
41:39
Speaker 1: the show. Well, I think that that was a very
41:42
Speaker 1: sweet way to end this episode. And if people want
41:46
Speaker 1: to get in touch with us, maybe give us their
41:48
Speaker 1: suggestions for Star Trek and Winnie the Pooh crossover or
41:52
Speaker 1: maybe other crossovers we should do, or just maybe a
41:55
Speaker 1: topic we should talk about. How would they get in
41:57
Speaker 1: touch with us arial Well, well, they could reach out
42:02
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42:05
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42:10
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42:13
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42:17
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42:20
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42:38
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42:41
Speaker 1: they won't less do the show anymore, and it'll be
42:43
Speaker 1: your fault. That's sad. Well. Uh, I'd rather end this
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Speaker 1: on a high note, so uh, until next time. I
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