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QB GOAT · NFL explained.

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Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership
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Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. All Right, I'd started off the
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Speaker 1: episode by saying, hey, beautiful people, and do my best
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Speaker 1: Michael Robinson impersonation. But there was a huge, huge, epic
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Speaker 1: mistake that I made in last week's episode, so I
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Speaker 1: thought this week I would rectify it right off the top.
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Speaker 1: Are you cool with that? I'm my camp, He's Michael Robinson.
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Speaker 1: This is NFL Explained. You know, last week I didn't
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Speaker 1: even introduce us. People are tuning into NFL Explained podcast
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Speaker 1: when they were on their phone and they actually clicked
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Speaker 1: the actual link. Come on, man, they knew what they
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Speaker 1: were getting. Yeah, no, no no, it's a good point. It's
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Speaker 1: a good point. But I'd like to think I'm a professional.
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Speaker 1: Although if you've been listening to this episode, that might
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Speaker 1: be up for debate. This episode, in particular, comes from
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Speaker 1: something that you said on a previous episode. Sometimes you
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Speaker 1: say stuff and it just, you know, it just resonates
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Speaker 1: and we started dreaming about it. And you gotta remind
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Speaker 1: me though, because sometimes I forget it. Like you did
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Speaker 1: say something about like the moon and the some solar
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Speaker 1: system reference had has nothing to do I want to
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Speaker 1: get into it if no, no, no, I'm not going
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Speaker 1: down that path. The path that we're going to go
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Speaker 1: down is this idea that Tom Brady is not the goat. Okay,
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Speaker 1: pause sort of kind of you said, I'm twisting it.
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Speaker 1: I'm definitely twisting it. This entire episode, really though, is
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Speaker 1: about the quarterback and the greatest of all time, and
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Speaker 1: we're gonna lay things out for everyone, talk about some statistics,
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Speaker 1: some of the things that you saw playing against some
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Speaker 1: of these guys, playing with some of these players as well.
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Speaker 1: But in all sincerity, I think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: say Tom Brady is the goat. You think about all
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowls and we'll get to dB twelve here
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Speaker 1: in just a minute. You had a different designation forum
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Speaker 1: it's goat, but it's the greatest of all time, not
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Speaker 1: necessarily quarterback. You thought winner, winner, I mean, you just
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Speaker 1: think about it. With seven super Bowls, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't think if you think anybody's going to ever get
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Speaker 1: close to that, that's a lot. And when you talk
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Speaker 1: about the greatest of all time with a certain position,
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Speaker 1: that's a more individual thing. Those Super Bowls as a
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Speaker 1: team thing, and it has a lot of different factors
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Speaker 1: to us, so I can't wait to get into it.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk about Brady coming up in this episode,
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Speaker 1: but we're knocking on the door. We got run in
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Speaker 1: the postseason, we got the super Bowl around the corner.
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Speaker 1: That's the money making time, right, and like that's the
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Speaker 1: biggest stage on the planet everyone's watching. Is there a
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Speaker 1: player that comes to mind that really cemented their their
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Speaker 1: legacy as a player because of what they did in
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Speaker 1: that game. I would have to say Eli Manning. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, if you take the super
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Speaker 1: Bowl runs, the Playoffs runs away from his career, I'm
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Speaker 1: not so sure we're thinking about Eli Manning as a
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I would even throw my guy beast
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Speaker 1: Mode in there. I mean during the Playoffs, he had
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Speaker 1: Beast Quake. I mean I was in on that play.
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Speaker 1: It was seventy power. We blocked it terribly, and to me,
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Speaker 1: it was one of the greatest runs of all time,
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Speaker 1: regardless Playoffs or whatever. Um. But I would say Beast Mode.
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Speaker 1: And obviously you got guys like to Roll Davis, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, Beam those guys that stick out from me.
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Speaker 1: The Manning one is a good one. By the way,
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Speaker 1: I know we keep throwing out that term goat. Are
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Speaker 1: you cool with that? Should? I like, is there cool
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Speaker 1: with it? I mean, look, so I asked my son, okay,
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Speaker 1: is there any other terms or whatever? He didn't text
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Speaker 1: back yet he was in school, so I'm still waiting.
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Speaker 1: Uh that was a test text. While look, I'm always
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Speaker 1: I'm always tested him. Like I'll send him a message
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Speaker 1: on Instagram or something like after he's not supposed to
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Speaker 1: have the phone, and if he responds, I'm like, what
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Speaker 1: did you respond for? He's like, but Dad, you sent
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Speaker 1: the message ahead to respond to day. Because if you
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Speaker 1: send a message in the middle of the day when
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Speaker 1: he's not supposed to have the phone and it says hey,
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Speaker 1: I love you and he says I love you, You're
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Speaker 1: not gonna get mad. It's alright, cool. We'll break the
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Speaker 1: rule that one is okay to go with um. I
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Speaker 1: mentioned this before. I think the way to do this
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Speaker 1: is to not just say, hey, do the greatest of
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Speaker 1: all time without giving you real analysis. So what we'll
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Speaker 1: do here is go through the backs in the Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl era, specifically, because if we said all quarterbacks and
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Speaker 1: we're going to try our best to do decades, like
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Speaker 1: the generational aspect of the game has changed. There's been
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Speaker 1: an evolution. In fact, we've done numerous podcasts about the
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Speaker 1: evolution of specific aspects of the game. If you've missed
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Speaker 1: any of those episodes, highly encourage you to go back.
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Speaker 1: But I do think about football as a team sport
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Speaker 1: and then to win. And yet you throughout Eli Manning
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Speaker 1: as an example of a guy that made his legacy
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Speaker 1: in that game. Do we put too much on a
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Speaker 1: championship when evaluating the greatest of all time? I mean, again,
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Speaker 1: yams Uh, you're talking to a former role player. I
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Speaker 1: played quarterback at times in my life when in the
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Speaker 1: National Football League, I was a role player, special team
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Speaker 1: or fullback, backup tailback at times, backup receiver, all of
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Speaker 1: those things. So absolutely, getting Super Bowls means everything, right,
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Speaker 1: because if you win that Super Bowl, everybody makes more money,
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Speaker 1: everybody becomes more valuable, every you know, everybody, even the
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Speaker 1: front office guys. Everything changes. So yeah, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: say we put too much weight on it. No we don't.
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Speaker 1: I think we put the right amount of weight on it,
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Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, that's why we
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Speaker 1: play this game. We played this game that win championships,
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Speaker 1: not just to get the goat label. It's tough because
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Speaker 1: I think it applies across the board in every sport.
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Speaker 1: There's enough players that played and you and I are
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Speaker 1: roughly the same age. You know, in the nineties in
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Speaker 1: the NBA there was Jordan's and you know what, Jordan's
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Speaker 1: kind of messed it up for a lot of players
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Speaker 1: because how many times do we go through a list
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Speaker 1: of guys and go they don't have a chip, you
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Speaker 1: know what? And it's like, dude, that guy was amazing,
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Speaker 1: and yet you didn't win the ultimate goal. I mean
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Speaker 1: to me, that has to be considered. And when you're
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Speaker 1: going up against the real goat, who's MJ Like, that's
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Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of a problem here, all right.
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Speaker 1: I want to give some historical context on some of
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Speaker 1: the numbers, and once again Super Bowl era, So right
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Speaker 1: around nineteen seventy is where we're gonna mark this sucker here.
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Speaker 1: What we're gonna do here is look at an average
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Speaker 1: number of passing yards per game by quarterbacks since nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy five year increments, So from nineteen seventy to twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: the number of yards per game has increased by eighty four,
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Speaker 1: which does speak to the evolution of quarterback play, wide receivers,
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. We did those specific episodes once again
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Speaker 1: here uh real briefly, nineteen seventy hundred sixty one point
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Speaker 1: four passing yards seventy five a notch up to one
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Speaker 1: sixty two point eight, nineteen eighty a big spite, a
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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six, then two oh four. Eventually you
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Speaker 1: get to the point in twenty twenty where you're talking
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Speaker 1: about two hundred and forty five passing yards per games,
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Speaker 1: So some rough numbers to analyze there. We saw that
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Speaker 1: number hit over two hundred, by the way in the
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Speaker 1: early eighties, and then boosted by a quarterback who put
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Speaker 1: up numbers that really no one has ever seen. In fact,
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, he was my favorite quarterback
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Speaker 1: and I wasn't even a Dolphins fan. I was just
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Speaker 1: a fan of Dan Marino. N. Eighty four, the dude
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Speaker 1: through for five thousand yards, a number no one would reach.
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Speaker 1: This is when you know you're legit until Drew Brees
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Speaker 1: did it twenty four years later. Like to me, that's
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Speaker 1: it's not a record that happened two years later. It
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Speaker 1: got broken. No, no no, no, took twenty four years, almost
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Speaker 1: three decades for that number to be hit. Now, Marino
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Speaker 1: even through forty eight touchdowns, and that was a number No.
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Speaker 1: One hit until Peyton Manning, who something tells me you
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Speaker 1: might point to a little bit later in this podcast
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Speaker 1: had forty nine in two thousand four. We could also
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Speaker 1: say that he played in an arrow war defensive backs
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Speaker 1: got away with a little bit more to it, right.
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Speaker 1: I mean not to make this a basketball podcast, but
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Speaker 1: I do think about basketball in the nineties, like you
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Speaker 1: know that was that was tough. Man, were fighting out there. Legit.
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Speaker 1: Now you like you breathe too hard on a guy,
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Speaker 1: and it's for saying the wrong thing. Some words that
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Speaker 1: just weren't It's just words. When he retired, by the way, Marino,
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Speaker 1: he led the league and passing yards, completions and passing touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: He also led the a f C and passing touchdowns
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Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty three to nineteen So how do you
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Speaker 1: view a guy like Dan Marino? So, first of all,
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Speaker 1: people got to understand, if you haven't met this dude,
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Speaker 1: he's huge. Okay, he is a big dude. He was
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Speaker 1: at the Buffalo game when I was up there when
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Speaker 1: I was in my cold leather jacket and all that
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Speaker 1: stuff with Colleen and Steve Smith and m J. D Uh.
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Speaker 1: He was there and he's huge, So he's a big dude,
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Speaker 1: and he ain't running nowhere. And to to to understand
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Speaker 1: what Dan Marino met to the quarterback position, I think
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Speaker 1: he was the first guy to show coaches, to show
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Speaker 1: everybody in the football world you can will a team
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Speaker 1: up and down the field and win games consistently with
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Speaker 1: just your arm, just your arm. You don't necessarily need
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Speaker 1: to because you got to think the sixties and seventies
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Speaker 1: were dominated by the running back position. They ran the football.
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Speaker 1: The fullbacks even ran the football in the early years
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Speaker 1: of the game. And then you get this gun slinger
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Speaker 1: and Dan Marino coming out of Pittsburgh, who you know,
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Speaker 1: had a little bit of a weird delivery, but at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, he can hit any point
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Speaker 1: on the field, any point in the field. And to me,
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Speaker 1: that's his significance to the position, the fact that he
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Speaker 1: was a guy. And again I always talk about this
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Speaker 1: on Autotal Access show. There's not a lot of human
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Speaker 1: beings who can wild their team up and down the
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Speaker 1: field with just the abilities of their arm. Dan Marino,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, was the first, at least the first
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Speaker 1: big time guy where the numbers proved it and everything
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Speaker 1: on the scene at the quarterback position. All right, A
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Speaker 1: little bit of a tangent here because I had asked
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Speaker 1: you about the Super Bowl being that one moment that
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Speaker 1: kind of makes a career. And as I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: what your response was, I almost now feel bad, And
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Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't feel bad, but like, think about that, though.
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Speaker 1: You gotta have so many right circumstances to go into
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Speaker 1: place here, and it's not just about what you do
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Speaker 1: individually on the field, it's about schematically. Your coach is
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Speaker 1: the play calling your defensive which we'll talk about a
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Speaker 1: little bit later in this podcast. Like can you imagine
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Speaker 1: if and we'll talk about Joe Montana second here, if
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Speaker 1: I said Dan Marino's playing with the Niners, Like do
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Speaker 1: we have a very different conversation about Dan Marino and
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Speaker 1: a very different one about Joe Montana? Or absolutely? I mean,
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Speaker 1: and again I know we're gonna get to Joe Montana,
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Speaker 1: but you talk about Joe Montana. Yes, one, four super bowls,
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Speaker 1: all lit those things he wanted every time he got there,
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Speaker 1: but he had Bill Walsh, and I'm one of those
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Speaker 1: guys where to me, you cannot discount the fact that
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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, who is one of the architects of offense
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Speaker 1: in our game. Almost every single offense on any level
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Speaker 1: of anything of football has some type of Bill Walsh
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Speaker 1: principle associated with it. That's how influential that guy was.
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Speaker 1: And so that's who Joe Montana had it. So I
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Speaker 1: kind of, you know, I give some of that success
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Speaker 1: to Bill Walsh as well. Yeah, I had asked you
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Speaker 1: on a previous podcast when we talked about running backs.
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Speaker 1: I said, Emmitt Smith, right, and he was like, dude,
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Speaker 1: he was good. But I think about those big boys
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Speaker 1: up from Larry Allen, those guys and I played with
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Speaker 1: Larry Allen, Hall of Fame guy. We we talked about
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Speaker 1: the past rushers and Lawrence Telling. Again, I think Lawrence
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Speaker 1: Tell was one of the best ever to do it right,
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Speaker 1: but he was in the Buddy Ryan defense who was
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Speaker 1: kind of to the National Football League, and it has
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Speaker 1: some advantageous situations for him. Let's just say that, I
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Speaker 1: say I respond to everything that m Rob said with this.
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Speaker 1: By the time we get to the end of the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Who you think is the goat or who you thought
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Speaker 1: was your selection? It might be different because as I
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Speaker 1: was going through those notes, I had a guy in
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Speaker 1: my head, and after I finished digesting everything, I said, I, So,
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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing that out there. It could be very
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Speaker 1: different if you just stick with us here, Joe Montana,
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Speaker 1: I will bring him up now. Obviously different than Marino.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that offense with wash, a West Coast offense
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Speaker 1: that relied heavily on a little bit more efficiency, less
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Speaker 1: on the Dare I say that bred far sort of
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Speaker 1: gun slinger mentality. We'll talk about far of coming up here.
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Speaker 1: His numbers over passing yards, two seventy three passing touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: Those numbers might seem big, but for context, they're not
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Speaker 1: even in the top eighteen all time. Here's the difference.
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Speaker 1: Though he won two m v ps, and he delivered
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Speaker 1: when it mattered the most a point a passer rating
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Speaker 1: in four Super Bowls. By the way, all championships also
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Speaker 1: had eleven touchdowns zero interceptions in those games. And it
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Speaker 1: also helps if you have a guy named Cherry, right,
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Speaker 1: Jerry Rice the goat the greatest way I received it
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Speaker 1: we've ever seen. But I mean to hear those numbers
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Speaker 1: from Joe Montane. And again, I don't want our listeners
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Speaker 1: to say, oh, Mike rob I'm talking about Bill Walsh.
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Speaker 1: To take something away from Joe Montown, know that hundred
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Speaker 1: passer rade. I mean those are real numbers. Eleven touchdowns
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Speaker 1: were intercepted. He plead did that. He played those games.
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Speaker 1: He had to make the real end game decisions. He
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Speaker 1: had to be cool as a cue. Come. I remember
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Speaker 1: he would talk about it. Forget that Super Bowl where
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Speaker 1: he had to make that big long drive and he's
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Speaker 1: in the huddle talking about John Candy up in the stands.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that was his superpower, being calm and
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Speaker 1: collected in those crazy situations. But again, when you have
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Speaker 1: a guy like a Bill Walsh, who, again through necessity
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Speaker 1: because his offensive line wasn't that good at some of
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Speaker 1: the lower levels, had to the hell up a new
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Speaker 1: style of offense that the league hadn't seen. Again, Ernie's
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Speaker 1: and Pez did the same thing Mike Martz at the time.
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Speaker 1: You remember Mike Martz when he had our Kurt Warner.
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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner I mean said all types of records, right.
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Speaker 1: But when he left, Mike Martz and that offense wasn't
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Speaker 1: coach the same he went to the Giants. Kurt looked
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Speaker 1: a little bit different to me. That had a lot
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Speaker 1: to do again with the play called, and it flips
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Speaker 1: the other way. You know. We talked about this on
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Speaker 1: another episode about two h um Man. You know, look
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Speaker 1: at how different his season was with Mike McDaniel there.
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Speaker 1: And it's not not it's just sometimes guys gravitate towards
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Speaker 1: a specific scheme of just a better fit. Talked to
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Speaker 1: differently from a coach's perspective. You know, how you show
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Speaker 1: up to work like those and your mindset heading into
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Speaker 1: that day changes depending on leadership. And it's not a
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Speaker 1: positive or negative thing, you know, not to knock anyone,
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Speaker 1: it's just kind of the reality of some of those
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Speaker 1: situations I mentioned far. I think he's important to get to.
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Speaker 1: It's a guy who's won three consecutive mp he's seven.
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Speaker 1: He's still fourth all time in yards touchdown, only behind
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Speaker 1: a couple of guys who could be on the Mount
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Speaker 1: Rushmore of quarterbacks and Brady Breeze and Manning eighteen seasons
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Speaker 1: of three thousand plus passing yards, second only to Yacht
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Speaker 1: t Beach twelve and his eleven Pro Bowls were the
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Speaker 1: most by a quarterback when he retired. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of good that comes with Brett Farve. There's also some
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Speaker 1: stuff that happens when when you play a whole lot
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Speaker 1: as well. Also the record holder in most career interceptions
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Speaker 1: thrown and fumblest six I and t s a hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty six fumbles, a total of five hundred and
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Speaker 1: two career turnover. That doesn't even sound right you saying that,
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Speaker 1: right and two and he has a winning record. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's all the fame worthy just in itself, right,
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Speaker 1: being able to overcome the turnover that Green Bay fans,
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Speaker 1: by the way, they love this because Aaron Rodgers is
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Speaker 1: coming up later in this episode. Think about he's kind
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Speaker 1: of the antithesis when it comes to touchdown the interception
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Speaker 1: ratio and yet far you know, look context here. One
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Speaker 1: in every thirty throws that far through was what's an Like,
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Speaker 1: that's crazy to me. But there's also something to be
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Speaker 1: said for playing and being available most consecutive starts by
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Speaker 1: a quarterback two hundred and that to me is as
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Speaker 1: impressive as any of the passing records that he holds.
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Speaker 1: It is very impressive. I mean quarterbacks sometimes, yea, we
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Speaker 1: see it all the time. I mean, hell, all referees
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Speaker 1: can't get rough in the passing right, right, because sometimes
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Speaker 1: they're in such compromising positions and situations when they're trying
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Speaker 1: to throw the football and just kind of operate their offense.
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Speaker 1: And so the fact that Brett far through deaths in
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Speaker 1: his family, through everything that's going on, through stuff going
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Speaker 1: on in his personal life that we all knew that
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Speaker 1: was a very public thing, he still went out there
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Speaker 1: and played football. So to me, yet that there has
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Speaker 1: to be something said about that. But there also has
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Speaker 1: to be something said about that. And again, I I
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Speaker 1: almost think I'm saying something wrong because it's Brett Farve.
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Speaker 1: He only got one super Bowl, right, one? Like I
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Speaker 1: talked about Anne Rodgers. How do you say I got one?
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Speaker 1: He got the same amount as me, and I had
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Speaker 1: none of the talent those guys head And if they
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Speaker 1: were that great, shouldn't we get more out of them?
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Speaker 1: Shouldn't we get more championship? Sham. I'm not saying you
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Speaker 1: can throw that out there. But once again, by the
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Speaker 1: end of this podcast, you might say there's a reason
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Speaker 1: and some guys that have more of those championships might
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Speaker 1: have just had I don't know, the top five defense
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Speaker 1: might have had a guy like Jerry Rice. Those circumstances
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Speaker 1: dictate a lot of this conversation. I mentioned both the
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Speaker 1: good and the bad for far and we've done that
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Speaker 1: for a lot of these players. Does is he in
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Speaker 1: this conversation? I mean, clearly he is because we're talking
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Speaker 1: about him, But should he be discussed this way with
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Speaker 1: some of those turnovers that you made reference to? I
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Speaker 1: think so, God think I think when you when I
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Speaker 1: think about the greatest of all time, I think about
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Speaker 1: you have to when you think about the position, you
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Speaker 1: can't think about the position without thinking about the player.
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Speaker 1: And when I think about the quarterback position, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: we can say what we want to say about Brett
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Speaker 1: father and his personal life and miss Hues Funds, whatever
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Speaker 1: it was you want to say about it, interceptions, all that.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, when you think about
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Speaker 1: the quarterback position in the National Football League, Brett Farve
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Speaker 1: does come across your brain. Uh, you've ever heard of
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Speaker 1: the word entrapment? Okay, I'm actually glad. I wasn't even
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Speaker 1: doing this on purpose, but I just realized that if
17:34
Speaker 1: you not if you didn't give the answer that you
17:36
Speaker 1: just gave. I was going to follow up on a
17:38
Speaker 1: conversation you and I had off their today about Josh Allen.
17:42
Speaker 1: We're talking about some of the turnovers and you know
17:45
Speaker 1: he's leaving the NFL and takeaways at this point of
17:47
Speaker 1: this record, and you still stand by your guy because
17:50
Speaker 1: of that. Mental's the mentality. And again in my notes,
17:53
Speaker 1: I talked about Brett fav being authentic. His personality was
17:56
Speaker 1: authentic and it showed up in his play. Right. Brett
17:59
Speaker 1: Farve was gonna try you. He was gonna talk trash
18:01
Speaker 1: to warrant sap, he was gonna get in his face there. Yeah,
18:04
Speaker 1: he was gonna see it tight. He didn't see a
18:05
Speaker 1: window small enough that he didn't think he could get
18:07
Speaker 1: a football through. So I can live with that, And
18:10
Speaker 1: to a back to our conversation with Josh Allen, I
18:12
Speaker 1: can live with it. He fights defensive tackles at practice
18:15
Speaker 1: and in the game. I've seen it with my own
18:16
Speaker 1: two wives jams, So yeah, I can live with a
18:18
Speaker 1: couple of interceptions. Once again, So for anyone who's who's
18:22
Speaker 1: thinking that m Rob talks out of both sides of
18:23
Speaker 1: his mouth, no, he is very consistent in the line
18:27
Speaker 1: of thinking. All right, still to come, we continue this
18:29
Speaker 1: conversation on quarterbacks. In fact, we'll flip ahead in terms
18:32
Speaker 1: of generational type quarterbacks and give you some stats that
18:35
Speaker 1: once again might have you rethinking who you think is
18:38
Speaker 1: the goats before listening to this entire podcast that's still
18:42
Speaker 1: to come on NFL Explained. All right, welcome back to
18:51
Speaker 1: the NFL Explained podcast. We're talking about goats, in fact,
18:55
Speaker 1: just one goat, and I'm a little undecided on who
18:58
Speaker 1: that go to the quarterback spot actually is. And I'll
19:01
Speaker 1: let you guys decide by the end of this podcast,
19:02
Speaker 1: because I'm telling you there's a crazy stat coming up
19:05
Speaker 1: a little bit later that totally had me rethinking entire time.
19:10
Speaker 1: I think it's going to shave every show that I
19:12
Speaker 1: do on Total Access as well, because we always talk
19:15
Speaker 1: about these skill position players and what they do. But
19:17
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm telling you the guys on the
19:19
Speaker 1: other side of the field, they're pretty good something. Uh
19:23
Speaker 1: as far as quarterbacks go. Drew Brees and I think
19:25
Speaker 1: about the numbers, I think about his winning mentality, I
19:28
Speaker 1: think about some of the production here and just how
19:31
Speaker 1: prolific he was when he was playing. Here's some numbers
19:34
Speaker 1: for you. Over eighty thousand passing yards, five hundred and
19:38
Speaker 1: seventy one passing touchdowns, both of those numbers behind Tom Brady.
19:43
Speaker 1: The guy owns five of the fourteen five thousand yard
19:47
Speaker 1: passing seasons of all time. Next player, by the way,
19:50
Speaker 1: is Tom Brady. Here's the other number for me that
19:54
Speaker 1: is really meaningful. The three highest single season completion percentages
19:58
Speaker 1: in NFL history. Those are Drew Brees seventy four point
20:05
Speaker 1: four per sent in nineteen seventy four point I mean,
20:09
Speaker 1: you were pointing at me when I was saying it.
20:10
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I just want our listeners and viewers to
20:14
Speaker 1: think about that. For three years straight Drew Brees three
20:19
Speaker 1: out of every four passes was complete. Wild. That is
20:23
Speaker 1: ridiculously crazy. And guys, the defense, defensive backs, everybody, they
20:28
Speaker 1: get paid a lot of money to not allow the
20:30
Speaker 1: wide receivers to catch the football. I mean, that's that
20:34
Speaker 1: is crazy, Yams, It's crazy. What was it about Drew
20:37
Speaker 1: Brees that had him being that successful statistically? I would
20:42
Speaker 1: say accuracy and where you put the football, Because see
20:45
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, I wouldn't sit here, and I don't. I
20:47
Speaker 1: don't think anybody would say Drew Brees had the strongest
20:51
Speaker 1: arm right, but his ability to fit the ball in
20:54
Speaker 1: the tight windows right with anticipation in timing, and it's
20:58
Speaker 1: a catchable ball. Like so everybody knows I'm Bills Mafia
21:02
Speaker 1: right now. I love Josh Allen. And even when I
21:04
Speaker 1: talked to Josh, like the conversations I've had with him,
21:07
Speaker 1: I'm like, Josh sometimes, bro, when you throw that thing, man,
21:10
Speaker 1: especially as a running back, when I do my punching
21:12
Speaker 1: pivot and I turned around over the football, you're throwing
21:15
Speaker 1: smokers man that that knows that that football is down
21:18
Speaker 1: and to complete a reception. Yes, there's a throw part
21:22
Speaker 1: to it, but the other part is me being able
21:24
Speaker 1: to catch it. And the nose is always down. With
21:28
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, oftentimes the nose is a little
21:30
Speaker 1: bit then because they're driving the football right. Drew Brees,
21:33
Speaker 1: the nose stayed up and it allows the receiver to
21:37
Speaker 1: snatch it out of the air right and be able
21:39
Speaker 1: to do kind of what he wants to do with it.
21:41
Speaker 1: To me, I'm not so sure there's been another quarterback
21:44
Speaker 1: better at ball placement. And accuracy, and if you can
21:47
Speaker 1: put the ball where you need to put it um
21:50
Speaker 1: where the receiver can go, that means you're processing information
21:52
Speaker 1: at a very high level. That's to me, that was
21:55
Speaker 1: Drew Brees' superpower, his accuracy, his ball placement, and his
21:59
Speaker 1: ability to process things. I mean, there's oftentimes on Drew
22:02
Speaker 1: Brees second step. So for all my quarterbacks out there,
22:06
Speaker 1: the first step is your power step to get away
22:08
Speaker 1: from your understanding. Your second step is another power step
22:10
Speaker 1: to kind of continue to drive away. By the second step,
22:14
Speaker 1: Drew Brees oftentimes knew where he was going with the football,
22:17
Speaker 1: and the defense hadn't always said itself by that time,
22:20
Speaker 1: but Drew Brees knew what they were doing before often
22:23
Speaker 1: times they knew what they were doing. Again, I don't
22:26
Speaker 1: know if there's been another quarterback on that, you know,
22:28
Speaker 1: to his level of doing it, throwing the ball, ball
22:31
Speaker 1: placement and obviously processing data. How many Super Bowls though one? Yeah,
22:37
Speaker 1: that's the thing for me. You just said something. We
22:39
Speaker 1: highlighted the accuracy for Drew Brees. I would imagine you
22:43
Speaker 1: felt like when you were playing quarterback, you could hit
22:46
Speaker 1: any mark anywhere. I would imagine every other quarterback in
22:49
Speaker 1: the NFL. When they hear accuracy, They're like, are you
22:52
Speaker 1: kidding me? I could hit like a quarter You want
22:54
Speaker 1: to throw a quarter down the football field, I'll hit that.
22:56
Speaker 1: Damn le gonna stop you right there. I agree with that.
22:59
Speaker 1: I believe every single quarterback or everybody who's played quarterback
23:02
Speaker 1: says that publicly. Yes, I'm I'm real, Mike robbed Um okay,
23:08
Speaker 1: And when I got to the National Football League, I
23:09
Speaker 1: remember calling my brother, was one of my biggest fans,
23:12
Speaker 1: and my dude one of my best friends, and I'm saying, Bro,
23:15
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could have played quarterback in
23:17
Speaker 1: this league. The accuracy and ball placement is on point.
23:24
Speaker 1: And I used to always remember I used to always
23:27
Speaker 1: have to think about where that ball was gonna go
23:29
Speaker 1: in it, but went until, you know, later on in
23:31
Speaker 1: my last year playing, and I was really feeling good
23:33
Speaker 1: about it, where the ball was just coming out, just
23:35
Speaker 1: throw it. I wasn't aiming. I wasn't aiming, and the
23:38
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks just do that naturally. It's just what it was.
23:41
Speaker 1: But to your point, yeah, every quarterback will say that
23:45
Speaker 1: out loud, but what are they saying to themselves? And
23:47
Speaker 1: I believe. Quarterbacks will say they can hit every part
23:50
Speaker 1: on the football field, but do they really know if
23:52
Speaker 1: they can't. No, I don't think they do. That's good.
23:55
Speaker 1: I just I kind of wanted to hear that because
23:56
Speaker 1: I heard we gave the numbers for for Drew Brees,
24:00
Speaker 1: and yet I'm going through a short list of the
24:02
Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks that have played in this game, and I
24:05
Speaker 1: think it is important to highlight those numbers in particular,
24:08
Speaker 1: because I think all these guys can say because it's
24:11
Speaker 1: frustrating at times when we get closer to the NFL
24:13
Speaker 1: Draft and you hear the same phrases like pinpoint accuracy
24:16
Speaker 1: or you know, a guy can make every throw on
24:17
Speaker 1: the football field, And in my mind, I'm like, all right,
24:19
Speaker 1: I bet that guy believes it, But how come they're
24:21
Speaker 1: not all doing it? Well, a lot of those buzz
24:24
Speaker 1: words come up because not everybody watches Tate, no doubt,
24:27
Speaker 1: and so what happens is you see one guy saying that,
24:29
Speaker 1: people start started falling back to that stuff. That's why
24:31
Speaker 1: I always say, even talk producers here, I can't talk
24:34
Speaker 1: about the Gunless. I've seen him on tape, ye know.
24:38
Speaker 1: And I remember when Justin Herbert was coming out and
24:42
Speaker 1: people were talking about a lack of accuracy for him
24:44
Speaker 1: because the numbers were raw. And if you I just
24:47
Speaker 1: happened to know this, because you know, I was obviously
24:49
Speaker 1: covering him when he was in college. He had like
24:52
Speaker 1: one season the team had tracked it. I think it
24:56
Speaker 1: was like forty five drops. I mean it was something unwowable.
24:59
Speaker 1: And how many times I watched the game to your point,
25:01
Speaker 1: watching the film going, you know that that throw couldn't
25:04
Speaker 1: have been better, and that guy football exactly. So sometimes
25:07
Speaker 1: those numbers are a little skewed. But the point is
25:10
Speaker 1: all these guys are super talented. But the next guy
25:12
Speaker 1: on our list is I think a real contender for
25:15
Speaker 1: the goat spot. That's Peyton Manning different facet of the game.
25:19
Speaker 1: Here across the board what he I could see it? Man,
25:23
Speaker 1: how about you just take this man? It was a badman.
25:27
Speaker 1: Oh he was all right here here the numbers here,
25:29
Speaker 1: five NFL MVP awards most of all time, three second
25:33
Speaker 1: place finishes, seven time First Team All Pro That ties
25:38
Speaker 1: the most by any quarterback autogram the other guy. Two
25:41
Speaker 1: Super Bowl wins and a Super Bowl m v P.
25:43
Speaker 1: Those some of the statistics and some of the numbers
25:45
Speaker 1: there quantified for me. So yeah, yeah, I wentn't alive
25:50
Speaker 1: when every single quarterback let's play in the National Football
25:53
Speaker 1: League has went through. I used my favorite quarterback of
25:55
Speaker 1: all time before I experienced Peg Manning was Joe nam Right,
26:00
Speaker 1: And no, I wasn't alive when Joe named was on
26:02
Speaker 1: the side. I was doing this thing. But when I
26:03
Speaker 1: watched the tape and I watched film of him was
26:06
Speaker 1: calling his own plays and then he would put on
26:08
Speaker 1: a fur coat on the sideline. Man, you know, I
26:11
Speaker 1: just thought that was so cool, and I'm like, damn,
26:13
Speaker 1: how can that dude just be wearing for Coco out
26:15
Speaker 1: party in the night before, call his own plays understand
26:18
Speaker 1: the game that much when he can do that. So
26:20
Speaker 1: that's why I rolled with Joe Namath and then I
26:23
Speaker 1: encounter Paid Manning. Okay, so Yeams, he's the greatest quarterback
26:28
Speaker 1: of all time in my opinion. He's the greatest quarterback
26:31
Speaker 1: of all time in my opinion. Okay, this is so
26:34
Speaker 1: much here. First of all, immediately when he got the
26:38
Speaker 1: National Football League, he didn't look overwhelm. Yes, he had
26:41
Speaker 1: the interceptions were there, but he looked like he could
26:44
Speaker 1: operate in the National Football Last whatever football player wants
26:47
Speaker 1: to know man. Like I used to tell you on
26:49
Speaker 1: a previous episode, I would call home, man, how did
26:51
Speaker 1: I look? Man? Forget my numbers? Did I look like
26:53
Speaker 1: a kid out there? Did I look like a grown
26:55
Speaker 1: man I was supposed to be out there? He looked
26:57
Speaker 1: the part that's number one. And he basically developed an
27:01
Speaker 1: offense like for real. And I say that because I
27:04
Speaker 1: was in college when um, you know, it was kind
27:07
Speaker 1: of early in his career in two thousand two, two three,
27:09
Speaker 1: two thousand four. And I remember our coaching staff because
27:12
Speaker 1: coach Carlwell used to be at Penn State, and our
27:15
Speaker 1: coaching staff we would go to Indy to see the
27:18
Speaker 1: passing principles and things that they were doing. And and
27:21
Speaker 1: what he did was he married some some real cool
27:24
Speaker 1: passing principles to the outside zone, stretched play and all
27:27
Speaker 1: those things. He was able to kind of operate everything
27:30
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. He really didn't necessarily need
27:32
Speaker 1: the guy calling plays from the sil and he needed
27:34
Speaker 1: the information and the input from the guys and stuff
27:37
Speaker 1: from the booth. But he was the maestro. He was
27:39
Speaker 1: handling it all at the line of scrimmage. I think
27:42
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos thought that's what they were getting with
27:45
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, a guy who was gonna bring them a playbook. See,
27:49
Speaker 1: I knew Adam Gates out of Gates with my guy
27:51
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Adam Gates used to be the office coordinator
27:54
Speaker 1: for Peyton Manning when he was in Denver. And Adam
27:56
Speaker 1: told me, Mike, when Peyton got there, when he was
27:58
Speaker 1: choosing the team, he sat me down and taught me
28:03
Speaker 1: his offense and what we we're gonna run. Think about
28:07
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Your offensive coordinators paid to be there,
28:12
Speaker 1: the top brain on the offense. And he said, no, Bro,
28:15
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm going on my team search. I'm
28:17
Speaker 1: going around and see what teams I want to go to.
28:20
Speaker 1: I want to make sure the front office straight. Don't
28:21
Speaker 1: worry about the offense. I'll teach coordinated offense. That was
28:24
Speaker 1: his thing, and I want to make sure my defense
28:25
Speaker 1: is straight. She went to Denver and he sat down
28:28
Speaker 1: and talked a whole plate. But to them, okay, think
28:32
Speaker 1: about that. To me, that is amazing. That's on that
28:34
Speaker 1: Joe naming thing where I can go out the night
28:36
Speaker 1: before and they come out of the tall place. That's
28:38
Speaker 1: why you see my training and thought. You see my thinking. Okay,
28:41
Speaker 1: he did it with multiple teams. He did it with Indy,
28:44
Speaker 1: a right broke bunt records at all that, and then
28:46
Speaker 1: he did it with the Denver Broncos. And I was
28:49
Speaker 1: the best offensive season that our game has ever seen. It.
28:52
Speaker 1: Of course, it ended in defeat to my Seattle Seahawks.
28:57
Speaker 1: When I was in San Francisco, Yams, we played the
29:00
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Coats. I was a returner. I got tripped up.
29:03
Speaker 1: I'm gonna score a touchdown that game. Anyway. We were
29:07
Speaker 1: down by two obe three. That's that's in consequence. He
29:13
Speaker 1: got the ball on his own, like seven or eight
29:15
Speaker 1: yard line, eight minutes left in the game. Yams. We're
29:19
Speaker 1: on the side line saying, Bro, we've been to win
29:22
Speaker 1: this thing. We're gonna get the ball back. He gonna
29:24
Speaker 1: put it to his names. I'm telling man, we're gonna
29:26
Speaker 1: take this thing back. Bro, We're gonna do this. We're
29:28
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Alex Smith gonna throw me a rail
29:30
Speaker 1: route down the We're gonna win this game, Yams. That
29:34
Speaker 1: excitement turned into me taking a knee mad as Peyton
29:40
Speaker 1: Manning is taking a knee on our four yard line.
29:44
Speaker 1: Game over. He held the ball for eight and a
29:47
Speaker 1: half minutes and we didn't touch the ball again. We
29:50
Speaker 1: were we were moving the ball in their defense, but
29:53
Speaker 1: he had to wear with all to say, you know what,
29:56
Speaker 1: y'all ain't gonna touch the fielding. He made sure he
29:59
Speaker 1: hiked the ball with one second on the clock every
30:01
Speaker 1: single time, and he managed the entire damn thing. I
30:04
Speaker 1: remember watching our coaches on the sideline like it's nothing
30:08
Speaker 1: we can do, there is nothing we can do. Oh
30:13
Speaker 1: and then one last thing. I'm sorry, Peyton Man's best
30:15
Speaker 1: quarterback of all time in my pain after we beat
30:19
Speaker 1: the hell out him in the Super Bowl. Okay, this dude,
30:22
Speaker 1: I sat there and watched him. He waited for every
30:27
Speaker 1: single one of us to finish our press conferences, all
30:30
Speaker 1: of us. You know, I wo wasn't a quarterback, so
30:32
Speaker 1: I'm a fullback. I got a little table, you know
30:33
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He waited for all of us to finish,
30:36
Speaker 1: shook every last one of our hands, every last one.
30:40
Speaker 1: I'm telling all fifty three guys that we could be
30:43
Speaker 1: available for the game. He made sure he made a
30:46
Speaker 1: connection with every single one of them. And then the
30:48
Speaker 1: man took a picture with my mama. Okay, why he's
30:52
Speaker 1: in the middle of bit defeated. Okay, I ain't never
30:54
Speaker 1: seen nothing like it, So YEAHMS. The only thing that
30:58
Speaker 1: stopped to me, that stop Peyton Manning from getting even
31:00
Speaker 1: more Super Bowls was the fact that he physically couldn't
31:03
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Towards at the end, he was as
31:06
Speaker 1: healthy as the Tom Brady was. I think he would
31:09
Speaker 1: get it. If he had a coach, a defensive guy
31:12
Speaker 1: like Bill Belichick, I think he would have more. But
31:15
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he took two teams.
31:17
Speaker 1: He'd been to Pro Bowl with two different teams. It
31:19
Speaker 1: was an All Pro with two different He took multiple guys,
31:21
Speaker 1: he elevated multiple guys, and he had his own offense.
31:24
Speaker 1: For that, I give him the best quarterback of all time. Alright,
31:27
Speaker 1: just for clarification purposes, Yeah, I just want to be
31:29
Speaker 1: clear A lot no know. What you said about teaching
31:33
Speaker 1: his offense like Landin in Denver sounds amazing. I just
31:37
Speaker 1: want to be clear here. The other guys that we've
31:39
Speaker 1: been talking about so far and the guys that we
31:40
Speaker 1: will be talking about on this podcast, he don't do
31:44
Speaker 1: that can't do that. I'm not saying they can't, right,
31:47
Speaker 1: they just didn't do it. They haven't done it, okay,
31:49
Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is jail. Are there some nuances
31:52
Speaker 1: about the Mike McCarthy offense that are strictly tailor to
31:57
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? Absolutely? Are there some nuances of offense that
32:02
Speaker 1: are strictly tailored to the Mahomes of the world and
32:04
Speaker 1: the app slutely, but um. When Tom Brady was looking
32:09
Speaker 1: for when he was a free agent, he was looking
32:11
Speaker 1: for a team to go to. When I heard the
32:14
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers general manager when he talked about him,
32:17
Speaker 1: he was like, it was almost like Tom was trying
32:20
Speaker 1: to get us to pick him. Right. It was almost like, Wow,
32:25
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I would get that type of
32:27
Speaker 1: Tom was looking for offense that fit him, and yes,
32:30
Speaker 1: he had some passing principles that he would add to it.
32:34
Speaker 1: But he won't bring an offense. He won't say, Oh no,
32:36
Speaker 1: I don't matter. I'm gonna sit there and teach you
32:38
Speaker 1: about what I did up in here and this is
32:39
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. No Bomban Leftwich and Bruce Areans
32:42
Speaker 1: had to come together and have that play. Okay, I'm
32:45
Speaker 1: glad you bring that up here. Last point here before
32:47
Speaker 1: we get to Tom Brady, who's coming up next year.
32:49
Speaker 1: We mentioned Drew Brees indoor versus outdoor played most of
32:53
Speaker 1: his career indoor. I just want to throw this out there.
32:55
Speaker 1: The numbers generally speaking are skewed better production indoor for
33:01
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. I say that for Peyton Manning as a comparison,
33:05
Speaker 1: the numbers generally equal indoor versus outdoor, which I think
33:10
Speaker 1: is it speaks to your point, it doesn't matter the venue.
33:14
Speaker 1: I know people talk about Peyton playing in the cold,
33:16
Speaker 1: oh yeah. And then on top of that, he played
33:19
Speaker 1: in a f C. Who do you have to go through?
33:22
Speaker 1: You had to go through the Times and the Bill
33:24
Speaker 1: Belichicks and he had to go through that guard every
33:26
Speaker 1: single year. Alright. So once he had the leader in
33:28
Speaker 1: the clubhouse on all this stuff, Like when I saw
33:31
Speaker 1: we were going to do this episode, I'm like, oh,
33:32
Speaker 1: all right, this is gonna be like the Tom Brady
33:35
Speaker 1: to the Goat episode. This section is okay, uh Brady,
33:40
Speaker 1: and the number like, are you serious? Some of this
33:43
Speaker 1: stuff is just it's it's crazy. Here. I'll just go
33:47
Speaker 1: through some of these wins. Entering the playoffs, Brady thirty
33:49
Speaker 1: five wins uh three more wins which he may or
33:53
Speaker 1: may not get next season, depending on what he decides.
33:56
Speaker 1: More playoff wins than any NFL franchise, Just crazy, except
34:01
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, who has the most with thirty seven.
34:04
Speaker 1: Here are some of the individual numbers. Eighty nine thou
34:07
Speaker 1: passing yards a little over that, sixty nine passing touchdowns,
34:11
Speaker 1: seven super Bowl wins, ten super Bowl appearances, all of
34:14
Speaker 1: those numbers, by the way, most all time. Three NFL
34:17
Speaker 1: MVP Awards tied for the third best with Peyton Manning,
34:20
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers still to come, by the way, only five
34:23
Speaker 1: times super Bowl m v P and NFL history. When
34:26
Speaker 1: I say that there is a long freaking list in
34:28
Speaker 1: front of me, it's a long list. I will stop
34:30
Speaker 1: there and let you explain what's the most special thing
34:35
Speaker 1: about Brady is. Maybe the answer is longevity. But there's
34:40
Speaker 1: a reason why you called him the greatest winner, and
34:42
Speaker 1: I think it speaks to the Super Bowls that I
34:43
Speaker 1: made reference to. But you hedge on calling him the
34:45
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback of all time. Yeah, Um, he is the
34:48
Speaker 1: greatest winner our game has ever seen. He is the
34:50
Speaker 1: greatest force multiplier at the quarterback position that this game
34:53
Speaker 1: has ever seen. And I can make arguments that those
34:56
Speaker 1: first two or three Super Bowls were kind of one
34:58
Speaker 1: off the defensive Proud was, running game prow was or
35:00
Speaker 1: whatever before Brady kind of figured out this greatness about him.
35:05
Speaker 1: You know, I figured out what made him himself. Right. Um,
35:09
Speaker 1: the numbers that you just talked about, to me that
35:12
Speaker 1: not only is a testament to the teams that he's
35:15
Speaker 1: played on and his ability as football ability, but yeah,
35:18
Speaker 1: it's the longevity. Man with three seasons. Nobody does that.
35:24
Speaker 1: That wasn't even the thing. He's playing alongside guys that
35:26
Speaker 1: weren't even born when he first started playing. Um, in
35:30
Speaker 1: the in the National Football and I started playing football,
35:33
Speaker 1: But in the NFL when he first started playing, they
35:36
Speaker 1: weren't even born. And again, being the greatest winner is
35:40
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And I don't want it just to
35:42
Speaker 1: seem like I'm knocking Tom Brady or anything like that.
35:44
Speaker 1: I just think that when I compare him, I'm talking
35:47
Speaker 1: about the quarterback position and the demands and things that
35:50
Speaker 1: are associated with the quarterback position. I just put him
35:53
Speaker 1: a little bit of a notcher two behind Peyton Manning
35:57
Speaker 1: the attention Siper Bowl appearances, by the way, twice as
35:59
Speaker 1: many as any other quarterback in NFL history. The Super
36:02
Speaker 1: Bowl completions two and seventy seven the season. Yeah, he's
36:08
Speaker 1: got more completions in the Super Bowl than any other
36:10
Speaker 1: player has attempts paint Manning by the way times it's crazy,
36:15
Speaker 1: man And again, like, I don't know if we're gonna
36:17
Speaker 1: see another quarterback played this long. I mean just simply
36:21
Speaker 1: because I do think that you know when the quarterback
36:23
Speaker 1: because they make so much money. When you look in
36:25
Speaker 1: your bank account, you gotta hunt in fifty million dollars.
36:27
Speaker 1: Is hard to get up and go to work. You know,
36:29
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get hit up and beat up on every day.
36:31
Speaker 1: But I don't know if we'll see a guy played
36:33
Speaker 1: this long again. My guess is probably no. You can
36:36
Speaker 1: make the argument yes because of nutrition and training and
36:39
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I think about some of the
36:41
Speaker 1: younger guys and what this position is like. Think about
36:43
Speaker 1: Brady's not running around here. We talked about the evolution
36:45
Speaker 1: of some of these offenses. These dudes are expected to
36:48
Speaker 1: take off these younger quarterbacks. I think to me, that
36:51
Speaker 1: screams what we've witnessed even if it's not done, and
36:55
Speaker 1: hopefully he keeps on playing. And I don't know if
36:56
Speaker 1: it's gonna be with Tampa Bay or not. Hopefully hopefully
37:00
Speaker 1: he does because I like watching them out there. But
37:01
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever see this. Well, I might
37:04
Speaker 1: get in trouble with saying this, but I think Brady
37:06
Speaker 1: is the last of the dying breed of the statute quarterback.
37:09
Speaker 1: And again, I'm not saying that you have to have
37:13
Speaker 1: a runaround guy, but he has to be dynamic. He
37:16
Speaker 1: has to be able to be Joe Burrow whisk right,
37:19
Speaker 1: avoid a little bit of a pressure kind of scramble
37:22
Speaker 1: for five or ten yards to get the first down.
37:24
Speaker 1: You have to be able to challenge the defense. Then,
37:26
Speaker 1: all right, still to come here on NFL explained, I
37:28
Speaker 1: got two more quarterbacks to dissect with you, and maybe
37:32
Speaker 1: they'll make some of our listeners goat list. We'll do
37:34
Speaker 1: that coming up next. All right, I'm rob we are
37:43
Speaker 1: all about the quarterbacks and the greatest of all time.
37:45
Speaker 1: I got two more names for you, and then we
37:47
Speaker 1: can although you already said to Painton Manning, so I'll
37:49
Speaker 1: just gonna pick a little bit later here, Brett far
37:51
Speaker 1: I've talked about the numbers, and I said we would
37:53
Speaker 1: talk about Aaron Rodgers hard not to four NFL MVP awards,
37:57
Speaker 1: second behind your guy in Peyton Manning. Fifty nine thousand
38:01
Speaker 1: passing yards, that's in the top ten, seventy five passing touchdowns,
38:05
Speaker 1: that's fifth all time. Yes, he's got the Super Bowl
38:08
Speaker 1: and a Super Bowl ring. To me, what I think
38:10
Speaker 1: is really cool. Fewest interceptions of any player with at
38:13
Speaker 1: least three hundred and fifty passing touchdowns. The next closest
38:16
Speaker 1: Mattie Ice, Matt Ryan. You know, I think if you
38:19
Speaker 1: ask a Green Bay fan, maybe they'll say Aaron Rodgers
38:21
Speaker 1: the greatest of all time. There's some things when I
38:24
Speaker 1: watch him play that just this even mentality, that Tom
38:27
Speaker 1: Brady kind of effect. I always think that's really impressive.
38:30
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's ever been a quarterback, and
38:32
Speaker 1: maybe you just disagree with me because I know it's
38:34
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, but when I watched them play, it always
38:38
Speaker 1: looks so freaking easy. It the game looks easier to
38:41
Speaker 1: me to Aaron Rodgers than any quarterback I've ever seen play. Yeah,
38:44
Speaker 1: he may have one of the top armed talents and
38:47
Speaker 1: guys I want to When I say armed talent, I
38:49
Speaker 1: mean being able to throw from different arm angles, having
38:52
Speaker 1: the big arm to be able to push it down field.
38:54
Speaker 1: We've seen all the hill Mary's from an Aaron Rodgers,
38:57
Speaker 1: the accuracy, ball placement, all of those. That's what I'm
39:00
Speaker 1: talking about when I say armed talent and Aaron Rodgers.
39:03
Speaker 1: There isn't an arm angle. There isn't a past. There
39:05
Speaker 1: isn't a defender who can get their arms in the
39:08
Speaker 1: way to stop Aaron Rodgers from completing the past if
39:11
Speaker 1: he's trying to do that. I mean, there's a lot
39:14
Speaker 1: to say a part Aaron Rodgers. I think sometimes he
39:17
Speaker 1: doesn't get put into the Greatest of All Time conversation
39:21
Speaker 1: just based off of kind of some of his recent
39:23
Speaker 1: things with the media, you know, retiring and not retlying,
39:26
Speaker 1: all those types of things. But uh, to only have
39:29
Speaker 1: a hundred five interceptions through as many years as he's
39:31
Speaker 1: played and as many times if they've thrown the football
39:34
Speaker 1: as many times if they've lived in Green Bay, of
39:36
Speaker 1: moving the offense just through his arm, that's pretty impressive.
39:40
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can't have the go conversation without talking
39:42
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers as well. I will say this though,
39:45
Speaker 1: MS I believe when I modern on it, I mean
39:48
Speaker 1: like this generation, the Patrick Mahomes, the Josh Allen's, the
39:52
Speaker 1: those guys. I do believe this generation is heavily influenced
39:57
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers. You can see his game in all
40:00
Speaker 1: of them. You mentioned Patrick Mahomes. He's the guy that
40:02
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about here. He's twenty seven years old.
40:05
Speaker 1: He's not in the goat conversation right now, quite honestly,
40:08
Speaker 1: just because of his age. He hasn't done there. But
40:09
Speaker 1: he's on his way. He's already got an m VP Award,
40:12
Speaker 1: he's got a Super Bowl win, he's been a Super
40:14
Speaker 1: Bowl m v P. I'm not even gonna get into
40:16
Speaker 1: the numbers because they're not necessarily going to compare because
40:18
Speaker 1: he hasn't played long enough here. But we talked about
40:20
Speaker 1: the magic of Mahomes. He's one of the special players
40:23
Speaker 1: that this league has of this generation here, right, Like
40:25
Speaker 1: we've heard Brady and Rogers say, hey, that next group,
40:28
Speaker 1: it's pretty damn good, and my Homes is there. If
40:31
Speaker 1: I said to you in ten years you and I
40:34
Speaker 1: are still working together, knock on alright, that's glass, But
40:37
Speaker 1: knock on wood, we're still working together. We're doing this podcast,
40:39
Speaker 1: we do another one of these versions. Is Patrick Mahomes
40:43
Speaker 1: going to be the goat? Mm hmm if Andy Reid
40:47
Speaker 1: stays around for that long too, Yeah, I think I
40:50
Speaker 1: don't think it'll be a question. I mean, the rate
40:53
Speaker 1: at which he's putting up these numbers, the growth in
40:57
Speaker 1: his game. I've seen him gone from you know, not
41:00
Speaker 1: being able to just check the ball down to now
41:02
Speaker 1: you know, they're functioning. Right, they're being very efficient as
41:05
Speaker 1: an offense, and he's hitting the right receiver almost every
41:08
Speaker 1: single time. Right. But I will say this, it's tough
41:11
Speaker 1: to anticipate the huge numbers again if he doesn't have
41:15
Speaker 1: Andy Rey. And I can't wait to see him in
41:17
Speaker 1: the playoffs without Tyrikill. I want to see that because
41:21
Speaker 1: tyri Kill is one of those special players as well. Okay,
41:23
Speaker 1: you bring the players perspective, like the guy who actually
41:26
Speaker 1: did it on the field. I just bring the talking
41:29
Speaker 1: deal and the numbers from a math perspective. I didn't
41:32
Speaker 1: even crunch these numbers. I love how I'm taking credit
41:34
Speaker 1: for crunching projection numbers. Whatever. But how about this. Our
41:40
Speaker 1: our crew is amazing. They actually did some of the
41:43
Speaker 1: numbers for us based on projections five years as a
41:46
Speaker 1: starting quarterback thus far and what we could see. So,
41:49
Speaker 1: if my Homes plays thirteen more seasons, which would put
41:52
Speaker 1: him at forty By the way, the numbers project out
41:55
Speaker 1: to eighties six thousand, five hundred passing yards and six
41:58
Speaker 1: eight six passing touchdowns, it's fewer passing yards than Brady,
42:02
Speaker 1: but more touchdowns. If my Homes places fifteen more seasons,
42:05
Speaker 1: that put him at forty two. Come on, now, this
42:07
Speaker 1: is just crazy town. The numbers nine thousand passing yards,
42:12
Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty two passing touchdowns, that would be
42:15
Speaker 1: almost seven thousand more yards than Brady and a hundred
42:18
Speaker 1: and third team war touchdowns. So it does give you
42:21
Speaker 1: some context on the trajectory of his career. Um, did
42:25
Speaker 1: they crunch his bank account to how much? Did he
42:29
Speaker 1: make three billion through fifteen years after all of that too?
42:32
Speaker 1: I mean jeez, But yeah again, if Andy Reid Eric
42:36
Speaker 1: being of those play callers are there, man, uh yeah,
42:39
Speaker 1: this run can go for a long time. Alright. One
42:42
Speaker 1: more thing, actually two more things for context here that
42:45
Speaker 1: I want to position for people listening to this podcast.
42:49
Speaker 1: We always do. It's talk radio. I spent a long
42:51
Speaker 1: time my career doing talk radio. Like I get it,
42:53
Speaker 1: Like summertime comes around, you need some topics. So greatest
42:56
Speaker 1: of all time you have all these debates here. The
42:58
Speaker 1: generational thing is it's hard to compare across generations. Our
43:02
Speaker 1: team try to build out some stats that compare some
43:05
Speaker 1: of these guys within a generation to see how much
43:07
Speaker 1: better they were than their peers. From twenty two, the
43:12
Speaker 1: average passing yards in a game was two hundred and
43:15
Speaker 1: thirty and a half. Patrick Mahomes average three hundred three
43:20
Speaker 1: yards a game over that span, so that's almost seventy
43:23
Speaker 1: three yards over the average. Drew Brees by the way,
43:26
Speaker 1: fifty seven yards over the average, Peyton Manning fifty four
43:31
Speaker 1: yards over the average, Damn Marino almost fifty eight point eight,
43:35
Speaker 1: Brady forty four over the average, Rogers thirty over the average,
43:40
Speaker 1: Far nine over the average, and then Joe Montana ten
43:44
Speaker 1: over the average, and Rob I got one more for you,
43:46
Speaker 1: a completion percentage over NFL average in their career. Joe
43:50
Speaker 1: Montana when he was playing in his era, the average
43:53
Speaker 1: NFL completion percentage was fifty. He was at sixty three
43:56
Speaker 1: so his average percentage was plus seven point two. Breeze,
44:01
Speaker 1: he was plus six point three, Manning a little over five,
44:05
Speaker 1: fare of a little over three. Rodgers was at three,
44:08
Speaker 1: Marino at two point eight, Brady at two point eight,
44:11
Speaker 1: and my Homes at two point too. So you found
44:14
Speaker 1: something pretty interesting when you were going through those numbers.
44:17
Speaker 1: The average completion percentage has been going up over time.
44:20
Speaker 1: The QB has been getting better. Yeah, the the QB
44:22
Speaker 1: position has evolved that they've been getting better. Again, you
44:25
Speaker 1: look at that Joe Montana, the NFL average completion percentage
44:30
Speaker 1: right like like that's not that wouldn't be good in
44:32
Speaker 1: today's football. You look at Patrick Mahomes NFL average sixty
44:36
Speaker 1: almost jumps. So just again, just the quarterback position in
44:41
Speaker 1: the passing game in general is getting better and they're
44:44
Speaker 1: getting coach better as well. All Right, I threw this
44:46
Speaker 1: out there at the top of the show. I continue
44:48
Speaker 1: to mention it, and here's the time. This is the
44:50
Speaker 1: number that really matters the most when it comes to
44:54
Speaker 1: the go. Touched on this a little bit before about
44:56
Speaker 1: Joe Montana the team around him. That is important. Defense, baby,
45:00
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the defense. We looked at how often
45:04
Speaker 1: each quarterback the ones that we discussed had a top
45:07
Speaker 1: ten defense, and Rob Brady had top ten defenses seventeen times,
45:13
Speaker 1: seven more than Joe Montana, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers
45:17
Speaker 1: only had three and Damn Marino four. So to me,
45:21
Speaker 1: while we can talk about, you know, the statistics, when
45:24
Speaker 1: it comes to what these guys did individually, having a
45:27
Speaker 1: pretty damn good defense, that to me might be the
45:30
Speaker 1: complete differentiator for all this stuff. I think it is
45:32
Speaker 1: defense was championships. That's an old accident that we always say.
45:35
Speaker 1: But I also think we have to kind of wrap
45:39
Speaker 1: our minds around just like whenever you have And again,
45:43
Speaker 1: some of these quarterbacks, like Tom Brady, when he was
45:45
Speaker 1: first drafted, nobody knew he was gonna be what he was.
45:48
Speaker 1: But some of these high draft picks or guys that
45:50
Speaker 1: are with these high expectations, these big time physical attributions,
45:54
Speaker 1: oftentimes the teams built around them aren't great because for
45:59
Speaker 1: them to get a chance to get that person, they
46:00
Speaker 1: were the first pick in the draft or whatever, and
46:02
Speaker 1: the team around them wasn't so good. And so when
46:05
Speaker 1: you look at it, uh like a Tom Brady, it
46:07
Speaker 1: makes sense he was a six round pick so they
46:10
Speaker 1: actually had all the they had to build a team
46:12
Speaker 1: around him because they didn't know he was gonna be
46:14
Speaker 1: that good. But it's pretty good. I didn't know Joe
46:17
Speaker 1: Montana had a top defense ten times. I did not
46:19
Speaker 1: know that, which, by the way, that ten times, that's
46:21
Speaker 1: seventy seven percent of his seasons as a starter he
46:24
Speaker 1: had a top ten defense. Brady by the way, one
46:26
Speaker 1: percent of his seasons a top ten Defensemo Manning, by
46:33
Speaker 1: the way of the time, Marino God, I feel bad
46:37
Speaker 1: for Dan Rodgers twenty and then Drew Brees the worst.
46:41
Speaker 1: Only fifteen point eight percent of his seasons as a
46:44
Speaker 1: starter he had a top ten defense. Well, Drew Brees
46:47
Speaker 1: probably made money in all these quarterbacks, you know what
46:50
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So again, you're pulling the money putting it
46:52
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Can't build a team around you. That's
46:54
Speaker 1: kind of how those things work themselves. Unless he got
46:56
Speaker 1: that TV money too on the back. I'm trying to
46:59
Speaker 1: get some of that TV money, you know what I'm saying.
47:01
Speaker 1: All Right, we'd love to hear from you guys as well.
47:03
Speaker 1: I know we continue to ask for questions on a
47:05
Speaker 1: maw back episod. I'd rather this. If you like this episode,
47:07
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47:10
Speaker 1: some of your guys comments on who do you think
47:12
Speaker 1: the goat is at that quarterback spot. Can't thank you
47:15
Speaker 1: guys enough for listening, and of course we've got some
47:17
Speaker 1: more episodes down the road of NFL explained