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LNC Creates a Stephen King Cinematic Universe · Large Nerdron Collider

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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome to the Large Nerdron Collider podcast, the
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  Speaker 1: podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in the
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  Speaker 1: world around us and how very excited we are about them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Ariel Kasten, and with me as always is the
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  Speaker 1: superb Jonathan Strickland.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Ariel, I'm building an ark, what the hell is
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  Speaker 2: a cubit?
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  Speaker 2: Um yeah yeah we're we're recording this the day before
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  Speaker 1: Yeah hopefully not too bad hopefully not flooding knock on
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  Speaker 1: I am glad that I did not buy new milk
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  Speaker 1: just in case my power goes out. I live among
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of big trees and sometimes like a butterfly
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  Speaker 1: sneezing can make our power go out sometimes. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: I'm in a place where we typically have pretty good power.
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  Speaker 2: I keep joking that someone from Georgia Power must live
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  Speaker 2: in my neighborhood because I we never have outages that
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  Speaker 2: last longer than like maybe half a minute. And that's like,
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  Speaker 2: if it's a long one, but I, maybe it's just
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  Speaker 2: the infrastructure is particularly good where I'm at since I'm
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  Speaker 2: right in the middle of the city. But the, the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the, the other bit of this is that
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  Speaker 2: as per use, this means the, the lawn crew is
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  Speaker 2: in full effect and, over in Ariel's neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 2: So it's margarita time once again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually don't hear them at this exact second.
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  Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't say that. Yeah. Part of my problem
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  Speaker 1: is our power is not all underground yet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So and again, we live among big trees. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a there's like a falling or full trees falling because
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  Speaker 1: they're on like cliffs. And it's not really something they're
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  Speaker 1: going to because it's kind of like a forest preserve area.
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  Speaker 1: I live in the city, but it's a forest preserve-ish
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  Speaker 1: area right near Nature Center. So yeah, so there's like
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  Speaker 1: a 30% chance I'm going to lose my power and
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  Speaker 1: a 30% chance I'm going to get flooded in. I
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  Speaker 1: should remember to move my car. And then if I
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  Speaker 1: do all the prep, nothing will happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's the way it works, right? You bring
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  Speaker 2: your umbrella with you and it doesn't rain. I would
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it if you did that because... it means I
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  Speaker 2: need to do less.
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  Speaker 1: I'm on it. I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, let's, let's talk about stuff we've watched.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a question this week. I forgot to
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  Speaker 2: put it in. It's, it's been a week y'all, but
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about some of the stuff we've watched since
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  Speaker 2: the last time we recorded. Cause we both finished lanterns.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think of lanterns?
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Yeah. It's hard to talk about
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  Speaker 1: without spoiling, like the the finale was just Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't want to ruin it for people who
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  Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to watch it yet. But like. Overall,
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the series and overall, I really enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: the finale. Same same thing where like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like mystery and tenseness and intrigue. And just the right
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  Speaker 1: amount of humor interspersed within it to kind of not
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  Speaker 1: make it a slog, which I really enjoy. The very,
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  Speaker 1: very end I thought was a little dumb, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: willing to overlook it because I understand why. And some
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  Speaker 1: of their decisions made me sad, and I'll talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about that in 30 seconds or less.
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  Speaker 1: But overall, it was a fun journey, and I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: to see where they go.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully. Hopefully. Okay. I, I liked it. I felt, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, for me, some of the characters seemed a
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  Speaker 2: bit inconsistent, which was confusing to me. And that may
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  Speaker 2: be because of different writers and such, but yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: was some bits where I was like, I don't understand
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  Speaker 2: this character. Like, like if I, within an episode, I
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  Speaker 2: understand the character fine, but episode to episode, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: this character's motivations and actions are hard for me to
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  Speaker 2: parse because Um, and I don't know if that's really
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  Speaker 2: the show's fault or my fault, who knows, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying that the show is a bad show. I'm
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  Speaker 2: saying that I was just struggling to understand character motivations. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I also, I also found like most of the characters
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  Speaker 2: to be, uh, largely unlikable. I think there were, likable
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  Speaker 2: moments for for most of the characters but i don't
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  Speaker 2: think i liked any of them by the end of
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  Speaker 2: it like i don't i don't think i would have
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  Speaker 2: wanted to know any of them by the.
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  Speaker 1: End of it interesting because i feel like the character
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  Speaker 1: who you thought was most unlikable at the beginning was
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  Speaker 1: quite likable at the.
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  Speaker 2: End well we also i mean that's dancing around an
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  Speaker 2: issue too because you're talking about a character who's not
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  Speaker 2: the same character as the character.
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  Speaker 1: No but i mean even at the end well i
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  Speaker 1: i think i think kind of the the flashes they
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  Speaker 1: showed of that character before the character was not the
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  Speaker 1: character he seemed more likable like i understood his motivations
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  Speaker 1: more and like i think it's really interesting the journey
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  Speaker 1: that he's been on and the moral the moral journey
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  Speaker 1: that he's been on because of his past experiences um
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  Speaker 1: because Canonically, this I guess this is not a spoiler
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  Speaker 1: because it's not really it's not something that's like a
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  Speaker 1: big major plot point. But in the comic books, my understanding,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest Green Lantern aficionado is that maybe
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. Maybe I don't remember if
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about it with you or with Tony, but
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  Speaker 1: like the Guardians are the people who lead the Green
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  Speaker 1: Lanterns are they create a lot of their own problems.
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  Speaker 1: And so like the Green Lanterns are almost their way
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  Speaker 1: of like cleaning up the problems they've already created. They're
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  Speaker 1: the problem. Hello, I'm the problem, it's me. And so
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  Speaker 1: like the show deals with some of that, not like
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  Speaker 1: it's never explicitly stated, but it deals with that concept.
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  Speaker 1: And so I thought that was all really interesting and fun.
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  Speaker 1: And I was excited as they brought in more space shit,
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  Speaker 1: pardon my language.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I understand why characters end up
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  Speaker 2: where they are because we do get to see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of their pasts. So we see the sort of
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  Speaker 2: events that shape them as people and thus inform their decisions,
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  Speaker 2: even if I find that it's not really consistent episode
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  Speaker 2: to episode. But it doesn't make me like them anymore, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I understand why you're this way, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't like you that way anyway, so.
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  Speaker 1: I did find Jon Stewart likable. I liked his journey
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  Speaker 1: to finding a little bit more balance and protection and
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  Speaker 1: brief moments of joy or sense of humor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't find him likable. And I also found
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  Speaker 2: some of his decisions really questionable. But that's for a
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  Speaker 2: deeper discussion once more people have a chance to see it.
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  Speaker 2: I do think... I did enjoy the series. I found
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  Speaker 2: it really entertaining to watch, even though I didn't really
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  Speaker 2: connect with the characters very much. I thought for a
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  Speaker 2: superhero series, it was particularly interesting. I would say if
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  Speaker 2: I were to compare it to some other like superhero
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  Speaker 2: TV series, not in terms of storyline or whatever, but
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  Speaker 2: kind of in terms of tone, I'd probably compare it
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  Speaker 2: to the first season of heroes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I liked it because we've had plenty of like
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  Speaker 1: generic hero stuff over the years. Right. And this was,
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  Speaker 1: this was a think piece about like what makes a hero,
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  Speaker 1: what shapes a hero. And I really liked it because
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those shows that like you watch it
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  Speaker 1: and then you have conversations about it. You know, you
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  Speaker 1: discuss it because not everything is cut and dry. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the world is not black and white. It's shades of gray. And,
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  Speaker 1: there are definitely things that are black and white in
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  Speaker 1: the world, but as, as far as like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even like that term, you know, there are things that
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  Speaker 1: are definitely good and things that are definitely bad and
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  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff that is situational on the in-between.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah. I thought, you know, I definitely say it's
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  Speaker 2: worth watching. If you have not checked it out, you
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  Speaker 2: should check it out. If you're a fan of superhero
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  Speaker 2: stuff and procedurals, that kind of thing. You know, I, I, I,
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  Speaker 2: it's odd to me because I felt that they reconciled
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  Speaker 2: the really big series plot in episode four, and they
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  Speaker 2: still had two more episodes to go, which was kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting. Like they, they didn't have the plot stretch
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  Speaker 2: out to cover all six episodes and incorporate everything together. Um,
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  Speaker 2: so it, in some ways it kind of battles this
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  Speaker 2: problem of the big, big rising action, set piece happening
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  Speaker 2: in episode four and then having two slightly more contemplative
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  Speaker 2: episodes to follow it up and conclude the series which
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  Speaker 2: is a that's a heck of a swing and i
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  Speaker 2: know that some folks uh didn't care for it because
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to they wanted it to end in like
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  Speaker 2: big superhero moments but that's not that's not what this
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  Speaker 2: show set out.
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  Speaker 1: To do Well, episode four was only halfway through the series.
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  Speaker 1: So there were, there were more than, I do agree
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  Speaker 1: that the, the, the, what felt like the finale were
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  Speaker 1: at a Marvel show, the way CGI lasers in the
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  Speaker 1: sky kind of finale happened in the middle of the series.
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  Speaker 2: Um, but I felt it was episode six.
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  Speaker 1: I think I, I feel like there were three episodes
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  Speaker 1: after it. So I think we're, I think split the difference.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was like episode five where the big,
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  Speaker 1: first half story climax happened. And then there were a
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  Speaker 1: few episodes after that. Maybe it wasn't for, I like
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  Speaker 1: the direction. The second, I loved it. I really enjoyed
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  Speaker 1: the first half of the show because it wasn't what
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  Speaker 1: I expected. It subverted my expectations for a green lanterns
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  Speaker 1: or a superhero story. Really? It wasn't dark like the boys.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't as cynical as the boys, but it also
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  Speaker 1: wasn't polished like a Superman story. Pre Zack Snyder. but
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  Speaker 1: the second half took a different turn and I really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 3: Second half so yeah definitely check it out if you
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen it if you are at all interested in
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  Speaker 3: superhero stuff obviously if you hate superhero stuff I don't
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  Speaker 3: think this is the show that's going to change your
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  Speaker 3: opinion but there's also a lot of fun like easter
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  Speaker 3: egg call outs for hardcore fans like lots of green
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  Speaker 3: lantern lore is dropped casually in little references and nods.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, and the show doesn't dwell on it. It just
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  Speaker 2: has it in there. And if you happen to, if
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, kind of thing. Uh, the only
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  Speaker 2: other thing I really watched and I actually, I put
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  Speaker 2: it on here before I'd even gotten very far and
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  Speaker 2: I haven't even finished the first episode, but I started carry, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the adaptation of the Stephen King novel that Mike Flanagan
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  Speaker 2: did as a series for Netflix. I believe it is. I, um,
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  Speaker 2: or Amazon. I can't remember which I started watching it.
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  Speaker 2: And I like Mike Flanagan a lot. And I like
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  Speaker 2: the characters a lot. I like the fact that it's
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  Speaker 2: an updated setting. I like how they have addressed Carrie's upbringing.
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  Speaker 2: I think all of that is great stuff. I read
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  Speaker 2: a synopsis that kind of summarized the whole series. And
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  Speaker 2: that has me not upset. Cause I don't think Carrie
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  Speaker 2: is like some sort of, you know, sacred text that
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  Speaker 2: should never be touched, but it has me wondering what
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  Speaker 2: the heck Mike Flanagan was on based upon the description
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  Speaker 2: I read, because it's very different from, um, from the novel. However,
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  Speaker 2: that being said, Mike Flanagan himself has said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there are multiple adaptations of Carrie, including the famous one
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  Speaker 2: with Sissy Spacek from the seventies. And he's like, that
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  Speaker 2: movie is about as perfect an adaptation as you can get.
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  Speaker 2: And so I didn't set out to make a perfect adaptation.
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  Speaker 2: I used Carrie as kind of the launching point for
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  Speaker 2: a new story. I respect that. It's just, it's, it's
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  Speaker 2: the thing I always run into where I get prickly,
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  Speaker 2: where you are leaning on an IP because that IP
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  Speaker 2: has recognition out in the zeitgeist, but then you're departing
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  Speaker 2: so far from that IP that it's a new thing.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, I'd almost rather you just make something
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  Speaker 2: new than lean on an IP, but it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: depending on how, faithful you are it could be in
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  Speaker 2: name only and in that point you're like what's even
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  Speaker 2: what's what's the what's the what's your benefit here apart
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  Speaker 2: from maybe getting people to initially tune in but if
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  Speaker 2: you're if you're making an adaptation that's not actually an
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  Speaker 2: adaptation then what are we even doing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean is it is it is any part of
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  Speaker 1: it because the it takes a lot more story to
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  Speaker 1: make a TV series than a movie.
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  Speaker 2: That is part of it. He's even said, and I
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  Speaker 2: think this is looked to be as a potential like
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  Speaker 2: series series, like more than just one mini series. So if,
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to have a continuation, then by definition,
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  Speaker 2: you have to build in more than what the novel allows.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, Flanagan did say that, you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: watch that 1970s adaptation of Carrie, even though it's a
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  Speaker 2: film adaptation of a novel, it pretty much hits all
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  Speaker 2: the points of the book. It doesn't, it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: obviously it can't be seen for seen because you have
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  Speaker 2: to cut stuff, but all the important things are there.
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  Speaker 2: So he's like, yeah, no, when we were making the series,
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  Speaker 2: we're fleshing stuff out. We're having to create beats and
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  Speaker 2: elements that are just not in the original. Plus like, again,
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  Speaker 2: for updating it to modern day, obviously that's a very
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  Speaker 2: different world too where you've got things like social media
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  Speaker 2: which obviously in the 70s you didn't have social media
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  Speaker 2: social media back in the 70s that was called going
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  Speaker 2: outside with your friends.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah okay so hear me out because i never
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  Speaker 1: actually read carrie i have seen the old movie although
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  Speaker 1: it's been a long long time um yeah i'm i
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  Speaker 1: like some stephen king stuff but i'm not like a
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  Speaker 1: fan of his work so we get carrie second season
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  Speaker 1: is fire starter and then third season is Pet Sematary
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  Speaker 1: and it's the new dead boy detectives but Stephen King
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  Speaker 1: instead of Gaiman and it's Firestarter and Carrie with their
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  Speaker 1: zombie dog a la Frankenweenie solving mysteries.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so Pet Sematary just is not going to work
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I've never seen it, obviously.
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  Speaker 2: Because sometimes dead is better. The whole idea is that
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  Speaker 2: the dead that come back are wrong. They are not
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  Speaker 2: it's not actually the person or a thing that you buried.
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  Speaker 2: It's something that's wearing their skin. That's much darker. So
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  Speaker 2: that does not work. Okay. But, but fire starter, I
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  Speaker 2: could actually see that based upon the little bit that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard, like, again, that got spoiled or I spoiled
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  Speaker 2: for myself. It didn't get spoiled for me. I sought
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  Speaker 2: it out. I cannot pretend like I didn't read these things. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: but based upon what I read, it sounds like you
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  Speaker 2: could have a, Stephen King cinematic universe, a la Marvel
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  Speaker 2: or DC. But, but with, you know, yeah, you've got
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  Speaker 2: Carrie and you've got, I can't remember the character's name
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  Speaker 2: from Firestarter, but essentially a similar situation as a young
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  Speaker 2: girl who has, it's not Drew Barrymore. She's the actress
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  Speaker 2: who played the character. Drew Barrymore can't set stuff on
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  Speaker 2: fire with her brain. She has to use her hands
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  Speaker 2: like everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so they did try to do a Stephen
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  Speaker 1: King cinematic universe kind of with like Castle Rock. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I loved the first season.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and the Dark Tower series is kind of Stephen
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  Speaker 2: King's own version of that, which the longer the Dark
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  Speaker 2: Tower series went on, the more exasperated I got with it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it up. up till the,
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  Speaker 2: like all the way through the fourth book. And weirdly enough,
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  Speaker 2: the fourth book was the first one I read. But, uh,
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  Speaker 2: once I got to the fifth book, I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm out.
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  Speaker 1: I still want to, I still want to read it.
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  Speaker 1: I've started reading it. I've seen the movie. I hadn't
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  Speaker 1: read the books by that point. So, um, it's, it's
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  Speaker 1: my husband really loves the, again, the end gets weird, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: overall enjoyed the gunslinger series. Um, but, uh, I know
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  Speaker 1: our mutual friend, Jen, uh, was reading the book and
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  Speaker 1: she got to the point where life, life for life.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy peed on some corn and she goes,
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  Speaker 1: is this a peeing on corn book?
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  Speaker 2: And it's at the very beginning of the first book.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. My husband said yes. And she closed
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  Speaker 1: it and never picked it back up.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, this is not, that's because that's because Jen
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  Speaker 2: and your husband are both ridiculous and they should never
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  Speaker 2: talk to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. They're how I met.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's, that that's not, I'm just
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  Speaker 4: saying like, For Jen to ask that question and for
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  Speaker 4: your husband to answer it that way is both ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: And that's... It's hilarious. Yeah, hilarious. But it does mean
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  Speaker 2: that she's cutting herself off from books that she might
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  Speaker 2: otherwise enjoy. It's one scene in the beginning of a
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  Speaker 2: book to try and set the world building. And what's
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  Speaker 2: weird is that by Wizarding Glass, which is actually a flashback,
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  Speaker 2: that's the fourth book. That's the first one I read.
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  Speaker 2: the fact that it's a flashback actually meant that it was,
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  Speaker 2: while I was confused at the beginning, cause there's, there's
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: bookends on either side that are happening, uh, you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: within the narrative of the overall story, but 90% of
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that book is flashback. Um, when I read it, I
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh wow. What a cool rich world. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: then I went back and read the gunslinger, the first
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: book in the series. And none of that had been established. Like, um,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: it was clear that Stephen King was coming up with
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: ideas for his world as he, Instead of Tolkien, where
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: he creates everything before he starts writing, Stephen King was
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: making it up as he goes along. And ultimately, it
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: got to a point where he actually released a revised
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: version of The Gunslinger that helped bring it more in
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: line with the world he had established by the time
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: you get into Wizarding Glass.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: That's... That's interesting. Jen might enjoy that better. Part of
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: it is just, you know, at that point, you've set
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: up such a joke that it's funnier to stick with it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like her sensibilities, everybody people's entertainment sensibilities change
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: over the years.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: No, I was going to say, I think as the
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: son of a writer. I just like any joke that
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: involves walking away from books is like, Ooh, that hurts.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: There have definitely been books where I'm like, I'm sure
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: this is a great story, but it is not for me.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And I've put it down for sure.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: So you said, I've done that twice. Okay.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: So you said pet cemetery wouldn't work. So instead it
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: is Carrie and fire starter with their pet Langolier, which
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I've also never watched or read, but apparently it's a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: giant space meatball.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: It's like a critter if you've ever seen the movie
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Critters except their purpose is to eat reality after time
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: has passed I think you'd be better off pairing up
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the two protagonists from Carrie and Firestarter with the car
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: from Christine.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But not Cujo I refuse to touch.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: That one no that's too that's too sad.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: That's too sad. Yeah. Okay. So I also watched some
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: other stuff, but we've been goofing long enough that I'll
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: go through it pretty quickly. I'm continuing through Taskmaster. Surprisingly,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Chloe Pets is my favorite contestant right now. I didn't
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: think that would be the case, but they show up
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and they're fully invested in everything in the best possible,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: happiest way. And I love it. Finished Ted Lasso season four.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a little less mad at them, but I'm still
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: mad at them, but it's okay. I still liked it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I watched the Drunk History Ball of Twine episode, which
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: was very funny. It's on YouTube. I finished Widow's Bay.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I was watching it at night one evening because I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: had time by myself to watch the TV shows that
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I watch by myself. Usually I watch those during the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: day or early evening, but it was late at night
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and I was watching it. And it was the final
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: episode And they're in the bunker and the kids are
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: exploring the bunker. And my husband gets done with his deploy.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And so I turn it off and he's like, you
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: finished the episode. And I'm like, I can't, it's too scary.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm about to go to bed. And then it was terrifying.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: That's the night that the pocket door in my bathroom broke.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And so the door kept sliding open all night in
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the dark. And we already know that I have issues
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: with the dark. And then I finished the episode the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: next day. I'm like, it would have been a lot
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: less scary if I just finished the fricking episode. Instead
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of stopping at the, at the chair in the bunker.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I must be desensitized. I didn't find anything in Widow's
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Bay to be particularly scary. I did think that some
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: of the stuff was creepy and I really enjoyed, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: loved Widow's Bay. Don't get me wrong. I loved it.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I just didn't find it scary.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Creepy and scary to me are often interchangeable.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. I feel like if it's creepy and it's handled
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: atmospherically well enough, then I can see that. But I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: don't know. Like I, the, the creepy stuff to me
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: was just like a really good ghost story where, maybe
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: unsettling is as far as I would go, but, uh,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that you enjoy, would you say you liked
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it overall?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I did enjoy it. I look forward to season two.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I understand what you were saying back when you finished
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it and you're like, I expected where it went, but also, uh, there,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: there's a place to go from there. Um, But I mean, again,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: ghost stories to me are scary. Creepy and unsettling is
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: what I find scary. Oftentimes or disturbing. There was a
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff that maybe if not like just scary
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: was just disturbing. Scary to me. Like the the. Bonfire.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: That was. Yeah, that was one of the more. Unsettling
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: moments in the series. Yeah. Like.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, jump scares frighten me because
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of my sleep paralysis slash fear of the dark.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So what did you think of the episode with the
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: slasher type plot?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Surprisingly, one of the less scary episodes. Maybe that's because
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I finally finished all of the screams. But also Widow's Bay,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'll say, did a good job at like building up
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the creep, but never getting too explicitly gory. Right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah i also really love how they're like this is
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: this is a final girl scenario where the final girl
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: is not playing around yeah she's really not she's like
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: i am not having this.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I i really enjoyed it and i i really liked
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that they gave that character some credibility um.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah because like yeah she's very much a joke character
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: for the first few episodes that she's on right like
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the whole idea of her just being she's kind of
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: like a grievance chick. Like she's constantly finding things to
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: complain about and to be offended about on behalf of
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: someone else. And she's sort of exasperating. And then she
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: definitely gets like her, she proves herself later on in
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the series in a way that's very fun and satisfying.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think she did a great job. Plus she,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: she very much, and I'm sure this is on purpose
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: at times was very like Shelley Duvall from the shining,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: which I haven't only ever seen clips of, but like
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: just that kind of vibe of character.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was always sad that the terrible waitress never
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: gets her comeuppance. She's the worst.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: She is the worst. She is the worst. I'm the worst.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the second to last episode where they're trying to deal
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: with the issue and the person behind the issue. I
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: really like how they handled that. It was very moving.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I found, which I appreciated. The only other thing I watched,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: we talked about it a little bit on stuff that
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: didn't fit a few weeks ago is brothers, which is
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that comedy of.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's, it's pretty crass at times. There's a lot of,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know, token humor, because that is who Woody Harrelson
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: is in real life. And a lot of Texas humor.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised how much of that there was.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It was really interesting. But I think it's just because
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it is kind of based on, you know, Matthew McConaughey
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was raised in Texas and has that Texas, I like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: to hunt deer kind of attitude often. But he's also
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: a nice guy who cares about people. But it was funny.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: There were definitely really, really funny bits and really touching bits.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: It was very interesting. I will probably finish the season.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I might check that out. I wanted to check it out.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I just haven't done it yet.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: It's very situational. It's not like big, big laughs. It's not. Yeah,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: there's some over the top stuff, but it's not too
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: much over the top.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I find those those actors to be very charismatic.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Like I really liked Woody Harrelson in No Country for
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Old Men, for example. And that's not a it's not
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: playing a particularly likable character, but he was his performance
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: was great in that. And Matthew McConaughey, I've liked in
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: lots of different stuff. So I'll definitely have to check
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it out. But this is time for us to progress
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: our show beyond what we just watched. to talk about things,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: news items, and little snippets in a section we like
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to call 30 seconds or less. And Ariel gets to
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: go first.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so skip ahead 30 seconds to a minute because
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about lanterns. So far, it has not been
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: renewed for season two, though there is ideation happening for
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the next season. I think it was season Weintraub who left,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: who's leaving and isn't coming back. Oh, no, sorry. It's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Damon Lindelhoff, not Sue Weintraub. Damon Lindelof is not doing
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: season two, but he says that they're working on it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And they said that to this is a spoiler to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: kill off Hal Jordan and then say, oh, he's not
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: really dead would be the worst possible schmuck baby thing
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that they could do to a show, which makes me
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: really sad because I was kind of hoping that's where
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: they'd go with it, because I absolutely adore Kyle Chandler's
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: an actor. I think he's fantastic.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the Paramount merger with WB has gone through, which, yuck.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: We'll see how that shakes out. The one thing that
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: will not be changing, at least for now, is that
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: James Gunn and Peter Safran will continue to head up
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the DCU division. Considering the folks behind the merger, I
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if this changes within a year or so,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: but I hope I'm wrong.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: For sure. He brings stuff to Atlanta, and I love that.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Avengers Endgame. Last week, we talked about how it was
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: just behind Avatar for highest grossing movie of all time.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: And now it is slightly ahead of Avatar by, I think,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a few hundred thousand. I just really hope that this
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that now Avatar is going to re-release to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: try to be the label and then Avengers Endgame is
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: going to re-release to try to beat them. Like, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm glad people are enjoying it. It
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: was a good story. I don't know that I would
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: get the same thrill the second time through, but I'm
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: glad that other people are. Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Production on the batman 2 has paused while matt reeves
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: attends to a personal family matter the film had been
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: in production in london and is currently slated to release
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: on february 18th 2028 no word on if this pause
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is going to affect that release date but it is
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: very nice to see that reeves is given the support
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: and time he needs to attend to his family.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Definitely um In random Star Wars news, the lightsaber that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Darth Vader used in the scene, where he goes, Luke,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I am your father. He doesn't say Luke, but he says,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I am your father, is going on auction. They're expecting
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: it to fetch at least $ 1 million. The lightsaber that
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: had Luke's hand attached went for like 3 point something million,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: 3.75 million. Although the lightsabers from Ewan McGuiga and Hayden
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Christensen only went for $ 10, 000 apiece. So if you've got
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: a bazillion dollars to spend, give it to charity, but also,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe get yourself a cool lightsaber.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Deadline reports that Netflix is rumored to cut jobs to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a significant degree in the near future. Those layoffs may
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: start as early as the day we are recording this,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: which is Friday, October 9th. speculation has the move affecting
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: up to five percent of the employees at netflix which
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: would be in the neighborhood of around like 800 to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: 850 people if we're talking full-time workers this would be
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the first major layoff since 2022 it sucks to get
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: laid off it really sucks to get laid off just
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: before the holidays yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I hate this so much um it's important to know
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: uh critical role is taking over Final Fantasy VII Revelation,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: which I think is the last in the Final Fantasy
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: VII trilogy games. The first two are pretty fun. I
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: didn't play them, but I watched them being played. My
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: husband's a huge fan. So Matt Mercer had joined as
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Vincent Valentine, as the voice of Vincent Valentine, and Travis
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Willingham is taking over the role of Sephiroth. But now
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: we know that Marisha Ray will be coming in as Shiva,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: who is an ice goddess who you gain as a
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: summon later on in the game. So that is fun
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: and exciting.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Well, then we are now ready to segue from 30
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: seconds or less to a section that this week I
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: am calling stuff that wandered in off the street and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: we didn't kick it out right away because we're.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Nice to our neighbors. And the first is a trailer
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: for I killed the bear, which I wasn't sure I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: was even going to watch based on the title.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a comedy series from the same people
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: who did Letterkenny, Uh, it's really coming to Canada. There's
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: no release date for the United States yet. Canada will
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: get it starting on November 6th. And it's a six
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: part comedy series. Uh, it's got some, uh, notable Canadians
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: in it. Like Scott Thompson from kids in the hall
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: is in it as a movie producer. The general plot
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: is there, uh, is this movie in production in Canada
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and they need a bear Wrangler and they've got these
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: French Canadian, uh, brothers who are bear wranglers and truly,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: truly eccentric people to work with them on this production. And, uh,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: things get crude and weird. If you've seen letter Kenny,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: then you kind of know, like it's, it's a very
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: quirky sense of humor that is through and through this trailer. Uh,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I can't say that it won me over, uh, But
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: then Canadian humor often is one of those things where
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I like 80% of it and the other 20%. I'm
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: just like, man, I'm just not from the right place
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to get this joke.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: The weird thing is like all of the Canadian humor
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen has been really funny until it gets way
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: too blue for me. And I'm like, is our Canadians
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: just super blue? Cause like their lips are cold and just,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they have the propensity.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It was state. The state has a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: few scenes that get a little blue, but, to me,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: those were always funny. Like not the state, I'm sorry.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Kids in the hall. The state is American. Uh, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: kids in the hall, the kids in the hall overall
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: was a series that I really liked. There were occasional
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: sketches or, or films that they did that didn't land
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: for me overall. I really enjoyed them. Uh, but yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the letter kidding stuff I've never really, I've seen clips,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: but I've never sat down to watch. I've got friends
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: who are huge Letterkenny fans. I'm curious what their reaction
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to this trailer would be. Because while I found it
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: strange and moments of it to be funny, I don't
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: know that I wanted to watch it.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Same. For sure. It's also got the actress who played
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Lana Lang in Smallville, I think.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Kristen Crook.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yes. Am I correct there?
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in it. She plays, she plays another, like
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a liaison to the, the film production. Like it may
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: be an assistant director or something like that, or a PA. Um,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: but there's a great moment between her and Scott Thompson
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that where it's like, she asks a leading question, like, like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: is this a case of such and such and such
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and such? And Scott Thompson's like, hold on a minute,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: gets up, walks around his desk, sits down, looks her
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: in the eye and says, yes. And I was like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that made me laugh.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had a bunch of friends say we should
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: watch Letterkenny. I haven't yet, although apparently there's a hockey
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: series done by them as well.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, there is. It's it's so that's based
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: off characters that were established in Letterkenny. So it's kind
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: of a spinoff.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: OK, so I'd have to watch Letterkenny.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but I mean, I think it would like
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: it just means that you would have more background on
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: some of the characters. That's all.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope that they're altruistic towards the bear
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in the movie. I probably will skip it.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I have a feeling that no real bears
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: were harmed for that series, but just the joke alone
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: is one is enough for me to go like, yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We also something else I don't know about.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: We're getting a series on Netflix starting November 18th about
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the whole FTX series. Rise and Fall, if you don't remember,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that was a cryptocurrency exchange and a related investment company
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that had a meteoric rise and an even more meteoric
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: descent with Sam Bankman-Fried and Caroline Ellison kind of at
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the helm. We're getting a series about that. It's called
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: The Altruists. So we got a trailer for that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Hence me trying to segue with I hope they're being
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: altruistic to the fair.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Ah, gotcha. I didn't pick up on that because I'm slow.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's a tired week. It's a week for tired. Okay,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: so this trailer. As I got into it, it seemed
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: like it might be interesting. It feels like we're hitting
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: this docudrama. They've always been a thing, but it seems
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: like they're really big right now. Some of them are
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: documentaries like Musk or You Can See Everything, but it
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: feels like we're getting a lot of this... Feels very
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: business on the brink. Yeah.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Well, specifically in the world of big tech, right?
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Like tech companies like, you know, Musk is all about
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: tech companies and then Theranos the same. And then FTX,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the cryptocurrency swindle. Yeah, I had a particular reaction, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: I want to hear more from you before I weigh in.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Well, the problem is like the moment it started. And
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the person playing the female character whose name I've already
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: forgotten because I'm not actually that familiar with FTX personally.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Caroline.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Caroline. The person playing Caroline, who I do think is
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a good actress. She opened her mouth and it felt
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: like a character out of Big Bang Theory. And I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's how Caroline actually sounds. And it
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: made it really hard for me to take the rest
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of the trailer seriously because she sounded so unreal to me.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. No, no, I get that. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: feel similar. I also think maybe it's just the way
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the trailer is cut, but it seemed like she ends
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: up being the devil on Sam Bankman Freed's shoulder, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: she's the reason that he ends up making very bad decisions.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: To me, it almost feels like it's absolving him of
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: any accountability for the crap show that became FTX. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I think that is irresponsible because I think he's at
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: least as, uh, uh, you know, at fault for the massive,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: massive fraud and, and collapse of FTX like that destroyed banks. The,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: when FTX went down, like other businesses went down to,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: it became a domino effect, a ripple effect. And, um, Now, granted,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: some of those banks, I think, were pretty shady, too,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: but that's not the point. I just think like. It
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: almost feels like they're saddling her with the lion's share
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: of the blame from the trailer, maybe in the series,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that's not how it plays out, but it gave me
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: an icky feeling.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah. So it definitely felt that they were kind
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: of like she was kind of the mastermind behind it
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to me. in the trailer as well. However, again, not
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: being familiar with the FTX story, I didn't know that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: there was anything incorrect about that.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she ultimately was the one who gave, who
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: ended up giving a lot more testimony to the authorities
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: early on when Sam Bankman Freed was still trying to
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: kind of like wave off the chance of him being
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: responsible for the whole mess when he was, you know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: when he was kind of evading being sent to the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: United States to actually stand trial for his misdeeds. But yeah,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Reportedly, this is based off lots and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: lots and lots of research. So who knows? Maybe, my
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: own perceptions are just colored by my bias.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: But I covered this story while it was happening. When
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I was still host of tech stuff, I looked into
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: it a lot and it just feels to me like,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I worry that this is made by someone who doesn't
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: have the best intentions.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It'll be, I don't know if I'll watch it, but
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to hear reviews on it. something I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: will definitely be watching though is the Last One Laughing
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: UK Halloween special I love that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Series you're gonna have to tell me about it because
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I did not get a chance to watch this trailer
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: before we started recording so please tell me more about
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the special.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Sure are you familiar with Last One Laughing.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: I know the concept I have yet to watch any
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: of it I know it's supposed to be really funny
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: but I have not ever seen an episode.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It is funny, but it's one of those ones that
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you need to like warm up to because it is
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: comedians trying to make comedians laugh, which can sometimes go
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: into a very special genre of humor. Um, that as
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: we talked about last week with Maria Bamford, sometimes they
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: get a little esoteric or a little weird or the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: most random or dirty stuff will make them laugh because
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that's where they live all.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: The time or super dark. Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Um, so the, first two seasons all of last one
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: laughing uk is out on amazon you can watch it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: there there's two seasons of it with different actors exception
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: of the guy who won season one also is in
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: season two i don't want to necessarily ruin that for
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you but they're brilliant i love them so so much
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: uh they're so funny and they often don't go super
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: dirty and i really appreciate it because they won just
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: being their weird little self uh uh And I've watched
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: all the other English speaking ones as well now. So
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: they're doing a Halloween special. And usually what it is,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: is these comedians, a green light goes on. And at
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: that point, they can't smile or laugh. And they all
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: like interact in this house together, Big Brother style. And
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it's like an eight hour day. And each episode's an
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: hour of the day. And they just try to make
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: each other laugh. And sometimes they'll play their Joker card,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: which allows them to go up on stage and do
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a bit that they've prepared or something special. And everybody
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: has to sit and watch it. They can't avoid it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: And the first time you laugh or smile, you get
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a yellow card. And then the second time you laugh
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: or smile, you're out. And then you get to watch
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: everybody else from the host room and laugh at everybody.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: It's very funny. It's a lot of fun. It's, it's
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: delightful watching people scream, squirm, but in like a, in
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a pleasant, lighthearted way. So this Halloween special, it's four episodes,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: so shorter, but they also can't scream. So I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of trying to startle people.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, jump scares.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and people in costumes. And it's just, it's delightful.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: It's bizarre and delightful, and I love it, and I'm
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so excited for it. It comes out on October, the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: first episode comes out on October 24th. I had to
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: double check that it would be available in the U
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: S but it will be available internationally.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: So. Great. Next up, we've got the third film in
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: a series, which I did not know until I looked
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: into it is the last temptation of Becky. This is
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a continuation of a film that started with a Becky.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And then there was the wrath of Becky. And now
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: we get the last temptation of Becky. And the unifying
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: theme of the Becky movies is that the lead character,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Becky is kind of a, young woman anti-hero character who's
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: really good at killing Nazis and Nazis in the modern
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: era and in this one the Nazi she's going up
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: against is played by Neil Patrick.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Harris yeah I also did not know that this was a.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Series yeah the first one apparently the neo-nazi she goes
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: up against because she it's actually she and her father
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the guy who plays her father. It's
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: a notable actor. But Kevin James plays the neo-Nazi. And
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: when I heard that or when I read that, I thought, oh, yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I remember seeing stuff about this movie. I just never
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: watched it. And then The Wrath of Becky, I didn't
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: know even existed until I looked into this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks bonkers and campy and bloody. Other notable
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: names in it, Kate Siegel plays one of the agents
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and James Urbaniak is in it, who is from Venture Brothers. Yep.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't remember who he plays. I just briefly saw
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: him and I went, that's James Urbaniak, isn't it? And
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: then I completely didn't pay attention to who he was playing.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this comes to the theatrical release on November 4th.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'll see it. I get the feeling
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that this is something that approaches a movie I would
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: find entertaining while falling short for me. That's not to
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: say it's a bad movie. I'm just saying that for me, myself,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: that I don't think I would vibe with this. But
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: if I were to watch it, I'd watch it just
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: by the time it comes to streaming. I wouldn't go
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: to the theater to see this one.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I agree. It's like, I've seen other movies in a
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: similar vein that I have enjoyed, but this one doesn't
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: look like it's quite hitting the mark.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, next up we've got a romantic comedy called
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: love language.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. At first I, it, it stars Chloe Grace Moritz
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: and who was hit girl in the kick-ass series among
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: other things. She also played Carrie, didn't she? Yes, she did. Uh,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: in a previous version of Carrie. Um, it's about a
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: woman who is a writer and has writer's block and
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: starts writing other people's wedding vows. And then it gets
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: a little close to home. At first I thought this
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was going to just be a retelling of Cyrano de Bergerac.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, no, I could totally see where that would
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: come from. And like the idea is that she's usually,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: she's secretly writing the vows for one of the wedding,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: at least one member of the wedding party and, so
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that the other person feels like it's their genuine feelings,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: like their future spouse is actually the one who wrote them.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: And so she is constantly manufacturing these very sincere-sounding vows.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: And so there's some cynicism to this, because obviously she
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel this way. She's manufacturing it for the purposes
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: of selling it to people in the wedding industry. She
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: ends up having a fling with a guy who's the
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: guy who brings her into this gig of writing vows
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: for other people. And then through the process of her
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: writing vows for various women who are getting married, she
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: ends up being tapped to write vows for a friend
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: of hers who is getting married to someone that she
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: used to have a romantic relationship with like a decade earlier.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And how she's trying to reconcile how she feels about
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: him because he's kind of the one who got away.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And so you get a lot of romantic comedy hurdles
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: in there. Like, is she going to pursue the man
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: that got away who is now supposed to get married
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to somebody else? Does she end up forming a stronger
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: relationship with the guy she's having a fling with? Does
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: she end up having none of that? Who knows? If
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: it's a romantic comedy, she's going to end up with
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: one of them. But it may subvert us. It may
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: go like, let's go with a dramatic ending instead of
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: a comedic ending. We'll see.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it follows the general formula, the guy
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: who's engaged will try to seduce her, which you kind
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: of see in the trailer already. He's like... no, but
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I really did like you and like play in the field,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: like a, a scummy scummy person, which is sad because
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: he's played by Manny Jacinco, who is amazing. Um, and
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: then she'll end up with the guy named dash, uh,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: because that's, you know, the scrappy guy. Yeah. Um, by
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Anthony who's played by Anthony Ramos.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Get a little in the height section. Uh, Yeah, this
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: actually looks cute. It comes to video on demand and
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: digital on October 23rd. I'm not really... I don't tend
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: to watch a lot of romantic comedies, but this one
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: had enough charm in it where I thought, if this
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: were on and I came into the room, I'd sit
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: down and watch it. I don't think I would seek
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: it out, but it... it looks entertaining.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: It does. It looks, um, it looks a step above
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: like a Hallmark romance.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, yeah, definitely. I I'd say a big step
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: because it, it looks like it's quality. It looks like,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: I don't, I wouldn't put it up there with like
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: when Harry met Sally or anything like that, but it's,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: it looks well-made and it has some charming actors in it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And I think the premise is a good one for comedy, like,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you know, and some, and some drama between characters. So
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: we'll see how that one plays out. Like I said,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: it comes to video on demand on October 23rd. It's
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: not even getting a theatrical release. Then we have a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: series called A Course Called Ireland. in which Bill Murray
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: and Tom Coyne, who's an author, go together to visit Ireland,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: play golf and laugh a lot with local people. And
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: it looks utterly charming.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: It does. Now, isn't this also a book? Is it
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: a book about Bill Murray doing this or are they
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: just doing the same thing as the book is based on?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: It's doing the same thing that the book is based
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: on largely. So Tom Coyne, he wrote the book and
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: it was about his experiences playing golf all the way,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: you know, like across Ireland, playing all the different courses
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: across Ireland. And so this is kind of Bill Murray
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: joining that author to go to different spots in Ireland,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: to experience the culture there, to play golf, to have
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: lots of laughs along the way. A lot of Murray's
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: family is there. Like if you've seen things like groundhog day,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: or Scrooge, you'll be like, hey, there's those other guys
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: who look kind of like Bill Murray. I'm like, well,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: it's because they're all related, like Brian Murray and such.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: They show up in it. So does Chris O'Dowd, who
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: y'all might know from the IT crowd and stuff like that,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: or Bridesmaids, I think is what the other one he
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: was in.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Our friend Kate saw him in the West End the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: other week.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I saw him on a plane once. When I was
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: going to South by Southwest, I was on a plane
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: with Chris O'Dowd, and I was like, it's a good
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: thing I wasn't seated next to him because that would
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: have been a miserable flight for him. Uh, just cause
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I would have been geeking out too much, but this
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: comes to Paramount plus on October 24th here in the
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: U S the UK gets it on BBC two. And, um, yeah,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: it looks cute. Like it's, I would want to watch
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: it for Bill Murray's interactions with the locals who all
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: seem kind of amused that he's there.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's interesting because I've, I've heard some
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: rumors that he's not always the most pleasant person to
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: work with on a film set, but it seems like
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: stuff like this when he's just in the general public,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: he's a super chill, cool guy.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard very similar things. So I don't know
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: that I would ever want to work on a film
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: with him for one thing. It sounds to me like
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: he really likes to play fast and loose with scripts.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: And so if you are, if you're good with rolling
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: with that, then probably, things can be pretty smooth. But
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: if you're someone who's like, no, I'm prepared with the script.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Like that's, that's the basis for everything I want to do.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And you, you aren't really, you know, an improvisational actor,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: then that's where a lot of friction comes up. And
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's very, uh, egotistical to force improvisation on
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: another actor. I don't think that that's a very professional
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: way to do things. So I think I would, even
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: though I like improvisational acting, uh, I think seeing someone
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: with that kind of approach would, um, frustrate you. Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Rub me the wrong way.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I, as an actor, I'm always ready for improv. It's,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: it's kind of that, that whole like Meisner thing of
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: you're responding to the other person anyway. And if you
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: know where the story is supposed to go, it's a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: good thing to be prepared for. Even if you just
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: go up on a line, cause I'll be, it's not,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: quite as dire on film as it is on stage.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: If you forget where you are, it still is, you,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't call cut on yourself. You just
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: keep going. So, um, you know, that's, that's fine. But again,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: it seems like when he's just hanging out with everyday
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: normal people, that he's really cool, fun guy. And I
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: hope that is true. I've never met him. I would
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: not mind meeting him.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I, I wouldn't mind meeting, being in Ireland
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: while he first of all I love Ireland I wouldn't
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: mind being in Ireland while Bill Murray came through I
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: also wouldn't mind being in Ireland if Bill Murray wasn't
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: in the country that is true I.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Would just like to be in Ireland although I'm not
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: a huge fan of.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Golf yeah I don't I'm not a fan of golf
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: for multiple reasons some of them ecological but like as
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: a venue to get all these pieces to come together
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of interesting We also have one
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: last piece. I don't know if you got a chance
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: to watch this trailer because I added it pretty late
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: for Frank and Percy. Did you?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: No, I did not.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: OK, I'll talk about it. It's sweet. So this is
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: based off a play that played in the West End.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So this is an adaptation of that. It's a gay
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: love story about two older men finding one another. And
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: one of those older men's played by Ian McKellen. and
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: the other is played by Roger Allum. And Roger Allum's
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: character is, he's a widower whose wife passed away several
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: years earlier, and he's kind of been lost at sea.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: And he meets Ian McKellen's character, and Ian McKellen's character
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: is gay. And of course, you know, Roger Allum's character
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: thought he was heterosexual, but the friendship becomes deeper and
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: more meaningful and ultimately becomes romantic. So it's about a
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: man discovering that he's more complicated than he imagined. It
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: has Stephen Fry and Joanna Lumley and Derek Jacoby and
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of other folks in this as well. It
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: looks so sincere and sweet and silly. There's some funny
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: parts of it. There's one part where a younger character
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: is telling Ian McKellen, like, you dress like a much
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: younger person. He says, no, much younger people are dressing
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: like me now. And I'm like, oh, I love you,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Ian McKellen. I love you so much. This comes out
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: in early 2027 in the UK. No idea when or
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: if it will get a US release date. But yeah,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I saw this trailer not knowing what to expect. I
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: hadn't heard of the play, or if I did, I'd
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: forgotten it. And I found it utterly charming.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm, I'm glad to hear that. That sounds really cute. Uh, I,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I like, I hope, I hope the adaptation from stage
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to screen goes well.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. From the trailer, I would say it looks like
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: it's in good hands. Uh, you'll definitely, you'll have to
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: watch it after the show's over so you can check
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: it out, see what, what you, what you missed. But
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I did add that last second. Uh, we're moving on
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: to John Boy's horror hutch. This is the part where
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: I would normally tease Ariel about spiders, uh, But y'all,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I'm tired. So instead, I'm just going to talk about these.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: First of all, originally I had in here The Exorcist Martyrs,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: which is the Mike Flanagan entry into The Exorcist. Obviously,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: that's a franchise that has had a pretty rocky go
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: of it, especially recently. The last Exorcist film, which I
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: think was Believe, was largely panned by critics and, uh,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: did not get a lot of love. This one's got
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: like Scarlett Johansson in it, um, and a bunch of
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: other folks in it. And I was going to include
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: the trailer, but the teaser I saw that said the
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: trailer comes out today might've been wrong. It might actually
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: come out tomorrow. So I don't have anything to talk
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: about with that. Uh, But there are two other trailers
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: on here, one of which I know Ariel has seen.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Have you watched both of these trailers?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I did. When you put interesting ghost story on the
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: first one, it made me go, OK, that's telling me
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: I should watch it. And yeah, I did.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's I don't think it's particularly scary. It's
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: more it's more like dark fantasy, I think.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it in looking it up after watching the trailer,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: it calls itself family friendly.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: So.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The basic idea of Jinx is that there's a
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: family that moves into a creepy house. There's a daughter
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: in this family who is nonverbal. She doesn't speak. She
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: has a brother who disappears. And so she's trying to
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: figure out where her brother has gone. And in the
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: attic of this house, there's like a dollhouse that's very
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: strange looking. And when she is in the attic looking
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: at the dollhouse, weird things start to happen. And it's
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: hard to explain like without just going scene by scene
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: of what happens in the trailer. But one character, a
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: so-called psychic is called in, ends up proclaiming that the
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: attic is itself alive again. And yeah, this definitely gave
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: me kind of like goosebumps or are you afraid of
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the dark sort of vibes to it with maybe a little,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: maybe a slightly harder edge, but in a, again, a
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: dark fantasy way, not a horror way.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely going to be a
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: few scary moments in there. They allude to some death,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: but yeah, dark fantasy. It looks, it looks pretty fun.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. This comes out October 15th. I might check this out.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: This could, I could see this being something that could
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: sit maybe a little bit darker side of something like labyrinth.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Like labyrinth, I think is, not that dark. It's got
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: some dark elements to it. This looks like it's darker
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: than that without going overboard. Um, and then we got
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: a crazy, well, you said shit earlier, a crazy ass trailer.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Sorry. I mean, we can bleep both of those out
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: if you'd like.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Then when you say we, you mean me. And based on,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: based on how I'm feeling, I don't know that I'll
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: get around to it since I'm the one who edits it. Uh, no, you,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: you sent me a trailer for a movie called Christmas
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: at the Kringles, which kind of sat unwatched by me
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: for a few hours until I finally was like, well,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: I should see what this is. And I was like,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Holy crap. This is, this is so strange. And I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: can't believe I sat on it.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: It's so strange. Now, mind you, this movie is not
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: for me. It's got a lot of people I love
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: in it, but it is definitely way too sadistic for me,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: but I thought you would appreciate it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I did appreciate it. First of all, the trailer is
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: cut in such a way to make it like a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Grindhouse style trailer. Have you ever seen a Grindhouse era
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: trailer where there's a narrator and the narrator will frequently
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: say the title of the film and you'll even get
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: a title drop, like a title shot. The words will
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: pop up on screen. That was something that would happen
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: with grindhouse films in the 70s they do that in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: this even though it otherwise looks like a super slick
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: modern movie it doesn't look like a grindhouse film yes
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: at times it does but it looks well it looks
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: more like a horror comedy from the modern day it
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't look like like it doesn't look like it was
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: made in the 70s right like it doesn't look like
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: that um so basic premise is This couple moves into
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: a new neighborhood where they find that one family of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: neighbors are truly obsessed with Christmas. They're obsessed with Christmas
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: all year round, but at Christmas time, they're off the chain.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: And they are the Kringles. And they are warned against
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: fraternizing with the Kringles because bad things can happen if
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: you hang out with the Kringles. but they're kind of
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: curious about what's going on and they, they're a little like,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: you know, um, rolling their eyes at the warnings and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: stuff thinking like, this is, this is so silly. Uh,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: the Kringles, their, their Potter Familias is played by Thomas
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Lennon of the state. Um, he has one of his
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: state cohorts in this too, because David Wayne plays a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: character and I had to look up his name, plays
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: a character named Noel Tannenbaum. Um, A very Christmassy name
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: for someone who I believe is Jewish. And then you've
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: got Ron Livingston playing the new neighbor. Beverly D'Angelo is
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: in this film as one of the Kregels. And things
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: get really kind of cult-like at first and then slasher-like.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of shots of blood splattering against walls
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: and such. And it looks... off the chain crazy and
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I love it comes out October 30th I will see
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: this in the theater I love a lot of the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: people that are in this movie it looks gonzo strange
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I hope it's as entertaining as the trailer makes it
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: look it could be one of those things where when
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I walk out of the theater I'm like well shucks
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: all the best parts were in the trailer.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah I mean you only named a few of the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: people in the cast but the cast is insane it's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: got so many amazing comedians in it I think I
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: think I was on board until we got to the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: nutcracker scene. Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: And then it looks like it has a bear trap
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: for a mouth. Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: And seeing that that's something that actually happens. And then
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you see the aftermath of it. I was like, this,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: this shows me that there's stuff in this movie that I,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I just would find upsetting to watch. And so I,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: but I really look forward to hearing your review of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: it because again, yeah, the cast is superb. I love the,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: all the people that I know that are involved in it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So one other thing that I forgot to put in
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: here and I don't have a release date for it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: or anything was I saw a trailer for the adaptation
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: of crossed, which is a Garth Ennis comic book. Garth
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Ennis is also the guy who created the boys. And
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: if you watch the boys and thought, I want this
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to be darker, more cynical, more, no redeeming value whatsoever
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: and way more gory than crossed is for you. It's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: not for me.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Didn't he also do preacher?
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: He might've also done preacher. Yeah. I know he did
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: the boys and like, that's the one I always that
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I can rattle off. Uh, you know, some people claim
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: on Reddit that, that crossed was a series he created, uh,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: with the, the, the goal of creating something with no
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: redeemable value whatsoever. Like if you ever watched walking dead
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: and you're like, man, I wish the series had less
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: humanity in it. Then that's kind of what crossed is.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, it's not for me. I'm not,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I don't want it. I definitely don't want it now.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Garth Ennis lives in this world where I just,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: it's too dark for me.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Same. I need like, as much as I love horror,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: I need it to be a little less dark than that.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: but let us move on to our show notes with
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: first up, just a quick mention of something that was
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: on our list. And then I had to remove it.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: The thing that was on our list was a trailer
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: for a film called worm. There are a couple of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: different movies called worm that are coming out this year,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: I think, but this one is a film from Ryan Staples, Scott.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: That's a world war one creature horror picture. So yeah,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: a bunch of allied soldiers or a group of allied
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: soldiers are kind of caught in no man's land. And
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: this massive monstrosity has been awakened and starts to wreak
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: havoc across the war zone. And I thought it was
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: a weird premise. So I tagged it. But this morning
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: when I was going back through our notes, I found
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: out that the, the trailer got removed from YouTube. Like
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: the user apparently said, removed it and I didn't see
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: a trailer anywhere else. So I don't know what prompted that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: But even when I looked into it further, all I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: could find was that there's no release date for this yet.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: So if you do see a trailer for worm, just
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: know that I had it in our notes at one point,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: but then it disappeared.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just double checked a couple articles where it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: says the trailer was embedded and it's not there either.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll go to the stuff we do have
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: trailers for. And first is a model citizen.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sci-fi crime thriller. Aaron Eckhart plays a, this I
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: found out by reading more about it. Cause I don't
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: think it's evident in the trailer, but he's an ex
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: cop who has amnesia. He doesn't remember anything about his
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: past life and he does suffer from terrible, terrible nightmares.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: And he, has sought out quiet life on a farm
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: as a kind of therapy to recover from PTSD that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: he can't remember, but it's clearly still affecting him. And
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: then gradually as the trailer plays out, he realizes that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: he's under constant surveillance. There are a bunch of hidden
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: cameras that are all pointed at him and that things
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: that he thought were reliable facts about himself turn out
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: not to be. And Also, he seems to resemble a
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: wanted killer. So I wrote this is kind of like
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Jason Bourne meets the Truman Show.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. That's exactly the feel I got as well.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: You know, using his amnesia to try to make him
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: the quote unquote model citizen.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. And then eventually, whatever the programming is on him,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: maybe there's some sort of experiment to try and make
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: him a model citizen. I guess I could add Clockwork
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Orange to this as well, because that's a big element
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: in Clockwork Orange, right? This treatment that's supposed to make
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: it impossible for you to commit crime. But at some point,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: his programming snaps and he's able to kick butt because
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: he's getting... abused in all sorts of ways.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Leading up to that yeah not quite minority report though.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: No this comes out november 3rd on digital platforms so
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it's getting a theatrical release for
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: for like a sci-fi thriller premise i think it's it's
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: not a bad idea it's just that there are a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: lot of other things we can compare it to.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: The next thing we got was a trailer for holiday hitman.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Which could have gone in the other section, but I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: put it in here because it's holiday themed.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: It's holiday themed. It's about this guy who's trying to
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: reconnect with his family through a really nice vacation, but
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: keeps getting to have to do with people who are
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: trying to put a hit on him. The hit man.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: He's a hit man. He's a professional killer, but his
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: family doesn't know that. They just know that he's frequently
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: gone during important times like, like holidays and such. So
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: in order to maintain his, his family, you know, unity,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: he has decided he's actually going to take Christmas off.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: He's not going to work on Christmas. And he tells
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: his boss this and his boss just can't accept that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: because that's realistic. And so this boss sends assassins out
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: to kill the hit man because the hit man's not
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: hitting when the hit, when the boss wants the hit
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: man to hit. And so the hit man then has
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: to deal with all these assassins coming after him. This
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: is an action comedy. This is not done as like a,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: straight up action film there's a lot of comedy in
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: this trailer uh so i say this is elf beats die.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Hard it is it is uh and what do you
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: mean it's not realistic you've never had your boss send
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a hitman after you when you've taken vacation.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: No but i did have my um my company sent
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: me uh sodium heavy foods from cats's deli right after
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: i got out of the hospital for high blood pressure
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: So it's almost the same thing. Oh no. Like I
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: literally couldn't eat anything in the, in the care package.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, they were thinking of me in
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: a way.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They, they didn't think fully through that. It looks
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: like in this trailer, at some point the hits hit
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: man's family gets in on the action.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It does look like the wife might be a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: little more capable than you're initially led on to believe
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: because it's, at least from the trailer, it looked to
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: me like he, he was keeping his status as a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: hit man secret from his family, which is why they
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: don't know why he's been gone for all these important events.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: But then his wife seems to be incredibly capable with
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: a handgun. So I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: It looks cute. It doesn't look exceptional, but it looks cute. Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: It comes out on video on demand on November 3rd.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: So another one that's not getting a theatrical release, like it's,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: this is another one where I feel like the trailer
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: might be all I need to see. Yeah.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: It's, it doesn't feel, we've done a lot of holiday action.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Especially over the last few years. Like it, it
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: like became in vogue, right. With violent night. And what
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: was the one with the rock and Chris Evans? Red one.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: The red one. Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And a couple of others, but still, I would say like,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the trailer is enough for me is better than the
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: next two things on our list where I got real
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: mad and I feel like the trailer is too much. Yeah.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: So the next two trailers are AI generated films.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: Um, and well, the second one's technically a series, but yes,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: the most important part is their AI generated.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Um, and I didn't even want to watch them to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: give them the views, but I did because I knew
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: we needed to talk about them. This first one is
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: gods don't give gifts. It is a movie done with
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: fable AI studios. And I don't, I didn't write his
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: name down, but he's a YouTuber, um, something gremlin. Um,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: and it's just, I, I, I want, it just made me,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: the entire trailer made me feel uneasy.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's, it's a story about transhumanism. Actually. I think
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: it's four stories. I think it's like an anthology.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: It feels very like, uh, sex death robots or whatever it.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Is yeah love death and robots love death and robots
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: um the yeah this is it's weaving together these stories
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: about transhumanism about the attempt to meld humanity with technology
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: primarily for the purposes of immortality it's pretty cynical stuff
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: too dystopian stuff um I am not a fan of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: AI generated stuff anyway. Like you could have told the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: story by hiring actual human artists to bring it to life.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: I find maybe the whole idea of using AI to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: do it is kind of like supposed to be thematic
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: with the, the message of the film itself, but I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: don't want to reward that kind of thing. I don't
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: like that at all. I don't think it's a, a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: promising road to go down. Most of the AI stuff
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: I've seen, like especially the stuff where it's been clearly,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: you know, not just created visually by AI, but voiced
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: by AI and sometimes even written by AI. It just
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: feels like it's all surface level. Like you don't get
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: anything below the surface. Like if you spend even a
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: second thinking about what you're seeing, you're like, there's nothing here.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: It's just flash and nothing else. And yeah, I don't
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: have any positive things to say about this. But I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: feel like that's still better than how I feel about
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Houdini back from the dead, which is the series that
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: also uses AI to bring back Harry Houdini to talk
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: to us through the screen as he carries us through
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: the journey of his life and death.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: What even seriously, what even is the point? Because this
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: is not Harry Houdini's viewpoint. It is other people putting
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: what they think he would think like probably just a, a,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: you know, mass algorithmic information machine going, here's what I
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: think Harry Houdini would say. And then animating his old
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: tricks from photographs. It, it's so upsetting. I'm not like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: a huge Houdini fan. I don't know how he was
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: as a person, but like, this is unnecessary to me.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel the same way. It's, you know, it's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: all for the hundredth anniversary of Houdini's death and Again,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like it would be better just, not that
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I think dramatic reenactments where you get actors to play
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: the parts is that much better, but I definitely think
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: it's better than relying solely on AI. I hated both
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: of these. This, by the way, is coming from Fox Nation,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: which if you're curious where that is, that's the entertainment
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: spinoff from Fox News, which is weird because Fox News
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: itself defended itself in court claiming that what they produced
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't news, but entertainment. So this is even further from news,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I just don't see a point, I
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: just don't see a point. I'd rather just go back
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: and watch the prestige or something.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Or, or, you know, other magicians who have taken what
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Houdini built and built upon that to do even cooler,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: more bizarre things. Like that's what I'd rather do.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah no i i agree.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Unless unless like they found his old like journals and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: diary and then had actors reenact it that might be
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: cool but.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah uh yeah i agree with all of these things
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: like i just i don't know it feels disrespectful to
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: me and and exploitative both of those things and those
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: those really turn my stomach like You could argue, yeah,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: the guy's been dead for a century. Who are you exploiting?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I understand that, but the company is exploiting the fame
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: of Houdini in order to get views, right? They're mining
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: this guy's fame in order to have content that they
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: can sell to advertisers. And in the meantime, they're also
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: sidestepping that tricky thing of having to hire human people
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: to do the acting for it. And I just, I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: I also just don't like AI actors' performances. I don't
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And what's the point? No one alive, or at least
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: the majority of people alive today, never saw Harry Houdini
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: in person. There might be a few people left who
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: may have seen Harry Houdini in person. But that means, yeah,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: you could look at pictures of him or whatever, but
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: you could have just as easily hired an actual human
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: being actor to play the part of Houdini and it
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: would have been fine. Like you wouldn't have even had
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: to get a guy who looks exactly or even remotely
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: like Houdini because he's so far removed. Like everyone knows
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: the name, but the person himself is so far removed
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: from like the, the, the, the cultural idea of who
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Houdini is that the appearance doesn't even matter. So it's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: just a gimmick. And it's, again, it really upsets me.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: And Harry Houdini died on October 31st, 1926.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: So if anybody did see him, they'd be over a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: hundred years old. Well, maybe somebody alive saw him on
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: his deathbed and it was exactly 100, but unlikely. The
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: next thing we have is a movie called The Awakening.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: This is, I think, is it a Spanish movie? Colombian movie?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Colombian.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Colombian. Okay. Yeah. about a bunch of military folk who
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: go in to fight the enemy in the jungle and
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: find a cave and unawaken like supernatural, like a supernatural
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: force that attacks them. The interesting thing about the movie
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: is that it goes back in time to a bunch of,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I think, conquistadors who also do similar.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So let me give a little context around this
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: movie because there's some sad stuff meta about this film.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: so the guy who wrote it and co-directed this movie
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: we would say Jamie I'm wondering if it'd be Jaime
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: for Spanish speakers but Osorio Marquez was the guy who
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: wrote and co-directed this and I say co-directed because he
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: passed away in 2021 and He actually passed away through
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: assisted suicide. He had advanced kidney cancer and was becoming
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: resistant to pain medications. And so he didn't want his
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: family to see him suffer. And in Colombia, euthanasia is legal.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: So he had an assisted suicide in order to pass
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: more peacefully and without all this pain and suffering. This
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: film was not finished yet when his illness reached that point.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: So other partners of his helped finish the film and
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: now it's getting its release. So there's that. This is
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: kind of a passing director's final work. And I think
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. I think the Conquistador thing, I think that's
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: something that the soldiers find out that in the past
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Conquistadors encountered the same cave that is apparently cursed and
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: befell a similar fate and so I wrote that if
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: I were to describe this film I'd say it's a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Spanish language movie that combines elements of stuff like Predator
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: and The Descent I feel like those two movies kind
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: of like combined sort of give you a sense of
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: what this film is.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: Doing yeah that's pretty much exactly it at first I
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: was like is this a like a predator people. But
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: it's not. But that is a very sad story. And,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: but it's a story after we talk about Houdini of someone,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: people helping someone pass on their work and not just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: someone taking somebody's work.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: No, I think this is like stark contrast to the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Houdini story. Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I think it looks interesting.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: I think it looks interesting too. Like, and it's another
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: example of, There was a time not that long ago
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: where I just never would encounter foreign language genre films.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: And it's not that there weren't any. There were. It's
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: just that they hardly ever broke through to a point
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: where I would be aware of them. And seeing this,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, while this movie is reminding me of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: other things and it looks like it's really well made,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: kind of take on the similar themes um i never
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: would have known about it like 10 years ago uh
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: so i think it's cool to learn about it now
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: and to learn about this filmmaker who i was not
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: really familiar with so um i you know just the
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: fact that this crossed my path when i was looking
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: for trailers for this week i'm thankful for it so
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: yeah i don't have any release information on this one
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: yet uh Again, with it being foreign films, it can
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: be a while before we get domestic distribution.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Similarly, we have a Spanish movie, Apocalypse.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Is it a movie? I think it's a film. Yeah,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: this is a this is it's a film that's based
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: off a series of books. It's the second movie in
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: a series based off those books.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: It's called Apocalypse Z New World. It is not from
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: the World War Z series.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: No, but it could be.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: It could be, yeah. And it's that a rabies-like virus,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: so essentially 28-day-later zombies, has taken over the world, and
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: the Canary Islands are the last safe place, and a
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: team from the islands has to go to mainland Europe
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to get supplies. So it feels very like World War
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Z meets 28 Days Later.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first film in this series was called
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Apocalypse Z, The Beginning of the End, which I had
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: not heard of. But that sort of establishes, that's the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: story of the early days of the outbreak and how
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: that affects the main characters of that story who are
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: not responsible for it, but are affected by it, obviously.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: This is taking place sometime after that. And like I said,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: they're based off books by a guy named, uh, Manel, uh,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Lou Ryro. I think I could be totally butchering his name. Uh,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: and it comes out on prime video on October 30th.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: So having not seen the first one, obviously I'd want
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: to watch that before I would watch this, but I'm
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: probably not going to watch it if I'm being totally honest.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Not because this looks bad. It doesn't look bad. It's
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: just I've seen so many zombie stories and this does
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: not look different enough from the other zombie stories I've
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: seen to really catch my attention.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather watch The Awakening, which is not necessarily zombies,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: but other scary things in the dark.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: The last the last trailer we have, this is actually
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: a few days older. is for a TV series called
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Small Profits that has already come out in the UK
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: and just two days ago came out on Apple TV.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had seen clips of this in the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: past and looked up what it was from because I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: was like, huh, this looks really quirky and funny, but
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: in a way that's humorous funny, not like ha-ha funny necessarily.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Because it follows a curmudgeonly man who is sort of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: determined to do good things, despite the fact that he
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: works for a company that has a very bureaucratic approach.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: It's like Walmart, essentially, but it's got a very bureaucratic
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: approach to how it does business. But he has a
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: very human approach to how he interacts with people, and
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: that comes into conflict with where he works. He's also
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: got a very eccentric father, played by Michael Palin. who
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I love, one of the Monty Python members. And it's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: a comedy drama because you find out this guy had
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: a girlfriend who disappeared several years earlier, and he's still
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: not over that disappearance. The fact that she walked out
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: and never came back, and he doesn't know what happened
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: to her. He's never gotten over it. And then his father...
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: says well what you need to do is consult homunculi
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: through alchemy and then you can find answers to your
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: questions and so this otherwise very grounded story involves this
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: guy kind of looking into whether or not he can
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: create a homunculus through alchemy and find out what happened
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: to his girlfriend.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: It kind of looks like he does he he has
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: uh a young woman as a sidekick uh who they
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: at one point in the trailer, it shows them looking
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: at a bottle and it has some smoke and then
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: this very light creature appears. So it just looks darling.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: It looks like fun. I love Michael Palin so much.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that the main character that the
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: main character is an older character. So he's looking into
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: the disappearance of his partner and he's consulting his dad.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Michael Palin is in his 80s. The main the main
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: actor is in his 60s. So I like that it's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: not this young adventure. It's this, yeah, this middle age
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: to older person adventure.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: It's coming of middle age story. Yeah.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think it looks really cute and I'm
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: excited that it's available on Apple TV now because it's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: something I definitely want to watch.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and the clips I've seen in the past, like again,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: like I didn't know that this was coming to Apple TV.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It was just one of those things where it was
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: being often recommended through the YouTube shorts stuff. And I
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: was curious and I watched some of them and I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: always found them to be very charming and and funny,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: you know, in a kind of understated, very English way.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: So if you're someone who likes that kind of dry
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: English humor and the premise itself is is is definitely
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: high concept, you should check it out because it looks
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: it looks really sweet. And all the reviews I saw
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: say that it's sweet, funny, and sad. And I'm like,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: sometimes that's exactly what I need.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't always, I've been steering away from sad,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: but if it's also sweet and funny, I can do it.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Ted Lasso season four. So I think this might go
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: pretty high on my watch list. Honestly.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: No, this I'm definitely going to check this out too.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: I'll probably wait till Becca's back home because I have
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: a feeling she would vibe with this as well. Hmm.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: But that is all we have for today. It was
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: kind of a light trailer week, you know, for around
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: the spooky season. A lot of scary trailers come out
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: like the months before to promote everything.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank goodness we could talk on and on about
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: Stephen King adaptations.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Listen, listen, brainstorming.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that is kind of what this show
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: all started off as. We just kind of got away
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: from it. Yeah. It's nice.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: To go back to our roots occasionally. I like the brainstorming.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I like coming up with goofy ideas for mashups and
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: things like that. Always happy to talk about them, even
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: if it takes us off course.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: If you feel the same way or if you're like, no,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: please just talk about trailers or only talk about mashups,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: we probably won't fully do any of those suggestions, but
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: we're happy to hear them. Jonathan, how can people reach out?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: All right, so you're going to need to get inside
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: a sentient car and take with you a telekinetic and
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: a pyrokinetic person. You're going to go on a road
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: trip to Castle Rock, which is going to be rough
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: because one, it doesn't exist, and two, it done blowed
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: up already. But once you get there, you're going to
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: ask around until you find a place called Salem's Lot,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: different part of Maine. You're going to have to drive there,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: also gone now, but you're going to get to where
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: it used to be, the fictional one, I mean. And
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: then you're going to tell you all about vampires. You're like,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: I don't need no vampire. I'm looking for Jonathan Strickland,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: co-host of Large Nerdron Collider, so I can ask him
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: an important question. Like, well, shucks, man, you're in the
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: wrong book. You got to go see Captain Trips. Well,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: that's going to send you all the way out to California.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: And then by the time you get there, you find
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: out Captain Trips isn't a character. It's the name of
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: the disease and the stand, you know, the one that
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: wipes out most of the humanity and then ends up
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: becoming the the precipitating action to lead against a war
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: of good versus evil. You're going to run into a
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: hitchhiker named Randall Flagg. Do not pick that guy up.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: He is bad news. You're going to turn around to California.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to head back to Maine because
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: that's obviously where most of Stephen King's stuff happens. When
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: you get there, you're going to ask around until you
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: find yourself an old curiosity shop. Don't go in there either.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: These places are bad. But outside of that, you're going
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: to find a person who's telling really stupid jokes and
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: you discover that it's actually Harry Anderson. You're like, wow,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: I thought you were dead. He says, no, I'm just
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: here from my miniseries from the 90s of it. And
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: let me tell you some jokes. They're going to be
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: horrible jokes. You're going to have to interrupt him by
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: the third one or you're just going to lose your
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: whole day. And he's going to say, go around back.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Jonathan's out there. You're going to find me just sort
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: of crouched in the corner crying to myself because I've
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: been steeped in too much Stephen King lore for too
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: long without reading anything from the last 30 years. And
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: then you can ask me whatever you want. I'll be
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: too psychically damaged to resist. And I'll answer your question.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, and if, uh, you cut out at the fourth
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: book of that description, you can reach out to us
• 1:31:09
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• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: large nerds on collider. That's also our discord channel. Um,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: as well as the name of our website, www.largenerdrunkcollider.com. It
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: was woefully out to date, but I will try to
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  Speaker 1: put stuff in this time because I feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: some trailers that would be hard to find just by
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  Speaker 1: a Google search. I'm going to try to stay on
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  Speaker 1: top of it now that we're getting past some of
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  Speaker 1: the crazy weeks that we've been in. Or you can
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  Speaker 1: email us. We always love getting emails from you. Our
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  Speaker 1: email is largenerdronpod at gmail.com. Thank you for being a
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  Speaker 1: part of our geeky family. You know, tell other people
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  Speaker 1: who also like to geek out because the more people
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  Speaker 1: to geek out, the crazier things get. Until next time,
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  Speaker 1: I am Ariel. All right. All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Caston.
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  Speaker 2: And I am. I am Jonathan. Sometimes dead is better. Strickland.
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  Speaker 1: I did that because Matthew McConaughey also played Ramble Flag.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. He did do that.
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  Speaker 1: People try to forget it.
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  Speaker 2: The Large Nerdron Collider was created by Ariel Caston and
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  Speaker 2: produced by Edited, published, deleted, undeleted, published again, cursed at,
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  Speaker 2: by Jonathan Strickland. Music by Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.com