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'The Real Housewives of Orange County' Season 20 Premiere Breakdown with Brice Sander (+ 'Summer House' Season 11 and Spinoff News) · Gabbing with Gib

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Gabbin with Gib.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Gibson Johns and today on the show we're breaking down the season 20 premiere of the Real Housewives of Orange County with Bryce Sandor from Entertainment Tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce has somebody that I've known and worked with for over a decade now which is crazy to say and he's one of the truly pre-eminent housewives interviewers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He interviews most provostars on most seasons of their shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always covering the biggest events and he's always getting massive scoops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I particularly associate him with the O.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: franchise where, you know, living in New York, I might have a little bit more proximity to Rooney or New Jersey or summer house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce is always with the O.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Beverly Hills ladies doing something on the west coast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he felt like the right person to chat with about this very big deal premiere with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, 20 seasons is a big deal and he also adjusts interviewed all of the OC women on the record, but at the premiere party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he brought some fresh informed insights, the conversation that I found to be a big treat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But before we get to that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, bravo had a lot to celebrate after the Emmy nominations, which were announced earlier this week, top chef, which usually gets nominated, Kristen Cash was nominated for hosting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The traitors got a bunch of nominations, including for Allen as host, are on a Maddox was nominated for her work on the violin USA, which I think is so exciting and really kind of like signals truly where she's gotten to and her career since being on band of her roles for so long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the big news,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the headline out of all of this was that summer house got its first ever emin nomination for season 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it was especially deserving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, given the season they had given the moment the show had given how well I think the network and production handled such a crazy moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there were so many logistics that they dealt with and they produced it well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They picked up cameras multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The editing was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They delivered and it's the first ever three
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[SPEAKER_00]: everything, the aftermath episode, they fired and all cylinders and they didn't so well and everybody from the cast of the crew to the network.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think all deserve that recognition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the moment in reality TV for this year and so being recognized as the Emmys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just further solidifies that Bravo is in the forefront of this genre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Vanderbilt rules was nominated after their scandal of all season, so there's no reason why summer house shouldn't have been nominated for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I just feel it deserved and it just feels good as a longtime fan of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I always say I don't believe these are guilty pleasures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that they're frivolous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that hating reality TV does not make you deep as my merch says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really believe that with my heart with my whole heart, like I wouldn't be pursuing this professionally if I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: really fun news early this week and sort of to celebrate it, Lindsey Kyle and Carl, the three big OGs of summer house, they didn't interview with the Hollywood Reporter and it was mostly just kind of a fluff piece like talking about excited they were, but news, but at the end they did ask about season 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're starting filming this weekend and Kyle said there's still some unknowns with season 11.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't picked up cameras despite being in the Hampton's last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said it in a post and I kind of said it accidentally and I said it off and I said off a bit of an avalanche.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said it with the end of an era.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for people to use that term, I think they probably would have preferred I say chapter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, it feels like the end of 10 chapters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I call it an era, but I think what's exciting is that season 11 has the potential to have a completely different look and feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a lot of shows that reach a pinnacle, sometimes it's little bit unclear where they go from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The beauty of summer house is you can throw whatever cast is on season 11 into a house in the Hamptons, and you kind of just let it do its thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think summer house is going to have, like I said, the potential for a whole new chapter and a whole new look and feel and can avoid getting stuck on certain storylines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, that signals likely know me, uh, we're not going to be talking that much about the West and Amanda of it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they'll be talking a little bit about that, the impossible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I hope it doesn't define it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's on a cloud over the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were we were they're supposed to move forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, yeah, so that was a really telling answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it signals that they know what they have to do for this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, the, one of the execs also did the interview with Deadline to commemorate the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when they all drive out tomorrow or today when you listen to this Friday filming starting, so I'm sure do one, another place they're going to be blowing up with spottings and I'm ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other news about Summer House is that it's getting another spin-off over at Hey You, which is the International Streamer, as you all probably know, it's technically owned by NBC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that means that it will eventually air on peacock or bravo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, real house was a London, as you all know, was a, was a, was a hayup production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was only on hayup for almost a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then bravo, all of a sudden, it put it on peacock and it's going to air it on bravo later this month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I realized it haven't even said what for the location is the summer house spin off is summer house Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the Ozarks spin off that had been long rumored and reported on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is summer house Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: going to take place in the forested landscapes and lakeside cottages of Muscoca, Ontario, where wealthy Tarantonians get away to escape the stress of the big city life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Hollywood Reporter said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, hey, you announced that it already started production.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and the caption was, see you at the cottage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is obviously a heated rivalry reference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where Shane and Iliago at the end of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For season of heated rivalry and his parents nice cottage, it's cottage country, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and clearly there have been plans to franchise summer house there was a big article in the rap last earlier this year about that
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was probably supposed to be a tease for the Ozarks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Spinoff, that West Wilson was supposed to be sort of like the conduit, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of would still watch an Ozarks spin off without a West involvement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, I'd be intrigued to see that culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not represented on Bravo, but I'm very excited for Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited to see a new summer house spin off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's intriguing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I hope that it's also that same format that we know on the New York version of the show, which is like, we'll see them driving out from Toronto every weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think Martha's Vineyard, which is the first summer house been off that gets brought up a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just as from Martha's Vineyard and that cast was pretty solid and all the things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that Martha's Vineyard deserved more, but the issue with Martha's Vineyard is that it wasn't a place that
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[SPEAKER_00]: people in that age, commute to and from every single weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the filming schedule where Martha's Vineyard was a two week period and that was all condensed and that was all the footage they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas on Summer House, the original, they filmed for 9 or 10 weeks and they filmed every weekend obviously, but then they also still get a week during the week footage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that gives them a lot more of a runway to get actually good drama.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to not have it be so condensed and high pressure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what winterhouse was, too, that was also something like Martha's Vineyard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I guess winterhouse was the first spin off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that Canada takes the New York approach for his democracy's Vineyard approach, because that was a big reason why the show didn't fully work production-wise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they all talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I hope that it ends up on Bravo or Peacock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think that the real house was a blend in situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That votes well for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm excited by this news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard not to be excited by it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's summer house fever in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, bring it on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that is the summer house news bulletin for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want a gab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, today we're gabbing with Bryce Sander from Entertainment Tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce is a longtime friend and he's been a minutes has been in the podcast, but he's a return guest, and he is here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, break down the season 20 premiere of The Real Housewives of Orange County.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's been set a lot, but it's pretty crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce, thanks for being here on such a moment, to this occasion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's so happy to be here and also I feel so old because I watched Ostea live on television 20 years ago when it from here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I was about to ask you that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you were watching season one live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember why because it was, that was, you know, queer eye time had kind of like the problem on the map in a new way and then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: there was a blowout, which was the hair salon show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the ground way, Roger's runway, and then housewives started being promoted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were, it was like, it's kind of like desperate housewives, but not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I got to check this out and here we are 20 years later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember back then like who you gravitated towards in those first season or two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Joe was my entry point because she was letting her closeish in age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember because she was like the fish out of water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vicki was always so wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Had you asked me season one, I don't think I could have predicted that Vicki would have been the person who would have stood the test of time on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think pretty crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of similar to when you think of like early New Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of positioned like Carolina Manzo as the center of that show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it really evolved into no Theresa as the center of this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, see, it was kind of like Gina's the center of this world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then over time, it was like no Vicki's the center of this world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think it is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it like a related ability?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just like a willingness to put all out there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just sort of how the cookie crumbled?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think with Vicki as she has no filter and doesn't want to like compartmentalize her life, Gina got into kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: trouble some territory when her divorce started percolating and like the husband was living in the house that they didn't want to talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just kind of hurt him screaming from another room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I think Vicki just kind of proved her worth also as the show was taking shape.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those first two seasons of low C are a different television.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very much so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I took Miss Judge to come on and yes, as I've I think I've said on this podcast and every podcast I've ever been invited on Tamad Judge is the architect of Modern Housewives and give that lady her flowers whether you like her or not She created the roadmap and the user guide of how to be a housewife very much so very much so for you What sets O.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: apart from other franchise like what's what's the DNA of O.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that that makes it the show
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you, you always go back to the original text, right, and I, so I interviewed the ladies last week at their premiere party and Emily put it this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, we're like, the wife that's always there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go out, have your affair, fool around, but you're always going back home to your wife.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that is kind of what OCS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was, it's also why we are the most like battered in beaten of the shells, like the harshest judge, because there's so much time to have had opinions on this cast versus something like, you know, so like, sit down, it's going around six years of Rhode Island that's been one, those are still like fresh, new, and viby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels, it feels steady, and that's what made, like, I think season 19.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not work as well because I think they try to do other franchises do and it tried to be something that wasn't kind of last year in a way to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think there was this like I don't know if it was an intentional or subconscious kind of experiment going on with
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[SPEAKER_01]: into the actual drama of the show like with the whole geeky meek and all of that stuff where it's I don't I think we like a break of the fourth wall but not tearing the whole house down kind of thing yeah like O.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's just like not
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't be the fourth wall breaking franchise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's like, Salt Lake City does that, and maybe it's too much, but it does it better than anybody else does, because it's sort of like the host modern housewives, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Salt Lake City also came in and had the earliest scandal in any housewives franchise trajectory with season two, Jen Chovet all versus like, you know, O.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was low stakes drama until the Brooks-faked cancer thing, which was kind of the midpoint in the run of this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, that's why I feel like in the run up to season 20 though, I have felt kind of really almost relieved because it feels like the messaging and sort of all signs point to them sort of going back to basics or at least pulling back from what they tried last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you get that impression?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems the kind of notion that whole premier party like the messaging that came across through every interview I also talked to Francis Berwick, the who oversees Bravo and peacock on strip dude and then they did a whole panel where they discussed it was like getting back to the core of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of lowered lowering the stakes, having fun, digging into petty drama, not life-roaning drama.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they did kind of, it's like you go back to the original recipe of like, hey, what worked for this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can we kind of take some of those ingredients out that we've added in over time and get back to that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think we're going to get cameos from
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[SPEAKER_01]: women from across O.C.'
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[SPEAKER_01]: 's history popping in and out throughout the season, which a lot of the current cast viewed that as like a pat on the back like, oh, we're doing a good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're willing to come back and kind of like give us their support.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm excited to see, you know, like old friends, old friends with new face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's
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[SPEAKER_01]: and in visiting us and I got the premiere episode was it was like I thought they were going to lean more into the 20th anniversary of it all and I was kind of pleasantly surprised you're like oh no this is just like a standard we're starting a new season of housewives especially because it starts out with this package that's like 2006 versus 2026 and you know I'm glad this started with something like that and I think that what the what I took away from that sort of back and forth was like
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot has changed, but also nothing has really changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think it was what season 15 or 16 they had Gina Kio do that like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's from Desperate Housewives voiceover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they could have saved that for the 20th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So true, yeah, that would have been a nice touch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like, again, it just all this is hammering home like this is still housewives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was housewives one year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, as you said, the first season was was different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a reassuring reminder that like Bravo still like is conscious of like maybe what viewers want and like they want they want it to be that comforting presence, especially with O.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have to play the game of listening to the fans, but also tuning out some of the louder noise online.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it felt watching O.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: feels like coming home like you're just like, oh, I'm comfy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like there's glam aspect, it's not too glam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's funny and ridiculous, but also like there are heartwarming moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really feels like a lot of the updates that we got were like really family centric throughout this episode, which I thought was really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of like solo or two housewives scenes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of like big group stuff right away or big drama right away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they did have to like reintroduce Vicki, which felt strange because it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's, she's let me go with her boyfriend and her brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because she can't leave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I didn't really understand why she can't leave but something's out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she is claiming like permanent residency in Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess she had whatever the immigration is going that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She had run out her chance like her times to leave and come back, leave and come back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she had to stay until her permanent residency card was
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was like granted or at least approved, but she made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She made it in time for the finale party, yes, but not before she had, we had to have she and and go down and visit her so that we could get some of my film and go link.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would they have planned to film with Vicki and Mexico had it not bench, but not so big to be like the gathering cameras down here, I'm not leaving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're such a like chaotic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: overtone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, she has the knee injury and that she has like the sister we've on her side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she has to like bandage in the car and they're they're going into commercial breaks with like her like squawking in the back seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and she still has not fixed the knee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she said she at the premiere was going in for surgery soon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was trying to do a bunch of nonsense surgical things, but she was hobbling up and down that carpet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, working as Vicki always does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is she getting her new replaced?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's a replacement or one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's she also seemed to not know fully the details of what was happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's trying to avoid that reality for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first sort of group moment is Gina Tamara and Heather meeting up to do some sort of painting class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It made me laugh with Tamara told Mickey later on the episode about them going painting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, you can't paint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm also them being like, to probably definitely sell us on take talk and decided, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She does love a take talk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of where they dig into like the aftermath of the reunion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, Tamara has the perspective that nobody was there for her last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be a controversial thing about like how boring to it is that for her to argue that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do think objectively watching that finale, she was left on an island at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Object whether you agree with she should have been or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think is the question, what's strange to me is there's no unpacking of all the accusations thrown at her at the end of that reunion, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all about you went to take five, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's very aware of how it all works and she's she I think she's she sees the she sees things five steps ahead sometimes but also like I get why they're not retraining that you know because if you really want to move on and that was not received well but like it is being also kind of sanded down.
19:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's being sent it down and it's one of those things that was like, okay fine, we're never going to get answers here, but it did that all felt to me like something that was invented and manipulated to try to have a bomb shell moment that kind of goes back to the point of the beginning of we got a strip it back to like.
19:23
[SPEAKER_01]: the reality show at the end of the day, let's live in reality as much as we can within the confines of what reality means these very much so we also obviously find out that Gina is engaged and we have a little of course they have to ask Heather if it's a natural or lab grown diamond which I was wondering why before I went to the screener Heather was posting a lot talking on our podcast a lot about like do you care if something's lab grown or if it's
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her.
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her.
19:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She's she is a smart cookie.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she does love her TikToks.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great way to do be planting those seeds.
19:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So okay, this next part I was like this feels like a unique thing where we talk about drama between Shannon and Tamara that happened during girls trip filming and girls
20:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They're talking out the particulars of it, but also kind of talking around it and we have like stock footage to tell this story and from the wild women altercation.
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't they be running?
20:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was like, oh, they're bread crumbling, what happens?
20:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They're bread crimbing, but like, has it ever happened where like, cause usually how this work is that like, they're alluding to like, you know, on summer house, they're alluding to what happened on winter house the past season, or they're alluding on southern charm to what happened on summer house last season.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: this they're they're alluding to drama that hasn't been shown to audiences yet and so they're describing it but I can't remember the last time that a bravo show has like talked about drama from a show that has not aired yet.
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I did the only example I can think of is that one season of jersey where they like filmed the reunion while they were filming the next season and right.
21:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacqueline didn't show up so they kind of had to address that but I think that's why Andy's repeatedly says like we've learned our lesson not to like double film or film on top of
21:12
[SPEAKER_01]: situation where it's like there's not normally somebody crossing over our multiple people crossing over to another show that's been filmed that has an air yet.
21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But so interesting that ultimate girls trip films before this season of OC, but we're getting this season of OC before that season of girls trip.
21:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's honestly when that was happening, I was like this feels really unique.
21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I guess what happened is that.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Tamra called Shannon a mess who can't get a man and doesn't own a house and Had there says this got a lot of the other housewives chatting mother franchises They were all like really kind of scandalized by Whatever argument they have at the quiet woman it definitely made me intrigued for I think this is the beginning of the ultimate girl strip season It's it really is for the for the purposes of O.C.
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like okay Shannon and Tamra are still very very much at odds I'm not even speaking
22:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I spoke to Shannon about this at the premiere and this was it was interesting because they did the carpet that they went in for a panel on the carpet she's like I like we're in a place where you can be in the same room that's all I want at the panel then to drop this bomb they spent two hours on the phone last night like the night before with each other.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I do think there's forward movement happening there and they don't know how to talk about it without spoiling where this season of OC goes.
22:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Gina did then cut Shannon and Tamar office they were discussing the two-hour phone call at the panel and went, we spent a whole season trying to get the two of you back together and we're learning this now, so maybe this season doesn't lead to the trace of the judging thing.
22:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And Shannon says at some point in this episode, like she doesn't really want to be friends with Tamara.
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, again, she just wants to be at a place of like not arguing, I think it's what she says.
22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But as you said, like, it sounds like it's unclear whether that happens in the season or not.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you get the impression that they are even going to have arguments like that, or are they like completely ignoring each other?
23:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think there's there's definitely tension and things we'll see between Shannon and Ted look from what I know.
23:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think they filmed one on one this season to try and like level set.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I do think I think Tamara's way more willing to get back in the ring.
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
23:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have the Emily and Jen dinner that we later learned Carmella came to.
23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: which is also interesting that it's like we watched this whole scene that we're going to flash back later.
23:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it was a third turn.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole pass over there.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we find out that Jen Sun was pulled over for going 105 miles an hour.
23:51
[SPEAKER_00]: This, this, this little tidbit I found to be kind of unexpected, I guess, which was like Emily says she has not spoken to Tamress in his bravo column.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think his several months at this point in film.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he's done in February or something.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And they,
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: something.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, February.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's interesting.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And on the reunion, I mean, she brought up out on the reunion, Tamara shaded Emily's podcast that was at one time on Tamara and Teddy's podcast network.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I had not really remembered that comment.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't really stick out to me.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that like this kernel that we're following, it's kind of interesting.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like it's reflective of Emily, kind of increasingly feeling in boldened in sort of her status in this group.
24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, I think, you know, she and Gina are on their eighth season each and they're behind like the core four of Vicky Tamar Shannon and Heather, they're the longest serving OC housewives.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think they feel a certain place in the kind of like pantheon of pop culture they found themselves in.
24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: The season seems to be a lot about redemption for Tamar and Emily finding her voice and whether that can work out or not.
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked Emily, because she said something about, I need Tamer to take accountability.
25:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And I asked her, what do you need her to take accountability for?
25:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And she couldn't answer it.
25:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was interesting.
25:11
[SPEAKER_01]: If she threw this thing out there, then I asked for, what do you need her to do?
25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like an action item.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't have it.
25:16
[SPEAKER_01]: She just talked about this is a lot of history in the podcast network.
25:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
25:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, so maybe she's latching on to the podcast thing as like her only personal grievance with because to me, Tamar is one of those people where if you're looking for somebody to go after or pick a fight with she's the easiest person do that with in terms of fighting she's going to give you the fight but also like
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: some of the audience and such will be behind you for doing so because it's just like she's an inevitably a divisive person.
25:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is really interesting that she couldn't completely explain that away.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: This is also the scene where we got you know a big hint about where Jen is going to go first, which is to really unpack Heather and Tamara's.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: friendship because we learn and I always love a post reunion reveal, you know, when the cameras go down to the reunion, what what happened, you know, so the hospitality this past season was all about that.
26:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Jen reveals that, you know, everyone up dinner except for Tamara, Heather apparently led the charge in anti Tamara chat at this dinner, but then she also called Tamara the next day.
26:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Is you read all that, and Heather was trying to get
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: playing both sides.
26:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Heather's really good at the game, right?
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where she finds herself in trouble this season is.
26:42
[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to talk to you about the thing you want to talk about.
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I could get your in trouble because it's like, well, were you talking behind my back when you had that conversation when I wasn't there?
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also think about going into that reunion, people were very disappointed in how Heather handled the Gretchen of it all.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted her to hold her feet to the fire more.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And they all just kind of like the whole cast outside of Timmer, kind of like Gretchen.
27:07
[SPEAKER_01]: fill in the narrative and set up this whole thing that Tamra somehow spent the last decade building an entire internet ridiculous that was going that was slowly scraping over the correction so that when she came back on the show she could take her down and so yeah I think
27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Gina told me that like the scrappier edgier rougher around the edges to bro show it up to film this year.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Heather compared it to the less or not compared it but so she learned a lot of lessons season 17 when she got into like the IMDB fight with I was sure everyone was piling on and she was like crying on that cast trip she's like I show up in a very different way when I'm confronted with this stuff this season.
27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she fights back which is not good.
27:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that where we've seen since
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, season nine when she told Shannon to leave or even when she joined the show with the she's she ate the bow off my cake.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested to see how Heather navigates this.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't only get any major confrontation in that premiere about this.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of the foundation is set for this to be drama.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Heather said that the historical friendship made it out alive.
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So wherever she and Tamara, whatever they get into, they're okay.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there's the other thing that comes up here is that Gentels, Gentels, Tamra, that Heather said that she puts her friendship with Tamra in a box.
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how she can kind of like,
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: not excuse the behavior, but that's how she can move forward at that friendship, the historical friendship.
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Historical friendship is gonna be like a term of the season, clearly.
28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's totally, but I really love, even though this kind of has nothing to do with Jen, I do like her fearlessness with this, and I think that it shows good instincts as a housewife that I feel like he's always had.
28:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, four years in, she's like, oh, I finally have the whole playbook.
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I know how to do this, and she said the overwhelming thing
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: this group of gels, like this cast works.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Gina said for the first time in her eight-year story Michelle, they are all on a group chat together and everybody participates.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And that means a lot to me knowing where we've come from, where we've been.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hopeful that that sisterhood thing kind of shines through.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Me too, but I also do think that the Heather and Tamara
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The Heather and Tamer thing, we talked a little bit about last season on this show.
29:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But Shannon and Jen's argument is we just want Heather to be honest about her feelings about Tamera.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that Heather, as you said, knows how to play the game.
29:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Heather is incredibly well-media-trained.
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: She has an actress, I don't think she acts on this show, but I think that she has some of those instincts.
29:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that in the past, when she's asked about Tamera,
29:59
[SPEAKER_00]: she is really adept at giving an answer that's kind of a non-answer or sort of circumventing.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like this season she's going to be forced to handle that in a different way, which I'm excited to see to be honest, because it's an interesting tidbit.
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting compelling thing for me.
30:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it'll be like a throughline thread of the season of this string being pulled.
30:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Heather always calls Tamara her housewife make or like a vampire who bit her and turned her into housewife.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's why she, that's cute.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's run that compartmentalized box of like, I'm always going to have
30:37
[SPEAKER_01]: to have this woman in my life because she is the person who, you know, how there was obviously like cast and found, didn't really know anybody when she joined, but Tamar was who they decided to pair up with and film that first scene, looking at property, and then Tamar took her out to an off-camera lunch after, and that's kind of, I think, where Tamar explained how it all works to her.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting because like there's kind of a parallel between how Heather talks about her friendship with Tamra being a historical friendship and she kind of just she doesn't say that she gives her a pass, but she she uses the terminology puts her in a box I guess, but
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Tamra says something similar about Vicki at some point during the party.
31:20
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I guess Heather brings stuff about Vicki and what she said about Tamra in the past.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tamra's kind of like, I've never read a Vicki for 20 years.
31:28
[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of gets a pass.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that's kind of a parallel thing and how they view these long-standing friendships.
31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: totally.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's a complicated world.
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it is.
31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're also your co-workers.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, how do you navigate that dynamic?
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's such a hallmark of housewives for the newer people to, like, really not fully grasp that.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, where they, it's kind of like how we all blindly went in the early days.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, these are, these is a real friend of all people who know each other.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it was some more true than than it is now, but it's right through it, through the lens.
32:05
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of accepting cameras all of branch in a way like or I guess Vicki reached out to make a truth or Tam I forget exactly who reached out but that they have gone to a place where they it's all water and the bridge seemingly once you're taken on all that.
32:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Vicki's the happiest when she's on Orange County Housewives.
32:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she cares a lot about this thing.
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Vicki has a lot of feelings when she's not on Orange County Housewives.
32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I think that is also at play here of Tamera having to be like contextualizing things Vicki says in the offseason.
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, well, she's pissed because she's not on the show.
32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: She's annoyed that she's not a housewife.
32:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And now that she has her orange back, it's like, oh, it's the Victoria
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: That we all love is here and Vicki said she came into this season wanting to have fun Like not wanting to live in any of the past the past comes up.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: There's I think there's going to be a confrontation about You know Vicki making that off-handed remark about tamarters and fame over motherhood Which Vicki then tried to explain to me is like well that came out because I was trying to talk about why I you know Tamarsel mean to Shannon and I was like okay, this is complicated at least in your head.
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gotten convoluted
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, well, dig into some of that, but I do think, you know, if Vicky's got an orange on hand, she's a better Vicky than without the orange.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
33:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a really good way of putting it into you.
33:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you get the impression that?
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Vicky is going to be caught between Shannon and Tamara.
33:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to be fighting over Vicky?
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is she going to be trying to bring them together?
33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's going to try and be the peacemaker.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Though I think she is a real peacemaker of the group this season.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The one who tried to get everybody, you know, if she like immediately apologized to Tamara one Tamara asked for the apology.
33:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right, right.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's kind of like, Gina's like, let's just have fun.
33:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We did get this kind of mad lib Z quote from Vicki when she was talking about the Tamer situation.
33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, you know, I had sexist that went to my brain.
33:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And that made me think differently about my feud with Tamera because of the comments that I made about her daughter, which happened when she was getting her chemical peel.
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And we see that it's like, it's it's really just pick a fucking thing and put in the sentence.
34:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just thinking of Vicki, why do you always have to bring it back to death?
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And she went, I'm so life insurance.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Not no.
34:19
[SPEAKER_01]: There enough.
34:20
[SPEAKER_00]: There enough.
34:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
34:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I also did love.
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, there were a lot of these sort of passing moments where we're checking on people's families and what's going on.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love this Shannon's walking, Troy and Archie, and she's trying to get them to take a picture in a part of a sign that says outside the open-time group.
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was outside the off and home group.
34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, yeah, there's a sign that says, my long-time is my valentine.
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why do we have to have the dogs in front of this sign?
34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, it's unreal sometimes.
34:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost like, oh, cause art is no longer with that.
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
34:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really better sweet.
34:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And...
34:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ejina and Travis, they're thriving at the gated group, but he's obviously wearing his gated group, merch, which good for him.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It reminded me of how Joe Allen on Rhode Island, her husband was always wearing this, like, shirt they clearly made for the show.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious, like, you're, you what a mortgage lending or something like that.
35:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, you're self of billboard.
35:17
[SPEAKER_00]: exactly.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree and I guess one of her little one of her storylines is season will be she's gonna change her name.
35:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If she gets married which is very sudden brown coded sort of on the reverse.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, very much.
35:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love on her mom.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you could hike with me.
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, crocheting height or mullet and what?
35:34
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going by that?
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this was the like shop of the premier carpet for me.
35:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked Vicki, who's the housewife that's come after her any city that makes her most proud.
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're carrying on the legacy.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, Gina, what was her reasoning?
35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: because Gina has lived through so much in her eight years on this show.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We watched her, in a young age, the marriage fell apart, going through a divorce, you know, finding love again.
36:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, the thing that made Vicky most excited is she found a career she's passionate about.
36:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is something to be excited about.
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You're so many of these women don't have other careers, they need them necessarily.
36:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's putting your all your eggs in one basket.
36:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are sounding, do you work for one year?
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
36:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And as we know,
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing else is is a dangerous game as a reality star and so I think it's it genuinely made me happy to see Gina and Travis talk about how well they're doing and they're they live in a nice house like it's it's they should be proud of themselves honestly a hundred percent yeah I think I've said it on here before
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: If the show is your life, you don't have a life to show.
36:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you gotta have other things that kind of inform your world.
36:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when we check it on you every year, there's more going on than just like, let's make a TV show.
36:52
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent.
36:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I also like, I really like Gina's mom.
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish we got to see more of her because she is like the, she's a New York energy, you know?
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's another New York mom.
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, out there in New York, mom.
37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Heather's mom.
37:05
[SPEAKER_00]: She was across the country.
37:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got to check in with Carol.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And her quote was, I guess Heather, Heather asked, how are you liking LA?
37:14
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, God created Los Angeles, but he lives in New York.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good quote.
37:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty good quote.
37:21
[SPEAKER_01]: What I asked Heather, I was like, oh, does your mom, is she like close to you?
37:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you move her into the same building?
37:27
[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, no, she lives near my sister.
37:32
[SPEAKER_01]: close but not too close.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, I think, I mean, I think they're all on the west side of my way, but it's like, this is just closer in case of emergency.
37:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got, we heard a lot about sort of Heather's perspective that Carol kind of continued to live her own life and wasn't really there in the way that Heather might have envisioned as she was raising her kids and Carol's grandkids, which I think is like,
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I always find sort of the generational cross-generation discussions on housewives to be really interesting and it really tells you a lot about how housewives themselves approach parenting or approach life and I think that's kind of the case here.
38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and the kind of missing context for Heather when I spoke to her was her parents owned four homes up and down the east coast or like had multiple places they could go on the east coast.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: to have something out west or come out west more.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was kind of the underlying issue there.
38:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, you could have and you chose not to.
38:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like it wasn't an option.
38:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I mean, now that you've framed that way, it's valid.
38:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's two people flying out to LA or OC is a lot easier than,
38:53
[SPEAKER_01]: two parents and four children flying to the Hamptons as Carol wished, and totally, totally.
39:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm expecting to unpack that more as this season goes on.
39:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I do think we get a lot of Carol and I guess Carol was constantly asking Heather if she could have Andy Cohen's number to talk to him.
39:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interesting.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I have her to not give it to her.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I expect her to overchairs for Heather's first watch happens.
39:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I was she'll take any chance to go back to New York.
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there we go.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: For God's lives.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it does, it's interesting because it sort of does tie up into this maybe mini beef that Heather has with Vicki, which is that like Vicki says that Heather and Terry inherited their money.
39:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's kind of like sticking to the story of like doctors don't live in 40 million dollar houses and Heather brings it up directly with Vicki at her Valentine's Day party.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, how could we have inherited it, but both of our mothers are alive, is that we were we're self-made.
39:57
[SPEAKER_00]: If they seem to have moved it over pretty quickly, I don't expect this.
40:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Vicki just kind of let it roll.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, okay, she wasn't in the mood to have conflict.
40:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we're so I'm so used to Vicki being so like
40:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's strong in her convictions when confronted and like fighting back.
40:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, Oh, it is a little bit of a new Vicki, but I also thought like, Heather, what's who cares.
40:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right now.
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like what's there to be defensive over?
40:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, and I don't even think that Vicki was like necessarily minimizing like Terry's accomplishments or Heather had their own time.
40:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was just like, they got a very lucky life.
40:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they got all this money, who knows where it came from.
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, yes, I think Terry's been very successful.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think Heather's like, I can career was more...
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: profitable especially because she was working in the time or TV really paid a lot of my totally and people maybe give it do but you think there is like there's pieces of puzzle there that are missing there's this level of wealth didn't come just from.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: that maybe it's a smart and yeah, maybe they're a smart investing along the way, you know, and heaven's not really filling in the blanks, but they could easily say that if that's the case too.
41:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And also like you say that, you know, your parents had four homes on the east coast, like it's hard to imagine they weren't giving you some sort of
41:11
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, stipend.
41:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or did you when you got married, did you get it like a little nest egg or something?
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, was, was there help at some point that put you on this path?
41:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and there's zero shame in that, you know, it's like as we all go through life, we find out that certain people's parents are paying for certain things and, and others are not, and like you just have to kind of accept that, but it's sort of like the, it's the denial of it.
41:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that like is what I'll do if you bother problem with.
41:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a very relatable thing, even though, you know, there are 30 years older.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That whole thing of, well, we grew up comfortable.
41:44
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that?
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's totally, totally.
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also thought it was interesting, you know, we have this talk about how there's kids and her parents.
41:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have Nicky sort of as the master of ceremonies so to speak at her first party and how there's been dropping like not so a subtle hints about next gen L.A. And how filming for that is going great.
42:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know exactly what was on that show, but Nicky is definitely one of those one of the people on it.
42:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very hard to like the,
42:14
[SPEAKER_00]: planting the seeds, sort of, to him up.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I was like, oh, this is definitely whether by design of Heather or the producers like Nikki being here is not setting us up.
42:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know who's on that show.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I think Alexia Omansky posted like a tearful video finding out she didn't get it.
42:33
[SPEAKER_01]: did she, oh my, I need to go and look at that.
42:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she didn't say, I didn't get next gem, she was like, I'm not getting this really big opportunity I thought I was going to have.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really sad about it.
42:42
[SPEAKER_01]: It was around the time I would have loved to see her on that show.
42:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but I also wonder if she feels like a little older for that group memory didn't stop.
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we felt a certain way about the baggage of buying Beverly Hills, you know, a lot of it.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Fia,
43:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't pop as much on camera.
43:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I will say and season two of that.
43:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but hers like her on TikTok does pop.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true, but yeah, I don't know.
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
43:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of happy.
43:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly who's on that show to be honest.
43:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and well, and it sounds like maybe they were
43:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of like doing as intention filming or like testing filming and it's not actually fully and motion yet Got it.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe she maybe also how there's talking about it publicly to like draw them up support for it.
43:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's like what Miley Cyrus said about the like Hannah Montana animals.
43:31
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I just say it for that.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did for that.
43:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's getting married first?
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Jenner Gina.
43:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jen, because Travis, to my knowledge, is still legally married to his ex-wife, because it's like a very, I could comps you in a jail.
43:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it'll do to still preceding some of my situation.
43:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I asked them both about this out the premiere, and Gina said, I want to live in the engagement, like, happy place for as long as possible.
43:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a good stage to be in.
44:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel married already.
44:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need it to be.
44:04
[SPEAKER_01]: A legal thing and Jen said she's finally given up like her dream of all her kids being there that Ryan keeps booking Vacations to Mexico and it's like is this the one is this the one is this the one so I think Jen and Ryan will marry before Gina and Travis even if just because of like legalities and Sure sure, but I actually I believe that about Gina too because I feel like she
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: they haven't been in a rush like they've had to have a lot of patience over the years with a lot of different things.
44:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do think it's curious why Ryan and Jen are waiting so like they're having a long engagement.
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's fully on Jen.
44:41
[SPEAKER_01]: She wanted like her dream was the kids need to be there.
44:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The kids need to be there and now with her one son who's in the Marines I believe, her other son who just graduated USC took some jobs.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: She said that he's traveling
44:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think it was she just needed to know where we'll land, but it will be she said it will sell me a beach wedding.
45:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, it'd be a bikini wedding.
45:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Just I hope to be.
45:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, well, it'd be a white bikini and she was like, just make it as trashiest possible.
45:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
45:10
[SPEAKER_00]: But they went the kitty shopping for her wedding.
45:12
[SPEAKER_00]: After the beginning of last season, I was like,
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I fucking loved it and I hope that that's on camera.
45:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that whatever she decides to do is on the show.
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the last thing to really mention is that we get introduced to the new housewife Carmella.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: She is Jen's friend.
45:27
[SPEAKER_00]: They shared a hairdresser so I seem to like a loose friend.
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like the early days of Jersey where they're like all went to that whatever that salon was.
45:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a former playmate.
45:38
[SPEAKER_00]: She lived in the house across the street from the mansion, never in the actual mansion.
45:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really get that much more about her, but we do get the hint that she's knocking and bow down to Vicki or sort of respect to any of the sort of seniority that I think sometimes this group wants to be up to that.
45:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's not bowing to Queen Victoria as she's been come to be called the everybody Vicki aside everybody gave me the reviews at that premiere of like she came in She's like who she is today is exactly who we met there have been no surprise It has been open honest and like tentals down in the experience So I think that's good because that hasn't been the case of a lot of OCA additions over the years
46:25
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, and Carmella said she's found friendship with everybody.
46:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked her because you know, they filmed in Tokyo and all those Tokyo pictures came out and she's not in them.
46:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, where are you in Tokyo?
46:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, I don't know if I can answer this.
46:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm interested to see what that leads.
46:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, where the, I had not clocked that she was not in those photos.
46:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then go, them going on that trip is,
46:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a choice after, definitely.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year.
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sending a message and I'm not sure that's going to land well with a lot of people.
46:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I already has it.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Carmella piece I did not clock and that's, we'll be watching this face.
47:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but she was, she also tried to be a WWE diva.
47:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, I didn't see that.
47:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I see that.
47:09
[SPEAKER_01]: The ring prepared her for Vicky.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
47:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
47:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen, it's like, it's a tall order to be a new housewife on season 20 of O.C.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: like going back to basics and like bringing all these former vet housewives in like that.
47:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tall task and so for her for her to net out into a place where most of the cast is congratulate her basically on a on a solid season.
47:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
47:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Dan and who said, I also don't like the new girls.
47:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Carmella.
47:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there we go.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it circles back to the beginning of our conversation where it's like we expected maybe this episode to have a little bit more of like a celebration of the 20 years and be a little bit more like reflective and it really wasn't that past the first two minutes.
47:57
[SPEAKER_00]: it still has it has obviously like a foot in the past because we have to celebrate that, but it really is facing forward and it's so moving forward and that is like so that's such an important mess is just send a such a monumental occasion for the franchise.
48:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and it's also, to me, nice not to have like a fourth returny in a row who doesn't work out after Taylor to Alexis to Gretchen pipeline, like it actually feels like a true celebration to introduce us to someone new who fits the mold versus going back into the past and seeing does this puzzle piece still fit.
48:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, like there's a conversation to be had another time about to sort of like, you know, who works in certain groups and like, whether to push that or not and like I think that that's like an interesting layered conversation, but I'm glad to hear that Carmella works and last question for, you know, I think give a lot of hints and ideas of what sort of where this season is going.
48:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You said we're going to see a lot of former housewives of O.C.
48:53
[SPEAKER_00]: pop up on this season.
48:55
[SPEAKER_00]: do you get the impression that any of them will be more than just popping up on an episode or do any of them sort of become more of like a friend of type role or now I don't think anybody kind of comes part of the drama I think they are all.
49:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as a cameo's little party's little conversation, that sort of thing, I think the person who would want that to happen is probably Joe, she was the only alum who showed up for the premier party.
49:22
[SPEAKER_01]: There were supposed to be others that all kind of scheduling and timing didn't work out and she still seems to have like a lot of
49:29
[SPEAKER_01]: reverence for the show i think she also feels like oh god i missed out on like the real experience because my two seasons were not what this show is now uh and she is the one person who speaks in the trailer too i think she and like peggy to noose speak in the trailer from past housewives um but yeah i don't think anybody any of them get involved in the drama at least as far as i know
49:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was up there posing with the rest of the cast.
49:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, they they told her to do that.
49:55
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't like jump into the group.
49:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe it.
49:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it, but yeah, and I'm sure if Gina Kio had been there.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure if any of the other women had been there.
50:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They would have been up in that group picture.
50:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I just have to use the only former house flight.
50:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was not.
50:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was not and Lori were supposed to be there.
50:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
50:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I feel like it was a solid premiere.
50:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It sets us up for a season that just feels like it's going to hit home.
50:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to feel good.
50:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have all the ingredients.
50:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you said, like, the cast is really solid.
50:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it vibes.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be funny and entertaining and it's going to be a drama.
50:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm excited for this season.
50:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got it.
50:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also feels good for the summer, you know?
50:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
50:38
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels exactly what we need in this moment of time and like post summer house scandal.
50:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, girl, I want something like this.
50:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
50:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be so deep in the mock of it.
50:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to turn my brain off, turn my TV on and have fun.
50:55
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the motto.
50:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Turn our brain off or turn our TV on.
50:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce, you said that you had interviewed all the women at the Premier Party and you have you're always interviewing people, where can people go to find those interviews now and throughout the season?
51:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so everything will be on entertainment tonight's YouTube page.
51:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And I link everything on my Instagram app, right, Sanders, so you can find it easily.
51:17
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and all the, I will see interviews should be out by the time this is out of, okay, amazing.
51:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I also price, I love when like, I, one of your interviews pops up on YouTube, and it's like, it's giving like 20 plus minutes, and I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm sad.
51:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always like an article.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: You people want to watch something slow.
51:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We do.
51:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We do and you you have the right question So I broke us up to the entertainment tonight YouTube channel.
51:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce always a pleasure.
51:46
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