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166. October 2023 Astrology & Human Design Transit Update · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the emotional mastery podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, rochelle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a holistic, human design health coach and this podcast is here to support you in your journey to understanding and regulating your emotions, to help you remember who you are, to ground into your knowing and to support you in all things spiritual, emotional and health mind, body and soul.
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  Speaker 1: I bring some amazing guests to share their story with you and my goal is to have conversations that are supportive of wherever you find yourself in your journey.
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  Speaker 1: I thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 1: This podcast started as a space to just share my voice and over the years it has become so much more.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here and thank you for your support.
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  Speaker 1: Now enjoy the show.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode on the podcast Another week.
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: This week I talked to Jesse Eccles all about October transits.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: I almost said August.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: October's transit this month is going to be intense.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: So we are entering into eclipse season and we're going to get real deep into that.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: But just as a, I guess, preface, you can grab your charts so you can be ready for this conversation.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: So you can go to Astrocom and grab your astrology chart.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: You can go to my website the link is down below, to get your human design chart to see what gates are active and just to sort of make this interactive, like as we're talking, so you can really understand how these may be impacting you, so you can know where your nodal axis is.
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: Because we dive a little bit into the nodal axis and this month is big, it is intense and it can feel a little bit overwhelming, or I don't even want to say scary, because I think everything is as it is right and I think the lessons that are going to be coming up are coming up for a reason and, as Jesse says, eclipse season is sort of this like portal that can allow you to like skip steps and like time jump and all these things if we're doing the work and if we're showing up.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: And so really looking back to May which is really interesting because we were talking about that here and we actually started recording these monthly transit episodes back in May and it has become like you guys are loving these episodes.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: I get a lot of feedback on this transit report and it's so much fun to just like catch up with Jesse on a personal level, have these conversations and really like go through the transits and in my own personal practice.
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: I do these and then I do weekly transit episodes now.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm like three, I think three episodes into the weekly transit episodes, and I also am a human with emotions and sometimes the emotions like not take over they don't so much do that anymore, but like I'll feel these like intense emotional experiences and then I'm like, oh yeah, that's why these transits that are happening, right, and so really like again looking back into like the end of April and May and to see what themes were coming up and what is going to be coming up now for you, and reflection of that, and this could be a time where we're closing those chapters, we're opening new chapters, things that maybe we didn't work through at that time or things we were manifesting then, because every single moon cycle is like a six month window, is a six month period.
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: So it's not like we just go through these things now and like, boom, it's over and done and we're moving on to the next thing, right, like these are long, long lasting transits, they have long lasting impact and so nothing happens, like some things happen instantaneously, but typically when we're going through these cycles, it's a six month period that we could actually see the things manifesting.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: And I did go back to my journal in May I believe it was end of April and May and I was like whoa, just the things that I was talking about at the time were really interesting.
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: I think I had like a dream about like a house burning down and I don't know.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: It was just really interesting to sort of reflect back.
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go back in and dive a little bit deeper and just see really like the themes that were coming up.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: I think I only looked at the eclipse journal entry and so I want to like see what was happening around that same time.
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: But it's been a lot for the last, at least in my personal journey.
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: It's been a lot for the last couple months, I would say, like since Venus went retrograde.
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  Speaker 1: I was feeling really really good in July and then August hit and I just started feeling a little bit rocky, a little bit up and down, and I'm uncovering some subconscious beliefs that are happening.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: I really believe that it's this theme for me of like we can't have it all.
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  Speaker 1: So when things in relationships are going great, then things in my business are a little stickier.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: When my business is going really great, then things in relationships are a little sticky.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like sort of this mindset of like feeling like we can't have it all and I believe we can.
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm really working hard on reprogramming those beliefs through subconscious or sorry, through subliminal audio.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: So I listen to it at night and then I'm doing to be magnetic work.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm doing shadow work, moving through that during the day.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: And yesterday was at work and I had a moment where I noticed my thought pattern was a little bit negative and so I was like you know what, for the rest of the day I'm just going to sit here and repeat this mantra in my mind.
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: And so I literally just like walked around and repeated this mantra in my mind and it was magical, like literally my day was like magical.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: So there truly is something to that and mindset is everything.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: Mindset is everything.
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  Speaker 1: So what you are thinking really translates into what you feel and it's so easy to allow our emotions.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing right.
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  Speaker 1: When we're feeling an emotion, it is typically tied to an experience we had in the past.
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  Speaker 1: Right, the range of emotions that we feel.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was Ken Close that said this on the podcast episode back in May.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to it like check it out and put it in the show notes.
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  Speaker 1: But we experience every single emotion we're going to experience by the age of 30.
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: And so after that, any emotion that we experience is going to be tied to a event or a story or a situation.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: And so as we're moving through our emotional experiences, they're always tied back to something.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: And so I could I never really have an experience without asking myself where is this coming from?
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  Speaker 1: Why am I feeling this way?
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  Speaker 1: What is this?
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  Speaker 1: What am I making this mean about me?
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  Speaker 1: Because there's always an underlying story and it's so easy to numb, it's so easy to avoid, but like really showing up and doing the work, and I'm trying to find the balance of that seriousness of doing that work and also just like play and fun and incorporating that in, because I think you need both right, just like there's a duality in everything, like we have to have all of it.
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: And so I'm really working to find that balance and just trying to stay present.
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: And Jesse and I kind of talk a little bit about surrender and what it means in this episode and I think, like for me, as I'm like thinking about it, since she asked me that question.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it is right.
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: It's doing the work and it's having the play and it's surrendering to the moment of like.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: One thing I always ask myself when, if I'm feeling frustrated, or if I'm feeling low, or if I'm feeling down, it's like in this very moment.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: Bring myself fully into this moment.
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  Speaker 1: What do I need?
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  Speaker 1: Right, and normally, in each moment, everything is perfect, right Like right now, I'm sitting in my house by myself and I'm recording this to you and I feel excited.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: Right Like there's nothing that I need.
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  Speaker 1: I have my coffee in front of me, the air feels nice, the temperature is perfect, I'm wearing my hoodie, I'm super comfortable.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: Right Like, I don't need to worry about anything outside of this exact moment.
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  Speaker 1: And in the book Man's Search for Meaning that I read a couple of weeks ago, that's what he had said.
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  Speaker 1: He's like in every single moment.
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  Speaker 1: That's where your purpose is Bringing yourself into the moment.
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  Speaker 1: That is your purpose, that's where you will find your purpose.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: And it's so true because, whatever your experience in life, you may have bills stacking up which we talk about money here too.
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: Money, it's just.
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  Speaker 1: It's energy, it's just fake, it's like not even a real thing.
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: Right, we are the ones that have assigned a meaning to it, like, yes, if you owe bills, that can be stressful.
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: And also bring yourself into this moment, like, unless there's somebody at your door arresting you over bills, right in this very moment, you're probably fine.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Right, it's our mind makes things so much worse than it is.
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: And another book that I'm reading called the Wise Heart, that's what they say.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: It's so much easier to see our flaws than to see our divinity.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: It's so much easier for us to be like, oh, I'm just a bum than to be like, oh, my gosh, I have a piece of God within me, right, or I am divine or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I'm my highest expression of self.
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  Speaker 1: It's so much easier for our mind to attach to the negative than it is to actually see the light within each of us.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, this episode was actually really good.
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: We got into, like some some really interesting like tangents here about authenticity and what that means, and our expression and human design, the G center and surrender and, of course, the transits, the eclipses, pluto, just like a ton.
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  Speaker 1: It is packed.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to leave it at that, but enjoy this episode.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: The Holistic Human Design Academy launches in October 22nd.
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: On October 22nd.
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• 8:50
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• 8:51
  Speaker 1: One is meditation, breathwork.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: I have a shaman coming in to really get into the shadow work that we have a whole shadow work module, so she's going to be a guest speaker there.
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: I have somebody coming to talk about intuition.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: I have somebody who combines hypnosis and human design.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: Jesse's going to come and teach us really how to unpack our astrology.
• 9:10
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• 9:13
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• 9:19
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• 9:30
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• 9:34
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• 9:38
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• 9:48
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• 10:28
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• 10:39
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• 10:43
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• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to another episode of the emotional mastery podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Today is October's transits with Jesse Jesse Eccles, and I'm really excited to get into this one because I feel like there's a lot that we could just like dive into.
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: I wanted to like start talking offline, but I was like let's just record.
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: I know I almost started spilling, spilling all the tea right?
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, but it's more fun to do it live Exactly.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so today is the third and I feel like well to even start off.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: I know today we have Mars in the South node conjunct, like right now as we speak, correct?
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't even think about that.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I was actually.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: I was, so I was listening to the astrology podcast, like trying to like get like my news from last month or whatever.
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: It's like kind of interesting.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: There's been a few things about like famous people getting their birth times, like Elon Musk and Doja Cat or like something like that.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: And then they were talking about like Mr Beast, which is like a YouTuber and my son watches him all the time and I was like fascinated by like him because he has Jupiter in Pisces and I think that's mostly what they're talking about, like how much money he like gives away to people.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: That's how he's kind of got to start.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: But there was nothing like mind blowing news wise, but they were talking about this conjunction and I was like that's interesting.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: That is interesting.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: I was like when I was looking at all the things with Libra season, the South Note has been so activated and obviously that's why it's also Eclipse season.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: But yes, I just pulled it up, mars is exactly conjunct the South Note today.
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so what can we maybe be feeling with this?
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: So, actually, the first thing that came to mind and this is definitely like maybe me being a little bit idealistic, but it's like actually taking action on what we need to let go of in the most layman terms, right, like South Note is what we need to release and let go of, and Mars is taking action on that, and so I think that can be a really good thing, right.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: But for some people it's that whole saying of, like you know, holding on is sometimes harder than letting go, right, and so it, and the reason we don't want to let go is because maybe it's, you know, making us feel comfortable or maybe it's just something that's feeling some void, but we do need to let it go.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: So that's why it can feel hard as well, same with kind of Eclipse season vibes.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: But the other thing you know with Mars is it can bring out like aggression, right, and when we're talking about the sign of Libra, which it's not just relationships, I don't like to just boil it down to that, but it can come out in relationships, especially depending on how it's showing up in your chart.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: So just be aware of that in any one one on one dynamics today, on which this is coming out, probably after today, but the general theme over the next couple of days, anyways, is is that, and just being aware of any like kind of anger and frustration, which may also be your human design themes, but I've been feeling a lot of that recently.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: My son this, I don't, I don't even want to say this out loud, I hope my mom's not listening.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: My son told me today to stop yelling mommy, so maybe, maybe that he's two and a half.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was just like I had all.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I had two dogs and the two kids on me and I was like back off me.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: It happened so that's how it can also matter.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure I noticed.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: So I mean we've talked about it here in my self notes in Libra as well, and so even just like the last couple of days, like yesterday, I got like really mad at somebody over like something that realistically like wasn't that big of a deal, but like I noticed all of those patterns coming up where I was going to ignore them, I was going to like not answer their call, but I was like don't be passive, aggressive, let's just be.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Like let's like continue with the things that we're working towards using our voice and communicating and like whatever.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: And it worked out fine.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: But like I did notice, I was like super irritated, I was like how dare you?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: And I was like not that big a deal, yeah.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: So it's like those silly things that come up, obviously so beautiful you became aware of it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: But also that's such a good explanation of the integration of it too right, because while the North Node is an Aries and we're like leaning into some of this Aries energy and putting yourself first, it's also integrating that, like hopefully more mastery of the South Node, of the relationship dynamics and being aware and being able to communicate and kind of balancing all of that.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: But with Mars there it's definitely that like aggression and anger is going to come out like quickly.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: You know Mars is going to be quick about it, so catching that and, like I don't know, finding some punching bag to deal with instead.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: That's what I need because I definitely have like a lot of that right now and I don't need to be taking it out.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, mars and Libra.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like passive aggressiveness is a big quality of that right, so it's like I mean, I felt myself boiling all day and then, like, when it came down to it, I was going to be like super passive, aggressive, but I was like, nah, let's try a different approach, but like I can see how that definitely, you know, and like just that, like energy around it was a lot, totally, yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that is today as we're speaking, and then tomorrow, mercury moves into Libra.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I had for yeah.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So tomorrow's, like the October 4th, is like the first I don't know like transition.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: It's the first in progress where a planet's changing.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: So Mercury is entering Libra, more Libra energy, which also means, you know, during its time in Libra it'll eventually conjunct the South node, so there might be some support around communication during that time.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: But Mercury and Libra is comfortable.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Libra is an air sign, Mercury is mental right and so it is a time that we can feel more communicative, we can feel more social, potentially, especially with like this eclipse energy and all this heavy Libra energy we've had around relationships, Some things that maybe you're currently fighting about or mad about.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll have that ability to actually communicate more effectively around that with Mercury and Libra Kind of thing where there can be some passive aggressiveness but it can also be really supportive in you listening and that's something to be really aware of.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: But on the flip side of like passive aggressiveness, it's also when we might be, especially for people who have more tendencies to people pleasing.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: It can also be that like overcompensation of like others.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: First, Mercury and Libra is an interesting dynamic, as we're we have just such heavy areas, Libra energy this month period, like the season, all the eclipses, obviously more present Libra kind of in an area.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: So it's just a lot of kind of heaviness on this axis.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: But I think Mercury there will really help us communicate things around all of these topics, hopefully a little bit better.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what was coming to me, like as I was looking through all of these two is like, maybe using Mercury and especially like Mars, there too, being able to set boundaries, being able to like communicate and use your voice to set boundaries around those areas.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Of course, like with the South Note, I feel like that's where we find comfort is just is in the people, pleasing, but maybe, like Mars, is just sort of like asking us to, like you know, be more assertive and shake things up a little bit when it comes to that, because, yeah, I think it just can be so easy to just fall into all that Libra stuff, right, like, just like not wanting to be confrontational and, of course, like again going back to human design, depending, if you have an undefined emotional total plexus, you may be leaning hard into avoidance this month.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Another thing, something just popped into my head.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I had, I had a real go viral.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I honestly when they go viral because I get all these comments that make me all but hurt, and it's not my people.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: But what just made me think of this was one of the things it said I had in the real.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember what the real was about, to be honest, but one of the things I said in it was authenticity over attacked and someone was like what's the definition of tact here?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Like you can have both or whatever.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: And I was like yeah, okay, it's literally a 30 second real, but whatever.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I'm not like defining all of these things.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So I was like I was getting really fast and aggressive.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I ended up not like replying to because I was like like you don't even follow me, yeah, but I think that's part of it is you, you can have authenticity and tact and it's that in the way that you communicate it right, like being authentic isn't just being like overly, you know, direct and rude.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: You can also be able to like hear other people out, have compromise while also putting yourself first, and that's kind of the integration of it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And Mercury can kind of help set those boundaries as well and like what feels good to you and what doesn't.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like a conversation I feel like I've been having, like in my own mind, but like also with other people, like here and there lately.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: But this idea of authenticity, right, and I think like so oftentimes we don't really have the compassion for others in that because it's like what's authentic to you is literally your energetic blueprint, right, and what's authentic to me is mine, and I use the G center as an example because I just think it's so easy and such a beautiful example but, like, the undefined and open G center is never really going to know with full fact like who it is.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So to be like you need to find yourself and this, that and the other thing.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Like that G center, it is literally here to mirror those around it, right.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So so being authentic in that sense is showing up as you are and that's being adaptable, that's being a chameleon, that's being different in every environment that you go in, whereas somebody with a defined G center may be like, oh, you're so inauthentic because you change all the time, right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So I think it's like it's hard to say what is authentic from person to person.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Only you know what is yours and right, and if you have like a sharp tongue right.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Looking at astrology, maybe you have, you know, I don't know Mars, mercury conjunct in something right, and so it's like what?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: What is the definition of that?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And I think we're all looking from our own lens, like I can be over here in my chaos and like not understand how somebody can be a certain way and like not care where.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: It's like they may be caring, but that's the way they show it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: So I think it's just like such a interesting dynamic and social media is just so interesting because everybody has an opinion right, and it's like but we're also different, and it's it is so easy to take that stuff personally.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I know like I've had comments too before and I'm just like you have to let it go right.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: It's just like I don't even know this person.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Why am I getting upset about it?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: But absolutely you get defensive, which I actually think is another theme of that Libra energy.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: You kind of get defensive.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Well, so the third kind of backtracking, just a second.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: But the third Venus is moving back into gate 29, where it was back in July, and I know you're very familiar with that energy, as am I, so it can be the people pleaser, but it's just like the gate of yes, the gate of commitment.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It's in the sacred role.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: So it's so important, especially with Venus, like being back in that gate, to make sure that you're saying yes to things that are actually lighting you up, that are actually lined, and if you don't have a defined sacred role, I don't know, transately it might be defined right now I actually didn't check like the human design transits right now.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is, because I've been like looking for the connection gate for my channel and it's not there yet.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm pulling it up right now Let me see Current transits.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're a reflector right now, transately, so it depends on your own setup.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But okay, so, but yeah, that gate 29,.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It's just like people who have a defined sacred role, a lot of people who have this specific gate to.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It's like when something's a yes, their body will like physically move them towards the thing.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And I think the sacred role is beautiful in that way where it just like moves you towards what you want to do.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: But it is so easy to say yes, and I think a lot about I mean I think this is Leo right Because it's like I am so like I I love to like give, I love to like do things for people, and I think it's like it's not even like about the money, it's not even.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It's just like I am so happy to provide or be generous.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: In that sense it makes me happy.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: But then I think I think we had this conversation like a couple episodes ago too but it's like there comes a point where it's when it's expected.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean Then I get frustrated with it and it's, and so I think with this it's really discerning, and especially with Venus, and then, of course, everything in Libra.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It's all like tying this energy in and I think Venus is like a massive player for the second half of the year because it's still like ruler of Libra and Taurus right, and then Mars is Aries and Scorpio, so it's like this huge theme.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So even like through Scorpio season, it's still going to be like playing in there a little bit.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: So I think just like having that moving into that gate was important to touch on.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for doing that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I appreciate that it just made me re-remember that as well.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then we have okay.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: So then Venus moves into Virgo on the eighth.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, that should be, that should be in the right order, yeah, oh well.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So okay, venus goes out of its shadow phase on the seventh, yeah, which I've been kind of keeping an eye on for my own personal reasons, cause I'm like, okay, maybe we'll get like clarity around like all these situations or whatever, like when that happens.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And then it shifts on the eighth.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've been waiting forward to, like I, I've been thinking about my 29 degree Leo placements, like I've been waiting for Venus to get back to that, but it's already in gate 29, which is weird that it's also just like it has nothing to do with degree of 29, but, same kind of gate helps me remember it honestly.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: But I've been waiting for it to get all the way there.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: It's only like 25 degrees Leo, but yeah, then it'll move to Virgo, which it will stay in gate 29 and then eventually move out, I think right, but with, yeah, venus and Virgo, like it has been kind of rewind.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It's been in Leo for so long I don't even remember how many weeks at this point because of the retrograde and, as you said, we're moving out of the shadow phase.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So it's just been in Leo for a really long time.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So it will feel like a shift.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I mean anytime Venus changes signs, you usually do feel that shift, but with Venus and Virgo it's a little bit more practical.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: But every single time I feel like this whole year that we've talked about anytime anything goes into Virgo.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: We have those Pisces placements across opposite right now.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: So we have Saturn that's more towards the beginning of Pisces, and Neptune that's at the end.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: So while Venus is in Virgo, over the next several weeks it's going to be opposite Saturn and then eventually opposite Neptune.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So when it first enters Virgo I do think it's going to feel quite Virgo, it's going to feel like quite practical it's.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have kind of a focus on finances, especially collectively, with Pudua at the end of Capricorn, so there's gonna be some like shifts financially and that also, if you've had any I mean, we've all probably had different types of like struggles with the chaos in the world right now financially.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: But I think Venus being out of the shadow phase, moving into Virgo, really should provide clarity on like where you need to take your next steps, which is going to look different for everyone, but some more clarity around what your budget and your finance will look like.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: There's going to be a focus there, for sure, but it will be important, virgo being an earth sign, to really ground into that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And at the beginning of the transit it's going to be opposite Saturn, which will really make a stake responsibility.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So if you've been kind of more Venus and Leo and splurging and overspending, you might be like okay, let me get my shit together.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Or if you've been like kind of hoarding which other is like kind of the flip side of that, right, it also may make you be responsible for like taking care of yourself or goes also health right, like where do you actually need to like spend time and money, and Saturn will help you kind of figure out what that is because, right, saturn's where we need to take responsibility, but it can also feel more restrictive too.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: So just be aware of that at the beginning of the transit and then at the end of the transit in Virgo it's going to be opposite Neptune, which will feel a way different vibe, but we can probably talk about that in November.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I just always, every time something goes in a Virgo right now, I'm just like, oh, it's opposite Saturn and Neptune.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I was reading this book on sexuality in the horoscope and I don't know if you're if that's an area that you've like, kind of like touched on, but it's so fascinating.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: But they talk about this Venus, either square or opposite Saturn and how it affects you sexually.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Are you like, is that something that you've studied or like you know about?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Not like much.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: It's funny, it's random.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: So I have a ton of sacral energy in my chart, obviously like Gate 29,.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: But I also have 2034, that channel the.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: MG channel, right, and so there's like I've been seeing lots of random stuff that's like, oh, you should talk about sexuality, but it's not something I like personally, like I don't know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: It's just the time of my life right now, too, I'm just like I have kids.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like I can't even shower.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I can't think of anything else beyond that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I have it's come up randomly also a few times where I have done readings for people in the past not recently, but they've come back into my life for different reasons where those types of aspects and births come up, and it does speak to sexuality a lot, and especially with the Mars energy, mars, venus, saturn, we can look a lot at sexuality with those types of placements.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you reading about, though?
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So it was just talking about.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It was really talking about tourists and Scorpio being like the most sexual energies within the horoscope.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the body and it's just like depth and dark you know, like all those kind of things.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sensuality sexuality, exactly.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Scorpio rules the sex organ.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So it is basically like sex, but, of course, like talking about the Venus and Mars being a huge part of that.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: But it was saying like it was giving examples of Venus square Saturn, and one of them was Jeffrey Dahmer and it was like he had that aspect right and I can't remember like what placement, like what signs it was in, but like essentially like he was what he was doing, which by no means justification of anything, but what he was doing was trying to like hold on to love, right Cause he would like, like when he actually like, murdered people.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I guess he sedated them so they didn't actually feel anything, which is not okay, but still right, because he wanted to hold onto them so badly, like he didn't want them to leave.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: It was essentially like what he was doing, so they were talking about this square too, and there was more in his chart than just Venus square Saturn, but that was like one of the big ones they were talking about because of Venus being a ruler of tourists, right, and it holding that energy of that like mothering and grounding and things like that, and he had obviously mother issues and so he was clinging to these people to replace that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And of course I looked at my son, who's Scorpio, Rising Mars and Scorpio and he's got Venus square Saturn.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, of course you do so.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Now there's another layer I have to like work with you on, but it just was just really interesting and I think his is in cause he's got Venus in the eighth house.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: And so-.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, how old is he now?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Seven, okay.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know when sexuality stuff starts sort of coming up.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Oh it's bad.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You have boys.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel like it's, I don't know, maybe like because he's got Mars in the first, like he's always like grabbing stuff.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: But I got, I just had to like have a constant.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that starts when they're like in diapers, oh, it's like the minute they come out, it's like yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I had to have a call with his teacher because apparently in school he told somebody I don't know.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: He told me he just said the word balls.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: The teacher had heard him tell somebody lick my balls.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm like I have to have like a conference with the teacher over this.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: But then my daughter's 13 and she'll like it's like a back and forth at home she flicks him off with the middle finger.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: She'll like now like fuck you.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: And he's like saying it back to.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm like you guys like stop.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: But like she'll say that she'll be like lick my balls.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And he's like you don't have balls, like this thing.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's kind of funny, but it's like okay, maybe let's just know when to say that or not.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: And then also this is where I'm like astrology I feel like teachers need to know, because it's like even like not to excuse his behavior he still there's still consequences for behavior but also to know that like he has Mars and Scorpio in the first house, like he's going to be sexual, like there's nothing that you can do to like stop that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's why I do that.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And if you do, that's when the problem will occur, exactly, exactly.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what the book was saying.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Like, when you have these harsh aspects, it's not like a death sentence for you or anything like that, it's just the fact that you have to be aware.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: If you come from trauma, it's more likely that those are gonna manifest in a darker way, right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: If you come from awareness or you're.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: You know like, I feel fortunate that I know this about him, right, that I can sort of guide him into a way of this, like healthy expression of it, instead of just be like, oh my gosh, don't touch yourself, go to your room, get out of here.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: That's disgusting, you know.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So it's just helpful to know.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that was the side note.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I just thought that was interesting.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And then the 10th, we have Venus moving into gate 59, which is in the sake roll again, and I love that one just because it's the gate of intimacy, and for me, that's one of my biggest shadows and biggest wounds in human designs.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated with it, which is probably why I'm so fascinated with sexuality.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I want to know all about it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: So do you have that?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Do you have gate 59 or no?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: No, so my wide split is 59-6.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's the only thing in my chart to like bridge my energy.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I knew there was something, because I have six.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: 59 is like 59 blue Mars, mm-hmm.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it's in your Mars.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my moon, mars, unconscious moon.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this energy, so it's like a straw.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: It's my split, it's like gate 59 is the only thing I need to be single.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you need somebody that's going to come in and fill that for you, yeah, yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Whereas it like for me, with that wide split.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: The difference between a small split is when you just have one gate and the wide split is you have a whole channel.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: So for me it's like I project and I play the victim with that.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: You're not giving me intimacy, you're not giving me this or like use it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I've used sex as false intimacy for so much of my like data history and I think really it's from that right when it's like I'm blaming you for not giving me the intimacy, then I'm going to pretend to call you over for that and it's just like a whole thing.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So, again, like awareness, this is where these systems are beautiful, or I can be like, ok, let's stop and think when is this coming from?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Is this coming from my shadow, or is this just like actually wanting intimacy?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: So it's just interesting.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so Venus moves into that on the 10th.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: So just if gate 59 is important in your charts, just being aware, I think is helpful, because that's all about intimacy.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's also the same day.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Pluto stations direct.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pluto stations direct, you are correct, yes, so what can we expect with that?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's a big deal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So, but also not at the same time, like I don't want to like up or down play it, because Pluto stations direct every year.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: So it's stations retrograde every year, stations direct every year, but this year is different and, in fact, like even the whole month of October.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Like I was thinking back, I have done forecasts like annually for the past three years now where, like you know, sometime in December, I do like the year ahead or whatever, and literally back even in my 2021 and 2020 forecast, I was talking about October 2023.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And so, like the direct, pluto stationing direct in and of itself is not crazy, right, this happens all the time, but it's stationing direct during eclipse season, so it's chaotic anyways, the eclipses are in areas in Libra, right, so these are cardinal signs and Pluto is also in a cardinal sign, in Capricorn, and so it's not making direct aspects necessarily to the eclipses, but it's relevant because of this cardinal energy People with cardinal energy areas Libra, capricorn, cancer definitely going to be feeling it in all of the ways.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But Pluto stationing direct at 27 degrees of Capricorn and what is what's like the most relevant part here, and because of how slowly it kind of like stations, retrograde and direct, it's the whole entire month of October.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It just sits at 27 degrees Capricorn the whole month, which is the US Pluto return degree as well.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: The direct degree.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the exacter degree.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: So, which is why I keep talking about it in my forecast.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Now I, as people who have listened to this know, don't watch the news.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I have literally no idea what's like, even less than usual.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I have no idea of what is going on in the world right now.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: That's even in the US.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I'm in my own bubble and I kind of blame it on.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like I have two kids under two, like I'm just in a different world right now, but like actually I would choose to do that anyways.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: But, with that being said, so the US, just like every country, actually has a chart and the Pluto return is a big deal and like, quite honestly, like civilizations collapse, usually around the Pluto return.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: It's usually around 250 years.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Pluto has hit 27 degrees a couple of times now.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I forget exact dates, but that's why it's come up so many times in my forecast, because Pluto goes direct in stations retrograde, but it's going to.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: This is the last time it hits 27 degrees Capricorn, so it's like the final hurrah of this energy.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: It's also during like a pivotal time in the US and elections and these types of things that are going on.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot going on financially and banks and all of that too.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: So Capricorn represents systems and structures.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Now, not every nation, obviously, has put on Capricorn, but the fact that the US built on these systems and structures that are, obviously it doesn't even matter what your viewpoints are everyone agrees that they're not working.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So it's these systems and structures, no matter which way you look at it, that needs to collapse, and Pluto is helping transform that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: So, with it just sitting at 27 degrees right on the US, is Pluto return during a clip season, which just is these, like you know, karmic upgrades, right?
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: These massive changes, unexpected changes, just things changing and moving forward quickly during a clip season is really pivotal.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Personally, pluto Direct is also relevant, especially if you have late degree cardinal placements and you know, when a does station direct, just like any planet, we usually do receive clarity around kind of that, that part of our chart, but it's also the part of our chart that we've been transforming and we have been, you know, trying to kind of uncover deeper truths of ourselves in this area.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: So, like I know actually quite a few people that have their natal moon placement right around here, kind of late degrees Capricorn.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: So this Pluto's been there for a long time for you for years because it's been going back and forth and so this is going to be that final time where you can kind of look back and say these are the truths that I've uncovered.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: This is like the emotional wounds I have moved, moved through and how I can move forward, and like really kind of embody that phoenix rising from the ashes.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: It's like we're at that point now with this direct, because it's going to be moving into Aquarius in 2024 for good.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: It won't come back to Capricorn and so actually I think it dips back really quick.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: It won't come all the way back to 27 degrees, but it'll be moving forward into Aquarius.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: So it's our really last kind of yeah, time to transform this area of our life and like really rise from the ashes on whatever kind of chaos is ensued with that placement.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were talking about that on the astrology podcast, just like finances and things like that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Well, uranus and Taurus too, is like not helping yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And it's what like 15 or 14 maybe now, because I know it's in retrograde.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Let me see 22 degrees.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Sorry, it's 22 degrees, yeah.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, it'll be interesting to see.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And like you, like I, especially when I hear things like this and it's just like almost like causes, like anxiety, I'm like I'm glad I don't watch the news, so like I don't know everything that's happening, because if I did, I mean it's enough.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Like you can see it and especially, I think, like being in the service industry, you can see like the shifts around, like money and like how people are spending it you know, and so I can see that shifting a little bit now and so it's just like interesting to see where that's really going to go and like how it's going to impact and then leading into two eclipse season so that like three days later we have that new moon and then the eclipse in Libra.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: So I know we talked about it.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I think we started this actually in the last eclipse season these recording, these transit episodes.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's fun, I think so.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I think we did.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I'll have to look back, but I remember talking about, like feeling that chaos.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It was about April, may, yeah, I think that's when it was Okay but and I remember how chaotic I felt, you know, with my nodes in areas in Libra during that time.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: And so just like knowing, necessarily, so like even like, with, you know, venus going out of its shadow phase and getting a little bit more clarity we're still not going to get that much clarity with all this chaos, right, right.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I think it's.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of both.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It's different.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Like eclipses are chaotic.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Luckily in areas of Libra, like when we had the Taurus, scorpio eclipses, it Uranus was also involved in them because Uranus was there.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So it's like it was extra chaotic for those because Uranus is just so unexpected right and eclipse seasons, they, they can be chaotic because it's like oh gosh, how do I want to explain it?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It's it is rapid change, so it's like it might move things along quicker than you're used to.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: In that sense, with retrogrades, it's more of like I'm going to almost say like an uptunian energy, where it's just kind of cloudy, like you can't see.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: It's like you have like drunk goggles on or something.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: With retrogrades, like you just can't really see what's going on where eclipses are.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: It's almost like allowing you to skip steps, it feels like.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And so it can be chaotic because similar to I mean eclipses are different than Saturn.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: But when I talk to people about like their Saturn return, it's like if you are listening to your intuition and those nudges and kind of like trust, trusting your intuition and following the path you're meant to be on, then it's like rewarding.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: You're already, you're kind of it's going to feel fine because you're consciously deciding what can stay in your life and what needs to leave, whereas with both eclipse and Saturn they're so tied to like karmic and fadedness.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: It's those two kind of eclipses and Saturn I always say like I believe in free will, but not so much with eclipses and Saturn as much, because it's kind of the universe stepping in.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So if you've been holding onto something that's not good for you, right?
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: If you've been holding onto something that you just like know you need to let go of and haven't, the eclipses will kind of do that for you and that's where some of the chaos can come in, because you feel like you're not ready for that like leap of faith, I guess and so it can feel chaotic.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: So when you're talking about Aries Libra again just super surface level but Libra oftentimes is about relationships and Libra can be contractual relationships, marriages, like we're going to see more divorces.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I actually I have a ton of clients that I've been working with that over years that have been talking to me about getting a divorce, and some of them are accidentally, not accidentally- but, like literally finalizing them during, like during Eclipse season, and so they're taking action on, like letting that part go of them.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So it should go relatively, you know, smoothly, more or less.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: It's never smooth, I'm sure, but when you're kind of conscious and proactive about those things, then it can feel a little bit easier, even if it's still emotional.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But if again you're holding on to something, those eclipses will kind of just come in and be like here we go, here's your new beginning.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just Mars won't be really touching it anymore at that point.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: No Mars goes into Scorpio on October 12th.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Mars after.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Scorpio right before the new moon eclipse on October 14th.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: So Mars will be out of there, and then Mars and Scorpio.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Mars rules Scorpios, that should be.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like at home, maybe a little intense, which can be sexual as well.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always feel like and I think it's just because I'm a tourist sign like Scorpio season is usually pretty intense for me.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I just think all the lessons of Scorpio are like coming up in like so many different like planets and aspects and things like that, that it's just like.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: It's like literally I've gotten divorced twice, but both times were initiated in Scorpio season.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I was just like I'm done, I can't do it, I'm like over it, but kind of like going back, that the new moon should be I believe I'm not mistaken, it should be gate 32.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the shadow.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: There is failure, and I like little, like quote thing, but it says I'm afraid to lose all my money and die.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: It's like so dramatic, but like that's the shadow there and then the gift is in preservation.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So then it's like I know how to connect and I know how to prosper and I know how to like move forward and things like that.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: So like such a dramatic, like difference of, like I'm just going to lose everything and then that's the end of it, right, and that actually feels like, as you're talking about the eclipses and Pluto and like everything, that just feels really like what could be, I guess, a possibility or a mindset that could be happening during this time, especially when it comes to the money.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, like you said, like there's, I think, a lot of that, a lot of the money stuff is coming up and it has been coming up, but I think like it's just boiling right now and it'll be interesting to see, I guess, where it goes with that.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my mind just went like a million different places.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I have Gate 54 is my North Node, so that will complete my channel there and I've just been like, yeah, thinking and reflecting on that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I think I posted something and if I didn't, then I'm going to about it Because, yeah, I don't know, I'm kind of just excited for that transit, but when I first saw it it's like the failure and it's the fear of failure and I feel that a lot for sure.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, with money in general, I think it's just there's so many layers to that collectively right now because we have the Pluto and Capricorn, so these major systems and structures that are creating these kind of money things.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: But then we also still have a lot of tourist energy with Uranus and Taurus, which is also money.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: But then there's this like Aries energy, which is all about putting ourselves first and like knowing our worth, and worth is like the word I think about the most, because money is worth, but it's also about self worth, right, and it's about that's like.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It's like that inner worth so that you can have that external worth and like I think so much of that is like us finding our inner worthiness to like receive that, like greater abundance.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: But then, on the side of that, I'm going on a little bit of a tangent here but like the money itself, right, is like fake, right.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: We've decided that it's worth something, right?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: So I think that's also what's going to change.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Like what do we decide?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Not only like is buying this food or buying this lip gloss or buying this piece of cloth worth it?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But like is this, like what actually is that exchange of resources?
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's what's going to like majorly begin to shift.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And it's so hard to wrap our heads around because we've been using the dollar.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: But that is what's going to start to like we're going to see those systems and structures collapsing and like figure out how to?
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: What are we exchanging?
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Like what's our actual energy exchange here?
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Because we've just decided that money is worth something.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's interesting, I really do.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: You know love and money are so connected.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: The energy of them is like the same, and I'm really exploring that in my own, just like personal growth, I guess, or just my own shadows around it, right, and you do like it is fake when you look at it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: It's like it's nowadays it's really just numbers on a computer screen, right, and it's even more fake now.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: you're just like pressing buttons and you're like, yeah, yeah, well and it's interesting, like working in the service industry and making cash on hand daily, I almost feel like limits me, right, and so I'm trying to like get out of that right, because there's only a certain amount of cash that I can be bringing home right Per day.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And so I'm again, I'm like I'm reworking all of that.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: But then, like, even with that, what we started with the Mr Beast in YouTube, right, like they were saying like he like his first, his first deal, they offered him $5,000 and he was like give me 10,000, I'll give it all away and I promise like your company will blow up, type of thing, and they did it, and so his whole thing is like I was watching, so I had my son put on last night, so I was like who is this Mr Beast?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I want to see what he does, right, like, because I'm just like curious now, but I mean the things that he buys and the things that he gives away.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: It's almost hard to wrap the amount of money that this man must be making to be able to do things like that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Granted a lot of it's, sponsored deals and things like that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But to be able to like rent an entire cruise ship and bring 400 of your followers on it for like 24 hours is like crazy, right.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So, again, it's all that like mental concept of like what is your definition of abundance?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: What is your, again that worth piece?
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Like how do, how worthy do you feel to receive it?
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: You know, because I think that that really opens things up and just knowing it's just energy and it's all going to shift right.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: The dollar, the actual physical, tangible dollar, is just it's changing and I think, like all these transits this month, especially with, like tourists and Venus and like all the things, it's just, it's just really interesting.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: And I know that's just like in my own personal thing, like what I'm really working to reframe is this concept or of my belief of the dollar and like money and like what I can do.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Right, Because it's like I'm only limiting myself when I believe I can only bring X amount home.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You know and so it's just like really having to rewire that and I'm hoping, and I'm these, like this transit this month like would be supportive and all that.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also associated with time.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I remember I used to like work hourly, right, so you're literally, you know what your hour is worth, right, like whatever you know, make $10 an hour, but then I'm going to go spend $10.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So not only are you thinking like, is this shirt worth 10, nothing's worth $10 anymore.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like this is my first bakery job, right, I was making like $7 an hour or whatever, but like I would think about it like that, like, oh, this is an hour of me standing there serving someone, is it worth this shirt?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: As opposed to oh, it's just $10.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: And I think, like once I, once my jobs like switched to salary, I started thinking about money differently, right, because it's it is still a time money exchange, but it's slightly different, right.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: And then, when you think about it as like an entrepreneur and I'm sure you start to experience this too, but like I the when you do like a reading, it's kind of like an hourly exchange, right, like what is my hour worth?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: But when you do something more, like horses or where you can I don't know even podcasts sometimes, where you're, it's not just that hourly exchange.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: You don't think like there was such a shift in my money mindset when I stopped equating it to an hour's worth of my time.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: But not everyone can do that and that's, but that's one of the things for me that actually really helped and shifted like my relationship with it was like it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be that exchange of time, even though it also is too, but I really hope that shifts because I think that's just like I see so many people like in my circle that are just it is that hour money exchange and I hope that shifts because I think it gets people really stuck.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like the harder you work, the more you make that mindset right.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: And I remember like the first time I launched something that brought in like a significant amount, it like shifted so much, but then I still have work to do around it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: But like that initial like this was, it was so easy, and I was like for what?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Like there's no, like it wasn't hard the work was hard it was, I was excited to do it right and so like that began to shift that mindset of like oh wow, it doesn't, I don't have to be grinding and working like 12 plus hours a day just to like be able to pay my bills, like it doesn't have to be like that right.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: And I think that that money mindset I mean but we have so many stories around it from like our, you know, your parents and childhood and what we witnessed and things like that that it can get like really deep.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: But but hopefully it does it shifts because it's important.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I think it will.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I will see, yeah, so like because it could okay.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: So back to like eclipses.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: So we have the new moon eclipse in Libra, but then I will kind of go back and forth here for a second, because then we have the full moon eclipse in Taurus and Aries in Libra, which is kind of the highlight, because that's what we're moving into in 2024, isn't inherently money at all, but Libra, venus, aries, about the self.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: But we have the last eclipse on Taurus Scorpio axis.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: And for people who care about, like, the mechanics, the reason eclipses are kind of weird and go back and forth for a minute is because the North node and the South node are actually in Aries and Libra and that's what kind of causes the eclipses, because that's where the ecliptic is, and but the reason we have it in Taurus still this month is because of the orb, and so the North node and the South node are going to be at late degrees Aries, libra I can't remember the exact degrees, but the full moon is going to be at five degrees Taurus, so it's still eclipsing, essentially that just kind of at the beginning and the end of the degree.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: But it's why I kept kind of talking about money is because Taurus Scorpio axis is about money, it is about resources, it's about material resources, especially in Taurus, and so and it's wrapping up an 18 month cycle, so it's this culmination.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Full moons are a culmination, they are an ending right and being an eclipse it's even more potent, being the last eclipse on this cycle, it's even more potent.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: And so that's why I kind of like, kind of skipped ahead, thinking of it that way, because of this other Taurus energy we have with Uranus, this other kind of money energy with Pluto in Capricorn and kind of dismantling those systems.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: And so there is this really big shift there, but taking a step back to the new moon which like, chronologically, is happening.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: First is the new moon solar eclipse in Libra, which really is starting us on this shift of the Aries Libra axis, and when we have new moon eclipses, there is the new moon and they're more internal themes, but it's really about self and relationships as we get into more and more Libra energy going into the next year.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: It is also about, like on a greater scale, collectively, war and peace, and that's where it can feel a little bit like anxiety and again, I don't know what's really going on collectively.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: But there's this kind of balance of, like individual versus group needs.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: There's like an allies and enemies kind of energy with like Aries Libra as well, and I think we like even you'll see, I think, as how do I explain this?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Like you put more emphasis on who you are right, and we kind of talked about with the open identity center.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Like you don't always know your authentic self, but putting more emphasis on that can also shift friendships.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: You may lose friendships.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: In friendships.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: There's this kind of energy that's kind of just shitting your soul Stay in thing as well and who you interact with, and there's going to be a new kind of priority on that as well.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Like who do you keep in your circle, who do you trust?
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that also will kind of be like a new beginning there.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like just on a not even astrological level, but I think, and maybe it's because of this axis for me personally, but I've just been like in this practice of just sort of like surrendering to what is and maybe just like, because it's been intense and a lot of things have been coming up, it's like that point where it's like I can't do anything to control this.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: And like, even aside from like what any of the transits or anything is saying, it's just like having to be within my own system and just like trusting that what's coming up is coming up.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: And I think we it's so easy to like want to control and to like guide the narrative, but we really can't like the universe it's, I don't know.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: There's just been like some things that are just like you're having a laugh, like you have to be right now.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think, like this, maybe this energy is just really calling for that to just just letting it be, you know, and and surrendering to it because there's not much else you can do.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: What is like?
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: What does that look like for you?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I always when people it's, it's surrender is like one of those things that like sounds so nice, right, what is?
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: what is that actually looks like?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Because for me.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Sometimes, though, it's like and maybe this is I don't know I just feel like it's more of like a low road, but it just feels like maybe it's also my queries moon, but there's just like this detachment and this like totally like then I just feel uninvolved in my life.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Almost right, does that make sense?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: There's just this like almost like, I don't know, like laying on the couch and just watching it go by, but it's not like that engaged feeling either.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you surrender shows up for you.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't like it when it's like that.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, let me just take a step back.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: It's almost like I don't care.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: That is what happens sometimes, Because we've had a lot of I brought this up randomly We've had a lot of chaos in our home, our physical home.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot of water damage.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: We've had a lot of construction, a lot of feeling taken advantage of and things like that, and I just get to these points where I just don't care about anything.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like fine, whatever can happen, and my husband's like you have to care.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: It's almost like this, not caring, and I'm like I'm surrendering, but it's the low road, obviously.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: And so I'm just curious, because I have a hard time, I know, when I feel like I'm surrendering and things feel in flow, but I've never been able to articulate that well.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm curious what that looks like for you.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just getting out of my mind is a big one, where it's like when I'm not surrendered, obviously I'm just ruminating and I'm like, oh my gosh, this and that and I'm following adult patterns and all those things, and I think, like I said, money and love are so interconnected and maybe it's because I have a tourist sign that those things are just always present for me in the Libra South Node, but especially like in relationships and things like for me, like lately, it's just been like noticing my patterns and not feeling like that's my identity, like being like, okay, this is the way I did things, but like I'm just going to let it go.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Or like even money, when it's like I can't control what's going to happen or I can't control like unexpected bills, like I can't do any of that.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: So it's like what can I do in this moment?
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: Right, and sort of like calling myself into like now and just be like, okay, there's nothing I can do, I'm not going to stress about it because that's just going to make me sick, right, like it's just like unnecessary.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: But there are times where you get that Like I do understand that, that detachment.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know that in my personal life I would call that surrender to me.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But that's just because for me it's more like like I guess, in the way that I get, when I get like that, it's like intentional and it's like there's aggression behind it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like all right, fuck you, I'm done.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Like I'm going to pretend, like I just don't care and I'm going to numb out and I'm going to like get high or like something right.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: That's just going to like put me in that space.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: So that that's for me very different than just like being like okay, I'm going to surrender, just like sit and watch something and avoid, or not even avoid, like I don't know, I guess that's, that's the way that that comes up for me in my life.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, does that make sense?
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't know how to explain it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Like it's like birds I view.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: It's like watching your own life.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like a numbing out feeling to me, yeah, but that's like a different feeling.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm reading this book and like the chapter I'm currently on is about self identification and it's like being able to be selfless and detached from that.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: People a lot of times think they're going to lose their identity, but there was like an example in there where there's one woman like could not let go of the story she was holding on and so finally she was like in meditation and she let it go and it was like she was saying how she was just like watching her body move and like navigate the day, but she wasn't like attached to it, like your body is going to do what your body is going to do, right, and it's sort of like that being able to like perceive it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And I've like hit a few points where I feel like I can like detach in that sense and just like watch what's happening.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: And for me it's more like the mind stuff I guess.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I guess I always, you know, with my Leo moon it's just hard for me to fully detach from my emotions like that, right, and that's why I've always struggled to like Capricorn moons and like even the Aquarius, like that detachment, like just in my own life I take it very personally where I'm like I don't care, you know.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: So it's like I think that's just an aspect that maybe I find challenging to like actually understand when it's not attached to just like numbing and avoiding and like being more destructive.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: So for me, like that okay presents to me as more of like destruction or self sabotage path.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, yeah, okay, thanks for sharing.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: No.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just yeah, it's starting yeah.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: No, my, it just started with me kind of wanting to learn more about what surrendering kind of means to you.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: It's just one of those kind of hard ones to know what it actually feels like, unless you're kind of like in it and see it working right yeah.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: When I think, like even that G center example, right, and like stopping the resistance of like I have to show up in a certain way.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Because it's like we all we all wear masks, right, we all show up differently in different settings.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And like to understand, I guess, like even just to give myself grace with, like that sometimes that's just like who I am, that's how I navigate life, that's just like my energetics is like that's almost surrendering and I'm not resisting.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, why was this way?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: And then I have to be this way or have to show up to work Because, like there are parts of like I do show up very differently in work than I do like here with my kids, right, and that can be frustrating sometimes because it's like I want to like speak up or I want to use my voice or whatever, but then I feel like I have to be in a like a professional setting or I have to like have a sort of like thing you know or like I don't know.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: It's just interesting and I think just yeah, I don't know Something.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I'm also like navigating, but I feel like I'm getting better at like.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: For me, my biggest lesson has always been in relationships Like right now, as I'm like navigating, that sort of thing, like that's just coming up a lot of like how I'm noticing, I'm like witnessing, I'm watching myself choose different paths or like using my voice right, because it's.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I just like shared a reel and it was this woman was talking about that like how you can change like your, your worth and your confidence and things like that, just by actually speaking up when you want to, because when you don't speak up when you want to, you're also training yourself that you can't trust yourself and you can't, and like it literally brought me back to like most of my life.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like looking at every relationship, I wanted to say something and I didn't, right, and so it really reinforced the story that like I can't, I'm unworthy, I'm incapable, I'm all these things.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: And so, even like yesterday, I was like really mad and it was going to be passive, aggressive, but instead, like I chose to be like hey, I'm like, it's not like I blew up or anything like that, but just articulating I was really irritated with you today and like even just leaving at that I was like whoa, I never would have done that before, right, because I was just so afraid of like then, what are they going to think about me?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: is going to change how they perceive me is going to change how they feel about me, but it's like, no, we're all allowed to like get mad, it's just part of life you know and like, but having the awareness of like that belief that I had around that situation came from a past story of being unworthy or rejected or abandoned or anything like that.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: So I don't know that's a tangent, but when I love that you I feel like it is totally tied back into these eclipses and your, your nodal axis of that kind of Aries North node component of it, just truly putting yourself first and being able to express that and being expressive about it.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't have to be in this like totally bullish, angry, like way.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: It can just be direct and clear and concise and like this is just what I need and you know where I'm at today and it isn't your job on how like the other person receives that.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and after I expressed that, the person was just like all right, like what else do you have to say?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Like, let's give it to me or whatever, and I was like no, that's it.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Like that's it, I actually feel better.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: As long as you know, as long as you know I was mad, we're good.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: But and that's the other thing like sometimes that it can be truly like as easy as that, right, why did I need to make that even a thing?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Like a big deal, like I could have just said it right.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly so.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: This is like another tangent and we'll get back on track.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: But, like I in my past relationships especially the ones that were like manipulative or abusive or anything like that Like if I ever expressed myself it was always via text message because that felt so much safer.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I can tell you what I'm thinking.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: You're not at home, you can't blow up on me in my face, like things like that.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Your facial reactions or anything else around that.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you might text me a word that I know has an underlying meaning to it, but you're not here, I don't have to deal with it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: And so, even like yesterday that's what part of my thought was like, okay, maybe I should just text and let them know, right?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: But then I was like I don't do that because that's a past pattern that I'm trying to break away from, right?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: So for me it was the double thing of like actually saying it and actually saying it to your face and not just via text.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, that was just a win for me.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: But it seems so small, right, but it really is like, for me it was it is a huge deal and, like you said, it builds that trust back within yourself too.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And that, I think again, is a huge theme with this whole month and as we move into 2024 is rebuilding that trust within yourself.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: And it isn't these big things, it's the little, every single day things, literally just saying what's on your heart right, following through on little self care practices and actually doing what you say you're going to do so that your body and your cells, like, feel like they can trust you and taking care of it.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what it is right, like doing it, knowing you're safe, then you can take bigger steps and bigger steps, and bigger steps.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I think I think, like so many times we'll like see somebody who takes like radical big steps and although that's like possible, but I think there's a lot of work underneath that to get to that point, especially when you're coming from trauma or anything like that.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: But kind of like veering back.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: You had mentioned like selfishness with Aries and the.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: So the lunar eclipse is happening in Taurus on the 28th.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I know I'm skipping a couple, I know Mercury goes, I'm skipping a couple, so we'll go back to it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: But you just mentioned selfishness and that moon is going to be in Gate 27, which is the gate of responsibility.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: It comes out of the sacred.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I have this I actually don't even know where I have it and I know it's somewhere prominent but this one, the shadow, is selfishness and so, like for me, I know, like my entire life, like with this, like I've always felt very selfish and I don't know if that comes from.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I have it unconsciously.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Where is it?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's in my unconscious North Node, that's why.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: But like it's that shadow of selfishness, right, but then.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: But it's like the and the like, little saying is like I give to receive Right, and it's that energy of like I'm giving for a reason, and then the gift there's altruism, is giving without any expectation, and so like the whole channel together and then you have the channel, you have the gate of responsibility and, like you know, all that combined.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: But I think that's a really important lesson too.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Even just like in the, the nodal story right Of like, because Aries is the shadow, is selfishness, you know, and so being like understand and I think, like sometimes, even if we're giving to receive, I still think on some level it opens your heart because you're still giving Right.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: You may have the expectation of receiving.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: You may, you may want to receive, you may not, you may not actually receive, but I think like even receiving the energy of expanding yourself in giving can also be a thing.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, that's just my take on that.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I think there's it's both right.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: I have the intention is I'm only giving this to you so that I can have right, like then it's a little bit more negative Right.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: But if it's like an energy exchange, like I think about again, like a reading, like I'm giving you a reading and I want to get paid, right, like that's, that's I think you're expecting that right, because that's kind of also like the contract or whatever, right, but it's also not selfish Right.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: It's still this like selflessness of like I'm giving my time and my energy and my knowledge and my space or whatever.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: So I think it can be both.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: But you it speaks to like kind of the overall conversation we've been having to around, like money and worth and energy, because it is that give and take Right.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Like you, by giving, you do create that space to open up, to receive and that's true for Eclipses and Pluto energy, because we have to like literally let go of things in order to create space for that new.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think too, like, when you're using example of like sessions and things like that, like we are, you know, giving and receiving money and exchange, but I think, like the underlying theme there is, like I, you like, you truly want to provide value to this person's life through the actual information, right, and so I think that's the difference is like, yes, there is an energetic exchange there, but I think the intent is actually to provide value over the receiving of money, right, you know?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: And so I think like selfishness here comes from just like only wanting money, right, like we're only wanting the thing and you're just like you're.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: You're giving as an obligation to receive that thing.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, the way I was trying to describe it is that and I was thinking about it actually from the perspective of like bribing kids.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: Like people will write like, oh, you can have ice cream If you clean your room or whatever.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Right, it's like that.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's that same kind of thought process, psychologically almost I don't know how to name it, but does that make sense?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's like that I will only give you this if you give me that like that's the selfishness part where you know you are only giving to receive.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then on the flip side, I feel like that energy is where some kids are conditioned to perform for love.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Right, because it's like I'm only worthy if I'm showing up in this way for you, for the exchange of the thing or whatever.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: But all right, and then.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: So then we just have the 22nd, mercury goes into Scorpio and the 23rd the sun goes into Scorpio.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: So if we want to touch on that quickly, I'm I know you don't want to keep going, but yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it moves into Scorpio season which is always a big shift from Libra season, but because you know Libra generally is the more like social and fun energy where Scorpio gets into, like I don't know that Halloween energy, right, it's like the underworld, the darkness, the depths, but also what you said.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: It's a little challenging for you.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I Scorpio is my 12th house, so it's always a weird time frame for me always, but I in general love Scorpio energy because it does have a really in tune intuition.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: You can be really intuitive, you can observe your emotions, you can kind of get to the bottom of things.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: You can.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: It's like the detective right, the psychologist and the other thing.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Though with Scorpio right, it's like these, there's there's secrets and there's taboo subjects and so everything.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: With Scorpio both mercury and the sun entering Scorpio you can just, you know, kind of expect more themes around around, taboo underworld type stuff.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I have my Jupiter in the house too, so I'm always like I love to go there.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: But I have my Scorpio is in my fourth house, so that may be why like relationships and like divorces and home life and things like are always coming up.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I also have Scorpio.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: I have Pluto there as well.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which you have, pluto and Scorpio too.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: It's a generational thing.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people listening this probably do because we probably have a lot of people around our age.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're doing.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: But we'll definitely next month we'll definitely get into all the Scorpionic things, because I do love it and it's just like it's and I feel like ever since I've been aware of astrology and like noticing, like actually reflecting and seeing my patterns throughout my life, it's sort of helped me navigate the season a little bit better, because I don't think like last year well, last year was what I decided to quit drinking, because I was just like I can't be like in this crazy, like chaotic space anymore, like I have to like switch something up.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: So that was sort of like a shift, but I like went into like complete hermit mode.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: The first one is like this kind of all or nothing energy right, it really is.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Like it's, it's that, like it in, like relational dynamics with Scorpio.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: It's like all in like, give me your deepest, darkest secrets, be super intimate, or I'm going to cut ties.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm going to lash out and cut ties and it's done.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: That's it's just, it's an all or nothing energy.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was sort of the catalyst for me.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Quitting drinking was like a situation where I was just like I can't do it anymore.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: You won't let me in.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: We're done, it's over.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to quit drinking so I can, like, control my emotions.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it turned into one of the most beautiful years of my life, so it was all.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: I love something.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah that you, I know you have to go, but Scorpio it, there is like this control aspect to it too right, and so it can be like and I I'm sure you've talked about this at different times but like kind of you know, letting go of alcohol, but then like what else, what are you, what are you, what are you using to like control?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: something right and, like you, always like replace something with something else and I'm sure you've had different awareness of different things over the last year.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: But Scorpio season can be about that control and especially with it being in your fourth house, I can definitely see that being like a challenging thing.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah well, we will definitely get into it next month.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah well, thank you so much, and yeah, this will be all Thursday so everybody can let us know what you think.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: And happy October.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Happy October, okay, bye.