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  It has been brought to the attention of many of of the
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  fandom and and I think maybe to Jared himself in the moment,
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  maybe even that Star Citizen may be considering fast travel as a
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  mechanic in the game. Here.
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  Oh man, do we? I am I'm.
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  Playing line up everybody. No, I was going to say I am a I
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  am a fan of what I like to call touching the third, the third
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  rail of Star Citizen whenever you want to, when you want to
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  like really rile people up, you want to touch that third rail.
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  One of those third rails. I always I always like to touch
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  is NPC crew sucks. And I'm I'm tired of prevent
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  pretending it doesn't because that just that gets unreasonable
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  angry comments in your in your in your anywhere.
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  So this is. Exactly.
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  Say that with your with your whole chest and see how many
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  people get mad at you with the comments.
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  I have a slightly nuanced take to this in the sense that I
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  think fast travel is bad, but I think you can still accomplish
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  the same thing without losing the sense of scale in the star
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  season universe. And we already have an example
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  of that, which was the the public transit systems of Wow.
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  I remember there was, I can't remember the name of it
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  specifically, but where you could get on like Griffin and it
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  would like take you to different locations, but you'd have to
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  like literally fly on those those Griffins.
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  Skyrim had something similar where like with the with the.
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  Dragon. Well Skyrim.
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  You could fast travel from your map at any time.
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  You could, but you could also take the the like the wagon,
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  like you go pay, pay some money and take the wagon and it would
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  take you. Originally that was supposed to
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  be a 1 to 1. You get into the wagon and it
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  would just walk you through the entire thing.
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  So you would have to like stay in the wagon.
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  As it moved, they found it was a little bit too slow.
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  So I could see something like that, You know, even if the
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  early implementation is just like, hey, you got a timer 510
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  minutes you'll be you'll be to the location, but you don't have
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  to worry about it. You can just go use the
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  bathroom. You can go, you know, grab
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  something to eat. You just have a timer counting
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  down until you arrive at the location, which works just like
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  a teleportation, but it adds the whole, well, now you have to
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  sacrifice some time, maybe some money to to get to that
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  location. You're still there.
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  You can still link up, but you can't just go instantly snap
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  your fingers and be like, oh, I'm across the universe.
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  It's like, Nah, you got to have some time waiting while also
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  allowing for people to ease your link up and, you know, not be
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  able to take your ships with you.
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  Especially as the game gets bigger and they start doing what
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  they're already done with, like ships where you have to pay
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  money to get them back. I can see that starting to
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  something like that could work. But I, I'm not a big fan of the
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  whole just show up in the hangar kind of thing because that seems
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  like it ruins a lot of the point of travel because, you know,
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  that's time and energy and the risk of doing so.
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  So, so you're saying this is like, this is like something
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  where you you can go to a Kelto, you select your respawn point
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  and then they humanely put your clone down and then you wake up
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  somewhere else? More, more, more like you show
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  up at like you you go to like the, the like the the hanger
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  section and there's like a a kiosk.
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  It's like get Bojor Genesis Starliner today and you just
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  click the hanger and and it'll just for early on you just fade
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  to black. But otherwise you could just let
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  go onto a onto a Genesis Starliner and just sit there
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  while the thing flies. Even if it's like in a an
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  instant zone. You don't or you don't even see
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  anything. You're just sitting there.
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  Kind of like in the in Wow when you want to take the Griffin or
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  the the flying creatures to the different locations, you can
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  actually look down and see the whole map as.
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  You're flying, Murphy. Jack, how do you feel about
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  instant travel? Oh fuck it, monetize it $5 a
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  piece, get our second billion. Fuck off man, get out.
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  Of here. I like it.
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  That's the best take I've heard so far.
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  Yeah. That is, that is amazing hyper
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  capitalist go. I mean, they can't.
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  Wait, of course they. Just solve everyone's fears
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  about how CID is going to monetize the game, right?
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  Everyone's like, oh, they're going to charge your
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  subscription fee, or oh, they're going to make it pay to win.
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  Nope, it's just pay to travel folks.
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  I ironically, that's not that's my biggest problem is just it's
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  there's no punishment to it. If there's no punishment,
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  there's nothing you have to give up in order to do it.
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  Then it feels weird. But like, yeah, pay $5 to move.
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  Yeah, I'm OK with that. You want to move fast?
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  You're going to be paying paying the server fees.
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  I mean, not as serious, no, I and I know he's going to pipe up
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  too, because I, I, I really feel that it's not a good idea.
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  It's just, it's just stupid. It's it's and I and I really
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  feel like that the dev when they were talking and everything,
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  this was kind of just like a he, you know, it wasn't really
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  didn't get the whole thing out maybe or it was just.
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  AI mean he did, he basically said.
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  Like it's just one of those things where they they have to
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  talk about these ideas. Right, that was.
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  Yeah, I mean. That's.
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  Like they have to look at everything, talk about it.
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  On stream, yeah. Well, officially.
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  I mean, look how many things they've said before, right?
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  Any. Press I, I really feel like
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  it's, it's not going to happen, I mean.
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  This is. It died right there.
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  I can I can see the point, though.
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  I mean, how it's it's tough for some people to get I, I'm, I'm
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  one of those people, right? I, I've got too many kids.
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  I didn't pay attention in sex ass back in the day, So I, I
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  don't have as much time to play as I'd like.
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  Like even tonight it took a bribe for me to be here for this
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  outing. The space stat argument.
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  Right. So it maybe I've got an hour,
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  maybe 2 hours to play like two or three times a week.
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  And it, it's good. I mean, it's a space SIM, right?
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  So like that travel time is part of it.
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  And we, I do enjoy that. And most people who are into
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  this game obviously enjoy that. But then it's tough, like, you
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  know, you, you joined your org and it's like, Hey guys, what
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  are we doing? And they're like, oh, well,
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  we're all in Stanton at micro tech, you know, doing this.
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  And I'm like, cool, well, I'm at Levski, you know, so I'll be
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  there as soon as I can. And then obviously you're gonna
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  get in the strip. You're gonna fight your way
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  through. And I know what wickets gonna
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  say about this. So hold on Wicket.
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  You're gonna fight your way through, you know, 3 or 4
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  different bugs just to get out of your hangar.
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  And then you got to fight with the bug to get your, the
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  navigation to work. And then you're gonna jump.
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  And then hopefully the, the, the jump point actually functions
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  properly and you come out and stand and then you get over
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  there. And once that's all done, it's
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  been at least like 30-40 minutes of all that stuff.
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  And now you're, and now you're there.
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  And then you die and you forgot to set your spawn.
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  You're back at Lenski. And, and many times the reaction
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  to that is, well, I guess I got to go to bed.
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  So it, it, it is punishing. And I think that's what the,
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  what the devil was saying too, is that, you know, they're, they
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  have to have these, these conversations because they're
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  trying to, and I know it's a dirty word.
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  They're trying to make the game more accessible, but that it's a
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  very delicate balance. I mean, I, there are definitely
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  games that have been destroyed by becoming more accessible.
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  I, I was always, I, I've, I love home world.
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  If anyone's played that series before, like I, I love playing
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  those games when I was younger. Homo three finally came out
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  recently, which was like, yes, it's, it's been so long.
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  It's so exciting. And all throughout the
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  development process, they kept mentioning we're going to make
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  it more accessible and, and they did, which meant it was garbage.
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  And you know, it didn't do all the things that the original
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  did. And then it, it, it failed, it
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  collapsed. And I think they could do that
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  here too. I saw a quote recently, I forget
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  where it was, but talking about the insta travel, someone said
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  once you have insta travel, the universe just becomes a lobby,
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  right, Yeah, and it and I, I feel that, but I also feel the
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  pain of of not being able to easily join your org for certain
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  things. So I don't I don't know what the
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  answer is there. Maybe the answer is suck it up
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  and then I'm fine with that too, honestly.
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  But there's, they've got to have the conversation.
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  We've got to talk about it as a community and, and see what we
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  can come up with. And maybe it is just, you know,
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  you go to the clinic voluntarily euthanize yourself, you know,
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  and you can be transported to the other clinic, but you don't
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  have, you don't have your stuff. You can't claim your ship over
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  there. I, I don't know, you know, there
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  can be downsides to that as well.
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  I like the idea of using public transit, but also that's
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  supposed to be another game loop, right?
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  Like, I don't want to take that out.
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  Like we're trying so hard to create this systemic open world
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  with, with all of this emergent gameplay.
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  And then we keep shooting it in the back of the head while it's
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  holding a little Bunny. You know, it's like, oh, we're
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  gonna have, we're gonna have fuelling in the game finally,
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  cause lips, he's coming in and you're, you're going to be
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  running out of fuel constantly. And then it was like, actually,
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  we're going to increase the fuel, you know, the fuel reserve
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  of each ship by like 4, you know, four times.
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  And we're going to cut the system in half.
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  And now we're going to sprinkle space stations all over the
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  place. So really, you know, don't worry
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  about it. So yeah, just that's, we just
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  got to talk about it. That's all I'm saying.
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  I, I, I agree. One thing I'll just say real
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  quickly is that I think but a lot of stuff you, you pointed
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  out is more of ACIG fixture stupid game.
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  And CIG you have, you have the buttons.
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  Please, please push the buttons. Like is there a game?
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  Is there a mission out there that CIG has made that is less
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  than 20 minutes? That is one thing like I wanted
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  to touch on is that the the fast travel thing and everything and
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  everybody being upset, like Duke's saying dying and stuff.
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  If we didn't run into as many bugs as we did trying to get
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  somewhere, right, The jumpgate to just just take the jumpgate
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  for one example, right? Being spit out back and standing
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  at three times if we didn't run into all these.
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  Bugs, would it be? Not my fault?
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  Not my fault, by the way, it's the game.
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  Would the. Travel.
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  Would be that bad really if it worked consistently.
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  And then maybe like the Genesis Starliner, the Kraken, the all
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  these big ships that the focus is transport.
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  Give them a wicked quantum drive that makes them go four times as
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  fast as an XL1 or whatever, right?
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  Make it make it quick. So.
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  I don't know, game breaking. The the, the point is, is that
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  there are solutions other than go jumping straight to, you
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  know, instant transmission that I think CIG is jumping over.
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  So it it feels like Scopeland CI GS finding a a solution.
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  That doesn't exist. You know what way to rehash the
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  past? There, Astro Yeah, I've not let
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  it go. It still burns in my.
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  Heart, like you said, Murphy, if you a big part of the delay in,
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  in that whole story is the bugs, right.
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  So if the, if they do allow a fast travel and that fast travel
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  was literally it was, oh, you're, you're getting in a star
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  liner and it's going to take you there.
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  I think that could work. Give it even the exact same
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  amount of time, right as like let's say the fastest drive in
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  the game, just give it that. But it's a, it's not
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  physicalized. There's so there's no travel
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  bugs opportunities along the way.
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  So someone could just, you know, click that, you know, pay a fee
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  for it, leave, go go use the potty and get something to eat
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  and come back and then be ready to play with their org.
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  You know, something like that might work if like, you know,
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  like we said, if it's really just all those bugs, then it
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  doesn't need to be instant. It just needs to be hassle free.
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  Yeah, and fast. I do have a a a bit of an
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  opposing viewpoint on this. Yeah, Brock, the Rabblord, Nubis
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  and then Wicked will finish it. So it's, you know, a lot of like
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  carpool citizen, it's a lot of catching up trying to get to
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  people. I saw a morphologist had
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  something where it's like treat the treat bed logging like Med
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  beds. How they should Med beds are
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  going to work where there's like multiple Med beds 'cause you
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  know, everyone wants the team bed logging back.
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  But to effectively do that, excuse me, everyone has to bed
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  log at the same time and everyone has to log back on at
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  the same time. And like if the owner of the
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  ship is like, oh, actually I have something else I got to do,
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  It's like, OK, well shit do do we just not play tonight?
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  Like do we wait for him? Do we like what do we do?
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  Like we all prepared to like do this big fun adventure all on
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  the same ship because we all grew bed logged.
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  Now are we all just going to respond back at our home
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  location? So I think having an easy way
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  for everyone to spawn onto a ship together kind of just like
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  gets the gets the ball rolling it.
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  It cuts out that like 20 minutes of like, oh, hey, I'm at the
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  space station, I'm here, I'm there.
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  Like I got to claim a ship. And I understand like preparing
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  is part of it, but it feels like everyone needing to drive to get
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  to the event instead of just waking up at the event doesn't
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  feel like that drastic of a you see how it's.
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  Easily exploited though, right? Like.
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  Explain it to me. Well if I can, if you're my
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  party leader and I can log on to you and be insta travelled
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  somewhere else, I can just pay someone money to let to have
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  them let me and their party when they're somewhere else and you
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  affect. No, no, that's not I'm not
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  saying I'm not saying party leader.
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  I'm saying you get onto like I get onto a Kraken and I pick one
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  of the beds and I say, OK, this is one of my spawn locations.
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  Like one of three, one of five, one of However, I log out and
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  then next time I'm on, when the captain of that of that Kraken
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  is on, I'm like, hey, man, what's going on?
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  Like what are you up to? Nothing.
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  I'm just like hanging out and like Levski, think I might get
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  up to something later. You want to join me?
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  It's like, yeah, sure, I'll be there in a SEC.
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  You pop on and then you're just, you're a screw like beds.
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  Beds are going to have to do something.
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  Yeah, the. Gamify on the bed a.
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  Little bit yeah. And it's it feels like it's not
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  like I don't, I don't know, I don't, I don't give a shit.
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  Like sometimes like you just want to like get in there and
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  like play. And I don't want to be chasing
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  the, the, the team or the org to try to get kind of like what
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  Duke was saying, like you got to spend 10 minutes here.
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  And I'm not going to like factor bugs into it, but like spend 10
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  minutes here, spend 10 minutes there, like trying to catch up
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  with everybody. Then you got to ditch your ship.
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  And now that like when tier one insurance is in, like, do I
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  like, where do I ditch it? Am I going to be able to get
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  back to that station later? Like it's just, it's just like a
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  lot of a lot of like clumsy logistics that I feel like we
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  don't necessarily need. Lord Nubis, what do you feel
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  about this? Yeah, it's got to be a mechanic
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  that is an instant and it's got to cost something either by
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  autopilot like the like the space way mode concept, or by
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  killing your clone. But I, I think if it's too easy,
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  you're not going to see the grandeur that is, you know,
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  travelling across the verse and that that's going to, it's going
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  to miss something. Yeah, I like traveling across
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  the verse wicket. Last word here on Insta travel.
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  Great idea or fantastic idea? Well, let me preface this I'm
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  I'm going to read something that I wrote in in our Guild disc
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  Guild slash org for those purists org discord.
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  When we were talking about this, this topic back and forth, there
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  were several people, you know, giving their feedback about,
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  about this. And this is what I had to say.
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  So I wrote and I just want to read it basically verbatim for
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  Save It for Prosper, for the court, Yeah, for the court of
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  public opinion later on when they proved me correct.
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  So I wrote no instant travel ever, please.
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  Lots of arguments or justifications for fast travel
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  or arguments about time. That's valid.
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  But consider your metric. This is all gauged against the
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  current game, including all the jank and bugs.
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  Elevator eats your ship? Time waste.
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  Elevator eats you time waste. Unable to quantum to fill in the
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  blank. Can't find my team?
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  Party markers are not working. I can go on but think everyone
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  gets the idea. Everyone knows this.
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  You all play the game. Now consider we live in a game
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  world that these issues are solved.
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  We no longer need fast travel. I go on to say I've been playing
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  Mmos for a very long time. All the quality of life slash
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  fast travel are world killers, community killers, vibe killers.
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  If you make the world irrelevant, you no longer need
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  it. In fact, if fast travel is
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  implemented in any form, it will be abused once in the game.
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  It's here forever and everyone will want more of it.
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  There will be arguments for less cool down on fast travel.
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  More ways to use fast travel. Example I need to fast travel my
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  ship and gear to X. The argument will be it's QOL
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  quality of life. I don't have time to play.
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  Please make it easier to play. This is a very stupid argument.
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  If you don't have time to play, I.
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  Feel personally. If you don't have time to if you
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  if you don't have time to play, you don't have time to play.
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  Simple play when? You have.
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  Time. I've said it in the in in an
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  earlier post, but planning and logistics in this game will
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  become a major strength for the guilds that can pull it off
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  successfully. The distance in SC is a feature
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  and should not be spoiled by our current bugs and problems.
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  With SC in its current state and looking for workarounds, I say
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  fix the problems and the workarounds like fast travel
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  become irrelevant. Thank you.
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  Yeah, you know what I liked about that way?
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  Game defense. Rests.
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  Defense rests I I like that Bravo E called a feature.
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  I think that I think distance. Is a feature.
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  I think you're right. Think about it, part of the
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  game. Listen, this way people wouldn't
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  have been fighting to the nail to get to take away fast travel
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  in Starfield, and Bethesda wouldn't have spent all that
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  time and effort to actually add in travel between between
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  planets if they didn't think it was an important feature that
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  people want in space games. If we don't need, If we don't
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  need the space that our game inhabits, If we don't need to
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  get out of the bed and take the elevator to the hangar.
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  If we don't need the hangar and ATC.
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  If we don't need the warp Dr. slash quantum drive to from X to
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  to Y, from A to B. If we don't need all that, then.
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  Why don't we just have loading screens?
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  We can just pop into our ship, you know, pop out of our ship
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  when we need to. Why have they spent all this
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  time and effort to animate, to create these spaces, these
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  environments and all this tech to make it, to enable it, just
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  to fast travel away from it? I think it would.
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  I think fast travel in any form will be the death knell for Star
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  Citizen in one way or another. It may happen gradually, or it
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  may happen very quickly. I hope to God they don't ever
• 20:52
  implement it. Go fuck yourself, Duke.
• 20:55
  I I, I didn't say I wanted it. I was just having the
• 20:57
  conversation. I personally don't want it.
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  Listen, Duke, we heard you. It's.
• 21:01
  Recording, I mean, I I don't, I want it.
• 21:04
  I don't like I want it too. I'm.
• 21:05
  Certain, we know we we pegged you broccoli, Rob.
• 21:11
  He was casual. We pegged.
• 21:16
  You we all pegged you. I pegged you.
• 21:18
  Anubis pegged you Wicked pegged you.
• 21:20
  Astro Puppy. He's.
• 21:21
  New boy. Give him time.
• 21:24
  Listen, listen, listen. As long as it's consensual, it's
• 21:27
  OK. But you know, you got to ask.
• 21:29
  Ask Broccoli first if he if if he wants to get pegged.
• 21:33
  Yeah, you know, I'll get in here.
• 21:34
  What's up? With Comms radio, we're having
• 21:37
  fun here, baby. We're having fun here tonight.
• 21:40
  No 111 more thing I will say about this like if you want, if
• 21:44
  you want unattended travel, you know if they want to bring the
• 21:49
  the the Galaxy space liner in or they want to have some kind of
• 21:53
  travel system as long as it happens in game in game time.
• 21:58
  Yeah, that makes. Sense that's fine, you know, and
• 22:02
  if something happened like, you know, there's a lot of Mmos that
• 22:04
  have travel mechanisms. World of Warcraft have the
• 22:07
  Griffins. I mean they have other animals
• 22:09
  that fly, they have the boats, they have the undersea tram that
• 22:14
  goes from Iron Forge to Stormwind.
• 22:17
  You know, Arc Agent, it's day, it had the Stagecoach, but that
• 22:22
  all happened in real time in the game.
• 22:23
  Well, if I log out, I can take the taxi cab to a station and it
• 22:30
  can travel me as I log out and so I won't get killed or
• 22:34
  anything. But when I log back in then I
• 22:35
  can be at my other place. I think that's cool.
• 22:38
  Yeah, but it would. But if you log in right away,
• 22:40
  you'd log in on the taxi. Yeah, 100%.
• 22:43
  Yeah. So you think you should be able
• 22:44
  to do it and log out? There's ways so you would say.
• 22:47
  There's. Ways to initiate travel that
• 22:50
  isn't instant and that doesn't break the reason to have the
• 22:53
  space Listen, if we're already we want we we barely have three
• 22:58
  systems right now and they're talking fast travel they want to
• 23:03
  release 5 systems and. 100. The, the, the, the big pie in
• 23:07
  the sky dream is 100. You know, if, if, if, if you're
• 23:12
  going to fast travel from system one to system 100.
• 23:16
  You know, whatever that mechanism is, it's a for me, the
• 23:21
  game is over. I want slow travel.
• 23:23
  That's not I want to live on my ship.
• 23:25
  I signed up for. Yeah, well, I think I.
• 23:29
  Think I made my here's an edge case that like I've been
• 23:33
  thinking about that. I, I, I don't know, like
• 23:35
  there's, there's certain cases where I like, I feel like it's
• 23:37
  needed say I wake up on an Idris, right?
• 23:42
  And I don't have the permissions to go I, I'm alone.
• 23:46
  The owner of the Idris is in Europe for the week.
• 23:51
  I'm I wake up on it and I don't have permission to go to the
• 23:54
  pilot's seat. Like I'm locked out of pretty
• 23:56
  much everything. Do I just not play the game for
• 23:59
  a week? Do I?
• 24:01
  In that. Case like punch the door open
• 24:03
  like there's there's got to be. I don't think that.
• 24:06
  There's got to be. That's a problem that needs to
• 24:09
  be solved. OK, those are mechanics that can
• 24:11
  easily be solved by the developers, but for right now
• 24:15
  that's already a a solved issue. Back before meshing and when we
• 24:18
  had ships where you can bed log off of if you didn't bed log, if
• 24:23
  you bed logged on somebody's ship back when it used to work
• 24:26
  and that ship was no longer in the universe because guys off to
• 24:29
  Europe and his and his Idris has not spawned in, you're just
• 24:32
  going to spawn back either at your home location or at your
• 24:34
  port of your last port of call. That's easily fixed.
• 24:38
  But that's teleporting. That is teleporting, but that's,
• 24:44
  that's, I mean, what, what at at some point you have to be able
• 24:47
  to, to, to continue to allow to play.
• 24:50
  Now, if you, if you want to have absolute, if you, if, if you
• 24:53
  absolutely want to not have that because that that's an edge
• 24:56
  case, like you said. And I think in an edge case like
• 24:59
  that, there should be some mechanic to solve it, unless you
• 25:04
  think that maybe you you spawn in and you spawn in space where
• 25:08
  that last, that interest was last at and now it's up for you
• 25:11
  to call for rescue. I could see that happening.
• 25:14
  But I mean, at some point, you know, it's it is a game, it's
• 25:17
  not real. But then where?
• 25:20
  Do you? Which is, I mean, but that's,
• 25:22
  that's why I think like there should be 4 spawn locations that
• 25:25
  you can use. Like, you know, I log on and
• 25:30
  someone's like actually I don't really want to do this.
• 25:32
  I got to log off and you're stuck out there and because like
• 25:36
  that's it. Like you're just like, OK,
• 25:38
  that's it. I have to.
• 25:39
  I have to. Tell it's a simple.
• 25:41
  Home location now. I think it's a simple solve.
• 25:43
  You either they either force spawn you back at your home
• 25:46
  location, or they force spawn you at your last port of call.
• 25:50
  Now do you call? That I guess you.
• 25:51
  Could, but I call it spawning. I mean it is after all a game
• 25:55
  and you actually have to start from.
• 25:57
  Somewhere real quick. Real quick.
• 25:58
  Yeah, 100% agree. But say I don't know and the
• 26:03
  captain's like delayed an hour, like there's there's going to be
• 26:05
  like situations where you are locked out of the game because
• 26:09
  of that and like Idris persists, like it doesn't go away.
• 26:13
  It spawns in with you and you say, hey, on my Mobi glass, I'm
• 26:17
  actually all done here taking back to Orson.
• 26:22
  It just feels like, I don't know, like you're kind of you
• 26:26
  bed logged for a reason and now it's gone.
• 26:28
  And like the whole thing with like group bed logging is that
• 26:31
  everyone has to bed log at the same time and they all have to
• 26:33
  jump back in at the same time. It just feels like an
• 26:37
  unnecessary limiting factor to in to gameplay.
• 26:45
  That is, I think that's that's a problem that's, that's not, this
• 26:50
  is a good idea. It's a good thing, but it's not
• 26:53
  the problem they're trying to solve because the problem
• 26:54
  they're trying to solve right now is grouping up and, and I
• 26:58
  feel like that's a good idea, but it's one of those things
• 27:00
  where it'll eventually have to happen down the road.
• 27:03
  But. Yeah, gripping up is always the
• 27:07
  biggest barrier of entry to this game.
• 27:08
  Well, the first the the the first part they have to fix is
• 27:11
  being able to bed log on on on on someone else's ship.
• 27:16
  The first thing you have to fix is social tools that work.
• 27:21
  I mean, we're also think we're also going to think about things
• 27:22
  like persistence, being able to log back in where you last were,
• 27:26
  you know, those, those are all things that like, and This is
• 27:28
  why, like I said, it's this is a problem, this is a, a non, this
• 27:32
  is a solution looking for a problem.
• 27:34
  Like there's so many other things that are broken.
• 27:36
  Like get those done 1st and then maybe talk about the
• 27:39
  teleportation. They need to fix the flight
• 27:41
  model first. Yeah.
• 27:47
  Well. Every time he humbles that.
• 27:49
  Today's any metric. They need to learn how to
• 27:51
  release a patch first.