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Patriots Draft Countdown: Scouting College Offensive Lineman, Latest News, and Trade Scenarios · Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 1: Just over two weeks to go till the NFL Draft,
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Speaker 1: and today we're talking about the offensive line.
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Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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Speaker 3: We're the thirty thirty Big, the New England Patriots.
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Speaker 1: as they said, just over two weeks away to finally
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Speaker 1: get into we got mock drafts. I think we're all
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Speaker 1: getting a little bit of draft fatigue, a little bit
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Speaker 1: of latest news though, to discuss Marty Mapu gets traded
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Speaker 1: to Houston Paul. Why do they choose to make moves
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Speaker 1: like this a random two weeks before the draft.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question.
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Speaker 5: I don't have a good answer for you, but I
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Speaker 5: will say just to you know, specifically with that position.
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Speaker 5: Obviously they were not happy with the depth because these
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Speaker 5: guys are not making a tremendous amount of money, so
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Speaker 5: there's not a lot of cash savings involved. But Jolani Tavai,
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Speaker 5: Jack Gibbons now Marty Marpou and they only really signed
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Speaker 5: kJ Britt as a replacement, So I would expect as.
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Speaker 4: We move into you know two, you said it's two week.
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Speaker 5: Out, I would expect off ball linebacker at some point
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Speaker 5: in the draft.
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Speaker 4: You need some depth guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk to me. I will give me some off
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Speaker 2: the ball line day.
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Speaker 6: Look. Well, I would say that it depends on what
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Speaker 6: you're trying to do. Are you trying to get somebody
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Speaker 6: that compliments Robert Splaine or are you trying to get
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Speaker 6: somebody that replaces Roberts playing because I think a lot
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Speaker 6: of the guys that they moved on from or depth
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Speaker 6: players or you know, backups. But if you're drafting somebody
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Speaker 6: with the top one hundred pick, that's not what you're
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Speaker 6: projecting that player to be.
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Speaker 3: So I think that's question number one.
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Speaker 6: You know, I know that there's a lot of guys
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Speaker 6: at the top of the draft that people probably get
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Speaker 6: excited about. Anthony Hill Junior, CJ Allen Rodriguez.
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Speaker 3: Of course, I think that's.
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Speaker 6: A little bit high for what they are looking for.
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Speaker 6: I think this is a pipeline pick, like we keep
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Speaker 6: talking about it at several different positions, where you're probably
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Speaker 6: drafting somebody with the idea maybe this year he's the
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Speaker 6: third guy behind Ellison spline that develops into hopefully a
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Speaker 6: larger role. So looking at the board, you know, I
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Speaker 6: think that's what you start to get into third fourth round.
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Speaker 6: You know, Aiden Fisher, Bryce Boucher from Morgan, you know
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Speaker 6: those types of players. And then maybe you know, if
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Speaker 6: you're looking for more of those athletic week side guys,
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Speaker 6: you know, Kyle Lewis, Harold Perkins, you know.
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Speaker 3: Somebody like that. So depends on which way you want
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Speaker 3: to go.
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Speaker 6: I'll throw one more name that I just think is
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Speaker 6: a verabel type of player, and that's Jake Goldie from Cincinnati,
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Speaker 6: who just plays angry, plays with his hair on fire,
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Speaker 6: plays downhill full tilt. That's an effort and finish, you know,
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Speaker 6: the dude. The words they always use their effort and
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Speaker 6: finish and violence. And that's a guy that plays violently
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Speaker 6: and could probably use some seasoning, you know, in terms
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Speaker 6: of play, processing and development, that sort of thing. So
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Speaker 6: having a year behind Robert Splaine to sort of learn
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Speaker 6: the ropes wouldn't be terrible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe kJ Brick can play some snaps too. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you've he's done that a little bit. As some depth batist.
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Speaker 1: I want to check in with you because we talk
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Speaker 1: on PU all the time. Where are you at with
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Speaker 1: this draft?
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Speaker 2: Who do you like? What's going on? If thirty first? Overall?
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Speaker 3: For you?
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Speaker 7: I like Zonjong the edge rusher, but there's only like
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Speaker 7: I trade up for Sadik. I don't think that's going
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Speaker 7: to happen. But it's just I think that I just
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Speaker 7: look back at other drafts, and I think the Patriots
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Speaker 7: got lucky that we picked early when we did. Like,
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Speaker 7: there's no really there's some top talent guys, but you
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Speaker 7: really can't go wrong at thirty one. So I'm thinking
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Speaker 7: trade backers Ie Young, but be safe.
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Speaker 2: It's tough.
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Speaker 1: It's tough to figure out at thirty one. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we've been lamenting it all week. So guys, we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk offensive line today. That's what the show's about.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we can set the table up a little bit here, Paul,
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Speaker 1: because we have talked about it on the shows. Morgan
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Speaker 1: moses long term need. Perhaps Michael, when you entering in
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Speaker 1: the last year of his deal, how do you see
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Speaker 1: that this need here?
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Speaker 5: So I think it's kind of what Evan's talking about.
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Speaker 5: Are you specifically looking for someone to start right away
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Speaker 5: in case you know, something happens to one of your tackles,
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Speaker 5: or you're looking for depth. So that's where thirty one
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Speaker 5: comes into play. If you're looking for a guy who
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Speaker 5: can potentially be a starter, I think you're going to
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Speaker 5: need to take him there because if you want to
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Speaker 5: wait till day two or day three, probably you're looking
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Speaker 5: at at a career back up. Now, I'm not telling
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Speaker 5: there are no exceptions at tackle. You can get starters
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Speaker 5: on the interior. So you, Michael, when you situation, Mike,
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Speaker 5: I think you could get someone you know, they have
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Speaker 5: all those you know, a couple of fourth round picks,
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Speaker 5: four sixth round picks. Take a flyer or a two
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Speaker 5: on offensive lineman, see if you can develop some depth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, case for thirty one, tackle a thirty one.
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Speaker 6: I don't want to go too long because I think
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Speaker 6: I went two hours on the offensive line radio this show,
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Speaker 6: so we did. Alrighty gonna be a long run. But yeah,
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Speaker 6: I think that Paul nailed it. Like there's a gap
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Speaker 6: of talent in a class like this where you know
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Speaker 6: ianach or Blake Miller, Caleb Blamu. If you want to
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Speaker 6: put him in there are those ends of the first
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Speaker 6: round kind of guys.
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Speaker 3: Then if after those guys.
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Speaker 6: In terms of tackles, pure tackles, I don't know if
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Speaker 6: there's going to be another one drafted until the third round,
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Speaker 6: so you're probably gonna have about, I don't know, a
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Speaker 6: fifty pick gap between tackles, and then I think once
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Speaker 6: you get into that next wave in the end of
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Speaker 6: the third round, you know, Crown over Bowery Bell, you know,
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Speaker 6: all those guys are going to start off the board
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Speaker 6: in a short period of time. So to me, it's
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Speaker 6: either you're going early or you know, you're you're throwing
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Speaker 6: multiple darts, like you know, give me like two or
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Speaker 6: three of these guys on Day three and hopefully someone
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Speaker 6: develops out of that group. You know, going back to
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Speaker 6: Mike on win Who's draft, That's that's what they did
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Speaker 6: that year, and they drafted multiple Day three linemen and
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Speaker 6: they ended up hitting on one of them.
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Speaker 3: So maybe that's the way they go this time too.
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Speaker 1: All right, well let's jump into it. Tackles, guards, not
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Speaker 1: so much centers.
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Speaker 2: We got it all covered.
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Speaker 1: Check it out, all right, it long last, it's time
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Speaker 1: to talk about the offensive line, or, as Evan Lessar
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Speaker 1: calls it, the most important position in the draft.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct Evan.
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Speaker 6: I believe it is, and I think it was the
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Speaker 6: Patriots for everyone, for everyone. Mike Rabel said it the
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Speaker 6: other day at the league meetings. The league has a
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Speaker 6: dearth of offensive line talent right now. And I would
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Speaker 6: say it's not just the talent itself, it's also developing
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Speaker 6: that talent once it gets to the NFL level. And
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Speaker 6: we're at a point in time where I don't even
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Speaker 6: know if there's five starting caliber players on some teams,
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Speaker 6: let alone teams that have valuable backups to those players.
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Speaker 6: So I think this is a league wide issue that
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Speaker 6: however we do it, I don't know. Mike Rabel would
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Speaker 6: probably have a better plan than me, but you have
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Speaker 6: to find a way to not only identify talent better
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Speaker 6: on the offensive line, but I think more specifically develop
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Speaker 6: talent better on the offensive line. Because it's it's a
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Speaker 6: problem and we want to protect these quarterbacks.
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Speaker 3: They're the lifeblood of the league. They are the most
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Speaker 3: valuable players in the league.
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Speaker 6: And when for the Patriots case, you want to protect
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Speaker 6: Drake May for hopefully the next fifteen to twenty years
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Speaker 6: of his Patriot career, and it's just a problem that
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Speaker 6: there's just not enough good guys to do it.
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Speaker 8: Well, let's talk a little bit about where the Patriots.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about all the battle right now. Where they
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Speaker 1: stand right now. Of course, you know, traded Garrett Bradberry.
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Speaker 1: Looks like they're going to switch Jared Wilson or to
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Speaker 1: center as he was probably drafted to do. Signed Elijah
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Speaker 1: Verretz or Paul who you know has had some injuries,
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Speaker 1: but if he's healthy, he's ready to go. It could
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Speaker 1: be a really good player for them. Everybody's saying, well,
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Speaker 1: Cambell's going to stay at left tackle. But I think
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Speaker 1: the two issues for me that I kind of look
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Speaker 1: at are Michael Won you maybe entering the last year
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Speaker 1: of his deal, depending on what they're going to do.
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Speaker 1: And then Morgan Moses just with his age. They got
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Speaker 1: all the games out of him last year. They took
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Speaker 1: steps to manage him. But as you look at this
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Speaker 1: position group, PAULI, how do you how do you see
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Speaker 1: it kind of stacking up as far as need.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for the Patriots, I think that the improvements have
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Speaker 5: been made. I don't think this tackle group doesn't overly impress.
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Speaker 5: Maybe that's just me, so, like you know, I think
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Speaker 5: everybody can look at things and come away with different impressions.
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Speaker 5: I agree with the way you unfolded the.
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Speaker 4: Whole thing, Mike.
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Speaker 5: I think that there's some lack of depth, and it's
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Speaker 5: going to be sooner than later because you know, Morgan
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Speaker 5: Moses going to be thirty five years old, so he's
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Speaker 5: not going to play forever. You need someone in the
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Speaker 5: pipeline at tackle, you know, if it's a swing tackle whatever.
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Speaker 5: You know, they signed James Hudson, you know, you know,
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Speaker 5: a potential veteran swing tackle, but certainly no sure thing.
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Speaker 5: So they could be in, you know, in the market
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Speaker 5: here early on in the draft to get a tackle.
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Speaker 5: But as you guys have been telling me for a
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Speaker 5: couple of weeks now, if you don't get a tackle
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Speaker 5: in the first round, there's probably not a great candidate
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Speaker 5: in Day two or certainly beyond at tackle specifically.
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Speaker 4: So it's a tough needle to thread.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have seen some mock drafts where you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's a you know, guy like Blake Miller coming
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Speaker 1: to the Patriots there thirty first overall, and I think
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Speaker 1: we can kind of make that argument.
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Speaker 8: I don't know if it's exactly the move that we would.
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Speaker 2: All want to make.
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Speaker 3: Chris.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's first just kind of mention these guys
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Speaker 1: up at the top that they're probably not, you know,
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Speaker 1: going to have a chance at of course, you know,
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Speaker 1: Mauno a huge player. I mean, and that's kind of
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Speaker 1: I feel like a theme. There's like a lot of
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Speaker 1: big dudes. Big it makes you wonder, like are they
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Speaker 1: athletic enough, can they develop their feet?
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Speaker 2: That kind of thing.
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Speaker 8: But I see that as a little bit of a
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Speaker 8: theme to this class.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely, I think just the classes. I'm amnas he's
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Speaker 9: one of those guys, especially at that tackle position, who
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Speaker 9: is just he's your raw talent guy, Like he's just
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Speaker 9: gonna carry in a lot of categories there of what
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Speaker 9: somebody would want. I mean, he's projected top ten pick
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Speaker 9: in the draft potentially, and you know, someone's gonna get
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Speaker 9: real lucky with him because I think he's the best
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Speaker 9: all around off its alignment in this draft.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of experienced guys to him, and
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Speaker 1: he's a three year starter of yep.
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Speaker 2: You know it's you know, they got.
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Speaker 1: The two Utah guys, he got those his bookends and
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Speaker 1: Monroe Freeling from Georgia another one. Yeah, you know, I
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Speaker 1: mean I saw somebody's ranking, say he had him as
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Speaker 1: the number one overall tackle in this class.
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Speaker 8: Just you know, for you, how do you see those
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Speaker 8: guys all kind of stacking up?
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Speaker 6: So, you know, I think with Monroe feeling, what's interesting
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Speaker 6: to me with him is that this is really a
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Speaker 6: guy that has skyrocketed since the fall season to now.
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Speaker 6: This is a player that didn't have a lot of
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Speaker 6: starting experience before the fall starts for Georgia last year.
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Speaker 6: Is printed out of a three deep printer to play
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Speaker 6: left tackle in the NFL. Like all the measureables, all
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Speaker 6: the athleticism, all the length, all those different types of things,
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Speaker 6: But I still think that you're betting a little bit
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Speaker 6: on upside with the player like that. The guy that
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Speaker 6: he reminds me the most of is Colton Miller, but
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Speaker 6: Colton Miller was more of like a back end of
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Speaker 6: the first round kind of guy. I think what we're
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Speaker 6: seeing though, is that these tackles and this is another
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Speaker 6: theme that I think we should bring up with the
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Speaker 6: tackle specifically, there's a tackle tax in the NFL because
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Speaker 6: there isn't great depth to tackle most years, guys go
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Speaker 6: maybe I would say half around to even sometimes a
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Speaker 6: full round higher than where their talent level might suggest
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Speaker 6: they should go, because teams are so desperate for any
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Speaker 6: sort of semblance of talent at that position, and you know,
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Speaker 6: starting caliber talent.
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Speaker 3: So I would probably say.
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Speaker 6: That Monroe Feeling is maybe getting to get overdrafted theoretically,
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Speaker 6: but his ceiling is immense, his runway is high because
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Speaker 6: he's younger. So like, this is a guy that in
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Speaker 6: three or four years could be a top tackle. I
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Speaker 6: just don't know if he is that right now.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would agree a lot of the points I
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Speaker 5: haven't just made just these guys, and you know, you
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Speaker 5: mentioned all the names. A lot of these guys are
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Speaker 5: projected to go in the first round. And there is
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Speaker 5: one thing, Mike that you mentioned that I think is
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Speaker 5: a common denominator, and that is starting experience, and Freeling
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Speaker 5: is the one outlier. He only has one year of
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Speaker 5: starting experience, so maybe you kind of look at that
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Speaker 5: as a plus for him, like this, you know, this
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Speaker 5: is still room to grow.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was gonna say, I really don't think the
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Speaker 9: experience matters too much, Like you mentioned the room to grow, Like,
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Speaker 9: I think you have a younger guy in Freeling, and
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Speaker 9: you have an opportunity to really develop him at the
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Speaker 9: alarm position as you're able to saying like you need.
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Speaker 3: To develop these guys in a better way.
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Speaker 9: I feel like that's what a lot of teams that
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Speaker 9: you get better at and trying to find a place
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Speaker 9: to do that as important.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mentioned Blake Maryler earlier.
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Speaker 1: I mean he had fifty four career starts, you know,
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Speaker 1: six to seven, has all the size, I mean, just
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Speaker 1: you know, an iron man at that.
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Speaker 2: Right tackle spot.
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Speaker 1: He is a I would say common, but you've seen
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Speaker 1: him pop up at three first overall, I mean it's
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Speaker 1: specific to him. What do you think of him? How
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Speaker 1: would he fit in you know as that you know,
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Speaker 1: is he a year one starter or is he a
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Speaker 1: guy that maybe they could even though he is experienced
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Speaker 1: and seems.
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Speaker 2: Pretty close to ready made, could.
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Speaker 1: He does that make sense to have him, you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe behind Morganmoses.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that he is probably the most polished
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Speaker 6: player that we're going to talk about in the first round.
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Speaker 6: You know, Iana Chore, you know low move from Utah.
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Speaker 6: Those guys are more raw like upside type of prospects.
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Speaker 6: Blake Miller is already made pro prospect. Now, the one
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Speaker 6: thing I would say that he could improve on his
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Speaker 6: play strength and mass on his frame.
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Speaker 3: He's not a people mover in the run game.
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Speaker 6: And if you have him on one side and you
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Speaker 6: have Will Campbell on the other, I think Will Campbell's
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Speaker 6: going to get bigger and stronger. I think that was
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Speaker 6: a part of his game at LSU that didn't necessarily
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Speaker 6: translate right away to the league because of his age.
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Speaker 6: But still, at the same time, it's not exactly like
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Speaker 6: you have two very athletic cackles, but you wouldn't necessarily
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Speaker 6: have two high level people moving tackles. So do they
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Speaker 6: want that sort of of juxtaposition there where one of
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Speaker 6: their size is at least a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Stouter and a little bit firmer.
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Speaker 6: Blake Miller is one of those guys that has all
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Speaker 6: the tools in the world and does.
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Speaker 3: It at a very high level.
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Speaker 6: In pass protection, he has great range, He blocks with
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Speaker 6: great past or great balance.
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Speaker 3: In his past sets, he unlocks his length. Jesus, his
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Speaker 3: you know length.
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Speaker 6: They would keep rushers at his fingertips. Can you know
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Speaker 6: meet the high side rushers, the bendy guys off the
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Speaker 6: edge with speed? He is a very good pass protector.
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Speaker 6: He's just not a bulldozer and does that matter to me?
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Speaker 6: Not as much, but to others it might. You know,
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Speaker 6: is he going to get walked back into the quarterback
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Speaker 6: by bull rushers? Is he going to be able to
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Speaker 6: move people? You know, those are the types of questions
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Speaker 6: that you have with him. Maybe if you put him down,
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Speaker 6: you know, on the bench for a year and you
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Speaker 6: allow him to get into squad.
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Speaker 4: The old Paul.
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Speaker 3: His headless chicken.
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Speaker 6: Sinless chicken, yes, skinless chicken, like, maybe that is what's
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Speaker 6: best for him, right is to hit the weight room
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Speaker 6: for a year, learn under more Moses. I would think
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Speaker 6: Morgan Moses might give him an opportunity to start a
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Speaker 6: couple of games if he gets dinged up here or
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Speaker 6: there over the course of the season, so you get
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Speaker 6: his feet wet. Six offensive line package maybe another way
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Speaker 6: to get.
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Speaker 3: His feet wet.
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Speaker 6: So I like a lot of things about Blake Miller.
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Speaker 6: He's probably my favorite guy out of the group. We're
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Speaker 6: going to talk about you just real QUI.
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Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned Ianachuur, which we're working on the
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Speaker 1: pronunciation we on aur.
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Speaker 2: We think we got it.
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Speaker 1: It's rolling off our tongue now. But he's another guy,
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Speaker 1: Paul that and Chris that we you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: seen some connections to the Patriots, seen him and some
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Speaker 1: mock drafts slipping into the first round. We saw Mike
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Speaker 1: Rabel down there at Arizona State tangling.
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Speaker 2: With him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And he's the other end of the spectrum though he's inexperienced.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't been playing football very long. He's
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Speaker 1: more of a soccer kid growing up. I mean, he
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Speaker 1: didn't come to the US till later in life. So
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Speaker 1: he's another guy.
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Speaker 3: Paul.
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Speaker 2: Did you like him? Was he one of the ones
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Speaker 2: that euro Okay?
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Speaker 3: I did.
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Speaker 5: I did kind of like him, but mostly because of
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Speaker 5: the profile and you know, you know, Evan kind of
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Speaker 5: put him on my radar a little bit with the
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Speaker 5: story of you know, I think he's only played five
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Speaker 5: years of football, so I do look at the athletic skill.
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Speaker 5: He's a little bit bigger than something. You know, I'm
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Speaker 5: just looking. You know, Fano, Lo, Miller and Freeling are
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Speaker 5: all three eleven, three thirteenth. You know, he's like a
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Speaker 5: good three twenty one. He's a little bit bigger, a
15:07
Speaker 5: little bit more girth, and I think that kind of
15:09
Speaker 5: helps because I think what we're talking about worried about
15:12
Speaker 5: getting you know, walked back into the quarterback and holding
15:15
Speaker 5: up and you know, having the athleticism to protect the
15:19
Speaker 5: edge while also having the bulk to you know, prevent
15:22
Speaker 5: against the bowl rushers.
15:23
Speaker 4: I do think that when Evan talks about max no
15:30
Speaker 4: no max.
15:32
Speaker 5: It there is some room to grow there because he
15:34
Speaker 5: is a little bit new to the game.
15:35
Speaker 4: So I'm intrigued by that.
15:37
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean I'm looking to take him at thirty one,
15:40
Speaker 5: you know, like I this That's why I said it's
15:42
Speaker 5: a tough needle to threat to balance.
15:44
Speaker 4: But I just feel like.
15:45
Speaker 9: There's a lot of upside with him though, like you mentioned,
15:47
Speaker 9: with the multiple multiple sports. He uses his agility really well.
15:51
Speaker 9: And again the bigger body again is a positive. Like
15:55
Speaker 9: somebody who can move as quickly as he can at
15:59
Speaker 9: that size and is only to help out in the
16:01
Speaker 9: run game and get down get downfield. You know, these
16:03
Speaker 9: are things that I think the Patriots were lacking a
16:05
Speaker 9: little bit last year of just somebody or people that
16:09
Speaker 9: can help get to the second level and help burst
16:11
Speaker 9: out these runs and good athlete, those are all important.
16:16
Speaker 6: He is a highly impressive player to me because he
16:20
Speaker 6: really doesn't know what he's doing yet. Yeah, and he's
16:23
Speaker 6: still able to block people at a pretty high level.
16:26
Speaker 6: His tap against Texas Tech, where they have David Bailey
16:28
Speaker 6: and Romelo Height, two guys that are going to be
16:30
Speaker 6: playing Sundays. You know, Bailey is going to probably be
16:32
Speaker 6: a top five, top ten pick in the draft. He
16:34
Speaker 6: had two hurries the entire game against those two guys strong,
16:38
Speaker 6: so he held up really well against the two of them.
16:41
Speaker 6: He has great core strength to great ability to anchor.
16:44
Speaker 6: It's just a lot of the little details. You know,
16:47
Speaker 6: his footwork is a little bit choppy and erratic at times.
16:51
Speaker 6: His hand placements a little bit erratic at times. You know,
16:53
Speaker 6: he comes in with wider hands, kind of SAPs his
16:55
Speaker 6: power that way. He'll step underneath himself and shorten his
16:58
Speaker 6: corner that way.
16:59
Speaker 3: With his all these types of things, Doug.
17:01
Speaker 6: Maron is going to stick his teeth into him and
17:03
Speaker 6: within half a season, Dougie's gonna.
17:05
Speaker 3: Have him all ready to go. So like, I'm not
17:07
Speaker 3: worried about any of that.
17:08
Speaker 6: I think again, sort of like what we were talking about
17:11
Speaker 6: with Monroe, feeling in two to three years, there's a
17:14
Speaker 6: really good chance that Ianichory is going to be the
17:17
Speaker 6: best tackle out of the group that we're talking about
17:19
Speaker 6: at the back of the first round. You just have
17:21
Speaker 6: to have some patience with him as a guy that's
17:23
Speaker 6: new to football. So if you're looking to draft the
17:25
Speaker 6: player that has the most immediate you know, set it
17:29
Speaker 6: and forget it, plug and play, whatever you want to
17:31
Speaker 6: call it at tackle, that's Blake Miller.
17:33
Speaker 3: Blake Miller is the plug and play player.
17:35
Speaker 6: He's the guy that could get drafted at thirty one
17:38
Speaker 6: in April and be starting for the Patriots week one
17:40
Speaker 6: in September if need be. If you're looking for development,
17:44
Speaker 6: upside and down the road potential, that's Ianae or maybe
17:48
Speaker 6: Lama who might fall to the Patriots too as well.
17:52
Speaker 6: Both those guys have the higher upside or the higher ceiling.
17:55
Speaker 9: I just feel like there's a lot of positive with
17:57
Speaker 9: Morgan Moses also being there ahead of him, like all
18:00
Speaker 9: of this experience, especially as a larger tackle like somebody
18:03
Speaker 9: you can kind of carry that type of weight and ability.
18:07
Speaker 9: I think there's a lot of positive things there that we.
18:10
Speaker 1: Talk about all the time. It's how used to be
18:11
Speaker 1: you had guys ready to go. You're training guys now.
18:14
Speaker 2: Is it too rich?
18:15
Speaker 1: At thirty first overall to take that developmental kind of guy.
18:18
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little bit what they do when
18:19
Speaker 1: they sold her back in twenty eleven. Different teams, of course,
18:22
Speaker 1: but you know that that's the philosophy we're looking at.
18:25
Speaker 1: But let's keep moving down the list here, Paul, to
18:27
Speaker 1: anybody you know that that that stood out to you,
18:30
Speaker 1: these these are the guys that you didn't like the
18:32
Speaker 1: least there No, I mean, I.
18:34
Speaker 5: Just I just feel like there's I think there's question
18:36
Speaker 5: marks with all these guys. You know, first of all,
18:38
Speaker 5: most of them played on the right side, you know,
18:40
Speaker 5: so that to me is like, why, you know, were
18:43
Speaker 5: they not good enough to play the left side?
18:45
Speaker 4: But they're not athletic enough.
18:46
Speaker 5: Some of them I think have impressive athleticism, Like Max,
18:49
Speaker 5: I think he's a really good athlete.
18:51
Speaker 3: I love it.
18:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to go Max.
18:53
Speaker 2: I or something.
18:54
Speaker 9: Yeah, actually know Yeah, I think the biggest thing.
19:00
Speaker 6: On a tour with the tackles, Uh, there is a
19:03
Speaker 6: wide gap between the guys that we just talked about
19:06
Speaker 6: as the first round guys and then the guys that
19:08
Speaker 6: are gonna come And so this is a tackle draft
19:11
Speaker 6: that has no middle class there's no second round tackle.
19:15
Speaker 6: There's barely a third round tackle unless you really like
19:18
Speaker 6: Crown over Jude Bowery down the street at Boston College.
19:21
Speaker 6: Like those guys have a chance to sneak into the
19:23
Speaker 6: end of the third round. But there's really no middle
19:26
Speaker 6: class in this tackle class. So if you're gonna skip
19:29
Speaker 6: it early, then you're you're playing lottery tickets at the
19:32
Speaker 6: end of the draft on Day three, is what you're doing. Now,
19:35
Speaker 6: there's some worthy lottery tickets. Like, you know, I'm a
19:38
Speaker 6: Bowery guy. Uh, you know, he's probably fringe top one hundred.
19:42
Speaker 6: You know, there are a lot of people that are
19:43
Speaker 6: big fans of Mark hel Bell from Miami because he's
19:46
Speaker 6: just huge. He's Trent Brown, right, go ahead. I mean
19:51
Speaker 6: he's just giant, eighth inch arm. Yeah, we're not gonna
19:55
Speaker 6: have to worry.
19:55
Speaker 3: About that, Yeah, definitely not.
19:57
Speaker 9: I just think he's got to work in the run game.
20:00
Speaker 9: Obviously hard. Again, We've said it million times. When you're
20:03
Speaker 9: that big, it's really hard to get downfield and move
20:05
Speaker 9: your feet as fast as you can. But for somebody
20:09
Speaker 9: who's that large and can just use his length and
20:12
Speaker 9: shield off defenders and just create this beautiful pocket.
20:17
Speaker 3: I just have a vision for Drake May and just
20:19
Speaker 3: having this.
20:20
Speaker 9: Five second yeah, just the five second orshold to make
20:24
Speaker 9: a make a deep throw. And you know, that's what
20:28
Speaker 9: I really like about Mark Albell, especially if you try
20:30
Speaker 9: to go for somebody in that uh day three area,
20:34
Speaker 9: uh late day two or day three.
20:37
Speaker 3: But that's kind of my.
20:38
Speaker 8: Thought for Marco Bill.
20:39
Speaker 3: He's great.
20:39
Speaker 6: I think that, you know, in terms of where he's
20:41
Speaker 6: going to be drafted. I'm not trying to say he's
20:43
Speaker 6: Joe Thomas, but I think the thing that you worry
20:45
Speaker 6: about with guys like him is he's upright right, He's
20:48
Speaker 6: going to have high pads always naturally, he's going to
20:51
Speaker 6: have leveraging. He's going to be battling his pad level
20:54
Speaker 6: for his entire NFL career just the way that he
20:57
Speaker 6: is built. The other thing that you worry a little
20:59
Speaker 6: bit about, though, guys, and maybe this is just the
21:01
Speaker 6: Trent Brown of it all, endurance. You know, is he
21:04
Speaker 6: going to be able to play seventy seventy five snaps
21:06
Speaker 6: and move that body around for that amount of time,
21:09
Speaker 6: you know, late in fourth quarters and things like that
21:11
Speaker 6: when the game is on the line. But if you're
21:14
Speaker 6: just looking for balls of clay that have this immense
21:17
Speaker 6: physical talent like we're doing here on day three, which
21:20
Speaker 6: is upside you know, athleticism traits. That's what we're betting on.
21:24
Speaker 6: You know, it would be him Issa ah World. Unfortunately
21:27
Speaker 6: blew out his knee in the college football playoff, otherwise
21:30
Speaker 6: he would be in this category as well. I'm a
21:33
Speaker 6: big Diego Ponds fan from Old miss as well. I
21:35
Speaker 6: think that he can fit this bill too. And then
21:38
Speaker 6: we sort of get into some of the guys that
21:40
Speaker 6: I think would be really good swing tackles or guard
21:43
Speaker 6: tackle flexes down the line, which we can kind of
21:45
Speaker 6: blur the lines once we start talking about the interior guys.
21:48
Speaker 3: But I think Mark Elbell.
21:50
Speaker 6: Jude Bowery, crown Over, those are the guys that you're
21:54
Speaker 6: looking at ninety five one, twenty five one, thirty one area.
21:58
Speaker 1: Is that what makes the most sense, like day two,
22:01
Speaker 1: maybe day two, probably day three to try to get
22:03
Speaker 1: that developmental tackle. And can you believe that you're gonna
22:06
Speaker 1: draft the guy in day three like they did last
22:08
Speaker 1: year and he's going to develop into into a potential
22:10
Speaker 1: starter in day three? You just think generally speaking, yeah.
22:15
Speaker 5: No, I don't think you can go into a pick
22:18
Speaker 5: a guy in day three and think you're going to.
22:19
Speaker 4: Get a starter at tackle.
22:21
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, much of a priority.
22:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get guard.
22:25
Speaker 5: You can get guards and centers in day three and
22:27
Speaker 5: they can be tackles, I mean, not starters.
22:29
Speaker 4: But I don't think you.
22:29
Speaker 5: I don't think it's realistic too to take a guy
22:32
Speaker 5: in that late and at tackle. Evans right, there's a
22:35
Speaker 5: tackle tax and the good ones go early.
22:38
Speaker 3: That's why I would.
22:38
Speaker 6: Assume that guys like crown Over and Jude Bowery are
22:41
Speaker 6: probably going to go in the third even though they
22:43
Speaker 6: are probably fourth round talents. You know, the tax is
22:46
Speaker 6: probably going to push them up into the back end
22:48
Speaker 6: of the third round. You know. The only other guy
22:50
Speaker 6: that I would just mention as terms of traits is
22:53
Speaker 6: Travis Burg from Memphis, who's six eight three twenty. Watching
22:58
Speaker 6: him on film, this guy just absolutely puts people into
23:01
Speaker 6: the ground. I mean, this is like a consistent I
23:04
Speaker 6: counted against the tape that he played against Tulane. I
23:08
Speaker 6: counted like six or seven pancakes. And he just goes
23:10
Speaker 6: out there and he wants to hurt somebody, like he
23:14
Speaker 6: wants to put people on the ground.
23:15
Speaker 3: He wants to finish.
23:17
Speaker 6: You know, he's gonna have all those issues that we
23:19
Speaker 6: were talking about with Mark hel Bell. Is he going
23:21
Speaker 6: to be able to meet the high side speed guys.
23:24
Speaker 6: Is he going to get be able to get out
23:25
Speaker 6: underneath and get his hands on those guys? I think
23:28
Speaker 6: that you're going to have to live in a world
23:30
Speaker 6: with him where the back and the tight end are
23:32
Speaker 6: helping him out a lot. When he's facing some of
23:33
Speaker 6: these dynamic guys off the edge. That's not really starter
23:37
Speaker 6: caliber to me. But if you know, going in like
23:40
Speaker 6: we're gonna have to help this guy all the time,
23:41
Speaker 6: that to me is like more swing tackle backup now.
23:45
Speaker 6: I don't know right now looking at their depth chart
23:47
Speaker 6: if they have that, So I think what makes a
23:49
Speaker 6: lot of sense to me with a lot of these
23:51
Speaker 6: guys double dipping at this position, I think makes the
23:54
Speaker 6: most sense out of any position we talk about double
23:56
Speaker 6: dipping at because there is this dearth of tackle talent
24:01
Speaker 6: in the middle rounds and they don't really have great
24:04
Speaker 6: depth behind their starters right now. Even if you want
24:06
Speaker 6: to develop him into swing tackles like Marcus Bryant, maybe,
24:10
Speaker 6: But besides that, I think you can afford to put
24:13
Speaker 6: two rookies in that room and hopefully you get one starter.
24:16
Speaker 6: But even if you just get a swing tackle out
24:18
Speaker 6: of it, that's something you don't currently have on the roster.
24:20
Speaker 6: So if you're gonna wait till day three, let's at
24:23
Speaker 6: least throw some darts, right, Let's throw a couple of
24:26
Speaker 6: darts at it on day three instead of just one.
24:28
Speaker 1: Well, you know, don't don't totally rule out James Hudson.
24:30
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he did take four penalties in
24:32
Speaker 1: a row, but you did sign him. But let's move
24:35
Speaker 1: on to the guard position. And you know, as I
24:37
Speaker 1: pointed out, at the top, maybe not an immediate need.
24:39
Speaker 1: Especially Paul, you paid Elijah vera tucker. You're hoping he
24:42
Speaker 1: can stay healthy and be you know, the quality player
24:45
Speaker 1: you thought he was when.
24:46
Speaker 2: The Jets drafted him in the first round.
24:48
Speaker 1: But I do look at Michael one, you and I
24:49
Speaker 1: just you know, I went, it makes them a lot
24:51
Speaker 1: of money. And so I think this you just said
24:54
Speaker 1: we could probably look at day three. I know we're
24:55
Speaker 1: going to start up at the top. I like a
24:57
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, though, I think like there's a
24:59
Speaker 1: lot of Lowgan Mankins tough guys and there's a great
25:02
Speaker 1: mullet in there as well.
25:03
Speaker 4: Who's the guy you like?
25:05
Speaker 2: You know, I mean I'm gonna start with Kielan Russell Rutledge.
25:07
Speaker 1: I mean I just thought he was the most mankinsy
25:09
Speaker 1: of everybody, you know. I know he's probably not the top,
25:11
Speaker 1: but you know, with IONI and Basants and watch Pregnant
25:14
Speaker 1: too again, you know, with him and Isaiah World, I
25:17
Speaker 1: think there are some good options here. But to me, Ruttledge,
25:21
Speaker 1: I just ranked is the number one at most athletic
25:23
Speaker 1: guard at the combine. You know, good size link, but
25:25
Speaker 1: just you can tell him like that one of the
25:27
Speaker 1: explicians again that that he's a finisher.
25:29
Speaker 5: But I think if this for the Patriots, very similar
25:32
Speaker 5: at guard has tackled. You know, you're replacing Morgan Moses
25:35
Speaker 5: because of age and experience.
25:37
Speaker 4: You know.
25:37
Speaker 5: Obviously thirty five Owen, who might just be getting priced out,
25:42
Speaker 5: like he just got a big money extension.
25:45
Speaker 4: He's coming to the end of that.
25:46
Speaker 5: I think he'll be the right guard this year and
25:49
Speaker 5: then his contract will be up. Generally, you don't make
25:52
Speaker 5: less as you go on in your career, so will
25:55
Speaker 5: they be looking for someone in the pipeline.
25:58
Speaker 4: So again, day two, Day three.
26:01
Speaker 5: You know guards, you when you in day three, right,
26:04
Speaker 5: they're in the league all over the place like this
26:06
Speaker 5: is not like tackle. You have a lot of Day
26:08
Speaker 5: three guards that you know have very good careers. I
26:11
Speaker 5: do like your guy Rutledge. I thought there's some upside
26:15
Speaker 5: there with with Besontas, but he's probably a little bit
26:17
Speaker 5: higher on the I saw. I don't know where all
26:20
Speaker 5: these guys are slotted to go in the draft. You
26:22
Speaker 5: guys are a little bit more up to be with that,
26:24
Speaker 5: I thought there was some upside there. I think that
26:26
Speaker 5: guy looks like he can play a little bit, a
26:28
Speaker 5: little bit.
26:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
26:30
Speaker 3: I also like Jalen Farmer a lot. I can talk you.
26:32
Speaker 9: I thought he's he's a he's he's kind of a mauler.
26:36
Speaker 3: Wants some road graders.
26:37
Speaker 5: Yeah, two year starter too. Yeah, I mean I like
26:41
Speaker 5: some of the experience of these guys.
26:43
Speaker 4: A lot of experience.
26:43
Speaker 9: I think just the strength and his aggressiveness and when
26:47
Speaker 9: you're kind of being told like hey, like you're gonna
26:51
Speaker 9: make the play and then like taking breath.
26:54
Speaker 3: I think that's a great that's a great thing. So yeah,
26:56
Speaker 3: I really like Jayleen Farmer yeah.
26:58
Speaker 6: Him and Jeremiah right from and we're the two like
27:01
Speaker 6: kind of road graders that if you're just trying to
27:04
Speaker 6: replace mike on one Who with a Mike on one
27:06
Speaker 6: Who in a year from now, those two guys are
27:08
Speaker 6: just Mike on one Who, you know, like that they're
27:10
Speaker 6: both kind of in the same book. You know, I
27:13
Speaker 6: probably would say I like write a little bit better.
27:15
Speaker 6: Just think he's a little bit more polished in pass
27:17
Speaker 6: protection right now. But I like both of those players.
27:20
Speaker 6: I think what we get to when we get to
27:22
Speaker 6: guards is there's the guards and.
27:24
Speaker 3: Then there's the tackles that are going to be guards.
27:26
Speaker 6: So like now, this to me is a fantastic guard class,
27:31
Speaker 6: like one of the strong suits at the draft, because
27:33
Speaker 6: you're taking all the pure guard prospects like you know,
27:37
Speaker 6: Vega Oane like percentis and like pregnant, and then you're
27:43
Speaker 6: adding all the college tackles that are going to have
27:45
Speaker 6: to move inside. Zoom is probably gonna be like a
27:49
Speaker 6: fourth or fifth rounder that's going to move inside. Austin Barber,
27:52
Speaker 6: I don't know, he's right on the border of tackle
27:56
Speaker 6: or guard. Tiering in from Northwestern is gonna move inside
27:58
Speaker 6: Dunker's gonna move in. So now you cage Casey from
28:02
Speaker 6: Boise State, it's going to move inside. So you add
28:04
Speaker 6: all that that group into some of the better pure
28:07
Speaker 6: guard prospects I've seen in coming out in a couple
28:10
Speaker 6: of years. And now you have a huge group of
28:12
Speaker 6: guards that you can kind of pick from. So it's
28:14
Speaker 6: a fun group. It's one of the more exciting groups
28:16
Speaker 6: of the draft. Bysontis is awesome. Black guy is going
28:19
Speaker 6: to be a stud as a pro. Reminds me a
28:22
Speaker 6: lot of grays Abel coming out. The athleticism, the pass protection,
28:26
Speaker 6: the movement skill.
28:28
Speaker 3: You know, Ian is just a malark like that.
28:30
Speaker 6: You know, he finishes, But I think Bysontes might be
28:33
Speaker 6: a better pass protector right now than Vega is in
28:36
Speaker 6: Vegas a hell of a player, So to say that
28:39
Speaker 6: is pretty good. And then Pregnant, you know, not bad either.
28:41
Speaker 6: So those are the top guys. Uh, you know, tierning
28:44
Speaker 6: In and Dunker will come in after that as Day
28:46
Speaker 6: two players, and then we kind of get into the
28:48
Speaker 6: third and fourth round and then beyond where I think
28:51
Speaker 6: there's draftable talent like guys that to Paul's point, you
28:54
Speaker 6: can get guys like that on Day three that might
28:56
Speaker 6: be able to start down the line.
28:58
Speaker 3: This is one of those types of drafts that guard.
29:00
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:00
Speaker 1: DJ Campbell from Texas was one of those guys for me,
29:02
Speaker 1: so late guy, Yeah, I liked him, you know, had
29:04
Speaker 1: some good length. Not the biggest guy, but another one
29:07
Speaker 1: who I just saw some finish in that that I liked.
29:10
Speaker 1: And then Joshua bron too was another one. Just you know,
29:12
Speaker 1: it's amazing some of these guys just have such good size,
29:15
Speaker 1: you know, I mean this, I mean Broun's six, six
29:17
Speaker 1: thirty four and five eights. I mean, you know, to
29:19
Speaker 1: move those guys inside. I just I wonder what that
29:22
Speaker 1: looks like for an offense to have that. You know,
29:24
Speaker 1: it's just been a long time since you I mean,
29:25
Speaker 1: you went from like Cole Strange to you know, Jared
29:27
Speaker 1: Wilson isn't the biggest kind of a guy.
29:30
Speaker 2: But what do you guys think makes sense in this position?
29:32
Speaker 2: Is this?
29:32
Speaker 1: Is this a Hey, there's a guy that we love
29:36
Speaker 1: that we think could you know, I don't know if
29:37
Speaker 1: he's going to start this year, but yeah, it's the
29:39
Speaker 1: third round right now, and maybe this is a little
29:41
Speaker 1: rich for a spot that we're not taking.
29:43
Speaker 8: It, but we love this guy. Is it crazy to
29:45
Speaker 8: think they could tap this class.
29:47
Speaker 6: F that you said, I would say that that for me,
29:49
Speaker 6: it starts in the fourth round, because I think if
29:51
Speaker 6: you take a fourth round guy, you know, like one
29:54
Speaker 6: of the guys Chris and I were talking about, is
29:55
Speaker 6: probably going to be right in there. If you want
29:57
Speaker 6: somebody that has a little bit more passed upside, maybe
30:01
Speaker 6: it's like a cage Casey or Zoom, the guy that
30:03
Speaker 6: Paul mentioned.
30:04
Speaker 3: Those guys have.
30:05
Speaker 6: You know, we're college tackles that are going to move inside,
30:08
Speaker 6: so they might be a little bit better pass protectors.
30:10
Speaker 6: But if you draft the guy at one twenty five,
30:12
Speaker 6: one thirty one, then you make the argument that he
30:16
Speaker 6: backs up right this year, you know, kind of pushes
30:18
Speaker 6: Ben Brown in that role, and then next year maybe
30:22
Speaker 6: he takes over for Mike on Winhu. I think drafting
30:24
Speaker 6: anybody a little bit higher than that, there's probably other
30:27
Speaker 6: needs and not necessarily the best, you know, allocation of resources.
30:31
Speaker 6: But I do think we need to keep in mind
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Speaker 6: that Elijah Vera Tucker gets hurt. You know, he has
30:36
Speaker 6: an injury history. Do you trust Ben Brown to be
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Speaker 6: the guy if he goes down for a long period
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Speaker 6: of time? And if he does go down and Ben
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Speaker 6: Brown has to go into the starting lineup, then who's
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Speaker 6: backing up Ben Brown?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Nobody right now?
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, there's there's no depth, I mean, and
30:51
Speaker 1: that's you know, we're not getting the center just yet
30:53
Speaker 1: because Terry Wilson, second year Ben Brown, they resign him.
30:56
Speaker 1: He's got center experience as well. But you know, right now,
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Speaker 1: Ben Brown's really the only backup for those three spots
31:02
Speaker 1: everywhere you know.
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Speaker 2: You need, you need to find a guy.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm almost a little surprised they didn't add,
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Speaker 1: you know, a veteran other than Via Tucker, just to
31:09
Speaker 1: pad their depth a little bit, you know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just important.
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Speaker 9: You got to give Ben Brown a lot of credit
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Speaker 9: for what he's been able to do to kind of
31:16
Speaker 9: come and sort of be this shield for the Patriots,
31:19
Speaker 9: especially as.
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Speaker 2: As they jumped right in and like started that week
31:22
Speaker 2: last year, two.
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Speaker 9: Years or two years ago, like you just somebody you
31:25
Speaker 9: can rely on if you need help.
31:27
Speaker 3: But it's that long term ability that.
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Speaker 9: You mean, we haven't fully seen Ben Brown, especially at
31:32
Speaker 9: a different position other than center, where you played a
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Speaker 9: lot in twenty twenty four. So you know, you want
31:37
Speaker 9: to see the Patriots maybe start to think about that
31:39
Speaker 9: a little bit more as we've been talking about.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I talked to David Andrews, who sorry, I
31:43
Speaker 1: talked to David Andrews at the draft party and he
31:45
Speaker 1: just brought up Ben Brown out of nowhere, just saying,
31:47
Speaker 1: I really like the player thought he was, you know,
31:48
Speaker 1: just I know he's not you know, the man, but
31:51
Speaker 1: those are valuable guys and it's maybe a spot where
31:54
Speaker 1: they're a little light right now.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the one guy that I would say, like if
31:56
Speaker 6: they were going to go a little bit higher, like
31:58
Speaker 6: tearing in from Northwestern interest maybe because I think he's
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Speaker 6: probably a little bit too small to play tackle. He
32:04
Speaker 6: had thirty two in a quarter inch arms, so he's
32:06
Speaker 6: not he's below the threshold, but he's got tackle feet,
32:10
Speaker 6: he's got a tackle feel. Is he a type of
32:12
Speaker 6: guy that is going to play guard? But in a pinch,
32:15
Speaker 6: if you had injuries or something, you could kick him
32:18
Speaker 6: outside and he could.
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Speaker 3: Survive out at tackle.
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Speaker 6: So maybe he would give you some of that, Like
32:23
Speaker 6: he's a starting guard, but he's our backup right tackle
32:26
Speaker 6: and that flexibility might be enough. You know, Dunker I
32:29
Speaker 6: think needs to play guard. He's too clunky, his feet
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Speaker 6: are too slow.
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Speaker 4: Not good enough athletes play tackle.
32:34
Speaker 6: He's going to have to play guard. So at least
32:36
Speaker 6: tearing in even though he's a little bit shorter armed.
32:39
Speaker 6: You know, I think you could probably survive a game
32:41
Speaker 6: or two, or you know, a handful of games, kind
32:43
Speaker 6: of like how they kick on went outside every once
32:45
Speaker 6: in a while.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, is that worth the value to do that? Maybe?
32:49
Speaker 3: But he probably goes interesting lit.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I mean I kind of look when I go down here,
32:53
Speaker 5: and again, I don't study this stuff. It's not you know,
32:57
Speaker 5: it's not my forte. I look at schools, you know.
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Speaker 5: You know, when you brought up Dunker, I looked at
33:02
Speaker 5: him because he went to Iowa. It's a it's a
33:05
Speaker 5: program that you know that that produces NFL lineman Notre
33:09
Speaker 5: Dame kid Shrout is how you pronounced that one, Billy
33:12
Speaker 5: Billy Shrouth, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, a captain at Notre Dame.
33:15
Speaker 5: I don't know that these guys are athletic enough to
33:19
Speaker 5: make the transition, but I look at schools and programs,
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Speaker 5: you know, And that's why Evan's always on the BC
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Speaker 5: lineman because Boston College, you know, for all the afflaws.
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Speaker 5: They produce NFL lineman So I kind of look at
33:30
Speaker 5: guys like that and then I try to figure out
33:32
Speaker 5: if maybe there's a spot in day three that you know,
33:34
Speaker 5: you can pick a guy.
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Speaker 3: Like that up.
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Speaker 6: Do you want ten seconds on Logan Taylor because you
33:38
Speaker 6: brought up Boston College player?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he played four.
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Speaker 6: Out of five positions at Boston College, everything butt center
33:45
Speaker 6: during his career there, slack he yeah, right, and so
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Speaker 6: I think that he's going to be an interior player.
33:52
Speaker 3: We were at the draft party last Sunday.
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Speaker 6: I actually talked to coach Scarr about him because he's
33:57
Speaker 6: working with coach scarneki At along with Jude Bowery. The
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Speaker 6: two of them are working on with Scar in the
34:04
Speaker 6: pre draft process together, and he.
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Speaker 2: Really likes him.
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Speaker 6: He thought that he, you know, has a future probably inside,
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Speaker 6: but maybe even at tackle as a backup. And Scar
34:14
Speaker 6: was pretty high on him. And I usually take that
34:15
Speaker 6: guy's word for it when it comes to offensive linemans.
34:18
Speaker 6: So I think he's a little bit higher cut for guards,
34:20
Speaker 6: and you know, comes in a little bit high kind
34:22
Speaker 6: of blocks like a tackle, but plays like a guard
34:24
Speaker 6: in terms of his movement. So that's going to be
34:26
Speaker 6: a little bit of a tweeter, but he's one of
34:28
Speaker 6: those guys you know that sixth round, probably a fifth
34:32
Speaker 6: or sixth round that you could get that you're probably
34:35
Speaker 6: developing as a backup, you know, is a kind of
34:38
Speaker 6: like a Ben Brown super sub type of player. But
34:41
Speaker 6: those are extremely valuable, you know, in the league to
34:43
Speaker 6: have guys like that. So one other guard I just
34:45
Speaker 6: would throw out there because I know a lot of
34:47
Speaker 6: Patriots fans talk about him, is Michael Morris from Georgia,
34:50
Speaker 6: who is just another massive dude with a great athleticism profile,
34:55
Speaker 6: had a great combine.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 6: Those are the types of guys that when we start
34:59
Speaker 6: getting into the end into the draft, that you're just
35:01
Speaker 6: betting on traits, you know, and those are some of
35:03
Speaker 6: those trade based guys. Just quickly just circling back to Dunker.
35:08
Speaker 6: If they hadn't signed Elijah Vera Tucker, I would have
35:10
Speaker 6: been pounding the table for them to draft Jennings Dunker
35:13
Speaker 6: to play left guard. But now that they have Vera Tucker,
35:16
Speaker 6: probably not as pressing of a need to draft a
35:19
Speaker 6: guy on Day two as a backup to the interior.
35:22
Speaker 6: But even though we said that he can't play tackle.
35:24
Speaker 6: Don't like Jennings. Dunker is an awesome player. He's a
35:28
Speaker 6: really physical guy. He's going to set a tone in
35:30
Speaker 6: the run game, like having him and Will Campbell next
35:33
Speaker 6: to each other would have been a lot of fun.
35:34
Speaker 6: But he's going to go too high for you know
35:36
Speaker 6: what they need. They need backups and developmental guys, not
35:39
Speaker 6: plug and play starters.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, I think that's going to do it
35:42
Speaker 1: for this one. The offensive line breaking it down. You
35:44
Speaker 1: don't get centers, no center, no center, no do that
35:47
Speaker 1: on your own time? Can I mentioned one center? Real
35:49
Speaker 1: quick catch two cents really quickly.
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Speaker 6: Brian Parker from Duke played tackle at Duke. Some think
35:57
Speaker 6: he's going to be all move all the way inside this,
36:00
Speaker 6: but this is a guy that probably could play tackle,
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Speaker 6: guard or center. Probably not tackle, I'd probably rule that out,
36:06
Speaker 6: but at least garden center. So if you're looking for
36:08
Speaker 6: somebody that has some versatility and has some upside in
36:12
Speaker 6: the interior, he's just another name that I think was
36:14
Speaker 6: worth mentioning. It's funny like you always see these places
36:17
Speaker 6: and some people think he's a guard. I think he's
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Speaker 6: the center. Like he played tackle in the ACC at
36:23
Speaker 6: a high level. And we're moving him all the way
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Speaker 6: inside the center. It's pretty crazy, but he's one of
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Speaker 6: the centers that might have some like center guard flexibility.
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Speaker 3: There.
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Speaker 1: I'm done, all right, Well, that's going to do it
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Speaker 3: We're going to talk.
36:39
Speaker 1: About tight ends and running back will be a good one.
36:42
Speaker 1: I know Evan's really high on this running back class.
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Speaker 2: Great class, Just kidding. We'll see then,