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Georges St-Pierre _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _523(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Sitting down today to talk about dinosaurs and fears with
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  Speaker 1: one of the greatest mixed martial artists of our time,
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  Speaker 1: of any time. He won UFC belts in two different
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  Speaker 1: weight classes, and you can't even talk about the sport
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  Speaker 1: without mentioning him. I'm really honored to be in his
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  Speaker 1: presence today, and I mean that. Today's guest is Mr.
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  Speaker 1: George St. Pierre.
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  Speaker 2: Shout! I'll sit and tell you my story. Shine on me.
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  Speaker 2: And I will find a song. I've been singing.
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  Speaker 1: This is your country, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: And so what it's, um, yeah, because it's French Canadian. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Which one is the real one? Or which, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Like who's really the boss or whatever? Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's no really, I mean, who's the boss? I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if there's really a boss. Like if you had
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  Speaker 1: to pick one, do you get to pick one or
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  Speaker 1: every day it's the same?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You mean the boss? Talk about the leader. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Most people will tend to say, oh, it's the boss.
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  Speaker 2: you know, the political leader of Canada or the prime
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  Speaker 2: minister or the president. But I'm, I think, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you can call me conspirator, conspiracist thinking that, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he's the one that really control everything. I
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  Speaker 2: think there's people behind that I mean, that's what I believe.
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  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but that's what I think. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I think too. Yeah, I think that the president
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  Speaker 2: is the face. It's a face, it's the puppet. But
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  Speaker 2: like our prime minister is the face, but I think
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  Speaker 2: there's people behind that there's certain things that he cannot do.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I believe.
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  Speaker 1: Did you always believe that you think or that you
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  Speaker 1: think that's grown over the years kind of?
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  Speaker 2: It's a good question. I think it's grown over the years. Yeah, same.
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  Speaker 2: Especially because there's a lot of... Sometimes there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of conspiracy that turns out to be true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's so much stuff on the internet nowadays that
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  Speaker 2: you can... try to search every, any, anything, and they
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  Speaker 2: will give you something to read about a certain subject,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's completely preposterous. Yeah. So it's hard to, to,
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  Speaker 2: to know what is real and what is not, but
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  Speaker 2: maybe that's the reason why, because of that, it makes
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  Speaker 2: me realize that, Oh, what I'm seeing is maybe not
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  Speaker 2: really what it is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's fascinating because, yeah, say if like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of media was like kind of all controlled, right?
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  Speaker 1: Then of course they're going to not want you to
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  Speaker 1: know something. Yeah. And eventually people are going to kind
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  Speaker 1: of figure those things out. People figure things out.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's always about money and power.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: People that has money and power, what they want is
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  Speaker 2: they want more money and more power. I tend to
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  Speaker 2: believe that most of people are mostly in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: And like, if you look at politics, you have the
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  Speaker 2: extreme right, extreme left. But most people are, I think,
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  Speaker 2: mostly in the middle, you know, that they're not to
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  Speaker 2: one side or the other. And then the way it's
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  Speaker 2: portrayed is that you have to pick one side or
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  Speaker 2: the other side. And you're like, shit, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what to do. You know what I mean? Because I'm,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm stuck in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think stuck in the middle is probably the
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  Speaker 1: best spot, you know? And I think most people are
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  Speaker 1: probably pretty logical, you would think. But then maybe sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I start to wonder, do I give people too much credit?
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  Speaker 1: You know, like Or a lot of people just bat
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  Speaker 1: shit crazy, you know? And then I wonder sometimes, am
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  Speaker 1: I just bat shit crazy, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. We have to look at ourselves in
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  Speaker 2: the mirror sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, but I wonder sometimes, like, yeah, I'm amazed,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, that power and money drive so many people. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I get it being like an influence, you know? But
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a part of me... I guess I'm
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  Speaker 1: shocked that it has that much control. What do you think? Um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you, you're kind of one-on-one, uh, George, you've
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  Speaker 1: had such a, I mean, you got to almost have
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  Speaker 1: kind of a perfect career in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: I made tons of mistakes looking at it and I
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  Speaker 2: wish I could do better because I'm very critics, critics, critics,
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  Speaker 2: critics about myself, but, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm happy, uh,
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  Speaker 2: whatever I have accomplished. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And do you think, was it power, success driving you?
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  Speaker 1: What was kind of your driving force, do you feel like?
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, 100%. I never liked to fight.
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  Speaker 2: I love the sport. I love the science of it.
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  Speaker 2: I like the camaraderie that I have with my friend,
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  Speaker 2: you know, before like a training camp, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like you're going to war. I despise fight day. it's
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  Speaker 2: unbearable for me. I'm extremely uncomfortable. And not knowing if
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  Speaker 2: I will be hurt, humiliated, or winning the ultimate prize
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  Speaker 2: is unbearable for me. It's very hard to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the prize that you have to pay if
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  Speaker 2: you want to achieve freedom. Like for me, I first
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  Speaker 2: started doing it because I had a certain... natural talent,
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  Speaker 2: I would say. You know, if I would be born
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  Speaker 2: with an handicap, I would probably not be able to
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  Speaker 2: do what I did. So I was a gifted athlete.
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  Speaker 2: And I also worked really hard, but I also, I
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  Speaker 2: consider myself extremely lucky. The stars were all aligned because
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  Speaker 2: there was guys that I've met through my journey that
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  Speaker 2: were probably more talented than I was. Uh, there's guys
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  Speaker 2: that I met that probably worked harder than I, than
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  Speaker 2: I did. But I think what made the difference is
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  Speaker 2: the fact that I met the right people at the
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  Speaker 2: right time at the sometime life gave me certain opportunity
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  Speaker 2: that I did not shy away. I was always willing
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  Speaker 2: to get out of my comfort zone in order to improve,
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  Speaker 2: which is not the case from a lot of athletes
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  Speaker 2: and not only athletes, like entrepreneur humans, For a human,
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  Speaker 2: for all of us, it's hard to get out of
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  Speaker 2: our comfort zone, but sometimes it's necessary. It's a necessary
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  Speaker 2: evil in order to improve. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think like what you said, like, because
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  Speaker 1: you can control how much you, how hard you work.
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  Speaker 1: You can control. Those are a lot of control factors.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But that is, that's a risk when you get out
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  Speaker 1: there and you get on a fight day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Some of it's out of your control.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Did it feel like that? Is that what it felt like,
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  Speaker 1: kind of?
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's, it's always a question of risk and reward.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's calculated risk. I remember if I go
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  Speaker 2: back more than like almost 30 years ago, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: really speak English very well. I learned it at school,
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  Speaker 2: but I grew up in a French environment. So my
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  Speaker 2: English was really bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the first time I, I remember I was already
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  Speaker 2: a black belt in karate and I wanted to go
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  Speaker 2: to the Gracie Academy in New York because that's where
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  Speaker 2: the best jujitsu athlete were, were training at the time. So,
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  Speaker 2: I knew that I needed to go there in order
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  Speaker 2: to train with the best, to learn from the best.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm about, at that time, I'm about like 16,
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  Speaker 2: 17 years old. And I'm planning to go there with
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  Speaker 2: two of my friends, two of that are professional athletes
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  Speaker 2: at the time. And one of them, only one of
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  Speaker 2: them speak perfect English. Yeah, and it was not like
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  Speaker 2: it is today. There were not like ways. So we
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  Speaker 2: had to go on MapQuest. And it was a pain
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  Speaker 2: in the butt to find your way. So I'm driving.
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  Speaker 2: I got a shitty Ford Tempo with a hole in it.
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  Speaker 2: I remember where I used to put the brake pedal.
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  Speaker 2: So people used to make fun of me. It was
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  Speaker 2: like the Flintstone, you know? Yeah, I could almost put
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  Speaker 2: my foot on the floor, you know? So the plan
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  Speaker 2: was to go in New York, to go there, and
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  Speaker 2: we shared the hotel together. So we saved money, and
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  Speaker 2: we shared the gas and everything. But the day before
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  Speaker 2: the trip, one of them called me, and it's the
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  Speaker 2: one that speaks English. He's like, hey, George, I cannot
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  Speaker 2: make it. I'm like, are you kidding me? And I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking to the other one who's supposed to come with me.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, if he's not going, I'm not going either.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man. Well, you know what? I said... I
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  Speaker 2: said to myself, I F it. I'm going by myself
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  Speaker 2: and that's it. So I went there and I remember, man,
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  Speaker 2: I got my ass whooped by a guy who weighs
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  Speaker 2: maybe 30 pounds lighter than me. Wow. I got tapped
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  Speaker 2: out like in jiu-jitsu when you're stuck in an arm
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  Speaker 2: bar or a choke, you have to tap. Otherwise your
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  Speaker 2: arm break or you get choked out. So, and I
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  Speaker 2: remember at the time I was like, man, I was,
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  Speaker 2: I was getting mold. I was a black belt in karate.
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  Speaker 2: I was good, a good striker, but in grappling, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of knowledge and I knew I
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  Speaker 2: needed to learn it in order to become a mixed
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  Speaker 2: martial art fighter. But man, I got beat up so bad.
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  Speaker 2: And I, and I remember driving back. I was, I
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  Speaker 2: was that close to, to, to give up. And I
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  Speaker 2: told myself, I said, you know what? I need to
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  Speaker 2: go back out there and learn. And every time I
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  Speaker 2: was going back there, it was tough for me because guys,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them were trying to bully me. A
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  Speaker 2: few of them were very nice to me, but it
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  Speaker 2: was a constant grind. And I remember the two guys
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  Speaker 2: that were supposed to come with me, they asked me, hey,
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  Speaker 2: how was it? I'm like, man, I got mad. kicked
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  Speaker 2: so bad, man. They never came back with me. They
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  Speaker 2: were like, they wanted to stay in their comfort zone.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the difference. You know, if you want to succeed,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes it's a necessary evil. You're going to go through pain.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to, it might be humiliated. You're going to,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to fail, but then have to go through
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  Speaker 2: that man, in order to improve, you know, and that's,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I was ready to do. which is probably
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  Speaker 2: the case of other guys. So that the reason why
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  Speaker 2: I was successful was not because I think I was
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  Speaker 2: more gifted or, you know, I work harder. It's just
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  Speaker 2: because I was ready to do that sacrifice, you know? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think kind of made you in that
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  Speaker 1: space to take that sacrifice? Cause I guess it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's well, giving up is easy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think saying something is better saying something's
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  Speaker 1: too hard. It's kind of easy. You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: unless you're different, I think some people look at that
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  Speaker 1: as a challenge and some people look at it as
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  Speaker 1: just a reality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you want to be the best
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  Speaker 2: at something, I'm not talking being good. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 2: you want to be the best at something. And in
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  Speaker 2: every field, I think you need to be a little
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  Speaker 2: bit obsessed. I was never diagnosed. I never saw a
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  Speaker 2: psychologist for it, but I think I'm... I'm obsessive compulsive.
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  Speaker 1: And I think, did you notice it when you were young?
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  Speaker 1: Like what kind of things did you see that you
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  Speaker 1: would do? Well, one thing I would do, um, that
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  Speaker 1: is completely crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, uh, it's very stupid, but I, I used to
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  Speaker 2: do like when I, when I walk on the sidewalk,
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  Speaker 2: for example, I remember in New York going to train,
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  Speaker 2: I walk on a sidewalk. and there is line on
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  Speaker 2: the sidewalk. And I noticed that I step over one
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  Speaker 2: line with my right foot, but I have to step
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  Speaker 2: over with the left to make it an equal number.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes these things are so stupid, but it drive
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  Speaker 2: you nuts. When I drill techniques in jujitsu, I have
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  Speaker 2: to do this, or wrestling, or any combat sport, I
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  Speaker 2: have to do the same amount on each side. Even
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  Speaker 2: though in a fight, I will most likely do one side,
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  Speaker 2: my best side, but I have to do the other side.
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  Speaker 2: And I think these things, as crazy as it sounds,
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  Speaker 2: are probably some of the things that made me perform well,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Right, because you need things to be even. You need
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  Speaker 1: things to be calculated maybe. Or even the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you're even calculating things is kind of, it sounds crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds obsessive, but it also is kind of magnificent
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  Speaker 1: in a way because to be great at something, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to be someone who's calculating things even
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  Speaker 1: when you're not– even in your subconscious.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I think it's good for an athlete for performance,
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  Speaker 2: but you need to learn how to let go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You need to learn to punch, punch in and punch out.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes it's hard. I see in the news, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: some fighters, they can't do it. You know, they, they,
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  Speaker 2: they go crazy. They keep going. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like Tony Ferguson, he keeps going. Do you think it's
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  Speaker 1: a tough space that he's in? Like, Cause it's weird.
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  Speaker 1: People love watching him fight. Right. And it feels like
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  Speaker 1: he loves like giving himself to the people. He like
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  Speaker 1: it almost like he shows up just because he knows
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  Speaker 1: we're going to love him so much. Yeah. But you
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  Speaker 1: start to think that it's painful for him. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's had a tough run recently.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I, I love to, to, to see him fight. It's, uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's just unfortunate because the Tony Ferguson that you see
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  Speaker 2: nowadays is it's not the, the Tony Ferguson that he
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  Speaker 2: was when he was in his prime. And it depends
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  Speaker 2: what he's trying to accomplish. I prioritize my health first,
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  Speaker 2: and that's my priority. But some guys, they have a
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  Speaker 2: kick of it. They don't care. They prioritize having, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, some of them, they love to fight. For them,
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  Speaker 2: it's an adrenaline. They love it. I never liked it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I did it because I wanted to have
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  Speaker 2: the freedom, the life that I have. So I used
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  Speaker 2: that to propel myself where I wanted to be in life.
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  Speaker 2: But some guys, they just love to fight. And it's
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  Speaker 2: funny because when I was young, I was looking around
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  Speaker 2: and I never felt I was at the right place.
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  Speaker 2: I remember I seek the help of sports psychologists. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them, they told me, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: they were trying to brainwash me. They were like, oh, George,
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  Speaker 2: stop saying you're afraid. You're not afraid. You're excited. I'm like, bro.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited if I, I don't know if I say
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful woman or, you know, like, like, or, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not excited to
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  Speaker 2: go fight in a, in a, in a cage. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? So I'm afraid. Then I realized
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  Speaker 2: that you should not be afraid. I should not be
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  Speaker 2: afraid to admit that I'm afraid, you know, there's no
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  Speaker 2: courage without fear. And when I made peace with it,
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  Speaker 2: I knew it was a normal thing and I learned
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  Speaker 2: how to control it. But it's, uh, that's why there's
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  Speaker 2: some guys, I think they fake it so hard. And
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  Speaker 2: they don't make peace with it. And when the light
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  Speaker 2: is on and it's time to perform, they crumble. You
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  Speaker 2: see that very often in combat sport. Guys that are
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  Speaker 2: very good in the gym, but then when it's time
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  Speaker 2: to go, they don't perform as well. You're like, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on? That's why, because they don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: deal with, they don't know how to domesticate their fear.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know how to manage their fear.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know how to manage it. They don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to control their stress. I remember, I think it's Kusumoto,
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  Speaker 2: the Mike Tyson coach, he says, fear is like fire.
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  Speaker 2: It can help you cook your food, but it can
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  Speaker 2: also burn you if you don't know how to control it.
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  Speaker 2: And one of my sports psychologists used to say to me,
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  Speaker 2: he's like, you have butterflies, you have to make them
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  Speaker 2: fly in formation. That's one thing he used to tell
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  Speaker 2: me all the time. I'm like, that was a good analogy.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure for you, the same thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when you do a show, I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Are you afraid to mess up and being humiliated? Did
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  Speaker 2: it ever happen to you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Like you screwed up. You're like, shit, this thing doesn't
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  Speaker 2: work the way I want. And I mean, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: it happened. Like it happened to me. I get hit
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  Speaker 2: or you know what I mean? I lose a fight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't my plan, my strat. Yeah, I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I ran out of bullets. I ran out of like moves.
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  Speaker 1: I tried some jokes. It didn't work. Oh, the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: you almost go out there because you just want, I
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  Speaker 1: think you know it's going to fucking hurt, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And you just want to, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: comics kind of hate themselves a little bit, to be honest.
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  Speaker 1: And so they go out there because they know the
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  Speaker 1: feeling that the embarrassment and pain they're going to feel,
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  Speaker 1: finally it'll match how they feel on the inside. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a little weirdness in that that like, some things
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  Speaker 1: are going to feel a little even in a way. Um,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and also a lot of comedians hate themselves so much
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: that the people could never hate them as much as
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: they fucking hate themselves. So, or they've talked so badly
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: about themselves, like in their own head.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: You know, you need, you mean, you need to be
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: willing to make fun of yourself if you want to
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I think that helps because then it certainly at that point,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, you're using all the tools you already, you.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Make fun of others, but you make fun of, you
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: need to be ready to make fun of yourself as well.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And in your head, like, I think a lot of
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: comedians are like, um, you know, they have a lot
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: of fear. They have a lot of, uh, inferiority. And
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: so when they're, when they're growing up, they probably talk
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: badly to themselves in their head. And so then when
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they're able to joke about themselves, it's almost a way
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of releasing some of that. It's like, they're making fun
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of themselves, but it's in a way that is making,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: bringing joy to people. Yeah. So it almost kind of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like alleviates some of that, if that makes any sense.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Over the year, that feeling of.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: It goes away.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: It goes away for you, yeah? Yeah.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It goes away because... It didn't go away for me. Really?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it got worse because every fight is bigger than that.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: But just the fight, so the fight itself, so the
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: training and all of that, you're digging.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: No, training makes me nervous. No, I'm nervous before training
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: because when you train for a fight, you want to perform.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: When you're in between fight, off season, now you want
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to have fun. That's when training is fun. But when
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: you're training for a fight, it's about performance. It's not
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: that fun. It's not fun.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Winning is fun, but you know, like- Like a fight
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: day would be tough?
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: The fight day would be the toughest?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. Well, to give you an example, fight day,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: it's every fight day is the worst day of my life.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: You wake up after a shitty night of sleep, And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: when you wake up, you're like, because you don't sleep
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: well because you make, so I make so much scenario
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: in my mind. If you do this, I'm going to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: do this and try to cover every possible scenario that
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: can happen. And sometimes you close your eyes, you try
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: to see, you try to be positive, but sometimes you
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: don't see yourself winning. Sometimes there's certain imagery that pops
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: up in your head that you see yourself losing. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I developed a trick. I'm a firm believer of the
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: power of, of thinking, you know, of the power of
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the mind.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Visualization?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. So when you have a negative imagery that pops
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: up in your head, it's a sign of intelligence. You know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: it's normal.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: It will happen.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Because you're smart, you can... you can foresee certain bad outcomes.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So you need to be prepared. So it forces you to,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: you don't want to finish your visualization on a negative
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: note because it would leave a scar up here. So
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I always force myself when I see myself getting dropped
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: by a punch, then I don't let go. I just
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: force myself, okay, I'm going to scramble back up and
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: get back in control of the fight. And then I
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: can go on with my life, do whatever I need
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: to do. So I think if you only finish on
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the negative, it could leave a scar. That's one of
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the things that over the year I tried to do
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: and it helped me a lot. It's powerful.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of the fight, the first Sarah fight,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I know you didn't get
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the outcome that you wanted, but you stayed alive. I mean, you,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you know, that was a, Yeah, I got hit so
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: many times. I was like, geez, I felt like we
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: were getting hit at home, I remember.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And Matt Serra really surprised me because going into that fight,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: it was my first title defense. Matt Serra was known
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: for his grappling prowess. He was one of the most
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: decorated jiu-jitsu athletes at the time. And I was more
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: worried about his ground game than his stand-up. But he
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: worked a lot on his stand-up game and he caught
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: me with a punch that I never saw coming on
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: behind the ear. And when he caught me, I remember
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I got emotional because I wanted to give it back
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: to him right away. You know, like this was not
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: supposed to happen. The odds were favoring me like something
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: like 10 to 1 or something crazy. So I wanted
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: to give it back to him right away. And like
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: an idiot, I fall into a slugfest. and when you're
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a stun, you're not accurate because you're dizzy. He was
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: accurate and he hits very hard. So I got like a,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I don't, I can't remember how many punches I, I,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I got hit with. Oh, I, I, but you know
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: what I did? So, because I, I didn't know where
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I was. I was so dizzy. I tapped out and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I got, I got a lot of critics because, Oh,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: he's a quitter. He tapped out on strike and everything.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And it affected me at the time because I was like, man,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like maybe I'm not as good as I think.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people were like, oh, he's maybe
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: not as good as people think. And I needed to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: build myself mentally from that. And it was very, very
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: hard because I lost the confidence. And confidence for a
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: fighter is the most important thing because you can have
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: all the skills in the world, but if you don't
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: have the confidence... if I can make an analogy, it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: like someone who has a lot of money in his
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: bank account, but no way of accessing it. So I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: needed to build myself back up. And it was, it
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: was a tough time. I remember.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's funny you see it that way. Cause I saw
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: it as, wow, I cannot believe how I think it,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: for me, it goes back to what you were saying
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that like to envision, like if you visualize yourself getting
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: hit to then finish on a visualization of yourself, you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: returning back to form and like, still being in the bout.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Cause that's what it seemed like to me. I mean,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I know we got the victory on that one, but, um.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I, I, I, I tapped out on strike and I'm
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: not ashamed to say it. A lot of guys that
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: will say, because there's this thing in our sport that, Oh,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: he tapped out on strike. You quit, but man, it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a sport. We're not in a war. And I rather
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: save myself for another day. All right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: You always seem like that guy. You always seem like this.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You're always a perfect strategist. I'm never going to give
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: up until it's finished. But that fight was finished. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: was gone.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It was a matter of time that I was probably
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: going to fall unconscious. So I decided to tap and
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to save some of my brain cells and come back
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: another day.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And you did.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think there's no shame about it. When
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: that happened at the time, I was ashamed a little
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: bit and I didn't want to... Talk about it, but
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm glad I did it. I'm glad I
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think it's easier probably to look in
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: back in the past and see the long, you know,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to see the whole, like all the work, you know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to see it as a whole, as like a whole
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: piece there. Um, yeah. What was it? What was kind
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: of one of the toughest times you felt like in
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: your career? Was that probably it? You think? Cause you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: had just gotten the title. It's your first title defense.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: That was bad mentally. The first loss before that, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: lost to Matt Hughes. Matt Hughes, yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It was more of a learning experience. This was different
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: because it really brought my confidence down. And I remember
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: at the time I... I had a sports psychologist. He's awesome.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Brian Cain.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Brian or Ryan?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Brian Cain. He was amazing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And he's deceased?
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. He's still around. He works
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: with pro athletes. And he says to me... And he
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: says to me, because after the fight, I immediately, the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: only thing I was thinking about is to get back
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: out there and get my, get my, my revenge, you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: because I was not proud of my performance. I was like, man,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I'm better than this. I'm better than this guy. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: want to, I want to go back out there and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: show the world that, you know, my ego wanted to
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: show the world that I am better than this. But.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: The fight that I had was not against Sarah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I needed to build, like to have a few more
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: wins before I had to return for a title shot.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: So I was not focusing on the right thing. I
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: was focusing on Matt Sarah instead of focusing on my
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: next opponent. And that could have been very bad. So
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: what my sports psychologist did to me, he said, George,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you're carrying a lot of brick. And I didn't know
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: what it mean at the time. So he made me
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: carry a brick. And he made me write the name
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: of Sarah with clay on it. And he made me
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: carry that brick in my training bag. And every day
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: I was going to train with that freaking brick. And
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: in TriStar, you have to go up the stairs and
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: it's not a pleasant walk to go to the gym.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a training of itself.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Of itself.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: And at one point, like after a week, I call him,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, can I get rid of that brick?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: He's like, no, you keep it, you keep it. I'm like, man,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: this guy is completely insane. You know, like he was,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you know, I thought that he was crazy. He probably
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: needed a psychologist himself. So I kept carrying, carrying the brick, carrying.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: And right, like the week before my fight with, I
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: think it was with Josh Koscheck, that I was trying
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to get back to a title shot. I was like, man,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I can't deal with this shit anymore. Can I throw
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: that brick out? He's like, okay, I'm coming, wait. So
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: I went to where the Saint-Laurent River is. I threw it,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I grabbed it, and I threw it in the water.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And I know it sounds cuckoo to say, but it
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: was something physical that I did that had a profound
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: change on my mental health. it kind of free me
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: from that, uh, that, that needs to prove to the
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: world that I want to beat him again, you know?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: So I was able to focus on the immediate task ahead.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Because sometimes that desire, I just, it's a blind desire
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: almost like I need to prove and it's not, uh,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: it's powerful, but it's not effective because it's not calculated.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: You know, and it can be even more dangerous sometimes
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: than anything.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so, so I was not, I was going
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: in a dangerous path because I was not focusing on the,
• 26:34
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• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the fight, like I was focusing on the other fight
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: be after, but yeah, I was about to, to, to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: screw it up bad.
• 26:45
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• 26:48
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• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Bisping was my last fight. Hendrix is after I took,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I took a break after Hendrix. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: after Hendrick, you talked about like you were going through
• 28:15
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• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: What was that about? Was it stuff you couldn't talk
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: about before?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a lot of family issues and problems.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, I was a very active fighter.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: When you say active, what do you mean? Fighting often?
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fighting often. And also, you have to consider that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you do a lot of promotion, tours and stuff. It
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: takes a lot out of you. And also the stress.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: You always have someone that is threatening you. Because when
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you're the contender, you don't have as much stress because
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you have one target. You want to be champion. You
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: want to go there. That's the benchmark, you know? That's
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the best, isn't it? Yes. It's hard to become champion,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: but it's even harder to stay champion. There's not a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: lot of guys that stay champion for a long time.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It's very hard. Because when you're champion, you're the target.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: When you're the contender, you have... You have, you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: one guy is starting, nobody really targets you, but if
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: you get to the title shot, you have only one
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: guy that targets you. When you're the champion, everyone targets you.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So you're the target. And you don't have much time
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to prepare for your opponent. And your opponent has been
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: looking at you for years because he's climbing the rank
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: and he's studying you, he's trying to find a sheik
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: in your armor.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And every time they interview any of those guys, they
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: all call your name. name because you're the guy.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Of course. So that's why it is much different. It's
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: much more difficult to stay champion than becoming champion. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: when you're a champion, it's hard because your life changes.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: You have more responsibility and more... there's a lot of
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: more requests and stuff. And then man, it's, and that's
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: what happened to me at the time. I was, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I was doing it for so long and I had
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: so much pressure for so long. And I remember at
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the time I was, I didn't want, I was shy
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: to talk about it because I was like, if I
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: talk about it before the fight and I was fighting against,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: they had, they used to have big problem with performance
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: enhancing drug in mixed martial arts. It was a big,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: big problem.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, they got big problems with those at a damn 7-Eleven, dude.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: People are shooting up everywhere now.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I never wanted to accuse one individual, but I wanted
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: to change the system.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: The UFC at the time didn't really add my back,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: didn't really help me on that. And I was fighting
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: against that behind closed door.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Because you were saying some of these guys could be
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: using We Have to Test stronger. Oh, 100%.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: That's why I did the test when I fought Hendrix.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: When I fought also BJ Penn, we did the test
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to implement this. It's crazy because you
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: play basketball, you play soccer, play football, but you don't
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: play fighting. Can lose your brain cells out there. It's different.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And it makes some people like, yeah, but it doesn't
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: make that's my bullshit. It makes you such a huge,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: it's a tons of difference, man. I've trained with guys
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that are openly, like they're saying to me, like when
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: they are on cycle, it's not even the same person. No. Yeah, guys,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: it changes you, not only stamina, strength, recovery, but also
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: your brain, your reaction time, you're more creative. There's things
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: that you would do when you're on it that you
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: would not maybe do when you're not, you know? So, so.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, you'll start fucking the air when you're on. You're
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: on test 700 or whatever, dude. I saw a guy
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: one time just.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: He just... He had so... You know, he just... He
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: turned into an animal. Yeah, 100%.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: So in fighting... So that's a risk then because you're
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: at the top. Obviously, everybody's focused on you. And if
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you don't know if some of the... If you're staying
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: clean and you don't know if some of the... Some
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of the... testing is up to your, what you believe
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: is a fair code, then fuck, that would be really scary.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Well, the martial art, I think one of the things
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: in martial art is the respect and being just, being fair.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: And I mean, these are the traditional value of martial art.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And I always try to carry that with me. And
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I felt like I was in some way, not betrayed,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: but I felt a little bit let go. And I
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: was just fed up. I was just, I just needed
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: to take a time off. You know, I was, that's
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: why I left for more than four years, you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm, I'm glad I did it because, uh, maybe
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I should have done it. Maybe a fight, one, one
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: fight before, you know, it would, uh, you can burn out, man. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: It's so much people don't, I don't think realize that
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the responsibilities. And then, yeah, especially
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: while the sport is still building so much at that time,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: like that was a huge building period for UFC. And
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: so like, um, To have some, just to have like
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: interview requests. I want you to be here and you
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: want to do all the things you can do, you know,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: cause you feel like you're physically capable, but yeah, part
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: of you starts to get burned down. It's like a.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's almost like when you light a
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: candle and there's nothing left in it. That's how I
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: feel sometimes.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I remember you just finish a fight and immediately after
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: there's another guy calling you out. I'm sort of an
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: obsessive compulsive guy. So as soon as another guy calling
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: me out, I'm starting to make scenario in my mind.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, blah, blah, blah. I'm like... It drive
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: you nuts, it drive you. And when you're the contender,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: you're on your way up, you don't have that problem. Yeah,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: of course, when maybe you get to the top five,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: but before that, nobody noticed you, nobody care about you.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: You care about them, but they don't care about you.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: It's so funny, I never thought about that. So when
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you're on top, now you're the target. Everybody talks shit
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: about you, they disrespect you. And if you want it
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: or not, it touches you. Because you say, oh, you
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: don't bother watching these things, but it touches you. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you see, sometimes things get bad. You see the people,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: they insult each other. And people always ask me sometimes,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: do you think they went too far? I mean, this
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: is the fight game, man. You can die out there.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Or you can have certain damage that will make you
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: die in the near future.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Be wheelchair or whatever, anything.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: The art of war, man. They're going to try everything
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to try to make you lose your mind. And we
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: saw many, many fights that guys lose their mind. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why... Everybody knows Conor McGregor.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: His first title fight against Jose Aldo, he knocked him
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: out in something like seven seconds. He pissed off Jose
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Aldo so much. Jose Aldo lost his mind. He went
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: out of his game plan and try to rush to him,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: to give it to him. Conor McGregor is an incredible counter-puncher.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: He just slipped, boom, that was it. That was, I mean,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: it was very smart from his part to, he taunt
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Jose Aldo. It was emotional, it was, I believe, It
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was prepared. I believe he put Jose Aldo exactly where
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you want it to be. He set it up by
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: all the interview, all the things he said, all the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: thing he done. Right.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: He started the fight months before in a way.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when you're in that fight game, another thing
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: that people don't talk about, you'd never want to show
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: your private life. Right. Because people will use that against you.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Talk about people. Me, I can put a shield on.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: If you can insult me, you can say whatever you want.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I'm very good at putting a shield, and it's not
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: going to bother me. But talk about someone I love,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: someone I care about, now it's going to get me,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And we saw that another time with Conor and Khabib Nurmagomedov,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the famous fight.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, that was crazy.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Yes. So that's the reason why it went crazy after,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: because they crossed the line afterwards. But it's the fight game.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: That's a fight game. I don't think it's right, but
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys will do that to make you
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: the real. Do you respect guys just as much as
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: do that? I mean, it's another facet to war in
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a way, right? It's the art of war, man. It's
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: combat sport, man. It's kill or be killed, man. They're
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: going to do it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's evolved more since like in the
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: past 15 years? Have you noticed it evolve more over
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: time like that more? It's more of a strategy now,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: or do you think more people see it coming now? Like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: what do you think the evolution of that's been of
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: trash talking?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: It's a good question. I think what changes is the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: fact that now we have social media and we're in
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: touch with the world. I can be at home in
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Montreal and insulting you when you're in Tennessee in two
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: seconds and you will notice it in real time. Boom. Before,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that was not really the case. We didn't have that power,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Now you can say something, the whole world sees it, and, oh,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: did you hear what he said? So that's, I think,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: what makes the difference, you know?
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: It's different now.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the testing has gotten better over
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: time in the sport? Well, now I think it got
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a little bit worse because... One company quit, right? Or
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: one company got laid off.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: USAIDA. Right. Right.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And I interrupted you. I interrupted you. Sorry, George.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. Please, please. It's true. What happened
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is they didn't have any testing first. Then they hire,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I think, USADA. So it got much better. But they
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: test beef and stuff, don't they? Is it the same group? They, they, actually, yeah, USADA,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was. Oh my God.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Bro, if the same person testing my pork chops is
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: testing Mike Perry, then I think we got, we got
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to fucking figure something out. I mean, I think both
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: of them are clean, but I'm just saying.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: But, well, you saw when I, when, when USADA just,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: just arrived on the scene, a lot of the champion
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I fall, I felt, you know, and, and they made a,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: they lost a lot of money, but I give them
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: props because they, they took the lead.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: They had to do it. They had to clear it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons I came back and I,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: and I fought Bisping because if they would not have
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: made drug tests, I would never have come back. Wow.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I was like, no way. I'm like this.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't like that. But now I think
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it was too, it just wasn't fair. It just wasn't,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: it's not fair.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: It was insane. It was like, I'm never going to
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: say this guy, this guy, but when you're in, you're
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: in the, the industry, you know, who's who, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: who do what? It's a small world. We all know.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like when you're in ninth grade and some
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: kid shows up like that with pimples everywhere. You know
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: what's going on. You know what Ricky's been doing. You
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? You just know.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But sometimes it's not even, you cannot even notice
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it physically because certain drugs, like for example, like EPO
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: will give you a crazy stamina, but might not really
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: changes you physically. There is stuff that people talks, you
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: know who's who. And I mean, it was just at
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the time it was insane. And I'm glad that UFC
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: did this. I didn't want to bring UFC down. That
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: was not my intent when I did this. I wanted
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to elevate the sport and I'm glad they did it.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I think it elevate the sport and now, yeah, they're
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: not with USADA anymore, but I think they hire another
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: organization to, to do the tests. Uh, but I do
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: believe that if you want to avoid corruption, it needs
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: to be a separated entity that do the test. Then the, the,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: organization itself.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And is that what they have now, right now?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I am not sure. But if the organization has power
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: in order, like in the testing, it's corrupted. It cannot
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: be corrupted. It needs to be a different entity where
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the organization does not have any power.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Right. Right, because they can't be able to control and say, hey,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: let's make this okay and this not okay.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Of course, imagine you have a big fight coming up
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and the two guys that headline the cards, like one
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: of them tests positive. He just screwed up the card,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: you know, and they lose a lot of money. So
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: they have an interest in this.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this says Drug Free Sport International will be in
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: charge of the collection process under the new program that
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: begins in January when UFC's deal with USADA ends. This
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: was last year. Former FBI Special Agent George Pirro, best
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: known for interrogating former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, will be
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: in charge of the new program. That's interesting. You identify
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: people and entities in the space that can make something
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that is already working well, and you make them better.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: UFC Vice President Jeff Nowitzki said, you learn that USADA
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: is not the only player in the space, and that
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a combination of other entities and individuals can actually make
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: your program stronger and better, and that's exactly what's happening
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: right now with our program.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunate.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I believe they want clean guys fighting in there. No doubt.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I believe they want money. I think that's what they believe.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I think that their number one interest is the money,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: which is normal. They run a business.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: They're a business.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And after, yeah, the security of the factory. But it's
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: not to bash them. And I think it's every company
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: want to make money. That's the goal. Right. Like that's
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: the number one priority. And after, if we can make
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: it fair and clean, okay, but money, I think is
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: always a number one.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think. Well, that's a good point. That's business.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: And you know what? Business.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes business is inherently has some evil edges to it.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: are not evil, but it's like business gets kind of
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: dirty sometimes. I'm not saying this, but I remember like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I went and saw Poirier's last fight and I remember
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: waiting outside. The people came and took him in there
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to test him. But are those tests, are they able
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to keep those tests like legitimate?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Are they like, well, the problem I believe is, well,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: just To give you an example, when I was training
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: to fight Michael Bisping, you had to fill the whereabout
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: to let them know, okay, I have training at this time,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: this time to this time at this place. Oh, next
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: week I'm in Florida. But let's say you really want
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to cheat, for example. You just tell them you're going to,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, freaking Antarctica or somewhere where they're not
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: going to spend money to send an investigator to test you. Oh, yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: But you go there, you get your stuff, and then
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: you know how long it stays in your system. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: then after you got the, you surf on it for weeks.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Oh, I see.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: So you could use it to enhance you and then
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: be clean when it's time for showtime. Or another thing
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that guys do, they have sponsors, okay? So they prepare
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: their excuse. So let's say I'm sponsored by a certain
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: food supplement company. Okay.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm taking, for example, a certain substance that is illegal.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I know that my... the food supplement that the protein
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: company that sponsored me is tainted by that certain substance.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm, I'm sponsored by them. So when I get
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: cut as, Oh, it's not my fault is the company
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: that sponsors me. So that's another way. So you prepare your, your, your, your,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you know, that that's, that's one of the way I
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: would think they would do. Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: No, I think that makes sense. Did you feel like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: most of the fights you fought people, your opponent was clean?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I don't have the evidence and, and it's, um, It's
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: wrong to accuse someone if you don't have the evidence.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: But I know for a fact that there was a
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: lot of guys, a lot of guys that were using
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: performance enhancing drugs. And it was a big problem. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the same thing in the Olympic. Where you have money,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: you will always have corruption. It's impossible to catch everyone
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: because the technology to cheat will always be one step
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: ahead of the technology to catch the guys. I know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: it's crazy.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I was like a cat and a mouse. Well, you
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: were fortunate, man. You got in and you kind of
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: got out at the time where you wanted. I mean,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you'd achieved everything you wanted. I mean, you're one of
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the rare people that it's like, it's almost like if
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you look at your career and stuff, you're like, dang, man,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: he made all the right moves, you know?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: You were strategic about it. I was strategic, but I
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: have the chance to have real friends. A lot of
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the people I hang out with that I'm friends with,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: they were friends with me in the beginning. And for me,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: it's very important because they don't tell me what I
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: want to hear. They tell me the.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Truth, what you need.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: And even when I wanted to come back and fight
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Michael Bisping, a lot of my good friends, they were like, George,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: you're 36 years old, man. Your best years are maybe
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: behind you. What are you trying to prove? And my
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: argument was like, man, I don't want to live with regret.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I just want to do one more. or, you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: depending on how it's going to go, you know, and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: if I fail, I fail and I, and I leave.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And if I keep going, I keep going, but at
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: least give me one, one shot. And if I succeed, we'll,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: we'll see after, you know what I mean? And, um,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to leave with regret, you know, because
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: let's say, let's say I would not have done it.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I always, I will have grow up now. I'm, I'm 43.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: It's too late. You know, I passed my prime. I would,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I would live with regrets. Oh, I should have done it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: And now I would regret it. So I, I always
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: believe that, You never want to live with regrets. That's
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the worst thing.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Has there been moments since then where you're just on
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the couch or something and you've had a couple beers
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm fucking getting back in there tomorrow
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: and you're just kind of fired up?
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: When I retired, I retired because I had... I won
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the title, but people don't know this, but I was
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: very healed. I had ulcer colitis because I was trying to...
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: To gain weight.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Colitis.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Yes. I was trying to gain weight because I was
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: fighting in a heavier- Filling of the large intestine. Yes.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. I was trying to put on weight. It's Crohn disease.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: You have Crohn disease?
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: It's ulcer colitis. It's not Crohn. Crohn is different. Ulcer colitis.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: But very often, ulcer colitis transform into Crohn and Crohn
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: transform into cancer. Oh.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of time, you know, you see that progression.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: So when that, like when I had those crazy cramp,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it was during my training camp with Bisping and I
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: didn't know what it was because it was blood when
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I was going to bathroom. And I told myself, I said,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, I'm going to do the fight and
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have, because no, no, but to, to
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: know what it is, you need to do what they
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: call a colonoscopy. So they go with a camera. But
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: you need to take, yeah, you need to take laxative
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: and all that.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Like it empty you. And I was trying to put
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: on weight. So you know what I mean?
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. It was a few weeks before.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, whatever it is, I'll
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: do the fight and I'll deal with it after. And
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: after the fight, I went to do the test. And
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I got diagnosed with ulcer colitis and I was on
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: heavy medication, like for anti-inflammatory. And I relinquished the title.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I could have kept the title for one year and
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: like parade with that sponsorship. But I didn't want to
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: do that because of the, for the respect, you know?
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: So I relinquished it because I didn't know what was
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: going to happen. I, I, I said, man, I don't
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: know what's going to happen, you know? So I tried
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to get better. And after a few weeks, it didn't
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: really work. And I discovered fasting. And what happened is
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: pretty incredible. I met a doctor, Dr. Jason Fung in Toronto.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Jason Fung, F-U-N-G?
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yes. He's a... Japanese, huh? Yeah, a nephrologist. I think
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: he's Chinese or Canadian-Chinese, yeah.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: That's him, exactly. He gave me a fasting program. He
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: treat a patient that has certain type of diabetes and
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: he gave me certain program of fasting. And what happened
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: after the next few weeks, I, all my symptoms disappeared
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: and I diminished the dose of my medication until I
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: no longer need it.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: And what type of fasting, what exactly were you doing?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I did two types.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I did what we call time-restricted eating, where you eat
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: all your calorie in a certain window.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, like intermittent fasting kind of thing?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you eat your calorie in eight hour and
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: you fast on, like you only drink water in the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: 16 hour. And I do also prolonged fasting. So what
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I do when I do prolonged fasting, I do four
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: days only water. And when I train, I take salt
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: in my hand. I put a little bit and I lick.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Like a pervert.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: It's okay. Or pervert. Pervert.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But you take salt because you don't want to deplete
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: your mineral when you... And this, over time, because ulcer colitis,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to be stuck with that for life.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: It's a condition you have for life. When you got it,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you finish. You know, you got it. And all my
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: symptoms are gone. Now I can drink, I can eat
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: whatever I want. And I'm... I mean, I.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I realized that, you know, we talk about conspiracy and stuff.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: The reason why you don't hear about fasting is because
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: nobody makes money with it. It's not no pills. Yeah.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: But it's really worth investigating. Of course, ask your doctor,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: but man, it changes my life. And I just wish
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I would have known this before. Really?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: So you've used it in other facets too, you know,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: when you need it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It works for everything. Like sometime you have an injury,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: like say tendonitis and tendonitis, often it's related to inflammation,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: you know? All inflammation disease, when you fast, it take
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: away the inflammation. and and and if all the stuff
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: that i that i had regarding inflammation like a toe
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: one of my toes i had a problem with one
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: of my toes it was hurting me for years When
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I started doing my fasting, it kind of disappeared. Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't think about that. We always think more, more, more,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: like more medicine, more anything, more of this diet.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I thought the same thing before. I was like, oh,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: protein shake, this, because I was trying to gain weight
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: when I fought Bisping. And I realized, man, I was
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: doing everything wrong.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: We always think about the punch in. We don't think
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: about the punch out, like you were saying. We don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: think about the inverse of it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: It's insane. And I remember I had a chance to
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: go to Kenya once. I met the tribe of hunter-gatherer.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Those brothers can jump, huh?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But these guys, man, sometimes they spend three, four
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: days without eating and it's normal. They're used to it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: And if you see their old people compared to our
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: old people, they're much more healthier. They look much better.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: And the reason why people will tell me, you know,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, but they have a shorter life expectancy than us. Yes,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: it's because a lot of the child die before the
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: age of adulthood. They die when they're young, yeah. Child,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: how do you say in English?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Starvation or neglect.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. They got like disease or the hospital
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: is too far away. You have to drive like five hours.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that right there. If something's wrong.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: But once they pass a certain point, if you look
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: at their old people and our old people, they look
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: much better.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, our old people look like shit, a lot of them,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: to be honest. No offense. But a lot of them.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: I've had a couple of grandparents and they were mid,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I thought.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: But what makes us live that long, it's not because
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: of our healthy lifestyles, it's because of our technology. For
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: most of us. Right.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's what's saving us most of the time.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: It's not us doing anything. Yeah.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, for example, I had like,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: it's called in French, convulsion febrile. It's when you're a baby,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you have a rise of temperature. So what your body does,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: it shut itself down and go into a coma like this.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: And it happened to me when I was young. My
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: mom told me if I would not have technology, I was,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: brought to the hospital and they put me on an
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: artificial coma and everything on plugs. And if I would
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: not have that technology, I would have not been here
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: with you today. So I'm alive today because of our technology.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: But how you treat the life you have is up
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: to you as well.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: If we don't have technology, maybe 50% of us would.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Not be there. I'd be out probably. A lot of
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: my family would be gone. Oh yeah, like infant mortality
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: rates that you're talking about.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Because they have, hunter-gatherer tribe in Africa, they have a
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: much higher infant mortality rate than us.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: That's what lowered their life expectancy, you know? When you
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: look at some of the fights, did you watch the
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Balal fight the other night? Do you watch the fights?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I did. Yeah. Man.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: You think it was fair to make them fight at
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: that hour in the morning over there? Or is that
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: just fighting?
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Well, it's fair. It's, it's, it's, it's fair or unfair
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: for both of them equally.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: If it's equal, it's equal, you know, like, like I
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: don't care, you know, if you have to make them
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: cross the desert before or swim or doing a triathlon,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: they both do it. They have to do it. It's fair. Uh,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It's not the best condition in terms of performance, but
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: if both guys do it, it's a fair.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: It was 6 a.m. there when they started that main event.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: But man, I was surprised. He performed very well. I'm
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: friends with Leon Edwards. He's such a nice guy. I...
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: When I went to England a few, like a year
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: and a half ago, I remember I went out with
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: him and Usain Bolt. We had a great time. Wow,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. He's such a nice guy. I really like him.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: He's a great athlete, but he's got a great personality too.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And man, I'm sure he's going to come back. It'd
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: be interesting to see. I think it really sets up
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: for a nice surprise. I don't think a lot of
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: people expected it. What were the odds on it, Nick?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Leon was minus 300. Yeah, so I think a lot
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: of people didn't expect it. So I think it adds just, yeah,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: it adds to the sport, you know? It makes it exciting.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I was very surprised by Belal, like his transition, the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: way he, because he doesn't fight like that all the time.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Sometimes he just is mostly a striker or, you know
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: It was a great mix. Man, he was on point.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Like for that fight.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: He was like really on point. It was like, wow.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: It was, yeah, I thought it was super impressive. It
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: was really cool to watch.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Um, it made me just kind of realize even, yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't expect that much diversity from him. Um, is
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: this what he said below and wants to be greater
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: than GSP for his legacy? I definitely, definitely can.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: If he, you know, if you keep working hard and, uh,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it, it, all records are made to be broken,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And, uh, do you look back at the times when
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you'd like the era or it's not really an era.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't long that long ago, but when
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you look at the time when you were fighting, right.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Would you rather be fighting in this era? Do you
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: love the era you were fighting in? Do you ever
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: think about it in spaces like that?
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I think I was extremely lucky to fight in my era.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: It could have been better. If I would have fought today,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I would have made maybe more money because of the
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: social media and all that. But it could have been
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: way worse. If I look at like in the time
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: of Hoyes Gracie, Dan Severn, Mark Coleman, Don Frye, These
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: guys were the real guys, man. They were fighting two,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: three times a night. No rules, no weight class. Man,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: that was insane. Ken Shamrock. For me, I respect these
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: guys a lot because they paved the way for all
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: of us. And they didn't make money, man. It's sad.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: They didn't make money, man. They were tough as hell.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Is there a union or something that pays for stuff
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: for the... pioneers of it?
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: No, there's not.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's a question of time. I mean, yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Cause when you say that, a question of time, some,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: some guys, they, they try to do it. It got closed,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: but then they always fighting for power. They want to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: be in control. Certain group want to be in control
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: and others are wants to take more power. And I mean,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: We all want the same thing. We all want the
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: same thing, you know, at the end of the day.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: And I think it's like every sport and hockey, baseball,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: it's a matter of time. Things were the same. If
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: you look at other sports, they were the same. Guys
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: were underpaid. Their condition were not good. They didn't have
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: any assurance, nothing like that. And, you know, over time
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: it got better. I think it's only a matter of time.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: The only difference is, In mixed martial arts, UFC has
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: the monopoly. It's a monopoly. Right, there's one show, really. Well,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: they have PBR. Well, yeah, but it's the most... PFL. Yeah,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: PFL is there. It's growing. Which is very good. PFL
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: is good because it's a competition to UFC, but... UFC
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: is the most prestigious organization. And PFL start to gain
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of momentum, which is good for fighters because
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: it gives them the ability to negotiate. But when you
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: have only one organization that has all the control, it's
• 56:43
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• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: was there ever another fight? That's so great that you
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and Bisping got to fight. I must admit, Bisping's a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: fun dude, huh?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's crazy.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: He's crazy, dude.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: He's such a good villain.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, he is because he knows what he's doing. It's like,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: he's really kind of, uh, he seems to be a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: guy that's, enjoyed it along the way.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a mouth that can decimate all his opponent.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of fun.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I'm not going to get into
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: a trash talk battle with this guy. He's an English
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: man and we speak English perfectly. I'm like, my English suck.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what am I going to do with this?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just also not good at, you know, like insulting.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: But also knowing that that's not your strength, I think
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: was one of your strengths, you know, knowing where to like,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you always really had kind of a precision,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: it seemed like, for the choices you made. You looked
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: at it as a business. I've heard you talk about
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: it before. You looked at it really as a business,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: especially if it wasn't something that you even enjoyed on
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the fight nights. Were you able to pull any real
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: joy out of it over time? Or was it all,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: when you finally got done, was it just like, oh,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: thank God? It was a release when I got done,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: but I.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I had great mom and a great memory of it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: Like I, it, it was a lot of fun when
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: you win, when you win a fight, man, you look
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: back at it and you're thinking like, man, everything is
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: worth it. You know, it was all worth it. But
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: when you lose, man, Oh God, it's, Oh, it's a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: crazy downfall. It's that's what makes it so early loss. So,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: so hard. It's the risk, bigger, the risk, bigger, the reward, right?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Are you a perfectionist? Do you think then kind of, Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: I was crazy. I was obsessed. Everything I did was
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: always oriented to try to make me the best fighter.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Everything, everything I did. The best fighter or the best
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: person or the best like?
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Best fighter.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Best fighter, okay.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Person, I just, you know, like I was not trying
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: to make, be a character. I was like some guy
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: that tried to be sort of, some sort of a character,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: you know? Like some good guy try to be bad guy.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: You see that very often. Or some, you know, some
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: bad guy sort of try to be nice in front
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: of the camera, but when the camera doesn't roll, they
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: become some douchebag. You see that a lot when you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: meet celebrities. But I always try to be true to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: myself and focus on performance, you know, because at the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: end of the day, I never hate, I never had
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: any personal beef with any of my opponent. He's not
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: a human being. And when I... When I look across
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: the octagon before a fight, I sort of feel like
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I look to myself in the mirror because that guy
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: maybe did a similar sacrifice that I did. So if
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I disrespect him, it's sort of in the same, in
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: a way, it's like I'm disrespecting myself. So for me,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: it was just, I was just extremely lucky. Even the
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: guy was talking a lot of trash and stuff. I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: was lucky to have sort of that moment to shine and,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: you know, that people were aware and I make money
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: with it and you know for me after when it's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: finished it's finished it's not personal and there's none of
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: the guy that I thought that if they would be
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: in trouble today I would not hesitate one second to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: help them like if they are at my reach I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: would not hesitate one second to help any of them
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: and this I mean it yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating to look at your opponent and think what
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: if they made the same sacrifices as I did then
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: what else can I even do that's a Dude, that's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: such an intense way to look at the other side
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: of the, at the other person across from you.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Well, but it's only like they make the same sacrifice,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: but maybe they didn't have the same opportunities that opens
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: to them.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe they were not as lucky as I was.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the stars need to be aligned. I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: think life sometimes opens certain opportunities to you that if
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: you wait too much, the door will close and it's
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: gone forever. Yeah.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: And, uh, yeah, I think it's something that's true. I mean,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: you look at the Diaz brothers. I mean, if you look,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Nick took a time off of fighting for years. Well,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: they made him quit though. Didn't they make him.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He got suspended for and he refused to pay
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: the fine and couldn't fight for five years. Exactly.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: That's one of the, that's what a waste. He wasn't
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: as prime. I think he could have maybe be champion.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Like when I retire, I was telling people, I was like, man,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't, he should push on the gas right
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: now and go, man. That's his time. He should do it.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Was there a time where, has there been like a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: fighter or something since then you look and you're like, man,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: it would have been fun to fight them? Or do
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: you have like moments like that?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys that I wish we would
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: have fight, you know, and that would be big fight.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: It would have made a story, but... You know, like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: it takes three entity to make a fight. It takes
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: one fighter, the other fighter, it takes the promoter as well.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: And very often the promoter didn't reach our demands. You
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? And everything needs to be aligned
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: for the three entities.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know people always talk about you and Khabib fighting,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: you know. Did that interest you kind of?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: So... it was the fight that I would have come
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: back for, uh, at the time, not now, now time
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: I've passed, but, but, uh, after I retired, it was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: one fight I would have, you know, I would have
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: had to go. I would have been Khabib.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: And what was the most, what challenge, what excited you
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: about that the most? I mean, obviously he was undefeated.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: He's undefeated. He's got a perfect career. He's the, the competitor,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: the competitor inside of me would have done, would have
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: take the fight, you know? Uh, you know, and, uh,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: That's one of the fact I would have, I would
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: have done it, you know, like, like, but, but it
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: needed to be at the right time. And, and when
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: it was time to do it, UFC didn't want to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: do it. Yeah. So they wait a few years after
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: when we were both retired and the train was, was passed. Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: The moment was gone. And when they asked, when Dana
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: called me, I said, I thought it was weird. I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: was like, are you like, Is Khabib want to fight?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Want to fight? Because he said no in all interviews.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: He said, no, no, he's down, he's down. I'm like, okay,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: let me think about it. I'll get back to you.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was weird. So I called his manager,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Ali Abdelaziz, and Ali said, hey, man, the timing is
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: not good. It's bullshit. It's not true. And after I've said,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: I've told the media what happened. And then I went,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: I don't do three, three, three people calls when I,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: and I thought it was hilarious because he's right. You know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: he's not going to call a guy and say, Hey, no,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: the other guy doesn't want. No, that's not business. Exactly.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: He's a promoter. He's going to say, this guy said this, this,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: this about you. Do you want to fight him? And
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: you want to take, you want to use the emotions
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: to make you tune in. It's like playing your mom
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: against your dad. It's like, hey, dad, mom said I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: can do this. And then you go to, hey, mom,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: dad said I can do this. Neither one of them
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: said they could, but now you're outside playing. Exactly.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: It's all a game. It's all a freaking game. And
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure, I think, on Dana, probably.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I bet it's a lot of pressure because not only
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: is he the promoter, but he's also, you have to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: answer all the questions.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: And he's in business. He's in control of a business. Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: It's not up to him. If someone signed a contract
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: that suck, he's not going to say, Hey, uh, you
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: worth more money. You should have, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, man, he's a businessman. He's going to take
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: it and take advantage of you. So it's, it's not
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: because what I'm saying is it's not, he's a, he's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: a good guy.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I've met, I've met him. And when you, you met him,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: of course.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Met him many times, but I met him while I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: was competing and, So I, when I was competing and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Dana called me, I always, before I hang up the phone,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, shit, take a inhale, try to think
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: of what is the possible thing that he's going to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: ask me because you need to be quick when he
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: called you. You don't want to say something. Or you
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: just say, you don't, you don't answer. Or you, you,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you're like, you're always like, because this is a game,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: it's a chess game, man, with a fight game. Everything
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: you say, everything you do is going to have a,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: an outcome. So you're like, okay, what he's gonna say,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: this is it. Then you prepare, if you're ready, you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: take the call. If you're not ready, you let, okay,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna prepare myself. So that's how it is. Let
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: me call Mike Brown. Let me get somebody to massage
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: me during.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: The off rounds.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: But the thing with Dana is my relation has changed
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: over the year because now it's more friendly. He calls me,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna hesitate to say, hey, Dana, what's up? Like, whatever,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'm ready for anything. But when I was fighting, It's
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: normal to have that reaction because he's the boss and
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever he's gonna ask you, whatever you say,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be the whole world gonna know. So you
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: cannot retract what you say. So when he calls you,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: when I was fighting, I was like, shit. So I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: started a certain instance. I was like, man, I'm not
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: taking the call right now, or I'm going to call
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: him back. Think about what the little strategy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: It's almost like when your boss says, what are you
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: up to this weekend?
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: You now, if your boss, but your boss, they want
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: you to work at four 30 on Saturday. Right. And
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: you do not want to, but if you tell them
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: that you're, Oh, nothing much, then you're halfway to working.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's interesting when you're the owner, it's also
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: hard to be, I bet at times it's probably, maybe
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: it not, I'm not putting words in his mouth or anything,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: but I bet it's tough for him to also be
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: a person, you know, and maybe it's easier after the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: fact because running a business is totally different than being
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: a human being sometimes.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: He takes a lot of heat sometime and he does
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. that he needs to do for
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: the best of the UFC interests. And it's normal that
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: he's running a business.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: And it's worked out because look at the UFC has
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: created opportunities for so many guys. I had a lot
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: of clash with Dana when I was- You did? I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: didn't even know that.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: No, no, we did add a lot of clashes when
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I was fighting because I attained a certain level of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: power that, he couldn't control me as much. Some of
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: the guys, he could say, you do this. Oh yeah, yes, sir.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Like me, I was like, no, it's not going to work.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Because I was making him a lot of profit, a
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: lot of money. So when you, you know, there's a
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: lot of things that they asked me and I said,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: hell no, I'm not doing it because it's not for
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: the best of my interest. So the same thing when
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: you negotiate for a fight, my thing was like, if
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I'm negotiating for a big fight, why am I going
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: to do all the interviews, all the promotion if I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: don't touch a piece of the pie?
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So give me a piece
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: of the pie. So it will encourage me to do
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: more promotion. Yeah. Because if you don't touch any piece
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: of the pie, if you don't have nothing, why am
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: I going to do this? I'm just going to waste
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: my time while I'm supposed to train and rest. I'm
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: going to do interviews.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: And your time has become more valuable because you're the champion,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: There's, I think there's, it's interesting when you get to
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: a certain level, how, um, the negotiations kind of change.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: It has to.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: It's pretty fascinating.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: You have to be, to, to, to look at it
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: in that way.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: And were you able to get like pay-per-view points and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: stuff back then in your fights?
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm, I'm very like, congratulations, man. Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, there's a lot of guys in
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: the business that in this industry that are not well managed,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: you know, they, they, they, they don't ask for what
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: they're worth and, and they, They're kind of afraid or
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: they don't take right decision. And it's not Dana's job
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, I think you should ask for a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: raise or it's normal. He's not going to do that.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: He's the boss. He's on the other side of the...
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: So the fight game, you're fighting for a contract. This
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: should be your manager's fight. You have someone that look
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: for the best of your interests. And that's one fight.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: And the other fight is in the octagon. Yeah.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Well, it's fascinating. You know, I think that a lot
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: of that happens with art. When art or talent turns
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: into business, there's this other element that comes on, you know.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: And sometimes you have to trust your instincts. And sometimes
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: they're right and sometimes they're wrong. But that's how you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: hone your instincts to be sharper too is by using them,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: you know. And, yeah, I bet it's tricky probably for
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Dana because I bet there's a lot of guys that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: he super cares about. And, and, but he also has
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: to run a business, you know? So I can't imagine
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: that's gotta be, um, it's gotta be tricky, you know?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: And I think also you hear the nicest stuff, like
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: you'll hear like, All the stuff he does for his
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: employees or places that he tries to help out.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: During COVID, he didn't lay off nobody. It's amazing.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: I called him the other day asking him for some
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: help with something. I know that... So you know he's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: a great guy. I think he's also a great businessman.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: He's a great person too.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. And fighters, I mean, guys that
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: are listening to us now, when they're in the middle
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: of a competition, when they're competing, they might be... they
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: might not have that relationship with Dana because Dana is
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: on the other side. So it's always like a fight relationship.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: But once they're going to retire, they're going to see
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: a total different person. Same thing with the Fertz, the brother.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: These guys are all great guys. And every time I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: meet them, it's, hey, what's up, big hug. Dana, the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Fertz the Brother, all these guys. Yeah, we're all friends here.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Everything we did, the clashes that we had, it was
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: because we were fighting for the best of our interests.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: And it's normal. It's just business. And I think if
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: you want to be successful, especially as an athlete in
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: mixed martial arts, you need to build a team. You
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: can't do all that by yourself because you don't have
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: all the credential to do all the jobs. You need
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: to have lawyers, you need to find a team of
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: people that you can trust and people that have competence.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes people, they hire people who trust, but they
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: turned out to be incompetent. It's bad because it's going
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: to make you do like, how do you say, like
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: air bike. You're not going to go forward.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: You're going to spin, spin, spin.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: And if you have someone who's competent, but someone that
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: you cannot trust, maybe he's going to screw you down
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: the road.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: It's tough, man. Starting to run a business or work
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: with people, it's hard. But then you also like... I mean, I,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: one thing is like people criticize Dana and the UFC,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: but no other promotion has been able to sustain itself
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: and establish itself and make it go that, you know,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and flourish. Um, so I think it's, um, it's fascinating.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: And I think it is, I think he'll be studied
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: one day in the sense by business people of I mean,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. Because you have so many guys
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: that are really putting their lives on the line. And
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: then you have, you know, I just can't imagine. It's
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: got to be a lot, you know. What keeps you
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: busy these days, dude? Do you still get those dinosaur updates? Remember,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you were always.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love paleontology. Yeah, what is it about it
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: you think that you love? I was thinking about this
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: the other day. When I was young, I was always
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: fascinated by dinosaurs. And actually, when I took my time
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: off after my fight with Johnny Hendrix, I spent four years, like,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: I was always training, but I spent time, I went
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: on different sites. No way. Yeah, I, you know, I'm
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: very lucky because a lot of the, it turns out
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the big paleontologists that I've met,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: they're a fan of mixed martial art.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was able to have special access on
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: different- Probably mostly of John Bones Jones, though, you would think,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: you know? I'm just guessing. No, it was incredible. I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: traveled across the world. I went on different sites, but
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: I realized also something. As much as I love paleontology,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: I realized that I would never be able to do
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: this because I thought that if I would not be
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: a fighter, I would have maybe be a paleontologist. And no,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: that's not true. I would not never be able to
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: be a, on a big site for hours, like, like meticulous.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: It ain't me. No, I can't. I love to acquire
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: the knowledge, but I would not have the patience to,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: to go out there. I saw some incredible sites. I
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: went in, man, I went in a, in a, in
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: a place in an area in Argentina, in Patagonia. It
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: was in the morning, the sun rises. And I could see,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you, like thousands of dinosaurs eggshells. There
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: were eggshells of titanosaurs, the long neck dinosaurs. Man, it
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: was insane. And you had to watch to not step
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: on it, like fossilized eggshells. Some of them were broken.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: So that means the animal was about to get out.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: It was insane. Like I saw some of the craziest sightings.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And that was a dig? That they were doing? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: They were digging, they were excavating like eggshells. I went
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: on a place and I think it was in Dakota.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: I think it was Professor Pearson. They don't know what
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: it was, but they found sort of a graveyard of triceratops.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: In South Dakota?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: I think it was South Dakota or Wyoming. Yeah, triceratops.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: It was from the late Cretaceous. And you could see
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: that some of the leg bone of triceratops, they were
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: sliced because of Tyrannosaurus rex. Yeah. So they found Tyrannosaurus
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: rex teeth there. It was just insane.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: So you were a promoter, really, when it goes back
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: to the... paleontological ages, dude. You were a damn promoter, bro.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: You'd have put some of those things in the ring, bro.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe one day we'll be able to, I think they
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: want to resurrect the mammoth now, I think, to put
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: it back in Siberia.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Didn't they say they can recreate a woolly mammoth? Did
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I read that somewhere?
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to use Asian elephant.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: And just do a wig or whatever?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Put a mammoth inside and yeah, try to recreate it. Yeah,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: put it in Siberia. What weight class is that going
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: to be? Well, there's different species of mammoth. There's woolly mammoth,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Colombian mammoth. So it depends which species they want to,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's the woolly mammoth they want to bring back.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: A biotech company that hopes to resurrect extinct species said
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Wednesday that it has reached an important milestone, the creations
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: of a long-sought kind of stem cell for the closest
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: living relative of the woolly mammoth. And now the company
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: says scientists have for the first time created induced pluripotent
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: stem cells for the mammoth's closest living relative, Asian elephant. Oh, damn.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: It says scientists can now try to use cloning techniques
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: and gene editing to manipulate the cells in hopes of
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: someday creating elephants with key traits of mammoths. Wow, so
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: kind of like a bit of a remix, kind of.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Such as their heavy coats and their layers of fat
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: that enable them to survive in cold climates. Dude, that's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: what the zoo needs. Because honestly, dude, the zoo, some
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: of the animals are fucking not, even in America, some
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: of the animals are smoking. They don't even care, you know?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: They're not even- It's sad when you don't see them
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: in their natural environment.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: In a way, they do it, of course, because it's
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: not accessible to everyone. For example, if you want to
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: see a lion, you go to Africa. It costs a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: lot of money. But to see, you know, I've been
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: in zoos before, and I like to see animals in
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: their natural environment.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: You think you could take any animals? Are there any
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: animals you think you could take?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Man, we're so weak, man, and nature is crazy. Apparently,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: they say that even a chimp would kill you.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they say. It can just pull your
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: fucking balls off.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it pulls your balls, break your fingers, and rip
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: your face.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: You know that.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: When they go on crime scenes where chimps turns against
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: the human, that's what happens. It's crazy, man. I would
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: hate that. Because you cannot reproduce, you cannot climb away,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: and they take away your identity. I went to Rwanda.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: I had the chance to do a gorilla trekking. And
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: you see them like I'm seeing you.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Nuh-uh, this close.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that close. So when you go there, it's like...
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: In Rwanda. Yeah, in Rwanda, in Africa. It's in East Africa.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: And you take a car. It's about two hours away
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: from Kigali, which is, I think, the capital city. You
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: go there and they give you a course. They tell
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: you don't eat. If the gorilla look at you, don't
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: look him in the eyes. If he comes towards you,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: don't run away. Just get out of the way and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: put your knee on the floor in a submissive pause.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Don't talk loud. Don't ever touch the female and the kid.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: And when I went there, it was amazing. I... Oh yeah.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Is this it Nick?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: That's okay. So this guy, let me tell you about
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: this one. Why'd you dress for a funeral too? Listen
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: to like guys, guys, this is very interesting. So you
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: see what happened.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: So at during one instant during my, my, my, my
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: adventure there, I was with, I was with, I was with,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: with different people that were older than me. And I
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened at one point, the gorilla, because
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: what happened is, You hang out with the kids and
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: the female and the young. And once every 20 or
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes, the big silverback comes and he makes a noise.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: And the guy that is with you, every day he
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: sees the same family. So he's used to see the
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: same guide.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: But the tourists change. So the guide always answer back
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: to tell, hey, we're here. So he comes and sometimes
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: he look around to see if everything is okay. And
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: then he goes back in the forest every 10 minutes approximately.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: But once he came and he look at me. Did
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: he give your belt with you? Man, he look at me.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: And when he look at me, I look at him
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: just very fast and he start walking towards me like
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: he was pissed. Man, I got out of the way
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: and I put my knees down and I'm not a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: religious guy at all, but I became religious at that time.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: So I was like, please, please, please, please. And then
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: I opened my eyes. He's not in front of me.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: I look behind. I see his back, he put his
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: backs against me. He explained to me the reason why
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: the gorilla, he turned his back to me, is because
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: he wanted to show me how much I'm not of
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: a threat for him. To show you, like he turned
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: his back and he looked underneath his arm. So when
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: I looked back, I was like, man, I saw his back.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: He was just a threat, a test. I was like, man,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: he would have, even with all my years of training,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: he would have ripped me apart, man.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Did you feel like you stood any chance? You think
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: he could have got it to two rounds or no?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I read a document. apparently it's a report in, I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: think it's in Uganda. I read there's a military guy
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: that a gorilla grab and he, he pull, he rip
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: his head off like this.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Like it straight up from an horror movie. You grab
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: him and it's that strong. So there's nothing you can do, man.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: But what would you have done? You think?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: I think I would have tried to play that. There's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: nothing you can do if he wants to kill you.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Don't play a lot. The guy has two guys with him,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: with AK-47s.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they help.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, but you know, he told me it's not
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: because of the gorilla. It's in case we see an
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: elephant or a Cape buffalo. Apparently, it's so dense, I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: don't understand. Apparently, sometimes you could run... Run through a
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Cape Buffalo and they're extremely territorial.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Was that scarier than beating the cage?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it happens so fast. It's very different because it
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: happens so fast that you don't have time to prepare.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: So you just go with the flow. So I didn't
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: even have time to be scared that much. I was just,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I was trying, I was like, man, please, please, please.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Then I look. shit is in the back and I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: see his back and I could see the muscle through
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: the fur. I was like, man, it's so massive. It's insane.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Peterson's just standing there. That'd be crazy, man.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: It was one of the most incredible adventure of my life. Uh,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: I recommend that to everyone and the money that you
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: pay for that, that adventure is given to, uh, the gorilla,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: and now the gorilla in Rwanda, in that part of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: the world, are flourishing again.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's beautiful. So it's a beautiful thing, yeah. It
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: is awesome to take care of our planet and to
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: give back to it, you know? Because it's funny, because
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: somebody probably saw a gorilla one day and even thought
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: about getting in shape for the first time, you know
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You just don't know what we learn
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: from animals, you know? What keeps you busy these days, man?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm involved with, I have a home fitness equipment
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: brand called BaseBlockPro.com. It's all kinds of apparel that you
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: can use and train at home. it's in Canada or
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: US as well kinesthetics all around the world I need
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: to get something for home it's light you can put
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: some of them are outdoor friendly so you can put
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: it in your backyard some I recommend it's more for
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: backyard to put outside and some are more for inside
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: for home and yeah it's great I don't lift I
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: never lift weight really much and I'm a big fan
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: of kinesthetics you know I used to when I was
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: younger to lift weight but I realized that it's more
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: efficient to train kinesthetics.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: And kinesthetics is what?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gymnastics.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Your own body weight?
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So you have less risk of injuries and
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's more efficient.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: Base blocks.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, sweet, man.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to get something else for my home.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just getting a treadmill. So I got to have
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: something else for when... I can't go down to the gym.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I'll send you some. I'll tell my guy.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: That'd be awesome to have one, man.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Tell me which one you like. I recommend you the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Big Bar Pro. This one, if you have a backyard,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: put it in your backyard. It's outdoor friendly. And if
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: you want, like for your legs, this one is very good.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: It's for hamstring. Oh, I don't care about the legs.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: I'm up top only. I'll send you some stuff. I'll
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: tell the guy to send you some so he'll be
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: more than happy.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Um, are there some fighters right now that you love
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: to watch and you kind of cheer on? Do you
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: find yourself being a fan of MMA still? I mean,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's obviously been such a huge
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: part of your life. I don't know if it's something
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you just kind of close or if it's something that's
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: always in you kind of.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: One thing that has changed and now there's so many fights,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: there's almost every weekend. So I can't watch it all.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I can't watch all the shows, but I love to
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: watch some of the guys that I can learn from.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: I like to watch Tom Aspinall. Oh, yeah, he's fun.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: The fight of last weekend, Balal Mohamed, Leon Edwards, I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: watch it. I like Kamar Usman, Adesanya, Wachanowski, Makachev. I
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: like to watch the best so I can learn from them.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: Is it weird to look at them and be like,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: that was me? Because I think even as a comedian,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I'll watch comedy sometimes and I'll be like, It doesn't
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: seem like, I know it's different person, but it doesn't
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: even seem like that's my job. Does that ever happen
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: to you? Do you ever have like this Clark Kent
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: feeling when you're walking down the street that you're also Superman?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: I mean. No, I think what made me good is
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: because I possess certain set of skills that made me unique.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: But some of the guys that are competing now, they
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: have their own set of skills. And I think I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: can learn from them, you know, by watching them, I'm
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: learning from them. And, you know, of course it may,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: maybe they can learn from me or so it's impossible
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: to be completely a hundred percent well-rounded. You always have
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: certain things that you do better than, than, than others.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: And that's why I like the sport so much. Some
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: guys are better at, for example, at, at grappling. So
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: one guy is, his strength might be, uh, his ground
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: and pound. One guy might be his submission skills. One
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: guy might be his, you know, like Pereira. He's got
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: an incredible left hook. We all know he's got a
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: left hook, but nobody, they all know the left hook
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: is coming, but they don't know how to stop it.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. And left hook is one of the most
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: fundamental punch that you learn in day one. And, It works.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: It's one of the most basic weapon, but he does
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: it so well. He hides it. He hides it so well.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: And the way he does it, even though it's so basic,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: nobody can stop it. It's crazy.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating almost, isn't it? How something simple can be,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: and so obvious in a way, can be so surprising.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: He used different diversion, different distraction to get it on.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. And that's what I like about the sport.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: It's like a chess game, you know? Oh, it's fascinating too.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I think as, you know, I've been a fan now,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: like a big fan for probably maybe almost six or
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: seven years now. And you get to know the fighters
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: more a little bit too on a personal, you know, like,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: because there's so much social media, you get to know
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: more about them and kind of cheer from in different
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: ways and stuff. Um, but there's all types of guys
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: who were outspoken. There's guys who were kind of reserved.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: There's guys who were playing cat and mouse and there's
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: guys who were just about getting in the ring. Um,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: have you, do you, have you gotten into anything else competitive? Uh,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: is there something else that you do?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: I used to, when I was young, I used to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: play chess.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: You really? Yeah.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Growing up, I was more of a, more of a nerd,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: you know, at school. And I was, I was victim
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: of bullying at school. So that's why I first, I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: start a martial art. I started karate at a young
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: age as a self-defense. Then later on it developed into
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: a passion, passion to transform into a way I make
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: a living.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: You should pull up on those guys right now.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: But I used to, I remember in order to, to
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: miss school, I was, I was, I was enrolling into
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: chess because I was representing my school. And then once
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: you win the school, you go to, how do you say,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: like the regional. And then once I go to regional,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: you go to Montreal where it's the provincial. And I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: never made it past that. I won the school, I
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: won the regional, but when I went to Montreal, I
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: never even won a match in the provincial. Because these guys,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: that's what they do. You know, that's their, you know. Me,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: I was just doing that for fun. And I was
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: a kid back then, so it was fun. Yeah, well,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: you found other ways to win, man. Oh, yeah, the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Olympics are going on. Oh, that's, yeah, the Olympics, man.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. There's big, like, people, like, now they talk
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: about what happened, the controversy.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: With the woman fighter?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: You mean?
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, they, they talk about the, the, the, the ceremony,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: the opening ceremony.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. They thought it was anti-Catholic.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Yes. I, I, I, I was in Miami, uh, when
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: that happened and I saw on the news, I was,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I'm going to try to watch it.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: But now they took out, they took it out of YouTube.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: So you can't, I don't think you can see it anymore.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: So I, um, I tried to, I tried to find
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: a way, but I just saw some part of it
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: and I speak French. I was like, God, I was like,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: I try to not be politic, but there are certain
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: things that man, it's like, is there a darkness at home?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: You know, like you don't have to, to show the world,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't care who you sleep with, what
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: you do. I mean, I like you as a person if, uh,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this seems a little crazy for the Olympics, I think.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. It changes. That's one thing that changed over
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: the year. Like, we didn't have that before, you know?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: This is kind of... It seems crazy. Like, maybe the
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: world is so crazy that I don't even know the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: world anymore. That's what I start to wonder, too, sometimes. Yeah.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, this stuff seems like, what do we do?
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: What sport is this?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just what sport is it? But,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I probably... You know, I don't know.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: It's a different time. I mean, I don't know what
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: to make of it. I mean.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: It's dark forces at play, it feels like, sometimes.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: I am not really.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: You like going down the conspiracy rabbit holes, though. It's fun.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: And also, the crazy part about the conspiracies is, remember during, like, pandemic,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: like they said, all these things, and half of them
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: were true. And it was like, well, fucking....
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: I was very angry about what was going on in Canada.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't like the way it was run. during the pandemic,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: I was very pissed off. I didn't like it. I
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: think it was an attack on our freedom. We had
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: curfew and this. And this, I'm not afraid. Some people
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, you shouldn't become political. This is not right.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: This is about, I think it's about freedom. I was
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: not happy about the decision that were made. I think
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: it was an attack on the freedom. And I think
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: everybody should have had the decision of choosing the right
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: to make the decision, do I want to be vaccinated
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: or not? But if you're not vaccinated, you're not allowed
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: to do this, do this. Like, man, you have no life.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: This was wrong. I don't agree with that decision.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it started to feel like privatized communism to me
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: in a way. It's like, you know, it's like the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: bait of the government, but really it's like private entities
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: doing it. And I wish I'd spoken up more. I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: think there were times for me, You know, I just
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: felt like kind of scared or I didn't feel brave
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: or I didn't know some things.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: They would have canceled you.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: But that's crazy.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: They could have canceled you. That's the thing. That's the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: thing about it. I mean, it depends. In Nashville, I
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: don't know. Nashville, Tennessee, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: They can't really cancel you that much there. Yeah, but
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: in Canada, it's different.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Like people don't understand, but it was different. We had
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: a curfew. it was crazy. Like, uh, man, I couldn't
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: get out of the country. I had business to do.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: You know, my business is international. I had to travel.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: So I had no choice.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: I did it. But I think he, I think I
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: was not agree with the decision.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's my right to say so. Right. And
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: if I would have said it at a time, maybe
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: they would have like put down my Instagram, put down
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: all my, my stuff.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: I know that's what's it. It's really, it feels like
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: big tech is kind of the government now, you know, but, um, Man,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: it's just an honor to sit down with such a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: champion these days and just get to have a chance
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: to spend time with you, George. And do you, you know,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: they have the thing in the Olympics right now. They
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: have a boxer who they, who has like, Oh yeah.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: It's a female boxer. Right. And, but she, she was
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: born a female and is a female.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Let me say her name.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Iman Khalif.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Algeria.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Iman Khalif. And, and she's crushing it and she hasn't
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: won all of her fights and, Um, but there's people,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: it's been a huge uproar online because I guess she
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: had higher testosterone levels and she wasn't allowed to compete
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: in the world boxing championships. Um, do you think at
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: some point, cause this just appears to be something that
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: kind of happens more where there's some gray area in
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: between gender, right?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think they should just have a, a new division?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: Well, what, what, what this, I don't know. enough information
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: about that particular situation to give an opinion on it
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: because I might be wrong. But one thing I can
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: tell you, when you're born as a man and then
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: you change your sex and then after you go compete
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: as a woman, this I think is disgusting. Yeah. This,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to say it and stand up for
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: that because I love women and I think they need
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: to be protected, especially in combat sport. This, I'm not
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: agree with this. I agree, I want everybody to have equal,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: to have the equal right, but when you have someone
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: who's born as a man who changes sex as a woman,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: and then compete, I think he should have his own category.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: That would be fair because otherwise it's unfair. We're different. Like,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, why? Okay, I'm going to change my sex
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: and go compete in the UFC and make a comeback
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: in the woman division. What do you think can happen?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's not fair. Maybe some
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: of them will kick my ass, but I think I
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: will do pretty well. Andrade might give you a run.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of ladies out there that would give
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: you a run.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I agree. They, and they should solve it.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's not fair. Also, if people are dealing
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: with this, their own sexual identity, and they don't know,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: create a new division so that they can be there
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: and be the pioneers of a new division. You know,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: it's like, then that way it's like, they're getting to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: be a part of something new. They're getting to fight
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: against like-minded, um, people. I don't know, but I agree.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: They should have their own division, I think. if you're
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: born in a different gender, because man, it's really not fair.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: People have no idea the difference, but man, it's huge difference.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's- It's a huge difference.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Oh God, we've seen in tennis, you know, like I
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: think is it, I think it's Serena Williams, she played
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: tennis against- Oh.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she got it.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: You know, and it has, it was done in boxing
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: too with a few time I would, she's a Dutch
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: champion in kickboxing. She, she fought a man in boxing
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: and you know, and this, these like in tennis is
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: different because it's a game basketball, it's a game, but
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: when it's combat sport, I think we should, we should protect, protect,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: protect our females.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: And the men should speak up for that, you know?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: The men should speak up for that, you know?
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: The problem is sometimes when you speak up to that,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: you get pointed by the finger and, ah, this is unfair, but.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: That's the media that's fucking... They're sick. Yeah. But here is...
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: There's a fight in BJJ, actually, in... Is it the...
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Craig Jones Invitational, he's doing his tournament the same weekend
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: as ADCC, and the main event is going to be
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: him versus Gabby Garcia.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: So, now this, though, they're both agreeing... that they want
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: to do it.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry for my ignorance. Gabby Garcia is a... Female.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: She's a female, female. It's not like... Yeah. Okay, okay, okay.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: But lots of help.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course. A lot of enhancement. Okay, wow.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: But is it like a novelty fight, sort of? Or
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: more like a... He's competing against the ADCC, so he's
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: doing this to get all the eyeballs on it. He's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: doing it the same weekend.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Craig Jones is one of the best grapplers
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: of the planet.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: So he's probably going to, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know enough about Gabby. Yeah, I heard.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: About that event, that it was like a million-dollar event,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: and in the same time as the Abu Dhabi event,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: but I... Don't know all the detail on it.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Okay, that's her. That is her.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: My gosh, boy.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I am. She's bigger than him, right?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I got to get to the gym.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, but Craig Jones is one of the best. Yeah.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: One of the best. It should be interesting. What about
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: just in jujitsu? Can women compete as well in there
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: if there's not striking? Well, they can compete woman against woman,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: but Against man, it's still the strength.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: The strength is different. And there's a lot of factor to,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a specialist in that, but the
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: bone density, there's a lot of factors. I mean, there's things. First,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: I think women are better than men. They can give
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: birth and there's, we couldn't, we couldn't endure that. Like
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: women are better than men. You know, this is what
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: I believe, but there's one thing that we have better
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: than what we have. Normally we're more physically stronger and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: we have certain advantage. And that's why there's different category. There's,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: there's men and women. And that's why, you know, to
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: make it fair, but, uh, it's the same thing. Of course,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: if you take a woman, for example, who's, who's has
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of experience, uh, make her fight a man
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: who does not have any experience, the woman can kick
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: his ass. 100%. But if you go to the elite level,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: it will be pretty unlikely.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It'd be interesting, though.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Now, that kind of stuff, I think, is a little
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: bit more, you know, it's like we're both agreeing to
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: do this thing, you know? Rosh, man, thanks so much, dude.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: It's so cool.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, man.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really awesome and just... just really cool to
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: be in the presence of, um, somebody that's achieved such
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: greatness in their life that got in and got out. And, um, yeah.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Do you have any other big goals in your life
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: right now? Do you feel like, well, I feel pretty
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: content or does that, does that, does, does a person
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: that's a perfectionist kind of, I'm kind of a perfectionist too.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: I think, do you ever get content? Do you feel like.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: I never, I'm never satisfied. Now I'm more of an
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: entrepreneur now and, and that's my goal. I'm, I'm very lucky.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: I was able to transfer that, that hunger that I
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: had in, in mixed martial art. I wanted to be
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: the best, be the champion. Now I transfer it into,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: you know, into a business, you know, and, or into
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: my person. I wanted to be a better person and,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm happy, you know, like, if things go
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: well for me, I have enough to live for the
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: rest of my life. And I, if I don't go
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: crazy and I'm, you know what I mean? I'm trying
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: to be happy. I think the ultimate goal, right? For
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: everyone is to be happy.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: There is different ways that you can use to attain that, that,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: that feeling, but it's to be happy, you know? And I'm, uh,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: right now I'm very happy. I'm healthy. I'm happy. And, uh,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: are your parents pretty proud of you? Yeah, they're very happy. Um,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: My parents, in the beginning, they didn't want me to fight.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: And I understand them. It's not something that you want.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: It's not a life that you wish for someone you love.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Most kids, you tell them not to fight. Man, I'm
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: going to tell you something that happened to me all
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: the time. There is a parent that comes to me
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: with their kids and they're like, Hey, George, this is
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: the future world champion. And then I go, oh, hi,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: how old are you? He's like, yeah, he's 12 years old. Oh, yeah,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: you train martial arts? He's like, yeah, it's good. But
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: remember something, stay at school, man, and you need to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: be educated. That's your number one priority. And the problem
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: that a lot of athletes, and not only in MMA,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: in everything, in Canada, we have a lot of that
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: example in hockey, but it could be basketball, football. A
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: lot of athletes, they put their eggs all in the
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: same basket.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: So they all want, they all dream to be a
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: professional athlete, but something happened. They get hit by a car, boom,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: or they get an injury. Like they break their ACL
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: or their knees or something happened. Now their career is gone.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: They're never going to come back the same. And what
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: happened if that incident happened when you're like in your
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: late twenties? There's nothing that you can fall back into
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: if you don't have school. There's nothing. So it's an assurance.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: I quit school when I was fighting Matthews, before my
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: fight with Matthews. So my parents forced me to stay
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: at school, to stay educated. And it was one of
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: the best things they did.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Because you quit college then?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, I wanted to quit everything, but I was studying
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: in kinesiology.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: But I didn't like what I was doing at the time.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I was changing all the time. One
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: time I tried to be a fireman. I had many jobs.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: One time I was... was working in nightclubs as a security.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: And I, I, to pay my university fee, I was
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: a garbage man for seven months. Really? Yeah. I collect
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: the garbage, man. That's why I did. And I did it. And, and,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: but I was always forced. My parents always forced me
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: to stay educated. And when I, when I tell the kids,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: I say, man, train, you know, but, I wish you
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: the best, but the odds of success are very low,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: you know, and even you're so talented and you work
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: really hard, that does not mean you're going to make
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: it because that chance or success are so low. Make
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: sure you stay educated. And if something goes wrong and
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: you cannot achieve it, at least you have something to
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: fall back into. Yeah. And maybe you're going to change
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: your mind. You know what I mean? You're not the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: same person at 15 that you will be at 20
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: and at 25 things changes.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to become when I
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: was young. And I'm sure the same for you.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: Like I wanted to be a police, a cops at
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: one point. Then I wanted to be a fireman. Then
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I wanted to do a therapist. Then
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: a paleontologist. Then I'm like, oh, I'm going to be
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: a fighter. You know what I mean? But the fighter
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: was always in my mind since the beginning. But I
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: needed to have a backup plan. I didn't know what
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: to do. I realized when I had my first title
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: shot that, It was an opportunity of a lifetime. And
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: that's when I had a talk with my parents. I
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: told my parents, I said, listen, I'm going to quit
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: the next session. Because I'm going to train full time
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: because I have a title shot. If that doesn't work,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: I can always go back next season to school. But
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: the title shot might never come present. The chance for
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: the title might not ever present itself again. So I'm
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: going to take a chance and I'm going to go
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: full out. And I went full out. I lost my
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: first title shot, but I rebound immediately. And then I
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: end up winning the title. And that's all everything else. Uh,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: started for, for, for me in the, in the UFC.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: Did they come to your fights to your folks?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: Did they come to your fights?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: They, they came to my fight. Um, my, uh, my parent,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: when it was local, but when I, uh, my mom
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: came to my fight, when I fought for the title
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: in Sacramento, when I won the title, but my dad
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't like to fly. He's afraid of airplane. It's crazy.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: He's afraid of airplanes. You're afraid of nothing, which is
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: kind of ironic. I'm afraid of a lot of things,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: but I'm willing to do it.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: That's the difference. Willing to commit.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, George St.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Pierre.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: I appreciate your time and yeah, just helping us learn
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: more about fighting and more about the mentality of being
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: a champion and the ups and downs of it, you know,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: that not everything's perfect, but that we keep moving forward
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: and challenging ourselves. I appreciate it so much, man.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man. Thank you for the opportunity. I appreciate it.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Cheers, brother.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: bones But it's gonna take