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Ask the Expert – Brett Hodgdon: Spring Foundation Maintenance, Water Infiltration, and When to Call a Pro · WCHS Network Podcasts

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, it is twenty two minutes past eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: am del Cooper on five ADWCHS and welcome into the
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Speaker 2: studio this morning. It is Brett Hauschen is here, the
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Speaker 2: owner of Foster Foundation Repair, back in for another week
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Speaker 2: talking about structural repairs, foundations and things like that in
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Speaker 2: the state of West Virginia. Good morning, How you doing
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Speaker 2: this morning?
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Speaker 3: Doing well? Yeah, the weather is beautiful for for our
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Speaker 3: line of work work. Oh yeah, getting into the outside,
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Speaker 3: big dig out weather where we're actually getting into the
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Speaker 3: bigger projects. The waterproofings, and I've got one coming up
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Speaker 3: that's a foundation that we're actually going to rebuild a foundation,
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Speaker 3: uh two of two of the walls, not the whole
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Speaker 3: the whole thing, but uh that's very near collapse. So
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Speaker 3: we're getting into our our bigger, our bigger stuff. We're
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Speaker 3: not trapped in cross spaces and and basements.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you guys do a lot of of of
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Speaker 2: large projects and things like that. On on my scale
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Speaker 2: of things, I really like this kind of weather because,
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Speaker 2: for example, this past weekend was really nice to do
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Speaker 2: some outdoors work, but not all of the brush and
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Speaker 2: brambles have grown in all the way, So if I
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Speaker 2: want to do some like yard clearing and stuff like,
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Speaker 2: that was a great weekend for that because you didn't
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Speaker 2: have all the debris in the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's certainly a good time to get out
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Speaker 3: there and do your spring maintenance, which is which is
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Speaker 3: very important as it relates to just upkeep, but also
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Speaker 3: for for the foundation of your house. You got to
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Speaker 3: make sure everything is draining properly away from from the foundation.
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Speaker 3: It seems like most of the time I'm talking about
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Speaker 3: water and water related issues, but it is really what
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Speaker 3: we address in our industry are either water related water
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Speaker 3: issues or the results of unmitigated water related issues that
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Speaker 3: have been at present for a long time. And that's
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Speaker 3: typically when you get into the foundation issues. Is it's
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Speaker 3: the unmitigated foundation issue or unmitigated water related issues. So
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Speaker 3: we're either addressing the water itself upfront, which is typically
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Speaker 3: a reasonable, reasonably cost issue, or we're addressing the bigger
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Speaker 3: issue that's the water and the result of the water,
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Speaker 3: unmitigated water.
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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. And I know that
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Speaker 2: water can cause I mean, there's just so many ways
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Speaker 2: that water can cause problems into a property. I mean,
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Speaker 2: degregation of materials is one thing, but the humidity also
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Speaker 2: will play a role into that because that could also
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Speaker 2: cause wood to expand and contract and different stuff like that,
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Speaker 2: not to mention the living environment that it could that
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Speaker 2: it could foster with with different mold and different things
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Speaker 2: like adam. Water could be a big issue with somebody.
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Speaker 2: Moisture can be Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, water vapor is very very destructive. I've seen in
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Speaker 3: crawl space where it's literally raining in a crawl space
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Speaker 3: where there's so much water vapor it's condensed on the
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Speaker 3: on the floor system or the insulation and if the
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Speaker 3: conditions are right, it will start dripping. I've seen that
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Speaker 3: same moisture eventually work its way into an attic and
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Speaker 3: turn into frost on the underside of the roof sheathing
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Speaker 3: in the winter. So yeah, water water from a basement
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Speaker 3: or a cross space, or water vapor from a basement
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Speaker 3: or a cross space can certainly create major major issues
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Speaker 3: like mold mold. Eventually the mold is actually consuming the
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Speaker 3: wood framing in the in a crawl space, so that
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Speaker 3: can turn into decay. And then of course that moisture
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Speaker 3: also invites wood destroying insect activities.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that not good stuff at all. So there
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Speaker 2: are things that you need to be aware of. And
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the structural integoricy of your house.
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Speaker 2: One kind of a side question as far as that
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Speaker 2: when it comes to moisture, can vegetation lead to uh,
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Speaker 2: drawing in more moisture into a home, Like if you
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Speaker 2: have bushes or trees or something close to the foundation
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Speaker 2: of your home connect to causing problems, so it doesn't.
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Speaker 3: Necessarily bring more moisture into the home. But if you
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Speaker 3: have a crawl space, uh, mature vegetation, mature vegetation around
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Speaker 3: the foundation can restrict airflow if you have a vented
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Speaker 3: crawl space. Uh So, a lot of times you'll you'll
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Speaker 3: have perfectly a perfectly set up crawl space for ventilation,
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Speaker 3: but the vegetation around the building prevents that that that
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Speaker 3: air movement. Also, you get vegetation around a house, the
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Speaker 3: root system is going to migrate to the drainage pipes,
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Speaker 3: especially if you have a French drain or a properly
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Speaker 3: functioning foundation drain that is where the water is being collected,
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Speaker 3: and the roots tend to to to grow into those
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Speaker 3: perforated pipes. We've cut into pipes that it looks like
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Speaker 3: they're completely full. It looks like a sponge inside theages.
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Speaker 3: It's just like a network of roots and that basically
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Speaker 3: that effectively blocks the flow of water, which can then
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Speaker 3: result in again water related issues. So no vegetation around
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Speaker 3: a building is my recommendation is to keep it small,
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Speaker 3: large large trees. When we get into drought seasons. It
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Speaker 3: seems like anytime I'm addressing drought related settlement, there is
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Speaker 3: a mature oak tree within twenty feet of the foundation.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, vegetation certainly is a factor around
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Speaker 3: around the foundation.
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Speaker 2: I had a just a bunch of the person that
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Speaker 2: have the house before me try to put some bushes
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Speaker 2: and stuff in around the house, and it got out
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Speaker 2: of control and grew up close to the house. And
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Speaker 2: tried to control it for years. And the problem I
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Speaker 2: had on that side of the house is as no
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Speaker 2: sun got there anyway, and it seemed like those bushes
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Speaker 2: were just constantly drawn and it was basically turned the
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Speaker 2: whole thing into moss like it was like bushes and moss.
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Speaker 2: And I noticed that this year. Last year I had
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Speaker 2: all those removes, I took them out, took everything out
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Speaker 2: and trying to let the yard repair on that side
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Speaker 2: of the house. And I noticed, especially this weekend when
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Speaker 2: I was out going, the moss seems to be receding.
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Speaker 2: The moisture is not quite as bad over there. And
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Speaker 2: I have some home like we Oh, maybe that will
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Speaker 2: help some with some of the crazy moisture around the
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Speaker 2: base of my house, because it was just getting really bad.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mosses typically a result of the lack of sunlight,
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Speaker 3: so vegetation certainly will contribute to that a lot of times.
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Speaker 3: That's going to be on the north side of the
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Speaker 3: house too. That naturally doesn't get a lot of sun
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Speaker 3: throughout the.
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Speaker 2: Winter, so and when again, and it seems like when
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Speaker 2: we talk have these conversations and there's so much we
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Speaker 2: talked about the house being kind of a living and
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Speaker 2: breathing organism, and what that means is sometimes during the
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Speaker 2: change of the seasons, that's when you start noticing things
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Speaker 2: where it's not a bad idea to take a look
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Speaker 2: at some of the symptoms. It might come around a
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Speaker 2: house that's having some foundation or some issues or different
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Speaker 2: things along those lines. As far as homeowners go, coming
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Speaker 2: into spring and with our terrain and everything around here,
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Speaker 2: is what are the types of projects that you're working
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Speaker 2: on the types of things that are that are prominentt
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Speaker 2: this time of year.
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Speaker 3: So it's began, you know, we just came out of
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Speaker 3: winter and we're sort of moving into the spring. We
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Speaker 3: haven't had a terribly wet spring like I would normally
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Speaker 3: have expected, but normally this time of year we're going
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Speaker 3: to be seeing water related issues, either water entry, water infiltration,
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Speaker 3: or when the ground gets saturated. A lot of times
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Speaker 3: we'll see soil heave or from our expansive clay soils
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Speaker 3: that will cause bowing of walls. We certainly had some
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Speaker 3: of that this winter with that major frost at what
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Speaker 3: two three week period of time we had where it
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Speaker 3: was very very cold, So I saw a lot of
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Speaker 3: frost related issues from that, But right now it's primarily
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Speaker 3: water related. Are a lot of the calls that we
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Speaker 3: get or or people getting getting getting ready to put
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Speaker 3: their house on the market, which for us were that's
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Speaker 3: we're a little behind the eight ball there because we
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Speaker 3: wouldn't we wouldn't be to them until the till the summer.
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Speaker 3: But those are yeah, I mean, really this time of year,
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Speaker 3: our main focus is going to be on our exterior
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Speaker 3: dig outs, the bigger projects that we had one or
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Speaker 3: two that held over from from the fall that because
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Speaker 3: we don't do these big digouts in the winter, so
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Speaker 3: we had one or two that held over from last
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Speaker 3: year that we're going to We're getting ready to ramp
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Speaker 3: up on in the next week or so.
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Speaker 2: A couple questions that I was thinking about on the
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Speaker 2: way here this morning. I wrote down some stuff. Again,
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Speaker 2: I kind of associated this with a lot of stuff
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Speaker 2: I was doing this weekend. So I was doing some
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Speaker 2: yard clean up and around my house and different things
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Speaker 2: like that. I started thinking, you know, one of the
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Speaker 2: things that you know, you're out and maybe you're pressure
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Speaker 2: washing off your driveway or something like that, and you're
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Speaker 2: noticing some cracks in your driveway, you know, some little
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Speaker 2: hairline cracks or something going through your driveway, maybe some
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Speaker 2: sunken concrete on portions of your your driveway or something
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Speaker 2: like that. What is the line there where? Okay, concrete settles,
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Speaker 2: you get cracks in your in your driveway. That's probably
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Speaker 2: relatively normal too. That crack looks kind of concerning. I
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Speaker 2: should give somebody a call.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's a great question, just because of
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Speaker 3: what I did over my weekend. Personally, I spent my
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Speaker 3: weekend actually ceiling the joints, the control joints in my
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Speaker 3: in my driveway and It's been on my list for
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Speaker 3: a long time. The main reason is when I when
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Speaker 3: we wash our car, water would run across the driveway,
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Speaker 3: hit a joint, disappear into the joint and then come
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Speaker 3: out of the ground at the end of the driveway.
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Speaker 3: So I know, I've known I've had this issue for
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Speaker 3: a while. But as part of this project, we also
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Speaker 3: had a section of our concrete that had settled and
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Speaker 3: we don't we actually don't do concrete lifting with Polly.
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Speaker 3: There's there's two different forms slab jacking with or pressure
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Speaker 3: grouting with a limestone slurry, and then there's a polypoam injection,
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Speaker 3: and we don't do We don't do that type of work.
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Speaker 3: There are certainly times when that is appropriate. I actually
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Speaker 3: just had a company come out of Lexington come into Charles,
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Speaker 3: coming to my home in Winfield to lift this slab,
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Speaker 3: And there are times where that's appropriate, but more often
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Speaker 3: than not it's more appropriate to take it out and
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Speaker 3: replace it. In my situation, it was appropriate because it
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Speaker 3: was out in the middle of nowhere, there's no nothing
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Speaker 3: around it. It was just subsidence of the slab as
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Speaker 3: a result of uncontrolled water. Water was running underneath the
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Speaker 3: slab and eroding the soil that supported it. So lifting
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Speaker 3: it was a very viable option. So they came out
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Speaker 3: and actually did this yesterday. They called me at four
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Speaker 3: forty five and said can we come do this? I
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Speaker 3: said sure, So they came out lifted. It took about
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Speaker 3: two hours, and I guess this week and I'll finish
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Speaker 3: the ceiling the joints around that. But but so anytime
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Speaker 3: you have large enough cracks where water will actually inflow
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Speaker 3: and and run under the slab, you definitely want to
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Speaker 3: get those sealed. And it's not it's not a difficult process.
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Speaker 3: It's painful, as I found out, it's very it's just
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Speaker 3: crawling around and installing sealants and sealants that keep everything
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Speaker 3: sealed up. But it is it is very important, you know,
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Speaker 3: for a driveway. The risk is that you get some
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Speaker 3: settlements and cracks that develop.
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Speaker 1: The problem.
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Speaker 3: One of the issues that and this is the primary
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Speaker 3: reason we don't get in the lifting of concrete, is
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Speaker 3: is there's a lot of times when it's most appropriate
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Speaker 3: that the concrete just be removed and replaced, there's some
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Speaker 3: issue underneath that concrete that needs to be addressed. I
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Speaker 3: went out to a house in Ashland, Kentucky, earlier in
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Speaker 3: the week, where a local company had done the foam
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Speaker 3: injection underneath a concrete slab that was the front porch,
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Speaker 3: and it was an elevated porch, so there was a
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Speaker 3: central a foundation wall that came up three to four feet,
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Speaker 3: and then there was the porch, so you had to
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Speaker 3: walk up to the front porch and they tried to
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Speaker 3: lift the front porch slab, which they did, but in
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Speaker 3: the process they also pushed in the front foundation wall
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Speaker 3: the house and pushed out the front wall of the porch.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, Because anytime you're injecting a liquid under a
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Speaker 3: slab under pressure, it's exerting pressure in three hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty degrees or whatever in all directions, so you're actually
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Speaker 3: using the walls to kind of act the force that
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Speaker 3: it takes to lift. So there's an engineer on that project.
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Speaker 3: They recommended basically removing and replacing the entire porch. So
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Speaker 3: this this two three thousand dollars lift process that seemed
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Speaker 3: like a great idea, a quick, cheap solution, is going
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Speaker 3: to end up being pushing six figures. Is a very
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Speaker 3: large porch, so it's going to be pushing six figures
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Speaker 3: to replace this per the other engineer's recommendations.
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Speaker 2: But what a thing to kind of stumble into the
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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, that's again maybe a good idea to
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Speaker 2: get a couple of different uh uh looks at a
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Speaker 2: at a project and to make sure that you that
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Speaker 2: you're you're looking at all the angles, because if you
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Speaker 2: miss something like that, that's pretty pretty major.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the main my reason for going
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Speaker 3: down that is the quick, inexpensive fix that makes might
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Speaker 3: make sense. There there are risks, so potential risks, especially
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Speaker 3: with concrete lifting. I've that's that's an extreme scenario. I've
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Speaker 3: heard of other scenarios where uh there was a disconnected
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Speaker 3: pipe below the slab and they ended up filling the
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Speaker 3: sewer with with this foam or or oh geez, very
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Speaker 3: viscous uh slurry, and then you're instead of just lifting
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Speaker 3: the lab, now you're cutting your slab and replacing parts
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Speaker 3: of your sewer. So there are certainly risks. Anytime I've
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Speaker 3: ever been associated with a process where where we are injecting,
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Speaker 3: we always we always require that the sewer lines be
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Speaker 3: evaluated with the drain camera and also a flood test,
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Speaker 3: which is essentially you purposely plug off the sewer line,
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Speaker 3: fill the sewer line up with water to the essentially
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Speaker 3: like a basement toilet, and see if the water drains off,
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Speaker 3: and if it doesn't, then you know you don't have
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Speaker 3: any breaks in the sewer line. So those are those
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Speaker 3: are things that we do, which is we don't do.
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Speaker 3: You know, we bring this company in from Lexington when
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Speaker 3: we do this type of work, but we don't do
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Speaker 3: it very often.
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Speaker 2: It's great information and I'm learning a lot yet again
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Speaker 2: Before we go to the break, because we were talking
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Speaker 2: about driveways there, I wanted to kind of dovetail off
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Speaker 2: of that and talk a little bit about like rogers
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Speaker 2: and outbuildings because it seems like that because of what
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Speaker 2: they're used for, they're not heated or not heated as
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Speaker 2: much and not cooled as much. I mean, there might
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Speaker 2: be some, but most of them probably aren't. So they
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Speaker 2: go through freest thaw cycles usually have heavy equipment sitting
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Speaker 2: in them and different things along those lines. Do those
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Speaker 2: get will those get more cosmetic cracks more often than
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Speaker 2: what you would see in concrete elsewhere? Or again, are
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Speaker 2: those if you see a crack as that you better
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Speaker 2: get it evaluated right away?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it certainly depends on the value of
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Speaker 3: the structure, you know, if it's it's a low value outbuilding. No,
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Speaker 3: I mean that's just it kind of depends on the
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Speaker 3: value and the importance to the to the individual. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean, the same cracks that affect a house foundation
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Speaker 3: will affect a detached garage foundation. So again I think
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Speaker 3: the value, the value of the building it probably plays
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Speaker 3: a the importance of it to the owner is the
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Speaker 3: one of would be the primary driving factors to how
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Speaker 3: much someone to be willing to invest in keeping it
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Speaker 3: from from moving.
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Speaker 2: It's it's amazing and and washing has plenty of and
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Speaker 2: once you get very rural, you see plenty of outbuildings.
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Speaker 2: When I lived in Michigan, one of the I guess
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Speaker 2: the features of Michigan real estate is you go just
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Speaker 2: barely into the suburban area and suddenly you have tons
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Speaker 2: of flat land with acreage, and everybody had like a
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Speaker 2: big house with a couple outbuildings on it. It was
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Speaker 2: just like one of the things that was the benefit
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Speaker 2: for owning property. And they saw a lot of stuff
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Speaker 2: like that up up there.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Voice of Charleston five EIGHTWCCHS. The
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Speaker 2: Voice of Charleston. I'm Del Cooper and in studio with
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Speaker 2: him this morning is Bretta Hashton. He's the owner of
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Speaker 2: Foster Foundation Repair taking your phone calls and your texts.
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Speaker 2: If you have any questions about your foundation, your basement,
19:02
Speaker 2: anything along those lines, you can give Bred a call
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Speaker 2: three zer four three four five fifty eight fifty eight.
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Speaker 2: You can also text over messages to three zerre four
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Speaker 2: nine three five five zeros or eighth three zero four
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Speaker 2: nine three five five zero zero eighth and get questions
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Speaker 2: over that way. More information online at Foster Foundation Repair
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Speaker 2: dot com. Foster Foundation Repair dot com. We had a
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Speaker 2: text message just came in last time from the three
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Speaker 2: zer four eight four three We uh, actually I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it was last time or long ago than that,
19:26
Speaker 2: but anyway, we bought a foreclosure and the cross space
19:29
Speaker 2: has some old, broken down block columns under the floor.
19:32
Speaker 2: The floors above are soft. Do you handle something like that?
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we do a lot of cross space work.
19:39
Speaker 3: We go in and temporarily support things if necessary, remove
19:43
Speaker 3: the old footers, the old support post, the old block whatever,
19:48
Speaker 3: whatever needs to be done, take that out poor new
19:50
Speaker 3: concrete and put in new Typically we'll put in a
19:53
Speaker 3: new steel post, in a new steel beam. Those are
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Speaker 3: for our for us, that's typically the the cost effective
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Speaker 3: way to do that.
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Speaker 1: But we'll yes, we'll.
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Speaker 3: Put in new new footings, new posts, new beams, if ness,
20:07
Speaker 3: if need be one thing, you know, kind of off
20:10
Speaker 3: that topic. One thing to be cautious about is that
20:14
Speaker 3: there's a a the industry for some reason has decided
20:18
Speaker 3: to go to round plastic pieces that they call a footer.
20:24
Speaker 3: It's like a twelve or probably like sixteen inch diameter
20:28
Speaker 3: piece of plastic that they go in the crawl space,
20:31
Speaker 3: that's set it on the ground and they put a
20:32
Speaker 3: steel jack post on it, and that's what they call
20:34
Speaker 3: a foundation. That is that is a cost savings measure
20:40
Speaker 3: for UH, for the contractor. We do we do not
20:43
Speaker 3: do that, but there's a lot of contractors, well in
20:46
Speaker 3: my industry, there's not a lot of contractors. There's there's
20:48
Speaker 3: a couple of contractors that is now their standard way
20:51
Speaker 3: of repairing a floor system. So I do I would
20:55
Speaker 3: caution individuals out there that if they are looking into
20:59
Speaker 3: this type of work, that they find out what kind
21:01
Speaker 3: of footing that will be installed, and and and in
21:04
Speaker 3: my opinion, a reinforced concrete footing is the most appropriate
21:08
Speaker 3: footing for a house in all circumstances.
21:12
Speaker 2: One of the things that kind of a low key
21:14
Speaker 2: thing that I really like about the expert show in
21:16
Speaker 2: general that we do here and the experts that we
21:18
Speaker 2: bring on is there's among everybody and and yourself included,
21:23
Speaker 2: maybe at the at the top of that at the
21:24
Speaker 2: top of that list, but there's there's a there's something
21:28
Speaker 2: that's that's been cheapened in services. And this is just
21:31
Speaker 2: me riffing on this, but in the last especially the
21:34
Speaker 2: last decade or so, there's something that's been cheapened on
21:37
Speaker 2: surface on surface is just in general, your experience with
21:40
Speaker 2: with a person, the materials that are used, the quality
21:43
Speaker 2: of service that you get, there seems to be very
21:45
Speaker 2: little from a consumer standpoint. It seems very little protection
21:49
Speaker 2: that we have to do anything about that. If if
21:51
Speaker 2: you get the raw end of a deal and something
21:52
Speaker 2: along those lines. People are always looking for short cuts
21:56
Speaker 2: or for cheap ways to get around. And I'm not
21:58
Speaker 2: saying that everybody we have always look for a bargain,
22:00
Speaker 2: but it seems like the cheap, maybe even slightly not illegal,
22:06
Speaker 2: but unethical way to do things have become kind of
22:09
Speaker 2: prominent today. And what I like about this expert show
22:12
Speaker 2: is that everybody that we get in here has they
22:16
Speaker 2: have some personal idea about their community that they rise
22:19
Speaker 2: above that a little bit. And I just I like
22:21
Speaker 2: these conversations that we have because you bring up these things,
22:23
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, there's people out there that might be
22:25
Speaker 2: saving you money, but honestly, the materials are just a
22:28
Speaker 2: little substandard, yes, And you really need to be aware
22:31
Speaker 2: of stuff like that, because eventually, if you keep on
22:34
Speaker 2: building things with substandard ideals, eventually we're going to forget
22:37
Speaker 2: what quality was.
22:38
Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And I think the best way the consumer in my industry,
22:43
Speaker 3: the best way the consumer can protect themselves engage an
22:46
Speaker 3: independent third party engineer. I'm a strong believer that an
22:50
Speaker 3: engineer should be involved in these projects. If you're going
22:54
Speaker 3: to invest twenty thirty forty thousand dollars in your house
22:57
Speaker 3: in a foundation a structural repair, you should have somebody
23:00
Speaker 3: other than a salesperson advising you on what you're doing.
23:04
Speaker 3: So I feel strongly that in our industry that's the
23:07
Speaker 3: best way to protect yourself. To do research. Of course,
23:10
Speaker 3: the internet of everybody knows about that.
23:12
Speaker 6: But.
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Speaker 3: To your point about the cheapening of that is essentially
23:16
Speaker 3: the foundation repair industry is consolidating into large business. We
23:23
Speaker 3: are approached by investment firms regularly to buy us out.
23:27
Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to be the last independent
23:29
Speaker 3: company standing. But the goal of this industry is to
23:32
Speaker 3: make everything as inexpensive as possible. I've always joked that
23:36
Speaker 3: whoever is cheapest is rightest, and that seems to be
23:40
Speaker 3: the case in this industry. Everything is done to limit
23:45
Speaker 3: how long the company's employees are on site. That is
23:49
Speaker 3: the which our industry is driven by labor. We'll do
23:55
Speaker 3: We'll do a lot of jobs where twenty percent is
23:57
Speaker 3: material cost and the rest is the labor cost. But
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Speaker 3: that that is essentially these companies' goals is to find
24:05
Speaker 3: the quickest, cheapest way to do it and to be
24:08
Speaker 3: the lowest cost provider. So it's it's certainly something to
24:12
Speaker 3: we have a certain standard for everything that we do,
24:15
Speaker 3: and there are ways to these other companies will do
24:18
Speaker 3: it less expensively than we do it, and we just
24:22
Speaker 3: we will not go to that. We will not go
24:24
Speaker 3: down that road.
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Speaker 2: As a teenager and a very young man in my
24:28
Speaker 2: early twenties or something like that, I was adamant at
24:31
Speaker 2: one point in my life. I just told this the
24:33
Speaker 2: other It's weird how these things come up. I just
24:34
Speaker 2: talked about this on hotline the other day, But I
24:37
Speaker 2: was adamant about getting retreads for my tires. You know.
24:40
Speaker 2: It's like I didn't want to spend money. I didn't
24:41
Speaker 2: want to spend all that money on brand new tires,
24:43
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to get retreads. What I didn't
24:46
Speaker 2: realize was just how bad retread. You know, because when
24:50
Speaker 2: you didn't when you were young and then you didn't
24:51
Speaker 2: have any money and you didn't go buy brand new
24:53
Speaker 2: tires to begin with, you had no idea what you
24:55
Speaker 2: were missing with getting stuff that that really was not
24:58
Speaker 2: I mean again legal, nothing necessarily wrong with it, but
25:00
Speaker 2: you were really getting what you paid for. First time
25:03
Speaker 2: you buy something brand new, it is like, oh, my goodness,
25:05
Speaker 2: the difference in this. Not only that, but the level
25:07
Speaker 2: of service you get from the place afterwards that takes
25:09
Speaker 2: cares up for you and does your rotations or whatever
25:10
Speaker 2: it might be. People need to be educated and learn
25:14
Speaker 2: about and learn about quality of services and quality of
25:17
Speaker 2: materials and different things along those lines. Sometimes experience will
25:20
Speaker 2: teach you, but sometimes you just have to Sometimes if
25:23
Speaker 2: something sounds too good to be true, it definitely is
25:25
Speaker 2: to be true. You just have to look into that
25:27
Speaker 2: a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and and that you know, there's a lot
25:31
Speaker 3: of a lot of rework that gets done. We go
25:35
Speaker 3: behind a lot of companies, and I mentioned the porch earlier.
25:40
Speaker 1: That that's we do.
25:41
Speaker 3: We see probably two or three of those a week
25:43
Speaker 3: where we're going back in behind another company that has
25:46
Speaker 3: done it the cheap way, or the ineffective way, or
25:50
Speaker 3: the wrong way. Just they it was a misdiagnosis of
25:52
Speaker 3: some sort. So again that all of that, you're if
25:56
Speaker 3: you have an engineer involved, a third party engineer involved,
25:59
Speaker 3: that hopefully that's not going to occur because you've got
26:02
Speaker 3: somebody reviewing the plan before you know, or really somebody
26:06
Speaker 3: else coming up with the plan. And then ever the
26:08
Speaker 3: contractors are just telling you what it's going to cost
26:10
Speaker 3: to do that plan.
26:11
Speaker 2: Let's talk about type of property I see all the
26:13
Speaker 2: time here in Westernia. I know that there has to
26:15
Speaker 2: be some unique challenges with it, and that's those the
26:17
Speaker 2: steep properties with like a walk out basement, so you
26:19
Speaker 2: know you park along the top and that's where like
26:21
Speaker 2: your main living space is or whatever it might be.
26:23
Speaker 2: They're they're designed differently, but at some point there's a
26:25
Speaker 2: steep grade and then you have a walk out basement
26:27
Speaker 2: into a yard or whatever at the bottom. Pretty stunning
26:30
Speaker 2: homes when they're put together right and everything. When I
26:32
Speaker 2: look at those, I'm like, man, there seems to be
26:34
Speaker 2: a lot of earth around that thing. It seems like
26:36
Speaker 2: that there could be some problems.
26:38
Speaker 3: So that's that's South Hills Fort Hill.
26:39
Speaker 1: I mean that is tons of that stuff.
26:41
Speaker 3: The bread and butter up. There are some of those.
26:43
Speaker 3: So the challenges and I actually I used to the
26:46
Speaker 3: home I used to own my last home was it
26:48
Speaker 3: was a walk out and I loved it. It had
26:51
Speaker 3: it was it was set set nicely on the on
26:53
Speaker 3: the land. But one of the big challenges is you've
26:56
Speaker 3: got all the soil load against the front of the
26:57
Speaker 3: house nothing against the back of the house. Those commonly,
27:02
Speaker 3: uh will end up with inward lateral displacement of the
27:06
Speaker 3: front wall. If you know, if you're if the front
27:10
Speaker 3: wall faces the hill, of course, so you end up
27:13
Speaker 3: with that's a very common issue that the front wall
27:15
Speaker 3: will will start displacing inward and then on the other
27:18
Speaker 3: side of the house. Oftentimes you'll end up with settlement
27:22
Speaker 3: or lateral movement down the hill if it's on a
27:23
Speaker 3: very steep lot, so oftentimes, and that's that's one of
27:28
Speaker 3: the things that will happen with mixed misdiagnosis. Is if
27:33
Speaker 3: you have a a front basement wall that is fully
27:37
Speaker 3: below ground and it has lateral earth pressure water pressure
27:41
Speaker 3: acting against it and it's causing it to displace, that
27:44
Speaker 3: pressure will actually get transferred into the floor system and
27:47
Speaker 3: it will show up at the back of the house
27:50
Speaker 3: as either vertical cracks on the back wall or stairstep
27:53
Speaker 3: cracks on the side walls. And I have seen plenty
27:56
Speaker 3: of times where a contractor will go in and in
28:00
Speaker 3: all vertical stabilization for the back corners of the house
28:03
Speaker 3: when it's actually a front wall issue, and it's you know,
28:08
Speaker 3: that's not a anything dishonest, it's just a misdiagnosis of
28:12
Speaker 3: the problem. That's something that we see. I've seen not
28:17
Speaker 3: not so much recently, but it's certainly seen that in
28:19
Speaker 3: the past.
28:20
Speaker 2: And again, the more expertise that you have in situations
28:22
Speaker 2: like that, and in your case being an engineer and
28:25
Speaker 2: be able to evaluate it just there's a less room
28:29
Speaker 2: for mistakes. I mean, you you see these things from
28:32
Speaker 2: different angles than what somebody that doesn't have that experience would.
28:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we can certainly look at all the different
28:37
Speaker 3: options to address it, and there's you know, we we
28:40
Speaker 3: can there's there are certain ways to address things that
28:45
Speaker 3: are more reliable than more reliable than others. And we
28:49
Speaker 3: lay all those options out and let the client pick.
28:51
Speaker 3: And of course, you know, they come with different reliability,
28:56
Speaker 3: different likelihood that they're going to succeed.
28:58
Speaker 2: Long term text message the three zer four eight oh seven.
29:01
Speaker 2: My home was built in eighteen ninety two, and I
29:03
Speaker 2: get water in one corner of the basement. But sorry,
29:06
Speaker 2: just second, but the rest is dry. I checked the
29:10
Speaker 2: downspouts and the drain in that area.
29:11
Speaker 1: No leaks.
29:12
Speaker 2: Groundwater is getting in from somewhere though.
29:15
Speaker 3: Yes it is, and that is a very old house,
29:16
Speaker 3: and it would that be an interesting one to look at. So,
29:21
Speaker 3: I mean, groundwater is certainly a something we have to
29:26
Speaker 3: deal with. You've got surface runoff storm water that we
29:31
Speaker 3: manage at the surface groundwater. In modern construction, we install
29:38
Speaker 3: a foundation, drain and waterproofing system to manage that groundwater
29:43
Speaker 3: on the outside of the building, So that's something that
29:46
Speaker 3: can be done today. Now, working around in a antique
29:51
Speaker 3: foundation such as that is certainly something we don't take lightly.
29:58
Speaker 3: A lot of those types of those older home don't.
30:00
Speaker 3: Some of those don't actually have a foundation a footing
30:03
Speaker 3: like one would think of a standard concrete poured footing,
30:07
Speaker 3: So disturbing the earth around those is something we consider
30:12
Speaker 3: very much whether that is a wise decision for the
30:14
Speaker 3: property long term. So, anytime you have water in a
30:19
Speaker 3: basement or a cross mace, you can address it by
30:21
Speaker 3: excavating waterproofing and installing a drainage system on the outside,
30:25
Speaker 3: or you can come inside and manage the water with
30:29
Speaker 3: an interior drainage system. So essentially you collect it with
30:33
Speaker 3: a piping system and then you either drain it via
30:36
Speaker 3: gravity to the outside or you drain it to a
30:39
Speaker 3: pump a sump basin equipped with a pump and you
30:42
Speaker 3: pump it out.
30:44
Speaker 2: So that there's really what I'd really like about your
30:48
Speaker 2: explanations for these, and the setup of the question is
30:50
Speaker 2: really it's almost like a like a locked room mystery,
30:54
Speaker 2: like a drawing room mystery. I really like. I mean,
30:55
Speaker 2: there's really a logical progression that you have to go
30:58
Speaker 2: through in process of elimination and figuring out what the
31:00
Speaker 2: problems are. I mean, there's a there's really a I mean,
31:02
Speaker 2: it's a very Sherlockian process.
31:04
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yes, I mean I like what they did.
31:06
Speaker 3: They started with the gutters of the downspouts. That's that's
31:09
Speaker 3: where I start. I mean, it's as simple in some
31:12
Speaker 3: cases as running a hose garden hose down your drains
31:16
Speaker 3: to make sure the water is flowing out at the
31:18
Speaker 3: other end of the pipe. Now that's that's not a
31:21
Speaker 3: guarantee that you're you're eliminating that as a potential source.
31:26
Speaker 3: For example, if you have the black corrugated piping, the
31:30
Speaker 3: flexible corrugating piping that that we see a lot around here.
31:34
Speaker 3: Anytime there's a connection with one of those pipes, those
31:36
Speaker 3: are not water tight connections. So if there is a
31:39
Speaker 3: belly in the pipe at a connection point, it will
31:43
Speaker 3: the pipe will hold water and that water will constantly
31:45
Speaker 3: be leaking out at that at that joint. So sometimes
31:48
Speaker 3: there are even if even if the water is flowing,
31:51
Speaker 3: there are defects UH that could be present that could
31:54
Speaker 3: be contributing to that water.
31:56
Speaker 1: UH.
31:56
Speaker 3: Drain inspections would be a good example. That's a good
31:59
Speaker 3: way to to really further diagnose a draint system. We
32:04
Speaker 3: do drain inspections on a limited basis. That's not something
32:09
Speaker 3: that we're out there trying to I recommend them a lot,
32:13
Speaker 3: but it's not something that we're out pushing and trying
32:16
Speaker 3: to make a service. We just do it as as
32:18
Speaker 3: we need to to make sure the drains that we're
32:20
Speaker 3: tying into our functional downstream and also to diagnose how
32:25
Speaker 3: to actually go about fixing the problem. But I like
32:28
Speaker 3: the approach of I take the same approach I guess
32:30
Speaker 3: is I always start with the easy storm water surface issues,
32:36
Speaker 3: and if we find issues there, we address that and
32:39
Speaker 3: hopefully that adequately addresses the water and infiltration problem. And
32:44
Speaker 3: then if not, then we can look at next steps
32:46
Speaker 3: and what needs to be done further.
32:49
Speaker 2: From the six to eight one three, five seven Brett.
32:52
Speaker 2: How long do foundations repairs typically last?
32:54
Speaker 3: Well, that completely depends on the scope. I mean, we
32:58
Speaker 3: do jobs that are half a day to two months.
33:02
Speaker 3: We're we're getting ready as the foundation the one I
33:06
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier that has the two foundation walls that are
33:08
Speaker 3: going to be rebuilt, that's probably going to be a
33:11
Speaker 3: six week project. I would guess that's one of the
33:14
Speaker 3: bigger ones we'll do this year.
33:16
Speaker 2: I should have that's a good answer to the question.
33:18
Speaker 2: That should have read the rest of it. If I
33:20
Speaker 2: get it fixed now, am I looking at something permanent
33:22
Speaker 2: or I needed to deal with it again in ten years?
33:24
Speaker 3: So again that we we always look at the permanent,
33:28
Speaker 3: the permanent repair. I mean, we're giving out warranties that
33:32
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to service.
33:36
Speaker 2: Right the first time?
33:36
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, So we're we're.
33:38
Speaker 3: Looking at permanent solutions. They're they're you know, if something's
33:44
Speaker 3: going to need to be fixed in ten years, I'm
33:46
Speaker 3: probably not going to be looking at that as as
33:48
Speaker 3: a viable option. If somebody's in a major situation and
33:52
Speaker 3: they only have the funds to do a ten year repair,
33:56
Speaker 3: we might we might have a discussion, but I would
33:58
Speaker 3: say that's gonna be on a very limit basis. Unfortunately,
34:01
Speaker 3: I'm probably not the contractor in a situation like that,
34:04
Speaker 3: and I know that's not what they were asking. But yeah,
34:08
Speaker 3: we're looking at permanent repairs. I mean, these are these
34:10
Speaker 3: are these are solutions I want to last until I'm
34:14
Speaker 3: long gone from this industry and retired and I've still
34:20
Speaker 3: got another twenty or thirty years talking. I got kids
34:22
Speaker 3: in elementary s, I got a while a.
34:25
Speaker 2: Couple of minutes remaining, and so I thought I would
34:27
Speaker 2: leave off with this because I think that one of
34:29
Speaker 2: the things when we're dealing with foundations is it's usually
34:32
Speaker 2: I mean, the scopes can change, so not every project
34:34
Speaker 2: is something that's going to upend your life or something
34:36
Speaker 2: like that, but generally speaking that the project are a
34:38
Speaker 2: little larger, people are a little hesitant because they're not
34:41
Speaker 2: sure what they're getting too. I think there's sometimes a
34:43
Speaker 2: little bit of the doctor prophecy problem where you don't
34:45
Speaker 2: want to know, so you don't ask, you know. So
34:47
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of issues that go into that.
34:49
Speaker 2: So what appeal would you make the folks that maybe
34:51
Speaker 2: are procrastinating a little bit too long on this, for example,
34:55
Speaker 2: like with the medical situation, If you catch the problem sooner,
34:58
Speaker 2: are you going to be in better shape? What are
34:59
Speaker 2: some of the reasons that folk should reach out if
35:01
Speaker 2: they have a problem.
35:02
Speaker 3: So to two good ones. One, if you don't have
35:05
Speaker 3: any intent on selling, and say you've got a crack,
35:08
Speaker 3: maybe we can identify a source of water and address
35:13
Speaker 3: the water and monitor the crack, and and and maybe
35:18
Speaker 3: that that water was the cause of the movement, and
35:20
Speaker 3: we addressed the water, and now that the foundation has
35:23
Speaker 3: now stabilized and we're able to monitor that over a
35:26
Speaker 3: five year period or something of that nature, and if
35:30
Speaker 3: it doesn't move, I mean the goal of a foundation
35:32
Speaker 3: stabilization is to stabilize the foundation. That's the primary goal.
35:35
Speaker 3: Sometimes the goal is to lift it back up, but
35:37
Speaker 3: the primary goal is to make sure it doesn't move again.
35:39
Speaker 3: So if we can, if we can address that with
35:41
Speaker 3: a less expensive drain installation and a monitoring, monitoring program,
35:48
Speaker 3: that would be great. So that's a good reason to
35:49
Speaker 3: call earlier rather than waiting until maybe when it's discovered
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Speaker 3: during a home or a structural inspection during the cell process,
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Speaker 3: when that engineer comes out and says, I don't know
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Speaker 3: what it's doing. There's no way I can predict what
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Speaker 3: it's going to do in the future, and essentially their
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Speaker 3: hands are tied and they just they're going to say
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Speaker 3: to repair it. And at that point in time, because
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Speaker 3: now the liability of that problem is transferring, so oftentimes
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Speaker 3: it's sort of it needs to be fixed in the
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Speaker 3: buyer sell transaction. Whereas if it has been monitored for
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Speaker 3: a long period of time, then then maybe maybe we
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Speaker 3: can do a cheaper, cheaper repair, So that that's one
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Speaker 3: of the main reasons. But I guess that the two
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Speaker 3: that kind of is both reasons. One is that the
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Speaker 3: monitoring aspect that the other one is is if we
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Speaker 3: can do a a repair that prevents it from getting
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Speaker 3: worse or continuing. Normally the repair the process that the
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Speaker 3: repair doesn't change with time unless it's like a bowing
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Speaker 3: wall and it gets the fear, but normally we can
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Speaker 3: handle it a lot cheaper earlier than down the road.
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Speaker 2: And the bottom line is you give folks is much
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Speaker 2: as you can a cafeteria of options and work with
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Speaker 2: them on the best solution for them, best solution for
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Speaker 2: them at the time. If you're the right to company
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Speaker 2: to do it, make the phone call first and then
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Speaker 2: you can figure out what your options you want to be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think certainly multiple estimates as are
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Speaker 3: always appropriate. We're happy to be one or one of three.
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Speaker 3: So I'm just like the opportunity.
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Speaker 2: That's great information as always from Brett from Foster Foundation.
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Speaker 2: Repairently get the information out to you again online it's
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Speaker 2: Foster Foundation Repair dot com. Foster Foundation Repair dot Com
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Speaker 2: is where you can go online to find it. The
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Speaker 2: phone number three zer A four seven seven six sixty
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Speaker 2: two sixty three one more time so you can write
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Speaker 2: it down. Three zero four seven seven six sixty two
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Speaker 2: sixty three is where you can call to have Foster
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Speaker 2: Foundation Repair healthy out. Brett, Thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time again today learned a lot yet again.
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Speaker 1: Yep, thank you.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time. Talk to you next month.
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Speaker 2: That's Brett Foster from Foster Foundation or Brett Hushton for
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Speaker 2: Foster Foundation Repair. Dave Allen's up next. I'll be back
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