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Tom Hughes: We’re Fed Up With Lies and Lawlessness · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Friends and family in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in, for sharing the podcast
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  and for your prayers.
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  Let's jump right in today.
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  We got a great guest, Pastor Tom Hughes, is back with us.
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  He, of course, you know, the founder of Hope for Our Times and founder of four 12 churches.
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  He's been teaching the Bible and Bible prophecy, which is important for 30 years and has a unique
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  gift for helping people understand what the Bible calls the last days.
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  Pastor Tom shares daily prophecy updates.
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  We're going to talk about one of those on Hope for Our Times website, the app, and the
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  YouTube channel, which we'll put in the rundown.
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  But I want to bring him on right now, and if there's so much to talk about, including
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  a Texas conference coming up, Hope for Our Times next month, Tom.
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  Welcome back to World View Matters, good to see you, brother.
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  David's great to see you.
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  Always good to see you.
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  Always.
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  Please tell us about the conference next month.
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  So we have a lot of your friends are on there, Eric Stackelbeck, Olivier Melnick.
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  This is going to be really good, also Brandon Holthouse from Santa Barbara.
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  So we had a Santa Barbara conference.
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  I think I talked to you about that one, and that's going to be part of the video package.
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  But Hormuz Sharia is going to be on Dr. Andy Woods, Pete Garcia.
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  Also I have four guys from Israel, Josh Waller from Israel, guys, Heim Malespin, who's
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  going to be joining us from the front lines of Gaza, and then Roddy Herrel from the old
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  city, Edom Pinkis from the old city.
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  So at four Israelis, we're going to be streaming into the conference.
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  So it's going to be really good.
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  And John Haller's going to join us, too.
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  Awesome.
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  What a lineup, man.
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  Just had Pete on.
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  Just some of the insights we get from some of these men of God, Tom.
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  It's just such a blessing to talk to these guys.
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  I'm going to eventually ask you about a program you just did with John Haller.
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  Some of the things you talked about there.
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  But first, I want to just share some good news because we're going to be getting into
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  a lot of things in this program.
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  Another friend of the podcast, Cheryl Chumley at The Washington Times, wrote, Christian
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  media is surging in the face of fake news.
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  We talk a lot about the progressive leftist, Marxist media in America, the propaganda,
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  the CNNs, the MSNBCs, the daily, even the local news outlets are just leftist.
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  And now we're seeing a surgeon.
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  People are looking for the truth.
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  People want to know the facts.
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  They want to make up their own minds.
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  A lot of people that aren't ideologically driven or convinced permanently.
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  There are people who just tell me what's going on.
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  I just really want the information.
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  And so more of them, Tom, this is good news.
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  They're turning the Christian outlets.
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  In fact, more than 60% of American adults are now tuning into some form of Christian media,
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  which is great.
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  And then it goes on.
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  Even the Gen Zers, which we thought were lost.
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  Don't give up on them, friends.
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  They need the gospel.
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  They need the truth.
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  And this world is so crazy and dark.
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  I think they are searching.
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  Tom, your thoughts?
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  Well, it's interesting you mentioned the Gen Zers.
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  Well, what I've noticed in talking with some of my other friends that are pastors.
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  A lot of these churches, and I operate primarily within the Calvary Chapel movement.
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  But I still also go and speak about this church as an even Pentecostal church.
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  And it's a dynamic that is being discovered in each of them.
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  It is Gen Z men, young men, that are coming to their churches for the first time.
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  And it's repeated, basically it's this.
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  We're looking for the truth.
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  We don't like the churches that just look like everything else is out there.
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  Now look like a country club and try to please you.
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  No, we want the truth.
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  Now what they have noticed is they said it's mainly the young men.
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  They're not noticing young women, which is also interesting because we know with the
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  Gen Zers, a lot of the younger women have been caught up in some of the protesting.
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  The majority of the protesting has gone on with anti-Israel has been these Gen Z women age.
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  So it's very interesting, but the young men are saying I'm looking for the truth.
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  And we're starting to see them pop up with podcasts and things like that too.
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  They're pushing back against the nonsense.
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  We need to understand obviously this is a spiritual battle.
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  Warfare is off the charts, but it is a world of view war.
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  Just look at the college campuses and souls are at stake.
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  That's where friends you and I come in and pastor Tom and those that are in your
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  sphere of influence, those that you can reach.
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  Souls are at stake.
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  The gospel must be preached and the truth must be told.
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  And we've got to expose deeds of darkness, including the propaganda.
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  There's a war going on for truth.
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  There has been, but it's off the charts today, the lies.
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  And that's why Cheryl Chumley concludes her article.
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  Part of America's downfall in recent years has been due to a media made up of members
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  who don't know God have no concern for themselves reporting the truth.
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  And don't worry about accountability from God or their false support reporting
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  and their deceptive journalism and lying stories are outed as false now and
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  deceptive and they're losing money.
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  So good, good for the big media outlets, good for those that are being canceled,
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  good for those that are going on a business and some of them,
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  they hardly have any viewers now.
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  CNN is, I don't know, it's funny when you look at some of the other programs
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  on cable that are beating out CNN.
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  And we shouldn't, is it wrong, Tom, to have some joy about that?
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  I think it's great.
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  I'm just trying to figure out how they still keep with these massive salaries
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  when they hardly have any viewers.
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  And I'll tell you what, you mentioned this whole thing.
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  I mean, we look at the cracker barrel stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, you know what?
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  Here's the reality of it.
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  People are fed up with the nonsense.
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  Yeah.
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  They're just fed up with it, David.
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  And I think there's a lot more people that are fed up with it than the media wants
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  us, the mainstream media wants us to believe.
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  So hence, why do you see Christian media and like your program, World View Matters?
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  People want to know, they want to know the truth.
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  They know they've been lied to the enemy of our souls as the father of lies.
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  He's a liar from the beginning.
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  But people are, I mean, come on, you can't tell.
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  I was, David, I was speaking at a conference last week.
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  And I said, and I was just talking about, I can't remember what I was talking about.
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  But anyways, I looked out at everybody and I said, look, I can look at every single person
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  here.
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  And I can tell by looking at you, if you're a man or a woman, and you don't have to be
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  really smart to figure it out.
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  So people are waking up and it appears that the younger generation is going, wait a minute,
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  these people are older than us.
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  They're nuts and they've been lying to us.
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  We know what boys and girls are.
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  We know differences.
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  So I think it's this.
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  They're tired.
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  They can see through the wokeness.
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  It's been crammed down everybody's throat, but they can see this is just insane.
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  It brings violence, brings all kinds of things.
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  Yep.
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  And unless we start speaking out on it and get the church more involved and engaged, we
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  will see more of it.
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  And this is a nice place to transition because we're seeing the fruit of moral relativism
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  on steroids.
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  And we're seeing the fruit of churches not addressing the culture and what's going on.
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  From a biblical perspective, maybe a lot of pastors duped into thinking these are
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  quote, unquote, political issues.
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  But Tom, you mentioned male or female.
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  Let's talk about this recent attack in Minnesota a week or so ago.
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  You mentioned this in your August 27, today in prophecy, the daily news you do in 15 minutes
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  or less.
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  You made some great connections there.
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  And if you could just sum that up, what you just shared was very important there after
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  control.
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  But you got this trans shooter who had an agenda.
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  They were anti-god, anti-Christian, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic.
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  And they were very brutal and demonic and what the things that this robin person, he was
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  a male, Robert changed his name to Robin, share a little bit about making those connections
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  about how this is going to lead to either gun control or other forms of control.
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  Right.
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  So if we look at that again, just tax it out, this person was transgender.
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  And there's been this school shooting, it's like this MO, if you start following and we
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  keep finding out, transgender, transgender, transgender, right on down the list.
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  There's a whole bunch of them.
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  And so you're looking at that.
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  But I reported on that on whatever, I think it was the Wednesday, the next day, Jen Socky.
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  Remember her?
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  So she gets on the news and she says, stop with your prayers.
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  We don't want your, I think she cursed about your prayers.
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  Prayers aren't going to stop this.
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  We need to change things.
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  And I'm watching that going, this is exactly the dynamic.
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  This is what we know.
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  We know prayer works.
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  The demons know prayer works.
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  Why is it that people are in front of an abortion clinic in the UK and arrested for
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  praying?
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  Because the devil knows prayer works.
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  People are afraid of prayer.
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  Why would they care if you prayed if it didn't work?
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  So the demons know.
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  So that's one major telltale.
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  Jen Socky can say whatever she wants.
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  The bottom line is we have a woke culture.
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  We have people.
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  This guy appears to just be full of demons.
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  If you read his manifesto, which I did, he appears to just be full of demons.
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  Some people you can say are mentally ill, regardless, the mass media, the woke culture
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  in America has fed this stuff and then you feed in the anti-semitism and so they've created
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  this violent place.
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  Now here's what's interesting.
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  Not only was he anti-Semitic, he also hated children, all these different things, right?
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  But he, so he wanted to kill Jews instead he kills Catholic children.
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  No figure out that, you know, that's demonic, either way.
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  But there is something greater in this.
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  So the call already from the Jen Sockys and the others is we need gun control, gun control.
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  Know how about changing the stupid things you do with the woke stuff?
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  You won't because that's where it is.
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  The battle is the mind.
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  People have been brainwashed.
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  Now they're manipulated.
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  You can pour anything into their brain that you want.
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  You bring in lawlessness.
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  So it's an interesting dynamic is during the last days two things happen at the same time.
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  Lawlessness abounds, Jesus said that.
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  But at the same time, antichrist comes to power between the 10 kings and antichrist, what
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  do they do?
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  They get absolute control on the masses.
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  So it is the only way they're going to get control.
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  This will eventually lead, I'm not saying over this one incident because people are seen
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  through the smoke amirs, but the time is coming.
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  They're going to constantly call for disarming everybody.
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  Now there's reports of a week or so ago of having drones patrol, schools armed drones
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  to keep school shootings down.
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  David, that is going to happen because people are going to see that as a solution and people
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  are going to cry out, if you're a parent who has your children killed, that's devastating
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  or just the thought of it.
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  That is absolutely devastating.
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  So you will want peace and safety for that.
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  We're going to hear, I mean, not only are we going to hear peace and safety over Israel,
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  it's going to be peace and safety over everything.
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  Keep our children safe.
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  What kind of parent would not want their child to be safe, right?
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  So especially if you're sending them public school, which is another dynamic, which we don't
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  need to get into right now.
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  But given that, you have armed drones at schools.
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  Guess what?
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  You're able to keep lawlessness down there.
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  They will get control on it, but I believe it's part of the plan also.
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  You have to create this dynamic of lawlessness so the people will cry out for solutions.
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  And then the government comes along and says, we have the solution.
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  And one of them being floated right now is armed drones, which will go into three Florida
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  school districts this coming school year.
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  Let's talk about lawlessness a little bit more.
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  It is biblical, but I think why did we learn from 2020 in the BLM, the Black Lives Matter
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  Global Network Foundation riots and how many billions of dollars with the damage, dozens
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  of people murdered for a good cause?
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  And that's what some of the media outlets were saying, Tom.
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  It's insane.
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  Oh, but the cause let them just let them and these governors saying, stand down to the police.
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  And now what Trump is trying to do in D.C.
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  And the murder rate has gone down and he's the bad guy.
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  It's just really, it's flipped, you know, the good is being called evil, evil is being
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  called good, right?
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  Right.
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  Okay.
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  So if you look at it, like you mentioned with D.C., listen, if you have a Bayer in there,
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  we don't want you here, you know, you know where I live, right, David?
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  I mean, you used to live out here too.
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  We got an insane governor here in California, Los Angeles.
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  It's a mess.
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  I was just down in Los Angeles last week visiting some people for ministry and friends.
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  And it is worse.
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  It's actually worse in LA than I thought, you know, and I thought it was pretty bad.
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  It's actually worse than pretty bad.
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  All right.
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  But you have these mayors, you have these governors, they're totally, they've sold out.
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  There has to be money that is manipulating them to do these things.
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  Not on earth would cause a mayor to say, no, we want the people to feel unsafe here.
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  I mean, what kind of mayor would do that?
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  Chuck Schumer goes on record saying, we don't want Trumps, we don't want the National Guard
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  coming in there.
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  No, places need to be cleaned up, but here it is.
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  If I was, if you're selling fire extinguishers, what's the best way to sell them?
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  Well, if you're a wicked person, you go to the person's backyard and you like the backyard
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  on fire, and then when they're screaming for help, you go around to the front, you knock
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  on the door, and they say, help, help, and they go, oh, I happen to have a fire extinguisher
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  here.
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  That's what's happening.
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  Wow.
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  There is a plan in play to create these things.
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  There was Yuri Bezmanov, and you're probably familiar with him, Soviet defector from way
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  back.
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  I think in the late 1970s.
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  So he was in an interview, and I saved the interview, it was just phenomenal, and he said
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  there's four things that the Soviets would do when they wanted, the Marxists, the communists
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  would do, where they want to take over a people, and one of them was simply, you create
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  lawlessness.
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  Creative crisis.
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  The first thing is you demoralize the people.
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  That's number one, you demoralize them, and he's talking about the U.S., and he goes,
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  we're there.
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  And this is 1984.
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  He goes, then you have to destabilize our nation.
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  If you go back prior to Trump was totally destabilized.
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  You know, regardless of what somebody thinks of Trump, imagine if we had Kamala Harris
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  right now, if you think it's destabilized before, wow, what would it be like now?
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  Demoralized destabilized, but once you get to the point where you demoralize the people,
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  then people will get to a point where facts don't matter.
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  That's where we are.
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  Facts don't matter, people.
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  You present a facts well, you can now be safe walking through the streets of DC.
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  What did it say?
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  Well, we don't want to be safe.
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  You know, facts don't matter.
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  Facts don't matter about Israel.
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  They won't listen to the truth about what's really going on with Hamas and Gaza.
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  So boys or boys and girls or girls, no, we don't want those facts.
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  We've got our own idea.
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  So you demoralize, that's happened in America.
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  You destabilize, oh yeah, that's happened in America.
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  And then you create this lawlessness, you bring in, I think it's chaos was number three
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  or something like that.
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  I forget what the word was that he used for it, but when you bring that in, then after
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  you have complete lawlessness, the people will be begging for a savior, and then guess
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  what?
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  And then you come in, he goes, and then in Czechoslovakia, he said, for example, after
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  they did that, the people are begging for help.
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  The Soviet Union comes along with their tapes, their tanks and says, now we are normalized.
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  It's the new normal.
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  And that's been, so there's this world view fight.
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  We have nationalism versus globalism.
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  We're watching, I believe, and this is really what your ministry is, world view matters.
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  We are watching a clash of civilizations.
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  We are in it, and this is why we are fighting for truth, and I praise God for your ministry
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  and everything that you are doing, but it is this attempt to seize control of this planet.
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  We know biblically it's eventually going to happen.
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  We get that.
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  But in the meantime, we stand on the side of what's right.
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  Amen, brother.
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  Amen.
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  And we've never seen the left create a crisis and then come in with a solution, have we?
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  Anyway, we've got to take a brief pause.
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  As we're with Pastor Tom Hughes, hope for our times dot com.
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  So Tom, let's transition now to what's going on with Israel.
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  There's so much ignorance over this and unfortunately part of that ignorance is biblical.
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  It's not just people buying the propaganda.
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  So the pro-Palestinian movement, a lot of people's eyes have been open since October 7,
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  and I even consider myself a somewhat informed believer in Christ, but I was very disappointed
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  to see what was going on in America as far as our response, especially college campuses.
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  So, but well, you made a connection also about that shooter in Minnesota.
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  This person, and it's demonically driven, he was against Jews.
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  He was against Trump, he was against Christians, and this is biblical.
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  And even the Muslims, the radicals, will say, will come after the Saturday people first,
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  Saturday worshipers first, and then the Sunday worshipers, meaning they'll come after the Jews first,
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  and then the Christians.
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  We're not off the hook.
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  What we're seeing, this demonic movement against Israel, Christians better wake up a little bit.
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  Share whatever you want as we go into this, just transition to anti-Semitism.
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  Yeah, well, first off, just, I mean, everybody just ask yourself if this makes sense.
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  Two billion Muslims worldwide are calling for the world to help them against eight million Jews living in Israel.
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  And you're thinking of this, I mean, there's something that's just, something doesn't make sense about the whole thing.
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  Unless you have the Bible.
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  If you have the Bible, then it makes sense.
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  It was found out a while back that 98% of the mainstream media reporting on Gaza came from Hamas.
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  Hamas reporters, the Hamas health minister, 98%.
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  Nobody will tell you Tucker Carlson included is that out of the money that came from US tax dollars,
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  Hamas used it to build 500 miles of tunnels.
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  What for?
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  Well, to make sure that their terrors were safe underground while women and children were up top.
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  What they won't tell you is that when the IDF would go in and drop leaflets saying,
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  hey, we're going to take out this building tomorrow, Hamas would make sure they do their best to run women and children over to that building.
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  You don't hear about any of these things through media outlets apart from media outlets like this one.
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  You just don't hear them apart from things like yours.
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  See, hear this, and there's this major spin.
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  And unfortunately, pastors, David, as you know, just, they won't even talk about it.
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  They don't know, here's one.
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  They don't know the Bible.
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  They refuse to even talk about the Old Testament.
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  When it comes to the New Testament, they will avoid any passage that paints Israel in a saving light as if redemption is going to come to the nation of Israel.
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  They forget that Jesus was a Jew.
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  I mean, you start looking at these things.
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  In fact, the latest book I have, I wrote, it was based on messages I did some years ago.
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  But what I saw, and you can really see it come out with Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz.
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  So, Tucker says, you know, why should you support Israel and Ted Cruz?
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  Attempted to quote Genesis chapter 12 verse 3.
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  I'll bless him.
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  And then I thought to myself, well, this is one problem is even in the Bible prophecy world, David.
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  I bet if I asked all the people that were sitting in an audience, why do you support Israel 90% of them would say Genesis chapter 12 verse 3.
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  I say, give me another verse.
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  And they probably wouldn't be able to, the majority of them.
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  And so, with that, you know, we've got to educate people.
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  That is one reason why I'm my book.
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  And so, my book on your program right now.
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  No.
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  But it's the reality of it.
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  You know, there's so many verses, chapter after chapter, verses of Old Testament, New Testament.
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  What about Israel?
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  Israel's past, God's divine purpose, their historical journey, the prophetic things.
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  What happened in their disobedience?
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  Did God abandon Israel because they were disobedience?
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  Because they were disobedient.
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  What is happening right now?
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  What can we expect?
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  What does it mean to support Israel?
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  Why should you support Israel?
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  It's way beyond Genesis chapter 12 verse 3.
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  And there are tons.
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  I mean, the Bible is lotus scripture.
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  I was reading.
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  It was somebody, I won't mention them because they're very popular.
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  But they were going after one of the, one of Charlie Kirk's guys.
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  And he was posting some pro-Israel comments.
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  They were outstanding, by the way.
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  And these guys, they post it back and they said, I'm really disappointed in you.
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  You take one verse out of the 1500 pages in the Bible or 1500 chapters in the Bible.
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  You take one verse to support Israel.
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  And I'm thinking, you know what?
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  These guys are uneducated.
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  They claim to be Christian, which I think they are.
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  But no, there are, I mean, there are dozens upon dozens upon dozens,
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  if not over 100 verses to support the nation of Israel.
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  In fact, I think I could probably even find over 200 verses.
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  Well, Zion alone, the word Zion alone was created by God.
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  It wasn't created by the Rothschilds.
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  It wasn't created by the elders of Zion.
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  It wasn't created by theodore Herzl.
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  It wasn't created by God created the word Zion.
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  152 times in the Bible, Zion.
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  The word Zion is mentioned.
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  Old Testament and yes, folks, in the New Testament too.
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  In the New Testament, God says, salvation will come to Zion.
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  And my people, all Israel will be saved.
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  So about 152 times King James Bible Zion favorably.
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  In the NIV, it's more NLT, it's more in New King James, it's more.
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  That's just 152 verses.
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  So actually I think it probably come up in more like 500 verses.
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  But given that, I mean, no, the Bible's loaded with it.
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  But Christians are taught, God's done with Israel.
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  Don't pay any attention to them.
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  And pastors aren't trained in seminary about the truth.
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  So this is where we find ourselves.
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  And it's a, it's a bad state for the church to be here.
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  So Tom, is your book out right now?
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  It is, but here's trick.
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  It's not available on Amazon.
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  It's just that people want to support my ministry.
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  They can get the book. It's what it is.
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  Okay.
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  I didn't want to, I just, you know, and so I didn't really
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  don't want to sit here and promote it on your channel.
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  I'm sure people want it.
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  You could cut that out if you want.
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  No, no, it's just, it's just, I just look at people need to be equipped.
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  You know, and I'm looking, you know, this is just, you know.
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  Well, this problem, it's not going to go away.
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  It's, it's only going to get more intense.
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  And it's an important topic, friends.
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  We've got to be up to speed on this biblically.
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  Because as you and John Haller were talking about on your program,
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  the church is more divided over Israel now than the church has ever been.
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  And it's just going to, I think it's going to even get more divided.
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  So we need to know what scripture teaches.
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  And yes, so I'll leave it at that.
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  But, but friends, I'll send you to hope for our times.com.
• 26:08
  And that's the best place to get it, right Tom?
• 26:10
  Yes.
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  This is important. That's why I brought you on.
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  Lord willing, we'll do it again.
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  And thanks for your time, Tom.
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  You bet, David. It's great being with you always.
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  Yes.
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  Same here. God bless you, friends.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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  Amen.