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Fraggle Talk BONUS EPISODE - "Night of the Lights" · Muppet Fan Podcasts with ToughPigs.com

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  Hello and welcome back to fraggle talk.
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  The Unofficial Fraggle Rock podcast, brought to you by tough
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  fix.com. This is the podcast where we
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  cover Fraggle, Rock back to the Rock episode.
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  By episode, I'm your host, silly creature Johannes.
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  Have you may have guessed. This is a bonus episode of
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  Fraggle, talk much like back to the Rock, which ended its first
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  season. A few months ago, we are back
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  with a surprise episode where we'll be discussing night of the
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  lights, a special holiday episode that you can watch right
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  now on Apple TV plus much like our other episodes in this
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  podcast series. We'll be talking about the
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  episode in full detail. So consider this, your spoiler
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  warning. If you haven't watched night of
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  the lights yet, feel free to go watch it.
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  It and then come back and find this podcast episode later.
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  Don't worry, we'll be waiting for you.
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  For this special holiday episode of Fraggle.
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  Talk were pleased to welcome to tough pigs writers that I've
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  specifically chosen for their unique expertise.
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  First, you've heard her as the host of The Dig Deeper segments
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  here on Fraggle talk. It's our Fraggle Rock expert
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  Beth cook. Hello Beth.
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  Hello. Also.
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  Joining us is the co-host of the tough pigs podcast, moving.
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  Right along, which is currently partway through covering Muppet
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  Christmas Carol, two minutes at a time.
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  It's our Christmas experts Anthony strand.
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  Hey, Anthony! Hey, that's me right now.
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  All through the year. You know, it's true.
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  It is so it's Obviously we've all were all very familiar with
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  the the previous Fraggle, Rock holiday episode, the bells of
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  Fraggle Rock. So it's exciting to see that
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  they're coming back and they're doing it all over again.
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  Which is giving me a great opportunity to talk fraggles and
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  Christmas and holidays, and Henson, and all things
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  Encompass, with the two of you. So thank you all for being here.
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  So let's Beth, let's start with you.
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  You were obviously really involved with covering Fraggle,
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  Rock back to the rock for that first season that we've just
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  wrapped. How does this episode hold up to
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  you as a part of the larger series?
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  So it fits in seamlessly. The only thing that makes it
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  stand out is the fact that it can stand alone as its own
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  thing. It doesn't have the larger
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  connecting themes that was really new for us and seeing and
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  back to the rock that they could have this story arc over the
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  whole season because the original Fraggle Rock, they were
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  really more episodic, and you could take them each as
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  standalone. Roads.
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  And so this one felt yeah a little more nostalgic in that
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  way. That you can just watch this
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  along with all your other various Henson holiday specials.
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  Yeah. It's a bit of a return to form
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  for Fraggle Rock in that way rights.
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  Like like we like that that Standalone that dumb in one
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  story that we're so used to from the original series.
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  Yeah, but I also really like that.
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  They kept what I expected from Back To The Rock in terms of a
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  nice balance of the fraggle, five, and secondary characters,
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  giving us one original song, and one classic song for The
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  Original Series. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah. There's only a format that the
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  following here. Yeah, kind of walking that line
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  between the old stuff and the new stuff which is how it should
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  be, if, you know, we're bringing back old handsome property.
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  A Anthony. How does this hold up amongst
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  the rest of the Muppet holiday Cannon?
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  There's so many great holiday specials.
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  I mean it's such a loaded question, right?
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  Because yeah, I've seen this one time.
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  I've only seen too late. I've already I've already asked
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  it. Yeah it's I'll say that it is
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  right in between it is right above dinosaurs refrigerator day
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  and right below I don't know let's say the Christmas toy
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  great. I think that's That actually
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  might be accurate that might be I guess.
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  No, I think it's very good. But I think like what Beth was
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  saying especially in a show with with characters that you love
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  one of the goals of a great Christmas episode of holiday
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  episode is that you can just like pull it out once a year.
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  And like maybe you haven't watched the show in a while but
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  like it's a good excuse, just to see those characters and see
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  what they're up to and watch him hang out.
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  And you know like I mean I mentioned like refrigerator date
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  that's the opposite of dinosaurs.
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  I've seen the most times by far for the watching every single
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  year. You know and I watch those in
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  Fraggle, Rock every single year, you know.
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  And so like I think this one fits in well with those because
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  I am excited to revisit it. I'm excited to add it to the
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  rotation, like, it'll be fun to watch this back-to-back with
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  bells of Fraggle Rock, and remember that both.
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  Versions of Fraggle, Rock are really fun like because like
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  because I think it I mean here's the thing two years ago on my
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  Facebook and Joe, you know this I counted down my 50 favorite
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  Christmas episodes of all time, one day at a time from November
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  6th through December 25th. Classic classic Anthony like
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  yeah, I'll make a pop culture list for 5th at days in a row.
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  It is that Saint Anthony and And I think that the fact that this
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  one like it's like almost a microcosm of the backs to The
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  Rock in general, then it's incredible that, it's not an
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  embarrassment. It's incredible that they
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  somehow manage to bring Fraggle Rock back, and it doesn't feel
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  just like a rehash, but it feels just as alive.
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  Like it somehow. They just started cranking out,
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  new episodes of Fraggle Rock and it feels like Fraggle Rock.
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  Yeah that's it feels like a miracle it really does right.
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  Well but I remember talking to you after we both watch the
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  first episode and we were both just like incredulous that yes
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  that this happened like because I I mean I don't want to speak
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  for you but I think we both were like very nervous that it was
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  going to be a disaster. Absolutely, like cautiously
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  optimistic but but with this, Show in particular, you know, if
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  if they didn't get it right, it was really gonna sting in a way.
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  No other reboot could, and the fact that they just got it
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  Pitch. Perfect was like, wait, wait,
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  what? Now we get more episodes of
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  this. It's a whole season.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And so now, I think, is that season ended in what April?
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  That right about March um that sounds about right.
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  Some like that taking to. Yeah.
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  Hmm. And so for now, all of a sudden,
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  seven months later, there's one more episode, it felt to me like
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  oh yeah, I love it. Oh yeah, this rules.
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  You know what I mean? Like, yeah.
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  A real sense of like, oh, it's so it's, it really is a gift to
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  have Frederick Beck and we absolutely eagle-eyed folks on
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  tough pigs being like, hey, there's this shot in the trailer
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  that we got for the series that now we Don't see and there was
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  something about this you know, episode 14 that doesn't seem to
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  exist now and now it exists. Now we have.
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  Yeah. And why I don't want to talk
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  about that a bit more. We get to some of those scenes
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  later on in this episode. But for now, I would love to
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  dive into this episode with both of you and again, for anyone
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  who's listening. If you haven't watched it yet,
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  it's a great episode. Go watch it.
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  Enjoy it. And then you can come on back
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  here and you can follow along beat by beat as we break this
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  thing apart. Hearts.
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  So this episode begins as the fraggles are counting down to
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  something and they're counting five for pickle 21 which is so
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  stupid and hysterical. I love that so much.
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  They're they're lighting the glow grapes and looks like
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  there's like Christmas lights all over Fraggle Rock and
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  hanging from the stalagmites or stalactites or I don't know
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  which one is. Which does anyone know states
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  are the ceiling? Because see, see Ealing.
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  See stalactite, GE stalagmite G ground.
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  Whoa. You're teaching me all sorts of
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  things today. Anthony, yeah, Dianna this to
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  know things and teach people. Thank you.
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  I'm literally a librarian. So yes and the Storyteller is
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  giving her big speech, she's just explaining its.
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  The darkest idea is a lot of exposition here coming from the
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  Storyteller, which is also, by the way, like the greatest
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  character to do this because She's flailing her arms, she's
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  talking like a drunk lady and she's telling everyone that the
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  it's a Darkest Night of the Year.
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  This is the time when the fraggles push back against the
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  darkness and she starts going, no Darkness, bad Darkness, it's
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  not your night darkness. And she's literally, I wish I
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  could explain how she flails. It's a very specific kind of
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  flail that she's doing, but it's night of the lights.
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  Happy Night of Lights. Everybody happy that it's the
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  lights. Yeah.
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  When I was watching through the first 13 episodes of Back to the
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  Rock, I was playing a little game with myself where I would
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  Mark how soon I could spot what the lesson of the episode was
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  going to be. And in this episode, I got it in
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  her. First paragraph is really
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  started saying no Darkness, not your night anymore, Jack - I was
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  like, oh, I wonder if this is going to be about.
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  Oh, sometimes you have to embrace the darkness spoiler
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  alert. So I was really proud of myself
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  for getting for that nice. That's how yeah, that's
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  fascinating. And I will have more questions
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  about that at the end of the episode because I'm the
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  opposite, I didn't understand what the theme was.
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  Until they got to it and then I'm still like is it though?
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  Is that does that make sense? So let's let's let's pull up a
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  little bit in that and come back to it definitely come back to
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  that but neither lights is now I guess the the other how like a
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  winter holiday that the fraggles have have a theory about that.
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  Yeah, please. So in this episode Mochi and red
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  talk about exchanging night of the lights presence in because
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  of railroad track, when they are celebrating the Rocks.
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  Slowing down. Does it have a name?
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  I guess it's just like Festival the bells, right?
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  That's about the belts. Yeah.
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  When they're sober, net. Nobody talks about presents,
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  right? It's just, they're going to ring
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  the bell and that's what the thing is, well, in Muppet family
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  Christmas. We have a time like that.
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  We all give each other a little presence.
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  Whoa, huh. So is Night of the like it's the
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  one they're talking about another family Christmas because
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  that's very possible. Although I will throw a small
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  monkey wrench into this in bells of Fraggle, Rock.
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  Doc is making it clear. It's the winter solstice because
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  there's all these different Solstice Traditions around the
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  world and Solstice, As We Know, Comes just a few days before
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  Christmas, you know, if these two holidays are, in fact,
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  separate holidays, that are very distinct and not just like part
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  of like the larger Christmas celebration or whatever it is,
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  then they're only like three days apart from each other.
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  Well, that's true. But you know how fraggles can
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  have their birthdays whenever they want and they were like,
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  okay red. Yes you could have your birthday
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  today but you just had yours like four days.
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  So why don't we let Wembley have a chance?
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  They absolutely have so many more holidays than we do.
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  They must have got to have more than one winter holiday that's a
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  good point, especially, because like, we know that they have
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  lots of holidays, I've had lots of holidays throughout the
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  series and so, like they probably do have a new Hull.
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  It's like, like right now. When we see on social media,
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  when people are, like, it's National chocolate.
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  Chip cookie day. It's National Hug a corgi day.
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  It's National stand on your head day and everyone's posting
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  stupid memes about it. It's Yes, there's a holiday
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  every single day in the fraggles actually have real ones as
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  opposed to you know it's National water bottle day or
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  whatever they take their silliness.
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  Very seriously, it's true well and but also the Go I mean we
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  know it's a Multiverse like we know this is not exactly the
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  same Fraggle Rock as the original series like.
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  Yeah, it starts with a different version of Matt going to explore
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  outer space, you know? Sure.
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  Yeah. Doc Doc is a different person.
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  So are you saying, That Barry Allen went back in time.
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  Saved his mom and I'll suddenly wheeler suitable, fraggle,
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  Christmas holidays. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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  Do you remember the episode with?
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  Yeah, sure. That was for Barry, Allen's at
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  his mom's death. Whoa.
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  I feel terrible for the people who have no idea what we're
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  talking about, but I feel worse for the people who do The TV
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  show called The Flash and it was very good for exactly one
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  season. So that is true.
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  And there's a comic book called flash point, which they keep
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  remaking in other media, even though it's not very good.
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  And that's kind of where all this exists stemming from.
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  Yep. Anyway, I could be better than
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  that. Is way better than the flash,
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  any version of The Flash, because we also get our first
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  song of the episode. It's, I assume it's called,
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  right? Oh yes, please.
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  Yeah, the song we see, Or maybe it's during this song.
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  There is a radish shaped Piñata. Yeah, and I'm the song.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm choosing to believe that this is a nod to
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  what you were talking about, in the balance of Fraggle, Rock
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  that we see doc and sprocket breaking open a pinata.
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  Yes, right. Yeah, that piñata.
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  It's great. It's a rash pinata.
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  And when they finally break it open, it's filled with radishes
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  full of red. Which I love but this I believe
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  I'm guessing it's called night of the lights.
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  We don't actually know that just yet, I'm sure we'll find out any
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  day now, but it's like a poppy Christmas song.
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  Anthony. Can you, I feel like it sounded
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  really similar to another specific specific Christmas
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  song, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
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  Did it remind you of anything in particular?
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  I mean, I don't know. It feels a little bit like Last
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  Christmas by the Wham it like, yeah.
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  Except that's what it reminded me of a little bit.
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  I wrote down that it reminds me of all I want for Christmas is
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  By Mariah Carey sure? Yeah, absolutely.
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  Go like, it's just like the poppy Christmas time.
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  There's a specific. I'm going to have to re-listen
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  to it. But part of it was like oh I
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  feel like I think many was like a but um, but um, but don't like
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  something like. Yeah, but I'm not be and modern.
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  Yeah, yeah, there's a definitely, a padam padam padam
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  in that song. That's also like the padam
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  padam, padam pinned. All I Want For Christmas Is You.
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  Incredible. So, during the song Jam, Dylan
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  shows up our buddy, Jim dalen, he is once again voiced by
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  daveed Diggs. I'm guessing he's probably
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  puppeteered by Puppeteer Andy Heyward.
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  Who was on this podcast? We feels well, we know that he
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  is because Andy posted a picture of him and gentlemen, on the
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  like, with grit with glow. Grapes in the background.
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  Oh, there you go. All right.
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  All right. Thank you.
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  Social media. Thanks, Andy for posting a
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  picture. You probably.
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  We shouldn't have because you leaked a whole bunch of
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  Christmas this to us, but he doesn't have the other
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  Troubadours with him. So I wonder where they are.
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  Any theories. They're on vacation, just show
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  up randomly without the other minstrels once in awhile so
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  great. I, yeah, I don't think the other
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  missiles are in bells in Fraggle.
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  Rock. Are they I don't think so.
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  They might be like, singing along in the background, but
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  they definitely don't have speaking lines in that episode,
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  right? Sure.
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  It's just like, it's just, like, cantus showing up and being like
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  you know where the Great Valley that's is the thing.
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  That's, that's the whole episode and it's the greatest thing ever
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  aired on television, like it's the best terrific, I love that
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  anyway, which is a good reason. Then why why Jim Dylan is in
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  this episode because that does feel like a bit of a throwback
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  to bells of Fraggle Rock, which had which had cantus as a
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  special guest star, you know? Right.
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  Yep. You did the guy who shows up in
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  his entire job is to be groovy and mellow and inscrutable
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  exactly. Yes.
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  Right. And also like strangely the
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  grown up in the room which dragged around Whaley has but
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  these two characters definitely act as like in a Already, not
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  really a childlike character, not as Daft as some of the other
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  adults on the show or doltish figures will see more of him in
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  a minute. But we speaking of cameos, we
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  get a glimpse of the Grizzard. Our buddy who's a was previously
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  known as the lizard, I believe in the episode gone.
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  But not forgotten from the Original Series.
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  Yeah. What mudwell the mud Bunny
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  turned into. Yeah, that's right.
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  Yeah. And he's got a glow grip on his
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  nose like Rudolph but he wasn't very happy about it.
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  Which I also like we also see a fraggle on stilts which I don't
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  know if we've seen before. Yeah.
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  That really have the same note like it.
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  Yes. Like it fits seamlessly into
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  fraggle or and yet as a puppetry trick I don't know if we've seen
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  it so good so fun. I feel like we've seen it on the
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  old show like in the And I couldn't tell you when or where,
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  or if I've that's even true. And I might be thinking of I'm
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  saying this without having it in front of me, so I could get any
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  detail of this wrong. Okay.
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  You know, that mural of the theater with all the Muppets in
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  the seats that used to be in the Henson company office.
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  Yeah. In New York.
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  So in the background there's definitely a character who's on
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  stilts and my memory it's that it's a fraggle.
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  So I wonder if if that's like oh yeah, there's fraggles on stilts
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  and That's why this person Illustrated this into this.
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  It's painting. It's Not Afraid.
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  Although it's like no. It's just like what?
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  Not Court Jester. Oh well, there goes that theory.
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  Yeah, we read it. Does that feel like it fits
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  like, of course fraggles on stilts makes perfect sense,
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  right? Yeah, later on in the episode on
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  a few caught Gobo saying, like let's go check in with Rhonda
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  about the about the stilts or whatever.
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  So I guess that character's name is Rhonda Rhonda.
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  Yeah. What's that has to be like,
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  honoring someone specifics, but they know whose name is Rhonda
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  because you just don't go around.
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  They make a fraggle. Rhonda.
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  Yes. Named after Alice girlfriend.
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  We also see a large Marvin in the audience and I was really
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  expecting large Marvin to have some sort of, line of a party,
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  but yeah, me too, but so many characters have lines in this
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  like, They devote so much time to including his many of our
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  friends as they can, so I guess that's true.
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  Yeah, no, I'm not going to complain about the lack of
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  large. Marvin when he's right there,
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  you said he's with her worst. Large Market isn't say anything.
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  I'm never watching for. What kind of Christmas is this?
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  Yeah. Did we get a black bar Vivid?
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  Darkness does the confetti cannons?
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  We've definitely seen multiple times and back to the rock that.
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  I don't think we saw in the original, but it again, it just
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  bits. Of course, they have confetti
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  cannons that are going off all the time.
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  So, for some reason, this made me think of well for obvious
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  reasons, maybe think of that episode of the 2015 Muppet Show,
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  I believe the episode was because love, which has crazy.
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  Harry sitting off a confetti cannon of like, Like pink rose
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  petals or something like that. And I mistakenly thought that
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  was the Christmas episode. So it's like, I'm digging
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  already like this is just like that Christmas episode of The
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  Muppets, but it's not. That's a different holiday.
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  So it's not at all related, except that they both have
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  Muppets with confetti cannons on a holiday, right, right.
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  And this is, this was nothing. This thought was nothing.
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  Why did I say that out loud? It doesn't mean anything.
• 21:49
  Speaking of thoughts that are nothing and should not be set
• 21:51
  up. Loud.
• 21:52
  Yeah, we all remember when Pinkie Pie would fire off a
• 21:55
  canoe, literally, my thought that was nothing.
• 21:58
  That should not be said out loud.
• 21:59
  There you go. So I would fit in so perfectly
• 22:01
  really worth the time of her life.
• 22:06
  I see. This is a My Little Pony
• 22:07
  specifically. Yeah.
• 22:08
  This is this initially, do you remember that?
• 22:10
  Gift of the Magi episode with Pinkie Pie where she gave away
• 22:13
  her confetti cannon in order to get a rock pouch for her sister
• 22:17
  mod? Here's your dream on little
• 22:19
  cupcake, sent it. You for her confetti cannon?
• 22:23
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 22:24
  Classic. I'm not.
• 22:25
  It's, I really like you're speaking Swedish.
• 22:30
  I was thinking about the one with the Weird Al do with, she's
• 22:33
  sandwich. Yes.
• 22:34
  Well, he's the other, the other party planner and that because
• 22:37
  that has ends with like the confetti cannons, are like, what
• 22:41
  makes the party in the end? He didn't think of confetti
• 22:43
  cannons, and then pinky Rose them in.
• 22:47
  Joe friendship is Magic. Yeah, in case I know, The number
• 22:52
  friendship is that I got it. I got it.
• 22:54
  You can't leave the magic. Therefore you can't leave the
• 22:57
  Friendship. That's why Pinkie Pie would fit
• 23:01
  in on Fraggle Rock exactly. They could be illustrated by
• 23:04
  Katie cook. There you go right?
• 23:08
  He's TT Cooks. Draw the cross over her.
• 23:10
  Yeah, oh man. Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna
• 23:14
  get on this. Yes.
• 23:16
  Jim Leyland brings in this new little I guess it's called a
• 23:19
  floopy bug. Yeah, the flu.
• 23:22
  Ruby bug. Have we seen these creatures?
• 23:25
  I don't think so. And here's the thing about the
• 23:28
  flu bug, like, he's like, oh, I ran into this flu bug named
• 23:32
  Coupe. And then each of the fraggles
• 23:34
  says, hello to Coupe specifically calling out his
• 23:37
  name, which made me think, oh, Coupe is going to be a big part
• 23:40
  of this episode. They're like hammering it in.
• 23:43
  Don't forget about coop. It scoop your new friend Coop.
• 23:46
  We're gonna be selling merchandise with coupon it, you
• 23:48
  know, we're Coupe is an on-screen.
• 23:51
  Everyone should be asking where you can do.
• 23:55
  I am actually asking where's Coop because like this kind of
• 23:59
  Forgotten after after the like this, this introduction.
• 24:01
  And then the next scene coming up?
• 24:04
  Yeah, when jammed, when first introduced him, he was kind of
• 24:07
  like, looking around as if he were like uncomfortable and then
• 24:10
  I felt like the fraggles were deliberately trying to make him
• 24:13
  feel welcome. I was like, oh okay, this is
• 24:16
  where we're going turns out. No, right.
• 24:20
  That definitely feels like the only feels like something that
• 24:24
  was happening. Because of the lessons that
• 24:27
  we've learned through, the rest of this series, back to the
• 24:31
  Rock, because there's so much about acceptance and so much
• 24:33
  about like being welcoming and being a bigger Community.
• 24:38
  But like you said, at the beginning, this podcast, you
• 24:41
  know, this isn't really connected to the larger story of
• 24:45
  the larger lessons from Back to the Rock.
• 24:46
  So it does feel like it's a little out of place, right?
• 24:50
  They don't mean they don't give Ed Helms in new home in this
• 24:53
  one. Well, in this scene also, and in
• 25:00
  addition to meeting Coop boober, introduces us to his holiday
• 25:05
  root cake, which sounds disgusting.
• 25:07
  I'm sure it is disgusting because all the other fraggles
• 25:10
  recoil and discussed, they don't want any part of it.
• 25:12
  They also don't want to be impolite to boober, so they're
• 25:15
  making up reasons, why they don't want it.
• 25:17
  But Anthony, I don't expect you to sit here and tell me the
• 25:22
  history of fruitcake, as a holiday gift.
• 25:26
  But I would like you you to tell us a little bit about fruitcake
• 25:30
  as a holiday gift, as seen in holiday specials as specifically
• 25:34
  this joke like that. That's nobody wants fruitcake.
• 25:37
  Hmm? Right.
• 25:39
  Well. So this is not a special but did
• 25:43
  you seek the movie mixed nuts? I mean, I think I saw once but I
• 25:47
  don't read about it. That's enough that's it.
• 25:51
  Nora Ephron movie from 1990. For it's right after Sleepless.
• 25:57
  In Seattle for I think and it's about Steve Martin and Madeline
• 26:01
  Kahn running a like suicide prevention, huh?
• 26:05
  And for whatever reason, the movie mixed nuts, has like
• 26:10
  multiple jokes about Madeline Kahn receiving fruitcakes, and
• 26:15
  like, graciously accepting fruitcakes that she doesn't
• 26:18
  want. And so when I think of fruitcake
• 26:23
  jokes in Holiday Program bank, it's not even special, it's the
• 26:28
  movie mixed nuts. So I know that there are some
• 26:34
  but like I know what there's one hands, one of the Golden Girls
• 26:39
  Christmas at this, right? That's that's what I was going
• 26:41
  to say is it's one of those things that comes up on sitcoms
• 26:44
  more. I feel like, and it's just kind
• 26:46
  of like, oh, we're talking about fruitcakes.
• 26:49
  Well, the one that I was specifically thinking of was the
• 26:55
  Pee Wee holiday special. All right.
• 26:57
  Yeah. Which like, yeah, everyone gives
• 26:59
  them a fruitcake. Everyone gets Route. 94 big
• 27:02
  builds like a wall of fruitcake with it.
• 27:03
  Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's So good because
• 27:06
  it's it's like a subversion. I like the Trope is like yuck
• 27:10
  fruitcake and Pee-Wee's like oh fruit cake.
• 27:13
  And then he does something productive with them and builds
• 27:16
  a wall of fruit, classic, be. We, I really want to know where
• 27:20
  that started, we will have to do some research offline.
• 27:24
  And I know because of the history of freakin like, like
• 27:27
  I've definitely eating fruitcake before but like not that much.
• 27:30
  Nobody really makes it do. You think, do you think that
• 27:32
  this joke killed The Fruitcake? Yeah maybe oh and then we get to
• 27:39
  see pogie running, he's covered in glow grapes and he just kind
• 27:42
  of Screams and flails and then runs off which is I really I was
• 27:46
  really hoping for a bogey appearance in this episode and
• 27:50
  I'm glad that it was so brief and chaotic.
• 27:54
  Yeah, I also really love his sweater.
• 27:57
  Seems to be made entirely of tinsel.
• 27:59
  Where's the other fraggles are wearing like a tensile necklace
• 28:02
  or tinsel headband? And he's just all day.
• 28:05
  In tensile and glow Grapes. Of course, we didn't even talk
• 28:09
  about that, that all the fraggles are in there, like,
• 28:11
  winter holiday clothes, which people myself included adorer
• 28:16
  when Muppets are dressed for the holidays.
• 28:20
  Yeah, they've got like, scarves and hats and, and tinsel and
• 28:23
  stuff. Yeah, it's great.
• 28:25
  Well, that you can see about the tinsel necklace, isn't like,
• 28:27
  it's a new look, you know, in bells of Fraggle, Rock.
• 28:31
  They're all just waiting like stocking caps and scarves and
• 28:33
  stuff like you say, what does great in adorable?
• 28:35
  Don't get me wrong, it's the best.
• 28:38
  But in this one it was like a new.
• 28:40
  It was like exciting and new, you know, and expects me it, I
• 28:44
  love it. You could tell that like, like
• 28:47
  the same as what we heard with all the people that we've
• 28:49
  interviewed on this podcast before but it sounds like it was
• 28:52
  the props people in the costume people just like all they want
• 28:55
  me to put a scarf on red. Well, I'm not just gonna do
• 28:58
  that. I'm going to make this look
• 28:59
  great and I'm a little little sparkly pom-poms on it and you
• 29:03
  know, make it look holiday-ish and No, it all works and all
• 29:07
  fits in with the characters like boobers got like this comfy
• 29:11
  looking sweater. I mean, it's that's terrific.
• 29:14
  I love it. I had the same thought and this
• 29:16
  is jumping ahead slightly when Mochi presents her present to
• 29:20
  read and it's this gorgeously wrapped thing with like a little
• 29:24
  cluster of wintery foliage and it looks like you know handmade
• 29:30
  paper that was colored with watercolor paints and looks like
• 29:34
  someone got to make Take that. Yeah, it's true.
• 29:39
  Well let's talk about that. So yeah, red and mokey are
• 29:43
  exchanging gifts. Sort of bread doesn't really
• 29:45
  want to because she she doesn't say in this scene why she didn't
• 29:51
  want to exchange gifts. She's kind of like a bouska.
• 29:53
  Say it and then Yankee, he cuts her off, right?
• 29:57
  Yeah, I'm okay. Gives her of this painting of
• 29:59
  red diving into the pond and the, she like holds a glow grape
• 30:02
  up to it and it looks like it's supposed to do something really
• 30:05
  special. Special to me.
• 30:06
  It just looked like it kind of lit it up a little bit, right.
• 30:09
  Like it was it anything more than that to you to me?
• 30:12
  It reminded me of like you know, those black light paintings.
• 30:15
  Yeah. but I'm guessing if all of the other lighting sources were
• 30:21
  gone, man. It was just glow.
• 30:22
  Great lights that. Maybe it might look cooler.
• 30:25
  Yeah, I know, I was expecting something like, oh, what if you
• 30:29
  hold the little grape up to it? Then there's like a secret
• 30:32
  pattern behind it or, you know, it spells your name.
• 30:35
  I don't know what, but it was just like, oh, yes, it made it
• 30:37
  like the light made, it slightly lighter, that's what light does.
• 30:45
  It is a very thoughtful gift and now red needs to try to, you
• 30:49
  know, one upper and find a great gift to give back to her.
• 30:52
  That's going to be read and mokey's little Runner throughout
• 30:55
  this episode. The the world's oldest fraggle
• 30:58
  over here. Is everybody talking about how
• 30:59
  great the lights are and he elevated runs in and goes
• 31:02
  loop-de-loop? T these lights were real.
• 31:04
  We wouldn't be dancing. The lights would be dancing.
• 31:07
  And he sounds like a crazy old man.
• 31:09
  I love the world's oldest Fraggle.
• 31:13
  It's so good because they have you know they have their little
• 31:17
  moment of just not in smile and and humor, the old guy but the
• 31:23
  music that was playing while he was talking.
• 31:25
  I was like this has a definite are of chekhov's.
• 31:30
  Dancing lights to it. Timbaland and the fraggles are
• 31:36
  decide they're going to start making some night of the light
• 31:38
  wishes. I guess this is the tradition.
• 31:40
  Is that you make wishes on the night of the lights.
• 31:44
  When we wishes, he can find the biggest.
• 31:45
  Most special most magical light any fraggle has ever seen.
• 31:49
  Gobo keeps his wishes secret. Red wishes she can find a great
• 31:53
  grip for mokey mokey later will tell us that she has a wish but
• 31:58
  she doesn't actually make it in this scene boober wishes to make
• 32:03
  it through the night. He says, I'm not shooting for
• 32:05
  the Stars here, just trying to see another day.
• 32:07
  Thanks for your time. So relatable my dude.
• 32:13
  So good at such that such a good mood.
• 32:15
  Were line in gentleman wishes that he can dance with Coop.
• 32:18
  Remember, Coop, we have, we said his name like 12 times and since
• 32:21
  that's our money back, everybody coup.
• 32:24
  Yes. And then we hear this, like,
• 32:25
  disco tune and coops legs, like, extend out, and then he like,
• 32:28
  dances a little bit and then he goes right back down and so it
• 32:33
  really is. Very cute.
• 32:35
  It's some nice puppetry. It's it's a cool character
• 32:38
  design once he kind of extends those legs.
• 32:42
  But, that's it for cool. That's a wrap on Coop everybody
• 32:45
  for now my coop, nose, no nose. What's happening in the future?
• 32:48
  I hope they'll be amazing if we maybe got more coming season to.
• 32:52
  Yeah, maybe Coupe. Is this Sensational character?
• 32:54
  Find of 2423 and we just don't know it.
• 32:57
  Maybe how amazing would it be if they started making Koopa
• 33:00
  merchandise and like not really anything else?
• 33:09
  Scoop. Yeah.
• 33:11
  He's, he's a collectible. Collect collect all 10.
• 33:17
  I was going to say about the wishes, I like that first.
• 33:20
  We get Wembley be in. Like I want to find the
• 33:23
  brightest light and then everybody else gets a nice
• 33:26
  little character beat, and then gentleman is just like, I never
• 33:29
  mind. Let's do that first one, but
• 33:32
  yeah. It's very like, it's like all
• 33:36
  the rest of this was just like a fun side thing, but that first
• 33:39
  one Wembley said, that's it. That's the rest of the episode.
• 33:42
  Let's go. Yeah, first idea, best idea, you
• 33:45
  can sorry, everybody else. You're on your own line.
• 33:49
  There's a line that the world's oldest fraggle has a little a
• 33:54
  little later on. He says off, we go to find the
• 33:57
  show and I feel like that was a moment of like, oh, we found the
• 34:00
  direction, the show is going in. This is yes.
• 34:04
  That is that do you think that was like the fraggles are all
• 34:07
  sitting in the writers room and they're all trying to break the
• 34:09
  story? And then General in is like the
• 34:12
  head writer. And he's like no.
• 34:13
  That's that like that one. Let's go with that we found the
• 34:16
  show. Yeah, definitely.
• 34:18
  Pretty much. The world's oldest fraggle over
• 34:21
  here is all this, and he offers to lead everyone to a giant
• 34:25
  special light, boober says. So we're leaving the safety of
• 34:29
  our incredibly well lit. Great Hall on the darkest night
• 34:32
  of the year to follow him. Toria SLI unreliable fraggle on
• 34:36
  an adventure to find some kind of light and Wembley goes.
• 34:39
  Yeah, he says just sort of recapping right?
• 34:43
  So something bad happens you can't say that boober didn't
• 34:45
  recap again they're in the writers room.
• 34:50
  They're breaking the story and boobers like well we got to have
• 34:53
  a recap. We gotta tell everybody what
• 34:54
  we're doing can just jump in. Yeah that's storytelling 101
• 34:58
  everybody. The Doozers over here all this
• 35:04
  and they want to find the special light as well.
• 35:06
  That point, I thought there was going to be a lot more of a
• 35:09
  doozer subplot than there actually ends up being yeah.
• 35:12
  Thanks when we first see him nine minutes in or whatever?
• 35:15
  I was like. Oh cool.
• 35:16
  Dudes are time and then there's like me maybe a minute or
• 35:20
  something. You know Tony.
• 35:21
  Yeah this is this is like what what you guys were saying before
• 35:25
  when I was talking about large Marvin for some ungodly reason
• 35:29
  that Like everyone kind of gets their moment like the like we
• 35:32
  have the Doozers here because we want the Doozers to make an
• 35:34
  appearance, but the episodes not really about the Doozers you
• 35:36
  know or like even the beat like there's not room for a bee pot
• 35:39
  about the Doozers but we want to make sure that they're
• 35:41
  represented and like as the fraggles are now like leaving
• 35:44
  the Great Hall how else you going to get the Doozers in
• 35:47
  there? Unless they kind of follow the
• 35:50
  kind of just like chime in to be like.
• 35:51
  Hey guys were here to as you're walking away from us.
• 35:55
  Right. The architect user suggest that
• 35:59
  they should find the light because they can use it to work.
• 36:02
  And then he says, for a very long time, just as cotter pin
• 36:05
  and saying forever and he goes oh no.
• 36:08
  Yours is better. Yeah that was a good as a good.
• 36:10
  You could tell. And also that was John tartaglia
• 36:12
  like a bitchy. The script said forever and then
• 36:15
  he's just messing around because he's John tartaglia he can do
• 36:19
  that. Yeah.
• 36:21
  Yeah. And also it's hysterical and the
• 36:23
  architect is hysterical. Speaking of characters who just
• 36:29
  got a couple of moments, the fraggles are cutting through the
• 36:31
  gorgs garden and the world's oldest fraggle.
• 36:36
  Basically just like shouts and runs across the garden like
• 36:39
  willy nilly. This is where jandal and
• 36:43
  starting to show his this like reverence for the world's oldest
• 36:46
  fraggle. He goes Fearless what?
• 36:49
  Nikon so I got it I got it. Something yo Jam Dolan talking
• 36:58
  about the world's oldest fraggle.
• 36:58
  Has episode sounds exactly like you talking about every
• 37:02
  celebrity you've ever met. Yeah I can see that.
• 37:06
  You do that all the time. I have I have this this joke, my
• 37:10
  wife, Sarah and I have this joke where if we've ever encountered
• 37:14
  a celebrity like even if it's like we didn't speak to them
• 37:16
  like you know, like that time that I was on a plane and Jane
• 37:20
  Krakowski was also on that plane, you know, we always refer
• 37:24
  to the As like, oh, it's my buddy.
• 37:26
  Like yeah, yeah, it's my buddy, Jane Krakowski, who we were on
• 37:30
  that flight together to La. You know what I mean?
• 37:32
  Right, Joe, you told me the words, it was my buddy, Charles,
• 37:35
  entertaining, and cheese. Did I say my buddy?
• 37:39
  Charles David cheese, you're mixing your mixing?
• 37:44
  And then I said that's the chap. We're just stupid, catchphrases
• 37:51
  stupid. Catchphrases That's actually
• 37:55
  what you got me was. Did you know that I met my
• 37:59
  buddy, Charles entertainment cheese?
• 38:03
  That's the chap. I hope everyone listening
• 38:09
  listens to all of the topics podcast, so they can understand
• 38:13
  every stupid jokes everyone listening to.
• 38:15
  This is a Johannes superfan. I'm sorry.
• 38:17
  But wow, and now you're you, if you are a Johanna superfan, then
• 38:21
  you're my buddy, and I'm your bun.
• 38:22
  Been one, I've been working since 2004.
• 38:25
  You know, that what I've talked about the people listening
• 38:27
  Anthony. Oh, okay, yeah.
• 38:29
  Now we're all buddies. Yeah.
• 38:34
  Well that said what else happens on this?
• 38:37
  Okay, we got to take a moment to appreciate the gorgs outfits.
• 38:42
  This is incredible at jr. Is wearing a full radish, print
• 38:46
  onesie with butt flap of course, because that's how you indicate
• 38:52
  an adorable child character at Christmas time.
• 38:55
  A onesie with the classic baby Fozzie outfit there and then my
• 39:01
  own pain. Are in Holiday sweaters with I
• 39:04
  think radishes on them and they're all stringing.
• 39:07
  Blow grapes around a stone thing.
• 39:10
  I couldn't figure out what it was.
• 39:13
  Okay, question. I didn't I didn't look close
• 39:14
  enough. But yeah, I was probably this
• 39:16
  probably as a stand-in for what the fountain was, which got
• 39:20
  destroyed in the season finale. Yeah.
• 39:23
  So I can remember, who said it. I feel like in one of the
• 39:27
  fraggle talk interviews that I did.
• 39:30
  Someone mention someone was talking about Karen prell and
• 39:33
  how she has this encyclopedic knowledge for the original
• 39:34
  series. And she had said something along
• 39:37
  the lines of like, oh well if you're doing like you know,
• 39:39
  Juniors pajamas, then like he's got pajamas.
• 39:43
  It's this radish prints and you know, whatever this is they had,
• 39:45
  they wouldn't sourced it and found it, it didn't occur to me
• 39:48
  in that moment that I don't know if we saw jr.
• 39:51
  In his pajamas in the season and she may have been talking about
• 39:55
  this special. Yeah, right.
• 40:00
  So I did, I didn't put that together time, that would have
• 40:03
  tipped me off. That is there a 14th episode
• 40:06
  that you're not telling us about?
• 40:09
  But yes, all those little sweaters are amazing Junior's.
• 40:12
  Pajamas are amazing, and he's also, I like the Juniors also
• 40:15
  wearing his crown of the same time, which we don't see him.
• 40:17
  We're very often. Yeah, I think of the original
• 40:20
  series, he doesn't have one at all until he inherits it from
• 40:23
  pot. The very end the end.
• 40:25
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:25
  You might be right? Yeah?
• 40:26
  Again, Barry Allen messing up. The timeline.
• 40:30
  Totally does. It's all does the the gorgs have
• 40:37
  strung the castle with glow grapes, they're about to turn
• 40:40
  them on Pas gorgs. So it's kind of Awesome.
• 40:43
  But beforehand pod gorg is counting down and he goes 32
• 40:48
  fraggles and then they are about to pounce on the fraggles and
• 40:53
  then the lights turn on and blind everybody.
• 40:55
  But what I found amusing about this is that Stu jokes about
• 40:58
  countdowns where they replace the word with something.
• 41:00
  That is not a number in this episode, right?
• 41:03
  Someone that someone thought that was the best joke to make.
• 41:08
  I thought it was a good running gag.
• 41:10
  I could have used a third, I needed a rule of three for that
• 41:12
  one. One or a rule presently pending
• 41:15
  on just like your coming is. Yeah, just like myth.
• 41:20
  You know. They only do the myth running
• 41:21
  game twice. Yeah, they should done with the
• 41:23
  third time. That's right, so the fraggles
• 41:30
  continue on. They pass the trash Heap.
• 41:32
  Who Marjorie is wearing sunglasses?
• 41:35
  Following guns are also wearing sunglasses.
• 41:37
  So good, one of them, I camera, which one?
• 41:39
  Now, one of them has like, like an orange peel on the
• 41:42
  sunglasses. As well.
• 41:43
  Yeah, I forgot to know down which one it was.
• 41:46
  Yeah. It was either file or guns and
• 41:49
  you'll have to watch the episode to find out.
• 41:51
  There's some sort of device to remember, which one is
• 41:53
  following, which one is guns, right?
• 41:54
  Yep, philo's, pink and guns is gray.
• 41:57
  Yep. Probably thinking went straight.
• 41:59
  There you go. Yes, but it's the opposite for
• 42:04
  remembering, which one was Dave goals?
• 42:05
  Which one was Richard Hunt? Because I want to say Goals is
• 42:08
  gray, is gunge but that's not true.
• 42:11
  It's hunts is They gunge, right? Because I remember that because
• 42:16
  gunge, the great and glorious, the episode is all about guns
• 42:20
  and that frigid hunt, like he gets to sing that we're gonna
• 42:23
  party on Friday and Saturday night.
• 42:25
  He gets it should hunt all over the place because they're all
• 42:28
  over the place. Amazing, how lucky we are to
• 42:35
  have this show in our lives. Right.
• 42:36
  Right right. So good.
• 42:40
  This beautiful moment, they're rushing by boober.
• 42:42
  Says that they're following the world's oldest fraggle to guiche
• 42:45
  knows where he says. So the I put on the subtitles
• 42:49
  from what is guiche? I put I put on the subtitles and
• 42:51
  the subtitle said Goose to Goose not well - I don't know.
• 42:57
  We should be guiche, it could be Goose, maybe there's something
• 43:00
  else. Very well could be wrong, I have
• 43:01
  genuinely have no idea. Like at that point like, why did
• 43:04
  you why did you say it? If it was going to be so.
• 43:06
  But if it's hard to understand, it's Goose goose, that actually
• 43:09
  makes sense to me because I don't know about this Jess.
• 43:13
  This is that's true but like when we in my house, we have
• 43:18
  small children. We often substitute goose down
• 43:23
  or another profanity with the same.
• 43:24
  Initials for example, her singing, cabinet battle, number
• 43:29
  two, from Hamilton. Hamilton first line is you must
• 43:33
  be out of your goose down mind. If you think, you know, so that
• 43:40
  made sense to me, that, that would be boobers.
• 43:42
  So, sued for that as well. All right, I'll accept that,
• 43:46
  I'll accept it. I like also when Jam Dylan
• 43:49
  passes by, he goes delightful to see you Marjorie.
• 43:53
  You look trashy and she kind of like fans herself off.
• 43:59
  Yeah, I mean If gentle and said that to me, I take it as a
• 44:04
  compliment. Sure.
• 44:05
  Yeah. Oh, absolutely awesome.
• 44:08
  Yeah. There's not many fraggles at
• 44:10
  like ooze sexuality. But like, it's basically just
• 44:14
  jandralyn, like, as he do. You think Janet Dolan is the
• 44:17
  sexiest fraggle? Now, I'm trying to think.
• 44:20
  Like, that's the thing. Yeah, I'm thinking about it, I'm
• 44:25
  laughing because the truth is that large.
• 44:27
  Marvin is the sexiest rival. I mean, Well, the question is,
• 44:31
  how many fraggles are played by daveed Diggs, right?
• 44:35
  That's a very good point. Yeah, right?
• 44:37
  Yeah, yeah. That's a very good point.
• 44:39
  Wow. All right.
• 44:40
  Well, we don't need to think about this any further because
• 44:41
  it's just going to get disturbing Marjorie warns, the
• 44:45
  fraggles about the num num Birds because they eat glow grapes and
• 44:50
  that that scene just oozes with foreshadowing.
• 44:53
  All right, of course. Guns even says ominous.
• 44:57
  Yes. It's true on the red pops back
• 45:01
  in and I like that she has the trash heaps of.
• 45:03
  She has any gifts, like something that she can give some
• 45:05
  Mochi for, for the holiday and you, which, by the way, she
• 45:09
  should, because she is made up of everything, it should be
• 45:11
  really easy to get a gift item. Archery, but she goes not a
• 45:13
  store honey. Yeah, it's great.
• 45:17
  It's a great line reading. I love that.
• 45:21
  So the fraggles continue on, they find themselves in another
• 45:23
  cave. Well first of all these spot mud
• 45:26
  well the mud bunny which is always nice to see that that
• 45:29
  dude also from the original episode gone but not forgotten
• 45:34
  You just kind of runs off chuckling to himself.
• 45:37
  So he don't get to know if he's named Bud.
• 45:41
  Well, the mud buddy or if like the guney he's got a new name.
• 45:45
  Just like some other me. Yeah, that's right.
• 45:48
  Yes, we should. Well, and we maybe should know
• 45:51
  because there are people watching this show who maybe
• 45:54
  wouldn't, recognize mud wall of mud bunny from Fraggle Rock, but
• 45:57
  wouldn't recognize him as a pirate from Muppet Treasure
• 46:01
  Island. Yep, that's complete one of
• 46:03
  those. It's always around in that.
• 46:05
  Yeah, he's the one that's crying over dead, Tom's dead, right,
• 46:09
  exactly. Yeah, exactly.
• 46:12
  So, yeah, it's completely serious here.
• 46:13
  He is back again. Yeah, that's right.
• 46:17
  Boober points out. It feels like they've been
• 46:19
  walking in circles, which makes sense.
• 46:21
  Because like again, like, they're back in the rock or at
• 46:24
  least it seems to us like they're back in Fraggle.
• 46:26
  Rock, why did they cut through the gorgs garden?
• 46:28
  Why are they pass through the trash Heap?
• 46:29
  When really, they could have just stayed in the Rock and I
• 46:33
  think we'll We'll see why in a minute.
• 46:35
  But in the moment and in boobers eyes, it does actually seem like
• 46:39
  they're walking in circles did that speak to anyone else of
• 46:44
  there's Solstice tradition of walking the Labyrinth call him
• 46:52
  another hands of production. Now, granted the Labyrinth of
• 46:55
  the movie, Labyrinth is actually amazed because you can get lost
• 46:58
  in there, lots of dead ends, but in an actual Labyrinth, there's
• 47:00
  only one path. And the only place you can go.
• 47:03
  Oh, is to keep going forward and and that is a solstice
• 47:07
  tradition. And I was like, are they like
• 47:10
  paying homage to that? Or is that just a coincidence
• 47:12
  that I'm choosing to see? Good question.
• 47:14
  Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:17
  That's something about. I'd never heard of that
• 47:19
  tradition. Because I also when I think of
• 47:21
  like if I was going to link Labyrinth or a labyrinth to a
• 47:25
  holiday, I would think maybe Halloween.
• 47:29
  But probably just cause I'm thinking of like like like a hay
• 47:32
  maze. At like an apple picking farm
• 47:35
  right where you would get your pumpkin for Halloween, you know?
• 47:37
  But that's what I guess I wasn't saying that.
• 47:39
  Certainly a holiday thing. Yeah, that's more like a like, a
• 47:44
  pagan Solstice tradition where like, you know, it's towards the
• 47:47
  end of the year. You do some reflecting while
• 47:51
  you're walking about the past year and your intentions for the
• 47:55
  following year. Sure.
• 47:56
  Yeah, very glitch. Yeah, sure.
• 47:59
  Yeah, the world's oldest Fraggle says, this is definitely the
• 48:05
  right way. Just one quick question, where
• 48:08
  we going again and this is starting a new running gag here
• 48:14
  for the rest of the episode where the world's oldest fraggle
• 48:16
  is apparently very forgetful. I like that.
• 48:20
  Red goes, we were following you and he goes oh we're yelling
• 48:24
  now. Oh that's fun.
• 48:30
  It reminds me of that scene an Anchorman when they're all
• 48:33
  shouting and Steve Carell's like loud noises.
• 48:37
  It's like that we're just shopping everybody's just
• 48:39
  shouting all the time. Yep the world's oldest fraggle
• 48:45
  shares. A flashback to the first time he
• 48:47
  saw the lights and we get amazing flashback.
• 48:51
  Yes, Anthony. Oh man.
• 48:53
  It's the it's the is my favorite part of the whole episode.
• 48:55
  It's this flashback credible. Yeah, it's incredible good.
• 48:59
  How Get what a gift that we got with just specifically this
• 49:03
  flashback. Can I say two words?
• 49:06
  Yeah, cave Ink Spot. Saber-tooth Ink Spots.
• 49:12
  These agree to buy ink spots. So good incredible we came.
• 49:17
  So we see saber-tooth Ink Spots. We see cave fraggles are
• 49:21
  basically like fraggle cavemen. There's giant radish.
• 49:25
  Has a size of the Lord's House. Yeah.
• 49:28
  Right. Exactly.
• 49:29
  Okay. They say the world's oldest
• 49:31
  fraggle claims. Oh back then radishes, were the
• 49:33
  size of quarks that radish was only about the size of like two
• 49:36
  or three freckles put together. Yeah but he was so tiny.
• 49:40
  Okay, so that lets look, we got to talk about this point.
• 49:43
  Like he's so tiny and also like his memory sucks but like, it's
• 49:46
  like a get. It's like when you go back to
• 49:47
  your old high school and you're like, man, this place seems
• 49:49
  smaller than I remember. It's like, yeah, because you're
• 49:51
  here. Better human and memory is
• 49:53
  weird. Okay.
• 49:54
  But but, but here's the real, the real key to this sequence is
• 49:58
  how we get baby world's oldest fraggle.
• 50:00
  We get the world's oldest fraggle.
• 50:04
  And what credible, what's so funny about it?
• 50:07
  Is that one of the cave fraggles addresses him The world's
• 50:11
  youngest fraggle in the, in the steam.
• 50:14
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I wonder is.
• 50:16
  Every time a new fraggle is born.
• 50:18
  They get to be called that. Hi everyone.
• 50:22
  Good, next one comes along it being the world's youngest
• 50:24
  Frank, really like that. That's it.
• 50:26
  Also indicates that like for some reason he was never given a
• 50:29
  proper name. He was always addressed
• 50:32
  regarding his age. So do you think do you think
• 50:34
  that between the like him being the newest fraggle, born or
• 50:40
  hatched to him being the oldest fraggle?
• 50:44
  He was like the world's Middle East fraggle.
• 50:47
  The world's most middle-aged Fraggle More world's medalist
• 50:50
  fraggle. Yeah, medalist is definitely a
• 50:53
  work nowadays. Yes, absolutely.
• 50:56
  He he says I was just the world's youngest fraggle back
• 51:00
  then, clear-eyed and fresh bearded.
• 51:02
  And red says, wait, he still had a beard, he goes no questions.
• 51:05
  This is my flashback. Yeah, that rules and the little,
• 51:09
  the little beard on the world's. Youngest Franco is adorable.
• 51:14
  The whole world's a and the giant eyes?
• 51:17
  And instead of carrying a staff he's carrying Little at all.
• 51:22
  God, it's just the, the character design for that is
• 51:26
  amazing. I mean, baby Yoda who, right?
• 51:29
  Oh yeah, right. Well, you know, who is
• 51:31
  you-know-who is Giant Eyes? Kind of reminded me?
• 51:33
  Of this is baby. Dory in Finding Dory.
• 51:37
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I could see that movie, that I
• 51:41
  saw about 50 times, when Iris was like three and four.
• 51:44
  I mean, we watched, it was like all we did was watch.
• 51:46
  Yeah, baby. Yeah.
• 51:47
  Back then, that's a, that's a good.
• 51:51
  Much like a fraggle, that is a character who had big eyes in
• 51:54
  the first place and then with these short, as a baby has even
• 51:57
  larger eyes. So that's what, yeah?
• 52:00
  So this is another way that the the timeline has changed.
• 52:05
  Because in this timeline, they knew about radishes from the
• 52:10
  get-go and in the original series, Matt.
• 52:12
  Discovers them when he discovers the gorgs garden when he's a
• 52:16
  child. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:19
  Do you think they were even doing this before that?
• 52:21
  And the time with, I'm going to throw out a crazy theory is
• 52:25
  traveling. Matt secretly older than the
• 52:27
  world's oldest fraggle. Could that have taken place
• 52:30
  before this flashback? I was thinking Global wasn't a
• 52:34
  caveman but there but we also know there's different fraggle
• 52:38
  tribes, you know, this might just get a specific group of
• 52:42
  cave fraggles. I was.
• 52:44
  Yeah, what if this is an example of the Worlds This fraggle being
• 52:51
  fearful again and like, oh, of course, we had radishes back
• 52:54
  then when they actually didn't or they did have radishes back
• 52:58
  then and then everyone forgot about them until Matt discovered
• 53:01
  them again. Yeah, he's definitely like an
• 53:03
  unreliable narrator. Like the think that's clear
• 53:06
  forever doesn't have guys. I think both of those guys are
• 53:08
  unreliable narrators though, to. That's true.
• 53:11
  Like, maybe they've goals did goals is just an unreliable
• 53:15
  narrator. That's perfect.
• 53:26
  Damn. But last time I checked in the
• 53:42
  corner, Wow example. Yeah, you know baby Gonzo had a
• 53:52
  clear memory of being raised by his parents but adult Gonzo was
• 53:58
  an alien or something. Okay let's move on just real
• 54:03
  quickly and another tiny indicator of being ancient
• 54:08
  times. Is that in addition to the
• 54:10
  saber-tooth Ink Spots, you know, the little puppets that Kind of
• 54:14
  look like, you know, cat sized elephants.
• 54:17
  This one is now looking like a miniature woolly mammoth.
• 54:20
  Yeah. And I want to be able to go to
• 54:22
  build a bear and make why? Yeah that little guy he's like
• 54:28
  yeah I spotted him I forgot about him already because it was
• 54:31
  so so busy looking they'll say or do things spots.
• 54:34
  Yeah rules I love. That is.
• 54:36
  Why don't we have Ink Spots that you can buy as a toy.
• 54:39
  Like I don't understand this world that I can't own a name
• 54:43
  spot. Yeah, and then like commission
• 54:45
  somebody to make you an Ink Spot you probably.
• 54:47
  Yeah, I really should. Yeah.
• 54:48
  All right. I'm working on those people.
• 54:50
  Yeah. Yeah, we'll call in a couple
• 54:52
  favors so in this flashback, the world's youngest fraggle wanders
• 54:58
  through a cave and he looks up and sees what he describes as a
• 55:02
  million Wiggler's in the goopy goop.
• 55:06
  And of course, none of this makes any sense.
• 55:09
  The fraggles don't get it but Jim dalen in Santa Fe Yeah.
• 55:14
  Yeah. Right.
• 55:14
  The Fanboy Gamble and has faith that this means something.
• 55:18
  He says, maybe something we lost sight of and world's oldest
• 55:22
  fraggle, says exactly. Now does anyone know where we're
• 55:25
  going? Cuz he's still lost.
• 55:28
  He doesn't know where he's going.
• 55:29
  He's so old you guys. So he's the same age as Fraggle.
• 55:34
  Rock of jab. That's, that's true.
• 55:37
  Yeah. And we also got a good line
• 55:38
  reading from Mochi, where she goes.
• 55:40
  I don't mean to be negative, especially on my the lights, but
• 55:43
  this guy has no idea where he's going.
• 55:47
  Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, that's good stuff.
• 55:49
  So, the other thing I wanted to mention about world's youngest
• 55:51
  fraggle. This there was like a split
• 55:53
  second of him in one of the The trailers for, for the season of
• 55:59
  the show. So that was one of the things
• 56:01
  that is that a muppet fan had spotted.
• 56:03
  And when the season was over went, ah, where did that shot
• 56:08
  come from week? We saw a baby world's oldest
• 56:10
  fraggle and it was not in the show, so we kind of had a
• 56:13
  feeling, there was more coming, that was already filmed.
• 56:17
  So that was that was clue. Number one, clue number two, for
• 56:21
  me at least and no one else, no, explain that in a second came up
• 56:24
  in this next sequence because Red says it feels like we're
• 56:27
  following gobos Uncle Matt and if so of course gobos like oh so
• 56:31
  we'll read the next postcard and 0 which by the way also like of
• 56:38
  course following the world's oldest fraggle.
• 56:40
  Feels like following Uncle Matt because they're both made the
• 56:44
  perfect guy red red figured out before the rest of us.
• 56:49
  Oh and then Gobo starts reading dear, nephew Gobo, that's a g,
• 56:53
  the handwriting's messy. I like that.
• 56:57
  And then yeah. We got the sequence of like Matt
• 56:59
  is like sneaking into people's houses.
• 57:01
  Oh yeah. You guys get to my favorite line
• 57:02
  of that which is Gobo says he's going to read the postcard or
• 57:06
  whatever because read write it up and read says, don't put that
• 57:09
  on me, I think is really funny. That's good stuff because
• 57:16
  breads, like, complete, hatred, and dismissal of Matt has always
• 57:20
  been one of my favorite things about Fraggle Rock.
• 57:23
  Yeah and I love that. They loved it.
• 57:25
  They kept it up in the new show. I need to.
• 57:27
  I need a Supercut of all the red acting disgusted at Matt Matt's
• 57:32
  post cards. Yeah, that needs to happen.
• 57:36
  So in the postcard, Matt is sneaking into people's homes and
• 57:39
  watching them, celebrate different holidays.
• 57:41
  Most of them are candle-lighting holidays, we see to Ali and
• 57:44
  Hanukkah and Kwanzaa. See people lighting Christmas
• 57:47
  tree and it ends with him being caught by the family that
• 57:53
  celebrating Diwali. And then, Dump the whole plate
• 57:55
  of food directly into his mouth. Happy holidays, everybody.
• 57:58
  That's pretty funny. Well, get something like this, I
• 58:02
  liked it because it felt like the original the original.
• 58:06
  This is not a remake of bezel Fraggle Rock.
• 58:08
  Buzzer Fraggle Rock. The Dock and sprocket subplot is
• 58:11
  about them trying to celebrate it all different.
• 58:13
  Winter holidays, a shrew? Yeah.
• 58:15
  So so I really like that. That's what Matt's post Carter
• 58:19
  was about, you know. Yeah.
• 58:20
  And you know for someone like me who like I was I was raised
• 58:24
  Jewish. So we're Always kind of like
• 58:25
  looking for the Hanukkah references and all these
• 58:27
  Christmases and and generic holiday specials.
• 58:30
  So like this to me was also the Bob saying that mr.
• 58:34
  Hooper happy Hanukkah moments, you know, I'm just gonna throw
• 58:39
  you a little bone there, you know, for if you celebrate the
• 58:42
  other thing, the others but but everything is an other two
• 58:46
  fraggles because they're celebrating my the lights, they
• 58:49
  don't know what Christmas is. Unless they remembered meeting,
• 58:52
  Kermit Kermit, Robin Robin. That's right.
• 58:57
  So the the other clue to me again, and no one else, that
• 59:02
  that there was a bonus episode coming of Fraggle Rock, that was
• 59:06
  already filmed when I was doing one of the fraggle, talk
• 59:11
  interviews. I was talking to us for the
• 59:14
  finale, so the previous episode to this one.
• 59:19
  I was talking to John tartaglia and Hello, Stanford.
• 59:22
  And I asked them, what was the last thing that was filmed.
• 59:26
  And the told me I do remember what their answer was.
• 59:29
  But then Halle Stanford corrected herself and said, oh
• 59:32
  no, the last thing that was filmed was the traveling Matt
• 59:35
  where he's celebrating Christmas and after the interview was over
• 59:40
  she said would you mind cutting that from the interview we're
• 59:45
  not allowed to talk about that yet?
• 59:47
  And I went yes, that's perfectly fine.
• 59:48
  So so I was like I think there's more Or coming.
• 59:52
  Hmm. They could neither confirm nor
• 59:54
  deny. So yeah.
• 59:57
  Now the Secret's out. So now I finally got this off my
• 1:00:00
  chest. You don't know how good this
• 1:00:01
  feels. So while they've been read this
• 1:00:07
  postcard, the world's oldest fraggle, has wandered off once
• 1:00:10
  again, but they say, don't worry.
• 1:00:12
  It's not like they're lost in the dark.
• 1:00:13
  They got their glow grapes. And then as if checkoff had
• 1:00:18
  heard them from Beyond the Grave, The num num Birds show up
• 1:00:23
  and they take the grapes and it's presumably, eat them off
• 1:00:26
  screen and it becomes very, very dark.
• 1:00:30
  I apologize for it. Sorry.
• 1:00:32
  We're very hungry. This time of year.
• 1:00:34
  Sorry? Yeah it's nice.
• 1:00:37
  Yeah, that's pretty good. So they could have like left
• 1:00:39
  them one but sure. Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  I guess they were really hungry. You're just so hungry.
• 1:00:45
  I don't know what else num num, birds eat, maybe there's nothing
• 1:00:48
  else. Maybe this is the one time of
• 1:00:49
  year that they can eat anything. So they eat think, you know,
• 1:00:53
  maybe they maybe they eat The Grapes of generosity and then
• 1:00:57
  oh, Wow. Wow guys, love grapes.
• 1:01:05
  They're always like you got any grapes?
• 1:01:09
  No, this is a lemonade stand. No, okay, we're getting way off.
• 1:01:15
  Okay, so the so it's very dark. Red is kind of scared.
• 1:01:20
  Some Mochi goes in to give her a hug, but of course, she can't
• 1:01:23
  see anything. So, she hugs Jam Dolan, which is
• 1:01:25
  adorable. Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  Red admits to Not getting Mochi a gift.
• 1:01:31
  So, remote key goes in for another hug.
• 1:01:33
  And once again, hugs jammed Alan.
• 1:01:35
  It's great, could have used a third one.
• 1:01:38
  Could use the rule of three and that joke, but we only got two.
• 1:01:41
  That's okay. Only do the role of to on
• 1:01:43
  Fraggle Rock. That's right.
• 1:01:44
  That's how they do things in fraggle.
• 1:01:47
  Well, because remember when they were counting down, they
• 1:01:48
  replaced 3v with pickle so they just don't have the concept of
• 1:01:52
  three. Oh my gosh.
• 1:01:54
  Whoa, there you go. Wow!
• 1:01:58
  Oh, you just blew my mind? Mind.
• 1:02:00
  Wow. All right.
• 1:02:01
  All right, now I'm looking for it.
• 1:02:04
  I'm going to look to see if they ever mention.
• 1:02:05
  The number three in this series. I'm sure they must have will
• 1:02:10
  find out. All right, we're gonna.
• 1:02:11
  All right, we're going to keep track now.
• 1:02:13
  So all the fraggles seem to feel kind of guilty and responsible,
• 1:02:16
  because they all wished to big and like, this is what Joe did
• 1:02:19
  you go? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:21
  Give me one and give me to cover me with my Kangoo.
• 1:02:24
  Give me three and give me, four smother me with got canned corn.
• 1:02:29
  Because if you count to three, you can see this timeline or all
• 1:02:33
  right. There you go, that's true.
• 1:02:34
  Yeah. Anyway, maybe get maybe Barry
• 1:02:37
  Allen went back in time to save his mom.
• 1:02:39
  Another number three doesn't exist eradicated the number
• 1:02:42
  three. That's right.
• 1:02:45
  Anyway, so all the yeah. It's like she never got a
• 1:02:51
  present for Mochi. Everyone's like admitting the
• 1:02:54
  thing, they secretly feel bad about and Wembley, of course,
• 1:02:58
  Wembley is the first To be like, is this, my fault for wishing to
• 1:03:01
  big and like that, bro? My heart like oh buddy.
• 1:03:05
  Oh buddy. And then we finally get to hear
• 1:03:08
  what Mochi wish for like I wish for listen connection but I get
• 1:03:12
  that all the time with you guys and then boober.
• 1:03:16
  Oh my God. You're like no, no guys, this
• 1:03:18
  one's on me. I shouldn't have wished to make
• 1:03:20
  it through the night. I got greedy.
• 1:03:23
  Oh, buddy. Oh buddy.
• 1:03:25
  We'll talk about that little buddy.
• 1:03:27
  Are you okay? And that's one of those things.
• 1:03:31
  That's one of the things that has always been.
• 1:03:33
  So great about Fraggle Rock, though.
• 1:03:35
  Is that like ever-present sense of existential dread, right?
• 1:03:40
  Mmm-hmm, yeah, this is a show for children.
• 1:03:43
  That has like multiple songs. I there's a song where go below
• 1:03:48
  has things the line. I summed, I know that nothing's
• 1:03:51
  made of steel. I sometimes think that nothing's
• 1:03:55
  real, right? And that's just like one random
• 1:03:57
  set, right? It's like Dixie.
• 1:03:59
  Waylon is like, a funeral dirge can.
• 1:04:01
  Oh yeah. Right.
• 1:04:01
  You know, this million of. So it's George just great.
• 1:04:06
  That they keep that, like that's one of those things that could
• 1:04:08
  have so easily not been present it.
• 1:04:11
  When they brought the show back, you know, like sand off some of
• 1:04:14
  those darker edges, I really appreciate that.
• 1:04:17
  They gave that existential dread to booper, because in the
• 1:04:21
  original series, like, obviously, he had that he had a
• 1:04:23
  lot of superstitions, he also had a lot of fear of disease and
• 1:04:28
  joy. Germs.
• 1:04:30
  And I get why the reboot chose to make a decision?
• 1:04:34
  Hey maybe let's not have boober. Have that particular fear.
• 1:04:41
  That seem very reasonable choice to make in a global pandemic,
• 1:04:48
  right? Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  Yeah, exactly. We still have to have boober be
• 1:04:54
  afraid of something and maybe afraid of everything sometimes.
• 1:05:00
  Times. Yeah, no, you're totally right.
• 1:05:03
  I didn't think about that with the germs.
• 1:05:04
  It's a really good observation and it's interesting that like,
• 1:05:08
  you know, boobers dread is definitely played it more as a
• 1:05:12
  joke than not. But the so I watched this
• 1:05:15
  episode twice in preparation for this.
• 1:05:17
  This podcast, the first time I watched it, I definitely clock
• 1:05:20
  that it was an interesting line but it didn't I didn't clock
• 1:05:23
  that it was a joke like because they're all being like Oh what
• 1:05:25
  if it's my fault or what it was my fault.
• 1:05:27
  He's like, yeah, where was my fault too?
• 1:05:28
  And you're like, yeah, boober what if it was And it was until
• 1:05:31
  the same time I'm like, oh no, that's actually really funny
• 1:05:33
  line that, you know, he's like like awesome.
• 1:05:35
  I've I shouldn't have wished that we survived, you know.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah. So like like there's that that
• 1:05:42
  moroseness to boober, not like you can't really tell if it's a
• 1:05:46
  joke or not and like, it's not depressing, but it's also not
• 1:05:50
  too funny. It's not too goofy that he's
• 1:05:54
  kind of a sad sack when it comes to this stuff.
• 1:05:57
  I don't know. It's something a lot to unpack
• 1:05:59
  with it with. Uber, so, gentle and points out
• 1:06:02
  that the problem is that they've been trying to push the darkness
• 1:06:05
  out with the lights, but there can't be any light without dark.
• 1:06:09
  So maybe, instead of pushing these should embrace the dark,
• 1:06:12
  which is a very nice sentiment. I'm not really sure what that
• 1:06:15
  means. And Beth you mentioned this at
• 1:06:17
  the top of the episode, so maybe you can explain it to me.
• 1:06:21
  It reminded to be strongly of class.
• 1:06:24
  I took at my weirdo, hippie liberal arts college with no.
• 1:06:30
  Grades or tests or majors. And in one class, I went to that
• 1:06:36
  was literally called a sense of wonder.
• 1:06:40
  We together. I'm not making this up just like
• 1:06:50
  in a class where you're supposed to sit around and wonder things.
• 1:06:54
  So not Wonder hard enough. Well yeah, there you go.
• 1:06:58
  Fair enough. We put on a celebration of
• 1:07:04
  Darkness at at the winter solstice.
• 1:07:07
  And I was suggesting, you know, when people were like putting
• 1:07:12
  ideas together, I was like, oh I'm thinking of like St.
• 1:07:15
  Lucia day cuz my, you know, my grandmother is Swedish and he
• 1:07:22
  was like, okay but we are we don't want to talk about the
• 1:07:26
  holidays where it's like you know, the return of the light
• 1:07:30
  quite yet. We want to sit in that darkness
• 1:07:33
  and like really understand that and ended up putting together
• 1:07:39
  some really cool things like a few students like re-enacted The
• 1:07:44
  Myth of the Goddess figure. If I'm gonna I think she's from
• 1:07:49
  the, the Gilgamesh epic and One person like I recited a Mary
• 1:07:58
  Oliver poem and then we had someone leading Us in singing
• 1:08:04
  together. You know that song There is a
• 1:08:08
  crack in everything. That's how the light gets in,
• 1:08:12
  you know that song? I don't know.
• 1:08:14
  Oh, come on. You guys my life.
• 1:08:17
  So when read said so they're saying like, oh yes, that you
• 1:08:20
  have to embrace the dark and then Brett says, so the light
• 1:08:23
  can come back. And I was like, Bingo, there it
• 1:08:26
  is. Yeah, well so here's the
• 1:08:29
  difference between you and me. Been yours was very thoughtful
• 1:08:33
  and philosophical and I'm just going to reference Pixar again,
• 1:08:38
  it reminds me of it's just reminded me of inside out, you
• 1:08:42
  know how like Jordan wants everything to be happy all the
• 1:08:45
  time and then the lesson is like you need sadness or happiness,
• 1:08:49
  isn't really happiness. You know, I mean inside out a
• 1:08:52
  super thoughtful and build it is.
• 1:08:54
  It is. But I just I feel bad that
• 1:08:56
  earlier I'm like This baby looks like baby Dory.
• 1:09:01
  This lesson reminds me of inside out, you know, But, but, here's
• 1:09:07
  my question though, I understand.
• 1:09:09
  We're what you're saying about the ballots, like, oh yes, we
• 1:09:12
  need to, like, embrace the darkness, like two little bit of
• 1:09:14
  light can come in, then the like can be back in our lives and
• 1:09:17
  etcetera, etcetera. But in the scope of this
• 1:09:22
  episode, the lights are out there, all kind of miserable and
• 1:09:26
  they all just go, oh, what? If we need to embrace the
• 1:09:28
  darkness and then the lights, turn on.
• 1:09:30
  It's like I don't want feel like the restaurant that isn't
• 1:09:33
  actively embracing Darkness. But I thought it was that
• 1:09:37
  because then we should get it again with the gorge where,
• 1:09:38
  like, all their lights go off and then they can see the
• 1:09:41
  Northern Lights. Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  And I think that's what it's about, right?
• 1:09:44
  It's like, we don't know, isolates, the artificial lights
• 1:09:47
  aren't as powerful as the as the northern lights that we see in
• 1:09:51
  the sky. And if we didn't, if we didn't
• 1:09:53
  have the darkness, we wouldn't have seen it, right?
• 1:09:55
  So what you're saying is literally, they wouldn't have
• 1:09:57
  been able to see the lights that were about to mention if they
• 1:10:01
  hadn't shut off their their glow crepes.
• 1:10:06
  Right. Yes.
• 1:10:06
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:10:08
  Alright, I'll accept that only true for the gorgs, but but I
• 1:10:11
  also agree with you Joe that I don't think this Theme was as
• 1:10:16
  strong as it could have been. I felt like they could have
• 1:10:19
  spent a little more time. Really having the characters
• 1:10:25
  like, figure out what? Embracing the darkness means to
• 1:10:28
  them, and why it's important to them.
• 1:10:29
  And then the light can come back.
• 1:10:31
  And also throw this out there, I think it was a bit of a cheat to
• 1:10:34
  have jammed all, and be the one to tell them that because if
• 1:10:37
  this was cantus, cantus, would have said something really
• 1:10:40
  cryptic and they would have been like Candace, what are you
• 1:10:42
  talking about? Hey, got a second.
• 1:10:45
  I I think what you're trying to say is X, Y and Z but instead
• 1:10:47
  Camden was like, here are the answers to the test and they
• 1:10:50
  were like I think I figured it out in general is like yeah,
• 1:10:54
  yeah. Yeah, it's got to be really hard
• 1:10:58
  to write for Gamblin because he's like kind of a Legacy
• 1:11:04
  character but kind of not Brent. Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Kind of a totally new character and kind of not and it would
• 1:11:12
  have helped in this case if he was a little bit more cryptic or
• 1:11:17
  aloof or I don't know what it is but not quite so like I hate to
• 1:11:21
  say normal because it's not really a normalcy thing, but
• 1:11:23
  like it kind of is like he's He can be very straightforward if
• 1:11:26
  you wants to be. Like he can say, like, he can
• 1:11:29
  say what he wants to say without being without it being
• 1:11:32
  misconstrued. Yeah.
• 1:11:34
  Maybe they could have taken it in some direction that made it
• 1:11:37
  so like, yeah, he's trying his hardest to say the thing he
• 1:11:40
  wants to say but the fraggles are going to do a little bit of
• 1:11:42
  work to kind of meet him halfway.
• 1:11:46
  Yeah, that's what I like cantus at his.
• 1:11:49
  Most infuriating moments was just bizarre and inscrutable but
• 1:11:52
  it has best moments. He was like That kind of
• 1:11:56
  parenting where you're just kind of letting the kid figure things
• 1:12:00
  out on their own and you could give them the answer.
• 1:12:02
  You could show them the answer but that's not the point right?
• 1:12:09
  Everything's a teachable moment. So to cantus.
• 1:12:14
  Like you'll figure it out on your own right?
• 1:12:16
  I mean like we might all freeze to death but like you'll figure
• 1:12:19
  it out, you'll do the right thing, right?
• 1:12:23
  Yeah. Well in any case, the lights to
• 1:12:26
  go out and as we said they spot a light coming from a nearby
• 1:12:29
  cave. The world's oldest fraggle is
• 1:12:31
  there and he leads them out to a clearing.
• 1:12:34
  We first see what looks like some Christmas real trees and
• 1:12:37
  some snow? Yes, please.
• 1:12:40
  So he has this line. Am I right?
• 1:12:44
  He sees them again, like, oh, the group is reunited and he
• 1:12:46
  says, am I with you? Or are you with me and gentle
• 1:12:49
  and says, you know, I think we're all together.
• 1:12:52
  Yeah. Anyone else get a bills
• 1:12:54
  reference out of that? Hmm.
• 1:12:56
  I did now. Wow.
• 1:12:58
  Did it was? I Am The Walrus.
• 1:13:00
  Absolutely sure. Yeah, I can see it.
• 1:13:02
  I didn't think of it but I can see it now.
• 1:13:03
  Do you say it? Wow, awesome.
• 1:13:06
  Gentlemen is always felt very like late Beatles to me and her
• 1:13:11
  think about this. You guys 1 + 1 + 1 or 3 is
• 1:13:16
  pickles. It's pickles.
• 1:13:18
  You guys. It is, so, yeah, so they go on
• 1:13:24
  to this clearing, it's snowy out there, it's cold and they look
• 1:13:28
  up and there's like an aurora borealis happening in the sky
• 1:13:33
  above them. It's beautiful, you know, light
• 1:13:37
  in the sky, its dancing around. And, as the world's oldest
• 1:13:40
  fraggle said, it's a million Wiggler's in the goopy goop.
• 1:13:45
  Which also earned him Dora - like yeah, I knew I could.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah. My guy, he says, I knew that
• 1:13:50
  made sense when he said that earlier, and he says an honorary
• 1:13:54
  nephew. Always knows.
• 1:13:56
  Yeah, I ruin. What, what, what?
• 1:14:00
  Well, just like, you get to decide that whatever celebrity
• 1:14:03
  you pass. By is your buddy.
• 1:14:05
  Jen blind has decided this guy's my uncle.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah, I guess that's Bonkers though because we've never heard
• 1:14:13
  of such a thing as an Honorary nephew on Fraggle, Rock only a
• 1:14:16
  real method and even the world's oldest fraggle.
• 1:14:20
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  Right joke. Is that jam?
• 1:14:22
  Dylan just invented honorary nephew I guess.
• 1:14:24
  Yeah. What's also interesting is like
• 1:14:27
  so we're recording this just a like a day or so I think after
• 1:14:32
  our buddy Ryan row are real buddy.
• 1:14:34
  Brian Rowe posted his interview with traveling, Matt on tough
• 1:14:38
  pigs. And he's, you know, says, you
• 1:14:42
  know, thank you for letting me, call you Call traveling that.
• 1:14:45
  So Ryan is kind of an honorary nephew to the real traveling
• 1:14:49
  Matt if you think about it. Yeah, that's pretty good
• 1:14:51
  solutely. Yeah, not bad.
• 1:14:54
  But what? I like about the whole million
• 1:14:56
  wigglers in the goopy goop thing is it reminds us the fraggles?
• 1:15:00
  Don't normally see sky. Like I'm also in the gorgs
• 1:15:03
  garden or they're like traveling match out going into outer
• 1:15:06
  space. Like he never see the sky.
• 1:15:08
  That's just the goopy goopy to them.
• 1:15:12
  Now, in the original series, there's an episode, where Mochi
• 1:15:16
  goes to see the aurora frag, Lee Alice, which appears to be
• 1:15:22
  within a cave, and we don't know what's causing it or if it's at
• 1:15:28
  all related to the Aurora Borealis that we know in outer
• 1:15:32
  space. But this is clearly outer space
• 1:15:35
  in this version, right? Because, well, well, we'll get
• 1:15:39
  to the Y as I do want to save that for the The ends.
• 1:15:41
  But let's let's wrap up red and mokey's story line here where
• 1:15:46
  Reds apologizing for not giving bokya gifts, but she gives her
• 1:15:49
  this wonderful compliment. She says, she's the most amazing
• 1:15:51
  one-of-a-kind fraggle. She's ever met.
• 1:15:53
  So glad she's our best friends mokey gives her this big hug
• 1:15:57
  doesn't hug, jambul jammed all in this time that would've been
• 1:15:59
  the rule of three gentle and like showed up in between them
• 1:16:02
  and ruined their moment. But no she hugs read says the
• 1:16:05
  best gift she ever got. And she got her wish which was
• 1:16:08
  connection. Gee, I don't know.
• 1:16:10
  She got the Bliss. You got the connection?
• 1:16:13
  And red got her wish because she got a great gift for a mochi.
• 1:16:18
  And then boober, we learn what their love languages are.
• 1:16:21
  That's true. I'm like, which is gifts and
• 1:16:23
  Red's. Love language is words of
• 1:16:25
  affirmation. Well then then boober pops up
• 1:16:28
  behind them and says and I survived that's his love
• 1:16:34
  language. His lovely was just survival, he
• 1:16:38
  did it. Good job buddy.
• 1:16:41
  Wembley, swish, swish obviously came true, he got to see the
• 1:16:44
  most Magical Lights and Fraggle Rock.
• 1:16:46
  And then we find out what gobos wish.
• 1:16:47
  It was it was for Wembley to get his wish.
• 1:16:50
  It's a bit of a cheat but I'll accept it.
• 1:16:53
  So this is when we get our second song of the episode, it's
• 1:16:56
  the song Magic be with you, it's from the original series.
• 1:17:00
  The series finale change of address.
• 1:17:03
  Hell yeah, so I went into this convinced that they were going
• 1:17:06
  to reuse. There's a rhythm, is one of the
• 1:17:10
  battles in Fraggle Rock from the other holiday episode because it
• 1:17:13
  never occurred to me, they might use anything else.
• 1:17:15
  And when I heard Jim dalen, To sing this song.
• 1:17:19
  Instead I started crying. I was like they got me, they got
• 1:17:25
  me. Yeah, not well.
• 1:17:28
  So after after I watched it the first time I did go back and
• 1:17:31
  watch just just this clip from change of address that's when I
• 1:17:36
  got my little cry out because that's such a good that's finale
• 1:17:41
  and that choral arrangement in visual Graphics is oh it's
• 1:17:44
  unbelievable. Yeah yeah I mean both of these
• 1:17:47
  Arrangements are terrifically. The harmonies in this one with,
• 1:17:50
  you know, like Mochi and Gobo and gentlemen, singing, it's
• 1:17:53
  fantastic. But what's interesting to me is
• 1:17:57
  like them choosing a song from the series finale.
• 1:18:00
  Kind of made me think I wonder if they wanted this to work,
• 1:18:04
  just in case it was the series finale.
• 1:18:06
  You know what I mean? That's exactly what I thought
• 1:18:08
  that like, it's a miracle that the show happened at all and
• 1:18:12
  just in case we don't get any more, we want to make sure that
• 1:18:17
  we pay full homage and and go out with not a bang but like
• 1:18:24
  that Perfect magic that the original series did and they
• 1:18:29
  somehow recaptured. Absolutely Wembley asks, do you
• 1:18:36
  think everyone in the universe can see this and we kind of get
• 1:18:39
  a glimpse of everyone else seeing this Aurora, it's we see
• 1:18:43
  the Doozers. They are now officially taking a
• 1:18:46
  break from working, so they could sit and enjoy these
• 1:18:47
  lights, the gorgs, their glow, great lights, and on their
• 1:18:52
  Castle, kind of burnout. But then they look up and see
• 1:18:56
  the light that is a sweet little moment.
• 1:18:58
  With Junior and PAs, gorg kind of bonding which I don't really
• 1:19:01
  see in the series because Papa Gorges such a jerk the whole
• 1:19:05
  time. Yeah.
• 1:19:07
  And it's actually it's a continuation of that
• 1:19:09
  relationship that like that very unhealthy relationship that was
• 1:19:13
  established in the rest of back to the rock that like Pas gorg
• 1:19:18
  is expecting so much out of jr. And then jr.
• 1:19:23
  Fails to meet those expectations and then Posse is this
• 1:19:27
  incredible light display that just happens to be there.
• 1:19:30
  And Triggers like you know what? I'm finding credit with this.
• 1:19:34
  That's okay. Yes, we do you think that the
• 1:19:37
  PHA do the Pug org thinks that Junior created the Aurora
• 1:19:41
  Borealis? Oh yes.
• 1:19:43
  Because he says yeah, that'll do.
• 1:19:45
  Good job, son. Good chance.
• 1:19:47
  We just say good job song. Yeah, it was like that'll do
• 1:19:51
  donkey. That'll do the.
• 1:19:57
  So we also get our first and only glimpse of Kit and Doc in
• 1:20:02
  this episode there on the zoom call together as the Aurora's
• 1:20:07
  going over the workshop. Doc is visiting her dog allergic
• 1:20:12
  grandma and sprockets being Washed by mrs.
• 1:20:15
  Shimmelfinney. The whole thing kind of feels
• 1:20:17
  like a bit of an afterthought, obviously, with Doc coming in on
• 1:20:20
  the screen. I feel like Lily Cooper must
• 1:20:25
  just not have been available, right?
• 1:20:27
  That's the. So, the question is, is that at
• 1:20:29
  what point in production that they realize that they were
• 1:20:31
  going to Doing this bonus episode because they knew from
• 1:20:33
  the get-go, there's no reason they couldn't have had Lily
• 1:20:35
  Cooper, do a very quick seamless problem there.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah. But if they realize part like
• 1:20:39
  partway through, Apple was like, hey, we want to order one more
• 1:20:42
  episode, then it's like well Lily, Cooper filmed, we know
• 1:20:45
  from from the interviews we've done on this.
• 1:20:46
  This podcast really Cooper filmed all of the dock and
• 1:20:49
  sprocket scenes before anything else was the first thing they
• 1:20:53
  did. So it does make more sense to
• 1:20:55
  say like okay we're not going to fly her all the way from New
• 1:20:57
  York to Calgary for literally 30 seconds on.
• 1:21:01
  Murrah. So let's get her on zoom and
• 1:21:03
  will incorporate that in like that and that's fine.
• 1:21:05
  It's not a big deal. It is one scene it's but it is
• 1:21:09
  very sad. Like it's very sad to me the
• 1:21:12
  idea that Dawkins sprocket or not spending the holidays
• 1:21:15
  together. You know, and in universities
• 1:21:18
  very sad in like like, like Doyle list I get it.
• 1:21:23
  Like you say Lil yeah, we're probably just couldn't make it
• 1:21:26
  but like walk sounion, I don't know, man, I don't want to think
• 1:21:29
  about Dawkins frak. It being separated.
• 1:21:31
  At Christmas, Ann's it kind of undercuts the purpose of having
• 1:21:36
  the scene at all, which is they should be enjoying the Aurora
• 1:21:40
  and they're not like I only sprocket even acknowledges it.
• 1:21:44
  So like it's really just kind of attacked on like we're all
• 1:21:46
  spending the holidays together one way or another even if it's
• 1:21:49
  virtual which is also something that will a lot of us have had
• 1:21:51
  to do the last few years. Well, that's true.
• 1:21:54
  Look if each outside and watching it together that could
• 1:21:58
  have been really cool. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah. Like little bit like we're
• 1:22:02
  experiencing it together but separately.
• 1:22:06
  Right right. Well I'm also kind of conflicted
• 1:22:08
  because like you say Joe of it doesn't quite fit the theme, it
• 1:22:14
  feels a little out of the place, like maybe they could have just
• 1:22:16
  not done it, but on the other hand, every other episode of 30
• 1:22:20
  Rock, has darkened Sprocket in it.
• 1:22:21
  So yes, I would be very sad if they didn't show up at all.
• 1:22:27
  I completely agree. I'm and I deferred that they do
• 1:22:29
  it this way than not at all. Not at all.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah, the world's Fraggle and behind him and Ink Spot are
• 1:22:38
  looking up at the lights and they get a little flashback to
• 1:22:41
  the first time, the when he was the world's youngest fraggle,
• 1:22:44
  when he saw the lights and behind him, the Ink Spot has
• 1:22:49
  turned into a saber-tooth things spot for for a moment, which is
• 1:22:52
  adorable. Yeah, I love it.
• 1:22:55
  Uh, God again, what a gift to get those two who give me that,
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  give me that world's youngest fraggle merchandise and that
• 1:23:02
  Inkspot merchandise, Henson company get on it.
• 1:23:06
  It was such a beautiful poignant moment of Wonder to end on and
• 1:23:11
  then instead they end on a joke, the end of the track.
• 1:23:16
  We I do want to say before we get to that joke.
• 1:23:18
  Yeah we one character who we don't see looking up at the
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  lights. Where's Coop?
• 1:23:24
  Just ask him where Cooper's we're looking up at those
• 1:23:27
  lights. No, but you're right.
• 1:23:30
  We do we do get so we get this great shot where we Zoom back
• 1:23:34
  from, where the fraggles are we see where they actually are like
• 1:23:38
  on Earth which is like they're in a forest looking up at the
• 1:23:42
  lights. There in front of a big
• 1:23:43
  mountain, I wonder if they're if this is a real mountain like if
• 1:23:47
  someone could actually figure out like where on Earth this
• 1:23:50
  fraggle whole has led to that might be possible or might be
• 1:23:54
  fake. There must be able to recognize.
• 1:23:56
  Hey I know that mountain. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:24:00
  And then boober says, so is now a good time for Route cake.
• 1:24:03
  And then all that, all that tension is just released.
• 1:24:07
  Yeah, I like that joke, though. I think it's fine.
• 1:24:11
  I think it would've been fun if in unison, after he said that
• 1:24:13
  are all the other fraggles go boober and then you're looking
• 1:24:17
  at wobb, wobb wobb, I think it would have been fun if all the
• 1:24:21
  fraggles said, yes, it's route cake time and then Pee-wee
• 1:24:27
  Herman shows up and he's like, I made a hole.
• 1:24:29
  Wall out of Reggae do hollow the route cake.
• 1:24:32
  Paul Reubens could voice of wrangle.
• 1:24:34
  That would become the amazing. Yeah, no reason not to.
• 1:24:37
  Yeah, so that brings us to the end of this episode do.
• 1:24:41
  Either of you, have any further, thoughts about neither the
• 1:24:45
  lights Just that now that I'm bummed out that I'm going to
• 1:24:49
  have to try and make up a recipe for root cake and I hate beets.
• 1:24:56
  Is there another route that you could use?
• 1:24:58
  Can you carrots or something? Oh, of course.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah maybe I'll make the Beats optional, right?
• 1:25:03
  Turnips and whatnot. Radishes are Roots.
• 1:25:06
  There you go, make a radish cake and then to stick article,
• 1:25:10
  that's ah, that was so good. Thank you important.
• 1:25:17
  Give journalism in my opinion, completely agree.
• 1:25:19
  Yes, I agree. Yes.
• 1:25:22
  Well, everyone go check out, Beth's article about the about
• 1:25:26
  creating doozer sticks to metal. This is something that I've been
• 1:25:31
  thinking about doing for years and now I finally had a platform
• 1:25:36
  on which let's do it. That's one of those things.
• 1:25:38
  Like it was definitely one of those articles that I read and I
• 1:25:40
  was just like, this is why tough pigs exist like, is for stuff
• 1:25:45
  like this, you know? Yeah.
• 1:25:47
  Yeah, so yeah. One thing I did want to say
• 1:25:50
  about this episode is, it's just a reminder, there are so many
• 1:25:54
  moments that just look so gorgeous.
• 1:25:57
  Mmm, and it's such a we talked about how about gift to the show
• 1:26:03
  is, but just like every once in a while I couldn't because I
• 1:26:06
  could take screenshots on the screener, just for my own
• 1:26:09
  purposes. And I just like, kept screenshot
• 1:26:11
  in them because they all look so good.
• 1:26:12
  And I just went under, remember, Yeah, yeah, that's a great
• 1:26:16
  point. And like again, you know, even I
• 1:26:18
  was looking at one of the earlier shots, with the Great
• 1:26:22
  Hall, filled with all the glowing glow glow glow grapes.
• 1:26:26
  And it's like, we know from talking to these folks that they
• 1:26:31
  like, everything is practical. Everything that can be practical
• 1:26:33
  is practical. So, like, they really did
• 1:26:36
  probably like, put these lights all over the rock hanging from
• 1:26:39
  the ceiling and on every prop and every character or whatever,
• 1:26:42
  and like, it looks so good and they didn't have To do that.
• 1:26:45
  They could have done so much of it in camera or in the computer.
• 1:26:48
  And yeah, they made the decision to like make it look good.
• 1:26:54
  First and foremost we're grateful for that.
• 1:26:57
  Yeah, well and that was, and I think it was because of its
• 1:27:01
  Haunted Mansion had Joe stared right before, which has all
• 1:27:04
  digital backgrounds, you know, are almost all digital back.
• 1:27:08
  Sure. Right before the season came out
• 1:27:10
  for back to the Rock and I remember just worrying that like
• 1:27:13
  oh, that cool. That's what it's Gonna look like
• 1:27:15
  it's going to be digital Fraggle.
• 1:27:16
  Rock. Awesome cool.
• 1:27:19
  And then it wasn't it looks amazing.
• 1:27:21
  And I was so happy. Yeah.
• 1:27:24
  Yeah. Well, Bethany Anthony, thank you
• 1:27:26
  both so much for being here for this conversation.
• 1:27:29
  I'm so grateful that we got to spend this wonderful night of
• 1:27:31
  the lights holiday together. Yeah.
• 1:27:36
  Beth, can you, please tell us where people can find you and
• 1:27:39
  your work on the internet? Yeah, I've got some articles up
• 1:27:46
  on tough pigs. I've been on the previous
• 1:27:50
  fraggle, talk episodes and you can find me on social media at
• 1:27:56
  Beth on a cook that's on a, with two ends, like the Disney
• 1:27:59
  Princess Wonderful and Anthony where can people find you?
• 1:28:04
  And your work on the internet? So you can find me on tough,
• 1:28:11
  pigs.com, writing occasionally, I should rather around the time
• 1:28:14
  of subsequent was up. I should have our friend Becca
• 1:28:17
  and I watched three episodes of Brats of the Lost nebula yet.
• 1:28:22
  They'll be coming up soon. Yep, posting it posting an
• 1:28:24
  article about that and it's one that's spoiler that show.
• 1:28:27
  It was bad. It's not No, but I can't wait to
• 1:28:31
  hear you going back and talking about it, but so, you can look
• 1:28:35
  for that. And I also, as Joe mentioned, at
• 1:28:38
  the top co-host, the tough pigs podcast moving right along where
• 1:28:42
  we watch movies 2 minutes at a time.
• 1:28:44
  And the right now, we're doing Muppet Christmas Carol and the
• 1:28:49
  two of you are both coming on the season.
• 1:28:51
  So we haven't recorded video yet.
• 1:28:54
  But listeners can listen out for you there.
• 1:28:57
  Too, as well. Moving right, along.
• 1:28:59
  Whatever you And find podcasts wonderful amended it to a friend
• 1:29:03
  just today, huh? Thank you, that's very nice of
• 1:29:07
  you. Yeah.
• 1:29:08
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• 1:29:11
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