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Know the Enemy: FSU · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  The. And welcome back to the Boundary
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  Corner Podcast. And real quick, before we get
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  anything else said, happy veteran's day out there for
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  I'm Curtis Wilson and along with my partners Brian Siegler, John
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  We are all back together once again.
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  Only took like 3 weeks. Tally Shelton.
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  Welcome back boys. Thank you, Sir.
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  Hello. What's going on fellas?
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  What's going on fellas? Always glad to get the, the, the
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  full boat here in the house, especially with, you know, a, a,
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  a big trip down to Florida State this week and shortly we'll have
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  somebody. On there that can tell some
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  more. About that.
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  Oh yeah, ingestible. We got a little bit all right.
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  We got a new little setup, don't we?
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  New. Setup.
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  We got a new little setup, don't we?
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  It looks different on my screen. The layout.
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  Is the layout different? Oh, do you have the the vertical
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  thing turned on? Yeah, that that's only for the
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  gram. Everything else is going big.
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  Yeah, yeah. Going if it's messing with you
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  like it did me last week, it messed with me hard last week.
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  I was like, Brian, what the you can hide.
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  You hit the little button on the left, it'll hide it from you.
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  But yeah, you are right, Brian, in just a few minutes, we are
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  going to be bringing on Jesse Conger.
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  Hope I pronounced his last name right from Plant to Spear.
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  If I did, Jesse, I'm sorry, It won't be the first.
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  It won't be the last name I've mispronounced.
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  Going to bring him on in just a couple minutes.
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  We're going to tell the truth, not about football, but about
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  basketball. Shelton did a season preview
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  right up for the key play, if you hadn't seen that.
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  He's got thoughts. We've got thoughts on the
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  opening two games because something's brewing down there.
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  Going to give Shelton and Tally a little talk time when it comes
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  to the coaching search since they've been off a couple weeks.
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  Let them get in on that. And then, as always, we'll make
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  our predictions for the game and then some big screeners that I
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  don't really want to talk about because it won't pretty last.
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  Week Curtis did not have a good week last week.
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  Big old doughnut. But yeah, let's tally Shelton.
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  Anything to add before we bring on Jesse here and start talking
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  about this Florida State game Saturday night 7:30?
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  Well, I'm glad that Hokey Hoops is back.
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  I certainly think, you know, weren't with.
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  It feels like another year where football season, you know,
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  didn't really deliver. And so we're kind of just, you
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  know, trying to get through the winter season and unfortunately,
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  basketball has been kind of underperformed in the last two
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  years, but they're back again now.
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  So we can finally have something to look forward to as hockey
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  fans during the winter and and wrestling too.
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  Shout out to wrestling. They got some.
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  They got lots of momentum as well that.
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  Was a good start with them and obviously Neo is is is the
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  truth. He's showing out early, so
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  something to get the hockey fans excited as we head into this
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  uncharted territory with this football program. 100% but let's
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  go into some charted territory now.
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  Again, like I said, Hokies, head down to Florida State.
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  Let's get to know the enemy with Jesse from plant to spirit.
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  Jesse, if I butchered your last name, I'm sorry, man.
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  It happens. It's fine man.
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  I answer to whatever, so it it, it don't matter.
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  I'm used to it by now. Hey idiot, moron, whatever.
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  I'll answer to just about anything.
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  It's all good. Kurt Curtis has such a layup
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  name he he screws up everybody else's.
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  It's most common names in literally the world.
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  What am I supposed to do? It's funny, like at this point I
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  just roll with it. Like if you call, if you say
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  whatever, I'm like, yeah, OK. Yeah.
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  No, you're, you're you're you're close.
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  I'll just go with Jesse from here on out.
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  But that works. Jesse, first of all, before we
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  get deep into it, give us a little background about
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  yourself, you know, how you came to, you know, having Plant the
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  spear and your history of Florida State football.
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  Yeah, man, so actually like I've been a Florida State fan my
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  whole life and I am a firm believer in one team, no second
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  favorites, no, nothing like that.
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  It's all it's all one team. So I believe Garnet and gold.
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  It's been an up and down fandom for sure.
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  Obviously I started, you know, I I do remember the 90s.
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  I'm 37. So I didn't, I did, wasn't
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  really lucky enough to kind of really come up through the
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  Bowden dynasty. I was kind of there late towards
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  the end of it. Of course, I remember the, you
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  know, the 99 championship, sorry to mention that one.
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  But then also 2013, I was able to be in California for that.
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  That was pretty cool. I actually started when I was
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  about 10-12 years old. My brother would go to baseball
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  camp at Florida, Florida State, Mike Martin baseball camp.
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  And I was old enough to go. Yeah.
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  And so like he was there with Mike Martin and I was not old
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  enough. So my dad would take me around,
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  we'd go look at the stadium and things like that.
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  And so I've been hooked ever since I was a kid and then
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  around 2021 kicked around podcasting for years and just
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  never was really brave enough to do it.
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  Never really was brave enough to show my face on YouTube or
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  anything like that. And so in 2021, I just decided
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  like, you know what, we're just going to go for it started in
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  22, had a great time. We jumped on the train at the
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  right time. We jumped straight into A10 win
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  season and then into a 13 win season.
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  So we were having, we were living a great life.
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  And then the frying pan of two and 10 came and smacked us right
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  in the face. And so that was a little bit
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  rough to talk about. And now we're four and five.
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  So we're going through it. But it's been a fun experience,
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  man. I mean, we've got to cover from
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  the highest of highs to the lowest of lows.
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  We've got to cover a once in a lifetime event with the snub in
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  23, which was not exactly a good thing to cover.
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  But it was a very big week for us on the show.
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  It was very popular at the time. We were just raging and everyone
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  raged with us. But yeah, I mean, overall, man,
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  I love it. It's been, it's grown more than
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  I could even imagine. I was talking to Brian on our
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  show earlier about how it still blows my mind that people will
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  like see you at a game and be like, oh, you're the plant and
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  spear guy. And it like, it still blows my
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  mind, man. And then, you know, obviously
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  getting to do things like this with the the college football
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  community is one of my favorite aspects of this whole thing.
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  So man, I really appreciate you having me on.
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  Yeah, Jesse and you know, you talked about us being on the
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  show together. One of the things we talked
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  about was some some favorite moment moments in this rivalry
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  in this in this matchup series, but.
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  About We might have lost Brian Tally, Did you give them the
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  Alabama Internet? Man, I thought it was mine
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  acting crazy. Now his is acting crazy.
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  Yeah. His is acting crazy so well.
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  So I think he was trying to lead into there that, you know,
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  basically starting with 99 and then now moving into the ACC.
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  Brian, you, you lost everything, man.
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  You frozen. Oh, what's up?
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  We lost everything you said. You froze.
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  That's fun. That's fun.
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  So you have to repeat what you just said.
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  Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, I, I was we, we were
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  talking on our on your show, just a just a few moments where
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  we jumped on here. You know, some of the history of
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  this match up, some of the history of, of Florida State,
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  Virginia Tech. Obviously, you already mentioned
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  the 99 national championship game or any moments in this
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  these this series that have kind of stood out to you that you
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  want to talk about a little bit before we get everything else
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  going here? Yeah, man, it's been a, it's
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  been a range of emotions in this one too, right?
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  So I do remember 99, obviously that was a big one for us.
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  That was kind of the first national championship that I
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  remember. I was five years old for the
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  first one. So in 93.
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  So that was the first one that I really remember. 2005 actually
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  the ACC championship game in Jacksonville, FL was my very
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  first FSU game in person. So like I remember, I believe
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  that was Marcus Vick in that one or something like that.
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  And so that was, that was actually my first FSU
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  experience. So I that's, you know, this was
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  the first team I ever saw FSU play against.
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  Then, you know, the not so fun one.
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  I was, I was there looking like an idiot swag surfing in 2018 in
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  the blackout, having a great time.
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  And then like I told Brian, I was like, man, it was one of the
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  funnest environments I had ever been in until we kicked off and
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  then it was all downhill from there.
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  So yeah, a lot of a lot of memories from Florida State,
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  Virginia Tech over the years. I love when these two brands get
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  together and play. I will say that I have yet to
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  beat AI have yet. I've been to Blacksburg.
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  I've actually been outside of Lane Stadium, but I've never
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  been for a game. I was just passing through and I
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  was like, I got to stop and see it.
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  It's one of my bucket list items, right?
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  I really, really, really want to go to a game in Lane Stadium.
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  I'm really disappointed because this game was supposed to be in
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  Blacksburg and then when they expanded and and shuffled the
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  board, it ended up getting moved to Tallahassee.
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  But at the end of the day, man, I think when you talk about
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  these two, these are two of the most I, I think iconic brands in
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  the ACC. When you talk about a, a fan
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  base stadium, the atmosphere and I just don't think they play
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  enough, right? Two times in Blacksburg since
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  like the 90s and, and only four times I think, since you guys
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  joined the ACC is, is criminal, right?
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  These are two brands that should be playing, especially now that
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  we don't have divisions, we should be playing almost every
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  single year. Yeah, and slowly but surely that
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  is going to start happening more and more where you're going to
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  see a team every roughly about every three to four years.
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  The next one is going to be in 2028.
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  Well, hell, if the conference is still together in 2028, in 2028,
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  it's supposed to be in Blacksburg.
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  But I think going through the 9 game schedule, that's going to
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  help it out. And you know, like, like you
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  said, there there is, there is a, there is the, the sense of
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  rivalry there because starting in 99 and then 05805 still
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  pisses me off to this day because we were a fucking better
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  team. And y'all know, everybody knew
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  it on the field. We just played stupid the whole
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  game. I was literally my fraternity
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  had a huge party that night. I didn't show up because we were
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  in the the neighbors behind us. It was like a bunch of us tech
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  fans just packed in watching. So when everything happened,
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  let's just say a lot of bourbon was drank that night.
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  Yeah, yeah, it happened that night.
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  But Monk, that crowd. But let's get into this season
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  and this team and these teams and specifically about Florida
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  State because obviously we got our team.
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  We know our team. Brian's giving you some
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  background on them. But let's just talk, you know,
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  four and five, not the record that you won't.
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  But what is, as I was looking at the data, it doesn't point to
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  four and five South. What's been the one thing for
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  you as a defence? Is it off?
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  Is it Thomas Castellanos? Because Thomas Castellanos never
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  won a game against Virginia Tech?
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  He's trying to break a streak right here on Saturday night
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  because he somehow he's one of the only quarterbacks in the
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  league that hadn't beat us. But what, what, what?
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  What's the frustration on your part thus far?
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  You know, it's it's really kind of shifted as the season
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  progressed, right? I mean, obviously you come out
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  game one and you can't ask for a better game.
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  Like I still, I still wake up at night sometimes and just sit up
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  in my sleep and go how in the heck did we beat Al freaking
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  Bama not. Only beat y'all smoked them.
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  It was not just we beat them by a Oh my God it's a miracle y'all
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  dominated that game. Beginning Italic called that
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  tally. I think you called that right
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  out the gate. Like Forest State's going to
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  beat Alabama. Like he's like.
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  It it was wow, man, I, I never expected that, right?
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  And we were there, we stormed the field and all that And, and
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  you know, like I told Brian, I was like, we're standing down
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  there on the field and we're just like, are we going to the
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  playoffs? And then little do you know,
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  we're now four and five. We just basically lost every
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  game against a powerful opponent since then.
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  But you know, you start off with that and, and I think the, you
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  know, it's almost a curse, right when you beat Alabama like that
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  because you, you change the expectations coming into the
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  season, the answer, the goal was always 7 and 5 to 8 and 4 based
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  on what happened last year, 2 and 10, the disaster that we
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  were. Now I have a little bit
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  different feeling about that type of expectation because I
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  always look back to, well, 2 and 10 should have never happened.
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  So yes, it's an improvement, but it's an improvement that should
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  have never happened because you should have never been 2 and 10
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  at a place like FSU. But that's neither here nor
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  there. So you, you, when you beat
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  Alabama, your expectations change.
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  And I think they should. That's what wins and losses do.
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  And so at that point, I'm thinking we should, if you can
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  beat Alabama like that, I should be able to look at the schedule
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  and find nine wins. And so we should be that type of
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  team. You know, and then you beat a
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  couple of cupcakes and that doesn't really prove anything.
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  And then you go on the road to Virginia.
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  And really early on, it was a defense.
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  The defense was the problem. Like you go up to Virginia, you
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  score 35 I think in regulation and then the end up giving up 46
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  points. So defense was kind of the
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  problem there. Now offense didn't help.
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  Like we've had a really big problem with just shooting
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  ourselves in the foot mistakes this year.
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  Turnovers are crazy. A lot of turnovers, lots of
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  costly penalties, not only just penalties, but penalties at
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  crucial moments that either extend drives or kill drives and
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  just really, really hurt the team.
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  And so the defense was the problem early on.
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  You know, then you have you have the pit game, right?
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  Pitt comes in here with a a freshman quarterback making a
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  second ever start, first ever start on the road and puts up 34
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  points on you in dope. That should never happen.
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  So there's your defense being the problem, right?
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  And then you go past that, the Miami game happens.
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  You know, Miami was like, if you look at the box score, Miami
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  looks a little bit closer than what it actually was being like
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  2822. That game was 28 to 3 late in
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  the third quarter. That was actually the point
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  where I first tweeted like, it's time to fire Mike.
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  I I think this is over and this is done with.
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  And I caught a lot of Flack for that because it was a little bit
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  early. Then Pit happened, then Stanford
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  happened and and then everyone, now everyone's ready to fire
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  him. But you know, the Miami game,
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  you just weren't really competitive in that Pitt was
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  unfortunate, but Pitt turned out to be pretty good, right?
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  And and the Stanford game is the one that you just can't get
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  past, right? That's got to be his second
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  worst loss at Florida State next to Jacksonville State in 2021.
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  So which he's given us a lot of great moments.
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  You know, the first loss to FCS program in school history, the
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  first loss to Duke in program history, 4 losing seasons in
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  five years or at least to be determined or six years.
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  But then you lose that Stanford game and and then it has shifted
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  to the offense, right? The offense only puts up 13
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  points at Stanford. That is just, I don't know how
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  you explain that, right? And so then you come back
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  against Wake Forest, you have if you're coming off a bye week, I
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  don't know what happened. I don't know if they just
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  remembered all of a sudden that they do play, actually do play
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  football. They beat Wake 42 to 7.
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  And I know it's Wake Forest, but that's a pretty OK Wake Forest
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  team this year. And then when you're looking for
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  consistency, you go up to Clemson, a bad Clemson team,
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  three and five at the time, and you get beat 24 to 10.
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  You were never blown out in the game, but once they went up 18
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  to nothing, you would never got back within one score.
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  You actually I think out gained them in that game.
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  But it's just it was another tale of mistakes.
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  It was this was one of the worst games that we saw, right?
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  I mean, you out gained them, but you had costly penalties.
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  Again, you had a lot of overthrows.
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  You had a wide open, like Mike loves to gamble on some 4th
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  downs, like it does not matter where we're at on the field, he
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  will go for it on 4th down. And so you gamble on 1/4 down on
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  your side of the field wide open and the guy just brick hands it.
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  And so it's just been one of those things where like I want
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  to blame Mike for a lot of this stuff and I do.
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  But at the same time, there's a lot of plays that are there to
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  be made and they're just not making them.
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  So Long story short, early part of the season the defense was
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  the problem. Kind of the later part of the
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  season, the offense has been inconsistent, but throughout the
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  whole thing we're just missed. Tackles, penalties, turnovers,
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  little things like that are how you look great on the stat sheet
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  but also lose games. Sheldon, go ahead.
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  Yeah, so Jesse, I kind of want to like bounce some some ideas
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  off you just that was a that was a good, you know, long winded
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  rant about FSU. So we talked about last year,
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  you know, 2 and 10 just completely imploded.
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  They brought in a bunch of new transfers didn't work out
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  obviously. Then this year obviously FSU
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  started out good. But again, they they've lost a
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  couple close games. It seemed like kind of
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  snowballed. My thing is, you know, we've
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  seen as hokey fans, like when you bring in a bunch of new
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  transfers, it seems like often times when you hit, when you hit
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  a wall and you hit some adversity, it's it's not always
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  a guarantee that they respond to well because these are guys that
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  maybe don't know each other well.
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  There's not a lot of chemistry or continuity.
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  And certainly we we experience that as hokey fans.
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  When, you know, Tech lost to Vanderbilt, they just completely
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  quit on the coaching staff and got blown up by ODU and just
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  tumbled into a mess. When I look at FSU as an
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  outsider, I feel like they do not have a really good ability
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  to respond to adversity, particularly this past couple of
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  years under Norvel. Do you think that's a fair
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  criticism of this coaching staff?
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  Yeah, I do. I think in 2023 was when you
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  actually saw them do that well, right.
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  They responded to adversity at certain times, but a lot of that
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  23 team was player LED. That's when you had Jared Verse,
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  you had Jordan Travis, you had, you know, a lot of the guys,
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  Keon Coleman, you had a lot of the guys who were the leaders.
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  And then in 2024, we heard a lot about the coaches had to push
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  the leadership. They had to force guys to become
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  leaders. So the leadership was never
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  there in 24 and now in 25, you've seen guys like Tommy step
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  up and and be a leader early on in the season, but we don't
• 20:00
  really have the same level of leadership that we had in 2023.
• 20:04
  And and actually, it's kind of a funny thing that you bring this
• 20:07
  up because they're, you know, Mike Norvell loves to use the
• 20:09
  word respond like we are so beyond.
• 20:12
  I'm tired of climbing, I'm tired of responding.
• 20:13
  I'm tired of all this stuff. Like he says that after every
• 20:15
  like we're going to respond and it's like.
• 20:17
  Buddy, we've been responding for like 8 weeks now.
• 20:20
  What are we doing? Like we're, we're apparently
• 20:21
  we're not responsive. And so there was actually
• 20:24
  something that was leaked out of the locker room where one of the
• 20:27
  players was joking about him saying respond like this is all
• 20:29
  we say. And so there was a question for
• 20:34
  after the Stanford loss that maybe he had lost the locker
• 20:38
  room and maybe the maybe the players were it was the message
• 20:41
  was falling on deaf ears. But then you see that after
• 20:44
  wake, they come out and a lot of the players, four or five
• 20:46
  players come out and say, like, we've heard everything that
• 20:48
  everybody's saying about Mike Norvell in the locker room.
• 20:50
  And that's not true. We're playing for our coach.
• 20:53
  So I don't think they have quit on this season, but there has
• 20:57
  been a few games where they have been flat it it looks like they
• 21:02
  know there's nothing left to play for, but they're still
• 21:04
  playing somewhat hard. And I say that because in 24 I
• 21:08
  saw quit like I saw straight up loafing on the field guys just
• 21:13
  like coaches, they're getting into it on the sideline.
• 21:16
  You could tell there was they were not bought in at all last
• 21:19
  year. So I think it has gotten better
• 21:21
  this year. But you know, to your point, I
• 21:23
  think with the transfers, one of the problems that we've seen
• 21:26
  here under Mike Norvell when when people talk about the wins
• 21:28
  and losses, yes, that is the glaring issue.
• 21:31
  But there's a lot of other things like recruiting like he
• 21:33
  is not been great at recruiting at a school where it's pretty
• 21:37
  hard to be bad at recruiting right in the state of Florida.
• 21:40
  And he has not landed the top ten class yet.
• 21:43
  Like he and we just lost our recruit last week.
• 21:45
  So he's had a problem with that. So what that leads him to do is
• 21:48
  go dip in the portal every single year.
• 21:50
  And so the problem is it feels like he's putting together
• 21:55
  A-Team every year versus building a program that's going
• 21:59
  to be stable for the long run. Like I understand the portal is
• 22:03
  still part of college football and it is still important.
• 22:06
  But when you look at teams like Alabama, like Georgia, like Ohio
• 22:09
  State, the teams we want to be, they are built primarily through
• 22:13
  high school recruiting consistently year over year and
• 22:15
  developing those recruits. There is a lot of there is a lot
• 22:18
  of mercenary to the portal, right?
• 22:20
  There's a lot of mercenary factor in that.
• 22:22
  And so you have those guys that come in, they get paid and you
• 22:25
  know, that's that's all they really care about.
• 22:27
  They just want the money. And so, yeah, I think the
• 22:29
  portal, the over usage of portal, you know, when you bring
• 22:33
  in, out of 22 starters, you bring in 16 new starters almost
• 22:36
  every single year. It's almost impossible to build
• 22:39
  continuity through that. The only, the only thing I will
• 22:43
  say to, to where we're at right now is a lot of the problems we
• 22:46
  saw in recruiting and development was under the old
• 22:48
  staff. Mike Novell is the one constant
• 22:50
  though. And frankly, if you know, to put
• 22:52
  it like it is, if you're going to have a $10 million CEO head
• 22:54
  coach, the least he should be able to do is recruit.
• 22:57
  And Mike Novell cannot. And so that is why we're so
• 22:59
  frustrated with him. But I do think the the
• 23:01
  leadership, the cohesion and the development that you've seen
• 23:04
  under the new staff with Gus Malzahn and Tony White and those
• 23:07
  guys has been better. Like we are actually seeing
• 23:10
  freshmen hit the field and be impact players now.
• 23:13
  Whereas before, one of our biggest things with Mike Novella
• 23:16
  is why are you bringing talented kids here to sit for three
• 23:19
  years, then bring in a transfer who you don't know if they're
• 23:22
  going to be good or not? Like play the recruits, man.
• 23:24
  You got to play the recruits because that's a culture killer.
• 23:26
  And so, yeah, I, I think the culture is he flipped it after
• 23:31
  last year and it's holding together.
• 23:32
  But you know, the, as the losses pile up, man, it's going to be
• 23:35
  hard to hold. It's going to be hard to keep
• 23:36
  them motivated. But it yeah, I mean, when you
• 23:38
  throw together A-Team every year versus build a sustainable
• 23:40
  program, that's just going to be part of the problem.
• 23:44
  Yeah, novel to me, kind of novel to me kind of mimics a a
• 23:49
  basketball coach maybe like like Calipari when he was at
• 23:53
  Kentucky. You know, you build this great
• 23:55
  team for a tournament run or for a championship, but then they
• 23:59
  all GoPro to next year. That's kind of what it feels
• 24:02
  like Norvell is. And then you go through, you
• 24:06
  know, a bad year and then you maybe have a decent year.
• 24:08
  You just can't do that at A at a program like Florida State, you
• 24:13
  know, with so much prestige and history and culture that they
• 24:17
  have, like you said, like it would be hard to be a bad
• 24:22
  recruiter there, but he's kind of proven that that's what he
• 24:25
  is. So Long story short that that we
• 24:29
  went all around the world for me to just say, y'all are probably
• 24:32
  going to be getting a new coach soon.
• 24:34
  Who do you think that coach is going to be?
• 24:36
  A lot of people have been, if you already see in the chat and,
• 24:39
  and, and on the Internet, a lot of people have been talking
• 24:41
  about James Franklin. Do you think a coach like James
• 24:44
  Franklin comes in and upgrades y'all or is it somebody else
• 24:49
  that you're more looking at? So I think he could.
• 24:52
  Now. I will say what concerns me the
• 24:54
  most over the last week is 1, there is a lot of smoke around
• 24:59
  them. Trying to figure out whether
• 25:00
  Tommy can come back next year. And the situation around that is
• 25:04
  when he was a freshman at UCF, he played in five games.
• 25:07
  One of those games was the AAC championship and the year after
• 25:11
  that, they changed the ruling to where the the championship game
• 25:15
  would not affect your red shirt, right.
• 25:16
  And so they're trying to appeal to basically be like, he only
• 25:19
  played in four games. That counts as red shirt year.
• 25:21
  Well, if you read the tea leaves, if they bring Tommy
• 25:23
  back, that probably means they're bringing Gus back too,
• 25:26
  which probably means they're bringing Mike back.
• 25:27
  So that's the that's the situation.
• 25:29
  We don't want to happen, right. And he also had a press
• 25:31
  conference this week where he talked like a guy who thought he
• 25:34
  was coming back next year. We, we won championships and
• 25:37
  we're going to win, you know, more here and everything.
• 25:39
  And so that does concern me that we might actually bring him back
• 25:43
  for another year. But if we do make the move and
• 25:45
  if we do fire him and I, I think a lot of that does kind of
• 25:48
  depend on the rest of the season, although to me, I don't,
• 25:51
  I think the decision should be made.
• 25:52
  We have enough evidence. James Franklin was actually my
• 25:56
  number one choice at first, right?
• 25:58
  Because I think right now the problem with Mike Norvell has
• 26:01
  always been consistency, right? It's never been like 08 wins,
• 26:05
  then 10, then seven, then 12. It's it's either like we went
• 26:09
  three to five to 10 to 13 to 2 down to now 4, probably 5-6 at
• 26:15
  the at the top right. And so it's never been
• 26:17
  consistent. And so for me, when you fire
• 26:21
  Mike Norvell, you now have to pay basically a head coach's
• 26:24
  salary for the next 5 to 6 years, depending on when you do
• 26:27
  it. And so I don't know that Florida
• 26:30
  State can afford to screw this next higher up because if they
• 26:33
  do, they probably can't afford to fire that guy for five to six
• 26:36
  more years. And so I think you need a guy
• 26:39
  who's almost a can't miss. And really James Franklin feels
• 26:43
  like the guy out there right now who is actually obtainable, who
• 26:47
  is kind of a can't miss guy. And I know there's a lot of the
• 26:50
  thing with, you know, the four and 21 against top ten teams and
• 26:53
  things like that. But you know, when you're
• 26:54
  playing in the ACCI think he can come in to a place like Florida
• 26:58
  State. He's not an elite recruiter, but
• 27:01
  he's really good, right? He's our averages 13 to 15 or
• 27:05
  something like that. But he's also, I think in his
• 27:07
  time at Penn State, he's put 56 kids in the NFL so he can
• 27:10
  develop. He's also shown to to make good
• 27:13
  hires from his support staff. And so I think he could be a guy
• 27:17
  that could stabilize a program like Florida State, right?
• 27:20
  He could get you 10 wins year in and year out and in the ACC that
• 27:24
  means a playoff berth every now and then.
• 27:25
  So I think he would be a great option for Florida State.
• 27:29
  Now with that being said, hold on, let.
• 27:31
  Me ask a quick question. Let me ask a quick.
• 27:33
  Question. Yeah, go.
• 27:34
  Ahead, does it concern you this recruiting footprint?
• 27:37
  It is Mid-Atlantic, it is not, it is not Florida, it is not
• 27:40
  Georgia, it's not Alabama. It's I don't even think it's I
• 27:43
  don't even think he's got to play out of South Carolina.
• 27:46
  Does that concern you? Can you walk from there?
• 27:49
  And OK, go ahead. It does because when you look at
• 27:54
  when we brought in Mike Norvell, the first thing was he didn't
• 27:56
  have ties to the state of Florida.
• 27:58
  And then he also took over the COVID year.
• 28:00
  So he couldn't build those ties in the state of Florida.
• 28:03
  The difference, I think, between him and James Franklin is the
• 28:06
  fact that Franklin's name carries cachet, right?
• 28:09
  And Mike Norvell's at the time really didn't.
• 28:12
  I think people, everybody knows who James Franklin is.
• 28:15
  And if you put, you know, the Florida State logo on his chest
• 28:17
  and you send him into some of the schools in South Florida, I
• 28:19
  think he would be OK. But the recruiting really is
• 28:22
  kind of the one thing that makes me step back on James Franklin
• 28:26
  because right now the biggest problem we have is recruiting.
• 28:29
  Now there's a whole another conversation about that where
• 28:32
  people try and blame NIL, people try and blame talent.
• 28:34
  And I'm like, guys, we spend more and we have more talent
• 28:37
  than Stanford. I mean, we add more to
• 28:39
  Jacksonville State. We add more than Pitt, all these
• 28:41
  other teams that we're losing to, you were right.
• 28:43
  Like you're beating Alabama. It's not NIL and talent, right?
• 28:46
  So there is a disconnect there. But that's why I also look at
• 28:50
  somebody like Brian Hartline at Ohio State.
• 28:54
  Maybe you take a little bit more of a chance on a guy like that.
• 28:57
  Who? Has a recruiting prowess second
• 28:59
  to none. Like he came down and he and he
• 29:01
  pulled Jeremiah Smith out of Florida, right?
• 29:03
  I would have loved to have that guy keep that kid in Florida.
• 29:07
  And so you take a chance on that because he doesn't have any
• 29:10
  coaching experience. Maybe you got Glenn Schumann
• 29:12
  there, ADC at George's, a guy, a name I like, Will Stein, they're
• 29:16
  up at at Oregon, the OC there. And so I think those guys are
• 29:21
  ones you could look at because you know, you look at Kirby
• 29:24
  Smart, you look at Dan Lanning, you look at even Ryan Day.
• 29:27
  These are guys that came straight from the coordinator
• 29:29
  level and they're having a ton of success.
• 29:30
  So I don't know that prior head coach experience is even really
• 29:33
  necessary. But what I think that the
• 29:35
  problem for Florida State is if you fire Mike Norvell, I don't
• 29:38
  know that you can go and outbid a Florida team or whatever for
• 29:42
  like a Lane Kiffin at 13 and a half, $1,000,000 a year or
• 29:45
  whatever that the case is going to be.
• 29:47
  I think you need to find somebody probably somewhere in
• 29:51
  the 8 tops of $10 million range. And who can you get for that?
• 29:56
  You know, there's also the other, the hot button name of
• 29:58
  Jimbo Fisher, right? If you could retread that at
• 30:00
  Florida State. I don't love that idea.
• 30:03
  But he can recruit. That would be a story if y'all
• 30:08
  went back to Jimbo. And The thing is with Jimbo, I
• 30:11
  think the allure is he can recruit right.
• 30:12
  Even in 2022 at Texas A&M, he didn't have time for that class
• 30:16
  to flesh out because he got fired after 23.
• 30:18
  But it was like the number one recruiting class in the history
• 30:21
  of all recruiting classes. Like he could, I think he could
• 30:23
  come into Florida State and he could get enough talent on the
• 30:26
  roster to win in the ACC. And even during his bad years,
• 30:30
  like we were still winning 10 games and making the Orange
• 30:32
  Bowl. So I, I think you want to make a
• 30:35
  splash because you know, when you talk about gaining NIL
• 30:38
  dollars and donations, we're not going to love like an Alex Golis
• 30:42
  from USF, another G5 coach or something like that.
• 30:44
  I mean, he may be good, but it's probably not going to move the
• 30:47
  needle. So I think it's James Franklin
• 30:49
  is like the biggest fish in the pond that our bait can catch
• 30:53
  right now. There's going to be competition
• 30:54
  for that, but we're probably not going to go get a a sitting $10
• 30:59
  million head coach. It's just probably not gonna
• 31:01
  happen. So I think it's James Franklin
• 31:03
  or you take a chance on the coordinator or you look at maybe
• 31:08
  one of the better proven G5 coaches, like the guy from JMU,
• 31:11
  the guy from Tulane or something like that.
• 31:14
  Those guys are probably already spoken for other places.
• 31:16
  But yeah, I think that's probably the route you're going
• 31:18
  to go. Or you hang on to Mike Norvell
• 31:19
  for one more year. We have a tough schedule next
• 31:22
  year. You hope because you don't know,
• 31:24
  right? You don't know what the coaching
• 31:26
  carousel is going to look like. Last year everybody says it's a
• 31:27
  crazy year. This year it might be crazier.
• 31:30
  Next year, we don't know. And so I think maybe you hold on
• 31:33
  to him and you try again in 26 and hope things aren't as crazy
• 31:36
  in the coaching carousel. This year is an alpha, though.
• 31:40
  When I say this is an alpha project, this year is the first
• 31:44
  time NIL has truly been in play when it comes to money.
• 31:48
  Because you've already mentioned to us, Norvell's roughly going
• 31:52
  to be 8 and a half million if you're paying him a new coach
• 31:57
  11, there's $20 million gone right there.
• 32:00
  And you've already said about buying out coaches if you don't
• 32:05
  have the NIL pool, you, you're kind of in that situation where
• 32:09
  it's like Florida outbid us, fuck LSU outbid us, Tennessee
• 32:12
  just outbid us. How are we going to do this?
• 32:15
  But I loved your takes on everything there.
• 32:19
  But I want to hit a couple more pieces about the game before we,
• 32:22
  we we let you go. But thanks for the insight where
• 32:25
  you're coming from as an FSU fan.
• 32:27
  I will, I will. I will say one quick thing to
• 32:29
  that, there is the thought process with some people that
• 32:33
  maybe we just save the money and help Norville get better players
• 32:37
  because we've seen what he did in 23 when he had good players,
• 32:41
  right? Like if you give him a $30
• 32:42
  million nil budget, could he go produce those kind of results
• 32:46
  again? And I certainly think that's in
• 32:48
  the conversation. I think the problem is how do
• 32:51
  you get to that number when a lot of the fan funding is going
• 32:56
  to wane because people are going to be like, I don't trust him to
• 32:58
  give him money to go buy players.
• 32:59
  Because again, like you chose to pay DJ you $900,000.
• 33:04
  You chose to pay Tommy C $800,000.
• 33:07
  You're spending more money than a lot of the teams you're losing
• 33:10
  to. How, how can I justify opening
• 33:13
  up the checkbook for this guy? And so, yeah, you're right.
• 33:16
  I think you could put money into the roster and probably see
• 33:19
  better results. But you should be seeing better
• 33:21
  results based on we have a top 15 NIO budget and we're, you
• 33:25
  know, probably the 60th ranked team in the country.
• 33:28
  Yeah, 4:00 and 5:00 is y'all's current record and and I'm just
• 33:32
  looking here trying to go to Saturday.
• 33:33
  First of all, should the line? Was it 13 1/2 last time I
• 33:37
  checked? 13 1/2, yeah.
• 33:39
  It is still. Absolutely.
• 33:39
  Generous. That is a massive line.
• 33:42
  I think they're looking at the differential in talents there
• 33:46
  and again, a three and six versus A4 and five in at home.
• 33:49
  But as I look it up and down your roster, you guys run the
• 33:52
  little crap out of the ball. Give me some info on Saw Chuck
• 33:57
  and Chroma because it looks like other than Tommy but I know we
• 34:00
  know Tommy scrambles and runs a lot.
• 34:03
  What do they bring to the table? Yeah, so obviously a Gus Mile's
• 34:07
  on offense, the staple is the run game, right?
• 34:09
  We run the ball a lot and you know when you look at this rush
• 34:13
  offense, we're 13th in rush attempts per game.
• 34:16
  We run about 40 * a game. When you talk about the the
• 34:20
  running back stable that we got, Gavin Sawchuk is the guy that
• 34:22
  came in from Oklahoma transfer. He was actually pretty good out
• 34:26
  of Oklahoma. He just never really got a
• 34:29
  chance to be the lead back. He got injured after he got a
• 34:31
  start, got the starter status out there.
• 34:34
  He was pretty good out there. He's not been real great for us.
• 34:37
  The other guy, Chroma, is a freshman man.
• 34:40
  He is going to be special. My biggest concern with him is
• 34:43
  can we keep him on the roster, right?
• 34:45
  We flipped him from Georgia on signing day.
• 34:47
  That was a really, really big get, one of the biggest flips we
• 34:50
  had in the entire class. And I mean, he looks like a
• 34:53
  senior as a freshman now. He's still coming into his own,
• 34:56
  right? He's still got some things he's
• 34:57
  got to get better at. We also did see a name that
• 35:00
  you're probably not going to see on the stat sheet with Sam
• 35:02
  Singleton. He is a guy that played against
• 35:04
  Wake Forest and he I think had 91 yards rushing lead in that
• 35:09
  game. So we have about 5 or 6 backs
• 35:11
  that we will use. But your your top three.
• 35:14
  They're hoping to have Cam Davis back again.
• 35:16
  Former five star running back that's been out with injury.
• 35:18
  He's supposed to be back for this game.
• 35:20
  So you got about four or five guys.
• 35:22
  I wouldn't say that any of them right now are like when when I
• 35:27
  talk about like a Florida State running back, like a Dalvin
• 35:29
  Cook, right? I don't think you have one of
• 35:31
  those on the roster. Chroma could be someday, but you
• 35:34
  have a you don't really have anybody that don't like either
• 35:36
  other than I could, I could really not see Roy Doe Williams
• 35:39
  carry the ball for the rest of the season.
• 35:40
  I'd be OK with that. The Alabama transfer.
• 35:43
  But then Tommy running the ball, man, he's been banged up.
• 35:46
  He has been dealing with an ankle injury since the pit game.
• 35:49
  It was literally the very first play of that game.
• 35:52
  And he's not ran the ball as effectively as we would have
• 35:55
  liked him to, right. He and I'll give it to Tommy.
• 35:58
  He puts his body on the line. Yeah, he got like cartwheeled
• 36:01
  against Stanford. I think he got literally knocked
• 36:04
  out against Stanford on a dirty hit.
• 36:06
  I mean, he's putting himself out there, but the running has not
• 36:09
  been the same as it has been early in the season.
• 36:12
  So that's not great when you're considering that's a lot of what
• 36:15
  makes his game special. But Florida State's going to try
• 36:18
  and run the ball, man. I mean, they they are definitely
• 36:20
  going to try and run the ball 1st.
• 36:22
  And The thing is, when you talk about the like the rush stats, I
• 36:25
  will say with any stat you look at with Florida State, the games
• 36:29
  against Kent State and East Texas A&M do kind of cloud the
• 36:32
  water a little bit, right? They muddy the water a little
• 36:34
  bit because we just ran, I think we put like 4 or 500 yards
• 36:37
  rushing against Kent State or East Texas A&M, whichever one it
• 36:40
  was. So it does skew the stats a
• 36:41
  little bit. Like we ran for over 200 yards
• 36:44
  in the first four games. We have not run for 200 yards
• 36:47
  since in the last four games. So the rush game has slowed down
• 36:50
  a little bit, but it's still effective.
• 36:52
  And it needs to be because if you talk about the pass offense,
• 36:55
  you know, The funny thing is the more Tommy throws the ball, the
• 36:59
  worse we are, which makes little to no sense, right?
• 37:02
  And you know, I was telling Brian earlier on our show when
• 37:04
  you talk about the passing offense, like if you want the
• 37:07
  stat of the game, like this will literally decide the game.
• 37:11
  So in our four wins, we're four and five.
• 37:13
  As everybody knows, in our four wins, Tommy averages 13 1/2
• 37:16
  attempts per game with 0 games over 20 attempts passing
• 37:20
  attempts. In all 5 losses, he's thrown the
• 37:22
  ball more than 20 times and averages 34.2 attempts per game.
• 37:26
  I think we threw it 40 plus times against Clemson.
• 37:28
  So if the run game works enough to allow Tommy to throw the ball
• 37:33
  about 18 times for around 100 and 7080 yards, that's what you
• 37:38
  really want, right? But if he's throwing it 40 times
• 37:41
  for 200 and 52160 yards, chances are we're going to lose.
• 37:46
  Yeah, we we were. Having that conversation.
• 37:48
  Yeah, we were having that conversation and we were both, I
• 37:50
  mean, when you look at Virginia Tech, it's a very similar
• 37:52
  situation. You know when when Jesse asks me
• 37:55
  what's, you know, Virginia Tech can win this game.
• 37:57
  If I said if if we have it, you know, somewhere around 40
• 38:00
  carries, we're at least going to be pretty close to this game.
• 38:06
  Every time we've seen Kyron get above that 25 number in
• 38:10
  attempts, it's the offensive efficiency plummets.
• 38:16
  Yeah, when he's right around that 2022, that means that he's
• 38:22
  been running the ball more. Number one.
• 38:24
  He's been effective with with his hand off.
• 38:26
  So we've been able to get some some yardage on the ground and
• 38:29
  he's been able to be judicious with the attempts.
• 38:35
  And when we do that, we're a whole lot better offense.
• 38:37
  And so I think there's a lot of similarities when you look at
• 38:41
  some of the struggles that Florida State has had and some
• 38:44
  of the struggles Virginia Tech has had, especially on the
• 38:46
  offensive side where we haven't seen quite as much attrition due
• 38:50
  to a mid season firing like we have on the defensive side.
• 38:54
  Yeah, and I will say for our offense, the offensive line is
• 38:57
  experienced. They're all red shirt seniors,
• 38:59
  they're all big. They're not great, but they're
• 39:02
  pretty darn effective. And then in our pass game, like
• 39:06
  just get ready for a deep shot to deuce Robinson and and
• 39:09
  probably Makai Danzy because that seems like about all we do.
• 39:12
  I don't I honestly don't know that we have a mid level pass
• 39:16
  game. I haven't really seen it very
• 39:17
  much and usually when we do, we drop it anyway.
• 39:20
  But man, I mean because like when you look at our offense,
• 39:22
  we're 6IN yards per attempt and we're 97th in attempts per game.
• 39:27
  So that pretty much kind of tells you where we're at.
• 39:28
  Like we like to throw the ball deep and it's going to be Deuce
• 39:31
  Robinson more often than not. The guy is 6 foot six.
• 39:34
  He can run, he can catch, he's got great body control.
• 39:37
  He's probably played himself into I think a first, first or
• 39:40
  second round draft pick. So unfortunately we probably
• 39:42
  won't have him after this year. He's had 400 yard games this
• 39:46
  season. He's I think over 800 so far on
• 39:49
  the year. So man, I mean, he's a really
• 39:50
  talented receiver. McKay Danzy's a young guy, a
• 39:53
  freshman, a track guy who's got insane speed.
• 39:56
  You're probably going to see a reverse to him.
• 39:58
  We ran it and I think the first six games before Gus finally
• 40:01
  figured out that everybody else knew we were going to run it
• 40:03
  too. And then of course, you have
• 40:05
  Squirrel White, who has been in absolute bust so far this
• 40:07
  season. Part of that's on the
• 40:09
  quarterback, part of that's on him.
• 40:10
  I had a lot of high hopes for that guy.
• 40:13
  I think he has like 5 catches for 50 something yards and one
• 40:15
  was a 40 yard catch against Bama.
• 40:16
  So Douche Robinson is the one that you really need to know
• 40:19
  about in the past game. But you know man, we got some
• 40:21
  weapons. It's just last game was
• 40:24
  overthrow here, drop past there. And so it's a lot of things of
• 40:27
  you have potential, but can you not shoot yourself in the foot?
• 40:31
  Tally, We got another six, six, 220 LB wide receiver to deal
• 40:36
  with. Thank the Lord, right?
• 40:41
  Yes, yes, that's what we want to, that's what we want to play
• 40:47
  this. Is like the, I think the third
• 40:49
  or fourth wide receiver that somewhere north of 6/5 and and
• 40:53
  at least 215. That's tough, man.
• 40:56
  That's tough. I mean, we had for a.
• 40:57
  Quarterback room that has been decimated by a combination of
• 41:01
  injuries and opt outs. It has not been pretty and we
• 41:06
  and we've been struggling. Yeah, I told you when we talked,
• 41:08
  man, like we've been struggling giving up big plays in the
• 41:11
  running game, but we've been struggling getting off the field
• 41:14
  when they're throwing the football and particularly in the
• 41:16
  red zone. When they throw the football in
• 41:18
  the red zone, it's going to be a touchdown almost every damn
• 41:20
  time. It's it's one of those things
• 41:22
  where we just, we do not match up well and we do not match up
• 41:25
  well against guys like this that are kind of those red zone
• 41:28
  nightmares, those stick movers, those guys that can really kind
• 41:30
  of do a little bit of everything.
• 41:34
  Yeah, I mean, he's he, he's definitely, he's our our biggest
• 41:38
  weapon right now. I think when you get compressed
• 41:41
  into the red zone, sometimes I do worry because the problem
• 41:44
  there is like, you know, Tommy does have that limitation.
• 41:47
  He is 5 foot 9, right? And so we've seen a couple times
• 41:49
  where they try and get the ball vertically, you know, more than
• 41:52
  horizontally in that compressed field and it's turn into
• 41:54
  turnovers that killed US against Virginia bat of balls or
• 41:56
  something that that, you know, if you can't get him outside of
• 41:59
  the pocket, that that can be an issue too.
• 42:01
  But I mean, if it wasn't for Deuce, our offense would be in
• 42:04
  pretty big trouble, right? And he got hurt.
• 42:06
  We didn't have in the second-half of the pit game.
• 42:07
  If we if you if we did, I think maybe we do win that game.
• 42:11
  But man, I mean, right now he's been one of those guys that
• 42:13
  like, you got to have him on the field because he is the best
• 42:16
  player on our offense. Let's go to the defensive side
• 42:20
  of the ball real quick and a name that kind of sticks out and
• 42:23
  might even stick out the tally some is oh shit I had it right
• 42:28
  here. Earl little transfer from
• 42:31
  Alabama was a huge recruit for them back in the day and it
• 42:35
  looks like he is tearing it up this year.
• 42:37
  He's got 4 picks lead the team in tackles.
• 42:42
  First of all where is he playing?
• 42:43
  Anytime I see 57 tackles on ADB it meets me think is he playing
• 42:48
  nickel or is he playing safety? But where is he lining up
• 42:51
  because it seems like he is a bit of a one man wrecking crew
• 42:54
  on that side of the ball. Yeah.
• 42:56
  So he lines up at Rover safety. So Tony White runs A335 defense
• 43:01
  is what he likes to run. Now we've had to switch a lot of
• 43:03
  that and go to multiple and and run a four man front.
• 43:06
  We've had to do that a lot. But in the in the base defense,
• 43:10
  he runs the Rover safety and as you know, that's the middle of
• 43:12
  three safeties. So he's basically allowed to
• 43:14
  just kind of be like a little bit of a linebacker, a little
• 43:18
  bit of a safety hybrid. Actually, the way the defense
• 43:21
  was founded way back in the day at New Mexico State, I think
• 43:24
  that position was Brian Urlacher.
• 43:25
  So it kind of gives you an idea kind of of how that guy is.
• 43:28
  He's he's a guy who's maybe not quite a great DB, but not, you
• 43:33
  know, he's a little too undersized to be linebacker.
• 43:35
  So he kind of has freedom to roam the field.
• 43:37
  And then I mean, he came out on fire against Alabama, had an
• 43:41
  amazing game against them. Then he really struggled against
• 43:45
  Virginia. He had a couple of missed
• 43:47
  tackles that really one of them, I can't say it cost the game
• 43:50
  because you can't really put on anyone play, but he did have one
• 43:53
  that he just tried to shoulder tackle.
• 43:55
  The guy bounced right off of him and went in for a touchdown and
• 43:58
  we ended up losing the game. He had another bad tackling
• 44:01
  effort against Pitt. So like he's a really good
• 44:04
  player. I mean, he is a really good guy.
• 44:07
  The problem is, man, it's like he forgets he has arms when he
• 44:09
  tackles, right. He is a big shoulder tackling
• 44:12
  guy. And so really missed tackles is
• 44:14
  the one thing that kind of hurts him more than anything.
• 44:17
  But I mean, he is one of the leaders of the defense.
• 44:20
  He is one of the best players on the defense.
• 44:21
  He's an obviously a great athlete, A rangy guy coming from
• 44:24
  Alabama, and since they moved him back to safety, he's done a
• 44:27
  lot better. So as long as he doesn't miss a
• 44:29
  tackle, he's usually in a good position to be on top of them
• 44:32
  for one. So he's a really good one.
• 44:34
  Our best cover corner is probably Jabril rawls #11 and
• 44:38
  he's got an NFL future. He's a really good corner for
• 44:41
  us. Other than that, we, you know,
• 44:43
  we don't really have a ton of of, you know, really big names
• 44:47
  there like we had in the past. Edwin Joseph is another guy that
• 44:50
  kind of plays that nickel spot. He's been pretty good too.
• 44:53
  You know, they all kind of have made some mistakes.
• 44:55
  Safety is not the really strong point for us outside of a
• 45:00
  little. I mean, you have some other guys
• 45:02
  who, one was a veteran that got pushed down the depth chart and
• 45:04
  kind of came back up. Another was a JUCO guy transfer.
• 45:07
  So they're pretty good. But man, our secondary for a
• 45:11
  little part of the season, especially against Pitt, was
• 45:13
  just an unmitigated disaster in coverage.
• 45:16
  So the fact that Earl Little can kind of come up and play the run
• 45:19
  helps his numbers out a lot. But in the past game and it's
• 45:22
  been our secondary has been pretty sketchy, which has been
• 45:25
  pretty painful to watch. Like sometimes they just look
• 45:27
  like they just don't know what they're doing back there.
• 45:30
  Yeah. And I mean, we don't have we
• 45:31
  don't really do a whole lot of we haven't stretched the field
• 45:35
  very well in the past again this this season, to to say the
• 45:39
  least. Most of that has been kind of
• 45:41
  schemed off of, you know, our success in the running game and
• 45:44
  things like that. I did like you tying the the
• 45:47
  three three stack Rover to the Tampa 2 middle linebacker
• 45:52
  connection there. They're basically the same
• 45:54
  position. Yeah, but.
• 45:57
  Yeah, it's, it's, it's interesting to see like, like I
• 46:00
  said, I think there's a lot of, you know, there, there's some
• 46:05
  corresponding elements to some of the struggles we have.
• 46:07
  I think ours has just been exasperated even even worse by
• 46:12
  the utter lack of. Pass.
• 46:16
  Pass rush because of some of the opt outs.
• 46:19
  Pass rush in general. Passing game in general.
• 46:22
  Well, passing game in general because our pass rush has
• 46:25
  struggled as. Well, oh, it's struggled as
• 46:26
  well. If we had a couple of year guys,
• 46:29
  we might be sitting six and three right now, but it's been
• 46:33
  wide receiver wise that that's what the struggle been.
• 46:37
  Tally anything else before we get ready to close this out with
• 46:40
  Jesse here tonight. Tally I think froze on the I
• 46:46
  dagged on Alabama Internet. I swear to God every time.
• 46:50
  Froze. I'm sorry, I was froze man.
• 46:53
  What was the question? Anything else for Jesse before
• 46:56
  we get this thing ready to wrap up?
• 47:00
  No, just tell him to go talk to Jesse.
• 47:03
  Go talk to Tommy C and tell him that we don't want the Alabama
• 47:07
  tummy see. We want the eight other game
• 47:10
  Tummy See. So do I, I haven't.
• 47:13
  Seen that in a while. Brian, go ahead, Jesse.
• 47:19
  I was going to say I, I really think like the hardest part for
• 47:22
  me when you look at this game and, and picking and things like
• 47:25
  that is I just don't know who's going to show up, right?
• 47:27
  We've seen Florida State play good at home.
• 47:29
  They're four and two at home. They beat Alabama, they beat
• 47:32
  Wake Forest 42 to 7. You know, they lost to a
• 47:34
  talented Miami team at home. They lost to a good pit team at
• 47:38
  home. So who's going to show up for
• 47:39
  me, that's the thing. And and I like, I actually like
• 47:41
  the matchups in this game for Florida State, right?
• 47:44
  When you talk about what, when you say the past game is the
• 47:47
  kind of the weakness, that makes me feel a lot better because our
• 47:49
  secondary, our past defense is our weakness.
• 47:51
  Our linebackers can't cover in space to save their life.
• 47:55
  Our defensive line is pretty just okay.
• 47:57
  I wouldn't say it's really special the names to know.
• 48:00
  Darrell Jackson is the nose tackle there.
• 48:01
  He's pretty good. The twins, the Desir brothers
• 48:03
  are two freshmen. They are outstanding.
• 48:06
  I hope those are two that we don't lose in a transition.
• 48:09
  So I just don't know who's going to show up.
• 48:10
  But I like the way it matches up in this one.
• 48:13
  Man, I'm excited to watch it play out.
• 48:15
  If we were not at home, I would probably prick Virginia Tech in
• 48:18
  this one, right? I mean, we haven't won a road
• 48:20
  game since 2023. We've lost nine straight.
• 48:22
  So I would definitely pick you guys if we were in Blacksburg.
• 48:25
  And I do think that spread is a little generous, right?
• 48:27
  I don't think Vegas knows what to think about us right now.
• 48:31
  I think they're a little confused.
• 48:32
  Maybe Mike Novell's betting the spread or something like that.
• 48:36
  Hopefully our athletic department is so they can, you
• 48:38
  know, boost up the money for the buyout, put the put the booster
• 48:40
  donations on the spread. But yeah, I mean, I, I, I think
• 48:44
  that's a little generous. 13 1/2 is a little much.
• 48:46
  I think it's going to be a good game.
• 48:50
  Yeah, I think it's going to be a good game.
• 48:51
  I think the question is going to be, can we do enough
• 48:55
  offensively? Because I think you guys are
• 48:58
  going to get a lot of opportunities on offense.
• 49:00
  Whether or not you capitalize or not that's that remains to be
• 49:02
  seen. Curtis, you talked about at the
• 49:05
  open show, I was like, you know, things might go well if we can
• 49:07
  run the football and if the history with Tommy Castellanos
• 49:12
  and Virginia Tech is something that carries forward.
• 49:16
  I think we picked him off five times in those matchups,
• 49:19
  something like that. So it's, you know, it's a pretty
• 49:23
  good history for us on that front.
• 49:24
  But again, you know, it's a different team.
• 49:27
  It's at Doke, you know, I thought y'all, y'all have a
• 49:31
  little bit more to play for than we do at this point.
• 49:32
  So it's going to be interesting to see how that kind of shakes
• 49:35
  up. But before we wrap up, Jesse, we
• 49:38
  really appreciate you jumping on with us tonight.
• 49:40
  Tell all the folks out there where they can find you and
• 49:44
  where they can listen to more. Plant the spear.
• 49:47
  Yeah, man, I appreciate that. So you can find everything that
• 49:50
  we do on our website at plant thespear.com.
• 49:52
  We have links to our social media, We have links to YouTube.
• 49:56
  All of you can watch all our episodes or listen to all our
• 49:58
  episodes right there on the website.
• 50:00
  So it's nice and easy. You can of course, always check
• 50:02
  us out on YouTube, on social media, Facebook, Instagram and
• 50:06
  Twitter. Twitter's where I'm most active.
• 50:07
  I still call it Twitter where I'm most active at.
• 50:10
  And then yeah, man, we have podcast only version and and you
• 50:13
  know, we're we're the fans, right?
• 50:15
  So we try to be the fans voice. So if you're a fan, if you're
• 50:17
  Florida State fan, come hang out with us.
• 50:18
  We go to the games, we do all that stuff.
• 50:20
  We don't sit in a press box. We get a little crazy and stuff
• 50:23
  like that. When we get the opportunity, I'm
• 50:24
  going to be down there on Saturday, you know, at at this
• 50:27
  game and I can't wait for it. I'm excited, like I said, every
• 50:29
  time these two brands get together, I, I just get excited
• 50:32
  about it, right? It's a, it's a fun game.
• 50:34
  And like I was telling Brian I was joking earlier, at least
• 50:35
  it's not like 1 is up and one is down.
• 50:37
  Like maybe because we're both equally bad, it'll just be a
• 50:40
  good game. And in a vacuum, we won't even
• 50:42
  notice that we're bad, right? We'll just think it's too, We'll
• 50:43
  just pretend it's two good teams and we'll just go with it, man.
• 50:46
  But I appreciate y'all having me on and I'm looking forward to
• 50:49
  Saturday. Appreciate it, Jesse.
• 50:53
  Take care of yourself man. Have a good one.
• 50:54
  Now have a good one. All right, so I don't want to
• 51:00
  jump to basketball quite yet because obviously we did some
• 51:04
  coach talk there. Me and Brian have been.
• 51:07
  We've laid out where we feel right now.
• 51:09
  So Sheldon Talley, I just want to get tally.
• 51:19
  James Franklin's bad for you, hey?
• 51:23
  Where are y'all at right now? I mean, we are.
• 51:25
  It's been forever where you're probably, I'm going to say we
• 51:32
  all think 17 days from actually knowing who the next coach is.
• 51:37
  If not sooner. If not sooner, sooner would be
• 51:40
  better. Sooner would be better.
• 51:43
  Where are y'all feeling just I mean who do you, I mean you
• 51:46
  know, there's all sorts of board reports and all this crap going
• 51:49
  around where where are, where's y'all set space at?
• 51:52
  I don't care who goes first y'all just start talking.
• 51:58
  You got anything? Yeah, I mean, I've actually kind
• 52:02
  of zoned out a little bit in the coaching search.
• 52:04
  I'm not not plugged into the message board as much as because
• 52:06
  I kind of I kind of got burned out from it.
• 52:08
  But I mean, it sounds like, you know, obviously James Franklin
• 52:12
  is, you know, in the lead so far.
• 52:13
  And I was thinking about this earlier today.
• 52:16
  I think not only does it make sense from our perspective,
• 52:19
  obviously hiring a guy like that, but I also feel like from
• 52:21
  Franklin's perspective, Vt makes the most sense for him.
• 52:25
  Because if you think about it, I mean, you know, there's going to
• 52:27
  be a handful of SEC schools that open up for sure.
• 52:30
  But one, he doesn't fit that recruiting footprint exactly as
• 52:35
  well as much as as well as he fits us.
• 52:37
  And two, I generally speaking, SEC teams do not hire fired
• 52:45
  former powerful coaches. I mean, there been a couple
• 52:48
  exceptions, obviously, with, you know, Steve Sarkeesian and Lane
• 52:50
  Kiffin, but that was kind of a unusual situation where they had
• 52:53
  some personal issues beforehand and then kind of went through
• 52:56
  like a, you know, a reclamation project after that.
• 52:59
  It just, it just doesn't happen very often.
• 53:01
  So I know it's kind of it's different because obviously
• 53:03
  Franklin's, you know, had such a good track record and like teams
• 53:05
  are going to come after him. But you go through it like
• 53:08
  Auburn, it seems like they want some role or you know, maybe
• 53:12
  someone's going to make a play for Kiffin.
• 53:15
  You know, Florida, same thing. Florida State, again, we don't
• 53:19
  know what their financial situation is, so we don't open
• 53:21
  up. So I think, I think on the
• 53:22
  whole, like I just think Franklin makes the most sense
• 53:25
  for Vt from both sides. So he's obviously my number one.
• 53:30
  You guys know, I'm a big Bob Chesney fan.
• 53:32
  I think he would be, he'd be the easy #2 we can, you know, split
• 53:36
  errors on that. But for the most part, I feel I
• 53:38
  feel pretty good. Like I, I think that's a pretty
• 53:40
  good 1-2 punch right there. If you if you miss on Franklin,
• 53:42
  you could settle for a for a really good hiring Chesney.
• 53:46
  Yeah, that's just I agree, uncle.
• 53:49
  What about what kind of games? Yeah.
• 53:54
  So, no, I, I mean, I agree with what Shelton is saying for the
• 53:58
  most part, which I said it as soon as he was fired, you know,
• 54:03
  that I thought James Franklin was a good fit for Virginia
• 54:05
  Tech. Just from what we need
• 54:09
  standpoint. You get so many people, we've
• 54:11
  been through this like 10 million times.
• 54:13
  But from what we need, we need to get to the next step, the
• 54:17
  next game, not the big game. We got to get to the next game
• 54:22
  before we get to the big game. And I think somebody like James
• 54:24
  Franklin would come in and be, you know, have US playing
• 54:28
  serious football off the field and then on the field, as in
• 54:33
  money, recruiting, things like that, which in a sense gets you
• 54:38
  to play a real, you know, serious football on the field.
• 54:42
  I think he can do that really quickly.
• 54:44
  You know, I haven't really paid attention to Chesney much.
• 54:46
  I know that he's done a a good job at the stops he's been at.
• 54:51
  I just think it would for him, he would have to build a little
• 54:55
  bit more. And I don't know how much time
• 54:57
  we have to build. I think chess needs a good
• 54:59
  coach, but I'm just nervous about going after a coach that
• 55:03
  would need, oh, like, we get pride.
• 55:05
  Oh, we going to give him three years.
• 55:07
  Like if Virginia Tech is sorry for three years, what's going to
• 55:13
  be left? You know what I'm saying, like
• 55:16
  we get left out of everything you need to build right now.
• 55:19
  I think that's kind of the mindset that we're in one year.
• 55:23
  I mean, you can do it in a year. Somebody like James Franklin
• 55:26
  come in, bring in recruits, bring in, you know, transfer
• 55:29
  portal kids to be competitive next year.
• 55:34
  So in my mindset, that's of course what I think and what I
• 55:39
  want. But I also think that there's
• 55:43
  things that are already happening.
• 55:45
  You know, there's all this stuff going on on the boards.
• 55:48
  Everybody's seen it and heard it.
• 55:49
  And now you got Arkansas saying that they got Franklin and you
• 55:54
  know, you got people at Florida State.
• 55:55
  Don't nobody fucking know, man, for real.
• 55:57
  You know what I'm saying? Nobody really knows.
• 55:59
  I ain't going to say nobody knows.
• 56:01
  Somebody may know. I don't know.
• 56:03
  I know what I want to happen, but I know that there's a lot of
• 56:06
  smoke and mirrors out there because even somebody that I,
• 56:10
  you know, really trust about football in general and, you
• 56:14
  know, he's a coach in football and he talks to a lot of college
• 56:17
  footballs. He says he don't know, you know,
• 56:20
  he he said, hey, man, I thought this was happening and then this
• 56:23
  didn't happen. And then we had to go back and
• 56:25
  talk to the person about this. So things change a lot.
• 56:28
  And then there's a lot of legality that goes on in these
• 56:33
  in these contracts. Just like when you look at LSU
• 56:36
  with Brian Kelly, you know all he's fired.
• 56:38
  Then we got to go back and we got to because it's a lot of
• 56:40
  money that's tied to these contracts.
• 56:42
  So that's why it takes so long for these people to get things
• 56:47
  done. But I said all that to say Uncle
• 56:52
  James is coming home to Blacksburg.
• 56:56
  All right, Tally, put the stamp on it.
• 56:58
  The the I'm going to go to the Brian Kelly thing.
• 57:00
  Thank you all both for giving you all his opinion.
• 57:02
  Jumping out a couple weeks on it.
• 57:04
  The Brian Kelly thing is showing the biggest issue within college
• 57:07
  football. They fired him.
• 57:09
  They agreed to pay 54,000,000. Almost everybody can say, oh,
• 57:12
  this is what happened. They went and looked at the
• 57:14
  books y'all and they realized, wait a second, it's 54,000,000.
• 57:21
  We got to give to him and hit it and, and now Jesse said
• 57:24
  Norvell's isn't that Norvell's is a longer term play out.
• 57:28
  It could be. Spread out over I think 3 or 4
• 57:30
  years, something like. That all set language included,
• 57:33
  Yeah, but it's Kelly's is 54,000,000.
• 57:36
  His staff is probably 12 or 13 million, right?
• 57:39
  Somewhere in there. Then you got to pay the new
• 57:42
  coach and the new staff in and out.
• 57:44
  LSU have looked at their books. They ain't got the money.
• 57:49
  You know, and then this is another thing, yeah, this is
• 57:52
  another thing too, car. This is what you got to think
• 57:54
  about. All of the coaches salaries have
• 57:57
  been reset this year. You got, you know, you got Rhett
• 58:01
  Lashley that was down at SMU making 3,000,000, two and a half
• 58:06
  million something last year and he just gets a new deal where
• 58:10
  he's making 8 or 9. 8 or 9,000,000, yeah.
• 58:14
  You know, I'm not saying he's got a good coach.
• 58:16
  I think he's been good for that program.
• 58:19
  But guess what? The next coach is going to look
• 58:21
  at that and say it's just like any other sport.
• 58:23
  It's going to say, well, I've been to the playoffs and he's
• 58:26
  making 8 million. I deserve to get 9.
• 58:30
  I deserve to get 10. You know what I'm saying?
• 58:33
  So now if LSU wants to be a playoff team like some of these
• 58:39
  other teams around them, how much are they going to have to
• 58:40
  spend on the next coach? So like you say it, you're
• 58:43
  right, Curtis. They went and looked at the
• 58:45
  numbers and say it, oh shit, will you will you take less?
• 58:49
  Will you take less? And he's like, no, I ain't
• 58:51
  taking less. And they're like, we didn't got
• 58:53
  the money. What are we going to do?
• 58:55
  Because we need to pay him 54,000,000 and then we're going
• 58:58
  to have to get the next coach what, 10?
• 59:01
  It's a rough game out here, man. At least, Yeah, at least it's a
• 59:04
  rough game. Out here and, and, and we are
• 59:06
  now in the day and age, NIO is king because if you don't have
• 59:11
  your NIO situated and funded, the coach don't matter.
• 59:16
  Everybody says the coach matters.
• 59:18
  Coaching matters depending on your talent level.
• 59:21
  Because there ain't no way Brian, no disrespect to him, to
• 59:25
  Sydney, Nick Saban couldn't go take him to Sydney's roster and
• 59:28
  compete at the Division One level.
• 59:31
  He's the greatest coach of all time though, right?
• 59:34
  Why can't he? Talent matters.
• 59:37
  It's always mattered. And if you ain't got the money
• 59:40
  to pay your talent and you get your house in order on that end,
• 59:44
  coaching only marginally matters.
• 59:47
  Curtis, you don't think he could turn me into a Remington winner?
• 59:51
  I'm not saying that he going, he'll get you some arm
• 59:55
  extensions. Maybe.
• 59:58
  All right. So.
• 59:59
  That's kind of where the coaching is and and it's kind of
• 1:00:02
  to be honest, it's it's now sitting wait, it is what it is.
• 1:00:07
  Some of y'all going to be happy, whoever it is, some of y'all
• 1:00:10
  going to be pissed. It's gonna be fun to talk about
• 1:00:13
  who the coordinator hires is in the next month or two as we see
• 1:00:17
  that come down. It's gonna be fun how the portal
• 1:00:18
  works, who stays, who goes. So just let's just sit back
• 1:00:23
  because now I'm like Sheldon, I'm, I'm almost burned.
• 1:00:27
  I'm like Sheldon Sheldon's burned out.
• 1:00:29
  I'm like this close to getting burned out.
• 1:00:31
  So luckily. Actual news.
• 1:00:34
  Give me some actual news. Something to chew on.
• 1:00:36
  I don't want to. I don't.
• 1:00:37
  Want to have to scrounge through the the board like Reed T
• 1:00:42
  leaves. I'm done with that.
• 1:00:44
  All right, here we go. Here's the news.
• 1:00:47
  The Virginia Tech Hokie basketball team is, too.
• 1:00:51
  That's the news. Two and oh.
• 1:00:54
  And not even that though, because that happens.
• 1:00:57
  I ain't going to say that happens all the time, but that's
• 1:00:59
  just, you know, basketball. It don't matter till you get to
• 1:01:02
  ACC play. But the real but they.
• 1:01:03
  Beat A-Team but hold on. Hold on.
• 1:01:05
  But they beat A-Team. That's projected to go to the
• 1:01:07
  tournament. Finish third in the Big East.
• 1:01:09
  Still don't matter, still don't matter to me because I feel like
• 1:01:12
  when you go, when you get into ACC play night in and night out,
• 1:01:17
  you start to see who your team really is.
• 1:01:19
  Now, I'm saying that to say the real news is Virginia Tech has a
• 1:01:25
  legit basketball player on that team that will carry them
• 1:01:29
  through that ACC slate. Because my knock on, I don't
• 1:01:34
  want to say knock, but what I always said like about Mike
• 1:01:37
  Young's roster was, man, we got to get some bigger guards.
• 1:01:41
  Because when you start playing, you know, Duke and you start
• 1:01:44
  playing North Carolina and Virginia, the man, they got big
• 1:01:49
  guards for the most part, you know, 6465 guards, long arms to
• 1:01:53
  jump. And then we will be rolling out
• 1:01:55
  with Storm Murphy. No disrespect trying to play
• 1:01:59
  against these guards night in the night out of this heart now
• 1:02:01
  * Murphy did a great job. Like I said, no disrespect to
• 1:02:04
  that kid. But if you want to win, you got
• 1:02:09
  to you need to be bigger, you know, at that guard position in
• 1:02:13
  the ACC. Well, Neo is bigger.
• 1:02:16
  You know, I got to give the kid his props.
• 1:02:18
  I try not to be on the hike train all offseason because I
• 1:02:22
  was just like, yeah, I want to see him play.
• 1:02:23
  I've seen some of the stuff he was doing.
• 1:02:27
  But when you watch him on the floor, he moves like Luca, man,
• 1:02:29
  I hate to say that because I'm a Laker fan, but people were
• 1:02:34
  saying that he really does like 6-9 two 15220 and just he he
• 1:02:41
  doesn't look like he's moving fast, but he gets to a spot and
• 1:02:45
  he makes his shots and, and you can't, you can't stay in front
• 1:02:48
  of him. It's like there is no defense
• 1:02:51
  for a great offense. That's that's just real.
• 1:02:54
  In fact, that you can be the greatest defender ever, but you
• 1:02:57
  cannot really, really stop a great offensive player.
• 1:03:02
  Neo seems like a great offensive player.
• 1:03:04
  When the game gets tough, you can give him the ball and get
• 1:03:07
  out of his way. That has always been my knock on
• 1:03:10
  what Mike Young has had. I'm like, man, he can't get
• 1:03:12
  those type of players. I don't know what they paid him
• 1:03:15
  and I don't know how he did it, but he got 1.
• 1:03:18
  So shout out to Mike Young and his staff for bringing Neo to
• 1:03:22
  Blacksburg and let them do his thing.
• 1:03:25
  Sheldon, I know you got some information on that, right?
• 1:03:27
  And you paid attention to Neo, right?
• 1:03:30
  Yeah, I've been been following the interrupts.
• 1:03:33
  It's pretty crazy. I feel like we sort of have an
• 1:03:35
  Internet sensation on our hands with all the the buzz that
• 1:03:38
  Nico's been getting, like lots of popular college basketball
• 1:03:41
  accounts tweeting about him, you know, doing deep dives and all
• 1:03:43
  that stuff. The memes with Luca have been
• 1:03:46
  pretty good too. So it's it's kind of fun.
• 1:03:48
  Not only is Tech good, but they're also kind of nationally
• 1:03:50
  relevant, at least so far. But I I'm really happy with how
• 1:03:54
  things have gone so far. I mean, I try not to overreact
• 1:03:57
  to, you know, college basketball too early, especially from like
• 1:04:00
  a, you know, stats perspective because we're still kind of
• 1:04:03
  figuring things out and seeing, you know, how the team performs
• 1:04:06
  early on. But I mean, so far it's been
• 1:04:08
  pretty good. The one thing I like, you know,
• 1:04:09
  Tech has been significantly improved in terms of their
• 1:04:12
  turnover rate. It was such a bad problem last
• 1:04:14
  year. They weren't worse in the
• 1:04:15
  country, but now they're 17th and turnover percent so far this
• 1:04:19
  year. And I think the thing that Mike
• 1:04:20
  talked about in the precinct was that, you know, he's got 3 ball
• 1:04:23
  handlers between obviously Abdallas who's sort of like a
• 1:04:27
  point forward, kind of like our our LeBron.
• 1:04:30
  But then you've also got guys like Jalen Bedford who can
• 1:04:34
  handle the ball a little bit and Ben Hammond as well.
• 1:04:37
  So I, I think we've got a much more, a much better compliment
• 1:04:41
  at guards, at the guard spot at, at the one.
• 1:04:45
  And you've also got more versatility at the, at the, you
• 1:04:47
  know, center position between Toby Lawall and Imani Monte
• 1:04:52
  Hansberry, who, you know, can kind of provide a good punch at
• 1:04:54
  that four or five spot and some more positional versatility too.
• 1:04:57
  So it's a much more deep and versatile roster than it was
• 1:05:01
  last year. So I think what we're seeing is
• 1:05:03
  that Mike, when he has his tools to work with, he can be, he can
• 1:05:06
  be a very good coach. Well, I'm.
• 1:05:08
  Going to I'm going to make it. You brought up.
• 1:05:11
  Can I say 3 points? So first of all you talk about
• 1:05:14
  size wise two of the guys brought in this year Jaden shoot
• 1:05:21
  65210 Tyler Johnson guard 65210. So not only I think Johnson was
• 1:05:29
  here last year y'all have to get me.
• 1:05:31
  But shoot was a transfer. I know you're talking about
• 1:05:34
  bigger guards, so you got three big guards like that, but the
• 1:05:38
  other thing in Charlie, I'll get it back to you Saturday and I
• 1:05:42
  didn't get to watch it. I don't have Peacock sucked.
• 1:05:45
  My buddy Robbie, he's in the chat tonight.
• 1:05:46
  He's been a while. Football season's over down in
• 1:05:48
  the mountains. He was giving us updates and you
• 1:05:52
  know, watch the highlights. But watching the game flow that
• 1:05:54
  first half, Neo kept this in the game because we were only down 6
• 1:05:58
  and half and it was him. It was him.
• 1:06:00
  He had like what, 2019 to 20 in the first half, but then they
• 1:06:05
  figured out what the adjustments in Hansberry in the wall and the
• 1:06:10
  other guys in the second-half of that game.
• 1:06:13
  Not only did he continue to score, but they picked up the
• 1:06:15
  slack and and it's been so many years where that didn't happen.
• 1:06:20
  So it was enjoyable seeing that. Go ahead, Tyler, what you got?
• 1:06:25
  Yeah, no, I was just going to say, and you know, a lot of talk
• 1:06:27
  has been about Neo, of course, because of how good he's been.
• 1:06:31
  But you can go look at Hansberry when Sheldon brought up as well.
• 1:06:35
  He's damn near averaging 20 and 20 and 10 right now.
• 1:06:39
  I know it's only been two games, but when you got a big man
• 1:06:42
  that's and I mean he's not thinking maybe like 6869
• 1:06:46
  playing, you know, center or position.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah, he's got some, he's got some some beef in the inside.
• 1:06:52
  And I just when you watch him play, he's just got a little bit
• 1:06:55
  different, a little bit different motor than I'm used to
• 1:07:00
  kind of Virginia Tech big men having has good hands, good feet
• 1:07:05
  and he get after the ball. You know, he's going after every
• 1:07:08
  rebound. He's not shying away from any
• 1:07:11
  contact. He just seems to be in the right
• 1:07:15
  places at the right time, which helps when you have somebody
• 1:07:18
  that's distributing the ball like Neo.
• 1:07:20
  But again, I think he's averaging 18 and 12 right there
• 1:07:23
  in those two games. I mean, that's a big deal, man.
• 1:07:26
  And then like you, Sheldon and and Curtis as well.
• 1:07:30
  You brought up a little while, like I think he's right around
• 1:07:35
  13 and 12 or something like that.
• 1:07:37
  He's just a, he's a athletic guy that's just on the rim and it's
• 1:07:43
  a fun team to watch right now, man.
• 1:07:44
  So anybody who hadn't been watching, because I'm a, I'm a
• 1:07:47
  big sports fan. I mean, I'm a huge basketball
• 1:07:50
  fan as well as football, but I just haven't had much excitement
• 1:07:56
  watching Virginia Tech as of late.
• 1:07:59
  This team has been exciting to watch.
• 1:08:01
  And again, try not to get too excited at the beginning of the
• 1:08:04
  season about stats and plays and where we line up and stuff like
• 1:08:09
  that. But even if we lost that game
• 1:08:12
  against Providence, it was exciting to watch.
• 1:08:15
  I'm like, man, this team is fun to watch.
• 1:08:17
  So I'm excited, man. I hope, and I never say it.
• 1:08:21
  I know people will try to say I said I never said Mike Young
• 1:08:25
  wasn't a good coach. I didn't ever say that, I think.
• 1:08:27
  He's a good guy. We did say that.
• 1:08:30
  I just think that I just said I thought he was old and outdated.
• 1:08:33
  So I'm excited to see what he does with this talent that he
• 1:08:36
  has and how these guys compete this year because they look
• 1:08:42
  good. They they look like it's going
• 1:08:44
  to be a fun year to pay attention to basketball.
• 1:08:48
  Duke looks really good too. So I will be.
• 1:08:50
  I got a kid that graduated from here in Grissom.
• 1:08:54
  He's at Clemson, so I'm going to try to solicit some tickets from
• 1:08:58
  him so I can check one of them games out this year.
• 1:09:00
  There we go. I'm interested to see what a
• 1:09:04
  Mike Young team looks like that isn't overly dependent on the
• 1:09:10
  three and then having like one other primary score.
• 1:09:13
  I feel like we've got enough people that can get their shots
• 1:09:18
  in this offense. It doesn't all have to come from
• 1:09:21
  the three-point line or go through one person, although Neo
• 1:09:24
  has the ability to be kind of that take over a game type
• 1:09:27
  player. So I'm interested to see how
• 1:09:31
  Mike Young evolves with this roster in terms of what he's
• 1:09:36
  trying to do from an offensive standpoint because you know, we
• 1:09:39
  know what he can do when he's got shooters out there.
• 1:09:42
  I'm interested to see what he can do with having a true
• 1:09:47
  versatile mismatched nightmare weapon like Neo, and how he can
• 1:09:51
  draw up some interesting things to play off of that.
• 1:09:55
  Well, I mentioned this last week, or maybe I didn't mention
• 1:09:58
  the last week when we go last week Tuesday night, have they
• 1:10:01
  played the game? I don't remember.
• 1:10:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they played the game and he did it again
• 1:10:06
  Saturday. And it's to Tally's point, my
• 1:10:09
  young system can work, But every time you draw up a player and
• 1:10:13
  have a set play, which Mike does a lot right, not all the time,
• 1:10:18
  is it going to get you the best shot.
• 1:10:20
  For years, at least as long as I've known Jonathan Gen.
• 1:10:24
  Tech basketball, I just want to tell he's always say I just want
• 1:10:27
  a guy that we're up three points, we need to extend it.
• 1:10:31
  And you know what? You don't say just go, go score
• 1:10:34
  a bucket. And we've seen Neo do that like
• 1:10:37
  you've seen him just literally stop, step back, fadeaways, just
• 1:10:41
  take him to the rim for a layup or playing A2 man game with
• 1:10:44
  somebody and giving them an easy slammer, an easy shot.
• 1:10:47
  And when that happens, it's those times where we had made a
• 1:10:50
  bucket in 2 minutes, they cut an 8 point lead to four.
• 1:10:53
  He does something, cuts it back up, goes back to seven and you
• 1:10:57
  killed him. You know what?
• 1:10:59
  Yeah. And you know what else, Curtis?
• 1:11:00
  If you go back and look at that Providence game, he plays good
• 1:11:05
  defense. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:07
  Like. He.
• 1:11:08
  Has the length, yeah, he has the length to play defense.
• 1:11:11
  And I've seen a couple times where they tried to put him in a
• 1:11:14
  bad spot and, and, and get to the rim on him and he knows how
• 1:11:18
  to use his body to go straight up and didn't cause a foul.
• 1:11:21
  So he's a very, very smart player, which a lot of times
• 1:11:25
  those, those European guys are like years ahead of what how old
• 1:11:30
  they are. They might not even be the age
• 1:11:32
  that they say they is. He might be 30 years old.
• 1:11:33
  You know, I don't know what I'm just saying.
• 1:11:36
  Like most of those European guys, because they play with
• 1:11:40
  such older guys for so many years, when they come over here,
• 1:11:44
  they're like they're pretty much pros already.
• 1:11:47
  And somebody in the chat said it sucks that we haven't for one
• 1:11:50
  year. No, that's a great thing in
• 1:11:53
  basketball. You want to have a one and done
• 1:11:56
  because that gets somebody at your school that has a great
• 1:11:59
  year for him to be 1 and done and then he goes to the league.
• 1:12:02
  We don't want him to go nowhere else and carry their name.
• 1:12:05
  We want them to go to the league and carry Virginia Tech's name
• 1:12:08
  and say, oh, that he was at Virginia Tech and that brings
• 1:12:10
  more eyes to your school. So I'm excited to see what he
• 1:12:13
  does this year. Sean, is there anything else you
• 1:12:17
  wrote in your article or anything else you want to pump
• 1:12:20
  because Saint Joe's tomorrow night?
• 1:12:22
  Not the Saint Joe's of old, but another decent challenge there.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah, they're a decent team out of the 810.
• 1:12:29
  I think it'll be a good, a good, solid challenge.
• 1:12:32
  I'd say on the whole, like we guys were talking about, you
• 1:12:34
  know, Mike has said this will not be a great 3 point shooting
• 1:12:36
  team. This they could be an OK 3 point
• 1:12:38
  shooting team, but I think they're mostly going to play
• 1:12:40
  through Nico, who can obviously, you know, shoot from outside,
• 1:12:43
  but he's a really good mid range score, can get to the bucket as
• 1:12:45
  well. And also, you know, run the
• 1:12:48
  offense through Toby and Hansberry as well, because I
• 1:12:50
  think I think Hansberry is very talented and him and Toby are
• 1:12:53
  both very long and just have a ton of athleticism.
• 1:12:56
  So, you know, they'll they'll get the ball inside a little bit
• 1:12:59
  more and kind of just let Neo do his thing.
• 1:13:03
  So yeah, I mean, I think I think it'll be a good team.
• 1:13:07
  It'll be a good team. Again, the big thing is really
• 1:13:09
  just, you know, defense. How much of how much of a step
• 1:13:12
  up are they going to take from from last year?
• 1:13:15
  I think they'll be a better rebounding team.
• 1:13:17
  And I think they'll also score a lot more in transition just
• 1:13:20
  because they've got more speed and athleticism than they did a
• 1:13:24
  season ago. So, and, and typically in
• 1:13:26
  transition offense has not been a big thing under Mike.
• 1:13:28
  But from what he was saying at Charlotte in the in the ACC
• 1:13:31
  media day, he thinks it's going to be a little bit more of a a
• 1:13:34
  staple of his offense this season.
• 1:13:36
  So very excited to watch that. All right, perfect, perfect.
• 1:13:40
  Also go to T play. Check out Sheldon's preview.
• 1:13:44
  Get all the insurance and outs of this team this year.
• 1:13:48
  All right, real quick, get back to football.
• 1:13:54
  First of all, does anyone have faith that we are going to win
• 1:13:58
  Saturday night? Is anybody picking the Hokies to
• 1:14:01
  win in US Four? I'm not.
• 1:14:06
  I think it'll be competitive, but no, I'm not picking them to
• 1:14:08
  win. OK, Dally.
• 1:14:11
  Saying they're going to be competitive, think it'll be kind
• 1:14:14
  of what we it's kind of a coin flip because you got two teams
• 1:14:17
  that like don't know how to win, but I just think they got more
• 1:14:22
  talent than us because we got so many people that are out and and
• 1:14:26
  not there. So I'm not picking up to win,
• 1:14:28
  but I'm I'm if the line would be was 13 1/2.
• 1:14:34
  Is that what the line is? 13 Half is blind.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah, no, I think I would pick us to cover, but not to win.
• 1:14:43
  Yeah. Yeah, same exact space.
• 1:14:45
  I mean, I think it's going to be about a 8 or 9 point victory for
• 1:14:50
  the Seminoles. You know, I could push it to 10
• 1:14:52
  if you if you said the line was 9 1/2, I might pick FSU against
• 1:14:57
  the spread there. But you know, 13 1/2 is is I
• 1:15:02
  think too rich. I think we'll keep it close.
• 1:15:04
  I think we'll play it tough, but I think we kind of fade in the
• 1:15:07
  fourth quarter and kind of let them get a little bit of
• 1:15:10
  distance between us before the whistle blows there at the end.
• 1:15:15
  Yeah, I think this is going to be similar to the Louisville
• 1:15:18
  game. I think we're going to punch him
• 1:15:20
  the whole time. But what he mentioned induce a
• 1:15:24
  kid who has that sort of explosion in their other kid to
• 1:15:27
  go over the top. They're going to run the ball
• 1:15:29
  well enough against us. I know we have been doing better
• 1:15:32
  against the run, but it's it's Shelton's 8 old adage, right?
• 1:15:36
  They're going to hit probably 3 explosive plays.
• 1:15:38
  They're going to hit 3 plays, 30 yards plus something like 2717
• 1:15:44
  we cover. But again, we just don't have
• 1:15:47
  the passing offense right now to keep up.
• 1:15:49
  Literally, if a monsoon came through Saturday night, we'd
• 1:15:53
  have a shot, but unfortunately we don't.
• 1:15:56
  So you know, is what it is. We said Mike Norville saves his
• 1:16:00
  job because he beats Virginia Tech.
• 1:16:03
  There you go. All right, let's go because we
• 1:16:08
  still got then I will say this, pull it up Sheldon Talic.
• 1:16:14
  Y'all got to get over 500. OK, just so one person on this
• 1:16:18
  podcast has a winning record because me and Brian ain't got
• 1:16:21
  no chance in hell. Yeah, the math, I think math it
• 1:16:23
  on my end. Well we've had now if, if y'all
• 1:16:27
  haven't counted, me and Brian have had 3 / 4 weekends, 6
• 1:16:33
  combined. That's impressive.
• 1:16:34
  So fade us whatever we do. Tally and Shelton started rough.
• 1:16:38
  They have been slowly climbing back and it's been it's been a
• 1:16:43
  fun season of games, as it always is.
• 1:16:46
  You know, it's always fun games. It's out here.
• 1:16:49
  So regardless what happens, I can be mad with us.
• 1:16:54
  At least now it's not the the point where it's like I'm angry.
• 1:16:58
  I don't want to watch any other games.
• 1:17:00
  I was at peace early in the season.
• 1:17:01
  I'm at peace the rest of the season.
• 1:17:03
  So let's make some picks. Let's see if either of us can go
• 1:17:08
  really bad. I'm picking first here.
• 1:17:12
  I thought this was an interesting match up with NC
• 1:17:14
  State. NC State versus Miami down at
• 1:17:18
  Miami, Miami laying 15 1/2. NC State either is ass or they
• 1:17:25
  play like their hair is on fire. There is no middle ground for
• 1:17:28
  them. They beat Georgia Tech, they
• 1:17:32
  they lost to us though. You make that make sense.
• 1:17:36
  In this case though, as much as I like Miami, I think NC State
• 1:17:40
  does have enough talent. I think that's too big of a
• 1:17:43
  line. I think this is somewhere like a
• 1:17:45
  10 point game. Give me NC State.
• 1:17:49
  I'll think that, points Sheldon. Yeah, I took NC State, although
• 1:17:57
  in hindsight I might want to switch it, But I, I do think
• 1:18:01
  that they're coming off a really emotional win against Georgia
• 1:18:05
  Tech and I, I actually don't like teams when they're coming
• 1:18:07
  off emotional wins. So for that reason, my brain
• 1:18:10
  would kind of say Miami, but kind of like you said, Curtis,
• 1:18:13
  15 1/2. That's a pretty big line.
• 1:18:14
  I could see them losing by two touchdowns, but three scores
• 1:18:17
  would be a little bit much. So I'll take, I'll take the
• 1:18:19
  back. And and real quick, Shelton,
• 1:18:21
  they did have last week off. So they did not.
• 1:18:26
  They did. They did have to have that
• 1:18:27
  buffer in between the big win. There's more time to think about
• 1:18:30
  it even worse. Or is it better?
• 1:18:33
  What do you think, Tally? Well, I my first mind was North
• 1:18:40
  Carolina State, so I I chose North Carolina State.
• 1:18:43
  But then now that I'm paying attention and Curtis picked
• 1:18:47
  North Carolina State, I wish I could switch mine and fade him.
• 1:18:52
  No, but I kind of had to say I kind of had the same mindset as
• 1:18:56
  y'all. I just feel like that's too many
• 1:18:59
  points. I think with how bogus the ACC
• 1:19:03
  is, it don't even have to do with these two teams.
• 1:19:05
  I just think that something has to happen to cause chaos.
• 1:19:09
  So 15 1/2 is too much. It's got to be a close game.
• 1:19:14
  I think Miami still pulls it off, but I think it's a close
• 1:19:17
  game and North Carolina State loses by maybe 10, something
• 1:19:23
  like that. You know what, Tyler, are you
• 1:19:28
  going to see this and he going to wish you would definitely.
• 1:19:30
  Think Miami. Oh boy, she was stuck with
• 1:19:33
  Miami, man. Hey, so I will say this.
• 1:19:39
  You know this is 1. If you'd have told me that line
• 1:19:43
  was 12 1/2, you could probably talk me into taking Miami here.
• 1:19:49
  15 and a hook just seems like way too many points.
• 1:19:53
  There's way too many different ways that can fall where it's
• 1:19:57
  it's 15 or fewer here, I think. It's you're up, you're up 4221
• 1:20:01
  and you take everybody out and they sneak a touchdown in.
• 1:20:04
  Yeah, it's it's it's goofy shit that you can get this one.
• 1:20:07
  I I feel like it's going to be like I said about a about a
• 1:20:10
  about a 12 point victory for the for the Hurricanes here, but I
• 1:20:14
  did not like that 15 1/2. So I'm going to state.
• 1:20:18
  All right. Who's next?
• 1:20:24
  Is that me? Did I just use that?
• 1:20:26
  I think that's me. That is you.
• 1:20:30
  Interesting game to me. You know, Georgia, I got a lot
• 1:20:33
  of Georgia fans, friends here, so I, you know, kind of pay
• 1:20:37
  attention to them. Georgia hadn't been super
• 1:20:40
  impressive this year. I mean, compared to what we've
• 1:20:44
  seen, they've been impressive, but I'm just saying the Georgia
• 1:20:48
  old, you know, just going out and blowing teams out and stuff
• 1:20:51
  and Texas is just a weird team. You know, I, I feel like I never
• 1:20:55
  know what I'm going to get from Texas.
• 1:20:56
  You know, I don't think the quarterback's that good, but I
• 1:20:59
  also think that their team is pretty solid.
• 1:21:04
  So I think it's going to be an interesting game.
• 1:21:08
  But I did take you, I did take Georgia to win in this one and
• 1:21:12
  to cover in this one just because I think that Arch is
• 1:21:16
  going to give up some interceptions.
• 1:21:21
  Brad. Yeah, I'm right there with you,
• 1:21:25
  Tally. Oh, man, I'm riding with Georgia
• 1:21:27
  with you Tally. I don't know what Texas team is
• 1:21:32
  going to show up. And that's really the difference
• 1:21:36
  in this. I mean, that's a Texas team that
• 1:21:38
  lost to Florida by 8 at home. Georgia's a lot better than
• 1:21:42
  Florida. Yeah, that's a, that's a Texas
• 1:21:45
  team that, you know, was in a dog fight with Kentucky and then
• 1:21:50
  turned around 2 weeks later and, and beat Vanderbilt.
• 1:21:53
  So I don't really know what to expect from them.
• 1:21:55
  But because of that, I am going to ride with Georgia.
• 1:21:59
  I think they're the more consistent team.
• 1:22:01
  I think they're the team that can probably take care of
• 1:22:03
  business by a touchdown at home. All right, Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  Does it mean Sheldon, you get to go forth?
• 1:22:11
  Hold on young man Tally Shelton because I think I if I can
• 1:22:19
  remember what Shelton picked, I'm going dogs on this one.
• 1:22:22
  The reality is the the tally's like, oh God.
• 1:22:27
  The reality is Texas could be like 4 and 5 right now.
• 1:22:31
  They should have lost Mississippi State.
• 1:22:33
  They should have lost to Kentucky.
• 1:22:35
  The honest truth is that Vanderbilt had got their head
• 1:22:38
  out of their ass for the fourth quarter.
• 1:22:39
  They would have lost to Vanderbilt.
• 1:22:41
  They are not a good team. The best game they played all
• 1:22:44
  year was at Oklahoma neutral site when Mattie didn't have a
• 1:22:46
  damn thumb. They get their doors blown.
• 1:22:50
  If this was 10, I did no. Yeah, I just, I don't know how
• 1:22:59
  much I trust Arch against the really elite defense.
• 1:23:01
  I think George is going to be the the second best defense
• 1:23:03
  that'll that he'll play so far behind Ohio State.
• 1:23:06
  So just not just not sold on him going into that background and
• 1:23:10
  coming away with the with the cover.
• 1:23:13
  There we go. All right, there we go.
• 1:23:15
  And Sheldon, it's back to you. Yeah, I just, I chose this game
• 1:23:19
  cuz I thought it was kind of interesting.
• 1:23:20
  You've got Louisville that's coming off just a horrendous
• 1:23:22
  loss against Cal potentially cost him a playoff spot and then
• 1:23:27
  the Clemson team that kind of had a get right game against
• 1:23:31
  against FSU. So I'm going Louisville.
• 1:23:34
  I think it kind of the opposite what I said the last time where
• 1:23:37
  I pick against teams ahead and they're coming off an emotional
• 1:23:39
  win. I am picking for Louisville
• 1:23:41
  because I think they're going to be really pissed off after that
• 1:23:43
  loss last week and they're going to they're going to have their
• 1:23:46
  heads screwed on straight against Clemson.
• 1:23:48
  They're going to take out the frustration on them.
• 1:23:52
  All right, Tally. Yeah, I'm going to go with
• 1:23:56
  Clemson in this game just because Dabo has the Lord on his
• 1:24:00
  side and he needs to get to a bowl game to kind of salvage his
• 1:24:04
  job a little bit. Think that he's going to do that
• 1:24:07
  somehow, but I think that this will be a big win for him.
• 1:24:11
  Dabo can coach. You know, I don't know how they
• 1:24:15
  line up against Louisville on paper.
• 1:24:18
  I haven't paid attention to the two teams, but I watched
• 1:24:20
  Virginia Tech play Louisville and should have beat them, and
• 1:24:23
  then I watched Louisville the next week play Cow and and lose.
• 1:24:30
  So I feel like Clemson's going to go in there and take care of
• 1:24:35
  business and win this game unless Curtis says the same
• 1:24:39
  thing I did. Sally, I hate to tell you
• 1:24:44
  something, it's not Curtis, but it is me.
• 1:24:48
  I'm riding with Clemson on this one too.
• 1:24:52
  I don't necessarily think that Clemson had a get right game,
• 1:24:55
  but I just don't think Louisville is quite the team
• 1:24:59
  that we think they are. I think they've been exposed.
• 1:25:01
  Is that running back hurt? Is that running back hurt that
• 1:25:04
  that hamstring injured? I think I don't know if he's
• 1:25:07
  going to play or not. I haven't heard final if he's
• 1:25:09
  going to be playing or not. But we, we.
• 1:25:11
  Know that on Thursday. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:14
  I thought I was saying that he was still hurting.
• 1:25:16
  Yeah, you know. I think Brown's still out.
• 1:25:20
  Yeah, I, I, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not too high on Louisville
• 1:25:24
  as a team. I think they're going to be,
• 1:25:27
  it's going to be a tight game, but I think I think Clemson
• 1:25:30
  probably pulls this off. I think they went out right
• 1:25:33
  probably, but it's going to come down to the wire on this one.
• 1:25:41
  Louisville's a better coach. Team Louisville's in a good
• 1:25:43
  headspace. Louisville's playing for
• 1:25:45
  something. I think they were 15th in the
• 1:25:46
  rankings tonight. They still have a playoff shot
• 1:25:50
  with a couple games left. They have still a child to go
• 1:25:52
  to. The ACCI think they win by a
• 1:25:55
  touchdown all right, because clearly the Lord ain't on Dabo's
• 1:26:00
  side to have all that talent. The guy can't barely win four
• 1:26:03
  games, so he ain't the Lord ain't on this side.
• 1:26:07
  Man, you got to look at the whole body of work.
• 1:26:09
  Curtis, he's been there for a while.
• 1:26:10
  He. Said the whole body of work.
• 1:26:13
  The whole body of work. The whole body of work.
• 1:26:17
  Clearly he sold his soul to the devil for a few years.
• 1:26:19
  That's why he got lucky and won all those titles.
• 1:26:22
  There you go. That that may be, that may be
• 1:26:24
  true too. He's sold, his soul sold to New
• 1:26:27
  Spring. New spring church, by the way,
• 1:26:31
  Tally, I sent you a text. February 11th, Tech plays down
• 1:26:35
  at Clemson. That's the one.
• 1:26:36
  I think that's the Saturday too. Had to check that out man, see
• 1:26:40
  what I can do to make it there. So you can make it up.
• 1:26:43
  You know what, I picked this and then I've seen what what
• 1:26:46
  Narduzia said. So I might have to go back on
• 1:26:49
  this, but we got Notre Dame, Pitt plus 11 1/2.
• 1:26:53
  This is apparently not a big game, guys.
• 1:26:55
  This this. Not a big game, doesn't.
• 1:26:56
  Matter at all. It's this opponent has no no
• 1:26:59
  bearing because it's not an ACC opponent.
• 1:27:02
  So we don't give a shit about them.
• 1:27:04
  But Notre Dame is going to Pittsburgh nonetheless.
• 1:27:08
  And The funny thing about this one is that line, I think if you
• 1:27:13
  if you'd have bumped this down to 8 1/2, I might would have
• 1:27:16
  maybe lean towards the Irish, but 11 1/2 is just too much.
• 1:27:19
  So I went with. Pitt, I too went with Pitt way
• 1:27:24
  too much like biggest game that Pitt since like 2005 or
• 1:27:29
  something like game days there. It's a noon kick.
• 1:27:32
  It's going to be like the Big 12 O clock game and Arduchi can say
• 1:27:37
  what he wants. And this is where it's like
• 1:27:39
  you're in an era where, like games like this still matter
• 1:27:43
  because if they went out and go 10 and two and they have a Notre
• 1:27:46
  Dame win on their resume, they could sneak in again.
• 1:27:51
  This is why, like, This is why all those people, when I know
• 1:27:54
  Sheldon Tally got to say This is why all those people who said
• 1:27:56
  the playoffs is going to kill the regular season?
• 1:27:59
  No, because in no conceived circumstances 10 years ago would
• 1:28:05
  Pitt have had any chance to get into a playoff playing Notre
• 1:28:09
  Dame this late. They wouldn't have 7 and 2
• 1:28:11
  million in. They do now.
• 1:28:13
  This game's massive. And also if Notre Dame takes
• 1:28:17
  another L, there ain't no way they're making it.
• 1:28:20
  I don't know if Pitt can win. I hate Norduzzi, but I don't
• 1:28:23
  like Notre Dame and I don't. I don't know.
• 1:28:26
  Lemon has too much. Well, according to Pat and
• 1:28:31
  Norduzzi, this game doesn't matter, so I will.
• 1:28:34
  I don't know if you guys saw that on Twitter.
• 1:28:36
  His quotes, yeah. But.
• 1:28:39
  Yeah, I don't know how the the players are going to take that.
• 1:28:41
  I I'd imagine they'll be pretty inspired after that, hopefully.
• 1:28:43
  But yeah, Notre Dame will definitely win.
• 1:28:45
  But I do like pits cover, so give me the Panthers.
• 1:28:49
  Same premise I feel and I feel crazy now I need to go switch
• 1:28:55
  these picks man. I'm trying to get the Curtis
• 1:28:57
  wants me to get the 500 but he keeps picking with me.
• 1:29:01
  Well, it isn't. Curtis and Brian.
• 1:29:03
  Listen, Brian, listen. I'm usually the first woman.
• 1:29:06
  To talk himself there. Brian started the year off
• 1:29:09
  wrong, so we should be fading him.
• 1:29:12
  I'm thinking the same thing now that Narduzzi's came on and said
• 1:29:16
  his crazy stuff that he said. But that man is crazy.
• 1:29:19
  So I don't even listen to anything he says.
• 1:29:22
  He's probably, you know, he's smoking mirrors and he goes in
• 1:29:25
  the locker room and gets high off cocaine or something.
• 1:29:28
  Who knows what he does, but he's going to be he's, he's going to
• 1:29:32
  be dude. He's going to be out for this
• 1:29:36
  game. You know what he probably did.
• 1:29:38
  You know what he probably did, He probably had all the kids.
• 1:29:41
  He probably said this is this is such an important game for who
• 1:29:44
  we are. We beat them, we knocked them
• 1:29:45
  out, we get in. But watch what I'm going to say
• 1:29:47
  to the press. Y'all going to get a kick out
• 1:29:50
  this and he goes out. They don't.
• 1:29:51
  Care. They didn't, yeah, they didn't
• 1:29:53
  care about the ACC, so we don't care about them.
• 1:29:56
  And I'm telling he's always doing something crazy, but I
• 1:29:59
  think, I don't think they win this game, but I think they
• 1:30:02
  cover. Yeah, I think they, I think they
• 1:30:04
  battle them. All right, so there are the big
• 1:30:07
  screeners bunch and there is more good games.
• 1:30:09
  I mean, we didn't even throw Alabama, Oklahoma on.
• 1:30:11
  Yeah, that's a massive bite this weekend.
• 1:30:13
  There's a couple of them, Lane Kiffin against Florida.
• 1:30:16
  We remember what happened at this time last year.
• 1:30:19
  Ole Miss was in, they're in the playoffs, then they shit down
• 1:30:23
  their leg and they were out of the playoffs.
• 1:30:25
  Love it. Anything to add tonight
• 1:30:28
  gentlemen, before we wrap this up?
• 1:30:33
  Oh, I. Don't.
• 1:30:35
  Yeah, I think we're good. I want to throw one thing in
• 1:30:38
  there. Hold on one second.
• 1:30:39
  Curtis. Give me just a second here.
• 1:30:44
  Trying to see who Curtis's best friend plays this week.
• 1:30:48
  OK. Curtis's best buddy, Shane.
• 1:30:52
  Plays. Texas A&N plays Texas A&M this
• 1:30:57
  week. He's going to win the game.
• 1:30:58
  Watch because you didn't put it on the board that was your big.
• 1:31:01
  Screener So that was going to be my question.
• 1:31:04
  That was going to be my question.
• 1:31:06
  He's sitting at 3:00 and 6:00, the same record as the Hokies.
• 1:31:10
  Is Shane on going here and shot the number 3 Texas A&M Aggies
• 1:31:17
  Curtis? No, no, although, although he's
• 1:31:22
  done all the right moves by firing people ahead of time to
• 1:31:26
  save his job for next year, I don't think he can win that
• 1:31:29
  game. That's that's down there.
• 1:31:32
  That line's 18 1/2. Nope.
• 1:31:36
  I don't think the game's what about either one of y'all. 2:00
• 1:31:41
  AM. I taking South Carolina.
• 1:31:44
  Brian, what you think? No, this is fade.
• 1:31:49
  Shane, you. Don't think he can go on it.
• 1:31:51
  You don't think they're going in shock them.
• 1:31:52
  We go fade Shane the rest of the way.
• 1:31:56
  Fade Shane baby. Fade Shane.
• 1:31:59
  Biggest win this year could be against a three and six Virginia
• 1:32:03
  Tech team and you gave your daughter the game ball.
• 1:32:06
  Fuck off. There you go, Shelton.
• 1:32:11
  My audio cut out for a second, what were you guys talking
• 1:32:13
  about? Talking about can, can, can they
• 1:32:16
  beat Texas A&M this weekend? No, no, they they will not.
• 1:32:22
  Texas name is legit man. They are, they are legit.
• 1:32:25
  I I was done a great job there. He has done, could have been our
• 1:32:28
  coach. Could have been our coach, but.
• 1:32:30
  Hey, could have been our coach. Well, we're not going to get
• 1:32:33
  into that today. We can get into that stay of the
• 1:32:36
  program roughly 5 weeks away. We'll get into that, right?
• 1:32:39
  All right, with all that fun night, a lot of people watching
• 1:32:43
  a lot of stuff in the chat appreciate Jesse from Fear the
• 1:32:47
  Sphere, a great name for a podcast.
• 1:32:52
  Plant a spirit, Fear to spirit, plant a spirit, Chuck to spear,
• 1:32:55
  whatever. He got a spirit planet.
• 1:33:00
  Yeah, that's right. Listen, I'm tired of y'all.
• 1:33:05
  I gotta go to bed. So I'm going to wrap up this
• 1:33:07
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