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Extreme Endurance Athlete Robert Abcug - Triple Ironman & DECA Ironman | Ep 77 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: We got a really cool guest, a legend with ultra marathon, ironman swimming Not a legend, mr Robert Absug.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, tell us about what you're doing, what you do for a living, and then how we ended up getting in contact.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm Rob Absug.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, I am a general contractor down here in South Florida.
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  Speaker 2: I've lived here for about 50 years now down in South Florida, and I build and renovate high-end custom homes uh, ground up construction or large scale renovations Pretty much what I do, Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So you're?
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  Speaker 2: You're on your feet a lot All day long, every day, climbing up on a roof checking out what the guys are doing, walking through the foundation over steel, reinforcing over concrete, jumping, walking all day long around the house, circling, checking on guys, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or I'm sitting in the car driving to the next house and checking on the next house, Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: So all in the field, very little office work and constantly on my feet.
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  Speaker 1: Yep Gotcha, and then you reached out to me.
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  Speaker 2: I did so I have a buddy that also.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: So I do long distance racing, whether it's long distance swimming, biking, running, long distance triathlon, and when I say long distance I mean like multiple Ironman type races, a hundred mile type run races, a thousand mile bike long, long stuff.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So I have what I thought was plantar fasciitis and being of course, the expert diagnose that I am not quite that's facetious.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a buddy that was experiencing the same thing and he came to you and you solved his issues and dealt with his feet and he's back up and running.
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  Speaker 2: So I reached out to him, asked him Leo Acosta, okay, yeah.
• 2:20
  Speaker 2: Asked him and he said go to this guy, he's a genius, don't know all that.
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  Speaker 2: So I did, reached out to you, we set an appointment and, uh, we're here cool, all right.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: So, and we were working, I was evaluating you, yes, and I was like, tell me about what you do and stuff.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I run, I'm like, okay, all like, okay, all right, we got a, you know, weekend warrior, you know guy likes to run a lot and stay active, right, but I had no idea at the level of what you were doing, right, um, so tell us all right, so let's dive in.
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: So you, you, you've done Ironman, I have, you've done triple Ironman, I have Deca Ironman, I have the cross the state, like from the lake to ocean, yep.
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  Speaker 1: Ultra race, yep, and then thousand long mile bikes, yep.
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  Speaker 1: So I.
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  Speaker 2: I'm old and slow so I am no longer fast where I can beat the fast guys, the young guys.
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  Speaker 2: So as I got older I had to go longer.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: I still don't win anymore, but this is where I'm at, so using your experience to your advantage versus sprints yeah, I'm just too slow, can't beat the fast guys, just finishing.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: It is insane.
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: Um, all right, well, tell us, let's back up a little bit, because I want to.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into those details, details.
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  Speaker 1: So you were a swimmer in college?
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  Speaker 2: I did so.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up swimming competitively.
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  Speaker 2: I started when I was four years old on a swim team and racing my brother also, and eventually I swam D1, swam in college, trained my entire life to swim and play water polo.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: I was never going to make the Olympics but I was definitely online for Olympic trials, cool NCAA kind of stuff, world-class kind of ranked.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: And I got hurt my freshman year of college and hurt my shoulders and that was the end of my swimming career on that level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I took some years off, uh, lost in life for a little while there.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, imagine that you spend your entire youth growing up with one goal, one life.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: And that was what we did.
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  Speaker 2: We swam before practice before school, went to school, swam in the afternoon after school, lifted weights, went to swimming again, went to water polo practice after that.
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  Speaker 2: That was it, that was life, that was my life, with one goal and that was to be best in the world, at least up there with the best in the world.
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: I was never going to be the best.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't that good, but it was, I mean that's.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: And then you made it.
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  Speaker 2: You got a D1 opportunity, did had full ride uh and then got hurt and unfortunately that was that.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: So I took some years off.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, wound up like most guys at 30 years old had kids, was fat, was heavy, looked in the mirror one day and said what the heck are you doing?
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: You're disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: Disgusting is not the right word, but in my head that's what I was.
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  Speaker 1: For your own expectations.
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  Speaker 1: Correct From where I was.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an athlete Exactly for your own expectations, from correct from where it was.
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  Speaker 2: Athlete exactly from where I was in my life.
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  Speaker 1: there I am and uh said I gotta do something so it's interesting you say that, like I, because I've myself included, and then also people I've talked with where it's like, was a previous competitive individual, played sports, college athlete, that's over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my identity crisis happens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as in like I don't know who I am, like I'm missing, like well, I don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't even imagine for, like pros, like plays, you know multiple years, they just can't give it up.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, or just can't let go in some fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I get it and I'm like and there's a professional.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking with a mental health professional and they're saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: They were like there's like an identity crisis.
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  Speaker 1: They don't know who they are, what to do, what's the next step?
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  Speaker 1: Where do they get the same drive or feel that they're looking for it's very true.
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  Speaker 2: It's more than just a lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: It's who you are in your head, that competition, that need to go extreme, whether it's extreme long distance racing or whatever that may be.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that I need to work out every day just to feel good.
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  Speaker 2: It's in my head.
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  Speaker 2: I have to have that drive to be.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even drive to be the best, but I have to have that competitive feeling, that pushing myself to the limit and whether it's skydiving or I went rock climbing and ice climbing, whatever it is, I I need that push every day, or otherwise I just I don't feel me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's tough and that leads to then like just a trajectory in the not best direction.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then you were 30, you woke up and you're like what, the what am I doing?
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: What am I doing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I looked in the mirror and I'm like, oh, who is that guy that's looking at me?
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got my butt back in shape.
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  Speaker 2: I got back in the water where I'm comfortable, where I am way more comfortable swimming than on land.
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  Speaker 2: It was your element.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so, and how many kids did you have at that point?
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  Speaker 2: I had two kids then.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you know, yeah, and they were nine and four, so you had a kid.
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: Nine and five, you had a kid young.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I did, I was really young.
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  Speaker 1: That's tough, that's tough, that's tough yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 2: I was 21 when my first son was born.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I got back in the pool, swam, swam for maybe three or four months and I was like all right, shoulders feel good, they're not hurting me, Knees feel good, Everything feels okay, let's do a race.
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  Speaker 2: So I was at swimming on the ocean one day and these guys were talking about this Tampa Bay swim race.
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  Speaker 2: I said Tampa Bay, what's up with that?
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  Speaker 2: So it's a 26-mile swim race.
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  Speaker 2: I said I could do that, no problem.
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  Speaker 2: So I call up my brother, who has always been my partner in crime.
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  Speaker 2: My best friend Also swam D1 and played water polo, played at.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys trained together.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, All growing up.
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  Speaker 1: He's two years younger than me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we've always my best friend, always my swimming companion, adventurer, up for anything.
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  Speaker 2: Same personality, same he's me, yeah, yeah, cool.
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  Speaker 2: So, hey, stu, what do you think about a swim?
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  Speaker 2: He also hadn't been swimming and he's like sure, I'm in, I'm in.
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  Speaker 2: So we both swam Tampa Bay swim race.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, and we both did it.
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  Speaker 2: He beat me.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it's very funny.
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  Speaker 2: Growing up, I always beat my brother, it didn't matter what it was, it could be baseball, swimming, soccer, football, it doesn't matter Water polo.
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  Speaker 2: Sure enough, this is the first race he ever beat me, and that was he's beat me ever since.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So that was the first one he ever beat you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we did the Tampa Bay swim race and- how long did you guys train leading up to it?
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  Speaker 1: Four months, okay, maybe so the month.
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  Speaker 2: So the mirror episode we were like, what am I doing was right about my birthday in October and so and I guess it was six months, because the swim is Earth Day in April oh, okay, okay, gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: So six months later, we swam it.
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  Speaker 2: Cool, it was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how'd you feel after that?
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  Speaker 2: A mess, the shoulders were a mess, it was tough, it was a hard swim, but we did it.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to have a kayaker with you to.
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: That's your support.
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  Speaker 2: So, in long distance swimming, you can't you're, you can't touch the bottom, you can't have forward progress by anything.
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  Speaker 2: You have to have your own aid.
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: That's with you.
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  Speaker 2: This is a 12-hour swim.
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a 10-hour swim.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a kayak with us and both of our kayaks sank in the middle of the race.
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  Speaker 2: We had no idea what we were doing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we had towels and coolers for old beer for the guys that were kayaking and water and Gatorade for us.
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: I had an extra bathing suit packed.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, what the heck am I going to need an extra bathing suit for?
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: We didn't know.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: And we were so packed down and it was a rough day and it was a real chop in the Tampa Bay and both of our kayaks sank.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: So Coast Guard came, because they have a Coast Guard patrolling around checking on the race.
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  Speaker 2: This is back before you had to have a powerboat.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: Now you have to have some sort of real powerboat with you.
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  Speaker 2: Back then you didn't.
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  Speaker 2: This was old school, this was Wild West.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure enough, the kayak sank.
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: It was hilarious.
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Coast Guard had to pull them up, and I'm not trying to water for 30 minutes while they're figuring that out.
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: I just kept on going.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have to use your energy.
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: And then they found us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, it was hilarious.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so they caught up to you guys.
• 11:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they caught it.
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  Speaker 2: Coast Guard pulled the kayak up to us, found us Okay, we were another direction.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: And uh, wow.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: So then, uh, to jump forward the next year maybe it was two years, I think it was actually the next year we did it again, the same.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay right, so you were, you were, your shoulders were sore.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: Your legs were sore.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: Legs were fine, shoulders were sore, some burnt, but uh, shoulders were definitely sore, man, I couldn't move my arms for a little while after that, but we kept swimming.
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: We swam Key West.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: There's a race around Key West, so it's 12 and a half miles.
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: We swam that and he beat me in that one too.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the year after.
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  Speaker 2: So the April Earth Day, april is the Tampa Bay race, june is the swim around Key West.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: Swam nationals, masters, old people, nationals, masters, yeah, yeah, a couple in between there.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: And then we swam again Tampa Bay race the next time.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: And kayak didn't sink that time, but did, but he beat me again.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: He beat you again, okay, uh.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: So then we I've done this swam some long distance races.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: I did a couple sprint triathlons, like in there, what's that look like.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: So sprint triathlon was was great for me, although it's a very depressing race for me as a swimmer.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, I'm first out of the water.
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  Speaker 2: I could still at that age after being back in the water, I could still win the swim.
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  Speaker 2: So I could beat anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't matter what their loss, unless they were a D one college swimmer that was out coming to do the race, I would still beat them in the swim, even the pros didn't matter.
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: But then I got passed by everybody.
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  Speaker 2: The entire race is spent getting passed.
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  Speaker 2: I get on the bike and I'm a pretty good biker, could ride, didn't matter.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: I was so far ahead that all the pros would pass me, all the guys that win pass me, and then I suck at running, so it was all downhill from that.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we do a couple races and, uh, I needed a new challenge.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I needed something new.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: I had done long distance swimming, did an Olympic distance race.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like you know what, let's do an Ironman, okay.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: So, and when was that?
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  Speaker 1: And with the tryout, the first sprint triathlon you did?
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: that was like your first running long distance competition, uh actually the the first running long distance competition I did was a marathon In between that In between.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: So I did a marathon and I was like, all right, it was Palm Beach Marathon, actually the first one I ever ran down here Growing up, when I was a kid, down here they used to have a fundraiser, the uh, March of Dimes marathon walks and uh, I would walk it with my parents.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: We did them the orange ball marathon, March of Dimes walk.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever, I was a little kid.
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  Speaker 2: So first race, a run race I ever did was the Palm beach marathon.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, how old were you at that point?
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe 35, or so 30 nah 33 32, 33.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: You're three years into the, into the long distance.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, getting back into stuff, how did you feel?
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: How long did you train for that marathon, that first marathon?
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: No, I don't a few weeks maybe and just like I'm doing it.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just did the marathon.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: How did your feet and your legs feel after that?
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, mean, I was sore.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I find training for all right Winning is different than just competing or just completing.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: It's tough to win, it's tough to go fast, it's tough to be in the top.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Just completing the race isn't hard Mentally it's tough.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Physically.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: It's not that hard Any race.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I find.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: It's the recovery afterwards.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: That's tough If you're out of shape.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: The recovery, the injury.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: All that stuff comes from doing the races which you shouldn't be doing.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: But as far as finishing the races, not that tough, like an Ironman as an example, I think if you're a swimmer and you can swim the distance, forget it, you don't have to be a swimmer.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: But if you can make it through the swim, completing an Ironman isn't that hard in the time allowed.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Physically, mentally it's tough because you have seven hours of walking, seven hours of sitting on a bicycle and you just got to make the swim, gotcha.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: All right, so I want to get into the Ironman for sure.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that was your first marathon.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: You were 33, three years in, you were getting back into shape and then you were like all right, I need something, I need something else, let's combine this.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Let's do this, let's do an Ironman.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So I need something else.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Let's combine this, let's do this, let's do an Ironman.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: So again, call up my bro.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: How did you hear about the Ironman?
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: There's a relatively local race in Claremont that they do that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: They just stopped doing it called the Great Floridian Great race, highly recommended.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: They don't have the distance anymore, but he still puts on races.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Great race in Claremont, tough course, uphills in Central, tough course up hills in central Florida, our hills, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: So it was hard.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Came out of the water, crushed it, crushed the bike, did a good job on the bike and then did the run.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: And my feet were a mess after the run.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Oh man, did my feet hurt?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So my brother, call up my brother.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Before the race, my partner again hey, stu, what do you think?
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: He said sure, so he.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Before the race, my partner again hey, stu, what do you think he said sure, so he had a bike.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I did not at the time and we did the.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: We both signed up for it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Two weeks before the race, my brother crashes, gets hit by a car, breaks his collarbone and couldn't do the race.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: So I did it and I did okay and it was fun, so I did the race, borrowed a bike to do the race, bought a pair of bike shoes, like three days before the race.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: My feet really hurt.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, get done with the race.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: My now wife came to watch the race.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: She was really good friends with my brother, so she came to watch both of us do the race.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: They went out to dinner after the race and I couldn't walk to the bathroom.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: My feet were such a mess I had to crawl on my knees to go to the bathroom.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, you told me the story yeah, and you and that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: So what was the running distance for that 26.2.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So it was an Ironman just in Clearmont.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Full Ironman in Clearmont Just not.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Not Ironman brand Got it, but full Ironman distance, yeah, race.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And clarify for everybody that's not familiar.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: It's a 2.4 swim, 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike, 112 mile bike, 26.2 run, and then a marathon.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: After that, yep Back to back to back, back to back to back.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: That's insane Because I know, like running a marathon, like running 26.2 miles, I mean that takes, how long would that take?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So if I most people if they go run the marathon anywhere between four and a half and five and a half hours.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Four and a half and five and a half hours yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: After you do 112 mile bike and a 2.4 mile swim yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And those are the slow guys.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: The fast guys are still running 240, 245.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, they're so fast, that's nuts, they're amazing, and that is not me.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So you did the Ironman, so I do the Ironman.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, all right, well, I did an Ironman, I got to do something else.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So I signed up for a 50-mile run race.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Where was that one?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: That is Brooksville.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Rails to trails Needed something.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Next, had already done it, did the 50-mile run race.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: No real training for oh, I didn't know how to train for anything like that, but I did it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, it was about 13 hours, something like that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Wow, took me slow, super slow.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: These guys are so fast, they're like six hours, seven hours, my gosh amazing.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Not me, yeah, but I did it and uh, uh, feet were okay.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Really yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that bad.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, they hurt but not terrible.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Were you training purposefully for that one?
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: After the marathon, you first Ironman?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You did no.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, I would do some six mile runs, seven mile runs, but not really Okay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't know, didn't know what I was doing, but I was young so it was okay, it didn't matter.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: You know, when you're young it doesn't really make a difference.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: You could do anything.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Just do whatever you want.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll recover, it'll be fine.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be fine.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So I did that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: And then I needed something else.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I was like all right, so I've done an Ironman, done a 50 mile bike race.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: What do we got next?
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I read about this race called the triple Ironman.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Back then it was always held in Huntsville, alabama, but this was one of the first years it was moved to out in Virginia.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Okay so, triple Ironman a 7.2 mile swim, 336 bike and 78 run triple marathon at the end.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So do so.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Do you like?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Do you do?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: An iron man, another iron man, another man, it's all in a row.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: No swim, it's all three swim, so it's 7.2.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Complete swim 300.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You hop out of the water, jump on the bike.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: 336 straight bike.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Get off the bike in 78.6, 78.6 miles run after that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, it was awesome.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It was awesome.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: So, what's like you?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I mean in the water, it's like you have to.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You can't take breaks, really, because you have to tread water, but the bike would you be able to get off the bike and take a break?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So it's running clock.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You could sit as long as you want.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: There's a time limit of 60 hours, so you have to finish it within 60 hours, but it's running clock.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So if you want to take a four hour nap and you're fast enough to be able to do that, the guy that won did that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: He was amazing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Name, lived in New York City and all he did was train on a treadmill and a bike.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Because he couldn't at the time couldn't, whatever reason.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: He didn't train outside.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: He went on and he ran Badwater, badwater's 135 mile run race through Death Valley.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: So this guy was amazing, crushed me by hours and hours and hours and hours and hours.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But anyway, so back to your question is yeah, it's running clock.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Uh, you, if you want to sit, you can sit.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: If you don't want to sit, you want to try to do faster time, do faster time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Took me 58 hours and 59 minutes.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: 58 hours and 59 minutes straight.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Wow, I mean I sat for a couple times for like 10 minutes here and there, but it was pretty much straight racing, my gosh, that was-.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Were you like delirious halfway through?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: That was pretty cool too, on the run, for sure.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: There was one time when I was running and I saw a semi truck parked all the way across the road, perpendicular to the road, and I stopped because I thought I was going to walk into this semi truck.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: There was no semi truck that was there, it was all in my head.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: My God, I was like wait a second.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: There's nothing there.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: You're like walking out with your hands up Like yeah, yeah, yeah I saw elephants with balloons in a tree, what I don't know where it came from, but that was my hallucination.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, that was a hard race, that was a tough one.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So I've done other races that are long and I've gone, but the sleep deprivation and the, just the tiredness was tough.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: The swim piece of cake I set the record in the swim for the triple Ironman.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, no problem.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, and, by the way, my brother also.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I called him up and said hey, Stu, let's do the triple Ironman.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: He said absolutely Okay, Signed up and first lap on the bike.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: He crashed and broke his other collarbone.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So he's never been on a bike since, really Not one time.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Two races, two trains, two broken collarbones that's it, oh my gosh.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and how old were you guys at this point for this triple?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: 2001.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: So I'm off on my time for the marathon I was 32.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the marathon and all that stuff happened when I was 31.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: it was only one year, one year after signing up the first timpabay yeah wow, okay, yeah, cool, no, I'm off.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: So you're like right, right away, I'm like more yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, how old were you for the?
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: For this first triple?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I was 31 hadn't turned 32 yet wow, okay, so that was real fast.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quick turnaround.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: All within all, within two years.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Wow so then, and yeah, how did you after that?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine the sleep deprivation my feet were a mess, feet were killing you Always.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It's always my feet is what it is.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was sore everywhere else and I was tired.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: We went to a ward ceremony.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Afterwards I don't remember going.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I have pictures of me there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Like straight afterwards or like tomorrow morning.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: No, I finished the race, go back to the hotel.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, here's a good one too.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So I had monster blisters all over my feet.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Back then, I didn't know what to do about blisters, so I put duct tape over the top of them.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, duct tape.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I read about that once Put duct tape on, you'll be fine.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: So imagine pulling that duct tape off and ripping the skin off all those blisters in the bathtub.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So did that?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Fell asleep after I did that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Wife gets me up.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And I was married still at that time.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: She still married me, though.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Imagine that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And so my father-in-law.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So did she help you pull the duct tape off?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: No, she heard me screaming, though In the bathroom she's like don come in here.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: My father-in-law came to watch the race.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: He wasn't my father-in-law yet and my wife told this story.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Actually, my father-in-law told the story when we got married, at the wedding that my wife-to-be Karen said he's doing great.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: He's doing great, Dad.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: He only has one marathon left to run.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: And he was like, oh my God, who's this nut?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, still married me.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: So anyway, the recovery is pretty tough.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: It was my feet that were rough, but it wasn't that A couple months, not a big deal, and did it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So I do the triple iron man.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: How long did it take you to feel like you could put shoes on and walk normal after that?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: That one wasn't too bad, just a few months A few months.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like slip her shoe on, go to the grocery store.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not too bad, but before that it was like you had to walk pretty ginger.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, put on band-aids and oh yeah, whatever feet are nuts, but yeah, but that wasn't too bad.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So just a couple months, okay.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: So do the triple iron man.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: What am I gonna do now?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Now I gotta do something.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: So I did a deck iron man, signed up for the deck iron man, so you know what the triple ironman is.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: That's three times the distance.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Deck Ironman is 10 times the distance.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: So it was 24 mile swim, 1,120 mile bike and 262 mile run.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: My gosh, and it was all just like the triple Ironman.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It was straight 24 mile swim, straight 1,120 mile bike and straight 262 mile run oh my gosh that seems un, that seems like unreachable.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: It was hard and what is it the same like are you able to?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Is there a time cap same?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: thing.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: It's, uh, 14 days, 13 days.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I want to say something like that is, maybe it's 12 days.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I don't remember something like that Running clock.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Sleep when you can sleep, rest when you can rest, do as little as it of possible and try to win.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: And uh, I did really well.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Actually, I was the top ranked American at the race, my gosh.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Uh, and what year was this your?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Your first Ironman was that, or the triple was 2001.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: This is the next year, probably 2002.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: A year later You're like let's, let's triple this amount.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's triple this triple.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I needed something else, yeah, so, oh my gosh, so I did it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So I did that.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So you have a 13 day, 12 day cap 12, 13 day cap on it and it was basically 21 hours a day of racing.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: You would sleep for like three hours a day for 11 days.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: My gosh, it was tough.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: That race was hard the triple really the sleep deprivation.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And mentally the triple was tougher.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Mentally it was harder.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It was harder to keep going and racing the triple.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Physically, the DECA was much tougher for me.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Again, I didn't know what I was doing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I had no idea about training.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I trained just like I always did I swam.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So I swam and I ran, some biked.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe the longest distance bike ride I had done before this was 50 miles.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Longest distance run was in training.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Longest distance run was in training 13 miles, something like that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I mean I never sleep deprivation.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do about that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It was gone.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: These people had big crews that came.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Some of them had physios there with massage therapists and doctors and bike mechanics.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I went by myself, just showed up, just went.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in fact I had my molars pulled the week before my face was still a swollen mess as I got off the airplane.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, it was pretty funny.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Usually they don't let people to swim for like three weeks.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dentist told me no, but I just did it, it'll be fine.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: It'll be fine.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Infection, it's okay, I'll deal with it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Was it saltwater?
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: No, so the swim was in a pool.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It's a 50 meter long course pool, so it was 24 miles in a pool Just going laps back and forth, laps back and forth, back and forth.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: For me that was no big deal.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: That was your thing.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was 10 hours, so it was not that big a deal.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: So I did the 10 hours, got off, I rode for I want to say 24 hours or so Straight.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I got off a couple of times, got a snack, so you didn't sleep, I did not sleep.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: So it's 34 hours, right, I went the first 30 ish hours without sleep, something like that, wow.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And then you got off your bike and then eventually got off the bike and you nap like on the road, like is it on this, is this?
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So there's the other tough part.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: It was actually a mile loop, so you had to go 1,120 mile loops on the bike, which mentally was horrendous.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: The good thing is you got off the bike.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: You did the same loop on the run, but in the opposite direction, so you got a little excitement.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're going different left instead of right.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, they caught someone cheating in that race.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: It was a mile loop and one guy would cut the course in the center through the woods, and they caught him.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: You believe that Someone would cheat?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Wow, why would they do that?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no prize.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you get?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: A trophy.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to cheat for the trophy Wow, unbelievable.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So now the recovery on the run.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So when I knew I was tired and I needed to sit for a little while is when I would hit 40 minute miles.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Now, slow 40 minute miles are walking.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Think about that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Your slowest walk.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: You're meandering through the mall, looking at shop, at stores or whatever.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're 25 minutes.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: This was 40 minute miles.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was so slow.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I had my shoe, so I wear a size 10 shoe.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I borrowed someone's size 12 shoe.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: My feet were so swollen and cut the sides so that my feet would fit in those shoes.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, wow.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: This is when crocs very first came out.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: So and someone went and bought a pair of crocs and cut the sides so my feet would be fit in the crocs.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's terrible wow, yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So how did you?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: So you felt solid after the swim?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yep, the bike.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: You started going and you felt solid after the bike.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Solid's not the right word, but I was okay, solid up to what point on the bike, because I mean 1100 and 500 miles.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: 600 miles until the bike felt okay.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Last 500 miles were tough on the mentally.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Mentally the last 300 plus miles super hard on the bike.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: In what way Like mentally hard.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Just wanted to be off the bike already.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Your tush hurts, your legs hurt, you're bent over, you're hunched over, and I mean it.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Just it's uncomfortable.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You're tired of the mile loop, you're tired of the monotony.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: It's hot this was in Hawaii, so it was hot.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It was humid during the day.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: You're still going at nighttime, which actually happens to be my favorite time to ride and run, because normally I just like the sound of the wind and no noise, and that's all you are.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: You don't know where you are.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: You kind of feel like you're in a tunnel.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: But it was hard to get through the night.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: You're tired, you're hungry, you're nauseous, just mentally want to be off the bike.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: You just want to be walking at that point.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So that was really hard.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: How long did that bike, that 1100 mile bike take?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say about five days Five, oh my gosh, something like that, which is like take a nap, come, wake up, get back on the bike.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 10 hours of time, take a nap, or 20.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: How, 20.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You do 20 hours of bike ride.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You get off, you have breakfast and breakfast.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: So my wife came the second week and my daughter I think she was one at this point in time, so you know she didn't even recognize me.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: She had more than nothing to do with me.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: My wife and daughter come and this was on Oahu the island.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: So she would pick up a Subway Sub this is my nutrition, okay.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: She would bring me a Subway Sub and I would sit and I would have a bite of this, eat a little bit of the Subway Subway.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: She came the second week of the race and my daughter would be in the stroller and we would walk the mile loop.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: That was there With them, with them.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: It was really cool because you were allowed to have a crew.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: You were there, so you were allowed to.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: That was my crew.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It's like my wife and stroller daughter in the store.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm walking 40 minute miles.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pushing the stroller is no big deal, that 40 minute mile now.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they lasted one loop and they were out of there.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Really, they said we're going back to honolulu and they would go and they drive back and they would leave me all day and that was my subway sandwich is what I ate and uh, yeah, then I would get back.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So I mean I, I can imagine the monotony, your butthurts, your legs are tired, you just want to get off and that took five days.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so 10 hours swim, five days of biking Five days of bike and then five days of run and walk.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Meandering, walk, yeah, I wouldn't call it a run.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: It was a death march.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did you run at?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: all, maybe the first three miles out of 10 miles in the beginning.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: The rest was just a death march.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: It was nonstop stumbling forward, walking.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine it was tough.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Mentally there was no problem once I got off the bike.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: So the walking was okay mentally.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Physically it was hard.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Mentally it was no problem.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: No hallucinations, nothing like that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: It was just physically.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: It was really.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: That was tough and the recovery was tough.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: There that's when my feet were really a mess.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine we're not.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: This is a year, it was a full year before my feet didn't hurt anymore.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So the death march, the 76, what was it?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: 78 mile 262.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I was thinking the triple, hey, don't cut me short.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 262.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I was thinking the triple, hey, don't cut me short.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 262.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: That's right, 10.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: 262 miles, death march, yeah, and that took five days.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were getting up to like mile 261 and you're like I got one left, I ran, you ran it.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I ran into.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Well, not the whole lap, but I definitely ran the last quarter mile into the finish.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, taking photos.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: That's a oh my gosh.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And then what we have?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Did you just collapse like just lay down and just my wife was really angry at me.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: She did not want me to do this race.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: We were married and I had a one-year-old daughter.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and my wife had been dealing with my one-year-old daughter for two weeks in Oahu and where was your son, or two sons?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: They did not come to this race, they had school, so they were with my parents at home and I was gone a long time, like two weeks.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: So I was gone a week before the race two weeks and my wife said we're going to the Four Seasons and here's your daughter.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And so I'm this mess.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: I've been racing for 11 days.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: This is a zombie, zombie.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I could barely walk.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: My feet are a mess.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sunburned, I'm just not good.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: My wife said here's Julia.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take her.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yep, your turn, your turn, and you're like sure, for sure, I got you.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I love you, babes, of course, totally, absolutely, I'm ready to go and my daughter wanted nothing to do with me because she I looked a mess.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, my face is swollen from the sun, um, dehydrated.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I hadn't shaved in three weeks and she didn't know who I was.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And it was pretty funny, my gosh.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So when were you able to like?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I imagine that night you slept pretty good.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: You know, after a race it's interesting After a race like that, even in Ironman, for me it's you're hot and cold at the same time.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: You have chills, but you're just sweating and uncomfortable.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: You're hungry, but you're nauseous, so you want to eat, but just nothing tastes good or feels good.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Everything's just nausea.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: You have a headache, but your body aches and it hurts to sit down.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It hurts to lie down, but your brain is wired.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: You're still running, so you're still completely wired, but you can't sit down and relax, but you have no energy whatsoever to walk anywhere, and so that's what's going on in your head.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: So no, there's no sleep, it's it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: It takes a while, at least for me to get back into it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you, you completely crash for a couple hours because your body just shuts down.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: There's finally.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: There's like your body says, all right, I'm going to relax, I'm done, and you crash, but it's, it's not a peaceful, it's not like a REM sleep, it's not like, oh, it's kind of like a night of drinking.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: You go and you drink all night and you're like you pass out, but it's not a good sleep this times 10.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet, oh my gosh, the question always, I'm sure, and I'm clear to myself why, that's a good question Like, hey, this is what I'm doing, honey, I want you to stay with the daughter.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Kids are going to stay home.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to travel a week early because I'm going to do this Deca Ironman.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It's going to take 12 days, absolute misery.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be sunburned, swollen, like absolutely wrecked feet.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: My body's going to be terribly sore.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: It's a death march.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It's not a race Like at the end, this is what I want to do.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I just need it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It's just a part of me.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I need that challenge and I had already done the shorter stuff.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I needed something else and I don't know.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's who I am, it's who I am.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: So when I trained for that I actually did train a little bit for this it was running on a treadmill in the dark in my room, no TV, no radio, lights off, just running.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: It's.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I need that.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I need that mental, physical challenge, whatever it is.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: When you did finish, was there a point where you were like like pretty satisfied Like man, like I did that high five, I feel good Like about, like this is man is really great accomplishment.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, I mean I was happy with myself.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I feel good Like about, like this is man.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That's really great accomplishment.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean I was happy with myself, I was glad I did it, but I was looking for the next thing almost immediately Went back to swim practice.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: When I got back swimming in the pool, I got interviewed.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: How, when, when did you start swim practice like swimming training again?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Oh a week, two weeks, oh my gosh, something like that, no feet just swimming.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: What kind of what was your physique at that point?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Like I was in good shape.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I wasn't old and fat like I am now.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I was in pretty good shape back then.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So again, recovery wasn't bad, except for my feet.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: So again, recovery wasn't bad, except for my feet.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It took a good six months before I could walk without my feet hurting, and a year before, over a year probably before I could run.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: So you didn't run in between, you just swam, I just swam.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Did you lift weights at all?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like your body core and stuff.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I did Back then.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I would lift weights quite a bit, uh, with a buddy of mine, personal trainer, so I would lift with him and we did all core body type movements.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't say I lifted heavy, but it was swimming lifting yeah, you're lifting for your sport, correct your competition, exactly.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And it was all total body stuff.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: It was, uh I can't think of the word off the top of my head, but all kinds of reaching the stuff that we do in there, that which is great, all mobility things like that, yeah, and uh, actually a lot of the same exercises that you have me doing for the rehab is stuff that we did.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Nice Well that's good.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good setup for it's plyometrics, right.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Some plyos, yeah, stuff like that.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: It was great On the ball with the balance but utilizing all the muscles, that kind of stuff.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be just like balance stability training.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Plyometrics would be like box jumps.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: It was not that Agility training and jumping and stuff.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Uh, jump rope okay, yeah, yeah, but it was a lot.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: That's like, that's a great form of training for running, like when we rehab people back to like running and stuff.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Jump rope was one of the one of the progressions.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it mimics the impact and it's double leg, so it's not single leg impact.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: When you do, you know if you want to do double leg jump rope and it just prepares your, your joints and your feet, ankles, achilles and stuff for the same kind of repetitive motion impact and it's hard, it's hard.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you think, well, if jump rope big deal, no, it's hard, yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: So we did a lot of that stuff.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: And then the recovery is tough.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: But I did an interview with the Miami Sun Sentinel I guess it wasn't Miami Herald, the Sun Sentinel, I guess it wasn't Miami Herald, the Sun Sentinel back then I'm dating myself because they really had newspapers so yeah, with the Sun Sentinel, and they asked me the same question why, what are you doing?
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: What's next?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: So I told them I'm going to do the double, double deca, a double deca.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I did not do it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Life got in the way.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did not do it, life got in the way.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that would have been, I could, and that's the same thing, just straight straight 48 swim, 48 mile swim, 2200.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 2200 bike and 520 run.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: How many who's done that?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: There are a few people that have done.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: They have a race every year.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think it's every two years they do the double deca.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: It's in Mexico.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: My God, and that takes a month.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: It's 30 day cutoff, 30 day cap.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like guys, we've got 30 days, we've got 30 days, go on, I get out.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how people take off for that long, oh my gosh, that's insane.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what their feet look like after that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: On mine it would be a mess.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: How many people do you think in the world have done a deca?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, maybe 100, 200.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: 200 people in the world yeah, maybe 200 people and then a double deca.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I would imagine half of that.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Less Quarter than that world.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe 200 people and then a double deca.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I would imagine half of that, less quarter than that, probably less 20 people in the whole world.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: 20 people, oh my gosh now probably I could go, do it not in an organized event, but yeah wow and so, but you wanted to, yeah, oh, for sure I would still love to do it.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I would do it if I could take 30 days off of work and away from the family now.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: But I can't.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when life gets in the way.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Man, that's crazy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: It's weird, I don't really have a desire to do that.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It's just not like long distance training, for, as of the current walk of life that I'm in right now, my current vision on I'm like I just don't have a desire to do that, my current vision on the I'm like I just don't have a desire to do that I can understand that, which is I was just how, I was just me, but, um, I like the pain, you know I.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: There was a guy I think it was Eric Hyden who wants who.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I read a book.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: He's a speed skater.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, he was in the Olympics, I guess, probably eighties or so, and he would say you have to welcome the pain, Like it's your old buddy.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: That's when you know that you're you've reached that point.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: When you're you're that point in a race you know you're doing.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like, hey, there you are, how you doing, pal, yeah, we meet again.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's that like mellow song, it's like hello darkness, my old friend.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, here we go, hey darkness.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I like that point.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, I don't disagree with you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I get enjoyment out of that too, maybe just a satisfaction afterwards of like the challenge.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean afterwards of like the challenge, you know, because I definitely have some instances of like my personality somewhat similar, as in like, um, I have to, like I just it's I do, I have the metal.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Can I do this?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I gotta challenge myself.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I have to prove to myself that I can do this.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody else is even like saying you know, you don't have to do this.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: No, you're like this is dangerous.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: There's a time like, as an example, I remember a similar mental situation Like the surfing is like one of my favorite things to do, right, so I haven't surfed in like a year and a half, two years because life gets in the way you know.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in the practice, we're having kids and like I'm like I can't just like have a drop of a hat and go surf, um, but anyway, I was, uh, I just finished college and I was about to go to grad school and, uh, there was a huge hurricane that was just came and like a refraction swell was.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Anyway it was, it was huge and it was here in Juneau.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, it was massive, like one of the biggest days this area has ever seen and, um, nobody was out and I was like I gotta go, I have to, I have to go, I gotta paddle out.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And I was like I got to go, I have to, I have to go.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I got to paddle out and I didn't really.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't, I surfed growing up but like never really like officially lessons and like know what to do and you know training and stuff like that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I was mediocre, you know what I mean.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I could stand up and like make it happen, but like I wasn't a pro by any means, but anyway.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: So I was like I have to go, like I can't not take this opportunity, you know.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I paddled out like off of like north of Marcinski, you know, okay, so between Juneau Beach and like the Jupiter Inlet area, sure, and the current was so aggressive going south, so it was like a north swell coming in, so the current was going south.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: It took me forever to paddle out.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: The waves were 15 feet, like it was massive.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome, yeah, for this area.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: That's big, yeah, and it's aggressive.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: And I paddled out and I was by myself, there's nobody else out there and I made it out because I was like in shape and I could put myself in the situation.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I made it out the paddle and, uh, it was a hard paddle and I was so deep that, um, I just floated past the pier by, like I was probably a hundred yards beyond the other there's like the wake buoys, and beyond the Juno, like a bound piers.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I was past the buoy, those buoys, those wake buoys, wow, and I just floated past the pier.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: There are people fishing out there.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: These, these and these freaking massive waves are coming in and I was more of like if I get caught inside, like we're in the waves, if I don't make it out, if a rogue set comes in, uh, like I'm, I'm effed, like I need to make sure I'm deep enough.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: So if set would come and I'd paddle out and make sure I'm not get caught, I was more worried about just not dying than like actually catching a wave.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: And when, when I was floating past the pier and I've already drifted a mile at this point, sure, you know, cause I'm like up by the inlet almost, and I drifted all the way.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I mean a couple of miles, I'm just drifting, you know, mass.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like how am I going to get in now?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm drifting past and there, god, like you're a human, Like and I was floating, I remember even before I saw this guy, there was all these bait fish jumping around me.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I'm and I'm by my and I'm really deep and I'm like I pulled my feet up and my hands up and I'm just like drifting at this point and I'm like please don't have a's.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Like good day, mate, you know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: And I'm like this is every day for him.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like good, no, mike, I can't.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Like this is insane.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Nobody else was out, you know.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: And then he, uh, I paddled, I drifted past him.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I think he caught a wave.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I tried to catch some waves.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't not even catching any and I just paddled in, um, beyond past loggerhead beach.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I drifted multiple, like so a couple miles, a handful of miles.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And anyway, looking back, I'm like why did I do that?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Like it was just a matter of me being like I have to try.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I have the metal to make this happen.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, the challenge, you know, I did it, but I didn't even catch any waves, it's all right, you got out there and the wind was really hard offshore too.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So the times that I did catch, when I was trying to paddle for some the spray was in my face, I couldn't even see and I was like I bailed.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And I was like I can't even see.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I would look down this drop in, and I have like a 15 foot drop and I'm like I can't even see.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I bailed, you know I was.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh shoot, now I'm too deep and I had to paddle back out again.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I started to get caught inside and it was just that, over and over and over again, with bait fish jumping around me and some things were nipping my foot and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to die.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: That was crazy.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: But you lived, but I lived, I made it.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: But anyway, that's a somewhat similar story of like just got to challenge myself, just got to do it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: So what's next then?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Right now, so I've been doing some long running races.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Lake to Ocean.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is a really cool one, which I tried two years ago and I didn't make the time cut off on it.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: So again, I am fat, old and slow so I could make the distances.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I have a hard time making the run cutoff times that are there.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: So this was a hundred K.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: It's a little shorter but it's from Lake Okeechobee to Hobe Sound beach and that one.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: The next one's the NMA.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: If my feet are okay and I'm with you trying to fix those feet so that I could do it, that's a.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: It's a really cool race.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: So it's all through the, the, the parks that are along the way Dupuy park, corbett park, uh, through JD a little bit.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: So it's through the Everglades.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: So you're wading through water that's up to your knees.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of points that's up to your hip that you're going through and then you run on.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: It's all trails.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: So you're through the trails, through the mangroves, through the cypress, through the pine trees in the middle, and the route takes you meandering all the way from Lake Okeechobee to Hobson Beach.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, full raves, really, really fun.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, what about alligators?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're out there.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And pythons?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see, python I never saw.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, that would be pretty cool.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen the python.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Lots of alligators.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: You always see the alligators out there, deer Hogs.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I've seen bobcat out there.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: So I mean, what do you do with alligators?
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: They don't bother you.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: You just wave to them hey.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding, you just keep going.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I've never had one like across the path, blocking the path.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: That would be a little scary, but you see them when you're out running there.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: They have a neat one that's called the Just Survive 125.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: So you think the one way is tough Just survive 125.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: It's actually both ways Down and back.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you start in Hope Sound, you run to Lake Okeechobee and you come back.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So that's, that is January 2nd or 3rd, something like that.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I'm signed up for that one.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: You signed up, oh yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's insane.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I have a.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: How long does that take that?
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: is.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I think it's a 24 hour.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: I don't remember something like that.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Wow 28 hour no sleep, maybe a little longer than 28 hours, yeah, no sleep.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: In fact, there's no aid.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to crew there, oh my goodness.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And no aid stations.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: So you have, you're allowed to put out in five designated spots.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: You could put out your own little setup of what you want.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: So you have like a call it a Home Depot bucket Like, and you could put that out there and you have a gallon of water in there and you have some snags.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: So no backpack.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: You can carry whatever you want, but it's hard to make the time.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And then, as you get to that designated spot, you refill your water.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Those are the only spots you're allowed to put something at and you're not allowed to have any aid from anybody else.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: There's no aid stations.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: You know, like in a marathon or a 5K race, whatever, to have the guys that hand you cups of water.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in that.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's all in that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's all on your own.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: So that's a pretty cool race, my gosh.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: That's in January.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: In October I have the Moab 240.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: It's actually November.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Set up, it's 240 miles through Moab Desert.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: It's up the mountains, down the mountains, all over Running or bike Running, my gosh.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: So you better heal my feet because I got a lot of stuff to do, man yeah seriously, no pressure.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah Well, I'm going to do everything I can.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Well, you're amazing.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: So so far so good, well, I appreciate that.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: No, well, I'm going to do everything I can to get your feet right so we can keep you going on these crazy, crazy runs.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Well, let's land the plane.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: If people want to get into this, where do they start?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So Ultra Sign Up is a website online.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: They have all the ultra distance running races.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: It is a fantastic community, everybody's great.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you it's.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: One of the big draws to ultra distance running for me is the community Supportive community, everybody's fantastic.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I've never had anybody not be nice and I imagine I mean, in order to get into that and do those things, there has to be a massive amount of humility.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're failing constantly.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, the challenge is just to finish, so it is, and everybody is great.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: The challenge is just to finish, so it is, and everybody is great.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Of course, everybody has advice Not all of it always good, but everybody has advice and it's always from a good place, well-intentioned, I'm sure.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so Ultra Sign Up.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: It's a great local community that's out here.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Just go out to Corbett Park and you'll see people running Anywhere JD, jonathan Dickinson, anywhere that's around, uh, and it's great Cool.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy it.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I can appreciate that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you coming in.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy guy, business owner, family guy.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I appreciate you coming out and sharing more of your story, hopefully encouraging people to to do some of these things and take some more challenge in their own life, you know, yeah.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: But thanks again and if y'all have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: We're always open to comments, questions concerns suggestions, and if you have any pain or like that, you can always reach out.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: We can at least chat on the phone and see what you have going on, if we can help you, and we'll catch y'all next time.