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The Bad News & the Good News for Each Type with Jessica Betz Enneagram 6 · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

0:00
SPEAKER_01: One of my favorite things about the coaching experience is the aha moment that a client experiences during certain sessions.
0:10
SPEAKER_01: And of course, there's many aha moments between the sessions that I don't get to witness.
0:15
SPEAKER_01: But when we dive in after someone is determined or confident of their dominant type, once we dive into the wholehearted sessions, it's so fun to see the light bulb moments go off.
0:29
SPEAKER_01: And when I mean dive in, I mean dive in because with the wholehearted coaching sessions, right after we are confident of the type, well, we dive into this topic about the ideal self.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: Now, this is a term that not everyone is familiar with.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: And it's okay if you're uncertain about what I mean.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, most of my clients, when they hear ideal self, they have actually put that terminology in a category of that is what they're supposed to be.
0:59
SPEAKER_01: Especially even as a Christian, they should be going after the ideal self.
1:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, I want to spend a minute here unpacking that term with you just to set the stage of the conversation that you're going to hear.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: So technically, ideals represent a perfect or idealized version of reality that may not be attainable.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: And based on that definition, oftentimes it's ideals that lead us to disappointment, failure, or even feelings of self-hatred when we fall short of a specific ideal.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, ideals can also create a sense of comparison with others.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: And then we might feel envious, anger, or even unworthiness.
1:46
SPEAKER_01: And eventually we can be stuck in a cycle of striving for the ideal or perfection, and we end up never feeling good enough, and we experience stress and burnout.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: And additionally, rigid ideals can also prevent you from being flexible and adapting to changing circumstances, which of course leads to further stress because I don't know about you, but things are constantly in flux and changing.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: And when that stress is going on, well, often you get frustrated with yourself and others for creating all this extra feeling of angst.
2:21
SPEAKER_01: As I take the clients through the whole-hearted journey, I invite them to evaluate the ideals that they have for themselves, specifically in light of the Word of God and God's thoughts of you and for you.
2:35
SPEAKER_01: Of course, this is a topic that I am touching on that we could spend the entire time talking about, and we kind of are essentially, but I wanted to at least give a high view of the ideal self and just challenge maybe your definition around that terminology, especially as again that you step into this conversation.
2:56
SPEAKER_01: But I wanted to share this special session that I had with Jessica Betts, who's an Enneogram enthusiast and a campus pastor.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: She's been on the summit the last couple of years and also a podcast guest, and she is just, oh, she's amazing.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: She's fiery.
3:13
SPEAKER_01: She is deep.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: She is rich, and she loves the word of God.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: And she really has a grasp on this topic.
3:20
SPEAKER_01: In this conversation, we we take the angle of exploring the bad news for each type, and then we pair it with the good news and ultimately the invitation for you for each Enneagram type.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: So there's so much about this conversation to tee up and share and tell you what I loved about it, but because it is deep and it is wide, I'm just going to invite you to step on in and learn with me as we listen to Jessica's encouraging word today.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: Oh Jessica, I'm so excited to get to chat and record with you again.
4:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm excited to be back.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, when I got the email, I was like, oh wow, I wasn't expecting to be invited back.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: So are you trying to?
4:14
SPEAKER_01: Of course.
4:15
SPEAKER_01: I know I said this ahead of time before we pushed record, but Jessica made me cry last year.
4:19
SPEAKER_01: So if you didn't watch it, but it was the best kind of tears.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: It was a beautiful conversation.
4:27
SPEAKER_01: I truly, I know you and I have gotten the privilege to chat a little bit throughout this last year, and you're still doing work at the campus and the campus ministry, and it's the beginning of another school year.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: We're so excited for all of that entails.
4:42
SPEAKER_01: And so I imagine a lot of our friends watching today, they know who you are.
4:48
SPEAKER_01: Maybe they know just a little bit about you because your Instagram isn't really about you, it's about everyone else.
4:55
SPEAKER_00: That's my heart and my goal, even on my personal Instagram page, not the Enneagram one.
5:01
SPEAKER_00: When I scroll through it, I was telling a friend recently, I was like, I just want this to be a celebration of people.
5:07
SPEAKER_00: And so I that's my framework when it comes to Enneagram content or just posting and life in general.
5:14
SPEAKER_00: Can it be a celebration of people and my loved ones?
5:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad that's picked up a little bit.
5:19
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
5:20
SPEAKER_01: That 100% shines through.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: That's why I like asking this next question.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: And last year we went straight for it like what's your type, what's your wing, Enneagram discovery?
5:32
SPEAKER_01: And some people who are new this year were expanding on the question a little bit.
5:36
SPEAKER_01: But those who get to join us again, I wanted people to be able to share in their own terms and their words as they want to describe their life or how they view the world as their type, without necessarily saying, I'm a 10 wing five, which does not exist for the record.
5:53
SPEAKER_01: Branding new things today.
5:55
SPEAKER_01: New information at this summit.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: Groundbreaking discovery.
5:59
SPEAKER_01: 10 wing fives.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: The circle expanded.
6:03
SPEAKER_01: Yep, yep.
6:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, I love it.
6:08
SPEAKER_00: I think if I could think of how when we talk about legacy and how I would want the world to remember me and how that affects how I live today, I think I would want to be known as someone who deeply loved Jesus and was fiercely loyal to the people that she loved and celebrated people well.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: Think that can nail an Enneagram number down a little bit.
6:28
SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, every everything that I do, I think through, man, like, am I a disciple of Jesus who's making disciples of Jesus?
6:38
SPEAKER_00: If I am, I'm leaving with a job well done.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: That's all I want in life.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: And so I don't know how to make it more complex than that, or if that's too simple, but that that's how I want to be remembered and that's how I want to live life.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: So that's a little bit of who I am.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: And Jessica, that is the legacy you're leaving.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: And thankfully you have many more years here on the planet to continue to sew that into the world.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: But absolutely true.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: I can just speak from very minimal experience and interaction with you.
7:07
SPEAKER_01: That that is what you're doing.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: So well, I'm glad that in your desire to do this, that the summit gets to play a role.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: My hope and dream is to take the summit all over, like maybe even the world, because that's what I would love to do.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: So I think eventually we've got to establish little breakout sites where I travel, maybe bring a couple of people and maybe a bunch of Texans and get together and have a little Enneagram summit there.
7:35
SPEAKER_01: And then maybe we go to the Northeast and the Northwest and then New Zealand.
7:39
SPEAKER_01: And then I even have some people in Hong Kong.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: So we're just gonna go wherever.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:45
SPEAKER_00: Take the good news worldwide.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: Use the Energia as a tool to do it.
7:48
SPEAKER_01: Yep, I agree.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: I agree.
7:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh man, it'll be so fun.
7:52
SPEAKER_01: Well, today I would love for you to share the big picture.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: What's the overall message that you want to share?
7:58
SPEAKER_01: And you get the privilege again to come share on the first day, if you will, where we really focus on topics as we want to grow our faith wholeheartedly, where we have wholehearted faith, where we're all in.
8:11
SPEAKER_01: And a wholehearted is maybe overused, underexplained, but intentional.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: It's about intentionally building that intimacy with the Lord, receiving love, and then offering ourselves back to Him.
8:26
SPEAKER_01: So anyway, before I get going here on a sermon, why don't you?
8:32
SPEAKER_00: My whole session is just what a win for me.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: You're awesome.
8:39
SPEAKER_00: So when I was talking with you, I guess that was a month ago now.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: Would it have been maybe like in May?
8:47
SPEAKER_00: We were just talking about how time has been both simultaneously slow and super quick this summer.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: So there's just an example of that.
8:55
SPEAKER_00: But when we were talking, like I said, I wasn't anticipating being invited back or anything.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: So it was just a like, okay, if I do this again, like what would be a good topic?
9:05
SPEAKER_00: And but before we even got into that, we were just talking about how campus ministry was going for me and just updating each other on life.
9:12
SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that that we shared about was I, as a campus missionary, I go to partnership meetings where I raise support for a living.
9:22
SPEAKER_00: And in these meetings, what I was seeing over and over with really good intentions too for ministry partners was this question of, man, how is campus ministry going?
9:33
SPEAKER_00: It must be tough out there with all the bad news surrounding us.
9:38
SPEAKER_00: And I think there's a little bit of truth in that, like we have been inundated in the past two years with just some bad news, all the disses, there's disease, there's disunity, there's dysfunction, there's distrust, there's all of these bad things going on.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: And yet, what I've learned in campus ministry that I think applies to life in general, is that a lot of times it's the bad news that really breaks the ground for good news to be received.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a bit of a biblical concept too, because it's not the healed who need healing, it's the sick, and it's not the full that need that are hungry and that that need a taste of the living water.
10:20
SPEAKER_00: It's the people that are thirsty and depleted.
10:23
SPEAKER_00: And so maybe it's because I recently unlocked my strength finders and realized I had a positivity pretty high, or maybe it's because I'm living in the promise of God that the harvest is still plentiful.
10:37
SPEAKER_00: But what I've come to realize is God is faithful to who he is, he's faithful to his children and he's faithful to his promise.
10:44
SPEAKER_00: And so, where there's a lot of space for bad news, what we see is the glory of God shine through all the brighter.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: And so, when we were talking about that, one of the things that you had brought up that I thought was just an amazing concept is when we look at the Enneagram and we look at this idea of, I know I'm guilty of it.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, I began to see, and what you had brought up is maybe we should not look at these ideas of us as unhealthy, but maybe we look at them as invitations to see how God is wanting to shine through in our lives and how is he inviting us to really learn this piece of who he is that he longs to share with us.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: And so that's a topic for today the the idea of what is the good news and what we see as bad news.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: And I'll give a little bit of a spoiler alert at the front end because we'll go into it, but this can all be summed up in like 12 words, and it's the bad news is I'm not.
11:41
SPEAKER_00: The good news is God is, but we'll look at what that means for each type as we go through.
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SPEAKER_01: I love this, and this is usually what I try to establish, even in our uh in my first session with my clients, and that is identifying how we have idolized this way that we think we're supposed to grow.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: If I also could summon the nutshell of like stop trying to grow this ideal you and instead become the actual you, that if we realize that God is not asking us to become something that he hasn't invited us to be, then we can go, oh, I'm guilty of these things.
12:23
SPEAKER_01: Let's just acknowledge it and work on it.
12:27
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: And I think all of life is the understanding that the cross is a completed work.
12:34
SPEAKER_00: So God's part is a completed work.
12:37
SPEAKER_00: There's no coming back from that.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: But sanctification in itself is an ongoing process that will last until the other side of eternity.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: And so we live in the idea and the understanding that our place is solidified as children of God.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean that we won't experience these real moments of having to learn to depend on him because we live in a fallen world and we are sinful.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: And so it's it's this idea of like, how do I reframe my idea of what health is and unhealth is out of the dependence on my own doing and more so on how am I learning to understand who God is and what he's doing and how he's moving and how he's working.
13:21
SPEAKER_01: Yes, because the key there is of my own volition.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: It denotes the striving that is involved when we're going after that ideal self instead of acknowledging our actual self, our real self.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: And I love seeing even the look of relief on my clients' face when we have this conversation and we dive into their belief systems that they've built or those idols they've built.
13:46
SPEAKER_01: And suddenly when I go, well, what if this wasn't what you were supposed to become or grow or work on?
13:53
SPEAKER_01: And said, what if this?
13:55
SPEAKER_01: And even just to give a real personal example, because people might be going, okay, what is that?
14:01
SPEAKER_01: And you're going to go into each each type here, but a client was talking about how the tug of war to fit in a certain gene size or be at a certain number post the third baby.
14:13
SPEAKER_01: And for those who are moms, uh, that it can be a real struggle.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: And her struggle too is do I spend time in the word or do I go for a run?
14:23
SPEAKER_01: And what was really beautiful is we dismantled her thought process or even her decision to go after that.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: Running was not bad.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: In fact, taking care of her body is an absolute necessity.
14:36
SPEAKER_01: And that was soul care for herself.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: But because there was a measurement, a matric in her mind that she had to attain that was an ideal self of what she thought she should be.
14:47
SPEAKER_01: She was sacrificing what her soul really needed in that, even if it was 10, 15, 20 minutes in that morning routine that was going to better serve her to trade that running time for getting in the word of God and having some worship.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: And then as she made those adjustments in her schedule, she was able to do both.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: Just a little tidbit of how that becomes practical to us when we're willing to identify it.
15:13
SPEAKER_01: Because it can seem abstract, but I'm talking nitty-gritty, like time in the word or running.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: And for everyone, that's going to look different, but that's why.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: It's why the Enneagram, because then it can be so unique and understood.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: Am I talking to a three or am I talking to a nine?
15:31
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
15:32
SPEAKER_01: And the answer might be different.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
15:35
SPEAKER_00: It's true.
15:36
SPEAKER_00: Like you said, it's the perfect summation.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: Like this is an amazing tool to get at to the work of what God's already doing in our heart.
15:45
SPEAKER_00: So this isn't the end all be all.
15:47
SPEAKER_00: It'll help point us to really good God who's at work.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: And so I love it.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: And I think as we we go through each task, my prayer is for each number that as you're hearing this good news and bad news, that something really does spark in your own soul of like, here's the connection I was missing.
16:04
SPEAKER_00: Here, I don't have to rely on myself for this.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: Here's my invitation to experience the goodness of God in the way that brings this rest to my soul again.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: And so we're on the same page here, Amy.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
16:16
SPEAKER_00: I love that this is what we're doing.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, uh where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom, and I pray this is freedom for someone here today.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: Amen.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, I'm gonna follow true to what we did last year.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: And we started with the sixes in honor of your loyal, steady, loving.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: The sixes, oh yay.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: I am so excited.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: If you see me looking down, Annie, true to my six nature.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: I once again have the iPad with everything written.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to miss anything.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: So I have it written here, and my thought process was, oh man, what if my iPad goes out?
16:57
SPEAKER_00: So they let me write it down too.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: And then I had to stop myself from printing it because I was like, this is so ridiculous.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: You were definitely what ifing in that moment and maybe over planning or preparing.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: A little bit, you know, but we scaled it back, and just so you know, if you see a floating pencil right here or something, you know that that is what this is, and so that's your let's jump right in, let's go straight to the Enneagram sixes.
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SPEAKER_00: And so the way that I want to break this down and we'll talk and process through together, obviously, too, is I want to start with the bad news, show what the good news is in that, and then show what the invitation that we're offered in that good news is, and so for Enneagram Sixes, I'm laughing that we're starting here because the wording for this is actually really funny now.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: The bad news is there is bad news.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: What a fitting way to start this.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: The bad news is there is bad news.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: We live in a world that is scary where tragic things happen on a daily basis that feel so out of our control.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: I can feel like such bad news.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: But the good news in the bad news is there is nothing beyond God's control.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: He is sovereign, he is holy, he is good, and he goes before you.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: So, in moments that feel like bad news, look to Jesus and we'll see the good news.
18:24
SPEAKER_00: And so from there, what is our invitation then?
18:26
SPEAKER_00: What do we do when bad news feels overwhelming, but we know who God is?
18:31
SPEAKER_00: What is the invitation that lies for us in this moment?
18:34
SPEAKER_00: The invitation that we have for Enneagram Six is to experience God's protection.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: I think one of the things that is so comforting to me as an Enneagram 6, but I think to a lot of Enneagram Sixes out there too, is that God lays out the game plan for how life is gonna go in his word.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: And I love that he doesn't shy away from the fact that there will be hard things that happen.
19:00
SPEAKER_00: Because I think I've been in college ministry long enough that I think sometimes we get into this idea of, oh, I have come to know Jesus, everything's gonna be great now.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: I went to the best conference, I went to this best summit, that I now know the secret to success.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: And then what ends up happening is like two days later, something rocks you, and you're like, wait, where did that come from?
19:22
SPEAKER_00: But then you look at the word of God and God says, Hey, in this world, there will be trouble.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: Like it's right there.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: And I love that because it takes away this idea that I am the problem in what's happening.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: It takes away this idea that I am the sole responsibility for bearing this weight of calming my own fears or my own nerves, because in this world there will be trouble.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: We've lived in 2020, 2021, 2022 long enough to know hey, God was right about that.
19:51
SPEAKER_00: And so if he's right about there being trouble, then there's promise in the next part of that says, then take heart, for I have overcome the world.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: We see it over and over again in the Bible and in life, where there is a moment of trouble that is met by a moment of us seeing how God has overcome the situation in which we have lived or we have experienced.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: And from there, I think for my own heart, but once again for any gram sixes out there, the promise that sticks closest to my heart is 1 Peter 5, 7.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: And it says, cast your worries onto God and see how he cares for you.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: And so this idea that the fact that we worry isn't the thing that blocks us from knowing God, but it's an invitation to see that he cares for us.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: So we can throw far the weight of our anxiety, we can throw far the weight of our worry, we can throw far these hardships, and in return, we are invited to.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: It's a see, that's a promise, see how God cares for you.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: So any gram six is out there.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: If you're like me, bad news.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: There's bad news.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: Good news that God is overcoming and he is protecting you.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Girl Franken, preach.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: I got nothing to add.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: It's so good.
21:11
SPEAKER_01: Yay.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: All right, let's get to the heart for any gram sevens.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: Let's go.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: We have a seven here, so let's we'll see if that's bad news.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: Sevens, you will not be able to shield yourself from moments of deep pain or sorrow.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: The good news is God is close to the brokenhearted and he saves the crushed in spirit.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: So, what's your invitation then?
21:43
SPEAKER_00: Enneagram sevens, your invitation is to experience God's peace and comfort in the midst of hardship.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: There's something about hardship.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Once again, we just talked about that like post two day conference.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: What is happening?
21:57
SPEAKER_00: I think there's something if we're really Honest with ourselves about hardship and crisis that kind of shakes everything that we've believed and really shakes who we are.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: And I remember this would have been 2016.
22:13
SPEAKER_00: There were three years of my life that just felt like hardship after hardship.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: Loved ones that were dear to me were passing away.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: I had three people pass away in a span of a week.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: I could not understand why God had called me into where He had called me to.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: My partnership team, my fundraising team was like seriously suffering.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: And I just remember feeling like this weight of like, God, I am being crushed right now.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: But when I look back, what I begin to see is that in those three years, I learned about a God who comforted in a way that was closer than a friend.
22:54
SPEAKER_00: And I learned about God's character and his heart towards those who can offer nothing in return.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Because it was like a year after a year went by where I was like, I don't know why you love me, God.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: I have nothing on the table to offer you right now.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: And it did not matter.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: Like God was so gracious in those moments of deep pain and deep sorrow to do like real heart restoration work that had I not experienced those years of hardship, there was something about God that I would have missed out on.
23:24
SPEAKER_00: And he was too gracious to let me do that.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: He's too gracious to keep me blind to my own dependency on myself.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: So I went through these seasons.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: He's not a God of suffering, but he's a God that draws close in suffering.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: And when I think about this concept, what I really think about is David in Psalm 63, who's in the middle of the promise and the actual fulfillment.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: And he finds himself in the wilderness running from King Saul.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: And he cries out to God and he says, My bones are weary, I'm thirsting.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: These are physical things, but these are also spiritual things that he's saying.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: He says his body longs for God, and it feels like he's in a dry and weary land.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: And this is going to be the English major nerd in me a little bit, but here we go.
24:10
SPEAKER_00: If you look at this is all present tense, the soul is weary, my body is longing, I am in a dry and weary land.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: And then there's a tone shift that happens like this.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: And he says, But when I look back, when I look back to the sanctuary, I remember your promises.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: And then we see a tone shift once again.
24:31
SPEAKER_00: There's another tense shift.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: And so what we have is we go from present to past.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: And then he says, But my lips will praise you.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: These hands will rejoice again.
24:42
SPEAKER_00: And what we have seen now is when David looked back at the character of God in a time that was hard, in a time that he was being pressed, he remembered his faithfulness, and it didn't matter about the circumstance anymore, because even though it was overwhelming and it didn't change, he was still in the wilderness.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: David knew something about the heart of God that allowed him to raise his hands and praise again.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: And Enneagram Sevens, where David looked back to the sanctuary, we look back to the cross.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's right.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: We have the cross to look back to.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: And so what we see is this God is unchanging.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: The God that David learned about in the wilderness is the same God that will bring you through deep moments of pain.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: And he won't abandon you in the pain, but he'll take you through it.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: He holds your hand through it, and he says, Well, it's meant to break you.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: I will use for my good.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: And that is the God you serve, any Graham Sevens.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: That's the God who walks alongside you.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: So your invitation is to experience the peace and the comfort that comes in what can feel like crushing sometimes.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: I'm receiving that word.
25:47
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and amen.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: It has been, there's been so much crushing, but Psalm 23, we are a sheep.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: He is our shepherd, he carries us.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: So beautifully said, truly.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: People, oh, this is just so good.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: The goodness here, come on.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: We can share good news because we have a good God.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: So we love him, and I love my seven.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Keep pushing through and see how God's goodness is really working in your life.
26:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: So on to our eights, then yes, eights.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: Bad news with a smile on my face, because I know good news is coming, but the bad news is you will experience betrayal.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: That is bad news.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: But the good news is that our God never leaves us or forsakes us, he is our strong tower, our refuge, and he's the God who wipes away every tear.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: He's near, he sees the tears, and he personally wipes away every tear.
26:48
SPEAKER_00: So your invitation, Enne Graham Eights, is to experience God's nearness.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Like we were sharing earlier, I'm in back to school mode now.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: This is our first day after this.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm going straight onto Texas State's campus and I'm coming with good news.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: So I'm really excited.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: She's aunt.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: When I meet with students, I'll meet with them and we begin to share about life and discipleship and obviously the gospel message.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: And the story that comes up or the parable that comes up most often in these conversations is the parable of the prodigal son.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: And it's such a theologically rich text in its own.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: And I know that there's lessons to be learned from both sons.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: But when I look at the parable of the prodigal son, the thing that always strikes me most is the father.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Because what we see is the father who is really betrayed by his son.
27:42
SPEAKER_00: There's a worth to his life according to his son, and his son has decided that the cost is greater.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: And so he goes.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: It would be a shame on the father's part.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: He takes the inheritance and he leaves.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: And yet, when we get back into the story, we see he doesn't go as it's planned.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: And he, the son, he does what am I like ones, threes, sixes.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: You could probably relate to this a little bit where you begin to practice that speech of like, all right, I know I'm messed up, but we're gonna fix this.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: It's okay, it's okay.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Even the pigs eat better than I do, even just to be a servant again.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Like he he begins to rehearse the speech, but what our Bible shows us is that the father's place when his son leaves is still watching the field.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: He's still waiting, he's still anticipating and hoping that one day his son realizes that there is a connection and there will be a restoration between them.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: And the Bible says that the father actually gets up and he runs to his son before any words can be spoken, before the son could even get out the lines, which once again, if I'm you're like, why did I practice this?
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Even before anything could be rehearsed, the father was already hoping and anticipating that the son would come back into his presence.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: And if you know anything about the Jewish culture, then one of the things that you learn is it would have actually been a shame, it would have been despised on for the father to run, because the master is not supposed to be someone who runs into the field.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: He's supposed to be someone that other people come to.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: And so what we begin to see then is a father who despises shame in order to be reconciled back into his son.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: And this is the God that we serve AIDS.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: We serve a God who on the cross, the Bible says that Jesus despised shame and he went to the cross on our behalf so that we would be reconciled to him as he sits on the right hand of the Father.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: There is no break in relationship as a child of God that could happen that would separate the love of God from you.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: You will be forever reconciled to our wonderful Savior.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: Your invitation is to experience the nearness of a God who will never leave you or forsake you because he is watching, waiting, and longing to be close to you.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Man, this is gold.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: So much gold.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: Unbelievable, Jessica.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: You're on a roll, you're bringing it.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have a strong feeling that people are going to play their segment a few times just to hear.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: The good news about all of this is it's the Bible.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: Go to the Bible, read it.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: This word of God is living, it's true, it's sharper than any two-edged sword.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: It will cut through the lines of the lies that the enemy tries to speak over you in any bad news, and the good news will always prevail because the gospel is the good news, and nothing can thwart it.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: So that's any type.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: That's not just the eights, but right.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: And it's clear why you do campus ministry.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: It is a gifting you are, yeah, like it's true.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: This shines forth.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: How how blessed those students are to have you.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: So anyway, just I know we got to keep going here, but sorry, so I'm sorry, I'll it's good.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: Let me get to my nines, yes.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the nines, Enneagram Nines, the bad news is life is filled with conflicts, both internal and external.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: No way around it.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: But the good news is peace isn't something you were meant to create, it is the very presence of our God, and He himself will be your peace.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: So your invitation, Enneagram Nines, is to experience God's peace.
31:26
SPEAKER_00: I was in a small group one time with the women staff at our church, and we were sitting at a table, and the person who is leading this small group asked us to go around the table and share what fruit of the spirit we felt like we were lacking or like we wanted to grow in.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: I remember like we're sitting around that table.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure I probably went with like patience or joy or things that I really need to grow in.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: And then what we didn't realize though is that we were being set up because we all went around the room and we shared the fruit of the spirit that we felt like we needed more of or to grow in.
32:02
SPEAKER_00: And at the end of it, she tells us if you feel like you're lacking a fruit of the spirit, maybe just maybe, this is your invitation to experience more of the spirit.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: So maybe it's not just about the fruit, but maybe if you feel like there's a lack of the fruit, it's because you're not in the presence of the tree itself.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: And so that was something like I remember sitting here at that table and thinking, like, well, one, you duped me.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, I didn't know that was one of the answers.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: But honestly, there was something so freeing about that.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: Like it was the first time that had clicked in my soul.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: Because I think when we think about personality diagnostics, when we think about spiritual gifts or fruit of the spirit, so often what we try to do is think through the lens of it's like an inventory of like, this is what I have, this is what I don't have, this is what I need, this is what I want, this is what I need to grow in, and all these things.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: But the reality is when it comes to the fruit of the spirit, you don't lack because we don't serve a God of lack.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: He gives freely, he gives and he loves to give freely.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: And so when you feel like you're lacking in something, the answer is not I need a taste of this fruit, it's I need time with the spirit.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: That is the promise to Enneagram Nines.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: You don't have to manufacture or create this false sense of peace that can feel like it's shattered or it can feel like there's a tension and this balance that I have to uphold in order to feel this sense of peace.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: No, your answer is to sit in the presence of the spirit, who he himself is your peace.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: And you can sit there and you don't conjure, conjure it up, you don't achieve it.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: It's just the presence of our good God who longs to commune with you.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: He longs for your presence.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: That's the good news.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: If you feel like you're in conflict or you're lacking, the God who is peace not only can give you peace, he wants to be in your presence, he longs to commune with you, and so you're always invited, and you can always taste and see of his goodness, and he himself will be your peace.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: Beautifully said.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, no, no more striving after that fruit.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: Allow the spirit to work in you.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's any of the fruits, y'all.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: But for any gram nine specifically, that peace and the tension of living with it.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: That one's for you.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a good story.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: That's clearly stuck with you.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: So they had to have been at least five years ago, too.
34:34
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah, that was a good one.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: Good point.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: True.
34:38
SPEAKER_00: Our students have heard that one many times, too.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: So now we're going to ones.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: We'll work nines to ones.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: The bad news ones is perfection is unachievable.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: Mistakes will be made.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: The good news is you are loved by a perfect God who took your sins on the cross and offers you his holiness in exchange.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: And so your invitation, any gram ones, is to receive God's righteousness and trust that the cross is a complete and finished work, meaning that there is no blemish or imperfection that can change God's mind about you.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: I love how Psalm 103.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: It says, The Lord is merciful and gracious.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: He's slow to anger and he is abounding in steadfast love.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: His love covers a multitude of sins, and you are invited to receive his righteousness.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes when we have this idea of God, we think of the abounding part maybe at the anger or maybe at the judgment.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: And God is fully everything.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: There's no lack in him.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: And so he is these things, but where the emphasis on towards you as his child is slow to anger, merciful, full of steadfast love.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: He pours his steadfast love out onto you to receive it's this invitation of when mistakes are made or when you feel like you're falling short, there's no change in God's mind about you.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: He is still inviting you to experience his righteousness as your own.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's beautiful.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you might be wrong, you might be incorrect, you may not feel good enough.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: And the Lord says, that's okay.
36:30
SPEAKER_01: I don't expect you to be.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: I don't expect you to be any of those things.
36:35
SPEAKER_00: Praise God.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: That our right standing with God is dependent on what He's done and not the best I could bring to the table.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Love how you said that.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: Where my twos at.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: We're coming onto the twos now.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: T's this so twos and fours, and Amy, I'm I'm excited to hear your perspective on these because it'll get a little bit more into it in the invitations.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: But these were the two I actually had almost the hardest time coming up with in terms of bad news for two very different reasons, too.
37:09
SPEAKER_00: But with twos, what I ended up settling on is the bad news is you will experience rejection.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: And the good news in that though is God's love has no lack, it is constant, it is steady, and as his child, he will never reject you.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: And so, what is your invitation, any gram twos?
37:29
SPEAKER_00: Your invitation is to receive God's love.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: It is a deep well that never runs dry.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: And this is good news because it shifts.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: We don't have to look for affirmation in any other person or any other thing.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: We first receive and know that we are loved by our good Father, and from that we can now pour out and love correctly and receive love in a correct manner that that doesn't just bring unity between us, but really pleases God in the community and in the church that He is forming.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: Lamentations 3, 22 to 23 says, the steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies never come to an end.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: They are new every morning.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: And it ends with what is one of my favorite lines Great is thy faithfulness.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: I love that depiction of God.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: He is faithful to us.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: He through the cross enters a covenant with you that he has no intention of breaking.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: And we know that because when we look to Genesis, we see the account of Abraham and how God knew that no man would be able to uphold his end of the covenant on his own.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: And so God puts Abraham to sleep and he becomes the covenant unto himself.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: Cursed is me if I break this covenant.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: Why?
38:47
SPEAKER_00: Because God knows that there is no covenant that he will break, because he is faithful, he is just, he is true, he is loving, he is merciful, he's wise, he's all the things that sometimes we feel like we're not.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: He is.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: And so he knew where we might fail, he never will fail.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: So he makes this covenant unto himself because he knew that Abraham couldn't.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: And that's what God does for us.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: He knows that we won't be able to uphold our own end of loving him well, honestly, and our best efforts without him, apart from him, we will not love him well.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: We will not receive his love well.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: And so what he does is he sends us Jesus through the cross.
39:24
SPEAKER_00: He becomes our covenant, he becomes our promise, so that now all we do is receive the love of God, and we can now overflow that.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: So, teos, take this as your invitation to experience the fullness of God's love towards you.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, may you believe that you are wanted and you don't have to manipulate his love to get it.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: So good.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I think you you stated all of that beautifully.
39:55
SPEAKER_00: Yay.
39:56
SPEAKER_00: For any gram to it was a hard one because a lot of times it's so easy to just go straight to the to, oh, you just need more love.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: But there's always that question of, well, what is it that I want to experience or that I'm looking for or a longing for when we talk about love?
40:10
SPEAKER_00: That could look like a whole lot of different things.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: And so really settling on this idea of rejection, I felt like really got to the heart of receiving God's love the best for the language we can put to it.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I always find whatever's new series I'm doing that in the end turns out to be impactful.
40:30
SPEAKER_01: I usually have one or two types that I have to dig a little deeper.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: Everything I offer, I want it to be transformative in the end if people take in the information.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: But there is always those where I'm like, we gotta say this a little differently, or I think there's more, right?
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: It's that like layer idea of like, yes, because one of the most dangerous things, once again, you you can do when you use a any sort of diagnostic tool is just lump everything into one language and assume everything.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: There's layers to who we are as humans.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: Why?
41:03
SPEAKER_00: Because God is a creative creator, He makes nuance and layers, and the God that creates this magnificent galaxy took that same intentional time towards the creation of you.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: And so there's layers here, there's things that you pick apart, and you discover each layer is really just another way that we can help uh experience God.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: So it's all right, it's beautiful signs.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: And I can't wait to hear the people where this resonates in a new way for them, where they just hear this good news and uh uh exactly how they needed to hear it.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: So awesome.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: All right, any gram threes.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: The bad news is that people will not always appreciate what you bring to the table or see your worth.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: The good news is you don't have to earn your seat at God's table, He invites you freely and always, and you can bring your weariness to him.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that is good.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: So your invitation, then, Enneagram 3s, is to experience God's rest.
42:12
SPEAKER_00: We are flawed humans living in a flawed world.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: We were never created to be on or on point 24-7.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: The good news is in that there is no performance that could change God's mind about you.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: And so this is good news because being talented, working hard, trying your best at whatever you do, there's nothing sinful about that.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing bad about that.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: Those are all really good things, but I think it's an invitation to change our idea of service, especially service unto God or into our standing.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm gonna give a little bit of a weird analogy, but I promise it has a point.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: And so when I think about Enneagram 3s, what I think about is the difference between auditioning for like a Broadway or a movie or whatever it is, where there's this idea of I'm performing my very best so that maybe I can be chosen, or I'm performing my very best because I have to beat out everybody else in order to get the attention of or receive this role.
43:22
SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes we think of performance like that.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: When I think about how God sees us though, I don't think it's like a Broadway movie blockbuster TV role type audition.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: One of my favorite things to do is to go to my friends' kids or even my niece and nephew's like soccer games or dance recitals.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: These things are a hot mess.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, even at the best intentions, like I have been to get where the ball has not gone anywhere near the goal, where it's like you always have three of the five kids in a lineup like crying and no forecast.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Are being hit, and yet it does not matter if any of these kids get anywhere close to the goal.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: I am insanely proud to sit there and cheer them on because I love them.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: It is a joy.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: I've spent many of my Saturdays in life cheering on these kids, and it's so funny because at the end of the day, you're still gonna get the juice box.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what I'm saying?
44:24
SPEAKER_00: We're still we're gonna form that tunnel for you to walk through, and we're gonna get in the car and it's gonna be wow, good job! You showed up, you showed up, you had fun, and I think if we look at who God is, we begin to see the love I have for my friends and my niece and my nephew and my family will never compare to the love that God has for us.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: And so if I can feel even just this little sense of like, oh man, I'm so excited.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: I'll sit in the front row and will they score?
44:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: I'll cheer if they do, I'll cheer if they don't.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm there because I love them.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: I love them with all my heart, and so I can cheer them on.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: And that is God's heart towards us.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: He's the parent who cheers you on.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Whether you're performing really well, maybe you do score that goal.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you score five, maybe you score six.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: Well done.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: Keep practicing, keep getting better, keep showing up.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: But even if you don't, even if the ball doesn't touch the net, maybe you're on the bench.
45:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you didn't feel like you hit the four count.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you were the kid who was crying because the music started and it got a little overwhelming because you never practiced in front of people before.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it matters not.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: God is proud to sit in the front row and cheer you on and just delight in you.
45:48
SPEAKER_00: He invites you to experience his rest because it's no longer about striving, it's about worship.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: Everything you do becomes an act of worship when you know that you are invited to the table, whether you feel the best or you don't.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: Don't think that was a weird analogy of fact.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm raising a three, working with a couple of threes, that idea where it feels like life is this audition for Hollywood or Broadway, and not only an audition for the but that they have to be the best.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: And if they're not the best, then they're this failure.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: And the Lord is saying just opposite, like you said, I'm just gonna delight and you just see and you try it out.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: Great word picture for sure.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: All right, any grand fours.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: This is the other one that I was saying.
46:41
SPEAKER_00: The bad news, it took a while to reach this wording, and I think it won't really be clarified until we get to the invitation.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: But the bad news is you will be misunderstood.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, I would agree.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: Well, then I'm glad.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad to hear that.
46:58
SPEAKER_00: Because the good news, any grand fours, is you are fearfully and wonderfully made by a gracious father who knows every single part of you and calls you his delight.
47:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: And so, what is your invitation then?
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Your invitation is to experience God's delight in you by watering your grass.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: And so, yes, this is great.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
47:21
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm allergic to grass.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't really spend time watering it, but what are we trying to do?
47:25
SPEAKER_00: Ours is brown because we need green, so it's a drought.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: But what does that mean in this context?
47:30
SPEAKER_00: I think we all know the saying, and we all have experienced a moment in our life where we feel like the grass is greener on the other side, it's greener in the other pasture, it's greener in my neighbor's lawn, it's greener anywhere that's not here.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: But what we learn as we go on in life is the grass is greener where you water it.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: Where's the grass green?
47:52
SPEAKER_00: The grass is green where you water, and we see over and over again in the Bible that comparison will kill your calling if you let it.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm journaling, I'll pull it right here.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: Last month I started journaling my way through every chapter of the Bible.
48:08
SPEAKER_01: It's a little bit of a slow process, but I thought it's a long process.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: Let me testify to that.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: Right now, I'm in 2 Samuel, and it has been uh what a whirlwind.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: I think when you when when I've read the Bible multiple times, but the act of really slowing down and having to like process through things that I could used to just read and be like, oh, that's tough.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: Let's move on.
48:34
SPEAKER_00: But right, but no, I'm processing through it, and what I'm seeing over and over again is the Israelites giving their hearts and turning to these fleeting desires that they have, to the point where there's so many times in the wilderness where they're like, just take us back to Egypt, it was better over there.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: But we have hindsight where we just flip back to Exodus and you're like, Oh, you had it hard there.
48:58
SPEAKER_00: And so we we see this idea of like this fleeting desire, and then where I find myself in the text right now is with Saul, who is called by God.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: The people desired a king, and he's called by God, but his heart hardens when he begins to hear this song.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: Saul has killed his thousands, David his ten thousands.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: When you look at it, what's crazy is that hasn't really even happened yet.
49:28
SPEAKER_00: It's all just this real comparison trap that Saul, because he already believes that there's something about David that's not him, he allows this thing to fester in him that brings him to a point that's past letting God mold his heart or work on his heart.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: He runs into rebellion, he runs into pride, he runs into all these things because he began to believe this lie that we so often can believe ourselves that no one will truly understand who we are, or maybe just maybe we are past this point of redemption.
50:03
SPEAKER_00: Because that's what comparison does.
50:05
SPEAKER_00: It teaches you to believe the lie that God is withholding something from you that He's going to freely give to someone else.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: But when we let the word water our soul, when we let the word begin to water the grass that God has faithfully planted and called us to, what we begin to see, like we said, is we are fearfully and wonderfully made.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: We begin to see that God delights in us, we begin to see the promises that God speaks to us, that there is no point in us that is past the cross, there is no point in us that turns him away from us, but that he delights in you.
50:43
SPEAKER_00: And so your invitation, Enneagram force, is to kill this idea of comparison or kill this idea that God is withholding anything from you and really begin to believe the truth that he is delighted in you and he longs to be with you.
51:04
SPEAKER_01: Jessica, you'll be thrilled to hear that Pastor Tyler Zach, who also is speaking today, he used King Saul and King David.
51:15
SPEAKER_01: Yes, for the Enneagram Four.
51:18
SPEAKER_01: So something remarkable about that.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: And then the one other piece that I thought was so amazing, I love your analogy about green grass and all of that.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: As a four, we'll potentially look at everyone else and think they know something I don't know about creating green grass.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: That I must be missing something to have green grass, or I am not equipped for, or fill in the blank, right?
51:44
SPEAKER_01: And in the good news, you are speaking the truth of you're not missing a thing, you have exactly what you need.
51:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
51:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love it.
51:55
SPEAKER_01: That is so good.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: You have exactly what you need, and it's freely given.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: Both those things are medicine to the soul, I think.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, here we are.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: We're at the Enneagram Five.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: We made it.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: This is a full-on Sunday sermon, people.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: Here you go.
52:15
SPEAKER_01: So good, so good to meditate on all of this.
52:17
SPEAKER_00: We made it to the end.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: And once again, Enneagram Fives, last but not least.
52:22
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: So, whatever you want to hear here, we're here for you now.
52:27
SPEAKER_00: So, Enneagram fives, the bad news is you will experience lack.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: The good news is we just talked about it a little bit, but it's gonna come in at a different angle here.
52:39
SPEAKER_00: Our God withholds no good thing from his children.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so your invitation is to experience God's provision in moments where you feel depleted, exhausted, or overwhelmed.
52:54
SPEAKER_00: Because the most gracious thing that God could do for us is create a dependence on him because there is no lack in him, instead of creating us in a way that would teach us to depend on ourselves.
53:07
SPEAKER_00: And so when we find ourselves in moments where we feel like we're lacking, or moments where we feel like we're being extended maybe a little too far, the good news is that is God's call back to you to remind you that in him there is rest, in him there is peace, in him there's no lack, none of that's in you on your own because you are not God.
53:28
SPEAKER_00: That is good news.
53:29
SPEAKER_00: Good news is you are not God, you don't have God's schedule, you are not God, and yet He who is God calls you his child.
53:37
SPEAKER_00: And if God, who is faithful to complete the biggest need you will ever have in salvation through the cross, if he didn't withhold that from you, why would we believe the lie that there was anything past that that God would be willingly withholding from us?
53:55
SPEAKER_00: So, what is it that you need?
53:57
SPEAKER_00: Is it a resource?
53:59
SPEAKER_00: Is it the energy to carry on?
54:02
SPEAKER_00: Is it something that feels so totally overwhelming to you?
54:07
SPEAKER_00: If so, praise God because this is his invitation to you to partner into what he is doing, how he is moving, and for you to see how he loves and provides for you.
54:23
unknown: Jessica.
54:25
SPEAKER_01: This is just this is unbelievable.
54:28
SPEAKER_01: I want to just celebrate clearly the intention that you have poured into this.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: This is an incredible resource, and I know that everyone who takes this in will agree with me.
54:40
SPEAKER_01: Deep richness of wisdom, a well of wisdom.
54:44
SPEAKER_01: And I just thank you.
54:47
SPEAKER_01: I thank you for giving us that gift.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: This was a huge sacrifice, and yeah, but it's gonna bless so many.
54:53
SPEAKER_01: And I believe that the seed that you're sowing here will be multiplied a hundredfold.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: So just incredible.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: I think there's something in in my own heart and in my own soul where even if it's been not the easiest past couple months, just personally and things going on, but there's something about preparing for something like this that I am forced to sit in front of the promises of God and look at every aspect.
55:21
SPEAKER_00: And there's no way I could walk away from reading his word and spending time in preparation without saying, Great is thy faithfulness.
55:30
SPEAKER_00: God, thank you.
55:31
SPEAKER_00: And so, this this session has been an opportunity for me personally to allow the Lord to begin to weed out these real lies and real real doubts that I've had to wrestle with over the past couple months.
55:45
SPEAKER_00: And it's really been watered to my own soul.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: And so thank you for having me back and thank you for inviting me to experience God's goodness and his truth and in his word and in preparing for something like this.
55:57
SPEAKER_00: I really appreciated it.
55:59
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: And one of these days, you and I are gonna do a C.S.
56:05
SPEAKER_01: Lewis Chronicle Sonarnia, maybe podcast or something, maybe next year's summit, maybe an in-person thing.
56:12
SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
56:13
SPEAKER_00: It's been a whirlwind, like I said, the days have felt long and short at the same time.
56:17
SPEAKER_00: And so it's been a whirlwind.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: But when the schedule cleans up a little bit, I'd be more than happy and super excited to do it.
56:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that would be awesome.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, I know those who have been touched by this will want to take that next step.
56:33
SPEAKER_01: We'll want to keep the conversation going, if you will, or maybe even so, into this amazing work that you're doing in the labs.
56:41
SPEAKER_01: Like you're in the throes of campus life and doing ministry and listening and being there when hard things happen, when the bad news comes.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: And so there's a lot of ways that friends here can support you and sew into you.
56:59
SPEAKER_01: But what are some ways where we can keep the conversation going and hear more and learn more?
57:04
SPEAKER_00: So the easiest way to reach me is on my Enneagram page.
57:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh, that is my real really only Enneagram resource that I have, but I answered messages.
57:16
SPEAKER_00: So even from last year, some different people who had messaged me after the summit session, and I got to walk through the gospel with someone, and I got to have conversations with fellow sixes who were like, but it feels so hard right now, and really encourage and come alongside them and say, Yeah, it is, but we're gonna trust God together and we're gonna believe God together.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: And so the easiest way to reach out to me, or if you do want to know more information about what my passion, my heart, my calling, whatever you want to call it with campus ministry is shoot me a message on my Ennegram page, and I try my hardest to respond as quick as possible.
58:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, you do a great job.
58:02
SPEAKER_01: And I too, Jessica.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: The message I got again and again afterwards is just how people were touched spirit, mind, body, and marriage, in leadership, in their faith.
58:14
SPEAKER_01: Couldn't be more thrilled because that is our purpose and our passion here.
58:17
SPEAKER_01: And so thank you.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for bringing all of that, all of you.
58:22
SPEAKER_01: And I'm so excited for your school year to begin and hear all the good news from your experiences.
58:29
SPEAKER_01: The harvest is still plentiful.
58:30
SPEAKER_01: For three years, we're making disciples.
58:33
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Jessica.
58:34
SPEAKER_01: You are loved, so grateful for you.
58:37
SPEAKER_00: Yay, thank you so much, Amy.
58:42
SPEAKER_01: Wow, wasn't that so powerful?
58:45
SPEAKER_01: Jessica can preach.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: And preach, she did.
58:48
SPEAKER_01: She really had that fiery message for you, for me, and maybe even your friends.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: I do hope that you take a moment to reflect on the good news for you today, your personality type, and maybe even send this episode to one friend who needs this powerful encouragement.
59:04
SPEAKER_01: And if you aren't already enjoying the goodness of Jessica's Enneagram account, it's at me Enneagram.
59:10
SPEAKER_01: I'll link that in the show notes so you can be encouraged as you scroll.
59:14
SPEAKER_01: Alright, until next time, friend, continue to pursue God's perspective, purpose, and plans for your simply wholehearted life.