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Hello Kitty Murder · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Hello there.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to Wicked and.
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  Speaker 1: Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast contains grabbing content and material intended more
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  Speaker 1: mature audience. Listener discretion is advise nail the nailed at
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  Speaker 1: this time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for the first time in a few weeks flawless.
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  Speaker 1: Also my little uh not obi Wan Canobi in there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you even caught onto that.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't actually hello there.
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars people know Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: People know Hey, I've watched some Star Wars. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you know that one.
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  Speaker 2: I think I do.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe obi Wan Kenobi says hello.
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  Speaker 2: There, Hello there.
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  Speaker 1: He's known for that.
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  Speaker 2: I thought you were just saying hello there to everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I was as olbi Wan Kenobi, but
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't impersonating obi Wan Kenobi. It was just a
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  Speaker 1: nod to obi Wan Kenobe. You know, you.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everyone, you know not. Everyone might not like Star.
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  Speaker 1: Wars, but they do like true crime and I like Alkamahole.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say beer, but yeah, same thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually drinking a smearing off ice. I'm really changing
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  Speaker 2: it up. It's not local, it's not wine, like what
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  Speaker 2: the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we kind of need the booze this week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Cheers first of all, and cheers to you guys out
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  Speaker 1: there listening chures welcome. This has been one roller coaster
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  Speaker 1: of a week. First off, we hit one thousand followers
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Whoa, So thank you to everyone out.
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  Speaker 2: There for that inst sweet bollus on there. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: just like post more and more.
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  Speaker 1: I think, oh, definitely, we're getting memes and there's always
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  Speaker 1: not always there's usually a hint for the upcoming episode,
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  Speaker 1: which I seriously thought I had people fooled on this one.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe.
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  Speaker 2: But you fail as guest, one day you will we
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  Speaker 2: will win one day.
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  Speaker 1: One day. That's literally are at least my mission? Is
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  Speaker 1: it for you too?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well it's my mission.
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  Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent more of your mission. And I
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  Speaker 2: bet you it won't be my mission, but I'll win probably.
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  Speaker 1: But the more people don't tune in, the harder it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, because some people are like like I
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  Speaker 2: thought I was a True Crime fan before, but like
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I was some comparatively.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like there's I don't think I would have guessed
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  Speaker 1: any of our hints. Well maybe one or two. Well,
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  Speaker 1: like like it has.
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  Speaker 2: A good work.
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  Speaker 1: And then we hit another milestone this week you want
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  Speaker 1: to dish it.
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  Speaker 2: We hit a hundred thousand plays on the podcast Lock
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  Speaker 2: and Wild.
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  Speaker 1: You guys have listened to us now officially over one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like one hundred and thirty.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're at one hundred and thirteen thousand plays.
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  Speaker 2: Now, which is just crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you guys have listened to us.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny when I tell people this, I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I guess people like us. I don't really know why
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  Speaker 2: what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as far as everyone's told us, it's
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  Speaker 1: like you guys are sitting down chatting with friends, which
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  Speaker 1: we love.
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  Speaker 2: That love. That's actually the vibe that if I would
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  Speaker 2: pick a vibe, that'd be the vibell.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely the vibe.
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  Speaker 2: The vibe we are. We have the vibe down.
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  Speaker 1: We have the vibe down. And then lastly, we have
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  Speaker 1: some news that rolled in today.
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  Speaker 2: This is like personal news, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we sold our house officially, it's sold.
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  Speaker 2: It's freakin' sold. And that was a roller coaster of
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  Speaker 2: a motherfucker ride.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it was. Yeah, well that was anything in everything
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  Speaker 1: that could have made that even more stressful, made that
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  Speaker 1: just that much more stressful, and it happened. It was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I literally after it was finally announced that
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  Speaker 2: it was official, both of us were just like this
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  Speaker 2: major weight our shoulders just sayank a little bit. It
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  Speaker 2: was really nice feeling.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I feel like I just grew like two inches
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  Speaker 1: taller and like lost like thirty pounds off my shoulders
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  Speaker 1: in that stress.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because even if it's not like on your mind
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  Speaker 2: at that particular time, it's on your mind still, like
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  Speaker 2: it's just back there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we are moving into our tiny home this September.
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  Speaker 1: September twentieth is our official. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We have to be out of here in three weeks.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are going to be seeing a lot
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  Speaker 1: of tiny home stuff coming up on our Instagram, probably
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  Speaker 1: at least in the stories.
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  Speaker 2: Which is sweet.
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  Speaker 1: And you are going to be hearing tiny home podcasts
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  Speaker 1: pretty soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder how it's gonna sound in there.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, right, we'll make it sound good. Oh, we do
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  Speaker 1: have another thing tomorrow. You are officially Oh yeah, haste
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  Speaker 1: full time photographer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as of four thirty, I do not have a
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  Speaker 2: corporate day job anymore, full.
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  Speaker 1: Time photography, and who knows, maybe you'll be doing like
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  Speaker 1: some full time podcast and soon too.
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's like wild, I don't know what's going
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  Speaker 2: to what I'm going to do. I think I bet
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  Speaker 2: you would be another just like weight lifted off, probably
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  Speaker 2: because that place I don't know work. I got slapped
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  Speaker 2: in the face this year and really was shown that
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  Speaker 2: you're kind of just a number. You know, you work
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  Speaker 2: your ass off for other people, but you are replaceable,
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  Speaker 2: so to some, not to all companies. Some companies are better,
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  Speaker 2: but especially like corporate you know, I really think even
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  Speaker 2: more so you're probably just a number.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely feel you there. You and I are both,
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  Speaker 1: or at least we're both in that situation. As of tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: you no longer are, but we are slowly moving towards
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  Speaker 1: that direction of our life goal doing podcast, photography, videography
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  Speaker 1: and living the tiny home life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be like doing our own ventures, and you'll
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  Speaker 2: be behind me very You'll be there soon, very soon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we of course have all you guys helping
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  Speaker 1: us on that path. So thank you very much everything
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  Speaker 1: along thing this journey so far.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny when you first said that why we're drinking,
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna be like, yeah, because this case is fucked.
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  Speaker 2: You told me is why I need alcohol. This case
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  Speaker 2: is not because of these other things.
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  Speaker 1: So to warn everyone out there, if you recall, if
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: you did listen to forty four Days of Hell, Junco Fortura,
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  Speaker 1: I think because how you actually say your name. I
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  Speaker 1: believe I was pronouncing your name. Okay, okay, I think
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  Speaker 1: I had the R in the wrong spot of her name.
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  Speaker 1: It's Fortura, I think. But it's very reminiscent of that episode,
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  Speaker 1: which is the worst episode we've done so far.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it shook me.
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  Speaker 1: This one's not quite as bad, but it's almost.
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  Speaker 2: As bad because the amount that I still think about
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  Speaker 2: that episode like just blows my mind. It was this
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  Speaker 2: the worst story I think I've ever heard. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: so everyone on the on instagrams, oh my gosh, I'm
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  Speaker 2: so excited, and here I'm just like, shit, how can
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  Speaker 2: I get out of this? But no, it is like
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  Speaker 2: at least it's entertaining, but it's just like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: just brutal. But I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, buckle up your seatbelts, because we are moving into
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  Speaker 1: the case that is known as the Hello Kitty Murder.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, if that's not a creepy name, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did see that on Instagram because yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: kind of followed the comments, but I do actually read
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  Speaker 2: the comments. Yeah, and I was like that, and that's
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  Speaker 2: literally what went through my mind. That's a fucked up name.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna learn why it's a fucked up name, because
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  Speaker 1: this is a fucked up case.
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  Speaker 2: Really really, okay, I do know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, surprise, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna I should have got a second smear en off.
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  Speaker 2: But that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: We can pause this.
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  Speaker 2: We can pause it for a beverage break.
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  Speaker 1: Get a whole ass bottle of wine in each hand. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go into this. So in May of nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: a young fourteen year old girl made her way to
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  Speaker 1: the Hong Kong police station. This takes place in Hong Kong. Clearly,
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't catch on to that, now you know, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I know, okay, So slowly she opened the door and
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  Speaker 1: reluctantly walked in. She spoke with the officers at the
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  Speaker 1: front desk in a terrified voice, and she revealed that
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  Speaker 1: for the past several weeks she had been constantly plagued
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  Speaker 1: by the ghost of a woman who had been bound
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  Speaker 1: by electrical wire, beaten, and tortured to death. Her lifeless
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  Speaker 1: body would follow her into her dreams, where she would
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  Speaker 1: see her headless and a voice would scream at her,
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  Speaker 1: saying to give her head back.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a lot to take care.
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  Speaker 2: That is a lot, because ever says like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 2: she's only fourteen, but okay, but well, just I hold
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  Speaker 2: on that. I know, I know, yeah I jumped there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But police were clearly this is a lot taken Like,
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  Speaker 1: police are like, what the fuck right, They're stunned. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't really too sure what to think of this
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  Speaker 1: for the most part. They kind of just brushed her off,
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  Speaker 1: really kind of dismissing it as nothing more than like
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  Speaker 1: nightmares or just having a nightmare, or potentially even just
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  Speaker 1: a kid pulling a prank. They quickly looked her up
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  Speaker 1: in the system at the front desk, and she had
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  Speaker 1: known to have some like run away and run in
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  Speaker 1: with the police and.
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  Speaker 2: That sort of stuff, so dang it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they're like, okay, maybe she's just like pulling
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  Speaker 1: a prank or just you know, you got to go home.
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  Speaker 1: Like what can the police do about your nightmares? Like, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: little girl, like maybe talk to your mom and dad
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  Speaker 1: or maybe I don't know, try not watching scary movies
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  Speaker 1: before beds sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to True crime afore.
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  Speaker 1: Bed Yeah that too.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people actually listened to that
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  Speaker 2: to like fall asleep, and I probably thinks hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: I usually listen on my ride to work.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when I.
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  Speaker 1: Quit my day job, I'm gonna have to find a
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  Speaker 1: spot to listen to my true crime.
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  Speaker 2: I usually listen on road trips. I get caught up
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  Speaker 2: by I haven't really been doing any road trips, so
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little behind.
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  Speaker 1: You'll find time. Yeah, there's always time. Yeah, true crime
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  Speaker 1: there is, oh T shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Idea, there's always time. But crime. There you go, and
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  Speaker 2: your nasty, nasty, nasty. That's my favorite.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good one. So the police attitude, however, did
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  Speaker 1: quickly change when the girl explained that the ghost was
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  Speaker 1: of a woman that she had the hand in of murdering.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that would change.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the officers are like, wait, you helped kill
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  Speaker 1: this woman.
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  Speaker 2: Excuse.
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  Speaker 1: So officers were led back to the girls apartment and
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  Speaker 1: the city's run down Kowloon district. I really hope I
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  Speaker 1: pronounce that right. And there they walked up through the
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  Speaker 1: apartment number thirty one on Granville.
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  Speaker 2: Road, and so the little girls leading them her apartment.
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  Speaker 1: They're taking, well, it's not her apartment, but where she lives. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: to the apartment she claims that murder. Murder happened. So
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: it was a five bedroom apartment, and when officers arrived,
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  Speaker 1: they were greeted with an overwhelming smell of rot and decaying.
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  Speaker 2: Gross.
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  Speaker 1: The girl's dreams may not have been dreams. They may
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  Speaker 1: more likely have been very real nightmares.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gross.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that's kind of our little introduction.
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  Speaker 2: That's quite the intro.
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  Speaker 1: So this case is actually a little fact for you here,
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  Speaker 1: little factoids. This case has been labeled as the fourth
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  Speaker 1: most infamous case in Hong Kong as per Poles in
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  Speaker 1: early two thousands, but many actually argue that it's since
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  Speaker 1: risen to number one.
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  Speaker 2: Really interesting, and there's.
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  Speaker 1: Also been two film adaptations in two thousand and one
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  Speaker 1: of this gruesome case.
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  Speaker 2: Which and that's what you posted.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of the hints. It was one of
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  Speaker 1: the film posters on Instagram. The two films are titled
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  Speaker 1: Human Pork Chop and There's a Secret in My Soup.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: You raised your hand like you had a question.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you don't have to announce that. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, are those like I'm curious, I forgot to ask,
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  Speaker 2: are those like popular movies or what? Are not really
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  Speaker 2: like I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Sure they were, like they were more popular at the
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  Speaker 1: time in Hong Kong. I don't think they've had well,
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  Speaker 1: they might have translated copies. I don't know. Okay, I've
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  Speaker 1: never watched them. I kinda I almost want to now,
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  Speaker 1: but now also knowing that they're adapted from a real murder,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I don't.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: Know if like I do like those true stories, but normally,
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  Speaker 2: like for sports inspirational.
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  Speaker 1: Movies, yeah, yeah, you get that Sandra Bullock in there
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  Speaker 1: with the football one hundred percent, but like this one
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  Speaker 1: is like, I don't know, I don't think like a
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  Speaker 1: horror movie should be adapted from a true true crime.
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  Speaker 1: I understand like entertainment value in wanting to see horror movies.
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  Speaker 1: I love that but it's I don't know, it almost
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  Speaker 1: seems like it's crossing that line for much maybe for
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  Speaker 1: the victim, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not I.
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  Speaker 1: Want to watch these movies, but I'm a little bit
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  Speaker 1: conflicted at the same time. So anyways, this is the
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  Speaker 1: story of Fan Man Yee. She was born in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy six. She had a rough childhood. Her life began
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  Speaker 1: as she was abandoned as a child by her parents
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  Speaker 1: and she was forced to be raised in an all
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  Speaker 1: girls' school in Hong Kong. Oh god, they're good.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm already not good. You're just like holding your
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  Speaker 2: my heart. It just like she had a ship life
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  Speaker 2: right from the get go. Oh but I mean, would
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  Speaker 2: it be better if she didn't?
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  Speaker 1: But still would it be better if she didn't?
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  Speaker 2: Well no, it might mean like would this story be
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  Speaker 2: easier to swallow if she had a good childhood? I
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  Speaker 2: dobably not think. So, Okay, I'm already there, Okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: do it. Let's do it. We're doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. She grew up into her teen years, and she
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  Speaker 1: began to develop a drug addiction and to help support
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  Speaker 1: her addictions, just like many others did, into becoming a
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  Speaker 1: sex worker and pay for the habits that she developed.
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  Speaker 2: As a teenager. Sucks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, things did eventually turn around for fan Men Ye. However,
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  Speaker 1: by the time she was twenty three years old, she
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  Speaker 1: ended up landing herself a nice, steady job and was
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  Speaker 1: working as a hostess at a nightclub in Hong Kong.
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  Speaker 2: Right on.
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  Speaker 1: No, like hostess isn't necessarily like a glamor like a glamorous,
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  Speaker 1: super high paying job. But it was a job, and
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  Speaker 1: it was a good job for her, and it was
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  Speaker 1: a way to escape the life that she grew up
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  Speaker 1: in and she learned to hate.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's trying to make like a better life
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  Speaker 1: for herself. She's trying to get out of that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. She was, however, still living paycheck to paycheck,
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  Speaker 1: aren't we all? Yeah, one hundred percent, Like so many
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  Speaker 1: people can understand the pressure that it brings, a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Of people live that way.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, well, struggle to pay bills, like any
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  Speaker 1: sort of savings, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I got a burp. This beer is like foamy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: good xy, No, I'm not good, Okay, now I'm good. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: my bad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh welcome to wickeding Man.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that's pretty well sums it up right there. So,
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  Speaker 1: she unfortunately was still a sex worker on the side
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  Speaker 1: to earn necessary money that she needed to subsidize her paycheck.
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  Speaker 1: And although she despised using drugs anymore, she was still using.
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  Speaker 1: She had an addiction, right Okay, it was hard for
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  Speaker 1: her to turn away, and a lot of people who
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: struggle with addiction can attest to the same sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So with an addiction, with whatever extra money she did
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  Speaker 1: end up accumulating with intentions of saving, she would tend
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  Speaker 1: to spend it on her addiction, right dang. In nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety six, Fan, I'm going to not refer to as
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  Speaker 1: fan Man yet just Fan. From here on out, her
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  Speaker 1: life began to look up a little bit. She got
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  Speaker 1: married and she had given birth to a baby boy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Right on.
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  Speaker 1: Her family kept her going and it gave her a
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  Speaker 1: reason to try and aim for a better life, even
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  Speaker 1: though both her and her husband were using drugs. Yes. So,
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  Speaker 1: then in nineteen ninety seven, she met thirty four year
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  Speaker 1: old She met a thirty four year old there you go,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: my bad man by the name of chan Man Luck.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: While working at the nightclub and the two hit it off,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and as it turns out, Chan happened to be a
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: pimp who sold drugs.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, but she's also still married.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: She's still married, yes, and.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Meeting someone else that she's hitting it off with.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Well, she didn't like originally, just hit it off with
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: them in like a sexual way. It was more so
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: likely became friends at first, Okay, but him being a pimp.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, things turn a little bit here.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I lost my place.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm very intrigued here. I'm allowed to ask questions.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: You are you are? I'm not giving you shit. I'm
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: just trying to stall while I find my.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Spot on the point knows you asked me a million
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: questions during a case, and you have no patience whatsoever
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: to find out the outcome.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I get really excited and curious you do. Oh, I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: lost my spot entirely, like page even.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I was trying to stall.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: More for you, I know, but then I was talking
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: to you. But here we are. I found it.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: We're good, okay, awesome, Okay.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: So it was the beginning of a very convenient friendship,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Like I said, friendship for the both of them. Fan
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: had joined Manlocke's group of girls. So I should refer
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: him as Chan. I wrote there his last name him.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So Chan this group of girls he would set out
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: on jobs. So she did what she was told, not
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: necessarily told or demanded, but she was like, yeah, sure,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I'll join in, right, she set out to work. She
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: looked at his benefit for her to earn new clients.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It was an opportunity to get out there and use
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that market that he was in to bring in more
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: money for herself and of course have a drug dealer
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: basically on speed dial on the side.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this doesn't sound like it's going to be the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: best for her.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Definitely not. And it did get to the point too
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: where Chan would actually pay Fan for sex as well.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Oh really yes, So.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: They didn't have an intimate relationship per se, but they
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: did exchange money for sex the two of them.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And like her when she was with her husband previously
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to meeting Chan, was she being a sex worker too?
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, she's been a sex worker pretty well this
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: whole time since her teens.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so even while she was married there with the kid.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, it's not clear to me as far as
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: whether the husband knows she was a sex worker.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's what I was curious.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Later on in the court case through this whole thing,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: her husband does say that she was clean, she wasn't
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: using anymore. Whether that was a flat out lie or
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: he just didn't know, but okay, so it could very
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: well be the same thing. He was just not knowledgeable
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of the sex work as well.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: So it came to March seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine, when
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: fans drug addiction once again got the better of her,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and this time she didn't have any money at hand
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to support it. So she became desperate for cash, and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: she made a decision that would that she would regret
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: for the rest of her life. She turned to stealing
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Chan's wallet. Now, her and Chan were together one evening
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: for a sexual encounter that he was paying her for, okay,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And after he had left the room, she snagged his
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: wallet and stole his cash.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And he's like, scary dud.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a pimp, drug dealer guy, so he's into
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: gangs and shit and yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, I guess so.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So the wallet would contain approximately twenty thousand Hong Kong dollars,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: which would equal out to two thousand five hundred and
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: sixty US dollars.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, At first, I was like, whoa, who cares?
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Around twenty genis which is approximately equivalent to four thousand,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty four dollars today in US dollars.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Which is like, still a significant amount of money to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: just be carrying in your freaking wallet.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: It is, and if you put that into Canadian that's
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: probably damn near five thousand dollars Canadian today.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like, if I have fifty bucks in my wallet,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, we live in life.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Whoa, I go to Timmy's Boys. Okay, sorry, Timmy's run aside.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So when Chan found out, he was literally in a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: brutal blind rage when he discovered that his money was missing,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and he obviously quickly was able to figure out who
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: stole it, as Fan was the only one in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: room at the time it went missing. Right, So he
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: set out and up with his friends, twenty seven year
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: old Lung shin Cho, twenty one year old Lung Wai Lun,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and Chan's fourteen year old underage girlfriend. Now remember Chan
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: is I believe thirty four years old, oh and his
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: girlfriend is fourteen wow?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is going south isn't it.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, With his three accomplices, they went out, kidnapped Fan
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and took her back to his apartment at number thirty
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: one Granville Road, where they imprisoned her.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness okay and that fourt okay.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Oh you're putting it together as a fourteen.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Year old girl usually doesn't connect. But it's connecting to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: way to go.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Good job him five on that one?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, boh okay, wow okay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So Chan's plan originally was to pimp out Fan continuously
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: until he felt that his debt was paid back plus interest.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Now, when Fan was first confronted, she quickly admitted what
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: she'd done, like super storry, gave the money back instantly,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: plus a couple hundred more that she had earned in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the time that it took for Chan to find her.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: So she had paid back already the money plus.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Interest, which is really good it is.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: However, Chan didn't consider this payment to the debt. This
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: was just his money.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: He's not a forgiving dude, no, by the sounds of it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So he got his money. It was already his money.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: But now she owes him plus interest.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but shared he paid him extra.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: That was his money now he needs her money plus interest.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: That's the perspective he had.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Terrible will make mistakes, And she was like having an addiction, like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure this dude is just not a kind
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: of person.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I would not label him as kind.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: He's probably the opposite of kind.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I would label him as many things, among one of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: them probably a douche canoe.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a nasty mouful.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You're nasty, That's what i'd say to Yeah, he's he's
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a piece of work. This man's piece of shit.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Well I already feel that way, and I probably don't
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: even know half of it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Like if if shit could walk and it was this person, no, no, no,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: if shit could walk and it would step in shit,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it would be like, ew, I stepped in chan. That's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: what shit would say.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, so nice.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Right, Well not really, it's kind of gross.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's it's a nice description. I like it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I like it a lot.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I went later on here we're going
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to get into some well coming up here. Actually, in
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a moment, I went to some good descriptive writing. So
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: let's see how I'll do it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: All cool.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Now being held captive, fan was about to endure more
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: in a month than any human ever should in a lifetime.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And to top it all off, the place she was
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: being held captive at was something out of a nightmare,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: but not something you would expect. Side note, here's where
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: my descriptive writing comes in. Let's say, okay, let's see
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: how I do. I'm really proud of this, but to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be fair, I wrote it when I was really tired
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: last night and I haven't gone over it since. So
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's terrible. We'll find out. So I'm gonna
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: read it verbatim here. Okay, we all know creepy places
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: are dark, cold, and even damp. Maybe there are echoes
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that ring through large open spaces but you can't see
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: how far it goes. Or maybe the walls are tight
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: with a low, overhanging roof that seems to be shrinking
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: down every minute. Perhaps it's a tranquil forest where no
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: person is around. You are totally alone, but once you
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: stop to listen, you notice there are no birds chirping
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: or humming of insects, just silence. How was that that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: was good? Yeah?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Like I'm impressed.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Had I'm a back for that one?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Like ten? Ten? Good job, thank you?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this place was not that kind of creepy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: This place was a totally different kind of creepy. It's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: kind of reminiscent of like, you know, some people are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: afraid of, like birthday clowns, like the laughs, the smiles
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: and every move like it's creepy. Right, Yeah, Well, this apartment,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, was similar to that. It was a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: doorn top to bottom with brightly colored Hello Kitty decor.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is where this comes in.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: From pillows to blankets, to dishes, furniture posters that covered
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the walls, dolls, plush toys in the apartment. It was
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: just full on hell Hello Kitty, room for room.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Whose freaking apartment was this?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: This was Chance apartment.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Really. I don't know if it was one of maybe I.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Don't know if it was his like stay at apartment,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: but I do know that he opers rated as a
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: drug dealer and a pimp out of this apartment. He
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: did a lot of like transaction stores sort of stuff.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: He was like literally obsessed with Hello Killer Kitty.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, that's.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Wild, yeah, but I like, oh, I'm the Hello Kitty
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I think is well popular here too, but even worse
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: over there.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, I'm not too sure if it is even
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: more so over there, but I do know, like literally
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: when Hello Kitty came out, like it was just exploded,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: like worldwide.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember being in a Hello Kitty store when
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I was like probably fourteen.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Ye. I don't know where I was here in northern
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: British Columbia.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it's just a store chilling out a
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: pine tree. When I was there, Oh that makes sense,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: was dead, Yeah, gotcha. But I wasn't super into Hello Kitty.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But I was like also, like, this is okay. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: can get down for this. But I don't think i'd
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: have my whole house no decorated Hello Kitty. I wasn't
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: quite there. No, no, not quite.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe one day.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe the tiny Oh this our tiny home. Let's
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: do Hello Kitty.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Can we like sculpt a big Hello Kitty head on
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the front of it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could paint it like pink and white and
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: just go all out here.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: None, we can like, oh, we can put our microphones
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: hook it up to the mouth of Hello Kitty. So
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: when we talked, the mouth move at the front of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the tiny home.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, side note, though, this Hello Kitty for me as
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a kid would probably be Eminem's. Remember how I had
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: literally every eminem to censor possible and I thought Eminem's
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was like the sweetest thing. I was an Eminem for Halloween.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: What about beanie babies though?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I was also obsessed with that? Oh yeah, I had
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of obsessions actually as a small or early
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: child or no like early teens.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Tweens, as a as a toddler to adult to now, yeah,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: because you still have a bin full of beanie babies
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in storage.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just because like that was my life saving
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: so it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Might be worth millions one day. Okay, let's get back
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to this. We're distracted here. Okay, So everything that occurred
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: over the next month isn't exactly known. I just want
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to highlight the word exactly. We do know things that happened,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but we don't know everything that happened. Okay, okay, And
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that's going to come to play a little later on.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Some of the things we can assume happen though that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Chant had many people come by to pay for time
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: with her. Again, it was never said specifically, but we
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: can assume that happened again to potentially pay off that debt.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that was just like original plan. So yeah,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: And eventually it moved on to being beat and tortured daily,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: and beatings and tortures began. Now they can't necessarily pimper
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: out because bruises, beatings, swelling, right, So it just turned
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: straight into the torture.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I hate that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the individuals, this is where we start getting
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: into it. To anyone who's a little squeamish out there,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: So the individuals already done it. But okay, oh you
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: thought we already went over.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah I thought that was it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: But oh no, no, no, no, we're we're really diving in
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: deep here. So while she was being held captive, what
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: would happen to her by these individuals. They would regularly
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: be high on meth, first of all, and they would
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: beat her, and I mean beat her. She was beaten
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: with metal bars, shit kicked repeatedly and I mean repeatedly,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and stomped repeatedly. Okay, yeah, Melted plastic would be dripped
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and poured over her body as she was tied and bound.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah you're good, Yeah, I'm here.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: The she wanted to make fans suffer most of all,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: but they also wanted her to not be able to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: run away. Oh jeez, uh oh, you're good. Yeah here,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: so they would frequently use her as a literal punching bag,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: much like Junko was.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: They would stuff things into her open wounds and cuts
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to cause her more pain and infections. Lighters would be
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: held up to the bare soles of her feet to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: burn so she couldn't stand or walk. She would be
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: having her feet burned as she screamed, and she was
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: She would try to pull away but couldn't because of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: her restraints. Cords and cables were used to keep her
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: bound and in many cases used to beat and strangle
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: her as well. The young fourteen year old girl who
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: went to the police, she even recalls a time when
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: she was ordered to defecate in a box so they
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: could force feed it.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: To find Oh my gosh, okay, I shut up for
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a minute there, but this is just too much, this
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: is just.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So, that's all we Wow, she went through.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's fucked, that's fucked. That's mega mega, megafucked.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So over the course of a month, fanandered all this
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: punish to the point where she was eventually either killed
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: by one of the incidents, or it succumbed to the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: wounds she had received over the course of the imprisonment.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And sorry, do we know it wasn't like a month
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: or we don't know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It was over the course of a month.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, not that that's like not that's still a freaking
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: long ass time.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: But that's still a long time.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It was longer. Holy shit, Right, I need to take
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: a either.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Are you good?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm great, you're great. Yeah, you sure, Yeah, I'm great.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Taking a swig of that drink. I'm almost out, it's
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: almost gone. Wow, that's impressive.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Rerick, I told you.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I had to take a swig of mine.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Okay. So when she did die, though, Chen and his
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: friends didn't really seem to care, there was no remorse.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: It was as if a simple object in the apartment
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: was broken and it was time to get rid of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: it and move on. So they began the process of
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: disposing her body.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just have to say, like, literally stealing is bad,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: but like just stealing, and like she apologized and gave
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: it back and was like just making a mistake, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: she had like an excuse because she was addicted to drugs,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: and like, did this really deserve this? No, it did
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: not deserve this, Like like that's nuts.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys are fucked. They are one hundred percent gum.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: They deserve to burn totally.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: So when they began disposing her body, they first brought
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: her to the bathtub and they cut her arteries and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: started bleeding her out in the bathtub.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought I was gonna go break in bad
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: stop but okay, no, well.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: We're almost there.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Once she was drained, they began to hack at her
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: body with a saw and dismember her into pieces. Reportedly,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the process took approximately ten hours to complete. Oh frank
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: as they cut away at fan with a saw. Ten hours.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like it should have taken ten hours.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I mean it shouldn't have.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Like either they don't know what they're doing, like even remotely,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: or like they were just really really enjoying the process.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I think they just did not know what they were doing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but still, like someone who's really stupid could probably
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: do it quicker than.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That, probably because like this is a really morbid conversation.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: First, okay, but I'm just like it should dig that long.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: The reason why I'm saying I'm talking in this context
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: is again because I'm a hunter. I've butchered animals, right,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: My dad and I have butchered an entire moose in
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: less time. And I'm talking like that's nice cuts, making.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Things like how much is a moose? Way?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You know a moose is a thousand pounds?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm thinking, from someone who has absolutely zero
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: experience with any of this kind of shit, that I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: don't think it should take ten hours. Shouldn't, but I mean,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: do it quicker.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: They're probably high on meth.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and taking breaks having snacks or.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Having snacks, I don't know. You gotta get those goldfish.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Oh wow. Okay. So they would remove her head and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: her limbs, and for whatever reason they even began to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: disembowel her. They would cut open her stomach and remove
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: many of her organs and they bag them. Now again,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: this is where it kind of goes to the theory
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: that a lot of meth was involved, because ere they're
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: drug addicts to begin with and drug dealers, and they're
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: probably high, not really thinking straight, and they're just doing
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: random shit, right.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Like bagging organs.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it had no real pattern to what they
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: were doing in any of the disposal methods, because they
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: did many methods. They were trying to hide the body,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: they're trying to get rid of DNA whatever, but there
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: was no consistency, which I might I just have.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: To say really quickly, it's kind of maybe it shows
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that they haven't done this before, which I guess is
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: kind of nice.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So most of her body was disposed of in
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: trash bins and waste stations where unfortunately it would never
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: be found again. Oh shocks, where some of her organs
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that had been bagged were simply thrown out the window
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to land on an awning below. Some of her organs
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: were stored in the fridge, along with one of her teeth. Okay, now,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: fans head is where it really gets weird. They of
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: course decapitated her, we know that. But then they would
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: then place her head inside a pot and boiled it
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and cooked it inside a gas stove. What yep? Okay,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: why I think they're trying to destroy any DNA?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, so you've already said this numerous times.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, but still, that is.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: That's a visual one I have.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: There, So then.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: After that was done, they took They took her cooked
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: skull coated in her boiled flesh, and stuffed it inside
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the head of a large Hello Kitty Mermaid plush doll
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and sewed it shut.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Who yeah, my dinner, dinner.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Is coming up, and so we're gonna make sure we
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: post a phot photo of that plush doll on Instagram.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: That's nasty. And is that like what was stinking?
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh, you called the head a little bit, but yes,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that's what's.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: That's what's so they didn't even like boil it enough
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to like have it not stink. Well, I mean you
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: maybe that could boil.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You could boil a roast. Just think boil a roast
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: till it's like thoroughly cooked, well cooked, and then you
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: leave it on the counter, it's going to start stinking.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Cooked meat will start stinking too.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was almost thinking that they'd boil it
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: so much that there was like it was just skull, no,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: because like obviously it's gonna stink then.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there in this Hello Kitty Mermaid plush doll.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: She sat for the next month until the fourteen year
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: old girlfriend of Chen led the police to the apartment
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: at the door of number thirty one. The smell of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: rot was extremely present and obvious, just kind of like
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: we were talking about. In fact, the other tenants of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the building had reported the smell coming from the apartment
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: over the past month since Fan's death, but officials just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: kind of brushed it off as garbage that had been
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: piling up in or around the apartment building. It wasn't
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a very nice part of town. It was kind of
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like a lower lower class sort of thing, and not
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: so good cleanliness in the area, right, Okay, so it
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: was kind of brushed off at the time, But when
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: police had followed the girls to the apartment, they had
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: opened the door and the stench hit them like a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: ton of bricks. But inside there wasn't a whole lot
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to find. The Hello Kitty furniture, posters and other belongings
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: had mostly been moved out, and there was no one
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in sight. The tenants had left one thing they did
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: leave behind, though there was a few scattered possessions and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: things that they left behind, But the one thing they
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: did leave behind was a large Hello Kitty mermaid plush toy.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, just to clarify, was most the Hello Kitty
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: stuff out of the house that Yes, okay. I was
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: envisioning them, the police, being like, whoa, Hello Kitty World. Okay, No,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it was all it was all gone, okay. I see.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Just you sounded really excited, like as if it was
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: your first first person perspective of being a police officer,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: like walking in be like, oh my god, so much
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Hello Kitty, woa, Hello Kitty world. Like you sounded excited.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know, being like a police officer, and like
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: some of the shit you see is probably intense, and
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: that would just be intense, like going into this Hello
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Kitty World and this foul smell and.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's definitely expect I mean, imagine going to this really
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: run down apartment building and you are told by this
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: girl someone was just murdered in here, and you're just
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: present at this door with just rot smell, and you
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: open the door and it's just brightly colored Hello Kitty everywhere,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: like what the fuck?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Like it would be a visual Like I just feel
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: like it just wouldn't be like a normal day in
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the office.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think my response would be nope, and I'm going, oh, I.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Actually don't feel good. I have to go home.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Fuck this shiitamn mount.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: This mount. Actually, that would be one that I think
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: would be fascinating. You just like plug your nose and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: put a mask on and dive in. Man.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: No thanks, Okay, nope, I'm good. I can't stand the
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: smell of rotten meat because that, like butchering animals for
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: as a hunter before, like some cuts go bad sometimes
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: if you leave the meat out too long, okay, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like that rank smell. Like I that's one like one
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: of the only things in this world that has only
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: ever made me throw up, well close to throwing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Up, I should say, I don't even know if I've
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: ever really.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Smelt that rancid meat is It's disgusting. Mm hmm. Okay,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: where am I now? Right? The Hello Kitty doll that
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: was left behind, right, so, the toy that was of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: course once nice white off fabric and nice little plush
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: toy was now blotched with some sort of thick, reddish,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: gross mucus. Oh gosh, the doll looked like death, smelt
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: like it nice. So police of course opened it up,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and inside they found fans head covered in a swarm
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of maggots. Ohly frig so among the head they found
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: what was left behind in the fridge, which was a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: few organs and a tooth, and the bloodied, soaked bathtub.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Wow, so they really didn't clean up at all, Like
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: it's kind of what did they think?
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Like, I just they just abandoned the crime scene. Yeah,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: so pretty So to sum that up, all that they
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: found a fan was her boiled head, a few organs,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and a tooth. Okay, everything else was disposed of.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I just feel like it's so random that you dispose
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: of some things but not all But okay.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Right, especially considering like they boiled the head to try
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and get rid of DNA, like why bother? But then
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: the bathtub is coated in blood.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: like obviously they're not very.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Smart or like the theory goes, they're just high on
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: whatever meth. Most likely they're drug addicts. We know that,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: we know they're using. Most likely they're using while doing this,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I guess.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So in exchange for protection, the fourteen year old girl
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: who led the police there testified in court against Chan.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: She stated that she witnessed him and one of the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: other friends, but I didn't have his first name. I
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: need to get consistent with first names. And last names.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm bad with that. The last name was man Yee.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: She witnessed them kick Fan in the head at least
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: fifty times at one point, and she in fact even
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: joined in.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Herself, Oh gosh, okay, because I was going to be like,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a badass of the day. But no,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: not at all, No, not at all.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: No, No, we haven't done a bad ass of the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: day for a while. I was thinking about that the
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: other day, have we not. No, it's been like probably
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a good like eight episodes.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I would say, the next case, we got to make
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: sure it's a badass.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: So.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: She was actually asked in court why she thought the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: torture continued for so long, and she stated, and I quote,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I had a feeling it was for fun. Oh nice, Yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: these guys are fucking That.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Is like the weirdest fucked up fun ever.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: That's not even fun.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: No, that's like fun. It's like going bowling or something,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: or like getting an ice cream can.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Oh that does sound fun.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Bowling and ice cream cone? Oh nice?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Can we go bowling and get ice cream? Yeah?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Actually, we haven't had fun for a while.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Well, this is fun, Yeah, this is fun. Getting to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: look forward to this every week. This is this is.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: This is fun, but I mean like gone on like
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a fun, like the fair was just here for two
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: weeks and way anyone go?
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah too busy? Okay. So without the young girl whose
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: name has been protected by court due to her age,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: these three men would have most likely gotten away with
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: this entire situation. It would have been left to rot.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't have known whose apartment or who was recently
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: there whatever. Right, So, even though they were caught, there
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: was still the issue of proving how Fan died, and
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: without a body, they couldn't say exactly how it happened. Okay,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: So of course all three men in court denied killing Fan.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course they were I quickly skipped ahead
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: with this. They were caught relatively fast. It's kind of
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: not important. Police are, like, we're looking for these guys.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: They found them really quick.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I do appreciate the fourteen year old at least coming forward.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do so, so good for her on that
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: doing the right thing.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Little late, but yeah, yeah, little late.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: So during the six week trial of these three men,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: they did admit to preventing Fan from receiving a lawful burial,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: which is a criminal charge in Hong Kong.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Oh okay.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: They told the court that they had simply they were
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: simply running a brothel with Fan as a mutual agreement, okay.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And they said that she was a drug addict and
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that she died because of a drug overdose. They also
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: said that they disposed of her body the way that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they did in fear of what would happen if police
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: found out. Now Chan and why Lung both pled guilty
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: to false imprisonment, while shin Cho denied, and throughout their trial,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the three men began to turn on each other and
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: pointing with finger at one another on the torture of
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Fan while minimizing their own role in that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Very interesting. That's kind of like the psychology of that
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: is just so interesting to me.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: They just read it like I didn't really do anything.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: It was them, And then they said the exact same
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: thing about the other two like it's ridiculous.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So without a definitive cause of death, the jury
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: refused to find them guilty of murder.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: What you're kidding? Nope, is this going to make me angry?
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Am I going to be angry? Because I finished my boos?
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: You finished your booze. There's there's justice, but there's a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: potential for them to be able little early.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Instead, the trio was convicted of manslaughter in December of
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: two thousand, and they were sentenced to the maximum. The
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: judge gave them maximum sentence because they were showing no
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: remorse in in prison the way they handled her body
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: after her death. So they were sentenced to the maximum
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: of life in prison, life in prison with the possibility
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of parole after just twenty years.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's actually pretty high sentence for manslaughter.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I thought it is. But also remember it's a criminal
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: offense to not bury the body prevent that burial, right right, So,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: as of recording this episode, all three men who are
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: responsible for the torture and murder of twenty three year
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: old Fan Man Yee are still behind bars.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Oh okay. I literally was like glaring at you. Do
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: not say that they're out. Do not say that they're out.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: However, just keep in mind they were sentenced in two
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: thousand with the possibility of parole after twenty years, so
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: they could be applying for their parole right now.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: They most likely are.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Probably Yeah, it's actually like I mean it's twenty twenty one,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: where an't they out? Then hopefully there are little assholes
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and in jail, yeah, and don't get to like get
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: out earlier, getler, have to stay like a full set.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I really hope all three of them get life in prison,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: they don't make parole.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Legitimately get life.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Legitimately get life.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, because it's absolutely disgusting. But then the fact
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: like that I find even more disgusting is just like
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a that it was like for fun and having no remorse.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: No remorse at all.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: They didn't care, Like how can you do that to
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: someone and not feel bad? Like if I did that
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: to an aunt, I would feel bad.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Not okay, not even someone do that and not even care.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Three individuals do that and not even care. Yeah, but
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: then I mean you look at Junco where she had
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: how many peoples?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: So well? Yeah, and there would have been if if
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: at the beginning, if they did kind of treat her
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: like it was like a brothel or whatever, there could
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: have been men, but then a lot more men. But
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: then maybe they wouldn't have thought it was anything bad either,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: because she wasn't beaten and stuff.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: See, now I do want to point out that most
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: coverage of this story that I found, most people don't
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: talk about her going into being pimped out at the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: beginning of her imprisonment. They just go straight into the torture.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Any articles I've read, documentaries, they don't really talk about
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the potential of her being pimped out at the time,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: though that was the plan. They always talk about that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: But in the court case, Chan does say that they
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: were running a brothel. He had intentions of doing that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: to her. So for all we know, they could have
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: either A started pimping her out and then began beating
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: her after however long, or B just started beating her
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: right off the bat. Everyone always jumps to they just
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: started beating her right off the bat.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: They don't know for sure.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: We don't know for sure. You got to consider that
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: she could have been raped several times before the beatings.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And I wonder what's what clicked If it was just
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: like he was just going to pimp her out or whatever,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: what click to make it like them start beating.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was. It was well, either one or
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: the other, or a combination of just pure rage and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: anger at her or drugs.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gross, so gross.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: That's a story of fan Manye, she went through a
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: lot and I hope these guys stay in prison for life.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well well done. It was definitely entertaining, I'll give
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: it that.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but brutal.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Poor fan and thank you all for listening.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Make sure you guys stay wicked.