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Mallory Beach’s Boyfriend Screams at Paul Murdaugh After Fatal Boat Crash · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. A double murder in the
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Speaker 1: heart of South Carolina is still unsolved. A double murder
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Speaker 1: involving one of the wealthiest and most powerful families in
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Speaker 1: the region. Does that have anything to do with it?
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Speaker 1: As rumors are swirling, we learn the latest crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Greece joining me an all star panel including
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Speaker 1: Matt Harris, morning show host in Charlotte w l n
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Speaker 1: K and podcaster of the Murdoch Family Murders Impact of Influence.
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Speaker 1: Also with me, renowned defense attorney, former prosecutor Darryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator, professor forensics Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star
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Speaker 1: of a brand new series that is a hit, The
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Speaker 1: Piked and Massacre returned to Pike County on iHeart. Also
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Speaker 1: with me, guys is Cheryl McCollum joining US forensic expert.
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Speaker 1: But first I want to go straight out to Matt.
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Speaker 1: Matt Harris joining us from wl n K, also the
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Speaker 1: star of the Murderock Family Murders podcast. Matt, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to some of the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call that we have obtained from the night.
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Speaker 1: There's so many nine one one calls to sort through. Matt,
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Speaker 1: You've got the Knight of the double murder, the mother
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Speaker 1: and son. You've got the young man found dead in
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Speaker 1: the road reportedly a hit and run. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people don't think so. Then you got the night the
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Speaker 1: day of a boat crash where the murdered son was
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Speaker 1: driving drunk in the boat and caused the death of
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Speaker 1: Mallory Beach. We got a lot of nine one one
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Speaker 1: calls to store it through. But let's start with the one,
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Speaker 1: the Night of the double murder. I want you to
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut twenty five. It's Alex
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Speaker 1: the murdog, the dad, the husband who finds his wife
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Speaker 1: and son murdered. Take a listen to his nine one
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Speaker 1: one call. Molus, I think the pol my wife at
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Speaker 1: rod in olgin me. Okay, I have an Alex Murrock
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Speaker 1: on the lie call us from forty one forty seven.
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Speaker 1: He's advising that his wife's and child was shot. Okay
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Speaker 1: again forty one forty seven, Molle Road, I've been up
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Speaker 1: to it now is bad okay, okay. And are they breathing? Oh, ma'am. Okay.
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Speaker 1: And he said, it's your wife and your son, my
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Speaker 1: wife and my scorn. Are they in a vehicle? No, man,
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Speaker 1: they're on the ground out at my kennel. You know,
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Speaker 1: right now, my head is spinning because I'm getting so
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Speaker 1: many facts right now on the ground outside the kennel,
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Speaker 1: not in a vehicle. The dad husband has found the bodies.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, locked down his alibi right now. But I'm
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Speaker 1: hearing his voice, and frankly, I'm assessing his demeanor. But
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear a little bit more that. No,
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Speaker 1: I'm one call. This is our cut twenty five childer,
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Speaker 1: please rolle? Okay? Is he breading at all? No? No? Okay?
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Speaker 1: Do you see any Do you see anyone? No? Man,
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Speaker 1: oh ma'am. Color is your house on the outside? What
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Speaker 1: color is your house on the outside? What you didn't
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Speaker 1: see it from the road? Okay? That the house or home? Okay?
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Speaker 1: And what is your name? Is Alex Murdoch? Okay? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear anything or did you come home and find
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Speaker 1: now something? Just then? Anyone else? House? No, ma'am. Okay. Again,
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Speaker 1: you may think it's cold, You may think it's hard hearted,
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Speaker 1: but I'm listening to his demeanor before I go to
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Speaker 1: Matt Harris joining me morning show host of E L
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Speaker 1: n K and producer of Murlock Family Murders. To you,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, we have to look at him, We have
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Speaker 1: to look at him. Yes, he is a very wealthy,
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Speaker 1: very prominent, very influential prosecutor, runs a huge civil law firm.
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Speaker 1: They're rolling in money and property. He says he has
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Speaker 1: an alibi, But you and I both know statistically the
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Speaker 1: person most likely to have killed the wife, the mother
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Speaker 1: is the love partner, the husband. So you got to
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Speaker 1: look at him. That's just sp stdard operating procedure, and
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Speaker 1: you've got to assess his demeanor at the time of
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call. Just that simple, Daryl, We
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Speaker 1: have no choice but to look at him. You always
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Speaker 1: have to rule out everybody that's close to the victims.
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Speaker 1: Does his voice sound legitimate, absolutely? Could he be an actor? Possibly?
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Speaker 1: Is he legitimately upset? Absolutely? But is he upset because
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Speaker 1: he committed a crime or because he saw the crime?
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Speaker 1: The victims, his wife and his son. None of this
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Speaker 1: is good. But if he's not ruled out, then he's
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Speaker 1: absolutely ruled in. So that's what we have to do
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Speaker 1: as we continue to see who may be the purpose. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you know, if he's not part of this, which
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Speaker 1: no one is indicated that he is. I know it's painful,
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Speaker 1: but the reality is law enforcement has a duty to
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Speaker 1: look at every single possible suspect, including him potential suspect.
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Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Matt Harris joining us
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Speaker 1: w l K and from the Morlock Family Murders Impact
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Speaker 1: of Influence podcast. What do you make of his demeanor? Matt?
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Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to gets what demeanor would
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Speaker 1: be on anyone who would how they would react and
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Speaker 1: they come and see that, and it's a very violent
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Speaker 1: jet to both of them from what we've had. The
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Speaker 1: death certificate was just released recently on Paul Murdoch and
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Speaker 1: multiple shotgun blast to his head and body. And we
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Speaker 1: haven't seen Maggie Murdock's death certificately yet, but the word
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Speaker 1: was that she was killed by a semi automatic at
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Speaker 1: pretty close point range. So what he came upon was
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Speaker 1: a very gruesome scene. And so I don't know if
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Speaker 1: anybody can even fathom what they how they would react
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Speaker 1: seeing that. Well, I can tell you this much, Matt. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people can't relate to finding a dead body,
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Speaker 1: much less of your wife and child. Well, Grownd's son.
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Speaker 1: But if he had been as cool as a quem,
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Speaker 1: I would have found that very odd. If he were
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Speaker 1: not crying and was not upset, I would find that
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Speaker 1: very odd. Neither of those two things are true. So
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Speaker 1: I believe from just hearing his voice, either he's a
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Speaker 1: heck of an actor or after all his years of
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Speaker 1: courtroom work from dealing with crime victims as a part
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Speaker 1: time prosecutor. I don't know was it acting. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: sound like it. Everybody remembers the case of Susan Smith
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Speaker 1: who cried and bade for help on camera and the
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Speaker 1: jess of her very small children when she was in
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Speaker 1: fact the one that did it. I mean, you can
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Speaker 1: fake it, but I don't know. To you, doctor Andy Arnold,
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Speaker 1: this doesn't sound fake to me. It doesn't sound fake
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Speaker 1: to me either, Nancy, and I think that you know,
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Speaker 1: I think that it's so difficult because that's we can
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Speaker 1: all get this information so quickly now and hear what
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Speaker 1: people are saying on their nine one one calls, and
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Speaker 1: I don't I know that there's certain times, maybe that
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Speaker 1: we can try to pick up from the nine one
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Speaker 1: one call what who we should blame about these things?
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Speaker 1: But I think that we have to be very careful
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Speaker 1: about that. I think we have to be very careful
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Speaker 1: about judging and hearing with our ears how people sound
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Speaker 1: when they when the first when they find someone dead
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Speaker 1: in their family, and not one person, but two people
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace, a wife and a son. Also,
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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot. Matt Harris is joining me. W
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Speaker 1: L n K. You told me that the autopsy report
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Speaker 1: on the sun has been released. You told me that
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Speaker 1: he was shot multiple times to the head and body
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Speaker 1: with I believe it was a long gun. The mom
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Speaker 1: Maggie shot with a semi automatic. But I find it
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Speaker 1: interesting that he was shot that many times to the
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Speaker 1: head and face and the way the shotgun was used.
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Speaker 1: They're saying, on Paul and on Maggie the words it
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Speaker 1: was semi automatic, as you said, yes, right, so it was.
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Speaker 1: It had to be just snawful scene to come upon. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from yes, you're right, Matt, but
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from a probative point of view.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell me that tells me jump in
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics. It tells me that, you know,
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Speaker 1: if this were sister, just say a robbery, they would
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Speaker 1: have shot the sun once and killed him, shot him
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Speaker 1: in the head. But they took the time to shoot
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Speaker 1: him repeatedly, and I find that very probative. Joe Scott. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Other two and the fact that two weapons are being
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Speaker 1: used as well, Nancy, you know his desert of it
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Speaker 1: actually says that he was shot in the chest and
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Speaker 1: in the head. So what does that mean? Was he
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Speaker 1: facing the individual that he was shot? Well, if you
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Speaker 1: say chest, most people think so. But in forensic parlance,
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Speaker 1: we have an antior chest, which is the front side,
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Speaker 1: and then we have postior chest, which is a backside.
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Speaker 1: So it doesn't really answer that question. But what it
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Speaker 1: does sound like they said shot in the back. Well,
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Speaker 1: what it does, what it does say to us is
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Speaker 1: that he was in fact executed. But why two separate weapons?
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Speaker 1: We're talking about what I have heard at least a
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Speaker 1: tactical type rifle that was used with the with the mother.
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Speaker 1: Does that mean that we're looking at two shooters here, Nancy, Well,
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Speaker 1: we got two weapons, so you're going to tell me
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Speaker 1: that if you shoot these two individuals, you're gonna shoot
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Speaker 1: them with a shotgun. Put that shot, put that weapon down,
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Speaker 1: and then pick up the tacicle rifle and fire that
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Speaker 1: at mom or did it happen reverse? Can you break
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Speaker 1: it down in plain English? What do you mean by
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Speaker 1: tactical rifle expo tacticle. It's like a military grade weapon,
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Speaker 1: maybe like on an M four platform or an AK
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Speaker 1: forty seven platform. And they recovered spent ammunition or spent
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Speaker 1: brass casings at the scene out there. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how many. No one knows how many at this point
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Speaker 1: in time, but we do know that they had said
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Speaker 1: at one point in time they recovered multiple bits of
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Speaker 1: spent ammunition. Back to you, Matt Harris joining us wl
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Speaker 1: n K, what do you know about cartridge's or spent
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Speaker 1: casings that were found there that they say they're very
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Speaker 1: tight sled has been very slight as the South Carolina
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Speaker 1: organization that's handling the crime. They mentioned, We've got worried.
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Speaker 1: There was some casings. We know that a vehicle was
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Speaker 1: told from there that was owned by his the law firm,
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Speaker 1: and we found and they found a phone. And that's
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Speaker 1: about the extensive one we know, plus the decertificate that
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Speaker 1: was released in the last hours. Major developments in the
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Speaker 1: case of a mother and sun shot dead and a
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Speaker 1: prominent family in South Carolina. Number one, we've obtained more
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Speaker 1: of the father, the lawyer, and the families. Nine one
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Speaker 1: one call before we move on, let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the rest of that. This is our cut twenty
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Speaker 1: seven Alex Murdogapa finding his wife and son dead. We
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Speaker 1: know the sun shot multiple times in the chest and
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Speaker 1: the face. Listen, Okay, what is her name? Maggie, Maggie
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Speaker 1: and Paul Maggie name h yes, now, okay, please? Can
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Speaker 1: you need questions? Don't faw them down? Okay? Are you
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Speaker 1: sure they're not breathing? Is he moving out? Your son?
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Speaker 1: I know he said, what about your son? Nobody? They're
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Speaker 1: not even one. What is your telephone number? And does
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Speaker 1: anything look out of place? Ma'am? Not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, straight out to doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Many people have made
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Speaker 1: much ado about the fact that he is using niceties
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Speaker 1: such as yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. Please under these horrible
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Speaker 1: circumstances of finding his wife and son dead, shot dead.
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Speaker 1: I disagree that is ingrained in you sits of birth
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Speaker 1: in the South. And the fact that he's saying that
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Speaker 1: that's just, you know, a natural response. I can hear
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Speaker 1: him actually crying. Now. I'm not saying it's impossible for
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Speaker 1: him to be acting, but it sounds legitimate to me.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that he is using francis ma'am please,
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Speaker 1: I don't find that unusual given where he's from. No,
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Speaker 1: and Nancy just listened to his Southern accent. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he has a Southern drawl as long as the Mississippi River.
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Speaker 1: He also, in saying yes, ma'am and please and these things,
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Speaker 1: he's regressing a little bit back to his younger years
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Speaker 1: when he was taught how to say that, and he's
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Speaker 1: feeling very vulnerable, and that's a very safe place for
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Speaker 1: him to be yes, ma'am. I want to go now
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Speaker 1: to what else we are learning, Matt. I'm curious about
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Speaker 1: the layout with me. Matt Harris fon WL and K
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Speaker 1: He said, quote they're on the ground out in his kennel.
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Speaker 1: Describe the layout for me, okay, where the kennels are
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Speaker 1: there's the house which is downe the property. The property
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Speaker 1: spanned a couple of different counties. It's about seventeen hundred acres.
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Speaker 1: And where they are it appears to be what I
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Speaker 1: can figure out from Google and all, that is about
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Speaker 1: two hundred maybe two hundred yards from the house. Two
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Speaker 1: or three hundred yards in the house is where the
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Speaker 1: dog kennel is, and so the dog kennels there. That
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Speaker 1: means that Paul and Paula Maggie are there. Then that's
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Speaker 1: about three hundred yards maybe from where the main house is.
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Speaker 1: I find it interesting that they were shot outside shot
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Speaker 1: as he says, quote on the ground. That's another clue
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Speaker 1: to me, way you and Joe Scott Morgan, Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 1: And also the distance that this is that you know,
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Speaker 1: the kennels are away from the house. So to me,
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Speaker 1: this means that they were either taken out there or
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Speaker 1: potentially marched out there. Nancy to get them out away
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Speaker 1: from from the house, maybe in order to muffle the sound.
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Speaker 1: If anyone has never been around the sound of a
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Speaker 1: shotgun or the sound of, say, for instance, a large
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Speaker 1: caliber weapon like a long arm, like a rifle, the
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Speaker 1: report is very loud and not only that if you've
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Speaker 1: got this thing going off multiple times. But Nancy, this
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Speaker 1: is a rural area as well. People expect, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's not expect, but people are not surprised by hearing
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Speaker 1: the report of gunfire out there. So you know, what
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Speaker 1: is the purpose for taking them out there? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe to eradicating any kind of evidence, maybe to
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Speaker 1: cover up, maybe to put as much distance as they
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Speaker 1: can between the perpetrator, at least between themselves or any
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Speaker 1: connection with the house. It is interesting, though that they
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Speaker 1: took this car away, though I'm fascinated by the vehicle. Well,
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I'm fascinated by it is that
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Speaker 1: you had to transport people out there. The shooter had
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Speaker 1: to get out there, the weapons had to get out there,
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Speaker 1: and there's no other evidence that there was another vehicle
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Speaker 1: out there, so at least to this point, tire tracks
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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. One of the trust I blame
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Speaker 1: things though, that I've kind of come across in this
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Speaker 1: is that when this vehicle was removed from the scene,
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Speaker 1: it was not a crime scene investigator that removed it.
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Speaker 1: It was a record driver, Nancy. And you know what
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Speaker 1: they told the record driver here put on a pair
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Speaker 1: of gloves and pull the vehicle up onto the flatbed
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Speaker 1: the skid to take it away. You know what's wrong
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Speaker 1: with that, Well, Number one, they probably drove over the
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Speaker 1: perhaps tire marks, Yeah, they very well could have, and
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Speaker 1: any kind of other foreign trace evidence that was inside
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Speaker 1: of that vehicle. You're gonna leave it. I'm sure the
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Speaker 1: record driver is a fine, outstanding fella. But if he's
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Speaker 1: getting in there in a pair of dirty old jeans
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Speaker 1: a dirty shirt and all you're doing is telling him
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Speaker 1: to put on a pair of rubber gloves to drive
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Speaker 1: the vehicle, he's contaminating that area. Nancy, you've seen us
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Speaker 1: out on crime scenes. We wear you know, some people
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Speaker 1: calling bunny suits, those white tiebec suits that we wear
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Speaker 1: with hair covers and shoe covers and all this. He
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Speaker 1: didn't have that. You're talking about a record driver that
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Speaker 1: pulls this scene up was kid. So I'm not really
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Speaker 1: impressed by the way this whole investigation is kind of
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Speaker 1: taken off from the beginning time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about a double homicide in South Carolina,
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Speaker 1: in the heart of one of the most powerful political
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Speaker 1: families in the region. In the last hours, new sound
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Speaker 1: has emerged and I'm going straight out to Matt Harris
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Speaker 1: from wl n K. Matt, tell me what we've learned
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Speaker 1: about the new audio. Well, the new audio is from
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen fatal boat crash that killed Mallory Beach, which
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Speaker 1: Paul Murdoch was indicted on three counts of voting under
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Speaker 1: the influence. And ironically that the wordcase or actually the
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Speaker 1: case that Valley Beach's family had filed, was start to
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Speaker 1: schedule to start three days after Paul Murdoch was murdered.
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Speaker 1: The time was kind of weird on that. But in
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Speaker 1: the what they found in his audio from the dashboard
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Speaker 1: of the Buford County Sheriff's Departments man was one of
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Speaker 1: the members of one of the people that was on
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Speaker 1: the boat. He was screaming at Paul Murdoch and telling
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Speaker 1: him that he said, you're going to rotten bleeping hell.
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Speaker 1: He said that. The other quote was you're that that
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Speaker 1: mother bleeper. He ain't kind of getting in no bleep
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Speaker 1: in trouble because of course he had just before that
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Speaker 1: he mentions to the sheriff deputy that he was a
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Speaker 1: Murdoch and so he says that's never gonna happen. He
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Speaker 1: talks in there about another close auto crash that had
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Speaker 1: happened with Paul didn't get in trouble for he says.
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Speaker 1: He screams to Paul Murdoch, Paul was smiling like it's
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Speaker 1: sleep in funny. My belief in the girlfriend is God.
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Speaker 1: Get well. You smiling like sit down and sit down.
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Speaker 1: You're smiling like it's effing funny. My effing girlfriend's gone.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, uh, dash cam video and audio emerges.
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Speaker 1: Dash cam is on a lot of law enforcement vehicles,
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Speaker 1: most of them there is a dash cam and it
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Speaker 1: catches what's going on in and around the trooper's car.
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Speaker 1: That's how this was caught. You're smiling like it's effing funny.
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Speaker 1: My effing girlfriend is gone. This new audio revealing the
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Speaker 1: moments after a deadly boating crash involving the drunk sun
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Speaker 1: now dead Paul murdog two years before he and his
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Speaker 1: mother found shot dead at their family retreat drunk as
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Speaker 1: a skunk, when Malory Beach goes over the side of
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Speaker 1: the boat, ends up dead and this guy, the boyfriend
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Speaker 1: of Malory, is screaming or smiling like it's effing funny.
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Speaker 1: My effing girlfriend is gum. Now, Matt Harris w L
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Speaker 1: and K you're telling me. He also says that mf
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Speaker 1: ain't going to get in trouble. He's a ff and Murdoch.
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Speaker 1: Do I have that right? We asked the trooper of
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Speaker 1: he knew the Murdoch family, and the trooper says, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I heard of them, and he says, well, but you
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Speaker 1: know they're not going to get in any trouble. Something
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Speaker 1: all on those lines because he and then he goes
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Speaker 1: on to say it was an earlier accident a year
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Speaker 1: ago with Paul was drinking and driving and nothing happened
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Speaker 1: with it, So that's that's what's going on in then
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Speaker 1: tell me about the incident a year before where the
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Speaker 1: young murdog Paul Murdoch was drinking and driving. And then
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Speaker 1: there's the civil lawsuit which I said that the civil
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Speaker 1: also was supposed to start two days later, they've officially
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Speaker 1: dropped the charges against Paul Murdock, but they because he's dead.
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Speaker 1: The case was really under a lot of pressure from
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Speaker 1: the community because no one was arrested after that. Mallory
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Speaker 1: Beach died in that crash for I think it was
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Speaker 1: two months when you're staying driving under the influence. You're
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Speaker 1: talking about boating under the influence? Correct, yes, yes, Although
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Speaker 1: they talk of the dash can, they talked about him
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Speaker 1: driving a truck drunk at one point. What do you
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Speaker 1: know about driving the truck trunk? That was mentioned in
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Speaker 1: that dashboard cam and it was also mentioned in one
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Speaker 1: of the reports that was taken at the hospital by
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Speaker 1: one of the girls on the boat said this happened
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Speaker 1: before in a truck, So there may have even been
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Speaker 1: a third incident. Guys, for those of you just joining us,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about a bloody double murder in South Carolina. Paul,
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Speaker 1: the son, mom Maggie, both found dead on the Murdoch
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Speaker 1: family home. Well, it's more of a retreat where there
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Speaker 1: are kennels kept outside the city. I want you to
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at NBC. This is
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Speaker 1: Blaine Alexander. Our cut three nine one one call came
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Speaker 1: late Monday night, officials say prominent South Carolina attorney Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdock came home last week and called police after discovering
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Speaker 1: his wife and son murdered. Fifty two year old Naggie
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Speaker 1: Murdoch and twenty two year old Paul Murdoch, both shot
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Speaker 1: multiple times outside their home. According to investigators, it happened
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Speaker 1: in Islandtown, South Carolina, about ninety minutes outside of Charleston.
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Speaker 1: Now more than a week later, seeming a little progress,
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Speaker 1: no arrests, no named suspect, and from police, no murders.
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Speaker 1: Raised me back to you, Matt Harris wl n K.
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Speaker 1: Now it's been much longer than one week later. Why
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Speaker 1: no progress? I don't know. And I've mentioned the voting it,
24:55
Speaker 1: so I should mentioned that the voters and we're all
24:59
Speaker 1: testedvoluntarily gay DNA and fingerprints and statements too. Sled about that,
25:07
Speaker 1: so they were trying to ruel them out as possible
25:11
Speaker 1: perpetrators to this homicide. Also Stephen Smith's mother, they went
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Speaker 1: and tested her as well, which is the hit and
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Speaker 1: run thing we talked a while ago. I do not
25:19
Speaker 1: know why it's right away. A day later they were
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Speaker 1: saying Sled said, don't worry about it. There's nobody on
25:24
Speaker 1: the loose. You're all safe. It's all good, you know.
25:27
Speaker 1: I find that very unusual, Daryl Cohen, when police come
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Speaker 1: out and say, hey, public, you're not at risk, there's
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Speaker 1: not a killer on the loose. That suggests they know
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Speaker 1: who the killer is, but yet no arrests have been made. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think that there's progress, but there's no visible progress
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Speaker 1: to the public. I suspect they're going to be looking
25:49
Speaker 1: at the entire family of Miss Beach. They're going to
25:53
Speaker 1: be looking at possible people who don't like the Murdoch family,
25:57
Speaker 1: because the Murdoch's are too cool to above everyone. So
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Speaker 1: I think what the police are releasing is not tantamount
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Speaker 1: to having no progress. They've got progress, and I'll take
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Speaker 1: wages that they're going to go ahead and they're going
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Speaker 1: to find the person or persons that are responsible for this.
26:17
Speaker 1: And I agree that there are probably two people involved.
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Speaker 1: The shotgun and the long rifle don't make sense for
26:24
Speaker 1: the same person to have used it simultaneously or shortly thereafter. Yeah,
26:29
Speaker 1: you know what just got Morgan. He's right. And you
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Speaker 1: and I were talking earlier off air about the feasibility
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Speaker 1: of one person wielding too long too long er, the
26:39
Speaker 1: feasibility of an individual utilizing two weapons like this, and
26:44
Speaker 1: you know, technically these are both long arms, so they've
26:46
Speaker 1: got long barrels on them. It would be logistically a
26:49
Speaker 1: nightmare in order to manage this. This isn't like a
26:51
Speaker 1: Hollywood movie, and this thing would have had to have
26:54
Speaker 1: gone off like clockwork. I think that this had required planning.
26:57
Speaker 1: This is not some stranger that just walked pick these
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Speaker 1: two people up out of thin air. These are people
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Speaker 1: that are going to be in their circle. They're going
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Speaker 1: to know them somehow. Now, maybe, like Darrell had said,
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Speaker 1: it's somebody that holds animosity toward them relative to some
27:13
Speaker 1: of these legal battles or whatever the case might be.
27:16
Speaker 1: It could very well be family who knows. But people
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Speaker 1: know them, and they know this location Nancy. They know
27:21
Speaker 1: where those kennels are back there. They know that this
27:23
Speaker 1: area is isolated, which again gives them an opportunity to
27:28
Speaker 1: put distance between themselves and the bodies, to displace them
27:33
Speaker 1: essentially from the scene of the crime. So I think
27:36
Speaker 1: that the police, like Daryl had said as well, have
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Speaker 1: more information, they're just not letting the public know. But
27:42
Speaker 1: everybody's terrified. Can you imagine living this little community and
27:45
Speaker 1: you've got two people that have just absolutely been slaughtered
27:49
Speaker 1: out there? Time stories with Nancy Grace in a Matte Harris,
28:05
Speaker 1: Let's call up on what Jess goot Morgan just said,
28:09
Speaker 1: and it jives with what the dad is saying on
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Speaker 1: the phone. This was an isolated area. And you hear
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Speaker 1: the dad trying to tell nine one one. They said
28:19
Speaker 1: what color is the house? And he goes white. But
28:22
Speaker 1: you can't see it from the road. It is isolated,
28:25
Speaker 1: It is far off the road. What does that tell me?
28:28
Speaker 1: Somebody that knew where they were going, This was not
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Speaker 1: the family home. They had to know that these two
28:36
Speaker 1: were there that night, right, and then you have to
28:39
Speaker 1: know how to get there and get them outside. Yes,
28:43
Speaker 1: that's correct. I know that Maggie had has Editor as
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Speaker 1: her address, but she also said she lived at Edisto
28:49
Speaker 1: at Facebook, so I don't know how often they were there.
28:51
Speaker 1: I know Paul, through various sources and things I've read,
28:56
Speaker 1: had been living with his uncle often on had been
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Speaker 1: He also had his apartment in up in the University
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Speaker 1: of South Carolina, So I don't know if people knew
29:07
Speaker 1: exactly when he was going to be there. And Paul
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Speaker 1: or I mean and Alec was out taking his father
29:14
Speaker 1: to the hospital that evening and then came back at
29:17
Speaker 1: ten o'clock and they penned it down to nine nine thirty.
29:19
Speaker 1: I also know people along that road. I talked to,
29:23
Speaker 1: had their doorcam, the you know, the ring doorbell taken
29:27
Speaker 1: to see what was on it, and the one when
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Speaker 1: I talked to said they didn't see any vehicles at
29:32
Speaker 1: that point. So nobody's doorcam their ring showed any vehicles
29:37
Speaker 1: going by, well at least the one, the only one,
29:39
Speaker 1: the one I talked to, she said there was nothing
29:41
Speaker 1: on her game. No vehicles had gone by that night
29:44
Speaker 1: in that time ring. And also the homes are far
29:47
Speaker 1: off the road, so I don't know what, if anything
29:49
Speaker 1: her door cam her ring would have picked up. Yeah, yeah,
29:53
Speaker 1: it depends with which way you were traveling on that
29:55
Speaker 1: road as well. Also, let me follow up on something
29:57
Speaker 1: that was said earlier. You said it Matt Harris, morning
30:01
Speaker 1: show host w l n K and the Murdoch Family
30:03
Speaker 1: Murders Impact of Influenced podcast. You said that members that
30:08
Speaker 1: had been on the boat the night the earlier couple
30:11
Speaker 1: of years before that the son was driving, they have
30:19
Speaker 1: willingly given their DNA. Yes, yes, that's the that's the
30:22
Speaker 1: report I have that they yes, they all five of
30:25
Speaker 1: them or four of them get their DNA finger principal
30:29
Speaker 1: works to whirl themselves out. As you know, the ones
30:34
Speaker 1: who had done who committed the murders? You know, I
30:36
Speaker 1: find that very interesting, Daryl Cohen, from a strategic point
30:39
Speaker 1: of view, Does it in some way tell you that
30:44
Speaker 1: the husband, the father, Alex Murdoch is not involved, Because
30:48
Speaker 1: if they're going back two or three years to find
30:51
Speaker 1: out who was on that boat involved in the boating
30:53
Speaker 1: accident looking for a perk, that tells me that they
30:57
Speaker 1: may not think the data is evolved. I think you're right, Nancy.
31:00
Speaker 1: I don't think the dad is involved. I think that
31:03
Speaker 1: we're looking at somebody who was absolutely at least the
31:06
Speaker 1: mother and the son were targeted. They were followed or else.
31:10
Speaker 1: Maybe it was random in terms of the date. Maybe
31:14
Speaker 1: they were just waiting for them to be there. But
31:17
Speaker 1: it may very well be somebody who is angry from
31:20
Speaker 1: miss Beach's family. Maybe it was someone who the law
31:25
Speaker 1: firm didn't didn't do well in their opinion. Wait a minute,
31:31
Speaker 1: are you floating the idea that, for instance, somebody didn't
31:34
Speaker 1: make partner in the law firm, so they go and
31:35
Speaker 1: kill Maggie and Paul. That's pretty far fetched, Darryl. Even
31:41
Speaker 1: for you, Nancy, no, a client, a former client, or
31:44
Speaker 1: someone who wanted to be a client or someone who
31:47
Speaker 1: Why not kill the dad, Alex, he's a lawyer, Why
31:50
Speaker 1: go kill Maggie and the sun don't get magg yet,
31:52
Speaker 1: even I'm going to take care of what he loves.
31:55
Speaker 1: You know what, go back to writing your novel, Okay,
31:58
Speaker 1: because that's not the scenario, right, This is not a
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Speaker 1: revenge killing. They go kill him for Pete's sake, the
32:03
Speaker 1: lawyer that handled it. But I like the out of
32:07
Speaker 1: the box thinking. Let's try to get back away from
32:10
Speaker 1: the little Green Men from Mars and focus on what
32:12
Speaker 1: may have really happened Daryl Cohen. Guys, we're talking about
32:15
Speaker 1: the double murders that grewesome double murders there in South
32:18
Speaker 1: Carolina of a powerful family still unsolved. To find that
32:22
Speaker 1: very unusual. In addition to this dash cam video emerging
32:26
Speaker 1: Matt Harris. Oh and by the way, on that dash
32:30
Speaker 1: cam video, you hear the boyfriend of Mallory Beach saying,
32:36
Speaker 1: go wrought in effing hell. We also know that the
32:41
Speaker 1: son Paul now Dad, was really drunk, intoxicated, belligerent. In fact,
32:49
Speaker 1: his alter ego named Timmy had come out. That's what
32:53
Speaker 1: his friends called him when he was so drunk. It
32:55
Speaker 1: seemed like another personality at work. What is the other
33:00
Speaker 1: lead right now, Matt Harris tell me the very latest.
33:03
Speaker 1: I guess that the well very latest is I just see.
33:06
Speaker 1: I guess they've they have dropped the charges against Fall,
33:09
Speaker 1: which would be obvious, but they did drop the charges
33:11
Speaker 1: and the civil cases continuing on against the Murdoch family
33:16
Speaker 1: for the potential cover up in the trying to frame
33:22
Speaker 1: somebody other than Paul as the Connor Cook was the
33:26
Speaker 1: guy's name. They were trying to spend, according Connor Cook's attorneys,
33:29
Speaker 1: so they fired like the they filed the pre lawsuit
33:34
Speaker 1: lawsuit where they can get discovery and such from I
33:37
Speaker 1: think five different uh ff DNR agents and find out
33:43
Speaker 1: whether the Murdoch can put pressure on them to cause
33:47
Speaker 1: confusion about who might have been driving the boat that night. Okay,
33:50
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Are you telling me that there
33:53
Speaker 1: was an active attempt to frame another individual you named
33:58
Speaker 1: Connor Cook as having been driving the boat the night
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Speaker 1: Mallory Beach was killed. I'm telling you that Connor Cook's
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Speaker 1: attorneys to think there may have been, and they are
34:09
Speaker 1: trying to prove that they're getting their discovery first and
34:13
Speaker 1: then there you'll see if they want to press a
34:16
Speaker 1: lawsuit against the Murdoch family. Well, you're absolutely right, because
34:20
Speaker 1: several police officers have been accused of trying to diminish
34:24
Speaker 1: Murdoch's role in the boat crash, including one who filed
34:28
Speaker 1: the report suggesting that it was unclear who was driving
34:32
Speaker 1: the boat. Well, it's not unclear to the people that
34:36
Speaker 1: were on the boat. In fact, one guy says he
34:39
Speaker 1: was holding his girlfriend that Murdog was driving so crazily
34:45
Speaker 1: he was actually holding his girlfriend. Quote. I finally got
34:49
Speaker 1: to the point where I grabbed my girlfriend and put
34:50
Speaker 1: it in my lap and the bottom of the boat
34:53
Speaker 1: and was holding on with my eyes closed. Next thing
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Speaker 1: I know, I'm in the effing water. Everybody knows who
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Speaker 1: was driving the boat, Matt Harris. Why would a cop
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Speaker 1: write that, Well, because if when I looked through, at
35:09
Speaker 1: least according to what they wrote on their reports, a
35:12
Speaker 1: lot of the boaters, people on the boat were not
35:16
Speaker 1: clear as who was driving. They and I people wonder
35:19
Speaker 1: whether because Paul Murdoch's dad was there and his grandfather
35:23
Speaker 1: and they were talking to the people that were on
35:25
Speaker 1: the boat and probably telling them not to make a statement.
35:29
Speaker 1: Connor Cook never made a statement. About who was driving there.
35:33
Speaker 1: So there was a lot, at least in the reports,
35:36
Speaker 1: people saying Connor and Paul were near where the throttle
35:41
Speaker 1: was and that the throttle got pushed down and then
35:43
Speaker 1: they hit the boat. Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
35:45
Speaker 1: I thought everybody had been begging Paul to slow down
35:49
Speaker 1: and quit driving, so crazily they had they had he
35:52
Speaker 1: was driving the boat well, that Paul would occasionally go
35:56
Speaker 1: up and fight with his girlfriend pusher and spin on her,
36:01
Speaker 1: and then while he was doing that, Connor was driving
36:04
Speaker 1: with Paul would come back and take over again. And then,
36:06
Speaker 1: like you said, the one girl sho put a blanket
36:08
Speaker 1: over her head so she couldn't see, and another one
36:10
Speaker 1: was down in the bottom of the boat because they
36:12
Speaker 1: were scared. So he's like, I can't tell you for
36:15
Speaker 1: sure who hit the throttle until the next day. Then
36:18
Speaker 1: one of people the boat said it was definitely Paul,
36:21
Speaker 1: So there's one There was a definite Paul on there,
36:24
Speaker 1: but Paul said it wasn't him, and Connor said it
36:26
Speaker 1: wasn't him, but Connor didn't point the finger at Paul. Okay,
36:29
Speaker 1: other than trying to place the blame on Connor Cook,
36:32
Speaker 1: what more can you tell me of the most recent
36:34
Speaker 1: developments in the investigation. I think the latest is, you know,
36:38
Speaker 1: you've gone through a lot of it right now and
36:41
Speaker 1: we're still wait to see if they were released the
36:44
Speaker 1: death certificates for Maggie. If you may put a find
36:46
Speaker 1: something on that of interest, but that hasn't been released
36:50
Speaker 1: it and we're not sure why. I find that very unusual.
36:53
Speaker 1: What about it, Jes Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator.
36:55
Speaker 1: You've got the autopsy report on the sun, why not
36:58
Speaker 1: the bomb. I would think that unless something super bizarre
37:02
Speaker 1: is going on with the mom, that it should be
37:05
Speaker 1: released within a matter of days. The only thing I
37:07
Speaker 1: can think of is, you know, we're talking about a
37:10
Speaker 1: homicide and we're talking about a female that is one
37:13
Speaker 1: of the victims, and unless they were doing a rape
37:14
Speaker 1: kid or something. But I can't imagine that why they
37:17
Speaker 1: would delay releasing her death certificate because all indications at
37:22
Speaker 1: this point in time indicate that she was shot in
37:25
Speaker 1: multiple times as well, just like her own son. So
37:28
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a headscratcher as to why they
37:30
Speaker 1: haven't released it yet, and under the law, they're not
37:32
Speaker 1: under any timeline to release it. It's not like you
37:36
Speaker 1: can put a fire under their rear end and release
37:39
Speaker 1: the autopsy report back to you, Matt Harris, So we're
37:42
Speaker 1: waiting on Maggie's autopsy report. We understand there's an attempt
37:46
Speaker 1: to frame Connor Cook. We know that the felony charges
37:50
Speaker 1: against his son and the voting crash Palm or Jock
37:53
Speaker 1: haven't been dropped. He's dead. You can't go forward. I
37:56
Speaker 1: assume the civil suits still in place. What else can
37:59
Speaker 1: you tell me, Matt? You know, I agree with what
38:02
Speaker 1: the guests were saying that I think Sled and the
38:06
Speaker 1: investigative agencies know a lot more than they're saying, and
38:10
Speaker 1: I really do think that they have some idea of
38:13
Speaker 1: where they're going with the investigation. Well, we can only
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Speaker 1: hope and pray, We wait as justice unfolds. Fancy Grace
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