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The Pundies: Worst Takes of 2024 · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Levitt.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Detour.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: Well, guys, we made it.
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  Speaker 3: It's our last show of 2024. Both have hats.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the tribe has spoken?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: I've been saving these for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: We thought we'd get a little more mileage out of them,
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  Speaker 3: but it turns.
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  Speaker 2: Out it's short but sweet.
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  Speaker 3: Like the Viagra of Etsy purchases, you know? One-time deal. Well,
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  Speaker 3: they look great. It's going to deliver.
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  Speaker 2: It's just for those listening at home, they both, after
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  Speaker 2: we began, they both.
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  Speaker 2: Put on their The Tribe Has Spoken hats.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Not one for Dan. They didn't get Dan in on this.
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  Speaker 1: We've been saving them for this occasion.
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  Speaker 4: My task is to remind people because it was so
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  Speaker 4: long ago that you were on Survivor at one point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the season just ended this week, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's right. The finale was last night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And many months ago, I was on Survivor.
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  Speaker 4: You're still in the intro because I turned on the TV.
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  Speaker 5: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: It was on and there you are.
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  Speaker 1: I saw a picture of you embracing your nemesis slash frenemy,
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  Speaker 1: old friend. Best friend turned frenemy turned what? Now we're
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  Speaker 1: friends again?
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  Speaker 2: You know, Andy's out there living his dream, and then
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. But no, but I have a picture of
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  Speaker 2: our meeting, which was funny.
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  Speaker 4: It was a meeting.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw all the... My fellow castmates.
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  Speaker 4: Do they remember you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they remember me. You remember me, short guy, first day?
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  Speaker 2: You're a producer, right?
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  Speaker 3: Pod something?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Podcast? You did a podcast?
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: It's our last show of 2024 and that means it's
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  Speaker 1: our annual Pundies episode where we will rank the very
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  Speaker 1: worst takes from a very bad year, including our own,
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  Speaker 1: if they could find any. We'll also do our annual
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  Speaker 1: New Year's resolutions, which we Always break and always forget.
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  Speaker 1: Not to suggest that anything is more important than dunking
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  Speaker 1: on each other's worst moments, guys, but as we're recording
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  Speaker 1: this on Thursday afternoon LA time, the US government is
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  Speaker 1: basically in total chaos and non-essential functions may shut down
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  Speaker 1: just in time for the biggest travel week of the year,
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  Speaker 1: all because Elon Musk tweeted us to the precipice of
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  Speaker 1: a government shutdown. I think because he thought the funding
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  Speaker 1: bill had too many pages. He was upset with the
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  Speaker 1: height of the... The height of the stack of paper
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  Speaker 1: was upsetting to him.
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  Speaker 2: Aesthetically not pleasing.
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  Speaker 1: So he started tweeting, and then Trump got involved, and
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  Speaker 1: then they killed this bill that had been negotiated with
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  Speaker 1: both parties very carefully it was going to pass.
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  Speaker 3: Killed the bill.
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  Speaker 1: Then now, as we're recording, there's a new bill. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: seem like they have the Republican votes for that or
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic votes for that. And the government runs out
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  Speaker 1: of money Friday night.
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  Speaker 2: And who is the current president? And is that person
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  Speaker 2: involved at all? Do we know what that person thinks
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  Speaker 2: about this? There was a statement from the White House
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday evening.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: That's all we've heard. President Trump's been doing some posting
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  Speaker 1: some truths. Elon Musk has been tweeting up a storm.
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  Speaker 8: J.D.
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  Speaker 1: Vance, I think, has been tweeting.
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  Speaker 3: My favorite part is when Vivek pretends he's an equal
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  Speaker 3: partner in this Doge thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Just like he's like, you know, Elon walks around
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  Speaker 3: with his kid on his shoulders at all times. That's
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  Speaker 3: his little silly guy.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I guess in the old version and the
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  Speaker 1: new version, the new version of the bill, which doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's going to go anywhere that that Trump
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  Speaker 1: and Musk approve of the big changes. They were able
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  Speaker 1: to eliminate funding for childhood cancer research.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to stop.
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  Speaker 1: So that losers, kids with cancer, winners, pharmaceutical middlemen. pharma
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  Speaker 1: managers and China. Now we're allowed to invest more in China.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny that Elon Musk does a lot of business
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  Speaker 3: in China, a lot of factories, a lot of Teslas
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  Speaker 3: would want restrictions on US outbound investment in China to
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  Speaker 3: get knocked out of the bill.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's a coincidence. So that's what we're watching. Merry Christmas, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Wonder how it turns out.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, what do you think? Anything?
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  Speaker 4: I think that there has been a lot of criticism
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  Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party and on this podcast about Joe
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  Speaker 4: Biden's absence from the scene. It is time to make
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  Speaker 4: a bug a feature. And let's let Donald Trump own
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  Speaker 4: this shutdown. This is between Mike Johnson, Donald Trump, Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 4: Have to figure this out amongst themselves. Let them do it.
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  Speaker 4: And if they don't, this is on them.
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  Speaker 1: You boys work it out. The new click. Okay. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to the good stuff. So we have not
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  Speaker 1: seen any of the takes or categories in advance. So
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  Speaker 1: without further ado, I'm going to turn it over to
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  Speaker 1: our guest host, the Take Master General himself. Elijah Cohn.
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  Speaker 1: Elijah looking good.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you. Yes, I did put on my tux. This
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  Speaker 9: is the biggest night of the year for me. We've
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  Speaker 9: never done a pundies after an election loss, let alone
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  Speaker 9: one like this. So I was so thrilled when this
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  Speaker 9: got put on my plate. So fun. Such a fun
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  Speaker 9: year to reminisce. Here's how it will work. We're going
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  Speaker 9: to go through a number of categories for Bad Punditry.
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  Speaker 9: I'll read you a take. You'll react and we'll go
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  Speaker 9: on to the next take. At the end, you'll decide
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  Speaker 9: who won the category. The category winners will compete at
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  Speaker 9: the end for worst take of the year. Have you
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  Speaker 9: guys seen a dog show? It's like a dog show format.
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  Speaker 1: You've said this a few times.
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  Speaker 2: He's saying that first, you know, first you put up
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  Speaker 2: the sporting dogs up to the little dogs. Then you
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  Speaker 2: got your other dogs and then the best dog in
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  Speaker 2: each category, you know, pugs and so forth. They all
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  Speaker 2: go head to head in a final category where you're deciding.
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  Speaker 3: Squeeze their nuts while you judge them so they don't move.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And where a group of adults decide whether or not
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  Speaker 2: a Shih Tzu is better or worse than a Labrador.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no, this one's better.
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  Speaker 4: Stupid.
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  Speaker 1: The answer is worse.
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  Speaker 9: Well, let's kick things off then.
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  Speaker 10: For sure.
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  Speaker 9: We'll start out for an easy topic. This is kind
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  Speaker 9: of to whet our take appetites from the beginning of
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  Speaker 9: the year. The presidential primaries. Remember those?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't really have one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't have none on our side.
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  Speaker 3: Dean Phillips?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, Dean Phillips is part of this. Here's a couple
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  Speaker 9: of takes. Let's start off with this piece from The Hill.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 9: After Trump wrapped up the nomination, a piece titled, quote,
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  Speaker 9: Trump's GOP is already dying. Here's an excerpt read by
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  Speaker 9: one of our wonderful Pod Save America producers.
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  Speaker 11: Republicans have built themselves a party whose sole purpose is
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  Speaker 11: to appease and gratify Trump. In the process, they're quickly
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  Speaker 11: losing appeal to anyone else in America, including some of
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  Speaker 11: the party's most faithful warriors. The MAGA movement, once so
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  Speaker 11: skilled at enforcing loyalty, is cracking.
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  Speaker 4: Great reading.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, that was beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: It's Grammy for spoken word.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like, is that Adrian? That was Adrian, right?
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Voice for radio.
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  Speaker 3: You got it.
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  Speaker 1: Who was that? Is that how?
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  Speaker 3: What are we doing here?
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  Speaker 2: We're not guessing.
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  Speaker 9: I figured you guys would be.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing the winning take.
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  Speaker 9: I figured you guys would react to each take as
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  Speaker 9: we go, but we could just do them all.
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  Speaker 4: But I figured.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not like a guess who did the.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no. Just reacting to the take.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My reaction is that one didn't pan out.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a theme, Tommy. Would
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  Speaker 2: that it were.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there was a lot of that going around.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of that.
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  Speaker 1: Probably some on this very podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Some wish casting.
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  Speaker 2: We're always talking about the cracks showing. This is America.
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  Speaker 2: We don't care about cracks.
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  Speaker 1: I think we had like 45 episodes that had some
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  Speaker 1: kind of title about like, Trump grip on the GOP loosens.
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  Speaker 4: Question mark. But we always put a question mark.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 4: To protect ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: And boy, was that answered.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We're just asking questions on this podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 9: Next up, we have billionaire Bill Ackman talking about Dean
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  Speaker 9: Phillips' chances to win the Democratic primary ahead of Michigan's primary.
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  Speaker 9: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 12: Biden's doing very poorly in Michigan. His polls are terrible.
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  Speaker 12: The Muslim community is not happy with him. And he
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  Speaker 12: really has spent no time there. And so if he's
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  Speaker 12: embarrassed in Michigan, it could be a catalyst for him withdrawing.
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  Speaker 12: Then Dean will get funding. If he wins Michigan or
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  Speaker 12: shows well in Michigan- And people say he's viable. He's
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  Speaker 12: the only choice we have. He'll attract from the center.
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  Speaker 12: He'll attract from people, Republicans who won't vote for Trump,
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  Speaker 12: which they're a big percentage, could be 60% or more.
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  Speaker 12: It could be 70% won't vote for Trump. And also
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  Speaker 12: from the Democrats. So I think he's a really interesting candidate.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's just premature.
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  Speaker 4: If only.
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  Speaker 1: If only.
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  Speaker 3: You got the top right, you're just wrong. Not the primary,
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  Speaker 3: the general. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Ackman never misses.
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  Speaker 2: That honestly, it's like that, that take has that take
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  Speaker 2: it was, it aged poorly and then it aged well again.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it, no, it started well. It started off.
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  Speaker 1: If you'd cut the first 20 seconds of that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess because he didn't, he didn't end up competing
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Well, I guess what I mean is just that
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  Speaker 2: like the, the liabilities he was describing were correct. They
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  Speaker 2: ultimately did. become Kamala's liabilities and cost us the country.
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  Speaker 2: So there was some truth in that.
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  Speaker 1: But Dean.
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  Speaker 3: But Dean Phillips wasn't the way.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't the way.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't the way. Cassandra, if you will.
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  Speaker 4: The best part about that take, or the worst part,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, is the way in which Bill Ackman speaks
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  Speaker 4: so confidently about something he does not understand at all.
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  Speaker 4: It's like if I decided to just expound on astrophysics
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  Speaker 4: on this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that is his brand. That is Elon's brand.
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  Speaker 1: That is the brand of all the bros, the billionaires
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  Speaker 1: who are running the government now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they're smarter than they seem. They're
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  Speaker 2: having a better holiday than we are.
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  Speaker 9: And to round out the category here, we have another
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  Speaker 9: piece from the hill that was recommended. after the election,
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  Speaker 9: but it's about the 2028 primaries. It's titled America Needs
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  Speaker 9: Another Reagan. Nikki Haley is already following his path to power.
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  Speaker 9: The piece, as you might imagine, is about how Nikki
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  Speaker 9: Haley is poised to win the 2028 Republican nomination. Here's
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  Speaker 9: an excerpt.
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  Speaker 13: The 2024 election might go down as the first podcast election.
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  Speaker 13: Trump benefited from appearing on podcasts like The Ben Shapiro Show,
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  Speaker 13: Tim Pool interviewed him, and his appearances on Theo Vaughn
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  Speaker 13: and Joe Rogan helped secure his victory. During the election,
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  Speaker 13: Harris was tepid about doing podcasts and leaned more toward
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  Speaker 13: the mainstream media, which appears to have cost her. Haley,
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  Speaker 13: on the other hand, understands the appeal and has started
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  Speaker 13: her own podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Again, on the way to a good take. I was
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  Speaker 1: going to say, I love these takes that are, like,
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  Speaker 1: mostly right, and then... Yeah, you're like, crashes into a
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  Speaker 1: wall right at the end.
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  Speaker 2: Right at the end there. Couldn't stick the landing. Couldn't
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  Speaker 2: stick the landing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, look, her podcast has rocketed up
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  Speaker 1: the charts.
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  Speaker 3: What is her show called? I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Has anyone heard it?
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  Speaker 2: It's actually called Call Her Nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Is what it's called.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait. for five years from now when we're
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  Speaker 4: doing this exact podcast to look back on our response.
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  Speaker 4: The worst pun take will be our take about this
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  Speaker 4: in our incoming president-elect, Nikki Haley.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she's really kept... Has she said anything
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  Speaker 1: since the... I mean, I guess it just shows her reach.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you anything that Nikki Haley has said
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  Speaker 1: or made news on her podcast. Anyway, we wish her
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  Speaker 1: the best.
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  Speaker 3: Nikki, come on. Come on, Pod Save America.
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  Speaker 2: She's in the quiet car of the Trump train.
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  Speaker 9: So who wins the category?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's called Nikki Haley Live. I think it's on SiriusXM.
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  Speaker 3: It's a show.
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  Speaker 4: It's a radio show.
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  Speaker 3: It's our sister show.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, those are the cross promos we've been doing.
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  Speaker 3: Who was the first one?
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  Speaker 1: The first one was the worst, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the first one was just wrong. Just completely wrong.
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  Speaker 1: What was the first one?
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  Speaker 9: Trump's GOP is already dying.
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  Speaker 3: Trump's GOP is cracking.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that has to be the... That's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one that we can be sure of.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us who authored that?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, I can.
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  Speaker 4: Please tell me it wasn't an issue of MessageBox.
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  Speaker 1: And can you also tell us how many more takes
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  Speaker 1: from The Hill are we going to do?
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 9: We're done with The Hill.
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  Speaker 3: Hill to die on.
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  Speaker 4: Who was it, Elijah? That's right.
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  Speaker 9: Max Burns.
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  Speaker 3: The Hill.
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  Speaker 5: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: Max Burns.
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  Speaker 1: Max Burns.
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  Speaker 2: The hill uh uh washington's second choice to read on
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  Speaker 2: the toilet.
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  Speaker 4: Right i think it's like third or fourth now you
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  Speaker 4: guys didn't get the memo that we're doing all hill
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  Speaker 4: takes for the pundies this.
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  Speaker 1: Year justice for roll call.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah that's what i'm saying all right let's get to
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  Speaker 9: the good stuff appetizers eaten here come the main course
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  Speaker 9: the worst polling take of the year.
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  Speaker 1: This was a terrible from polar coaster This was.
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  Speaker 9: A terrible year for polling, or was it? Cross tabs
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  Speaker 9: are in the eye of the beholder. Let's take a
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  Speaker 9: look at the worst polling takes of the year. First up,
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  Speaker 9: we have Nate Silver. Nate's modeling was actually pretty accurate
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  Speaker 9: this cycle, but in October, he got in a Twitter
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  Speaker 9: fight where he made a big bet with a super
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  Speaker 9: rich investor named Keith Rabois. Here's the exchange, which will
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  Speaker 9: be done in a dramatic reading by our producers, Saul
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  Speaker 9: and Farod.
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  Speaker 1: Nate, you are a buffoon.
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  Speaker 8: Minimum Trump win in Florida is 8 points and more
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  Speaker 8: likely 10 to 14 points.
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  Speaker 14: Dude, you've got to stop huffing the Twitter vibes. How
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  Speaker 14: much money are you willing to bet on a Trump
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  Speaker 14: plus 8 point spread in Florida?
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  Speaker 3: 100K.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, have your lawyer drop a quick contract and it's
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  Speaker 14: a deal. nate.silver.media at gmail.com. No contract, no bet, because
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  Speaker 14: you've been nutty lately and are a payment risk.
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  Speaker 9: Donald Trump won Florida by 13 points.
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  Speaker 2: Did we ever get confirmation as to whether there was
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  Speaker 2: a deal? I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what happened is this was revisited. I
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  Speaker 1: hate that I know this. This was revisited when the
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  Speaker 1: New York Times, the other Nate, dropped a poll about Florida,
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  Speaker 1: a Florida poll in the weeks before the election that
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  Speaker 1: showed Trump, I think, up 13 in that poll?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, 13.
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  Speaker 1: And so when Nate dropped this poll, then everyone started
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  Speaker 1: ragging on Nate Silver about the bet, but I don't
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: think the bet had happened.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Well, lucky for Nate.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's efficient, but boy, is that a
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: bad take.
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: God, just the confidence, too.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, how many of us have had takes that
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: we were so sure of, we put $ 100, 000 on the line?
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: It's also just like, even where there are times where
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I feel sure of something, I'm so chastened by the
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: history of recent events and my awareness that the future
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: will come. You will have to measure it against what
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: you thought in the past.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, next.
• 14:58
  Speaker 9: Our next take is for a really nerdy topic for
• 15:01
  Speaker 9: the polling sickos. Here's serial polling poster Adam Carlson talking
• 15:05
  Speaker 9: about race depolarization, the theory that Trump wouldn't win a
• 15:09
  Speaker 9: larger share of the black vote.
• 15:12
  Speaker 15: Speaking as a pollster, it's wild to me that people
• 15:15
  Speaker 15: take early polling at face value without question, even at
• 15:19
  Speaker 15: the subgroup level. Believing wholeheartedly we're about to undergo mass
• 15:24
  Speaker 15: racial depolarization simply because the polls told me so is
• 15:28
  Speaker 15: an easy way to look silly in November.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you to whoever found this one.
• 15:34
  Speaker 9: You're welcome.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Look, you know, to his credit, did not put $ 100, 000
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: behind it.
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: And I think admitted he was wrong in the end.
• 15:47
  Speaker 9: Yes, to his credit, he did tweet out verbatim, I
• 15:49
  Speaker 9: was wrong about race depolarization.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Race step. Race step for the real nerds. That's what
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: they were all calling it, mockingly.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even more importantly, it's a huge problem for
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the country, what's happening.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Although I think less racial polarization is helpful. I don't
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: think we want to be polarized by race. It's not
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: helpful for us right now.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, in the battleground states.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: It would be a less divided country if we were
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: all Republicans, but that's also not the world I want
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: to live in.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Just because we have trouble now getting white people to
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: vote for us and black people.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: And Latino people.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm calling that a problem.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we just suck.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Anywho, what else you got?
• 16:31
  Speaker 9: You knew this was coming. A couple of days before
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: the election, Ann Seltzer dropped her famous Iowa poll. It
• 16:36
  Speaker 9: had Kamala Harris leading Trump by three in Iowa. In reality,
• 16:40
  Speaker 9: Harris lost in Iowa to Trump by over 13 points.
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: Trump is now suing Ann Seltzer.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Because of this.
• 16:48
  Speaker 9: Here's a clip from friend of the pod, Sarah Longwell,
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: reacting to the poll when it came out.
• 16:53
  Speaker 16: She's not been the wrong one. There have been times
• 16:55
  Speaker 16: where she has produced things that look like outlier results.
• 16:59
  Speaker 16: And what pollsters learn is that when Ann Seltzer's poll
• 17:03
  Speaker 16: looks like an outlier, you better shift your polls to
• 17:06
  Speaker 16: think more like hers. It doesn't go the other way.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: The rare take that will appear on the pundies and
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: in Discovery. A take so bad it might get you
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: thrown in jail. In Sarah Longwell's defense, she was right there.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, Seltzer has historically been right. She has been
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: someone who's been willing to put out polls that did
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: not match The herded class. But yeah, it ended up being.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Very, very rough.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Look, we all saw it. We were getting on a
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: plane to Vegas from Phoenix. And we were cheering. We
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: were excited. We got ourselves.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: It was exciting. It was quite exciting.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like the interpretation that Sarah has there
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: is completely fine. The hope that Seltzer was right is
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: completely fine. She's taken enough shit for this poll. And
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: she had the kind of courage of her convictions to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: do a poll the way she was accustomed to doing it.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: taking what the data showed her and releasing it, which
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: is what a lot of pollsters refuse to do, which
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: is why all the polls heard. She got this one wrong,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: but it may just be truly one of those things
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: where there was an outlier, which should happen in a
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: lot more polls.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Whose take are we judging, Sarah?
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: I think this one goes to Anne.
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Anne's poll was wrong. Lock her up.
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: We have one more in this category. Sometimes the worst
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: polling takes are to bail on the polls altogether and
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: come up with your own pseudoscience method of predicting elections.
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: Professor Alan Lichtman is a man who claimed to have
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: a system like that called the 13 Keys. He became
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: quite a character in this cycle with many takes and posts,
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: but here's one example that we particularly enjoyed of him
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: getting into a fight with Nate Silver.
• 18:40
  Speaker 13: Nate Silver claims to have applied my keys to predict
• 18:43
  Speaker 13: a Trump victory. He doesn't have the faintest idea how
• 18:46
  Speaker 13: to turn the keys. He's not a historian or a
• 18:49
  Speaker 13: political scientist. He has no academic credentials. He'll be wrong
• 18:53
  Speaker 13: again in trying to analyze the keys.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is tough.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: No, I actually don't think it is. I think it's
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the fucking keys. It's definitely the keys.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: That's where I was leaning.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: That's where I was leaning. I mean, like, Ann Seltzer
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: is being sued and did have the biggest mist from
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the best pollster ever. But, again, she said, when she
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: put out the poll, it could be an outlier and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I'd be comfortable with that. Like, she actually.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: She made a joke. She said, you'll distribute my ashes
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: over Des Moines. And now that's what the lawyers will do.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So, you know what? It's Alan Lichtman. Hands down.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Because, you know what?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Because.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: We're people. People make mistakes. People get things wrong. The
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: best methods lead to an incorrect result. But you have
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the humility and the expertise to put behind it and
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the rigor. This guy's running out there being like, I've
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: been in the sarcophagus and found the secret eye that
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: tells you how politics will be in the future. And
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: it's just embarrassing.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I love making up your own system. It's like a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: degenerate gambler. It's like, I always hit on red sevens.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: It's muddy at the beltway.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And honestly, Nate Silver, while spectacularly wrong about Florida and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: putting $ 100, 000 on it, you know, I guess I have
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: a little respect for putting the $ 100, 000 on an event
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in public. I mean, I don't know if he actually
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: did it, but even saying that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: The rest of us are cowards before time.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: So Alan Lichtman, winner.
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: There you go. Congratulations.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Or loser, depending on how you think about it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: Do you think Trump will sue Alan Lichtman?
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, I hope so. Is that the wrong approach?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I think he'll end up being commerce secretary.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: Let's move on to a category that you guys did
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: request this year, the worst Blue Anon slash Blue MAGA
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: discourse of the year, if you don't know. Blue Anon
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: and Blue Mag are what they sound like, just pro-Biden
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: right-wing influencers that are dyed in the wool, willing to
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: go to the mat for the president. Let's get into it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: First up is a post from pro-Biden influencer Chris Boozy
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: responding to the calls for Biden to step down.
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: What Democrats are doing to Biden and Harris is no
• 20:54
  Speaker 11: different than what Republicans tried to do on Jan 6.
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: The only difference is no one is storming the Capitol building.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That is a key difference. The difference. I think I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was told by this person directly that I was January
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: 6th thing, Joe Biden. As were all of you.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Man, you were deep in your mentions. You could pull
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: off off memory a Chris Busey take.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Chris Busey has quite a few followers, Dan. Quite a
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: few followers.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: The this is an insurrection commentary was some of the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: dumbest fucking shit. And like the indignity of having to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: actually walk through why it's so fucking stupid i don't
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: think we even have to i don't think we ever
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: had to we never did so stupid if you're you're
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: either stupid enough to believe it or you're full of
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: shit and i don't need i don't need to convince
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: any of those.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: People yeah you know if you think that uh trying
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: to pressure biden to step down was like january 6th
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: agree to disagree.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah good luck and good luck in life i hope
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: you figure out how to tie your shoes.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: Next is a post from a now deleted account that
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: shows the direction that the conversation took in the days
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: post Biden and Trump debate. Let's take a listen.
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: My guess is some top media owners were on Epstein Island.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: They're taking down Biden and democracy to save their own skin.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: This is so good. So good. I remember this one.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: OK, so let's do another take, but this time kind
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of more throw it away.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Um, who was that?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Who was that?
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: They deleted their account. We couldn't find who it was.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Their script.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So this is somebody claiming that it's a conspiracy on
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Epstein's Island to remove Joe Biden?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Again, I remember.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I think I have this one saved somewhere.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Missed it. Missed it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Do we think this person really thought this or they
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: were just going for a game? Yeah, just trolling.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I remember being struck by who it was. So they
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: might've deleted their account, but it was not some like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: rando with two followers. It was like a, it was being,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: It was being retweeted.
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: I think it was called like St. Ashley's stair car.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: Yes.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: That's a deep poll.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: It was like a, I think it was like a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: K high person.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: John, I don't want to fast forward ahead to the
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: resolution part of this, but I have some ideas for you.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I think you do.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: That is chilling. The two of you calling that name
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: out there and being like, I remember who said it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It was this, that is chilling.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: If, if, If the text exchanges between Elijah and I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: end up in Discovery, this is what it's going to show.
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: Don't let them shame you, John.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: Next is a post from a very popular Resist account,
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: Seth Abramson. Let's take a listen.
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: No. The call for Biden to step down is not organic.
• 23:44
  Speaker 14: It is the closest thing to an internal coup America
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: has seen since what Trump tried to do at DOJ
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: in 2020.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I mean....
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I want to know, did Chris Boozy go first or
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: did he go first? Did Seth Abramson go first? Because
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they're very similar.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of blue maga going on.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: January 6th, the coup.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't an original thought. It was sort
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of the dumbest thing you could pull for in the moment.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very frustrating and stupid.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I do think Seth Abramson's been on the mark, you know?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Time for some game theory.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: No, he's not the game theory guy.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: What happened to that guy? Where'd that guy go?
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: That guy's, I think, I believe.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Fully red-pilled now.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, that checks out. That checks.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: He's Tulsi's deputy at DNI. Now it's really time for
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: some game theory.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: And last, we have a super viral post from an
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: influencer named Tristan Snell. It's a photo of you guys,
• 24:41
  Speaker 9: Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, Rob Reiner, John Cusack, Chris Hayes,
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: Stephen King, Michael Moore, Seth Meyers, and George Clooney. The
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: caption simply reads, these are the folks calling for Biden
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: to quit. Gosh, if only there was something they all
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: had in common. Playing on the discourse of that time
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: that it was racist to call for Joe Biden to
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: step down in favor of Kamala Harris.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: The kicker is Tristan Snell is white.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: For sure he is.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Another kicker, Kamala Harris, black.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: That's also an important thing to know.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Biden, white.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty white. That one wins for me because when
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you think of the most ridiculous theory, Joe Biden should
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: not run for reelection as racist.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I think is number one. It was pretty bad.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: A white guy accusing other white guys of being racist
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: for trying to dethrone a white guy. It reminds me
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: of this other, like you'll see like a white male
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: comedian refer to white women and make fun of them
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: because he knows he can't say women. And so he
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: has to add the white so that he can make
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: fun of women. You know, it's like, I'm suspicious.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I'm suspicious.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Color me suspicious.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: That was a good one.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I think that wins for me as well.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: That also was a moment where also the worm kind
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: of turned.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I was just like, are we really doing this?
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: The replies to that tweet were actually encouraging about the
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: future of the internet.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will say, I'm not even going to
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: name the person. There was a member of Congress who,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: who went on CNN and not only said that it
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: was racist to call on Joe Biden to step down,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: but that it was ableist, right?
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, no.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: And you know what?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I would like a cogent, comprehensible president. If that
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: makes me an ableist, so be it. If that's what
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: ableism means now, then I'm an ableist.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It was ableist.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: So we're crowning Tristan Snell to move on to the
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: best in show category.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, great. Let's move on. It's a great tweet.
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: To worst discourse of the year. This is a little different.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: This is good.
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: We're not just going to do a single take. We're
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: going to sample a take and then talk about the
• 26:55
  Speaker 9: whole discourse because 2024 was quite a year for discourse,
• 26:59
  Speaker 9: much like the toilet is quite a place for shit.
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: And if that comparison left a bad taste in your mouth,
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: get ready to pucker up for these.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: First up– What else do you want in the toilet, Elijah?
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: Hallie wrote that. Shout out, Hallie.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: That was a good.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: One.
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: First up, we have the debate commission discourse. Joe Biden
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: and Donald Trump organized their own debates this year instead
• 27:22
  Speaker 9: of working through the nonpartisan debate commission. Many pearls were clutched.
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: But here's a particularly wonderful string of buzzwords from New
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: Jersey Assemblyman and RFK Junior Advisor Jamel Hawley. He called
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: the Commission on Presidential Debates, quote, an institution that has
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: stood as a beacon of nonpartisanship before saying this.
• 27:42
  Speaker 15: Regrettably, the sanctity and integrity of the debate process are
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: now facing mounting challenges as political operatives discreetly maneuver behind
• 27:51
  Speaker 15: the scenes to undermine the established norms and protocols that
• 27:54
  Speaker 15: have long governed these crucial events.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: So the discourse is skipping the debate commission?
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the norms and the protocols and rep the debate commission.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So that was about RFK Jr. believing, according to the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: rules that have traditionally been used, that he would have
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: gotten a slot at a presidential debate, which might be true.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And then there was a separate discourse about whether it
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: was bad for the country that the debate commission was
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: basically ignored, and then the candidates spoke directly and figured
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: out debates with the networks, right?
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: The Commission on Presidential Debates was formed in 1987. This
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: isn't like the founding fathers. What are we talking about here?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Who also didn't get a lot right either. Okay.
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: That's a little warm-up discourse. You guys want to get
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: to the real shit?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: It's a real discourse, yeah.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: An amuse-bouche.
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: All right. Next up, we have Chapel Row not endorsing
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: Kamala Harris forcefully enough. This was a moment that combined
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: several issues, Israel and Gaza, LGTBQ rights, the youth vote,
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: and the importance of celebrity endorsements. Let's take a listen.
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: Here's Chapel Road.
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: Actions speak louder than an endorsement. Here's the full quote
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: that a lot of people are just not reading. I
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: have so many issues with our government in every way,
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: she says. There are so many things that I would
• 29:15
  Speaker 10: want to change, so I don't feel pressured to endorse someone.
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: There's problems on both sides, and I encourage people to
• 29:21
  Speaker 10: use your critical thinking skills. Use your vote.
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: Vote small.
• 29:25
  Speaker 10: Vote for what's going on in your city. The change
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: she wants to.
• 29:28
  Speaker 17: See in the U.S.
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: Is This election year, she says, instantly is trans rights.
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: They cannot have cis people making decisions for trans people, period. So,
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: hear from my mouth, if you're still wondering. No, I'm
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: not voting for Trump. And yes, I will always question
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: those in power. I'm sorry that you fell for the clickbait.
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: That kicked off a shitstorm for a week.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: You know, the whole thing was so everything about it
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: was stupid. Everything about it was frustrating. Like, I love
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Chapel Roan. I think Chapel Roan, like a lot of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the people criticizing Chapel Roan should go outside and touch grass.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: And like, I'm being perfectly clear. And then kind of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: like a pundit, just like fucking losing it. being like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: how dare you misinterpret my completely elliptical and confusing way
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of talking about politics. Allow me to make myself perfectly clear.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I'm once again going to say something similar that's very
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: hard to interpret. It was like, for no one. And
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: it's like, you're not a political expert. You're putting yourself
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: out there. You became incredibly famous in this year. That
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: must be an insane amount of pressure. Why are we
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: doing this?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Well, now that we can look back on the race,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I think we would all agree that celebrity endorsements were
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the difference maker.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: That's true too. It just depends on your celebrity.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Winners, Hulk Hogan, Joe Rogan.
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: Losers, Taylor Swift, Beyonce.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Fully opted out of this discourse at the time. Me too.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I paid no attention to it. I mentally muted the
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: whole thing for a week. I did too.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I think like the bigger thing to take from it,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: it's not like this one moment about Chapel Rome, but like,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you know, like there was like a big chunk of people, like,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: The people that got behind Trump were super excited and
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: gung-ho about it. A few people were like that about Kamala,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: but there were a lot of people like Chapel Roan
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that felt like it was uncool or problematic to full-throatedly
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: get behind a Democrat. And I would like that to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: not be true in the future. It'd be great if
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: we were a movement where Chapel Roan was excited and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it was valuable for her to be a part of
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: it and in both directions. That'd be cool. That'd be nice.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Boy, would it. Boy, would it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: What a discourse.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: Next up, we have the discourse, should Democrats be doing
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: more to reach men? Here's a tweet from our friend
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: Travis Helwig, who texted me before this to say he
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: disavows his phrasing but stands by his point.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Let's listen.
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: If Kamala loses, which is very possible, there needs to
• 32:07
  Speaker 14: be a real discussion about how Democrats speak to and
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: reach young men. There are very few straight men under
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: 40 in the Democratic consultant class, so when ads try
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: to reach young men, they come off as deeply inauthentic.
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: This spawned many responses accusing Travis of needing to shut
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: the fuck up and hating women.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Too many fags in the Democratic Party, huh, Travis?
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I think if Travis had just left out that one
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: clause about the makeup of the consultant class, he had
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: a great point, which is we didn't do great with
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: young men this cycle.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I think when you look at
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Democratic consultants, most of them are like men over 40. Right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: The under 40 men are usually operatives, staffers, stuff like that.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm 40 now. Look, Travis didn't
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: word it artfully.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You were 40.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in my 40s, I should have said. That's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: what I meant. But yeah, clearly we did have a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: problem getting men.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a huge problem.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I think it is.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I think pointing at consultants is whatever, but it's a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: collective inability to sound like normal people. Also, a bunch
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: of podcasts where it's like, hey, you come over here,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: you can say whatever you want.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: We don't care.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I don't love that. But on our side, it's like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: you better be careful. There are tripwires and you're going.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: To hit them. I will say that the gender gap,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: at least according to the exit polls, ended up being
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: not as large as the poll suggested.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: It's because we did worse with women, John. That's right.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 17: That's what I was getting at, Dan. That's what I
• 33:40
  Speaker 17: was getting at. We did worse with women. Uh, so
• 33:44
  Speaker 17: I guess we had a women problem as well. We had,
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: we look, we have, we're having a problem, a human problem.
• 33:49
  Speaker 17: We need more human, like we're having a difficulty reaching.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Voters, human beings.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: But I will say even among Gen Z, where we
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: also had a big problem, the split was the biggest
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: split was college educated, non-college educated, uh, not men, women.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: So it's, uh, and we'll see more when the data
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: comes out, but we have a problem with people who
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: don't have college degrees.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Had a problem with Travis.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And we have a big problem with Travis.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Huge problem with Travis. Who does hate women.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: We'll appreciate you saying that. Here's our last discourse in
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: a stacked category. You knew this one was coming again.
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: Should Biden drop out? You guys were subtweeted by the
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: campaign after saying he should drop out, being referenced in
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: a fundraising email as self-important podcasters. Anyone who called for
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: Biden to drop out was called traitors by several parts
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: of the internet. We read a lot of those kinds
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: of takes in our Blue Anon section. What do you
• 34:44
  Speaker 9: guys think?
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I don't have a clue.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: This is such a setup. Think about what?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Here's what I've been thinking about just as we watch
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the final few weeks of the Biden administration. And it
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: becomes clear in just these past few weeks how ridiculous
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the assertion was that he was in shape to be
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: president over the next four years. That my regret is
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that it took until not just seeing him once behind
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: the scenes when we went to the White House, not
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: just seeing him a second time when we saw him
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: at that fundraiser, but till the debate to be full-throatedly honest.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Because I feel like- Don't we this.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I wasn't there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Didn't I say I?
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I said we.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I was going to say when we saw him.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Well, some of us were there.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: He was at the Clooney fundraiser.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was at the Clooney fundraiser.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: You're part of it. You're fucking part of it. You'll
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: be on the lawsuit.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: That'll make your collective tone.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: But I think because he wasn't dropping out and it
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: seemed like a fait accompli, it was hard. We were
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: very hard on Biden and wanting him to get out
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: there to dispel questions about his age. But looking on
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: it back, could we have gotten there faster? Could we
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: have pushed harder? I don't know. But I come away
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: from that moment being like, like thinking more about how
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: we got to that place in the first place.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Joe Biden shouldn't have run again. The hard
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: part about this was what people don't remember is in
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: the 2020 primary, there was also a conversation about Joe
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Biden's age. I think we all were on the side
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: that he was probably too old to be running then,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: said as much on the show. He won the primary.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: That made them very angry. They didn't speak to us
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: for four years. And so in the midterms happened, I
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: think Joe Biden took the wrong message from in 2022
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: that Democratic success in a midterm when a bunch of completely,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: outside the mainstream, crazy Republicans ran for Senate seats and lost,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: like Dr. Oz, that it meant that the White House
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: was strong and that he should run for election. And
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: that was some sort of indication of his political strength. Obviously,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: it was not. But I felt like from my position,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: like I was wrong in 2020. Who am I going
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: to tell the incumbent president not to run for president
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: in that moment outside some sort of like major event
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: or indication. Like I think we talked- Boy, did we
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: get one of those. We talked a thousand times about
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the polling about his age, concerns about it. We would
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: constantly ask the question, how do you fix this? And
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I think almost every one of those conversations started with,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know that it is fixable, but if it is,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: here are the things I would try to do. They
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: didn't really try to do any of those things because
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: obviously there's been all this reporting now that keeping a
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: full schedule was challenging for the president, et cetera, et cetera.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: So we don't have to belabor all of this, but
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That's kind of the backstory that people don't remember.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: I just think it's worth remembering that after the debate,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Joe Biden was behind the whole time. He was behind
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: to Trump basically from the summer of 2023 onward. By
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: the time the debate was over, Joe Biden had a
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: 3% chance of winning the election. And the idea here
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: was we could not go into election with a dangerous
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: authoritarian who had a 97% chance of winning. So we
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: had to look for another option. And that option was
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Kamala Harris, who probably went into it with a 45%
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: chance of winning. And she was not able to get
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: that last 5%. But there's two questions. There is the,
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: could Joe Biden have served four more years? I think
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: the indication is pretty clearly no. And is, could Joe
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Biden have won the election? And by the time the
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: debate was over, it was obviously highly unlikely that he
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: would do so. And there is one last moment to
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: try to make a change to give us a chance
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: to win. He, in the end, weeks later than we
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: had hoped, but did step aside. Kamala Harris ran a
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: very good campaign, not a perfect one, but gave her
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: a shot to win an election in a very, very
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: tough environment. And that's sort of where we– that's where
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: we were. And I will say to all– not the
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: blue and non-people from the discourse section, but most people–
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: like there was a– could be a good faith disagreement
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: on Joe Biden's electoral chances or Kamala Harris' electoral chances.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: But in the end, most people came together to try
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: to get her elected and worked pretty.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Hard at it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I just want to say one more thing here. Like–
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, this decision was Joe Biden's and like a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: very small circle of people around him and mostly family,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: mostly family. And you know, wall street journal was out today.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: It was like, he was more cloistered in this, these
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: four years than he ever has been in his whole career.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: He had a small circle of advisors, not a lot
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of other people got in. And I remember when we
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: did a crooked offsite, like a year, more than a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: year before the election. And we did like a political
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: section where everyone could ask us questions about the coming
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: race and politics. And all you guys, our staff, like
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: peppered us with questions. Like, why is Joe Biden running?
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden's too old. And I think then we said,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: number one, no one is challenging him. No one has
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: decided to challenge him. And number two, he is deciding
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: with the people around him that he wants to run
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: for president, and he gets to decide. And people think
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: it's like the party, this, that, the other thing. He
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't even listening to members of Congress by the end.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: At the end, Chuck Schumer barely got to his house
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to try to convince him. He was like, you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: he wasn't listening to many people, so.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: But he did, but the pressure did come.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: The pressure came, but yeah, it was pretty close to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: him not doing it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: So should Joe Biden drop out worst discourse of the year?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Actually, some of the best, some of the best and most,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that was the best discourse we've ever had.
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: Okay, so Chapel Roan or Travis? Or the debate commission.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Debate commission.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Just to be nice to Travis.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Debate commission. We choose debate commission. Sometimes an ugly, shitty
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: little pug makes it to best in show, and that
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: thing never wins.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Thing?
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Debate.
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: We're really doing debate commission as the worst discourse of
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: the year?
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: That works for me.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Does it sound like it works for you, Alisha?
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was discourse, really.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: I was on paternity leave, and I was like, I
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: can't believe how many pods were talking about the debate commission.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, did we?
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: There was a lot of reminding people that they tried
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: to kill Joe Biden by not making Trump get a
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: COVID test in 2020.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: COVID test, yeah. That's right.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: That was bad. They did.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: All right. The Debate Commission. Worst discourse of the year.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Love it.
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I don't want to give Travis that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: Not Chapel Roan?
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: The most bizarre right-wing take of the year. It was
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: a banner year for right-wing takes, and I, for one,
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: thank our glistening, waxy, gray overlord Elon Musk for all
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: the accurate right-wing takes headed our way in 2025. However,
• 41:09
  Speaker 9: the right had their swings and misses, too. Hey, they
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: can't all be Tom Hanks died the first week of
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: COVID and was immediately replaced by evil Tom Hanks.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: Let's take a look. First up, we have something from
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: Favs' Close Podcast. personal friend, Jesse Waters, about commenting on birthdays.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: The oldest president in history just got a little older.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: It's Joe Biden's birthday. The big 82 for the big
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: guy and primetime would wish him a happy birthday, but
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: we have rules here.
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: Men don't wish men happy birthdays.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: What a weird thing to say.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: He's always tongue-in-cheek about those kinds of things, but it
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: is just a reminder that masculinity is a prison that
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: locks from the inside. Oh, is it gay to have
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: a birthday, fellas? Is it gay to wear pink, fellas?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Can someone note when Jesse Waters' birthday is so we
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: can all wish him a happy birthday from as many
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: people as possible?
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: That's a funny bet.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Just, you know, I feel like he, like Lovett said,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I think he needs it. July 9th.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: We got a minute.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Sounds like he needs birthday wishes from his bros.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: From his bros.
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: Close personal friend, Jon Favreau.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: Next, we have a right-wing meltdown for Taylor Swift dating
• 42:24
  Speaker 9: Travis Kelsey. There were plenty of worthy clips here, but
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: this from OAN host Allison Steinberg takes the cake. Let's
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: take a listen.
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: Well, yeah, Soros might own her music, but the devil
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: surely owns her soul. She suddenly becomes political, and now
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: she's plastered all over magazines, airports, the NFL, and now
• 42:42
  Speaker 18: even the Super Bowl. It's just 24-7 nauseating coverage. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 18: we're supposed to pretend we don't see the psyop? If
• 42:50
  Speaker 18: Taylor Swift is really owned by Soros, we might actually
• 42:54
  Speaker 18: have a rare chance to unite against him using Taylor
• 42:57
  Speaker 18: Swift as the Trojan horse. Instead of pushing the alphabet
• 43:00
  Speaker 18: mafia and murdering of babies to her fans, she should
• 43:04
  Speaker 18: be warning about the dangers of the corrupt elites. I mean,
• 43:06
  Speaker 18: that's something we could all come together on, right? But
• 43:09
  Speaker 18: of course, that'll never happen with this guy pulling the strings,
• 43:12
  Speaker 18: now will it?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, that person is crazy. I was waiting for, what
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: is the Trojan horse metaphor there?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I think it's that George Soros, via his vehicle of
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, is going to push a pro-gay, pro-trans, pro-abortion agenda.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: At the Super Bowl?
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: At the Super Bowl.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she stuck the landing on that one.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: What's the alphabet, Mafia?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: That's gay people.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: That's LGBTQ.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. That helps a little bit.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're the alphabet mafia.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Wow. That's a great for me.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: That's phenomenal.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: That's a contender.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only problem with it is it's got to
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: be some percentage performance art, right? They know what they're doing.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: They know they're like, this is so crazy and ridiculous.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: It's going to get me clicks.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. For sure. But I don't think she
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: also was sort of incomprehensible.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: It's also just like goldfish level memory. Taylor Swift has
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: endorsed Joe Biden in 2020, endorsed Marsha Blackburn's opponent, got
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: involved in a bunch of different issues. Ties does pride,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: every pride when she's on tour. This is just part
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: of her politics. In the documentary, there's a documentary about
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it where she's on film talking about why she wants
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: to talk about politics. You're just paying attention, but But like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: even though you don't have like the world exists when
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: your eyes are closed.
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: That's that's like the tour. I know this is new
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: to you, but yeah, it's not new. Right.
• 44:37
  Speaker 9: Next, we have what is quickly becoming a classic clip
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: of RFK Jr. being confronted with his own words by
• 44:43
  Speaker 9: CNN's Casey Hunt about vaccines. Let's take a listen.
• 44:47
  Speaker 12: So you have gained notoriety for your skepticism about vaccines.
• 44:51
  Speaker 18: And over the summer in an interview, you said, quote,
• 44:53
  Speaker 18: there's no vaccine that is, you know, safe and effective.
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: Do you still believe that?
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: I never said that.
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: So stop me.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: We have the clip.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Please play the clip.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: Play the whole clip. You've talked about that the media
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: slanders you by calling you an anti-vaxxer. And you've said
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: that you're not anti-vaccine. You're pro-safe vaccine. Difficult question. Can
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: you name any vaccines that you think are good?
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: averting more problems than they're causing. There's no vaccine that is,
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: you know, safe and effective.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: So you did say it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: Do you still believe it?
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: Well, here's what I would say. First of all, I'm
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: not anti-vaccine.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: How is that statement not anti-vaccine? Not anti-vaccine. I just
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: think it will kill you, which I will repeat to
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: everyone I see.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Boy, do I feel safe.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: There's a fallacy in philosophy that Tom will remember from
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: his studies, which is, it's called no true Scotsman. No
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: true Scotsman, which is, he says, I'm not against vaccines.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: He's like, well, you've said this or that. I'm just
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: for safe vaccines. Well, can you name any safe vaccines? No,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I'm for safe vaccines, but there are no safe vaccines.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: What about this vaccine? Well, that's not a truly safe vaccine.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: What about this vaccine? It's not a truly safe vaccine.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: It's a way of claiming something while never actually allowing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It to be true. Sounds like Twitter.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Fun.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Guy's going to be in charge of the water.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Enjoy, everybody. It's very bad.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Drink up.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Drink up. Drink while you can.
• 46:29
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Get all those shots.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: 30 years from now, everyone's teeth are going to fall
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: out of their fucking face and be like, I wonder
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: why this happened.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: This is a good example of where we need members
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of Congress to for once be really disciplined at his
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: confirmation hearing and not give speeches and just be like
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: prosecutors narrowing in, asking him question after question to try
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: to get him to say what he really thinks. Because
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: he's also said that He thinks the polio vaccine killed many,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: many more people than polio ever did. You know, he
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: says things like he has this veneer of just asking
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: questions or I'm, you know, I just want more data
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: or research. But underneath that are really radical views and
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: they just got to tease him out of them.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: You know, that's a great point, Tommy. It's not this
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: is going to bug me because like the January 6th
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: committee now all facing jail time. The January 6th committee, like,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: that was the first set of hearings where I was like, oh,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: they finally nailed it. They didn't go every member on
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the panel giving their big, long speeches, doing this, putting
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: on their dog and pony show. It's like they had
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a plan. They stuck to the plan. They got right
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: to it. It was good TV. Wouldn't it be so
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: nice if the Senate Democrats did this for all the hearings?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: You have one person who's going to prosecute this.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: You know, flip for it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Like we said about the January 6th hearings, so good
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: they should be illegal.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, interesting. Do you know who the ranking member on
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: the committee is?
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders. Yeah.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: He'll be good. He'll be very good.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: By the way, if the J six committee goes to jail,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: we should produce a song with them.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, what if they do one?
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: What if they do one with the insurrectionists? We are
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: the world style.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Like a rap battle. Like the Jets and the Sharks.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Do we think Mark Zuckerberg will put his hand on
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: his heart for that one too?
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Probably. Will.i.am will remix it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 9: And our last take of the category, we have one
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: of the most insane right-wing talking points of the election cycle.
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: You know it, I know it. Let's take a listen.
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: In Springfield.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: They're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: They're eating the cats.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: And this is what's happening in our country.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And it's a shame.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: the town's geese. They're taking the geese. You know where
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: the geese are? In the park, in the lake. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: even walking off with their pets. My dog's been taken.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: My dogs were stoned. 77 million people. Thumbs up.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Thumbs up to that guy.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Looks like we're the ones eating crow.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: It feels like in hindsight, one lesson here is that
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: if your political opponent comes up with a dangerous conspiracy
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: theory that incites people on a major issue in the election,
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: you don't turn into a catchy song and then have
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: all of your influencers shared on TikTok for hours at
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: a time.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: You think that was a difference maker, Dan?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Just saying.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: It's a way of thinking about things going forward.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: I want to listen to it. It's really catchy.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in your head.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Who did this?
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: They're eating the cats.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: The Kiffness? They're eating the pets of.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: The people that live there.
• 49:45
  Speaker 14: It's great.
• 49:46
  Speaker 17: They're eating the dogs.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: They're eating the cats.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You know that we had at Williams College, we had
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: a steel pan band. And I was the drummer of
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: the steel pan band.
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 50:04
  Speaker 9: Wait, what?
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 50:06
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: No, we had a, it was, it was, I was
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: the only, I was the only white member because I
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: didn't play the steel pan. I didn't know how to
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: play steel pan, but I could play, they needed a percussion.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: They needed to play a drum set.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: And so I played the drum set. I played the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: drum set in our, in the Williams College steel pan band.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: There's a cool steel pan guy.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Any single human.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Larchmont.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Do you think Crooked could put up a $ 100, 000 reward,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Nate Silverstein, for anyone who can print a video of this?
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: It's just before there was usually, it's just before you
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: would have a lot of video.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Someone had a flip cam or something.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Shameik was busy at the fucking newspaper until two
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: in the morning wasting his fucking college life on op-eds.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: How your Williams record really make a difference? I was
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: playing music.
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: All right. So who wins the category? We got Jesse Waters,
• 50:53
  Speaker 9: Taylor Swift, Vaccines, and the Dogs and the Cats.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I think Vaccines for me.
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: Not to the fun.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Take this.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Not Dogs and Cats?
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: So Taylor Swift, Dogs and Cats, Jesse Waters. Is there
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: another option? Did I forget?
• 51:10
  Speaker 9: Vaccines.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Vaccines.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: I think Trump's take really was the take of the year.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, it it it became the discourse. It was
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the hinge point. It was on the it was one
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: of the policy hinges of the whole election.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is tough because it's like we're doing
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: worse takes. It was like it was like a bad
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: take that won. But, you know.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Best worst takes. I don't know.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: I'm still flummoxed by the fact that Lovett was in
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: a college version. I know.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: That's not right. That's not right.
• 51:42
  Speaker 9: So we're moving dogs and cats to the final group.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not wedded to it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: No, that's fine. I imagine more of a rusted root, Dan,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: if we're being honest.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's fair. That's fair.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: For love it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Selling nitrous balloons.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: There is an argument for vaccines just because now we're
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: going to be living with that. Right.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: That's the take that can kill. Yeah.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, the problem always is we don't really have
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: any scale for making these judgments, so it's really hard.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Let's just pick one because we're dragging this out.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: All right, dogs and cats.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: All right, cool.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to take a quick break, but before
• 52:13
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• 52:48
  Speaker 9: And now for the coveted worst take of the year
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: from a Pod Save America host. Time to look at it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Oh boy.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: Let's kick things off with Jon Lovett. Play the clip.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Being a speechwriter is about figuring out the best way
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: to convince a bunch of people to either come along
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: with you or agree with you or support you. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: think that's a lot of what Survivor is. You know what?
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: That was a good take.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Technically true take.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Technically true.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Technically true.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Good at both.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really crushing on both this year. Got my finger
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: on the goddamn pulse this year. Yeah, thank you. Thank
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: you for that.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Next up.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Next up.
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: We got Tommy Vitor talking about VP choices.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, no.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I think Kristi Noem is a potential favorite to be
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the vice presidential nominee.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Electoral benefits of South Dakota?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: There are none. But I do think the Trump campaign
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: knows that abortion is likely to be the single biggest
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: headwind for their campaign. They want diversity on the ticket.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: That could be gender-based. That could also be racial diversity.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I think they'll ultimately decide that Donald Trump is going
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: to need to peel off some of the suburban women
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: that he has lost to Joe Biden. They're going to
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: need to try to push back on concerns about stripping
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: away abortion access. She's terrible on the policy, but I
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: do think they're going to view it as an identity.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: This is a great take.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: This is a totally fine take.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: This was before the puppy killing thing. And came out.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Key context.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: The puppy murder. And this was me and Brian Tyler
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Cohen ranking 10 different candidates. So we had to make
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: a case for everyone we chose.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: This is bullshit, Tommy. The judges, they're fucking you here.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: You know what I would do if I were you?
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: I would sue them.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, Sal. Also, she did become the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Secretary of Homeland Security. Yeah, she's DHS now.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: That's not nothing. Now she's in charge of the TSA.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: The one thing is, it's funny, because, like, that was
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: a very, like, cogent and reasonable take but trump was
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: like actually i don't need to worry about any of
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that i'm gonna pick the opposite a piece of shit
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: guy that makes women uncomfortable and it won't matter.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Abortion abortion a headwind no disagree i'm for whatever you
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: guys are all i think.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: People hate the biden administration so much that i can
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: choose one of the biggest assholes around yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: Tommy, it was a good year of takes for you.
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: We had to dig. We had to dig out of
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: your two pods and go to liberal tears. All right.
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: Next up, we have Dan after Trump was convicted. Let's
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: hear it.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: The prevailing narrative that the conviction won't really matter is,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: I think, pretty disconnected from both what the polls actually
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: say and the reality of an election that is likely
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: to be this close. I stand by that 1,000%. He
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: would have won by 10 if he hadn't been competitive.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: It's hard to prove.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: And the polls are a snapshot in time, so do
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: better next time, Elijah.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, no, no, I think the polls are,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: and that's so important to keep in mind, the polls are,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: if you've ever heard us say that, polls are a snapshot.
• 55:50
  Speaker 9: In time.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like a shitty Polaroid.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: If you look back on the year, you take away
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: from all of these very reasonable, these are all opinions
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: about ways things could matter at the margins in a
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: race that wasn't really fought. Would that it mattered, but
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: we're so fucked it doesn't.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Even still, the argument we always made it would come
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: down to 100,000 votes. It came down to 237,000 votes.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's true. That's true.
• 56:16
  Speaker 17: And last, we have John Favreau.
• 56:18
  Speaker 9: Reacting to Joe Biden going on Seth Meyers.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I was so happy with that.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I was so happy. And like, you know, the appearance
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: was not perfect, right? Like he still trailed off at times.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: You know, he interrupts himself once in a while. But
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: if you are if you're someone who's like wondering whether
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: he's sharp enough for the job or knows his shit,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like more appearances like that should give you more confidence.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: He was pretty good on Seth Meyers.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that interview at all.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember, I'm not judging. We were all
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: in that headspace. But man, were we grading on a
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: fucking curve during that time.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I thought you should have gone with
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the State of the Union discourse, which I think was
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: looking back at, talk about a grading on a curve.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Well, he was good. I mean, he was.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: No, he was good at the.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: State of the Union. He was good. He was fine.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Like he was not, it was not the historic speech.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: It was treated by some people, but it was good.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: It was fine.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it got in my head.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: It was at least evidence. It was evidence of energy
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: and coherence.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the point I was making about old Seth Meyers.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: And I would say, by the way, that's the bar
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: that we had set for ourselves. And it was too low.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Too low.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: We're like, Joe Biden is losing the election. But good news,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: he can occasionally do a public event that's kind of
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: a draw.
• 57:34
  Speaker 9: What are we doing here?
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Not winning.
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: State of the Union wasn't forward-looking enough. We did go
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: through that tape. It was all, he did a good
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: enough job. He cleared the bar. This one we felt
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: was forward-looking, and it was, you'll be reassured by more
• 57:50
  Speaker 9: appearances like this.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: There were no more appearances?
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: There were no more appearances.
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: The debate is in appearance.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Elijah, could you give us.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: The.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: There was something missing from that take. What was the
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: date of the take?
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: February.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: February.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: February of 2000. 24, yeah. That was, okay, February 24. Yes.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: After State of the Union.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: After State, so right, okay, yeah. That's when he was cooking.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: That's when he was. Yeah, no. That was when there was.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: He was off the seat.
• 58:15
  Speaker 9: That was pre-State of the Union. It was pre-State of
• 58:17
  Speaker 9: the Union.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: That's like.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Pre-State of the Union.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: He was really cooking.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: The last little air out of the balloon, you know.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Well, the adrenochrome was really flying around at that point.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the Seth Meyers appearance, though, where Amy
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Poehler had to come out.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was at the point where he was no
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: longer doing things by himself.
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: Who won the worst take of the year by a
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: Pod Save America host?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: That's tough.
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: I think we're going to collectively sue you for such
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: bad takes.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I like that. Takes on our takes. Yeah, I will.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Can I just... I have to say, in terms of
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: bad takes, the meta bad take of the year was, hey, guys,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I know it sounds crazy, but I'm going to go
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: on Survivor. I think it'll be good.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: That was a bad take. Did you have fun? Yeah,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I had a good time.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: I had a good time.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Missed three dinners.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: You did miss three dinners.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: Missed three dinners.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Three dinners. I don't know.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know who to pick. Maybe we shouldn't pick.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe everyone else.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys pick.
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: Couch? Producer couch?
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Not for fair.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Let the audience pick.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you tell us.
• 59:27
  Speaker 9: You gotta pick best in show. Someone makes best in show.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Here's one thing I can tell you. Our worst take
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: is not winning the Pundi of the Year.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: No matter what it is.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, Dan.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: That's a good take.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Good take, Dan.
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: Okay, well then I won't give my opinion on it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: It doesn't matter.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: No, no, tell us. Let's hear it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: Oh, it's for sure you should be reassured by more
• 59:47
  Speaker 9: public Joe Biden appearances.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: You are misreading John there. More public appearances like this.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: And the next one was not like that. It was
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: an epic fucking disaster.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: If Joe Biden performed like he did on Seth Meyers
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: the entire campaign, it would be.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: A little different. All of us are really taking this
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: well and not at all getting defensive about our tastes.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't go off for five minutes about how I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: was on a different show. Liberal tears is knowledgeable.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I think we had five takes.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: It's just not these takes.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Would Michael Phelps be as good of a swimmer if
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: he had diarrhea in the pool and then killed himself?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Huh, probably not.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: I could name like five worst takes that I had.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do it. No, no, no.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 9: All right, let's go. The winning group, worst takes of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: the year from the primaries group. We have Trump's GOP
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 9: is already dying. From the polling group, we have Alan
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: Lichtman's 13 keys. From the blue MAGA group, we have
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 9: wanting Joe Biden to drop out is racist. From the
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: discourse group, we have the death of the debate commission.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: From the bizarre MAGA group, we have they're eating the
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: dogs and the cats. And from the worst take by
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: a Pod Save America host, we have undecided it's not winning.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's Alan Lichtman.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I think it's Alan Lichtman.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: And I think, look, and it's funny because it feels like,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: it feels like, like mean.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Like we're punching down.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, but, but I think it's worth just saying like,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of people like Alan Lichtman, which
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: were people that were looking at like a miasma of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: contradictory data and saying they knew the answer. And like,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: how many times are we going to fucking do this?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Because I cling to those people too. Like, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: you're like, you're just like reading all things and there's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: this person like looking at me like, here's why it's
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: so clear what's going to happen. And like, you want,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: those things to be true. Like you want to believe
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: those things, but you just can't. And this was like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: a signal, ridiculous example of it. But no, you're not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: going to confidently predict the future based on your 14
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: political science fucking keys.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Political science isn't science. And I think you have to
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: allow for uncertainty. And when you speak in such definitive ways,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: I think you really leave yourself open to being punched
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: down or up.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: All right, well, that'll wrap up the 2024 Pundies. Thank you, guys.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Alan Lickman wins.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Alan.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Alan Lickman, your prize money's in the mail.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: I think now we can use a picture of Alan
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Lickman for the art.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's good. Maybe the one from the live stream
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: he did that night where he was like, ah.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Hey, we found a set of keys in the parking lot.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Alan Lieberman, come get your keys. We've got one last
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: order of business before we sail off into Crooked's holiday break.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Our New Year's resolutions. As always, we'll be confronted with
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: our resolutions from last year to see how we did. Unfortunately,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I'm up first. Part of my resolution is similar to Dan's,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: which is my attention span's gone. I have a strategy,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: which is I want to take a walked 20 to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: 30 minutes a day, maybe. Like over 10 on this time. Realistically,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: where I don't bring my phone and I don't listen
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: to anything.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: It's big on TikTok, the silent walk.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the silent walk.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: John, how many walks did you take this year?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: It would be zero silent walks.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: Not one walk without your phone.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Not without my phone, but I will say this is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: what I did. I did every Tuesday. My Tuesday's in
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the middle of the day. I would take a walk.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: And I would listen to a podcast, but I would
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: not look at my phone.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: So exactly.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it, but I did.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: I can't believe you have gone back to back years
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: of doing none of your resolution. Don't forget the volunteering
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: one of last year.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: How many years am I going to get the fucking
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: volunteering one?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: This is our last chance to talk about it. How's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: that late alarm? You got that carpool tunnel?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: Defrosting turkeys all day long.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I need more corn for the chili. He's got a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: big bell and a Santa suit outside of Kroger.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: Oh, my God.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's hear Tommy's resolution.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Next year, I want to skip this recording again so
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: that I cannot be held accountable once again. I somehow
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: got on a list that has led me to get
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: dozens of cold emails from random tech consultants. I want
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: to find that list. Destroy it and destroy whoever created
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I Decided to come in just being a jackass with
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: jokes and you guys were serious and it kind of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: changed the vibe.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: Wow You get a lot of the tech consultant side
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: of your inbox.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: How's your spam problem, Tommy? A lot of self-reflection going on?
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I think you made this joke last year.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, I guess I didn't do my resolution for this. Oh,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: let's do them all at the end. Okay, that's great. Dan,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: let's do Dan's.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: The thing I really want to work on this year
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: is regaining some semblance of my attention span.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Over two.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Dan, did you do that?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Did you do.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: That, Dan?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: I would say no. No, I did not.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: It got worse. The irony of you saying this, Dan,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: is you write books.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I wrote books. Yeah, but like a weekly, a couple
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: days a week? Is it every day?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Every other day, the message box?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: A couple days a week.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: It feels like all the time.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It feels like all the time and never enough.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: Always impressive.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: I did not do the things I wanted to do
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: to regain my attention span. I doubled down. I think
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: two weeks after I gave this resolution, I set up
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: push notifications for that account that retweets all of Trump's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: truth socials, which was a sign that I wasn't going
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: to make it this year. All right.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Let's hear Lovett's.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: My resolution is to not spend the year worrying about
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: food and diet like for the first time to go
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: into this year without any kind of like emotionally unhealthy
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: relationship with food and diet and exercise that's my resolution
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: and to keep that going.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah well how did you find the willpower to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: do that where did you gain the strength first of all.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah we're making america healthy again one injection
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: to the hip at a time Now, this resolution came
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: after I'd already started taking experimental pancreas medicine. No, but
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I will say I did also fail because I'm still,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I'm better, I'm definitely better, but I still do have
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: an unhealthy relationship to food. It's so hard, but it's interesting,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: all of our resolutions, attention span and diet, it's all
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: about trying to find some inner reservoir of discipline to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: defeat a cultural force. And it's hard. It's hard. Cause like,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: I'm now like, I'm better about the diet stuff and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: I am like a little bit crazy about exercise. So
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Better, better than I was.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: That's for sure.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Try my 13 keys. Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Now we'll go around and do our resolutions. Uh, my
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: resolution this year, this one, I'm gonna, I'm gonna nail.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: I cannot fucking wait.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: More postings.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going, I'm more posting more Twitter fights.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: It's going to be Twitter. It's going to be blue sky.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I'm jumping in the discord. I'm posting, posting, posting, posting.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: TikTok stitches.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: TikTok stitches.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Is this serious? Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: More?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just say what I want.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I'm getting in the discourse. You've all
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: seen it. Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: You've been doing this for six months now.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's right.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Since Biden, since Biden had that great debate.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Oftentimes I'll just open up my phone on a Friday
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: night before bed and was like, man, What was John
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: thinking at 9.30 to jump on this third rail?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I will say that in the month or two before
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: the election, I kind of settled down a little bit
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: on the post. And I did a lot of checking,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: but not a lot of posting. I'm posting now.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Post-election, you're just in it. And it's funny to listen,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: to be in a group chat with you where you're
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: texting your anchor about something and see how long you've
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: held yourself back before you start tweeting about it.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: It usually starts in the group chat. I usually test
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: it out there and I'm like, oh, it's going to Twitter.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: What's the goal?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: You know it doesn't make you feel good.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: What's the goal?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Talk to me.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Part of this is that I can't stop it, so
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I might as well lean into it.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Right, that's the argument for Trump from Republicans in the House.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's a joke. It's a joke, guys. But I
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: am going to, well, like, I'm going to, the reason
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to post more is because I'm going to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: put out my thoughts, right? I'm not going to get
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: in Twitter fights, stuff like that, but I want to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: write my thoughts down more. And if it's in posts,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: that's great. If it's in articles, that's great. But I'm
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: going to, I realize that just talking... is not good
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: enough for me. I wanna actually write my thoughts down.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: And I really actually wanna, I don't wanna be on
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Twitter as much posting, but I do wanna, I've been
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: talking to our Discord subscribers, and they're great, and so
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I wanna get in there more. They're nice.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's great.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's good to write things down. I think
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes writing things down is to, you figure out what
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: you really think when you actually try to write it down.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: And like some of it is, there's times where I've
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: just been like writing down stuff down that doesn't go anywhere.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't go on Twitter. It doesn't go anywhere, but
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: sometimes it actually just helps to sort of like, you know,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: late at night type something out.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: I cannot wait to read your diary in discovery.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, it'll be good. It'll be good. All right, Tommy,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: who's a, who's in your inbox that you're getting out
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: this year?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Um, who are the big CRM managers? Salesforce. Salesforce. Coming
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: for them, coming for your tower. Uh, I want to,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: I want to talk to more smart people, offer experts, uh,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Talked to a really smart guy about Sudan and Somaliland today.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: I could elaborate if you guys want to hear more
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: about it. I love it. You can tell by your face.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Classic, classic Tommy resolution.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: We'd love to, but we're just so impressed for our time.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: But it's really helpful to talk to these very smart, nerdy,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: nice people and just do it to get smarter on background.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: That's the thing I like doing. I want to get
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: good at using AI tools. I tried to use ChatGPT
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: to write me a list of resolutions and I failed.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: So I want to get better at that.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: So, Tommy, experts and AI.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: Experts. Maybe there's some overlap there.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the overlap is one is a group of people
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: helping to make the world clearer. The other is a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: technology that will make it much harder. So, in a way,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: they're in competition.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: So, that's interesting.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see who wins.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Let us know.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: Pick your fighter. Finally, I've been reading a book about
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: mindfulness meditation, but I haven't been doing it. I think
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: it would be good to do it. It's good for you.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Tommy's going to meditate.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: It is good.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe while you're meditating, you'll see John on one.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Of his walks.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Ladle in one hand.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Famous stroll.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: Twitter in the other.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: That's your ladle arm.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: So funny.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Dan?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: Dan, what do you got?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: So two things. One, I am going to make another
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: run at my attention span. And the thing I've started
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: doing since election, which has caused me to miss many
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: of John's best Twitter fights, is to put my phone
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: away before I put my kids to bed and not
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: look at it for the rest of the night.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: That's so smart.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: So no longer two-screening, like watching TV or something like that.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: So that's one. Whether I will manage to continue doing that,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: open question, but I want to do that. The second thing,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: and it's related to Tommy's path towards mindfulness, is.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: It's not even a joke.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: I'm being serious here.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: It was the path towards mindfulness.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: The winding path. There's some dead ends along the way.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: The path is the mindfulness, guys.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: This is related. Both mindfulness and attention span is... I
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: want to take up yoga in 2025. I started doing
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  Speaker 4: it some this year. Uh, it just is a way.
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  Speaker 3: Downward Dan.
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  Speaker 2: Dan, I'm so excited for you. When you're next in LA,
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  Speaker 2: you and I were going to Pilates.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I debated whether I would do this one publicly.
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  Speaker 4: And then I was like, love it has been basically
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  Speaker 4: doing a one man pitch for Pilates for weeks now.
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  Speaker 4: So this is a safe space.
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  Speaker 2: I do yoga too. I do yoga too.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, where do you do it, Dan? Do you do
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  Speaker 3: it to go to group classes?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Do we doing a hot vinyasa yoga?
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  Speaker 5: Nice.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to do it regularly. Like I do
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  Speaker 4: it every once in a while now, but I want
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  Speaker 4: to do it.
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  Speaker 3: It's something that feels good. It's really good for you.
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  Speaker 2: He's a good father for the fanfic.
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  Speaker 3: Downward, downward Dan.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now that you say that. Downward Dan.
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  Speaker 2: Downward Dan's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Love it.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like we are coming to the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year where we made a lot of shows
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  Speaker 2: and we did a ton of content and there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot happening. And I want to try next year
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  Speaker 2: to do a little bit less, a little bit better.
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  Speaker 2: and like really be deliberate about, because I do think
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: that like.
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  Speaker 1: So like Joe Biden, you're quite quitting too?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: A little bit more than him. No, but like, I
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: do think that like, we're heading into another Trump era.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: It's going to be exhausting. And like, we keep saying like,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: you know, we got to make sure that we're like
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  Speaker 2: disciplined about what we care about, disciplined what we pay
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: attention to. And I just want to have, apply that
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: to like what we cover, how we cover it. I
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: want to make sure that like, so we like took
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  Speaker 2: down one of the Tuesday, love or leave it. And
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: that's a part because I want to try to make
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: the Thursday show even better. And I want the time
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: and space to think about that. and to think about
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: other things to do outside of these two shows. And like,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I want to have the mental space and the, the, the, not,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: it's not about time, but, or, or even like work.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: It's just like the, like the creative space to think
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: about how to, how to talk about politics. Because so
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: much of what we've just been saying for, for the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: last couple of weeks is there's something about how Democrats
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  Speaker 2: sound and we need to figure out how we're communicating.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: And like, you're not going to figure that out in
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: the churn.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, good luck everyone. I'll be posting. Uh, that feels
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