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#1948 The Science Of You - Dr. Jodi Richardson · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: By Dr Jody. Welcome back to the You Project. How
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  Speaker 1: are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually really good. I'm really good. Thanks Craig. It's
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  Speaker 2: so good to be back. It feels like the time's
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  Speaker 2: flown since the last chat.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'd love having you. I think I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: make today a bit of a deep dive into you. You. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. We'll just see where we go.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see you'll be surprised for both of us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking a latte in a keep cup. What are
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  Speaker 1: you drinking?
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  Speaker 2: I'm drinking a cappuccino in my favorite mug.
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  Speaker 1: But do you make that? Is that looks like a
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  Speaker 1: handcrafted mug?
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  Speaker 2: It is? I bought it at the EMU Planes Market
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  Speaker 2: and it was on the I'm a little bit wobbly shelf.
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  Speaker 2: Not perfect, a little bit imperfect and there that's what
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  Speaker 2: I liked about it. So yes, the family know to
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  Speaker 2: keep their little hands off my favorite mug.
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  Speaker 1: That's where people can find me on the weekend, sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the I'm a little bit wobblyshelf, you know. Just there,
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  Speaker 1: I am just being me, just with all the imperfect
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  Speaker 1: products on the sale. What's your coffee intake per day?
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  Speaker 1: You were one or two or ten a day.
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  Speaker 2: I am one or two a day. If I'm working
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  Speaker 2: from home all day, I'll usually have two. But if
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  Speaker 2: I'm out and about, I usually have one in the
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  Speaker 2: morning and I don't get around because I can't sort
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  Speaker 2: of drink it too late in the afternoon, so if
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  Speaker 2: I don't get my two in kind of before about
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  Speaker 2: now that, Yeah, just the one before we.
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  Speaker 1: Went live, you were talking about, how can I just
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  Speaker 1: be really rude and remind our listeners are you fifty
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  Speaker 1: or fifty one?
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  Speaker 2: Fifty one? It's not rude. I think it's such a
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  Speaker 2: gift to grow older, and so no, yes, fifty one.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe when I say it out loud, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: is that true? Yes, it's true.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the only reason I comfortably brought it up was
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  Speaker 1: because I know you've mentioned it before, so I knew
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't but I couldn't remember exactly if it was
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  Speaker 1: fifty one or fifty two or fifty. But anyway, what
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  Speaker 1: I loved and I was going to ask you, but
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  Speaker 1: I thought it wait till we went live, is you've
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  Speaker 1: said you feel so, You've changed your diet, You've changed
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  Speaker 1: your training, and believe it or not. The biggest demographic
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  Speaker 1: of my listeners is females between kind of forty and sixty.
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  Speaker 1: So you're bang in the middle. You're you're the average listener.
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  Speaker 1: So to what do you attribute the feeling better getting
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  Speaker 1: you said you were getting PB's personal bests at CrossFit.
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  Speaker 1: You've changed in nutrition, you've dropped a bit, your body
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  Speaker 1: composition has changed, and you're feeling ace. Do tell us
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  Speaker 1: what the new protocol is if you would, because some
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  Speaker 1: of us are quite interested.
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  Speaker 2: Oh look, I mean I feel a bit. I feel
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  Speaker 2: a bit embarrassed that it took me so long to
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  Speaker 2: kind of get here because I knew, I knew academically
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  Speaker 2: that the protocol that I'm following now is the best approach.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, like a lot of women like listening
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  Speaker 2: will relate to the fact that we do, you know,
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  Speaker 2: care about our appearance. We want to feel good, look good,
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  Speaker 2: you know, look after ourselves and still be able to
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  Speaker 2: put on a bathing suit come summer. And I was
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  Speaker 2: fasting twice a week to kind of maintain my body composition,
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  Speaker 2: and it is awful, it is. It was five hundred
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  Speaker 2: cals on two days a week, and I was tired.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't able to concentrate as well. I wasn't able
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  Speaker 2: to perform as well when I was doing my strength
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  Speaker 2: training and when I but it was effective in terms
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  Speaker 2: of keeping my body fat at a healthy range. I
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  Speaker 2: don't have scales, I have no idea what I weigh,
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  Speaker 2: but I just kind of go by what I see
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  Speaker 2: in the mirror and how the clothes fit.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny? I don't want to throw you under
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  Speaker 1: the basket.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck.
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  Speaker 1: You were saying you felt like shit, you had no energy,
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  Speaker 1: But it was working. No, it wasn't. It wasn't working
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: It was achieving the goal that I had in mind
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  Speaker 2: for myself, which was which was to keep my body
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  Speaker 2: fat down.
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  Speaker 1: What's more important that or feeling good and functioning good
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  Speaker 1: and having energy.
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  Speaker 2: Look hands down the ladder and I just.
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  Speaker 1: Realized, don't worry. You and me are just a different
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  Speaker 1: gender version of the same human. Don't worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm putting my hand right up with you, Like
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  Speaker 1: I pretend I don't care what I look like. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: I kind of do, of course everyone does a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what clothes I wear. People worry about that,
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  Speaker 1: but I care that I'm in reasonably good shape, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know, and I do too, and it's not something
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  Speaker 2: that I've ever obsessed over, but I've noticed a lot
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  Speaker 2: of changes because I was like stick thin in high school.
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  Speaker 2: And I look back at my wedding photos and admittedly
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  Speaker 2: I had been struggling with depression. We had postpone the weddings,
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  Speaker 2: so by the time the wedding kind of got put
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  Speaker 2: back on the calendar, I was so tiny, Craig, and
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  Speaker 2: so I guess I grew up. I think I grew
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  Speaker 2: up about fifty six kilos. Was kind of like my
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  Speaker 2: weight for a very very very long time. And then
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  Speaker 2: you have kids and go through perimenopause and all that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of changes and it's very natural. It's
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  Speaker 2: very normal, but you know, we do notice these changes,
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  Speaker 2: and we feel we're then living in different bodies of
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  Speaker 2: different sizes and shapes and more wobbly bits and all that.
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  Speaker 2: And like I hazard, a guess most people, it bothered me.
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  Speaker 2: And so my approach was fasting. And also I understand
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  Speaker 2: the health benefits of fasting, of course, in terms of
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  Speaker 2: blood glucose and longevity. But when I started really thinking
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  Speaker 2: about what important and like strength, muscle, bulk, like really
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  Speaker 2: keeping muscle on my bones, bone, health, energy, And I
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  Speaker 2: saw Ali, who I've talked about before, and now I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's just it is such a relief, toot
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  Speaker 2: about it. Just eat Like already today, I've had a
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  Speaker 2: protein yogurt, I've had a protein shake, I've had two
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  Speaker 2: cups of coffee. I forgot to have my banana. I'll
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  Speaker 2: have that later. I'll have tuna for lunch when we
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  Speaker 2: finished recording, and there's so much more food waiting for
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  Speaker 2: me for the rest of the day. And it's just
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  Speaker 2: such so liberating to actually go My body when it's
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  Speaker 2: fueled well, functions so much better. My body doesn't hold
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  Speaker 2: onto body fat like it used to because it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: sure where the next meal was coming from. And I
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  Speaker 2: just feel better than I have in years.
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  Speaker 1: Good thought, No, I mean, here's the truth, right, I
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  Speaker 1: think for I don't I can't speak for you, but
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  Speaker 1: I might be in the ballpark, but for me, like
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  Speaker 1: even though you know you're was your undergrad in exercise physiology.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my undergrad was a Bachelor of Education in physical
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  Speaker 2: education and chemistry, and then I did a Bachelor of
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  Speaker 2: applied science in exercise and sports science. That was my honors, right,
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  Speaker 2: So yes, ish, So.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, you know what to do. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: you know you're university qualified in exercise programming and so on. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So we know what to do, but we don't do
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  Speaker 1: what we know because even though and I've done this,
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  Speaker 1: I've done this most of my life. I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not in the clear, but I'm better now
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  Speaker 1: than I've ever been. But I've made so many emotional
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  Speaker 1: decisions in my life about my own body and my
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  Speaker 1: own food and my own appear and all this shit,
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  Speaker 1: even though I knew what I was doing was not
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  Speaker 1: optimal from a health point of view. Yeah, but especially
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  Speaker 1: back in the day when I was just a young,
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  Speaker 1: dumb bodybuilder just to who has got his entire sense
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  Speaker 1: of and I don't think this is you, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: but I got I got a lot of my self worth,
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  Speaker 1: identity and everything through looking a certain way and trying
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  Speaker 1: to look a certain way. And like that's just a
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  Speaker 1: it's an unwoinable race because it doesn't matter for me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you. But even if I got
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  Speaker 1: to the point where I looked whatever good is because
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  Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a subjective evaluation, isn't it. Because
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  Speaker 1: back when I was bodybuilding and full on like, some
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  Speaker 1: people thought I looked great. Some people thought I looked
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  Speaker 1: absolutely fucking terrible. Depends on what your perception of bodybuilding
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  Speaker 1: body yeah, you know, of course, yeah, but yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: to be able to make decisions for your body and
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  Speaker 1: your health and you know, more broadly your life and
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  Speaker 1: your money and your career which are not really negatively
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  Speaker 1: influenced by your own bias and emotion and insecurity and
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  Speaker 1: all the shit that it's a hard thing to do,
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things you said there was identity,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we do like it is part of
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  Speaker 2: our identity. I mean I was called chicken legs, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, just all sorts of things like which went
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  Speaker 2: like flattering, complimentary kind of you know, nicknames and things.
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  Speaker 2: But I identified with being always being very slim, and
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  Speaker 2: you identified with being muscular and with being you know, fit,
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  Speaker 2: and and you know, as much as we do know
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  Speaker 2: kind of theoretically that we don't we don't want to
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  Speaker 2: identify with what we do for work or what we
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  Speaker 2: look like, and we know, we know how we look
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  Speaker 2: like is going to change. And I said at the start,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, I do believe getting older is a gift.
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  Speaker 2: I want women to know that, just you know, like
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  Speaker 2: women you know in your fifties, like it's just for me.
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  Speaker 2: Life's getting better and my health and I'm making better
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  Speaker 2: decisions and letting go of things that didn't serve me
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  Speaker 2: and all that. But you know, also there's got a
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  Speaker 2: it's important, I think, to try to develop some acceptance
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  Speaker 2: around our changing bodies. But that's easy to say and
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  Speaker 2: not so easy to do. When we're being used to
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  Speaker 2: living in a body of a certain size, shape and
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  Speaker 2: appearance for so so long, we can't help but identify
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: What led you to five hundred calories a day, twice
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  Speaker 1: a week, Oh, that's the become part of your weekly protocol.
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  Speaker 2: When I learned about the Michael Mosley five to two
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  Speaker 2: intermittent fasting years and years and years ago, I remember
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  Speaker 2: that I think our Sun was in prep and he's
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  Speaker 2: seventeen now, so this is going back a long time.
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  Speaker 2: So I'd been fasting for a long time on and off,
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  Speaker 2: like i'd done it, and I'm very I'm one of
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  Speaker 2: these people that I've had such a sweet tooth, and
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  Speaker 2: actually my sugar cravings have been knocked on the head
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  Speaker 2: because now eating properly, I don't really have an issue
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  Speaker 2: with that anymore. But I was always a sweet tooth
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  Speaker 2: and I always got away with it because I didn't
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  Speaker 2: easily put weight on. But I really did start predominantly
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  Speaker 2: for the health benefits, and Pete and I were doing
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  Speaker 2: it together. I did get a bit lean. I had
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  Speaker 2: a couple of people sort of say, you want to
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  Speaker 2: diet kind of thing, and yes, I think I did
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  Speaker 2: lose maybe a little bit of weight back in the
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  Speaker 2: early days, to a point where it was a bit
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  Speaker 2: noticeable and not I wasn't looking healthy, but yees. So
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  Speaker 2: it had been a long time on and off, and
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  Speaker 2: I'd been very clear that it was really initially mostly
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  Speaker 2: related to health and longevity, but more in the latter
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  Speaker 2: years it became as my body shaped, as my age
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  Speaker 2: changed and I was going through perimenopause, it was more
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  Speaker 2: about keeping my body fat down. That was really my
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  Speaker 2: although as a parent in my home, if I was
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  Speaker 2: on a fast day, I only ever talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: It just being a healthy lifestyle approach for an adult
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  Speaker 2: so that the kids would never for a second think
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  Speaker 2: that I was thinking about what I looked like because
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to send good, healthy messages to them. So
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, it's a relief. I'm never fasting again.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm doing now is working, and I feel so
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  Speaker 2: much better for it.
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  Speaker 1: I so much encourage people to. I mean, it's an intelligent, strategic,
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  Speaker 1: sensible way everyone. It sounds reckless, but experiment, And by
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  Speaker 1: that I mean, you know, I don't mean put yourself
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  Speaker 1: on a myriad of different drugs and see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I just mean, you know, change, change what you do
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. You might just go, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go from four coffees a day to too. There you go,
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  Speaker 1: that's an experiment. You don't need to be a scientist
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  Speaker 1: to change some of the factors and variables and see
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  Speaker 1: what happens. But one of the things that I've changed,
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  Speaker 1: which I did not expect. I've spoken about this quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit, but like probably eight months ago, my phone
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  Speaker 1: told me I didn't walk enough, which I think I've
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  Speaker 1: told you this right. So I increased my steps and
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  Speaker 1: I've just been walking, you know, minimum ten most days,
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  Speaker 1: thirteen to fifteen thousand. But what I've been doing lately
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  Speaker 1: is because my days are full often and then I
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  Speaker 1: get to, like a couple of times I got to
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  Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night, I'm like, oh god, I've still
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  Speaker 1: got to walk five thousand steps. I need to. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I know I could just not do it, but I'm like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So once I commit to doing something, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do this every day, every day, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what, unless I humanly can't. I'm going to do
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  Speaker 1: it seven days a week for a year, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do it forever now. So I started getting
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  Speaker 1: up a few weeks ago at about five, so I
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  Speaker 1: would walk probably seven thousand steps before I get to
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  Speaker 1: the cafe at six fifteen. Right, yeah, So by the
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  Speaker 1: time I get to the cafe, I've walked about five kilometers.
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  Speaker 1: I sit down, I put my rick of the old
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  Speaker 1: ass on the chair. At six fifteen, I get my coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Coffee is great because I've been up and I've been
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  Speaker 1: moving and like, and I just feel even better for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the day. But by the time and
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  Speaker 1: this is the other thing, by the time it's eight o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: my body's like all right, then, bed, okay, we're ready.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing bed, hey bed, So I reckon
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  Speaker 1: most nights I'm asleep, sound asleep by nine point thirty
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  Speaker 1: and quite a few nights nine. But I often get
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  Speaker 1: into bed at eight o'clock because I go, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: i've been up for fifteen hours, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: those fifteen hours i've been relative. I'm not watching Netflix
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  Speaker 1: through the day. I'm not in a hammock like I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm solving problems. I'm writing things, I'm talking, I'm having meetings,
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  Speaker 1: i'm replying to emails, i'm doing research. I'm you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then by the then when I get in bed,
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  Speaker 1: because I've been productive, I feel good. And then when
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  Speaker 1: I wake up at five o'clock, I've still had a
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  Speaker 1: really good night's sleep. So it's a good time to
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  Speaker 1: get up, and I go walk around suburbia, like I've
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  Speaker 1: said many times before, like a fucking urban ninja. It's
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  Speaker 1: so beautiful and so quiet in kind of bayside Melbourne,
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  Speaker 1: because it's cold, it's pitch black, it's usually very still.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much because the
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  Speaker 1: rest of my days mayhem. But yeah, so I just
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  Speaker 1: figured out a new protocol and it really works.
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  Speaker 2: And it's working for you, and you said about experimenting,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that we've just got to find what works.
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  Speaker 2: And you're still getting eight ish hours sleep of a
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  Speaker 2: night time. But you know, we just know, and you've
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  Speaker 2: talked about and I've talked about it, and anyone listening
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  Speaker 2: will know that it will be no surprise. Exercise boost
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  Speaker 2: sound mood does make us feel a lot better, and
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  Speaker 2: you know you have found a time in your day
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  Speaker 2: where you can fit that extra in and it's probably
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  Speaker 2: quite a good feeling for you in terms of you like, right, well,
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  Speaker 2: I've already done seven I've only got three more, three
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  Speaker 2: thousand more steps to do for the day, which you
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  Speaker 2: can get in, you know, after work. But it's Peter,
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  Speaker 2: it's funny that, like I did know you were doing that.
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  Speaker 2: But Peter and I have recently just started walking for
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  Speaker 2: an hour most nights and we've been doing it only
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  Speaker 2: for about a week. He does his weights and cricket,
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  Speaker 2: I do my cross fee basketball and you know, walk
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  Speaker 2: the dog, but not super sort of like out for
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  Speaker 2: a good power walk. And we just decided we would
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  Speaker 2: and last night our son had a recovery session for
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  Speaker 2: footy and we thought we'll drop him we'll do our
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  Speaker 2: walk because it was at the old sine Kilda training grounds,
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  Speaker 2: the linen old Linen house in Seaford.
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  Speaker 1: So another one, yeah, yes, it was old old one
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  Speaker 1: in Linton Street, Morabit, but yes Seaford yep.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when they were briefly in Seaford, so the
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  Speaker 2: football team went and used all the facilities and there's
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  Speaker 2: two ovals, bright lights and lots of people around. So
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  Speaker 2: Pete and I thought we'll just hang around here and
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  Speaker 2: do our walk, and you know, we we headed off
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  Speaker 2: about eight thirty and Pete goes, I can't believe it's
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  Speaker 2: only eight thirty. Like, we've been home, we've had dinner,
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  Speaker 2: we've been for our walk. We'll go home, have a
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  Speaker 2: quick shower, whatever, and then watch one episode of our
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  Speaker 2: favorite show, whatever that is. And he's like it just
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  Speaker 2: literally last night, he said to me, it just goes
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  Speaker 2: to show how much time we've been wasting on the
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  Speaker 2: couch because after dinner, if nobody had sport or drop
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  Speaker 2: offs or pickups or whatever, then we would park our
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  Speaker 2: backsides on the couch and maybe watch a couple of
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  Speaker 2: hours of Netflix, which we love and it's so relaxing.
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  Speaker 2: But now we can do both, and we're just feeling
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  Speaker 2: so much better about ourselves but in ourselves as well.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: It's so simple, and I think, you know, we've all
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: just got that time perhaps when we might have to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: make a sacrifice. I'm going to do this instead of that.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: But those choices are available tourists, I think more than
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: we might realize.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I love it. I agree.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I like to do stuff and then go right. If
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I watch Netflix for two hours now, it's good. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: don't feel guilty because I've earned this, you know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: And rest is good, and I think it's probably so
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: it's saying rest is really important. We need to have downtime.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: We need to have a break and mental break. We
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: need to you know, be able to connect with the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: people in our home if we've got family around us,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: and put our feet up like that is important. But
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: exercise is really important as well, and it doesn't have
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to be either all.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, correct. I think it's finding the balance. And it's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: also I feel like I've been talking a lot lately
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: about reconnecting with your body and understanding your body and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: paying attention to you know, buy feedback and all that stuff,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and the truth is that sometimes sometimes my body's great
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to do twenty thousand steps, and some days I struggle
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: to do ten because I'm fatigued, or I'm underslept, or
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I'm under recovered, or we don't need the same operating
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: system or protocol every day. Like it's we can do
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the same thing every day, but we're not going to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: get the same benefit every day because our body is
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: not in the exact same state physiologically every day, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: in terms of hormones, and you know the whole shooting
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: match of energy and cardiovascular and cognitive performance, and like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: our body varies day to day, and so it's in
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: our interest to learn to pay attention. Like there are
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: sometimes when I can go down you ask me how
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: my PhD was going before we went live. And there
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: are days when I can do hours of pretty focused research.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And there are other days when thirty minutes, I've got
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: to tap out and go do something else and then
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: come back and go, oh, today's one of those days.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do thirty minutes, fuck off for thirty minutes,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: come back, or I'll just do something different because the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: thing that I'm doing is cognitively like intent, like this
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: is not any Some things that you do not easy,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: but they're easier than other things. And you're like, well,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: this is requires six out of ten brain power, this
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: requires eleven. I can't do three hours of this in
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a row, you know, So trying to figure out not
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: only you know, physically, how your body works, but also
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: how you work, like emotionally and psychologically and sociologically. Like
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I've got friends who in social situations absolutely excel and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: revel and love it and being out actually gives them energy,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: and then a lot other friends who being at a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: dinner for one hour almost does them in, like they're
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: exhausted because it's you know, they're introverts or they're shy,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: or their you know whatever. And it's like, yeah, that's
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the thing. But you get the same introvert with one
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: or two people that they're totally bonded to, and their
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: cup gets fooled filled not drained, you know. So it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: not like, oh, socializing is bad for her. Oh no,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it depends on the context. It depends on the situation.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's you know, even like down to people say
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: thankfully to me, you know, you're a good speaker and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: all of that, which is really nice, and I go well,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: thank you one. I love it. It's like my natural
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: habitat up there. However, and you've seen me, because you
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: were when I'm doing the same thing at an academic review,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: which I've had to do for for my PhD. I
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: am so uncomfortable. I am so not in my fucking
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: natural habitat. I'm so scared, I'm so shit right, But
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it's funny. Here's the same here's the guy that stands
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and talks to a thousand people and loves it and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: has fun and does a pretty good job. Now he's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: talking to five people and he's fuck hopeless. Like so
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: many things are context dependent that you just and this
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: is my like my new workshop which is going to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: be launched in the next little while. It's called the
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: You Experiment, right, And I think this is I'm trying
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to get people to move away from the idea that oh,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: there's the best diet, or there's a best workout, or
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: there's the best job, or there's the best way to
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: do a relationship or there's no. There's not, no, there's not,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: because your best way could be you know, your best
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: day of eating could have nuts and milk and seeds,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: which for someone else their body can't even cope with
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: So that's the worst diet for them. But the best
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: diet for you. You know, the best workout for me
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: might kill one of my friends. Yeah, you know, that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the worst workout for them, or vice versa. You know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you and me going for a run, Your best run
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: could be my impending heart attack, Joe, slide the fuck down.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: The point this idea that there is a single best
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: way for eight billion people on the planet to do
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: any one thing or achieve any single outcome.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, that's the that's what a lot of people sell.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Well, they do they I was just thinking that. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: was just thinking about social media and all of the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: influences and you know, so many who are selling workshops
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and ideas and programs and the like because the.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Powders and pills, powders, potions and programs I call them.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Oh I like that. I love the alliteration. Yes, pills, powders,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: programs and potions, potions. Yes, And they might have found
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: something that works for them. But let's look at Okay,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: how old are you? Where are you? Where are you?
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: In terms of like your like I'm thinking from a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: woman in terms of like your hormone levels. Like what's
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: going to work for a twenty year old is not
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: going to work for a fifty year old. And just
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that because they're very, very confident they've got good results.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: They show a lot of skin, there's a lot of
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you know, muscle definition and whatever. People look at that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and say, I want that, this must be the way
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to get it, and it's yes, you know, it's like true.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But then there's their age and then there's their genetics, right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and you don't have either of those. You're double their
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: age and you don't have their genetics.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, singing from the same Hing book, Hymn book.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I love that you are talking about experimenting
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: because and that was what when I started on my
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: high protein I say diet. I hate the word diet
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: because I you know, diet implies calorie restriction in my mind.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But you know, let's go eating regime, eating regime. I thought,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to do this as an experiment. I'm
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: going to do as has been recommended to me based
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: on my with my nutritionist, my you know, lifestyle, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: just see what happens. I'm going to commit for a
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: month and you know, she didn't do any measurements, she
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: didn't weigh me. We just had really really good, in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: depth conversations. And then after a month, I'm like, this
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: is working. How do I feel? How do I look?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You know, that's part of it, And like, and is
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: this something that I can that can become, that can
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: stay remain part of my lifestyle because it's got to
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: be something that's sustainable, and you know, just at the
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: heart of it, it works for me because fundamentally my
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: brain knows food is coming regularly. Burn what you get,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you don't have to keep storing it. So my bally
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: fat my. Actually that I did measure my waist because
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Allie said we need to keep out and I knew this.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I've learned this a long time ago for women eighty
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: centimeters and below and for men one hundred centimeters and below,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to make sure that you're not getting too much of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: vistaal fat around your waistline. So that was the one
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: measurement I did, and I haven't re measured actually I should,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure it'll be less. But yeah, there's no
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: one size fits all for anything. And one thing I
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: think I'd like to say is and Craig. You know
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you've said this for many, many years, is it? If
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you're listening and you're thinking, right, I this is the
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: conversation that has actually got me over the line. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: think I do. I know it's important. I'm going to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: start doing something. Just don't be making decisions based on
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: if you feel like doing something or not. I think
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it makes such a difference, doesn't it. When we make
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: a decision and we say to ourselves, and even if
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: it's just I'm going to go for a short walk
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: twice a week because you've been doing nothing, that is
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: such an improvement on doing nothing. But stick to that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: because that's something that you've set for yourself and that's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: what's important for you to do. The walk might come around.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It might be Wednesday afternoon and it's time for your walk,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and you might not feel like it. And as a
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: podcast guest of mine recently, and I'm not sure who
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: it was, I'd love to credit him or her, probably her,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but because I've interviewed mostly women lately, said, we often
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: make feelings based decisions and even like I feel like
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: having another drink, or I feel like skipping a meal
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and just going straight to ice cream or I'm talking
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: about myself.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You know, is that a feeling or is that a craving?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: That to me seems more biochemical than emotional, but it
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is still.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: A feeling because our emotions are in our bodies as well,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: like their anxiety is, and emotion and urge a craving,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it's a yeah, we could lump those under the heading feelings.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: And so because often we don't feel like doing the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: thing that we know is important for us, that we
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: really want to do, we like how we feel after it,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: and so yeah, I just think that if you've made
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: a commitment to yourself that this is what you're going
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to do, be aware. Feelings will crop up that and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: ideas will pop into your mind about all the reasons
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you don't have to. Like you were saying Craig the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: other night, you didn't have to go and finish your steps,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: but it was a commitment you've made to yourself. You
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: didn't probably feel like it, but you did it well.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, probably you to a lesser extent me, but
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: definitely you as well. I've spent much of my life,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: much of my adult life, talking to people who want
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to change their body right, and with that, of course,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: is changing exercise regime, lifestyle, sleeping habits, food, micros, macros,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like the combination of all of it, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the amount of people that I have given advice to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: over the years that didn't do anything essentially didn't do
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: anything with the advice beyond the first week or two three.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm not criticizing people. That's just an awareness I have,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and it's an observation I've made, and I you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: one of my regular, pretty regular whiteboards is the challenges
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: not to stay motivated, the challenges to stay proactive and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: productive in the absence of motivation because that I don't
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: feel like it, I can't be bothered. I'll do it
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to my I mean that's everybody. That's everybody, Like I'm
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: pretty inspired and pretty disciplined and pretty hardcore, and of
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: course I every day don't feel like doing stuff. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: that's not to say we all have to do everything
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: all the time and we all need to be weapons
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and we all need to be bloody hardcore, and no,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that. But for many people, they've been
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: almost almost doing it for the last fucking ten years. Yeah,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: and leaning into the thing they want to do, which
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: is instant gratification, quick fixed dopamine, you know, food, boozte, drugs, comfort,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, couch, you know, rather than the thing
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that they need to do, like, what is it that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you really want to do?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Be?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Create change? Like do you like Let's forget the process.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Let's just think about the goal or the desired outcome.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Would you like to be fit, lean and strong and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: healthy and load blood pressure and lots of energy? Look good,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: feel good, function good? Nearly everyone's going to say I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: would like that. Well, then the next question is will
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you do the work that creates that outcome? And the honest,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: honest answer is no. The answer is no. And this
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: is why you know there are people that like my shit,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: people that hate me because it's much easier to hate
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: me and call me a whatever then say, look, I'm
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: actually the problem. Like when I got out of shape,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: which has been many times in my life, and when
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I was morbidly obese, it was nobody in the world's fault.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And this is not about blame. This is about self
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: awareness and accountability and responsibility. It's not about hating yourself.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I would never want anyone to hate themselves, blame their self,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: feel guilty all that shit's just emotional bullshit. We understand it.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But the truth is, and yes, there are other variables, hormones, age,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: all of those things, genetics. We get that, we get that.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: We're not pretending that isn't a factor. Most people that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I know that are wildly out of shape. It's got
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: at least a bit to do with their choices, actions, behaviors,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and lifestyle. But we live in a time where you
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: can't say that because everyone fucking runs for cover and
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: gets offended. So we now live in a time where
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: even though the practical, real world scientific reality is that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: if you are overeating and undermoving, that's going to have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: somewhere between a pretty and a very negative consequence. That
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: ain't an opinion, that's science right, yes, but you can't
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: say that. And I'm like, well, this is this is
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a problem now because you know we at some stage
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you need to find a way to do the thing
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that's required, not the thing that's comfortable, because if you
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: are permanently your default setting is I want comfort, I
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: want instagratification, I want to cheer squad. I want to
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: be right. I don't want to be wrong. Everyone else
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is the problem. I'm never the problem. Well, good fucking luck.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I know that's not politically correct, but is it true.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: That's all okay? Is it true?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I know, I said too. We've got our son
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: will be driving next May. He'll be eighteen in May,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and our daughter will be sixteen in March next year,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and she'll be starting to drive. And I remember saying
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: to her, probably a couple of months ago, is something
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: along the lines of, like, I know our son had
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: done some driving and we got home and I said, like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: it's so bizarre to me that you know, in a
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: matter of six eight months, he'll be able to do
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: what he wants with his wheels, go where he wants.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: And of course, because they've both got part time jobs,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: now there's money, you know, some more expendable money. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I said, the thing about being an adult is you
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: can do what you want. You can go and you
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: can eat chocolate all day, you can buy chips, you
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: can go to McDonald's as many times as you like.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You got your wheels, got your cash away, you go,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: you can do these things. But I said, it's really
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: important to think about, like you've got this one body
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: for your whole life, and just because you can, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: mean there'll probably be the splurges when they first get
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that independence. But just this, you know, there's so many
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: choices that we make all day, every day that can
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: go in one way in favor or against our health.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And what pains me is that it's very easy to start,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: as long as you start small enough. And if the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: first step feels too hard, it's not small enough, and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: it might seem insignificant and futile to walk to your
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: letterbox and back. But if you do that once a day,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: even if it's twenty meters and you've never done any movement,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that is a really brilliant way to get going, because
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: it's about establishing patterns and habits. But something else I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: wanted to say was, you know how you said that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: there's personal responsibility around these decisions. One of the things
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I think one of the first steps some people might
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: need is actually to get some psychological support. And because
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: some people have experienced trauma in their lives, many have,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: and sometimes some of the behaviors and habits, particularly around
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: food and drink and the light, can be related to that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: And so I've seen some brilliant changes for people. A
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: long time ago, I worked as an exercise physiologist on
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: a program with a group of people who were and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: it was a combination program with physio and psychology and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: GP and exercise, physiology and and nutrition, the whole works.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And just helping some people get the therapeutic support that
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: they need was such a beautiful kind of door to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: then being able to do some more things that are
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: good for themselves. So I just wanted to add that
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: in because it's it's there's some more barriers I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: to change for some, but there's also some brilliant, brilliant
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: support out there if you need some psychological help as.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Well, extremely valid. My first book was about the psychology
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of getting in shape. I didn't even talk about anatomy, physiology,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: movement by mechanics, food.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, yeah, people still get it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, I don't know. I'll tell you the name
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: off Air. I'm embarrassed of the name. But at the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: time it was good. Yeah, it was well, no, it
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: was here. Here's what I did, right, This is how
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: this book eventuated. This is the sixty second version. So
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I started working in gyms in eighteen at eighteen, so
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: by the time I was twenty eight, i'd been a
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: decade on the gym floor, and I owned my own
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: gym by the time I was twenty six, and I
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: kept having the same conversations. Invariably we would come back
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: to thinking, beliefs, behaviors, relationship with food, excuses, rationalizing, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and emotions and feelings and numbing ourselves with food and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: making decisions that were out of alignment with who and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: how we wanted to be, and the way that we
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: socialized around food and the way that we rationalized over eating,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and so much of it was about mind and emotion.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: And I would tell people that getting in shape is
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: largely not a physical process. It's a psychological, emotional, sociological,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and behavioral process with a physical outcome, like the result
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: is your body, but all the other stuff. It's like,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: you don't you know when I ate three hamburgers, which
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I would regularly back in the day, Yeah, I didn't
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: accidentally ate three hamburgers. I chose them. I made a decision.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I went, I bought the hamburgers, I paid for the hamburgers.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I chose them. I ate them. Right now, that's not
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: unconscious and you can go, oh, yeah, but look, ultimately,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you know I did that now again, not self loathing
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: not hate not self. But let's just go, yeah, Craig,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you did that, and you know that's not great. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: let's not throw ourselves under the bus. But let's just
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that you're not making great decisions. Can we agree
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: on that? Well? Yeah, you know, so I'm with you.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I just think that I think that we need compassionate
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: awareness and empathy. I also think we need to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: honest and real.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: When people are choosing to do things not everyone's got
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, at some stage we've got to stop rationalizing
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: stupid choices. And at some we can't always go oh,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it's okay. Really, like, why why is it always okay?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Why don't we go no, that's not okay. That's not
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: okay for you, and we can't like for me, it
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it sometimes, But I care so much
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: about people being happy, functional, healthy, But I see them
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: destroying themselves while people around them enabling that. I'm like,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that's not love. You think that's love. That's self destruction
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and you're cheering them on. Yeah, Like it's like, don't
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: enable this terrible behavior because you're too uncomfortable to have
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: a real conversation with a person who's killing themselves. Yes,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: love them, care for them, support them, listen to them,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: give them a hug, be kind, also tell the truth
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: with compassion. You know, I think this is Do you
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: think about this? We are talking more about mental health
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and resilience and physical health and emotional health and awareness
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: and bullying and all of these things. Guess what. Our
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: population is the most obese it's ever been. We are
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: more dysfunctional than ever. We've got more mental health issues
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: surfacing than ever. People don't want to leave their homes.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Things are getting worse. Yeah, why do you think that is? Well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: but we've got more services and more awareness and more people. Cool. Great,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that's all good. But at some stage the individual in
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the middle of the life, they need to step up too.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Otherwise that person's going to wake up in a minute
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and be fifty and go, oh fuck, I just missed
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: my life.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. And that's that's what I think
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: about as well. And I just think about you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: one of the great habit trackers is to literally have
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: a you know, I'm just holding up like a calendar
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that where you just tick every day the behavior that
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: you're wanting to sort of really make a regular part
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: of your routine and string it. You know, it's the streak,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: isn't It's the ultimate streak like on our apps and
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: do a lingo and all that kind of stuff. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: just to think that in thirty days, if you've done
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: a short walk each day, or you've sat in front
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: of you stood in front of your couch if you're
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: able to, or your chair in your dining room and
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: just sit your bum on your chair and then stand
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: and see if you can do it without holding on
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and if you can't, will hold on and you'll build
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: your strength over time and do five chair sits to stand.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: You know, like after thirty days you've done one hundred
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and fifty reps and you know, I know, I know.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Also it's hard, Like I know people would look at
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: me and what I do and you and what you
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: do and think that we always feel super excited about
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: our exercise and our training, which we've said we don't.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: And like the motto that we often have and I
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: say to some of the people I train with, is like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: like my motto is I'll just show up. I will
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: show up and I will do what I can with
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: what I've got on the day, which is more normally
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: than what I predict i'll have. But just showing up
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: is a really beautiful because it gives you give yourself
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like the grace to do what you can and just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to maintain that consistency and build that habit. And if
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: you can do it and find amazing people to do
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: it with, that is something that will helped keep you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: going as well.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: And I think the ability to go, oh, this is
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: going to be hard and that's okay, Yes, this will suck. Fine,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: it's not. Everything has to be comfortable, and that's that
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: when our internal sat nab is set on comfort, that's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: a problem. I love comfort. I'm comfortable often. I love
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: lying on my bed watching shit. I love sitting out
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the front of my garden with my feet up and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the sun. You know, I love all of that, and
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I do that. But also, you know, I do the
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: shit that I don't want to do, but the shit
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that I need to do to create the results I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: want in my life. Yeah, and you know, like people,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I get I get this a little bit. And I understand,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: by the way, anyone who thinks I am hardcore or extreme,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I totally understand that. But like, this is the interesting
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: thing you need to or we need to realize that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: in my head, in my body, in my life, the
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: things that I do are not extreme. They're just things
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that work for me. But looking through a different window,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I totally understand how somebody would go, ah, he's unhinged, right,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get that, and I'm not offended
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: by that because we see things as we are, not
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: as they are, right, And so I can look at
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: somebody else who goes nightclubbing five nights a week, and
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with you? But then that's
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: just a week, that's just standard, that's not even because
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: most of their friends do similar, right, So not good
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: or bad, it's just this is me, that's you. But
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I I've met many, many, many people, hundreds, maybe thousands
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of people who are sick, who've got heart disease, who've
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: got cancer, who've got diabetes, who've got things that are
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: going to end their life soon, sooner than was necessary.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And many of those people and again this is I
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: mean this in love and compassion. You know, they know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: apart from the genetic stuff, which we think, disease is
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: about fifteen to twenty percent genetic and eighty eighty five
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: percent lifestyle behavioral all that stuff. We're not sure, but
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: that's the number that gets banded around. But I've never
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: met anyone who's got diabetes, lifestyle diabetes, type two diabetes,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: who's who's really overweight, who's really unfit, who's really struggling
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: for breath, who were really in bad shape, and they
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: go to me, Oh, it was all worth it, Like
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: nobody says it was worth it. Nobody everybody wishes they
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: had have taken care of themselves. Not one person goes
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: in the middle of their pain and their discomfort and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: their shortened life expectancy. And this is I don't know
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: if this is dramatic, I don't know, but I just
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I you know, recently I've spoken to people and you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I don't go, well, you're a sausage, aren't you. I go, well,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. So what can we do? Now,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Let's see if we can improve the quality of your
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: life and quality of your health, and maybe we can
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: add another year or two or three, who knows, but
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: let's you know, there's no lamenting and there's no dwelling,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and there's no judgment. But you know that person who
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: now is maybe heading towards an early death in their
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: fifties or even forties. You know, one of my very
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: close friends I had dinner with last year and I
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: literally at dinner with him, said to him how much
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I was worried about him and told him I love
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: him and told him. I said to him, I know
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I annoy you. I don't care. I'm gonna keep annoying you.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: One of the smartest people I know. And he was
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: dead six days later and two small kids. Two small kids, right,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: And I used to talk to him regularly. We would
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: have dinner once a month, but we talk on the phone.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And he used to say, I know, I know you're right,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: You're right. You know I'm not trying to be melodramatic.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: One hundred pcent true story. And it's just like, you
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: know you can we like you said, we've got one body.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: You got one body, can't get another one. Yeah, you
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: can get more stuff, you can get another house, another car,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you can get more dough, you can even get another husband,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you get heaps of them. But you can't get another body.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: You can't. And what you were saying, I'm really I'm
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: so sorry to hear that. And unfortunately that that's that's
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: not a one off that, and I can think of
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: two men in my social circle who I could sit
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: down with and have good conversation with. One who announced
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: for the updeenth time at our place watching the footy
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: last week that he was quitting smoking, and like, nobody
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: takes it seriously anymore, because and I've never smoked. My
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: parents both did. They both gave up cold turkey, thank goodness,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: many many decades ago. But I have no idea how
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: hard that is. But he was very clear on his
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: values and his reasons why. But nobody took him particularly
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: like I. Actually they even said, Jody, you're taking this
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: very seriously, like this is going to be any different
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: kind of thing, And I'm like, well, I want it
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: to be. I really want this for you. Yes, But
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: what you were saying was that nobody says it was
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: worth it. There's a lot of regret and the beauty,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the beauty of like twenty years ago might have been
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: the best time, today's the next the second best time,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: as the saying goes, And so the beauty in starting
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: now is not only in ten years, five years, ten years,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: fifteen years, will you be in a better position and
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: less likely to be to succumb to maybe a lifestyle
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: disease that could have been prevented. But it's not like
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: the next five, ten to fifteen years while you're looking
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: after yourself miserable. It's actually like it elevates your life
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: daily to do it. So it's the bonus of preventing
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: disease or delaying it or minimizing the effects on you.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: But day to day, like you say, getting up early
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: and doing your walk, or whether it's whatever it is
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: that people are introducing that it's a good feeling to think,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: you know what your body can do for you. And
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I had some I've told you and I'm soon to launch,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: but I've got something really special coming. In boxes and
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: boxes of this very special thing that's coming, we're delivered
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: and I was able to carry two boxes at a
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: time and help the delivery guy and I sort of
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: like I just clocked it and thought, I'm strong enough
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to do this, and it it's just a one off thing.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be a regular I'm carrying heavy boxes.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: But the mood, the strength, the satisfaction of looking after yourself,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the energy, the clarity, the role modeling for our children,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: they will exercise if they see their parents exercise years ago.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: The research actually did say it was when the children
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: are younger the mother's exercise habits are the most influential
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: on children's future exercise habits. Now. I don't know what
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: the current research is. I haven't looked at it in
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: a long time, but so many benefits to it. And
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: we're not some sort of mad club of people who
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: just like pain or discomfort. We just we work at
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a level that's a challenge for us. We challenge ourselves
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: over time to do more as we get fitter and stronger,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: and we do it because of the way it makes
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: us feel and the way it sets us up to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: have the best life in the one body that we've got. Anyway,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I'll hop down off my soapbox.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: No, no, you're right, and I mean one of the yeah,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we better wind up. But one of the things that
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: I get from people consistently over the years, not every day,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: but semi regularly is mate, I just don't have the
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: time to do all the shit that you do, like
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: all the And I go, oh, okay, well, I work
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: full time and I'm doing a PhD. And I do
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: one hundred gigs a year and I do three hundred
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: and sixty five podcasts a year, and I don't need
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: accolades for that. But so I'm pretty busy.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty It's not like we're one of the busiest people.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I know. It's not like all I do is lift
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: shit and walk, right, So I don't know that. But
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: also the other thing is when you's okay, twenty four
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: hours a day, Let's say we're in bed for eight
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: that leaves us sixteen. Now, even if we do one
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: hour a day, that leaves us fifteen and yeah, oh yeah,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: but traveling, I get it. But where you're awake for
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: sixteen give or take one of those, Let's say you
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: exercise consistently. I mean, I don't know what that is.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: That's probably like six percent of your day or something
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: like that. And you go. But here's the thing. When
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you do that work. When you do that work, you
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: have more energy, your brain works better, you're more productive,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you're more focused, you produce better outcomes because everything works better.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: So now because you're fit, strong, healthy, functional, now you're
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: working at nine out of ten, not seven or six
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: or five out of ten. And I've said this many times.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, the main benefit for me is not only
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: which I am Lena, And all of those esthetic things
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: are okay, I guess. Except the problem is when you're
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: sixty one and you get leaner, you look like a
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: fucking old desert boot in the face. But i'd have
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: to get some ten years. I might have to get
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: some gaffer tape and pull my head back, my face back.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: But but the thing is that, like my energy is
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: as good as it's ever been, I feel like my
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: cognition is as good as it's ever been in all round,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like mental acuity, like solving problem thinking, being creative, remembering shit,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: applying stuff, solving problems, you know, having deep and meaningful conversations,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: being present, all that stuff. And I'm very grateful for that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: And I am absolutely positive that I didn't live. If
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't live the way that I do, that would
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: not be the case at all at all. And so
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: because I do this work for my body, then when
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I go to do my job or my research or
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: my whatever, I'm performing at a higher level and I
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: get more done in less time at a better standard.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. That's it, And you you are, Honestly,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I do often think about how busy you are, and
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: like a pH I did my PhD full time and
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I barely had even a part time job while I
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: was doing it. It was hard yacker. It was so hard.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: There were days I'd put my head on the table
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and have a little nap at my desk.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Says, you did it the smart way, I'm doing it
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the stupid but also you did it in what four years? Yes, yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm doing it in six cause dumbas I'm doing remedial PhD.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Oh look, I reckon you're doing You are doing the
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: harder road because it's a long long time. But it's
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: whichever every way you slice it, it's it's really really tough.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: But what you've just said is so like this. It
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: rings so true and the mood benefits that you get
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: from it, just even just a short walk. If you
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: don't have an hour a day, cut it in half,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes a day, just try to create a habit
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: where you can, because you know, like for me and
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: my mental health, twenty years of undiagnosed anxiety, the reason
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I think I cope as well as I did until
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't and went down here with major depressive disorder
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: was because I was so active. I didn't I wasn't
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: doing it to help my mental health. It's just so happened.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I was so active that my mental health sort of
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: remained fairly buoyant despite an anxiety disorder for a long
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: long time. So there's so many reasons not to and
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: there's sorry, there's so many reasons to do it, and
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: there's no good reason not to. I mean, however, you
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: are able, and you know, different people have different capacity,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: injuries and abilities, but there's always something that you can do.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And if you need some advice, exercise physiologists are great,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: and if you are struggling with a complex and chronic
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: health condition, your doctor can write you an Enhanced Primary
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Care Plan and EPC, which will give you access to
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: five appointments with and you know they're usually split between two,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: whether that's physio or exercise physiologist or a pedetist, whatever
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: you need to and there are no cost to you.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: They're paid for by the government to help get you
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: started and on track. So there's lots and lots of
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: support aside from Craig one hundred.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't rely on me. I'm going to tell you
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: one quick story which you'll like. So and I forgot
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: about this years ago. I had a lady that who
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: was great, but she had not but she had and
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: she had I think she had six kids, right, so
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: she had Harby six kids, like, and she was busy
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: and she would get up early, she would do all
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: the things. She was She was a mum. That was her.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: That was a role. That was her job in inverted
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: commas and the hardest job of all time, by the way.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: And she used to say to me, by the time,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: you know, seven thirty at night is kind of when
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I get some me time. And she would typically work
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: from or be busy from five thirty am, just manic
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  Speaker 1: till seven thirty pm. And she would see me once
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  Speaker 1: or twice a week to train, which was great, but
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  Speaker 1: not enough. And she's like, and I can't go for
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: a run outside because I'm scared and bah blah blah
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: blah blah. And I said, what do you do between
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: what time do you go to bed? She go, and
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: she said about ten thirty, and I go, so you,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: so what do you do between seven thirty? She said?
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I would iron and watch TV iron fold closed and
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes just sit on the couch. You know, that's my downtime.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Like the little kids have gone to bed and it's
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: you know, so she would have seven thirty to ten
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  Speaker 1: thirty and I said, so this is what I did
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  Speaker 1: with her. I said, so, I've got an old bike
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  Speaker 1: that I had in a store room, which was just
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: one of those old Repco bikes that I didn't need
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: in the gym. It was absolutely fine, but it was just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a ten year old model. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to drop this bike to your house. She
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: lived a few k's from the gym, and I said,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: because I did a bit of work in Tally, I
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  Speaker 1: know that I don't know what it is now, but
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it's probably very similar. Every hour of nighttime television has
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  Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes of ads, so she would typically be
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  Speaker 1: watching Tally seven thirty to ten thirty, which is three hours,
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  Speaker 1: which is twenty one hours a week. Right. So I
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: said to this is what I want you to do.
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  Speaker 1: Every time an ad comes on. I want you to
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: ride the bike, and I want you to ride it
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: not hard so you're killing yourself, but I don't want
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: your legs just rolling over. So it's going to be
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: probably give or take about three minutes of you working
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: moderately on the bike. But what it means is you've
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: watched all your tally, you've folded your clothes, you've hung out,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: you've had a fair share of sitting on the couch.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: But also at the end of the night, without leaving
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  Speaker 1: the hon without buying any equipment, without joining another gym,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: or you've done forty five minutes of exercise that you
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: hadn't done before. And she did thirty days, which is
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: one three hundred and fifty minutes of bike at a
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: reasonable level that she hadn't done before. Yeah, and in
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: four weeks, and I said, I absolutely don't want you
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to change any other variable. And in four weeks, so
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: she was around I remember how much weight she lost,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: but I'm trying to remember what her actual body weight was.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: And again, yes, it's not all about body weight, we
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: get that everyone. It's about body comp But she wanted
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: to lose about fifteen kilos, which was probably about right
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: for her. And she lost four and a half kilos
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: in the four weeks or the twenty eight days, not
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: thirty days. She lost four and a half kilos and
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: that was the only thing that she changed. And it's
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: so like sometimes, by the way, is that easy. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not easy. Simple though it's simple. It's like, get
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: on a bike, pedal ads finished, get off, bue on
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the couch, folds some clothes, have a sleep, whatever adds
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: back on, get on the bike. It's not complicated. It's simple.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: But no, it's not easy or comfortable. And I said,
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  Speaker 1: just do that every night for twenty eight days and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: let's see what happens. Don't change your food, don't train
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: more outside the gym or outside that. Yeah, and it's
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: so like, oh oh well, yeah, like it doesn't. You
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: don't need to be a genius, you don't need million
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: dollars of resources, you don't need to be athletically gifted
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: or genetically gifted. Just here's a thing. Can you do it? Yeah,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: don't do it for a week and go oh yeah,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: but then this, just just do it. Yeah and it worked.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it's it's just one of those beautiful suggestions
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: that you've made that it's been life changing for her,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: and it's show that there are pockets of time. I mean,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: we've all got pockets of time, and we've all got
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: choice as to how we use the time we've got.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: We've all got the same amount of time, and life
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: is just I used to know you know that feeling
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: of complete Oh, I've done everything, I've ticked everything off.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I've got a whiteboard in here and it's got so
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: many things written on. I'm just adding to it at
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: the moment and sometimes wiping something off when it's taken
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: care of. But if we just realize that there's always
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: something to do, and that the world isn't going to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: usually fall apart if some things don't get done today
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: and they have to wait till tomorrow, but ultimately our
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: bodies will start to fall apart if we keep putting
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: off the things that we know will make a difference.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: And you're lapping everyone on the couch. I don't know
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: where I read that, but years ago I just used
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: to think, well, whatever I'm doing, I am doing so
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: much more than anyone who's sitting on the couch right now.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't about doing better than anyone else. It
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: was about what I could do for me. But it's just, yeah,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I do believe we've got the time. It might mean
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: making some sacrifices, but we've got to make the sacrifices
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: now or later.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: We certainly do love talking to you. You're great. Tell
• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:20
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• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I've done two hundred episodes now too, Craig, so
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: that is very exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I know, like week, that actually is a lot. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think the average podcaster, of course most two fall
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• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: hundred and I know you're talking to me who's done
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: a lot, but two hundred is actually a lot. Well done,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
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• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: thanks for having me, Craig. It's always so great to chat.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I feel I feel like we cheat a bit because
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't feel very podcasting. It just feels like a chat.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah it does, I know, right, it does feel
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: just like a chat. I forget people are listening to us.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: It's all good. Well, say goodbye our fair but for now, Thanks.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Joe, thanks having me. Craig Seizing