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Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: All sail at two fifty about fifty five k r
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  Speaker 1: C the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: I got so excited at her pulled my head and
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  Speaker 2: I pulled my head sides out of the plug. Oh man,
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  Speaker 2: it is Wednesday morning, fifty five KRC the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: A little hot for teacher. This is great stuff. I
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  Speaker 2: got to listen to this all day. Good morning, now,
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  Speaker 2: all right, all right, it's five oh five on this
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, Dan Carroll and for Brian Thomas. One more
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  Speaker 2: day Gary Jeff will be here Thursday and Friday. But
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  Speaker 2: what a fun three days it has been. We now
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  Speaker 2: live in a world, Joe Strecker, where people with Nazi
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  Speaker 2: tattoos can win elective office. It's absolutely fantastic. Grant Platner
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  Speaker 2: one mains Democrat Senate primary Tuesday evening. Amazing how fast
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  Speaker 2: they can count the votes in me. Platner will now
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  Speaker 2: face off against Susan Collins in the general election in November.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, among the other other discretions that Platner had
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  Speaker 2: or indiscretions, I guess is the word yeah, I had
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  Speaker 2: his Nazi tattoo, had the hateful Reddit posts. I think
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  Speaker 2: that was the one where we talked about Alahawa, an
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  Speaker 2: American killed in action, deserved to die. I had all
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  Speaker 2: the sexual text messages with women while he was married.
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  Speaker 2: Of course the death tattoo. But no, this is this
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  Speaker 2: is the Democrats guy. I would think that the most
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  Speaker 2: confused guy on on the Democrats side today has got
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  Speaker 2: to be Eric Swalwell. You think Joe. I mean, Swalwell's
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  Speaker 2: got to be sitting there saying, look, I didn't do
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he slept with a Chinese spy,
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  Speaker 2: had all the accusations about you know, the women accusing
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  Speaker 2: him of inappropriate sexual stuff and all that. But to
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  Speaker 2: my as far as I know, I don't think Swalwell
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  Speaker 2: has has a Nazi tattoo. So he's got to be thinking,
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  Speaker 2: you know, how is it the Platner is in good
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  Speaker 2: standing with the Democrat and I am not. But I
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  Speaker 2: think he won with like seventy plus percent of the votes.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to find a piece here that that that has
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  Speaker 2: ask that number? It doesn't matter. So will this prevent Democrats, though,
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  Speaker 2: from being able to claim or seek or try to
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  Speaker 2: act as if they have the moral high ground on
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  Speaker 2: these issues when it comes to being a Nazi? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: does this now inoculate Donald Trump from being called a
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  Speaker 2: Nazi by Democrats. I don't know. We'll have to see
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  Speaker 2: how that's going to play out, but it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 2: to see if they have to cool their rhetoric on
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  Speaker 2: that a little bit. But yeah, the nine o seven
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  Speaker 2: pm Eastern time was when they made the call on that,
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  Speaker 2: so it did not take long. So he's got the
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  Speaker 2: he's a way he goes and he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: Maine or he's going to run for Maine in Maine
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  Speaker 2: against Susan Collins. So we will see what happens with that.
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  Speaker 2: Unbelievable And then you got Nitthia Rahman out there thanking
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  Speaker 2: all the voters. She of course won it was I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I guess they look when she passed up Spencer Pratt yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: it was a foregone conclusion. And I guess now that
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  Speaker 2: I guess now they're saying it's officially over, and I guess.
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  Speaker 2: And the other surprising thing to me is in California
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  Speaker 2: is that Steve Hilton is going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: run for governor. So they were able to do it
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  Speaker 2: for Spencer Pratt. They were not able to knock Steve
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  Speaker 2: Hilton out of the governor's race. So that's and he
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  Speaker 2: said he's going to be I saw him on with
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  Speaker 2: Laura Ingram last night and he said he's going to
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  Speaker 2: have Spencer Pratt campaigning with him around California. So at
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  Speaker 2: least the when it comes to entertainment value, we're not
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  Speaker 2: going to be lacking that. So I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: seeing what happens there. But we'll be watching from afar
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  Speaker 2: here in Ohio and we'll see what happens. I got
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  Speaker 2: to give credit to the Cincinnati Enquirer. They have a
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  Speaker 2: peace out this morning, and I'm gonna I'm probably going
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  Speaker 2: to I haven't read the whole thing yet, but it
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  Speaker 2: is apparently they went and talked to Hamilton County Municipal
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  Speaker 2: Court Judge Samantha Silverstein and they asked her about the
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  Speaker 2: situation regarding Rick Wright, who is accused of stabbing Alyssa
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  Speaker 2: Hillton death at the Skyline Chile in Norwood, and so
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  Speaker 2: they get into pretty good depth on this. Again, I
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  Speaker 2: haven't I just saw the piece this morning. I got up,
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  Speaker 2: looked at my computer and I saw that this was
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  Speaker 2: the lead story on the Cincinnati Inquirer website. Joe has
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  Speaker 2: a printed out for me so we'll be taking a
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  Speaker 2: look at that. Also, Brendan Soresby, that decision is sending
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  Speaker 2: shock waves throughout the NCAA, and it really boils down
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  Speaker 2: the sports guys down the hall are really right about this.
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  Speaker 2: There is when you have a judge talk about a
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  Speaker 2: guy that admitted to gambling on sports, and then you
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  Speaker 2: have a judge say, well, he can still play sports.
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  Speaker 2: What message does that send? It sends that there are
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  Speaker 2: no consequences for your actions. He knew he wasn't supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do it. He may claim he has some mental
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  Speaker 2: deficiency that led him to make all these bets, thousands
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  Speaker 2: and thousands and thousands of bets, as it turns out,
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  Speaker 2: bet on when he at least when he was playing
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  Speaker 2: for Indiana. I think there was an investigation underway as
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  Speaker 2: to when he was playing for the University of Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 2: but admitted to betting on sports in Indiana the football
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  Speaker 2: team when he was playing on the football team. Not
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do that. But even if he has some
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  Speaker 2: underlying issue that caused him to do that, you still
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  Speaker 2: need to have some consequences for your action. Now this
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  Speaker 2: opens the door to I guess anyone else in college
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  Speaker 2: or I don't know about professional sports, but certainly college sports.
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  Speaker 2: And look, these kids are, these young athletes are getting
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of money now because of the NIL deals
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  Speaker 2: that they are signing, and so they've got the means
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  Speaker 2: to engage in embedting activity even though you're not supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do that. So the Brendan, the Brenda Sorosby story
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  Speaker 2: continues to move on. You've got Georgia, Nebraska. A couple
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  Speaker 2: of teams athletic department leaders at Georgia and Nebraska instructed
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  Speaker 2: coaches and sport administrators not to schedule Texas Tech in
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  Speaker 2: any future athletic competition. So I guess that in schools
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  Speaker 2: that disagree with this ruling, that's the only way they
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  Speaker 2: can show their their disappointment there. So we've got that
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  Speaker 2: going on. Today is Wednesday, and we've got some great
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  Speaker 2: guests going The other big thing that was going on
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  Speaker 2: was the hearing with the head of the Southern Poverty
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  Speaker 2: Law Center on Capitol Hill yesterday, and so I sent
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  Speaker 2: a text message to my friend Tina Daskovich, who is
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  Speaker 2: the CEO and co founder of a great organization called
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  Speaker 2: Moms for Liberty. I think most people in this audience
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  Speaker 2: have probably have some familiarity with Moms for Liberty. I've
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  Speaker 2: had her on as a guest on this show my
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  Speaker 2: other shows before. But she's just terrific. And I texted
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  Speaker 2: her yesterday. I asked her if she watched the hearing.
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  Speaker 2: She said, I was there. She was there representing Moms
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  Speaker 2: for Liberty at the hearing yesterday. She is going to
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  Speaker 2: join us at six point thirty this morning and tell
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  Speaker 2: us about she's in DC right now. She's got her
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  Speaker 2: own podcast. And I told her, Hey, I'm on the
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  Speaker 2: morning show fifty five KRC. Can you be on the show?
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  Speaker 2: She says, well, it depends on what time I've got.
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  Speaker 2: Her podcast starts at seven forty five and goes to
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  Speaker 2: nine point fifteen, and I said, will how about six thirty?
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  Speaker 2: She said, okay, so six thirty. It is live here
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  Speaker 2: on fifty five KRC. The co founder and CEO of
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  Speaker 2: Moms for Liberty, who was in the hearing room yesterday
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  Speaker 2: during the testimony with the interim head. And I almost
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  Speaker 2: feel a little bit sorry for this guy, the interim
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  Speaker 2: head of the Southern Poverty Law Center. He hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: around that long. Look, I think he knew it was
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  Speaker 2: there long enough to know he's only been there for
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  Speaker 2: about a year or so, and he's I guess he's
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  Speaker 2: a professor. He's going to go back to his teaching job.
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  Speaker 2: He's only been there about a year or so, so
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  Speaker 2: he's not responsible for all of it. But I think
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  Speaker 2: he knew enough of what was going on the way
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  Speaker 2: the SPLC was paying these different groups to calls racial strife.
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  Speaker 2: I think he knew about it and either turned the
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  Speaker 2: blind eye to it or let it happen. So in
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  Speaker 2: a way I felt sorry for him, But in another way,
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  Speaker 2: I really didn't because he certainly had time to If
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  Speaker 2: he uncovered this and knew about it and knew it
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  Speaker 2: was wrong, he should have known it was wrong, didn't
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  Speaker 2: take any action to correct it. So in a way,
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  Speaker 2: I really don't feel sorry for it. But we'll get
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  Speaker 2: Tina Dskovic's take on that. Jack Atherton here at seven,
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  Speaker 2: and then Joe Strecker has a congressman Massy for us
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  Speaker 2: at eight oh five, and we'll talk to him, find
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  Speaker 2: out what's going on with him, as he's a lame
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  Speaker 2: duck in Congress now see how things are going for him.
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  Speaker 2: And then my buddy Jim faff is on standby for
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  Speaker 2: eight thirty. He is the head of the Conservative Caucus
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk some politics with him. So we've got
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  Speaker 2: a full day on tap and hope you can stick
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  Speaker 2: around for it. Five sixteen at fifty five KRC the
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  Speaker 2: talk station. Fifty five KRC the talk station. You're going
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  Speaker 2: conditioning as work. It is seventy one at fifty five
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  Speaker 2: KRC the talk station. Oh, this one brings back some memories.
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  Speaker 2: Little Scorpions song used to get a lot of airplay. Back, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: you remember when this song was on the radio all
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  Speaker 2: the time back in the early eighties. Yeah, this song
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  Speaker 2: is rocket. I can tell you a story about this song,
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  Speaker 2: but nobody wants to hear that right now, all right,
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  Speaker 2: So David Ferrara and Cameron Knight of the Inquiry, the
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  Speaker 2: headline on their piece is man was wanted before Alyssa
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  Speaker 2: Hill was stabbed? Why he wasn't in jail after Alyssa
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  Speaker 2: Hill was stabbed to death? Inside the skyline, people blame
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  Speaker 2: the judge, and I'm reading from the Inquirer story here.
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  Speaker 2: People blame the judge who put the accuser, the accused
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  Speaker 2: attacker on probation, but Hamlin County Municipal Court Judge Samantha
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  Speaker 2: Silverstein and the county's probation department said there are gaps
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  Speaker 2: in the system that allowed Rick Wright to stay on
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  Speaker 2: the street. Right was already wanted by police the day
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  Speaker 2: he was charged with stabbing Hill, his ex girlfriend at
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  Speaker 2: and a Skyline waitress. Months earlier, he had ditched his
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  Speaker 2: court ordered addiction program and stopped checking in with his
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  Speaker 2: probation officer, according to court records. So, Joe, I've never
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  Speaker 2: been on probation. I don't know if you have. But
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  Speaker 2: part of your probationary sentence is that you need to
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  Speaker 2: check in regular with your probation office. And if you don't,
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  Speaker 2: the consequence is what that you get arrested again. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you go back get you go back behind bars. Well,
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  Speaker 2: apparently that didn't happen. Silverstein, who placed Right on probation
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  Speaker 2: in the first place, had no idea he violated his
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  Speaker 2: probation until after the June second stabbing, she told the Inquirer.
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  Speaker 2: Neither did the Norwood police officers who regularly encountered him
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  Speaker 2: in the early months of his probation. Right was arrested
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  Speaker 2: in charge after attempting to punch an officer in February
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  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. The charge was a misdemeanor assault
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  Speaker 2: on a police officer, and that was I was talking
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  Speaker 2: to to Judge Hartman about that, and his question was,
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  Speaker 2: how does assaulting a police officer as a felony? He
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  Speaker 2: was concerned about why this turned into a misdemeanor, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think that question needs to be explored a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. He was when we had our conversation. To
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  Speaker 2: his way of thinking, it was the prosecutor's office who,
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, decided to bring this as a misdemeanor charge.
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  Speaker 2: So let's see, so a punched police officer or attempted
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  Speaker 2: to in February twenty five, charge was misdemeanor assault, carrying
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  Speaker 2: a maximum sentence of six months. When Silverstein sentenced him
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  Speaker 2: to a year of probation that March, he had already
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  Speaker 2: been in jail a month, which would have counted towards
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  Speaker 2: his sentence. Had the judge sent him to jail, he
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  Speaker 2: would have been out by August of last year. Silverstein
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  Speaker 2: said there would have been no probation after his release
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  Speaker 2: because it was a misdemeanor. So again, Judge Hartman when
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  Speaker 2: we had our conversation, was questioning why this was a
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  Speaker 2: misdemeanor charge, because he knew the consequences were going to
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  Speaker 2: play out this way. Generally, judges are not kept in
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  Speaker 2: the loop about how someone violated their probation when a
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  Speaker 2: warrant is issued. Silverstein said, well, that's all, that's all
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  Speaker 2: fine and good. I can't imagine, you know, I would
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  Speaker 2: imagine that judges put so many people on probation it
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  Speaker 2: would be impossible to so for a judge to monitor
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  Speaker 2: on a regular basis what is going on with these
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  Speaker 2: individuals they put on probation. That that seems to make
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  Speaker 2: perfect sense to me. Isn't that why we have people
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  Speaker 2: who work in the probation department if we have one,
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  Speaker 2: and I would, I would certainly hope that we do.
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  Speaker 2: Whose job it is to keep track of that sort
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  Speaker 2: of thing? And if we don't, then why don't we
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  Speaker 2: and why don't we fix it if it's messed up?
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  Speaker 2: But I'm getting ahead of myself here. Let's see. Let's
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  Speaker 2: see sometimes another judge might sign the warrant. Even then,
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  Speaker 2: most of the details are left until the person appears
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  Speaker 2: in court. No judge has real time knowledge of every
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  Speaker 2: person who is currently in violation status or every person
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  Speaker 2: who was successfully complying with probation conditions, Silverstein said. On
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  Speaker 2: the frigid afternoon of February and February of twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: police were called to the Salvation Army down the road
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  Speaker 2: from Rights in Rwaod Department after he injured someone inside.
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  Speaker 2: Told officers he wanted to go to jail. When police
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  Speaker 2: on the scene asked him why, he went silent. A
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  Speaker 2: few minutes moments later, he ran at one of the
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  Speaker 2: officers tried to punch him. It was the latest and
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  Speaker 2: a string of violent of violence throughout Right's adult life.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll leave it right there. We got to do
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  Speaker 2: take a little break here and get to some weather,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll continue on with the Inquirer piece where they
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  Speaker 2: speak with Judge Silverstein and look at the case of
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  Speaker 2: mister Wright who was accused of stabbing Alyssa Hill to
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  Speaker 2: death at the skyline, Chile five at fifty five KRCV
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  Speaker 2: Brown with Brent right now. It is seventy two at
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  Speaker 3: Boom boom, boom, boom boom boom boom bum bum bum.
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  Speaker 2: One more morning, I get to sit in for Brian Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the Inquirer article that is out
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  Speaker 2: this morning as they are doing a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a deep dive into the case of the man who
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  Speaker 2: stabbed Alissa Hill at the Skyline Chile. Mister Wright, and
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  Speaker 2: we left off where she talks about no judge has
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  Speaker 2: real time knowledge of every person who was currently serving probation.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, let's see they talk about it was a
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  Speaker 2: fridgid afternoon in twenty twenty five when police went to
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  Speaker 2: the Salvation Army in Norwood. Wright had injured someone in
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  Speaker 2: the apartment inside. He ran a police tried to punch him,
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  Speaker 2: and that case came to court as a misdemeanor. And
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  Speaker 2: I was talking about my conversation with Judge Hartman, who
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  Speaker 2: suggested to me that it should have been more than
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  Speaker 2: a misdemeanor. Let's see. It was the latest in a
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  Speaker 2: string of violence throughout right It's adult life, coupled with
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  Speaker 2: drug possession, prison time for armed robbery. Three women have
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  Speaker 2: accused him over the years of attempt or attacking and
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  Speaker 2: threatening them during fights. According to court records. His family
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  Speaker 2: members have pressed charges against him, including after a two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and eight fight when a relative claimed Right broke
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  Speaker 2: his car window to get at him. Right pleaded guilty
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  Speaker 2: to trying to punch an order officer, and after spending
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  Speaker 2: about a month in jail, Silverstein released him on probation,
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  Speaker 2: suspending an additional month of jail time, on the condition
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  Speaker 2: he get addiction treatment, stay out of trouble, and check
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  Speaker 2: in with a probation officer. Those who serve jail time
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  Speaker 2: on misdemeanors do not receive any probation after they are released,
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  Speaker 2: Silverstein said, However, the probation can last up to five years.
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  Speaker 2: Wright was unemployed and without a consistent address. Court record
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  Speaker 2: show his case was handed over to Patty Davis, the
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  Speaker 2: program manager for the Addiction Services Council, a court approval
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  Speaker 2: liaison that connects people on probation to the programs they need.
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  Speaker 2: Soon after Wright was sentenced in March of twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: Davis says she brought him to New Vision Transitional Living,
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  Speaker 2: a sober living home for just under ten people. Davis
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  Speaker 2: said Right had snuck a knife into the home, had
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  Speaker 2: issues there, and eventually he left over the next several
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  Speaker 2: months he would re engage with the program, Probation officials said.
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  Speaker 2: Then in December, he missed a check in with his
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  Speaker 2: probation officer, never made contact again, and a warrant was
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  Speaker 2: issued for his arrest. It's unclear in court records whether
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  Speaker 2: police made an attempt to track Right down. Josh Price,
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  Speaker 2: counselor and owner of New Vision, declined to comment on
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  Speaker 2: Right's case, specifically, citing patient privacy. Price said he always
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  Speaker 2: follows all of his obligations to communicate with the court
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  Speaker 2: and other partners. In some cases, there are specific conditions
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  Speaker 2: given to him to communicate with the court if a
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  Speaker 2: patient leaves, but not in other cases. Across Hamilton County,
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  Speaker 2: there are more than one hundred and twenty thousand active
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  Speaker 2: warrants of all types. Silverstein said. Warrants are served by priority,
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  Speaker 2: including if there are violations in involving a court order
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  Speaker 2: to stay away from another person from other I guess
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  Speaker 2: it's just say persons such as in domestic violence situations
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  Speaker 2: or urgent circumstances, warrants and misdemeanor cases, as rights was
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  Speaker 2: are given the lowest priority. And again I go back
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  Speaker 2: to my conversation with Judge Hartman, and he was questioning
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  Speaker 2: why was this a misdemeanor. Misdemeanor cases like rights given
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  Speaker 2: the lowest priority. Kevin Bonecutter, the municipal court chief probation officer, said,
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  Speaker 2: after they learned Right had left treatment and was no
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  Speaker 2: longer at his last own address, they issued a warrant
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  Speaker 2: but did not make an attempt to track him down.
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  Speaker 2: They issued a warrant, but did not make an attempt
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  Speaker 2: to track him down. Well, Joe, what good is a
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  Speaker 2: warrant if no attempt is made to track the individual down?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that what a warrant is designed to do, to
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  Speaker 2: tell those in that position, here's a warrant, we need
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  Speaker 2: to find this guy or gal or whoever, whoever, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the case may be, there's a warrant. We got to
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  Speaker 2: find them. Isn't that what warrants?
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  Speaker 4: Afore?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm missing the boat here. Maybe I don't know
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: what warrants afore, let's see. Nor had police confirmed they
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: were not told about rights outstanding warrant. In general, warrants
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: are just entered into the system and made available to
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement. Bone Cutters that most of the time in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: municipal court. Bone Cutter said, warrants are issued for people
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: who haven't paid their full will fine or restitution in
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: time in the time they were supposed to, not cases
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: where someone could possibly inflict violence. Silverstein has long been
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a target for some Cincinnati politicos, who say she is
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: too lenient on repeat offenders and issues bonds that are
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: too low as a municipal court judge. Last week, on Facebook,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: one man described Silverstein as culpable in the murder of Hill,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati's police union. A regular critic of the judge said
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: she was in part responsible for this. Some of the
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: posts turned into threats. Silverstein said she received at least
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: two threatening voicemails regarding the case last week, and an
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: additional forty voicemails remain under review with assistants from the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's office. And so to that that is not the
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: proper road. You can be critical of the judge, you
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: can have harsh words for the judge, but you do
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: not call the judge. You do not send threatening message.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: You do not threaten to do harm to the judge
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: or her family. Is that is crossing the line When
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you do that, you are no better than mister Wright
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: or any of the other criminal scumbags we talk about
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: with regular with regularity on this and other shows. So
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: it's fine, I think for the community. And I know
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people in including myself, who are
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: very very upset that this whole scenario went down the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: way it did, who have a great displeasure, who have
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: profound disagreements with Judge Silverstein. But that is crossing the line.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: When you make personal and threaten personal attacks violence against
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the judge, against anyone, you can't do it. It doesn't
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: it doesn't help, It doesn't help one side or the other,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and it just makes you look like an ass clown.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Five thirty six fifty five KRC the talk station.
• 26:08
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  Speaker 2: Shore does Strekker rolling out the hard rock this morning,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Little Scorpions last time, Little Kiss this time. I'm on,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: come on now, ah Man, I could do a whole
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: show today, Joe, just on the on the memories that
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you're evoking with the music you're rolling out this morning.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It's fantastic. All right, Let's see where do we leave
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: off here on the Inquirer pe. Then again, I'm giving
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: great credit to the Inquirer for talking to Judge Silverstein
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: about this and taking a look at this case in
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: particular involving Rick Wright and Alyssa Hill and the horrible,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: horrible stabbing death at the Skyline Chilean Norwood. Let's see
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: this is the second notable case this year in which
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a person had an outstanding misdemeanor warrant that police did
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: not act upon, which ended into tragic killing. In March,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Jesse Wilson waited outside his ex girlfriend's Avondelle apartment before
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: fatally shooting her. Wilson had been wanted for aggravated menacing
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: on a separate case involving the ex girlfriend, but police
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: did not arrest Wilson until after her death. Municipal Court
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Judge Bernie Bouchard signed the warrant against Wilson. Silverstein said
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: judges should always evaluate whether our system can be improved. Okay,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: all agree with that, including how information about outstanding warrants
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: has communicated the judges and police. Better technology could also
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: provide quicker access to information, she said. Better technology could
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: also provide quicker access to information. She said, wasn't there
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: a time and I go back to the days when
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Joe you were around, when Tom Striker was chief of police?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Were you not? It wasn't he a regular guest here
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: in studio back then? Back then? Wasn't Tom Striker adamant
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that his police officers on a daily basis go out
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and check up on the warrants that were out there.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that something that he talked about all the time.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that something that he talked about as a powerful
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: tool to to prevent future crimes from happening? It was
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the communication different or better back then? Did we have
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: better technology when Chief Striker was a chief of police
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: than we have now? Somehow we need to have better communication.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: So I'll take issue with Judge Silverstein on that one.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Silverstein said, not every warrant presents the same
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: level of risk, and the court's process should ensure higher
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: risk cases receive greater attention. I have no reason to
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: believe that these charges would have prevented this tragedy, she said.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: The misdemeanor offense for which mister Wright appeared before me
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: was not an indicator that he would later be accused
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: of committing an act of extreme violence more than a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: year afterward. Well, what about his previous record? Would that
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: be any indicator? It seems to me. Yeah, it might
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: be with something you want to look at, but at
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: least in this quote here, there's a no reference to that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: One of Hill's closest friends, Kayla Elliott, asked for judges
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to stop letting violent people stay on the streets. My
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: best friend was failed by the system, Elliot said. And
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: that's where it ends. Is that. I guess that was
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the end of it, Hun Joe. That ends kind of
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: abruptly there. So, so again, credit to the Inquiry for
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: talking with Judge Silverstein about this. I do not feel
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: fulfilled by this. I think this leaves a lot of
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: questions dangling out there. But I think it's a good
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: launching point for a lot of conversation about this. And
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I think it is also fair to say that Judge
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Samantha Silverstein still has some answering to do. I go
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty four when the Hamilton County Prosecutor
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Melissa Powers said that low bonds from judges are becoming
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: a public safety issue, and she singled out Hamilton County
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Judge Samantha Silverstein on social media for low dollar amounts
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: on bonds and releasing suspects on their own recognisance. So
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I think there are Look and she admits, now we
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: got you know, we might have problems in the system.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Isn't that why we elect people like judges. Isn't that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: why people in positions of responsibility, whether you're in the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: probation system, you're in the court system, you're in the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: part of the police or the prosecutor's office. Don't we
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: have all these people in place to deal Isn't it
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: there job to deal with stuff like this? Wasn't there
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: a time when we dealt with stuff like this in
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a serious way. Look, I don't care, and I totally
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: understand the argument that you are not going to stop
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: all crime, You are not going to prevent repeat criminals
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: from repeating again, it is impossible to achieve that then,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: But I think the other side of that coin is
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that the system has become so lax and so lenient,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: and we have so many progressive ways of thinking about
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: crime and punishment that we have gone so far the
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: other direction that cases like this that have red flags
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: all over the place simply get ignored and lumped in
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: with everyone else, and then we have horrible murders like this.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And again, it's not just Alyssa Hill who was victimized.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: It was everyone who was in that restaurant that was victimized.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Everyone who her fellow co workers, the owner of the place,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the guy I talked to, the chase down the bad guy,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: all of them, her kids, her family, victimized, her friends.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: You victimize not just the victim, but everyone associated with
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: that victor. And I don't think we deal with this
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  Speaker 2: in a serious way. Five forty seven, Dan Carroll for
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, fifty five KRCV Talk Station America two fifty
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  Speaker 2: Historical Moment sar c E Talks Station fifty five krc
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the Talk Station five point fifty two, Dan Carroll for
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas. I'm looking at some Facebook posts that I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: believe the FOP put out back in twenty twenty four,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and they were not happy with Judge Samantha Silverstein and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: her activities in Room A. Back then, they point to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the case of Kobe Graves, who was under the age
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: of twenty one, had a loaded Glock ten millimeter handgun
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: on his person while driving a Honda Sedan. The handgun
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: was previously reported stolen from Claremont County. Charged with improper
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: handling of a firearm motive and a motor vehicle receiving
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: stolen property. Judd Silverstein released him on R bond. Let's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: see what are some of the other ones they put
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: up here? Hold on, let me dial this up right here,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: here's another one. Avery Collins entered a park bus owned
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: by three sixty Total Care used to transport individuals to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: medical appointments, college dam and the bus, or damaged the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: bus's security system, then defecated inside the bus, he told
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the owners. After being arrested, he stated, I'm going to
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: come back and mess you up. Charged with vandalism and menacing,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Released on OAR bond. Then we've got a guy named
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Micah Phelps pulled over for a traffic stop at Indian Hill.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Phelps fled in his motor vehicle after well, there's a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: police pursuit, high speed pursuit lasted twenty minutes, speeds hit
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: in excess of one hundred miles an hour, extensive criminal
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: history going back to two thousand and four, and released
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: on OAR bond. And that was Judge Silverstein again. According
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: to the FOP, Corey, what's up this morning? How you doing?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Hey, good morning. That's the pattern observer cases like this
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: like you just mentioned. A lot of our bonds. I've
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: noticed people get sentence based on if they have money
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: or not. If the person has no money, they seem
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: to get pushed through the system, so they are not
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a drain on the system. But if somebody has money
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: that the system can get, they seem to throw all
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: sorts of fines and this and that, adam anyway at
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the system can to get money them. And it goes
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: from everything from child support type stuff to more serious
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: issues as well.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Well, Corey, you noticed that. Yeah, Corey, thanks for the observation.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. And it's interesting you bring up money
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: because reading about Judge Silverstein, she talks about that's how
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: she decided to get interested in the law, because she
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: said homeless people were in shackles in prison clothes and
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: being sent back to prison for arraiement while students, and
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: this is back in her early days, students were in
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: their own clothes sent to diversion programs. So she wanted
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: to cure all the inequities that she saw in the program.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Well that's great, say you want to do stuff. But
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: as I read this piece, I see a lot of
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: finger pointing here. I see a lot of well, we
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: don't have this communication. You know, we're unable to do that,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: this case that judges don't know, people don't know, Well,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: then fix it. Isn't that why people get elected? You
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: say you're going to go in, you're going to do
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: things the right way. Fix it. You're the ones who
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: were in the system, You're the ones who need to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: fix it. Fifty five krc he talks these America.
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  Speaker 1: I have a three box station, fifty five KRCD talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, six oh six on this Wednesday morning, Dan
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Carril and for Brian Thomas just spent the last couple
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: of segments, two or three segments reading the piece of
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the Enquirer this morning. Man was wanted before, wanted before
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Alyssa Hill was stabbed? Why he wasn't in jail? And
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: the more I look at it, though, just the more
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: upset I get about it. If you have any thoughts
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: on a five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifty five hundred,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: but it's it's just a sick thing to me that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: we're going to have a judge who was perfectly fine,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: was sitting there talking about well, you know, we didn't
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: didn't know. The Probation Department was not following up on this,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the acknowledging that we have gaps in the system that
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: allowed this guy to remain free. That misdemeanor Warren's like
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the one this guy was on get the lowest priority.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I understand they're busy down there. I know there's a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: lot going on. And the idea that we let so
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: many people out, that we are so lax and enforcing
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: what's supposed to be in place. And if the system
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: isn't working, and you can't just sit there and point
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: fingers at got to take action's while you're there. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: so this is and the and the one part of
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the story. And I've been just sort of rescanning this
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: during the break, but one part of this story really
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: should be a wake up call and tells me why
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: action needs to be taken now. And it's this part
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: of the story. This is the second notable case this
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: year in which a person had an outstanding misdemeanor warrant
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that police did not act upon, which ended in a
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: tragic killing. And then they go on to talk about
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: this story in Avondale where Jesse Wilson waited outside his
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: girlfriend's apartment and shot her to death. Okay, now we
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: have We have one shot to death, one stab to death.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Is that a wake up call? Is that enough for
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: a wake up And I'm talking to every single person
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: who's involved in the system. You know, you got to
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: stop with the excuse making, stop with the workarounds. It
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: seems to me that we had a system in place
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: one time that was very efficient. You cut off your
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: ankle monitor, you don't show up for your probation hearing,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you don't follow the rule, you don't go to the
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: halfway house, you don't complete your treatment. That's it your back.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: You're locked up again instead of well, you know, maybe
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: you'll get picked up by police if you commit another crime.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I think there was a time when police on a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: daily basis where if they if they weren't actively involved
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in an investigation, if there if they weren't actively involved
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: in uh in stopping a violent crime or any kind
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of crime in progress, what were they doing? They had
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: a whole list of warrants right there. We need to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: find this person, that person, Joe, Are we still doing
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: crime stoppers on every week? I haven't. How come I
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: haven't done a crime stoppers this week? Oh it's on Friday, Okay,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: But when when when I sit here and do the
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: crime stoppers, Well, police have a warn out for so
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and so. So and so is wanting for for this
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: crime in that crime, those are warrants. If you have
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: any any information on the whereabouts of Joe Strecker wanted
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: for passing bad checks, stuff like that. I'm just I
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: was just thinking of a crime that you would commit.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Joe's Joe. I don't think Joe struck it would commit
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a violent crime. Think he's more. I think I think
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you're more of a white collar criminal, Joe. I'm giving
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: you some credit there. You don't do you You don't
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: not doing the low level stuff. You don't have the
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: one a breaking and entering. He's doing some some wire fraud,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, ja, a little jay walking, all right,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But you got my point. And when we talk about
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: crime starpers, what are we doing? It's always someone that's
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: got a war. Now where are they? Where? You gotta
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: gotta find them? Finding people with warrants. You know, it
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: may not and they may not be sexy. He may
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: not be glamorous. You know, maybe not the most exciting
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: work in the world, but for God's sake, it's got
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: to be done. Second, the second one this year. Those
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: are two lives that are gone forever, two families who
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: are without their loved ones anymore. Who's who are who
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: are going to suffer every day for the rest of
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: their lives. And that's only the tip of the Iceberg.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Judge Silverstein has done a service here by letting everyone
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: know that the system that that she is engaged in,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that she is a major part of, is not working.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Read the piece for yourself and come to your own conclusions.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: But that is my conclusion, is that the system doesn't work.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: They know it doesn't work. They but but but yet
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: they they go in day after day after day and look,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: God bless them.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: There was a time in my reporter life when part
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: of my job was to go down to Room May
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: on a regular basis, and uh and and I and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you would sit there and it's it's not the same
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: way now, But back then you had hundreds of people.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: The case would get called up, people who look like
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: they've been out on the street all night. Uh. They
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: they'd get walked in there, stand before the judge. Oh,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: here here's the crime weapon under disability, breaking and entering. Uh,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: you know, broke a window. Whatever the case may be,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: and they would be dealt with in that in that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: room a hearing. But now to hear others talk about it,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I have not been to room ay in a while,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: but to hear others talk about it. You look at
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: the the video when they bring these individuals in and
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the place that looks like it's deserted because people are
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: not getting arrested for this low level stuff. And so
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the longer these individuals can go out and keep committing
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: these little petty crimes. And what do we talk about yesterday?
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Crimes that get reported, Crimes that don't get reported. And
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: there are probably a lot more crimes that don't get
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: reported than do get reported, or at least if they
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: get reported, they don't get acted upon because police are told, hey,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: you know, you let that one go. Not not enough
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: for us to worry about, and why should police. It's
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: a human emotion, it's human nature to and I would
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: think this. Look, I'm not a cop, but I would
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: think that if you're a cop and you go out
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and you arrest people and you know they're committing these crimes,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: and then they're back out on the street before you
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: get your paperwork done, it's human nature. To say, why
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: should I bother because you know what's going to happen.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: And so when you have these people with these low
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: level crimes like this dude was committing. Into my way
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: of thinking, some of the crimes that he was committing
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: in the past aren't really not all that low level.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: To my way of thinking. Attacking a police officer is
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: not a low level crime. But yet again and again
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: and again he was in the system, out of the
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: system on probation. I had active warrants. Now we know
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: we can't waste our time going and tracking these people
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: down forrence. That should be that should be a part
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of the everyday grind, from police on the street, to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the prosecutor's office, to the judges, to the probationary system,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: all the rest of it. And obviously it's not happening.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: The second one this year, the second one this year,
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  Speaker 2: according to the Inquirer, And that should be a wake
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: up call and if it's not, then there should be
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: hell to pay for it. Six sixteen fifty five KRC
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  Speaker 2: Six twenty. On this Wednesday morning, Dan Carroll for Brian
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Thomas about ten minutes from now, I'll be talking with
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Tinda Daskovich, the CEO and co founder of Moms for Liberty.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: She was at the hearing yesterday involving the Southern Poverty
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Law Center. A little breaking news this morning. There's a
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: people had to be evacuated from a sixteen story apartment
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: building early this morning, according to the fire chief. Fox
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: nineteen has the has the story A ten Matts in place,
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  Speaker 2: East Price Hill sixteen apartment building, one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 2: one units. Fire chief Frank McKinley said, I guess they
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  Speaker 2: got everyone out of there. The Italian fine dining restaurant
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Pima Vista is on the building's first floor. One hundred
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: and fifty people evacuated. Looking at pictures of the building,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: doesn't look like it's a huge there's some kind of fire,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't look like it's a huge fire. But
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: fire crews found smoke on different floors when they arrived
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: a little after two o'clock this morning, So it looks
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: like they got everyone out of there safe and it
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't look like from the outside, doesn't look like a
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: ton of damage, but the inside might be a different story.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Let's see the acting head The interim head of the
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Southern Poverty Law Center is a guy named Brian K. Fair,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: and so he had an opening statement, and this is
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: what he said to the committee last July. It took
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: a one year leave from my university professorship to become
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the interim head of the Southern Poverty Law Center. So
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: my testimony will be one of my last official acts
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: before returning to teaching. It's been one of the greatest
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: honors of my life. For fifty five story years, with
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the support of generoust owners who respect and appreciate our work,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the SPLC has fought racial terror, white supremacy, and other
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: forms of discrimination and hate seeking to build and defend
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: a multi racial democracy where we can all thrive. That
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: was the goal of the civil rights movement and it
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: is our mission. We're best known for our work exposing
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: and dismantling extremist hate groups. We took on the United
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Clans of America, the group whose hateful violence killed four
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: little girls at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church bombing, and
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: we sued them out of existence. Well, that may be true,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: it probably is true, but the indictment shows that you
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: have been paying groups like this instead of fighting against them.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: In the decades since our founding, hate has continued, but
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: so have our efforts to expose it through litigation, policy, research, education.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: We fight for the underdog, the poor, the unhoused, the hungary,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: the incarcerated, disenfranchised, the immigrant, the alkaist, the hated, and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: the vilified. Many groups and some in this room have
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: misrepresented our work, including our Confidential Informant program. Oh, the
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Confidential Informant Program, regularly repeating false allegations. Some say we've
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: lost our way, but we've never lost our north star,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: fair and just society for every person. All our programs
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: advanced that mission well. The Southern Pomary Law Center, one
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: of the things they do is they put out their
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: heat map and they update it with regularity, and many
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: many groups like the one I'm going to have on
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: here in just a few minutes, Moms for Liberty. Moms
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: for Liberty is a group of exactly what they say.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: They are their mothers whose primary concern is education and
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: parental rights, and so they have a profound disagreement with
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the issue of sexualizing young kids in schools. And some
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: of the books that they targeted, some of the books
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: that they pointed out have these overly sexualized themes in them,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: including Joe, can I say oral sex on the air?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Can I say that? Okay? Things like that and even worse,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: even other types of sexual activity in explicit terms and illustrations.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: And so the moms came out against these types of books,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: and the Southern Policy Law Center called them a hate group,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: much like Turning Point USA. Joe, what kind of hate
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: did the Turning Point USA engage in? Charlie Kirk would
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: go around to different universities and do what he would
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: talk with kids, and he would say, here is my
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: position on this issue. Tell me where I'm wrong, and
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: he would engage in the body of work is out there.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: You can see what Charlie Kirk did and that led
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: to his assassination and that they were called a hate
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. So, you know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: this guy's claims that the Southern Poverty Law Center was
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: doing all this good work, that they're just trying to,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: you know, stand up for the disenfranchised and the underprivileged
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: and those who have been discriminated against. Sorry, mister fair,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really ring all that true. But Tina Dyskovic
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: was there and we'll get her take on how the
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: whole thing went down yesterday. Right after this on fifty
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: five KRC de Talk station, Your Morning Cup of Sean
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: fifty five KRC the talk station Dan Carol for Brian
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Thomas and joined now by the co founder and CEO
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: of Moms for Liberty, Teena Daskovich and Tina. I know
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: you're in DC. I know you've been super busy the
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: last several days. But thank you so much for joining
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: us this morning. It is so great to have you here.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: How are you doing this morning?
• 53:24
  Speaker 6: Fabulous? It's just my pleasure to join you today.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for being here. I texted
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: you yesterday and I said, did you see the hearing
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: with the head of the Southern Poverty Law Center And
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: you told me you were there. You were there in
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: the room, and I was like, wow, I got a
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: asker to be on the show, and here you are
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: this morning. Take us inside the hearing room yesterday. What
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: was your experience.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: Oh, there were a lot of flittings being thrown, that's
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: for sure. Jasmine Crockett is a very bad person. I
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: am one hundred percent sure of that. And just a
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: lot of praise for doctor Elvita King, and let's see
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: Congressman Harris out of North Carolina and Congressman Tom Tiffany
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: out of Wisconsin, or the heroes of the day at
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: least for Moms for Liberty.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tom Tiffany asked specifically the Southern for the head
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: of the Southern Poverty Law Center, Mister Fair, why did
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the Southern Poverty Law Center put Moms for Liberty on
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: their hate map?
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: Wasn't thought fabulous? And did you watch him? He struggled because,
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: in my opinion, watching him, I don't think he knows
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: much about us, and he couldn't come up.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Out his answer showed that he knows absolutely nothing about
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Mom's reliberty.
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: Of course, I mean he said, well they banned books,
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh, really, But he was looking at
• 54:41
  Speaker 6: his notes and so, and then I just thought, does
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: he even realize that we make up twenty percent of
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: their hate map and forty percent of their anti government extremists?
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: Like he is he down in the weeds looking at
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: what they're doing to folks. And so when congress and
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: Mark Harris chimed in and read the stories of one
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: of our moms, you know, we submitted one hundred and
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: twenty five pages of testimony at the last hearing, another
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: forty five this hearing, he picked one and Rosalind Hanson
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: and Montgomery Kenny Maryland, and she was there with me
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: in the audience, and he shared the story. And I
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: hope that man from SBLC was listening, because I don't.
• 55:18
  Speaker 6: I wonder if they realize what they're.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Doing to people well, and I don't think they do.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: And I was I didn't get to watch the hearing
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: I saw. I saw a lot of clips of it,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: and so when I first started watching some of the clips, initially,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: initially I was I was feeling a little bit sorry
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: for mister Fair, Brian K. Fair, who because he's the
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: interim president CEO, so he hasn't been there the whole time.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: But then I read his opening statement and I saw
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: some of the answers that he was providing. So even
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: though he's only and he's going back to his teaching job,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I guess come July, but he has been there long
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: enough to know, oh what the SPLC has been up to.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: He's been there long enough to understand how they are
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: completely mischaracterizing groups like yours, groups like Turning Point USA
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: and others, how they are doing this completely unfairly, and
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: how much of a detriment this has been to you
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: and people who really want nothing more than to pursue
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: your First Amendment rights and state clearly the issues that
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: you feel passionate about.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and it's my nature. I'm going to be to
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: my own heart's nature to be really nice and so
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: and understanding and compassionate, and so I too had thoughts
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: like that. But then you have to remember they put
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk on the hate map and within sixty days
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk was dead. They put FRC on the hate map,
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: and a man testified after he was convicted that he
• 56:54
  Speaker 6: went in because the SPLC put FRC on their hate map,
• 57:00
  Speaker 6: and he went in and he shot the security guard.
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: But his intent was to kill everybody that worked there
• 57:04
  Speaker 6: and stuff their mouths with Chick fil A sandwiches after
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: they were dead. So what they're doing is, you know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: inspiring hate and death, and they put us on there. Again,
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: We're twenty percent of their entire map, and it's dangerous
• 57:19
  Speaker 6: and they need to be held accountable.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: He says, We've never lost our north star, a fair
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: and just society for every person, and all of our
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: programs have advanced that mission. That, to me, is an
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: absolute falsehood about what the Southern pop Law Center has
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: degenerated into.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: When he said that, I leaned over to my team
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: and said, except for us, just fair and guests for all,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: except for anybody that disagrees, Except for just moms trying
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: to make America a better place. And at the end,
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: I tried to go up and speak to him. I
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: don't think he's ever met anybody from Moms for Liberty,
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: but his team surrounded him, protected him, would not let
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: him have access to anyone. And I wasn't going to
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: go up to be rude. I was just going to
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: be like, sir, you know which moms can you? Can
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: you sit down with us and see what's happening. Can
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: you read our one hundred and twenty five pages, or
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: at least scan them and see what the impact is
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: of the work that you're doing.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure he would have no interest in having
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: us sit down with your organization.
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: You're probably right. I tend to want to see the
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: best in people. I just I guess maybe I'm just
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: when I say I'm sure he doesn't know how nice
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: we really are you know, like he didn't care. They
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: just they just want to They just want to make money,
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: They just want power, they just want influence. It's really disgusting.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: All right, Tina Dskovich Moms for Liberty, Can you hold
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: on for a quick break and we'll be right back
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to it. Okay, Yes, all right, stay right there and
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: we'll continue on on fifty five KRCV talk station.
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  Speaker 7: Please be advised you may want to stop eating the
• 58:51
  Speaker 7: following foods immediately.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: The talk station fifty five krc the talk station continuing
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: with Tina Tokovich Moms for Liberty and Tina talk a
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: little bit about when a group like yours gets put
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: on the Southern Poverty Law Center Hate Map. What are
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: some of the real world consequences of that. How does
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: that affect your organization?
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Well, it's devastating to the individuals in the organization. The
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: fact that we've been able to survive, grow and thrive
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: under this title is honestly a miracle because obviously, folks,
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: it has consequences, like with Charlie Kirk, he was killed,
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: and so folks are afraid to join whence you're on
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: the list, They're afraid of losing their jobs, they're afraid
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: for their lives, they're afraid of being docks and harassed.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: The list is endless of general things that have happened,
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: including docs, harassed, hire, slash. You could go from the
• 59:51
  Speaker 6: top to the bottom of everything bad that could happen,
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: finding locations to hold events all the chapters across the
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: country international organization. Once they find you're on the hate map,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: they'll cancel you and not allow you to have your
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: events there. Debank de platform our chapters, Trying to find
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: people to our banks to open accounts for their legal
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: chapters filed almost impossible. And then there's the personal things.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 6: And one of our chairs, like I said, Congressman Harris
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: shared this story last night of in her custody hearing
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: her ex husband used the SPLC label of hate map
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: in their custody battle, and it's in the court documents.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 6: We submitted them as evidence saying that she was the
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: head of a chapter of a SPLCA designated hate group
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: and therefore unfit. And you can just see what happens
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 6: from there.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when Jim Jordan started asking his questions about the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: allegations contained in the indictment about the SPLC paying these
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: organizations going to extremist rallies, paying people to burn cross
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: is where the KKK uniform, all these sorts of things.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: It didn't seem like mister Fair had had a lot
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: of answers for him.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: No, he just kept saying, it's a current investigation. I'm
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: sure they gave him the talking point. The guy sitting
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: directly behind him actually pulled his chair. It was weird,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: like out of the line of chairs behind of people
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: that could watch, the guy behind him pulled his chair
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: way up close to him, couldn't sit next to him,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: but he was like right in his ear. I'm asserting
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: that was maybe they had attorney or his attorney, and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he gave him the line to resort to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: when he didn't want to answer a question, and that
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: was I'm sorry, it's a current investigation and I can't
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: answer that.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. How about Jasmine Crockett attacking al Vida King.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 8: It actually.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: It's hard to make me mad. And Jasmine Crockett called
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: Alvida King a prop that we paraded.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: I know Alita.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: Personally and she is a beautiful human being, a lovely woman,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: and accused her of just being used as a prop
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: to come in and Alvita doesn't do anything that she
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 6: doesn't want to do and believe in. And so Lena
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: Alvida had the opportunity to respond, and Jasmine didn't give
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: her the opportunity to responding to their congressman had his
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: time up, Selvida could respond. She spoke with the power
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: of God and talked about love, and she said, I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: am not a bastard of the King family. I am
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: the daughter of and she named her father's name, who's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: the brother of doctor mart Luther King. And it was
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: probably the most part. It brought tears to all of
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: our eyes. It was probably the most powerful moment of
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 6: the whole hearing.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, were there any Democrats on that panel, to your
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: way of thinking yesterday who took this matter seriously and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: saw to advance the issue or get a better understanding
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: of the issue, or allow their constituents to have a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: better understanding of the issue, or was it a strictly
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: political grandstanding.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: Absolutely not. They've fucked mostly. I would says they take
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: their five minutes, that they get some of them drop
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: in the hearing room speak for five minutes. I've been
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: ask any questions just to get their talking points on
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: records so I'm sure they can make clips and send
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: back home, you know. And some of them got up
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: and talked about January sixth, Some of them got up
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: and talked about oh, Trump University and what a fraud
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: that was, Like, what does that have to do with
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: anything that the SPLC has done. It's a little bit
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 6: infuriating that they won't pick it seriously.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: All right, Tina Disco was just a couple of minutes
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: left here. I want to switch gears quickly and talk
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: a little bit about Scott Pelly and I want to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: kick this little segment off with one of Scott Pelley's
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: more memorable moment moments with Moms for Liberty joke. Can
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: we hear a little bit of cut four? Please?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: We love teachers. My children have had the best teachers.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: I've had the greatest teachers that have influenced and impact me.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: But there are rogue teachers in America's classrooms right now.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Rogue teachers, rogue teachers.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: Parents send their children to school to be edge, not
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: indoctrinated into ideology.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: What ideology are they being indoctrinated into.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 6: Let's just say children in America cannot read.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: They often dodged questions with talking points. Okay, that we get,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: we get a little, we got the flavor of that.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: But that whole issue where that whole episode of sixty
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: minutes Tina Dyskovich so disgraceful, the way they edited that,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the way they put it together, the way they went
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: over and above beyond the call of duty to make
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Moms for Liberty look as terrible as they possibly could.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: People keep playing clips. You know, that was a year
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: ago or two now, I can't remember, but people keep
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: playing clips and I'm like, oh, I forgot that part.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: I forgot that part, and I get so mad again.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: I wasn't even nearly mad enough after what they did
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: to us. It was just one more thing that people
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: had done to us. But now in hide sight, I
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: that and I get some of that specific question that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: you just played. That was the like the third or
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: the fourth time he asked me that question, and I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: answered it perfectly and honestly, probably two or three times.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: They knew what they were doing. They've been doing this
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: for thirty years, you know, Simmy and I've been doing
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: it like a year, and we knew we were going
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: into the chopping block, but we wanted our story. Heard
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: you know if we can get through through just a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: couple of people. And so at that point that's why
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: I paused, and I was like, let's just say kids
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  Speaker 6: can't read because he and they broke me is what
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: they did. And then he din'd he clipped that one
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  Speaker 6: and made it sound like I refused to answer the question.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: It was so dishonest, boo.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't isn't it though? Isn't it went? Once you get
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes and you see and and look, you're
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: not gonna You're not gonna shed any tears or lose
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: any sleep about Scott Pelly no longer being with with
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: CBS for sixty minutes, But isn't it? Isn't it disheartening
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to see the way the television works and see the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: manipulation that goes on behind the scenes to what the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: finished product is that gets presented to the viewers.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's honestly, Scott Pelly losing his job is like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: you said, no, I'm not going to lose any sleep
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: or any tears over that one. But it's happening. It's pervasive,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: it's everywhere. It's not just him. There's a lot more
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: that needs to be done, all.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Right, Tina Discovich. I know you've got your own podcast
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: that starts in about a half an hour from now.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: And what are you going to be talking about today?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: Oh, we have our chapter chair from kaya Hoga, Ohio
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: as my guest. Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: She's also been harassed and all of the things shut
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: down at a library where she was trying to hold
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: an event last year, So we're going to cover some
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: of that. We're going to probably talk about the hearing
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: today and what it's like to be a chapter leader
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: of Moms to Liberty.
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  Speaker 2: All right, And if people want to find your podcast
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: and more about you and Mom's for Liberty, where do
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  Speaker 6: The show is of Liberty. It's on Apple and Spotify,
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  Speaker 6: but it's live on all the Mom's Liberty social media
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  Speaker 6: find me Tina Dskovic if you can spell it on
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  Speaker 2: Tina, thank you so much for taking the time to
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  Speaker 2: be with I always love having you on. Keep up
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: the great work, and Mom's for Liberty is doing such
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: great stuff. I just can't thank you enough for being
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: here and all the best to you, and I hope
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: we get a chance to talk again. Before too long.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. Tina Dskovich Disco. I call
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: her Diskovic however you pronounce it. But she is just
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: an outstanding person and I can't thank her enough for
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: being here this morning. Six forty seven, fifty five KRCV
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  Speaker 2: talk station. Some people say soccer culture doesn't exist fifty
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  Speaker 2: five KRCD talk station. Not a ton of time here
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  Speaker 2: before we get to the break news top of the hour.
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  Speaker 2: Than Jack Atherton with the Big Picture. With Jack Atherton,
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  Speaker 2: he's got some thoughts about the Spanish inquisition, Joe, Do
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  Speaker 2: we know why Jack has thoughts on that today? You
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: never know ahead of time why Jack has the thoughts
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  Speaker 2: that he does, but he does have that in we
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  Speaker 2: will all find out together as we look forward to
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  Speaker 2: hearing from our buddy Jack Atherton in McKinney, Texas, Camarlo Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: He was sobbing in court yesterday because he was swiftly
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: convicted of the fatal stabbing of a fellow high school
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  Speaker 2: high schooler, Aston Austin Metcalf. This happened to attract me,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: this situation, This case got a lot of national attention.
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  Speaker 2: The jury deliberated only about three hours before they found him,
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  Speaker 2: nineteen years old, guilty of first degree murder in the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: death of the seventeen year old. Now the jury must
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: decide whether to put him away for life, prompting the
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  Speaker 2: killer's weeping mom to later take the witness stand and
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  Speaker 2: beg for mercy. According to there were no court There
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  Speaker 2: were no cameras in the courtroom.
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  Speaker 9: Joe.
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  Speaker 2: I thought there should have been cameras in the courtroom
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  Speaker 2: for this trial. But apparently, and you know what, maybe
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: it's a good thing that they didn't, because it according
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  Speaker 2: to everything that I read about this trial, there's just
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  Speaker 2: no question. I looked. This kid was under there's a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: pop up tent at a track meet. This guy was
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: with I guess with a different team, different high school,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: and he was under the team's tent. They asked him
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: many many times to leave, and apparently he just started
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: threatening and escalating the situation the entire time, pulled out
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: a knife and stabbed this guy in the heart. And
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: a kid is dead. His mom said, he's my oldest
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: will always be my baby. I love him very much.
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  Speaker 2: And so the jury went on to further deliberations to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: talk about the sentence. And so, I mean one witness
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: after another. We're talking about how you know this guy
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: was the aggressor, this guy was the agitator, this guy
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: was the one who escalated the situation. And so you've
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: got all kinds of people out there outside the courthouse
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: who were, you know, talking about Carmelo Anthony was not
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  Speaker 2: guilty and that he was the victim. He was defending
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  Speaker 2: himself and the evidence showed that that simply was not true.
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  Speaker 2: So found guilty and we'll find out. We'll find out
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  Speaker 2: what what kind of sentence he's going to get. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: the demonstrators outside the courtroom, I don't know if things
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  Speaker 2: really I know there was some some heated exchanges yesterday.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it doesn't look like things really got
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  Speaker 2: completely out of hand, but I know there was there
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  Speaker 2: was one guy who said the only the only good
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: cracker is a dead cracker. And so that gives you
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  Speaker 2: a little a little insight as to the way that
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  Speaker 2: debate was going on. Six fifty five fifty five KRC
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  Speaker 2: the talk station Americle seven six on this Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Carroll in for Brian Thomas. One more day for me,
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  Speaker 2: Harry Jeff Walker be here Thursday and Friday. Thank you
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: so much for Joe Strecker for allowing me to sit here.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: And I have to admit I've been holding onto this little,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: this little blurb since Monday, when I knew we were
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  Speaker 2: going to have our conversation with Jack Atherton. And it
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: is this. Pop star Madonna sixty seven years old, kicked
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: off this year's Pride Month by posting a video on
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  Speaker 2: her Instagram account. It shows her crawling around in front
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  Speaker 2: of the toilet, stating that you don't want to see
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  Speaker 2: my bleep as she stuffs her breast back into her dress.
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  Speaker 2: She then leans into the camera and whispers Happy Pride,
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  Speaker 2: before blowing a kiss and cigarette smoke at the camera
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  Speaker 2: and Jack, all I can say is you dodged a
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  Speaker 2: bullet on that one, buddy.
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  Speaker 9: Those were the days, so I did better. My wife didn't,
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  Speaker 9: but I did better. It's going to be back with you, Dan, Jack.
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  Speaker 9: If Brian is listening at home, hang in there, buddy,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: to give our pale laugh. I came up with something
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  Speaker 9: you mentioned, Madonna. But let's remind everybody of an old
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  Speaker 9: Monty Python sketch. Dan, are you a Python fan?
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  Speaker 2: I love a little Monty Python.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, A little goes a long way, but I missed them.
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  Speaker 9: The boys are back in the news. We're hearing the
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: Iran war is a little bit like Maty Python and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 9: the Holy Grail. The knight who loses one arm and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: then the other, then both of his legs uses to
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  Speaker 9: give up disrupting us. That's the Mumma's in the I
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  Speaker 9: r G.
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  Speaker 6: Sir.
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  Speaker 9: I hope, I hope for not much longer. I hope
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  Speaker 9: President Trump will realize they have to be gone. But
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  Speaker 9: we've talked about that. Let's talk now about a mony
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  Speaker 9: Python TV sketch. A guy being given the third degree
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  Speaker 9: by his wife sputters, well, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
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  Speaker 9: That's when four cardinals burst in and Michael Palin yells.
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  Speaker 7: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. It's good for a laugh,
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  Speaker 7: but the actual Inquisition was no joke, and thinking about
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  Speaker 7: it shows what our founders really were up against in
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  Speaker 7: seventeen seventy six and how today's Democrat socialists want to
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  Speaker 7: take us back to Spain. The Inquisition began in the
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  Speaker 7: fourteen hundreds to maintain Catholic Orthodoxy. The inquisitors kicked out
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  Speaker 7: Muslims and Jews, then they tortured Christian heretics. For mony
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  Speaker 7: Python that means making heretics sit in comfy chairs. No,
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  Speaker 7: not the comfy chair. The actual methods of torture and
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  Speaker 7: execution are nothing we can talk about.
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  Speaker 9: On Mourning radio. And it wasn't just Spain. Civil wars
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  Speaker 9: between Catholics and Protestants throughout Europe took about twelve million
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  Speaker 9: lives back when populations were much smaller. That's why our
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  Speaker 9: English pilgrims fled to the New World. The Pilgrims were Protestants,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: but when it was the Catholics turn to be persecuted
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: by England's new Protestant Church, they came here too. Lord
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  Speaker 9: Baltimore's chartered land was called the Maryland Catholic Colony. The
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  Speaker 9: point is that religious freedom and toleration are what America
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  Speaker 9: has always been about. From that followed freedom of speech,
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  Speaker 9: a peaceful assembly, and all the rest of the Bill
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  Speaker 9: of Rights. Unlike Europe, where most countries had a state religion,
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  Speaker 9: the First Amendment explicitly outlaws the establishment of a state religion.
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  Speaker 9: Although this has been wrongly interpredud you know Dan to
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  Speaker 9: mean that government cannot support religion. Generally, it can't have
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  Speaker 9: anything to do with religion, but that's another topic. The
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  Speaker 9: irony today is the followers of Karl Marx, who said
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  Speaker 9: religion is the opiate of the masses. Marxists are the
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  Speaker 9: biggest supporters of big government that acts like the Spanish Inquisition.
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  Speaker 9: America's founders believe that individual rights and responsibilities proceed and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 9: are the foundation of government. By sharp contrast, big government
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  Speaker 9: leftists following the French writer Rousseau. I think we're going
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: to talk about him next week because he's one of
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: the founders of the left. Rousseau believed the collective will
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: of the state takes precedence over individual rights, speech, and beliefs.
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  Speaker 9: A better writer than Rousseau, who understood this divide better
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: than most anyone. The Russian novelist Dostoevsky in The Brothers
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  Speaker 9: Karamasov includes a parable of a Grand Inquisitor Brian loves
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  Speaker 9: to part during the Spanish Inquisition. The Inquisitor arrests Jesus
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  Speaker 9: when he returns to Earth for the crime of giving
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  Speaker 9: men and women too much freedom. Instead of letting people
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  Speaker 9: choose sin over salvation, the Grand Inquisitor imposes authority, a
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  Speaker 9: government mandate, and burns anyone who fails to follow his dictates.
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  Speaker 9: Like all authoritarians stan, including today's Marxists, the inquisitor was
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  Speaker 9: right to fear Jesus. He did teach that we have
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  Speaker 9: free will, and within obvious limits, must be allowed the
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  Speaker 9: freedom to exercise it. For instance, the Gospel of Matthew
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  Speaker 9: tells us that Jesus was tempted by Satan to turn
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  Speaker 9: stones into bread and to rule all the kingdoms of
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  Speaker 9: the world. But while Jesus did free some of his
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 9: followers and he did feed them, he never sought to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: feed them all. Jesus did not buy their faith. And
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 9: at the bar High, when a young man asked how
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: to gain eternal life, Jesus told him to obey God's commandments,
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  Speaker 9: sell all he owned, and give the proceeds to the poor.
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  Speaker 9: Sad and hearing this because he was rich, the young
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 9: man exercised his freedom to just walk away. Not all
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  Speaker 9: of our founders were Christians. Thomas Jefferson, the principal author
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 9: of the Declaration of Independence, was a Deist. Like Spinoza,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: Jefferson believed God was creation. They were synonymous, and God
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  Speaker 9: did not change the laws of nature to direct man's affairs.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: So the Bible that Jefferson edited for his own use,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: leaves out miracles. However, like Jesus, Jefferson believed in freedom,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 9: he opposed divine right monarchs like George the Third. He
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: opposed mandates, censorship, anything that would require us to march
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 9: in lockstep, not to say, goose step, even if politicians
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: and their paymasters are bribing us with handouts to ruin
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  Speaker 9: our character and make us more dependent on big governments, because,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: as the Python Boys realized, when it robs you of
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: ambition and personal responsibility, there's nothing more to humanizing than
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 9: a handout or a do nothing government job, or a
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: comfy chair. Not the comfy chair.
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  Speaker 2: What are you saying, a old friend, Jack? As always
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: your comments are always thought provoking, And about halfway through
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  Speaker 2: your presentation there I was thinking about, well, this really
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: correlates to what was going on during the pandemic, and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: we had such government overreach at that time, and what
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: was going on, Well, we had dictates from on high,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: from Washington, d C. From Columbus, Ohio that you must
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: follow these rules, that you must get tested, you must
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: get the vaccine, you must follow certain certain government dictates
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: in order to do what in order to have a job,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: in order to be part of society in order not
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: to be docked, in order not to be de banked
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: or deplatformed on social media. So I think this was
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: probably the clearest example that we have of a government
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  Speaker 2: trying to exercise the exact same kind of powers you
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: lay out there when you talk about the Spanish Inquisition.
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  Speaker 9: And so it's an alln's extremity. Man's extremity is God's opportunity,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: and the Left changes that to man's extremity is government's opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and and and look these to my way of thinking,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: these people are still out there and they look to
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: increase government power at every single turn. I mean, it
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: was not long ago we were told what the hantavirus
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: was coming after us, and this may be another COVID
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen situation. Then we had the Ebola outbreak in Africa
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: or wherever the heck that was going on, and we
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: were told, well, that may be coming to the United States.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I think the reaction of the American people,
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  Speaker 2: at least to this point Jack has been to know
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  Speaker 2: we're not going down that road again. I think that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: memory is still fresh in the mind of the American
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: people that by and large we are going to stand
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: up to being under the thumb of this type of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: government control.
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  Speaker 9: Again, this crisis goes way beyond diseases. It all boils
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 9: down to and whether you want a top down or
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: a bottom up government. Our founders chose the latter. But
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 9: democracy requires free and fair elections. And look what's happened
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 9: in California, just like Minnesota with Al Franken years ago,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: Arizona with Katie Hobbs, the discrepancies and late ballots without
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 9: any need for id never ends until a Democrat has
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: declared the winner or two Democrats in Los Angeles, as
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 9: Gavin Newsom gloated on camera, Democrats had what Greasy called
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: a break the glass plan. That's the phrase he used,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 9: to break the glass plan to guarantee a Republican would
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 9: never win in Los Angeles or even appeer on the
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 9: November ballot. If you're a Republican sunk in a deep
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 9: blue state, you might as well be a muddy python,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: dead parrot.
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  Speaker 2: Jack. Yeah, you always have the best way of putting stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to hang around for one more segment?
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's go ahead and get to
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  Speaker 2: a quick break and we'll continue on twenty. On this
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, Joe Strecker says, this the perfect song for Jack. Well,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but it's still a great
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: song Jack. It's interesting. I was reading a piece where
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  Speaker 2: the author quotes quote by Elena Gorkova when characterizing life
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: in the Soviet Union, and the quote is this, The
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: rules are simple. They lie to us. We know they're lying,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: they know we know they are lying, but they keep
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.
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  Speaker 2: The Russians even have a word call for it. It's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: called veranyo, a lie that everyone knows is a lie,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: but pretends otherwise. And so I think that's as a society,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: and especially in politics now, and especially as it relates
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: to our elections these days, we know that there are
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: lies going on, but for some reason we pretend otherwise,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: and we just let it keep perpetuating itself.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: It's not just the Soviet Union, and it's not just elections.
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  Speaker 9: It starts as early as you can imagine. We have
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: public schools that pretend to teach children and push them
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: all the way through high school and give them diplomas,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 9: and we don't require the kind of songs that I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 9: like that they used to call standards. We don't have
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 9: standards and songs, and we don't have standards in education.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: A lot of lion going around.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of lion going around. And now we have
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: the specter of the Democrats with more than seventy percent support,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: have elected a guy who bears a Nazi tattoo on
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: his chest. And look, the guy wants to have a tattoo,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Fine and dandy. I don't care. But I think we
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: know now that when you talk about the lack of standards,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: that when it comes to having standards, or it comes
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: to at least trying to seek the moral high ground
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: on a particular issue, the Democrats will keep trying to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: do that. But to any rational way of thinking, because
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: of this election result, I say that they've lost that
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  Speaker 2: ability to seek that moral high ground when it comes
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: to arguing a political position.
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  Speaker 9: What seventeen seventy six was all about, on one level
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  Speaker 9: in Philadelphia and eleven years later in that same city
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  Speaker 9: was compromise. That's a dirty word to a lot of people,
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  Speaker 9: but it's what we had to do because the thirteen
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  Speaker 9: colonies had very different interests. Slavery was the most obvious,
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  Speaker 9: but there were many others. The little states were worried
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  Speaker 9: that the big states would completely swamp them. So we
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  Speaker 9: had to come up with the system at the Constitutional
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  Speaker 9: Convention that everybody could accept. We've come to a point
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  Speaker 9: in our country and we have to change course or
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  Speaker 9: we won't have a country where it's impossible to compromise.
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  Speaker 9: We can't get anything done, and it's not just as
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  Speaker 9: between Republicans and Democrats. I think one of the reasons
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  Speaker 9: that President Trump has been very frustrated lately, and we're
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  Speaker 9: seeing it in his attitude toward Iran, is that he
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  Speaker 9: feels he cannot work, he cannot get any kind of
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  Speaker 9: response he can work with from the establishment. Some would
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  Speaker 9: say the rhino wing of his own party. We're simply
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  Speaker 9: not reaching compromises.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jack, I constantly refer to a time in America
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  Speaker 2: when look, we've always had political differences, but you talk
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  Speaker 2: about it compromise because I think in the end, no
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  Speaker 2: matter what your political affiliation was, no matter what your idea,
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  Speaker 2: ideological outlook was, in the end, we all wanted to
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  Speaker 2: get to the same place. We all wanted what was
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  Speaker 2: best for the country, what was best for America, because
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  Speaker 2: everyone understood that the ideas behind America were worth We're
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  Speaker 2: worth having and worth promoting and worth carrying on. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we can compromise anymore because especially the
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  Speaker 2: left in this country, I don't think they want to
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  Speaker 2: get to the same place as those of us on
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  Speaker 2: the other side.
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  Speaker 9: One of the problems is, you know, our profession the media,
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  Speaker 9: where now at a point where we left and the
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  Speaker 9: right separately live in hermetically sealed chambers. We're not hearing
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  Speaker 9: what the other side is saying. It's a problem for
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  Speaker 9: the right as well as for the left. Everybody goes
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  Speaker 9: to hear themselves and their opinions confirmed affirmed by whatever
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  Speaker 9: their media sources. I've done a piece for Brian about
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  Speaker 9: the history of media and the fact that we used
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  Speaker 9: to have what were recognized going all the way back
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  Speaker 9: to eighteen hundred as left and right newspapers. But you
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  Speaker 9: know what people used to do, and this was one
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  Speaker 9: of the shining marks of America. We used to go
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  Speaker 9: to town meetings. The great French writer, not Rousseau, but
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  Speaker 9: Alexis to Topeville in the eighteen thirties wrote about the
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  Speaker 9: fact that America was unique because we started out not
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  Speaker 9: from the top, not from the king, not from the legislature,
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  Speaker 9: but on the town meeting level. That's what the Pilgrims had.
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  Speaker 9: They came up with a charter while they were still
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  Speaker 9: on the boat coming to America, and that became really
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  Speaker 9: one of the abiding graces of America. And people would
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  Speaker 9: have to debate. Now we have candidates on the left
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  Speaker 9: and the right. Candidate on the right is ahead who
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  Speaker 9: won't debate one another. That does not spell any kind
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  Speaker 9: of formula for eventual compromise.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Jack, we'll have to leave it there. It
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  Speaker 2: is time for us to go. But as always, great
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  Speaker 2: to have you on, great to hear your voice. And
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  Speaker 2: keep up the great work, my friend, and we'll look
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  Speaker 2: how in the Soviet Union they had a simple rule
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  Speaker 2: to lie to us. We knew they were lying, they
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  Speaker 2: And the writer of the piece, Vince Coyer Conyer, goes
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  Speaker 2: on to write, that's what's been happening in America for decades,
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  Speaker 2: endless recounts to steal elections right in front of us.
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  Speaker 2: It's the theft that everyone is supposed to pretend that's
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  Speaker 2: Senate took a shot at the Save America Act and
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  Speaker 2: it was defeated. Voting with Democrats were the foremost despicable
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  Speaker 2: has Joe? Do you think John Tune has Trump arrangement syndrome?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a mild case right now? Have you seen James
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  Speaker 2: Carvill lately? I mean that guy. Now you talk about afflicted,
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  Speaker 2: That guy has got it in space. But John Thune
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  Speaker 2: refused to get rid of the filibuster. Congress's failure to
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  Speaker 2: provide for secure elections has been as a disaster for
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  Speaker 2: Republicans and the republic Not only is California economic and
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  Speaker 2: fifty two in a state with a twenty five percent
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  Speaker 2: of the electric gets exactly zero of the region's twenty
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  Speaker 2: one House seats, and the one Senator out of twelve
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  Speaker 2: is another Democrat in rhino clothing, Susan Collins. She has
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  Speaker 2: a liberty score of twenty, which is even with AOC
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  Speaker 2: and below ilhan Omar. That's out of one hundred. Thomas
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  Speaker 2: Massey's scored, by the way, is ninety six, and he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be coming up here at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the hour. The failure is at the core of everything
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  Speaker 2: that is going wrong with America right now. There is
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  Speaker 2: literally nothing more important in twenty twenty six than getting
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  Speaker 2: the Save America Act passed. Donald Trump came to power
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  Speaker 2: promising to take on the establishment. In his first term,
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  Speaker 2: he played by the marquise of Queensberry Rules and much
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  Speaker 2: of his agenda with stonewalled. Then the election was what
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  Speaker 2: little that he did accomplish. Then in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: Trump ran again, and we expected that after years of
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  Speaker 2: being targeted both literally and figuratively, he would take a
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  Speaker 2: wrecking ball to the swamp. But he hasn't. Deficits continue
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  Speaker 2: to grow. It's practically impossible to eliminate even the most
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  Speaker 2: egregious programs, and federal judges usurp executive powers like kids
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  Speaker 2: some leftish judge hasn't stopped. In the Senate, Republicans have
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  Speaker 2: actively stopped him from making recess appointments by gabbling Infoe Sessions,
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  Speaker 2: so they never technically go on recess. That has never
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  Speaker 2: by a Senate controlled by his own party. All of
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  Speaker 2: to the rights of every single American, regardless of where
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  Speaker 2: percent of the population with no voter ID, representing seventy
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  Speaker 2: three percent of Electoral College votes necessary to win the
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  Speaker 2: Democrat cities and states. And I think that sums it
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  Speaker 5: We'll start off with the pronouns.
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  Speaker 8: Is he him?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for that. I'm making a note of that, Jay,
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think that's the first time I've ever
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I feel terrible. I'm the one that
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you got to own that, all right. Hey, I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to I wanted to bring up the I saw
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  Speaker 5: that there was a news article about the Cleveland Clinic
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  Speaker 5: was co operating with the Justice Department. Yes, that they
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  Speaker 5: had decided they're going to stop mutilating children, which is fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I talked about that earlier this week. I'm glad you
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  Speaker 2: were listening.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And so Dave Yost came slithering along behind the Feds,
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  Speaker 5: I guess, and he got, you know, a two million
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  Speaker 5: dollar agreement that they're going to put two million dollars
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  Speaker 5: into some sort of fund to help fix these children
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  Speaker 5: that they've mutilated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the d Transitions Fund.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: Now, Now, Texas, here's the difference between Texas and Ohio.
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  Speaker 5: Texas took down a hospital, same thing. They got ten million.
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  Speaker 4: We settled for two.
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  Speaker 5: And when I did the math on Cleveland Clinic and
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  Speaker 5: you look up what their annual revenue is, the reason
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  Speaker 5: their so cooperative has nothing to do with remorse. The
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  Speaker 5: reason they're so cooperative is they can make the two
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  Speaker 5: million dollars in one hour. So let's just make up
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  Speaker 5: a scenario where there's a guy named Erb who's mutilating
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  Speaker 5: children in his basement. He makes forty bucks an hour.
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  Speaker 4: Jay, Let.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get any further down the road here, let
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  Speaker 2: me just stop you. Right, If memory serves, the two
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  Speaker 2: million dollars is for this program that is going to
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  Speaker 2: serve those who want to treat d transition, who regret
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  Speaker 2: their decision early in life to change their outward appearance.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say change your sex, but to
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  Speaker 2: change your outward appearance. I think if memory serves, I
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  Speaker 2: can go back and find the piece. If memory serves,
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  Speaker 2: I think the only penalty they paid was it was
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  Speaker 2: like three hundred thousand dollars, which is your absolute chump change.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 5: They make two million dollars an hour. And my question
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  Speaker 5: is we're calling this justice we're standing up and giving
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  Speaker 5: the Republican Trump administration Justice Department and the Attorney General's
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  Speaker 5: Office of Ohio a standing ovation. This ought to be
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  Speaker 5: a Nuremberg.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the justice is, yeah, well, I know, I agree. No,
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  Speaker 2: those who perform these procedures should be held to account.
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  Speaker 2: I could not agree with that in any stronger terms.
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  Speaker 2: They need to be held personally liable, I think for
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  Speaker 2: the damage that they caused to these young peoples, these
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  Speaker 2: young people, and maybe that will come down the road.
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  Speaker 2: But the justice is is that finally, at long last,
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  Speaker 2: these barbaric procedures are going to stop. And this has
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  Speaker 2: needed to happen for a long long time. And Jay,
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  Speaker 2: let me ask you this, since you seem to be
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  Speaker 2: up on the issue, how long were we lectured to
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  Speaker 2: by Cleveland Clinic, Cincinnati Children's, other hospitals in our area
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  Speaker 2: and around the country that now, these procedures aren't taking place.
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  Speaker 2: We're not doing that. You know. We may you know,
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  Speaker 2: they may get a puberty blocker here and there, and
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  Speaker 2: they may get across sex hormone, but the procedures, the
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  Speaker 2: surgeries aren't taking place. How long were we told that that? Lie?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, we were told that many many many times along
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  Speaker 5: with these same Cleveland clinic and doctors and nurses.
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  Speaker 8: That said that you better go.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the wine brought into crying nurses about the
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  Speaker 5: COVID jab But back to this point, So if we
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  Speaker 5: had a serial killer, let's just say that there was
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  Speaker 5: a guy who's mutilating children doing what the Cleveland clinic
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  Speaker 5: did in his basement, took him to trial, and we
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  Speaker 5: were told that they got resolved because he promised not
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  Speaker 5: to do it anymore and he paid one hour. Whatever
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  Speaker 5: he gets paid. He decided to put that up.
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  Speaker 2: That was his penalty.
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  Speaker 8: It was forty five bucks.
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  Speaker 5: If he makes forty five dollars in that, would we
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  Speaker 5: all stand up and cheer and and and cheer on
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  Speaker 5: the Justice Department and they there's there there again is
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: the Attorney General, Dave Yost. He knew about this medicaid fraud.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: How do I know that I called in on that
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: medicaid fraud hotline to him six times in six years.
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  Speaker 5: They knew exactly what was going on. I saw him
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  Speaker 5: talking about he's finally happy that he's working with the
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: federal government and he's starting to to, you know, create
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  Speaker 5: a story and narrative that he just couldn't get anybody
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  Speaker 5: to cooperate with him. I think that these guys in
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  Speaker 5: the Cleveland clinic need to be shut down. And if
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  Speaker 5: we call this justice in this red state with the
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  Speaker 5: DOJ under the Trumpet administration.
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  Speaker 8: All is lost.
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  Speaker 5: If children could be mutilated, and the best we get
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  Speaker 5: is a hospital that's doing it promises not to do
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  Speaker 5: it again, and that's enough.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Jay, and I thank you very much for the call.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you know the example you give is
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  Speaker 2: not exactly the same thing, because these procedures were happening
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  Speaker 2: under the guy, at least initially of being supported by
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  Speaker 2: legitimate medical organizations within the United States and around the world.
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  Speaker 2: But over time, as the evidence kept coming in showing
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  Speaker 2: that these procedures were really of no long term benefit
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: to the individuals who were undergoing these procedures, it turned
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: out that all the evidence that has come to light
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: has shown that these procedures should not be taking place,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: and so for a while there was pushback against that.
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  Speaker 2: And anyone, I think, with any a couple of brain
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  Speaker 2: cells to rub together, can figure out that this is
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  Speaker 2: absolute and mutilation of kids. They are barbaric and they
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  Speaker 2: needed to be stopped. So on one hand, yes, it's
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: good that they've been stopped. On the other hand, you know, legally,
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  Speaker 2: can they be prosecuted for crimes? Maybe? But I think
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  Speaker 2: the more likely scenario, and we've already seen it happen
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  Speaker 2: in some cases, is where those who were mutilated and
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  Speaker 2: ruined for the rest of their lives in certain ways
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  Speaker 2: have been able to seek redress through civil litigation, and
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  Speaker 2: these doctors and these clinics and these hospitals that perform
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  Speaker 2: these procedures have been forced to pay, and that is
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: probably the road that this is going to go down. No,
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  Speaker 2: but I agree with Jay that there should be criminal
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  Speaker 10: with hormones till they grew mustaches, changing the gender of
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  Speaker 10: all your offspring.
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  Speaker 2: These are a.
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  Speaker 10: Few of my favorite things.
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  Speaker 2: So there's James Tallerico and an AI generated ad and
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: if you see it, it's actually a lot funnier than
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: it sounds. But James Tallerico is now claiming that, well,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: they're taking me out of context, and he's claiming that, well,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: he's trying to change his tune on trans children. And
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: he was on a podcast the other day and this
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: is what he had to say about that issue. Joe's
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: here cutting a four. Please something that you love that's
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: not family or friends.
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  Speaker 9: I love.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's because it's on my mind.
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  Speaker 3: The trans children who.
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  Speaker 9: Showed up yesterday at the state Capitol to advocate.
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  Speaker 2: For their humanity.
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  Speaker 3: They shouldn't have to, but it was an inspiration to watch.
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  Speaker 2: So there's tall Rico talking about how much he loves
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  Speaker 2: the trans kids. Ah, they were there and it was
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. But here's what he's saying about trans kids. Now, Joe,
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  Speaker 2: I hope I got the right cut here cut number three.
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  Speaker 8: You know, James, I hear consistent tropes about you being
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  Speaker 8: way too liberal for Texas, that your pro sex surgery
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  Speaker 8: for minors, on and on and on. How do you
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  Speaker 8: respond to that?
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  Speaker 6: Well, just on that particular accusation, I oppose gender reassignment
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  Speaker 6: surgeries for minors.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's not actually true because in one of the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: votes he took while he was in the legislature in Texas,
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  Speaker 2: I know, he voted for legislation that would allow these
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: procedures to continue to take place. So he's actually and
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: this again goes back to the sort of thing that
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  Speaker 2: Jack and I were talking about in the previous segment,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: where we have Democrats who are just flat out lying,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: and in this case, they're lying about the positions that
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: they've had and so they've I mean, it doesn't matter
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: what the issue is, whether it's gun control, whether it's
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: same sex you know this that or the other thing,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: gay marriage, whatever the case may be. He'd claimed that
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: he's no longer I guess, no longer a vegan. I
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: mean all this stuff. I mean, the guy is simply
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: lying about every position. Oh I know the one was
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: he he said that our front porch. And again he's
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: in Texas, which is a border state, saying that we
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: should have a welcome mat. That he was he was
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: absolutely anti borders. He was absolutely in favor of illegal
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: immigrants coming across the coming across the border, pathway to
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: citizenship and all the rest of it. And now he's
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: trying to claim that he never said that. But all
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: the audio, all the video is out there, all the
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: stuff about him saying God is done, binary, the Bible
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: is silent on a board, all this other stuff. He's
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: trying to walk every single one of those issues back
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: right now. And so and this guy doing the podcast
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: with him, if you see the audio or the video
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: of that, the guy sitting there shaking and said, oh yeah,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: oh he's he's right. Winning extremists really mischaracterizing your position. No,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: it's all out there for everyone to see. But will
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: enough people pay attention to realize what the truth is
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: it is seven to fifty five. We got to get
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  Speaker 2: and then Congressman Thomas Massey will join us for a
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: little discussion after the news at the top of the
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  Speaker 8: At the top of the hour, here the top stories, fresh.
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  Speaker 4: Scientific thinking now that has just been published one day.
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  Speaker 2: You might be able to send a warning back through time.
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  Speaker 1: Time Glenn back week days at nine on fifty five KRC,
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, eight o'clock eight o five on this Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 2: June the tenth, the year is flying by Dan Carroll
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  Speaker 2: in for Brian Thomas. One more day for me in
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  Speaker 2: my final hour and this week anyway, and Gary Jeff
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: Walker will be here after that. And I know Gary
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: Jeff Walker is a big fan of our next guest
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: this morning, and that is Congressman Thomas Massey. Thomas Massey,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: welcome in fifty five KRC. How you doing.
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  Speaker 8: I'm doing well, Glad to be on the show with you.
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  Speaker 8: You know you're doing a job. Maybe I should apply
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 8: for which is guest host on the radio show. I'll
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 8: be out of a job in January.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're you've got You've got Joe Strucker's number. So
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: he's the main man to talk to. Joe Strucker is
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: the guy that can make it happen.
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  Speaker 8: So I would say, he said, he bring me donuts
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  Speaker 8: if I come in to studio.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're wellcome, You're welcome here anytime. Are you buddies
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: with Gary Jeff Walker? Do you guys hang out? Oh?
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: He talks about you all the time.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, he's my boss because he's you know, he's from Kentucky.
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  Speaker 8: And so I worked for seven hundred and fifty thousand people.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 8: The White House thought I worked for them. That may
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 8: be why I lost this election. I have to keep
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 8: reminded of my work for the people of Kentucky, not
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 8: for the Republican Party, and not for the president.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The most expensive congressional primary in the history of
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: the country. Yeah, when you've had a little time to
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: digest that, Now, what do you think your memories of
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: that are going to be? I mean that, I mean
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: that kind of money. It's just it's still I have
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: a hard time getting my head around it.
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  Speaker 8: They spent fourteen years trying to buy my vote and
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: then they just decided to buy my seat. And what
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 8: they found out it was really expensive to buy my
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 8: seat because you know, I've been doing a good job.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 8: Took a lot of ads. It took a lot of AI.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 8: In fact, they should have gone on a date with
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 8: ilhan Omar and Aoc holding hands and checking into a
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 8: hotel room, and a lot of the older folks fell
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 8: for that. I had. I had people vote for me
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 8: in spite of my date with those two. They said,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 8: but this was the first AI race. I think, you know,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 8: we'll see that in November. I think you got a
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 8: preview of some of the crazy ads that they can create.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 8: We used a little bit of AI to show me
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: with an elephant, right walking with an elephant with the
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 8: Maga hat on to talk about the elephant in the room.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: But it was when we used it, it was obvious,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 8: you know that it was just done for a fact,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 8: not to try to mislead people. But you know, on
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  Speaker 8: the other side of this, I've been at this fourteen years.
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  Speaker 8: I've you know, I was instrumental in taking speaker Bayer.
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  Speaker 8: I thought they would take me out for that. I
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 8: was instrumental in opposing the COVID bailouts and all of
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 8: the vaccine mandates, and I got in trouble for that.
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  Speaker 8: I forced a bunch of people to come up here
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 8: and vote during COVID because regular people were working. I
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 8: said Congress needed to work, and I got away with that.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: I feel like a cat who's had more than these
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 8: nine lives, and it's just been you know, if I
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 8: could thank your listeners and Brian's listeners forgiving me the
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 8: opportunity to do this for fourteen years, it's been just
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 8: an amazing honor. And I'll spend the next seven months
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  Speaker 8: working as hard as I have the prior fourteen years,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: and you know, go out swinging, go out proud, and
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 8: go out with dignity. So that's the way it is.
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  Speaker 2: Less than a week after the primary was reu filed
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  Speaker 2: the run again for twenty twenty eight. So is this
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: the beginning of that campaign to get your seat back
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  Speaker 2: on twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 8: I'm keeping my options open. A lot of people want
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: me to run for Congress, for governor, for president, for Senate,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 8: and they thought I would just keep my options open
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  Speaker 8: by filing that. It's also, you know, there are a
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 8: lot of things that the taxpayers don't pay for that.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 8: You might think that they do that. We have to
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: pay for out of our campaigns, and so I've got
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 8: seven more months where I'll need to pay for those
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 8: things that campaigns typically pay for. You know, if guests
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 8: come to Washington, d C. A group of people and
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: their constituents, you can pay for their dinner with the campaign,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 8: but you can't do it with taxpayer money. So it's
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 8: also just a practical matter as well.
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  Speaker 2: All right, how much campaign money do you have left over?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 8: Oh, we spent. We spent it all we raised I
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 8: think about eight million dollars and spend it. A lot
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 8: of it. We spent on your radio station there. I
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: hope you don't go into a depression without the money.
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  Speaker 2: On behalf of the sales staff. I'll thank you for that.
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  Speaker 8: Well, everybody met quarterly goals there at the station.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, absolutely. Hey, we we love we love election
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: time around here here here at the radio station, at
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: the TV stations. I used to work at those, those
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: were you know, the people are there, they're bouncing beats,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: balls around the around the sales area. It's election season.
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  Speaker 8: Tell them, tell them it's time to get back to work.
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  Speaker 8: The next you know, a few one hundred thousand dollars
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 8: of sales is not going to be so easy.
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  Speaker 2: You got to find some private for some private sector
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: money out there.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, you don't ask for a bailout, because I'll vote
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  Speaker 8: against that too.
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  Speaker 2: There you go vote against that. Have since the since
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: the primary has come and gone, Now, have you had
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: any conversations with Ed Gowrun?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 8: I have had exactly one. Car I did call him
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 8: up and concede the race before I gave my speech.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 8: And I gave a speech that some people say sounded
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 8: like a victory speech, not a confession speech, And I
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 8: say that's because you know, we started a movement. Really,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 8: it was more than an election. We had over fifty
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 8: thousand donors nationwide. The world was watching the election. All
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 8: the TV stations showed up to my speech, not to
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: my opponent's speech, because they wanted to know, you know
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 8: what this meant. And what I've realized is we inspired
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: a bunch of state legislators across the country. I have
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: over fourteen years, and they're more resolved than ever to
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 8: be in their state legislatures and fighting. In fact, I
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: talked to one this morning about what's going on there
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: in Columbus, Ohio. They're going to put a ballot initiative
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 8: on to have a constitutional amendment to require voter ID
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 8: in Ohio. The funny thing is you already have voter
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: ID in Ohio. This would just put it in the constitution,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: and they're doing it to increase turnout of conservatives in November.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 8: So it's kind of a placebo. But the legislator I
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 8: was talking to and for me that you don't have
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: voter ID for absentee ballots. And the Conservatives there in
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: Columbus are trying to get Speaker Huffman to put voter
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: ID for absentee ballots because the fraud will just go
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: to the absentees from the in person voting if you
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 8: don't do that. But the Speaker of the House there
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 8: in Ohio is opposing the massy type conservatives in the
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 8: legislature in Ohio who want voter ID for mail end ballots.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 8: They're just common sense folks. So I'm inspiring people like
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 8: that to fight and they're still calling me up and saying,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 8: which what do we fight on? So that feels good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm looking at a poll rid here that finds
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  Speaker 2: seventy six percent of Ohio voters support putting a voto
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: ID in the state constitution. And how did we get
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: to a point in this country we've got here in Ohio, Okay,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: seventy I'll accept that on face value, that seventy six
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: percent of Ohioans want voter ID. When you look at
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: the Save America Act you've got, I think that number
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: is what eighty six, eighty five, eighty seven percent of
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: voters in America want, want that passed, and want that
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: put in the law. How do we get to a
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: point in this country to where we have polling data
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: like that that is consistent across the board, and yet
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: we can't get measures like that approved either on the
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: national level or we have a difficulty with it here
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: in Ohio.
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's crazy. We passed it in the House of
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 8: represent It's US House represents. Now, of course, we can
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 8: only dictate what happens in federal elections, right and so
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: for instance, if you were doing that and imposing on
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 8: the state of California, they could still have a school
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 8: board race where they didn't have vote you know, photo ideas.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm talking about the Senate. The Senate again just
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: failed to pass the Save America Act with the help
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: of Mitch McConnell and some others. And how is it
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: that we're at that point in America right now? We're
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: something this important And look, there's a lot of people
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm among them who want to make the argument
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: that this is the most important thing that is on
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: the table right now.
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  Speaker 8: I agree with you one hundred percent. And what the
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: Tenant vote revealed, they did force a vote, was it?
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 8: The filibuster isn't actually the problem. We got bigger problems
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 8: than the sixty vote rule because they couldn't even get
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 8: the fifty votes. In the US Senate. You did have
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: McConnell and I think the senator from Maine perhaps, and
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 8: a few other Republican senators I think four who voted
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 8: against Photo ID in federal elections. I don't know what
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 8: their explanation is. And they're going against the will of
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 8: the people. And again, and it's constitutional. We're not imposing
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 8: our will on the states because this is only for
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 8: federal elections. And you know, we've voted for it a
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 8: couple of times here in the House. We should, you know,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 8: insist that the Senate does it.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Susan Collins Lisa Markowski, Mitch McConnell, and Tom Tillis.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: We're the ones who said who said no in the Senate.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: Congressman MASSI state right there, we got to get to
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: a quick break and then we'll continue on here on
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  Speaker 2: Eight nineteen fifty five KRC As we continue our conversation
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  Speaker 2: with Congressman Thomas Massey and Congressman Massey, the House last
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: week voted on the War Powers Resolution Act that, according
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: to the Associated Press, would defy President Trump and it
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: would halt US military action against Iran. Your vote on this,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: you voted with the Democrats on this. What give me
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: your reasoning behind that vote?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I like to say I voted with the Constitution
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 8: authored the War Powers Resolution last summer, so this was
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 8: a version of it. This wasn't my version. It's required
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 8: of the president to come to Congress if you want
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 8: to have war, and particularly if you go ninety days
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: past initiating a war without Congress. Now they're claiming there's
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 8: no war going on right now. But the reality is
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 8: we still have a blocking on Iran, which is an
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 8: act of war.
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  Speaker 2: There are some action. There was some action last night,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: if I recall if a memory, they shot down a
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: an Apache helicopter and the United States responded by attacking
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: correct our sites and other installations.
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  Speaker 8: It sounds like war to me, and so that's what
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 8: the vote was on. I believe that what we owe
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 8: our veterans, our active duty actually are mill members of
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 8: the military is a clear mission, the tools to get
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: it done, and a promise to come home when they
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 8: achieve it. And we haven't given that to them. And
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: so I think if we had a good debate in
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 8: Congress and then did an AOMF or declaration of war
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: the AUMF. Look, this is what happened for Iraq I,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 8: Iraq II An Afghanistan that the President came to Congress
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: and got an AUMF before initiating the activities. Because then
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 8: what you'll end up with if you don't have Congress
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 8: on board is Congress has the power of the purse,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 8: and then you could end up in a situation where
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 8: you've got a war that Congress didn't approve, and then
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 8: we want to make sure if we're in a war
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 8: that they're Our soldiers have the and sailors and airmen
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: have the right tools to get the job done. And
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 8: you can't have the White House in Congress on two
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 8: different pages when you do this. Now, the president does
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 8: have the authority to wage the war, to do it
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 8: in the way that he thinks is practical and best
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 8: serves the country without Congress in taming one. But we
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 8: haven't declared it and we haven't authorized that that's what
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 8: we need to do. That could be part of the
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 8: reason I lost my lection, by the way, seventy percent. Now,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 8: a majority of the constituents of my constituents in Kentucky
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 8: do not support war with Iran right now, but seventy
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 8: percent of Republicans who vote in primary Kentucky do support
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 8: the war. And that's one issue where I was. You know,
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 8: I swore an oath to the Constitution, and I promised
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 8: to support my constituent's will. The question is do you
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 8: do you support the will of the majority of your
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 8: constituents are just your primary voters, And even when you
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 8: do that, you have to be in line with the Constitution.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: Of all the Congress. I've had about the war in
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: Iran and the attacks at Operation Epic Fury and all
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: the rest of that. I keep going back to the
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: bottom line against of the notion that Iran has been
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: sponsoring terrorism for forty plus almost fifty years, that they
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: cannot the regime there cannot be allowed to be in
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: possession of a nuclear weapon, And that, to me is
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: really what the bottom line of all this is. Do
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: you agree with that, should Iran be allowed to get
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: their hands on a nuclear weapon? Should they be stopped
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: from allowing that to happen? And if so, how do
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: we go about doing that?
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 8: Well, allegedly we took away their ability to do that
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 8: or set them back years last summer, and allegedly we've
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 8: already done that again. If you want to know the truth,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 8: the reason that last summer that we attacked Iran and
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 8: that we're still attacking Iran is not about a nuclear weapon.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 8: They don't have the capacity to do that anymore. It's
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 8: about reducing their stockpiles of conventional weapons that can reach Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, how do you know how do you know
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: they don't have the ability to produce a nuclear weapon?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 8: Well, I just trust the president. He said it multiple
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 8: times that we obliterated their ability to do it. And
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 8: I can't prove a negative on here, but if you're
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 8: going to anybody who's allegedly going to get a nuclear weapon,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 8: that's why we went after Libya and turned that into
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 8: a hell hole and all the things that followed was
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 8: allegedly Kadafi wanted to get a new weapon. That's what
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 8: they pull out every time. But I can tell you
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 8: from what I know up here, the military calculation was
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 8: to reduce their stockpiles, their inventory of conventional weapons that
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 8: could reach Israel because they were worried that they were
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 8: reaching a point where they could overwhelm their anti missile defense.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, for real reason. Okay, I'll accept that at face value.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: Before I let you go, you had a meeting with
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: the crew of the USS Liberty. Tell me about that.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah. These USS Liberty was a spy ship, American spy
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 8: ship that was unarmed. They were sent to the Mediterranean.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 8: They were sent to basically observed the Sixth Day War
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 8: in nineteen sixty seven. They were attacked by Israeli jets,
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 8: Israeli torpedo boats. They were torpedoed, they received rocket fired napalm.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 8: The Israeli say it was a case of mistaken identity,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 8: but they were clearly trying to take no prisoners and
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 8: sink the ship. They blew a forty foot hole in
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 8: the hull, killed thirty four Americans, wounded one hundred and
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 8: seventy four. There was a seventy percent casualty rate on
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 8: this ship. Our own military waited seventeen hours before they
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 8: sent any help, and they knew this ship was sitting
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 8: there could have sunk, and these soldiers were threatened with
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 8: court martials if they said anything about it, so it
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 8: was years before they spoke out. They haven't received their recognition.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 8: By the way, there are compelling arguments by NSA Director,
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 8: CIA Director Secretary of State back during those period of time,
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 8: that was an intentional attack and it intended to draw
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 8: America into the war. The eyewitnesses who I met this
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 8: week say that the first jets that attacked them were unmarked,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 8: and so this could have been a false flag operation.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 8: According to some very notable people, it could have been
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 8: they just didn't want to vote, spying on what was
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 8: going on during the Sixth Day War, or it could
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 8: have been a case of mistake and identity. Those are
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 8: all out there in any case, these soldiers never received
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 8: their recognition, so I gave a speech. I had over
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 8: a dozen of these, sorry, I called them soldiers sailors
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 8: in my office, took him out to launch and gave
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 8: him the recognition that they deserve as veterans to put
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 8: their lives on the line for this country.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: All right, well, Thomas Massey will have to leave it
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 2: right there. As always, appreciate your time, appreciate you being on.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: And this is why I love talking to you, because
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: I can throw any question at you and you're more
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: than happy to take it. So I certainly appreciate that.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: All the best to you, and we'll be following the
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: campaign for twenty twenty eight.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 8: Thanks very much, Dan. We'll see if there is one
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 8: and what it's for.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: All right, Congressman Tom Massey, thank you very much, sir,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: and we will continue on. I've got another guest coming up,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: Jim Faff of the So I think it will expose
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: us to the accusations that will be exploited by the
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: Trump administration. Oh yeah, very very very very concerned there.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: Governor Gavin Newsom California, very concerned that. Look, we got
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: to hey, I told the registrars we got to get
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: these ballots counted. He wants accountability, he wants he wants efficiency.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: Jim fab from the Conservative Caucus. What a bunch of
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: mumbo jumbo coming from that guy. And Jim, Look, we
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: are in a period right now, and it's unfortunately for us.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: It is a prolonged period where politicians like Gavin Newsom
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: just flat out lie to our face. And look, we
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: know the California elections are as corrupt and crooked as
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: they can possibly be. But everyone looks at it and says, hey,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: that's just the way they do things in California.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: Well that's how property in this work. By the way, just.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 11: Keep staying it over and over again, and then finally
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 11: we're gonna believe it. And by the way, it does
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 11: make me feel a whole lot better that the used
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 11: car salesman looking Gavin Newsom is telling me all this.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are you you're assuaged by that? Are you not?
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can rest easy now knowing that he's
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: on top of it.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 4: Hey, it's the hair jail.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: The hair jail.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: Every time I always call for it. Listen, this guy
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: is so obscene and absurd, and we have to call
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: this sort of stuff out well, no doubt about it.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 4: Politicians of any stripe, whether you like them or hate them,
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: whether they're good or bad, and most or bad, you
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: know they are going to put out a line of
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 4: discussion to try to clarify what it is they hope
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: people will understand. Now, we can accept that in a
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: general sense, just because, particularly in this day and age,
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: the sound bites are short and you got to say
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: something quickly. But there is just a different level of it.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is not your nineteen seventies style politicians
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 4: nineteen fifties, because he is really trying to work with
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: all the Democrats in California and the media in general
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: to put this narrative out that this is just a
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: normal process, when in fact, what California does in its
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: elections is something we have literally and I am not
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: exaggerating to say, never done in this country until this century.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: We had two hundred and thirty plus years of the
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: gold standard of elections. And when I say gold standard,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: I kind of have Churchill in mind, who said democracy
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: is the worst form of government man ever created, except
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: for all the others. So it's not that it was
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: a perfect system, but it was the gold standard fraud
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: could be found typically and when found dealt with, Yes,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: But what is in California is an in set fraudulent
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  Speaker 4: process that he's trying to make out as some sort
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: of normal deal because it gives them an advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you couple that with the expected results,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: I think it's maybe a little bit. How do you
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: explain that Steve Hilton was able to hang on in
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: the governor's race there and not be over ton by
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: the same process that eliminated Spencer Pratt.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, the fraud is not absolute, So whatever
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 4: if any attempts were made to get Hilton off the ballot,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: and he was pretty solid on the election night, so
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: the numbers still went the wrong way. If there is fraud,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 4: and I suspect there is, then when I say fraud again,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: I'm saying fraudulent process. There may be some actual legal
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 4: criminal fraud. I don't know for sure yet, but that process,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: whatever was happening to Spencer Pratt, was happening to Steve Hilton.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 8: He was noticing it as well too.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: But in La County there is a lot at stake
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 4: for the government unions there, for the teacher unions there.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 4: These people have it made.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 8: You've got so.
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  Speaker 4: Many people working in government to have six figure incomes.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the charge to the water where they don't have
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: any water pulls down seven hundred and fifty grand a year.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 4: And the NGO industrial complex is doing really well because,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: as Spencer Pratt rightly pointed out, they've been busting in
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: homeless people to get the money from the state and
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 4: federal government that comes along with having a homeless person
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 4: that you give a needle and heroin to, right, I mean,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: this is how seen and absurd this whole system is.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: And I'm just using one example there. The whole NGO
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: industrial complex benefits down there. So there was more incentive
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: and certainly a more highly concentrated number of Democrats that
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 4: you could work with and allegedly homeless people. You know,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 4: you had James o'keeff and some others ye who had
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 4: some very interesting videos that seemed to indicate that homeless
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: people were being paid for the.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 11: Vote and not to care what their address was.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, there's there are thousands of people at
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: a homeless shelter address. They're getting paid to They don't
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: have to actually vote, they're just getting paid to register.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: So once they get those names on the register, I mean,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: that's that's money in the bank as far as the
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: leftist Democrats are concerned. Jim Faft, stay right there. We
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: got to get to a quick break and we'll continue
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: on on fifty five KRC the Talk station.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 8: Hey's Brian Thomas with Steve from USA installation Steve knows
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 8: t Talks Station.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: Eight on this Wednesday morning. Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: continuing our conversation with Jim Faff, the main man at
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: the Conservative Caucus and Jim, what does it say about
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: where we are right now in electric politics? Where we
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: have a guy in Maine, Graham Platner, who wins with
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: seventy about seventy three percent of the vote, a guy
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: who openly has the Nazi tattoo on his chest, has
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: all the sort of peccadillos with sexting girls on a
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: platform that's called predatory, bad mouse, and poormouse. It says
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: a United States veteran wounded in combat deserved to die
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: those sorts of things. What does what's the takeaway from
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: his overwhelming win last night and the fact that this
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: guy is openly embraced by and large by the Democrat
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: Party in this country.
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  Speaker 4: Well, by setting the whole argument here with a clarificate
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: or the realization that there is a lot of corruption
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: in Congress right now, Grand Platner relates and should make
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: us very well aware of the fact that the Democrat
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: Party is so incredibly obscenely corrupt in how it approaches
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: the American ideal, the political system, and the manner in
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: which power is obtained through what we would hope will
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 4: once again be normal elective processes. So, Grand Platner, the
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 4: fact that he is even all on the ballot says
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 4: a whole lot about politicians in Washington, d C. Of
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: the Democrat stripe because everything that you just described of
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: him is not exaggerated, it is not listed for effect.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: You kind of did the straight man talk on what
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: Graham Plattner is all about, and that alone does not
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: make them say, no, we're gonna we're gonna work against that. Now,
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 4: by the way, Graham Plattner has a right to get
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: on the bout, so you're not talking about you know,
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 4: you make it impossible for him to run. What they
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 4: should have been doing is saying, no, this guy is obscene,
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 4: We're not gonna have anything to do with him, and
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 4: supported Governor Mills to get that. Frankly, I think Mills
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 4: would have a better chance of beating Susan Collins in
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: the general election. But they are insane about what Democrats
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 4: are about what they believe the American system ought to
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 4: be moving towards right now, which I say is and
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: overthrow the American Republic. We got a bunch of problems
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 4: with how we follow the Constitution and put our systems
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 4: of government in its proper place, in its proper restraint.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: But Democrats go to the next level on that too.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: There it's raw power graph. They have to win Maine
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: to have any chance of getting to send it back.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: So they ended up going all in on the bet
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: that seemed to be working at the time, and that
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 4: is an immoral That was an imral play on their part.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: I said earlier this morning that I think the most
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: confused guy in politics this morning has got to be
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: Eric Swalwell, when he's got to be looking at it
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: at platter and say, look, hey, I slept with a
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: Chinese spy. I did everything I could the further the
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: leftist agenda, but somehow I ran a foul and you know,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: came into the displeasure of those who control the Democrat Party,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: so they kicked me to the curb. How does Eric
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Swalwell reckon what happened with Platinir last night?
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: I think I hadn't thought of it, Dan, and then
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: your brilliance you brought that out, and you're absolutely correct.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: But see, here's what happened there. In California. They had
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: other options, They had other decent options, Like all they
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: had to do was get someone across the finish line.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, I love Steve Hilton, and it'd be great
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 4: if he could become governor and maybe a miracle will happen,
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: and I'll certainly be glad to hear that, but that
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: miracle is not likely to happen there. Whereas in Maine,
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: Susan Collins has been re elected enough that she could
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 4: get reelected again, and Plattner was just blowing Governor Mills
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: out of the water. So they said, okay, well, you
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 4: know this is our horse. We're going to ride on it.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: And so so swallow All was expendable in that regard
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: and Plattner was not.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 2: And make no mistake, if Platner, for whatever reason, falls
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: in into or displeases the overlords of the Democrat Party,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: they will kick him to the curb in a heartbeat
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, well here, let me give you my prediction here,
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 4: because I do think something like that's going to happen.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 4: I do believe that it's going to become very obvious
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 4: through the summer. The Grand Plattner is not going to
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 4: have a chance of beating Susan Collins, even though, by
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: the way, Susan Collins is so wimpy she won't even
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: take this on. I mean, it's just really blows my mind.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: But Platner is actually, I think, likely to be in
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: such bad shape with Susan Collins that they'll just do
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 4: it Joe Biden and knock him out and put Governor
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 4: Mills in and go from there and they might pick
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 4: up the seat if they have any sense that they
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: can do that. That's exactly what they're going to do.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: Well anviolating every principle of democracy that we've ever heard.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: Democracy doesn't matter. The only thing that democracy, don't you know,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: that matters is serving the leftist agenda. That truth doesn't matter,
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: political ideology doesn't matter, None of that matters as long
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: as you are in service to the leftist agenda, and
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: you are a reliable operative in that sense, then you
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: will advance in the Democrat part.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 4: That is exactly the case, and it is raw political power.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 4: You know. What's really interesting is for as frustrating as
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 4: our system can be, because as I'm saying all these
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 4: things about Democrats, I got a lot to say about
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 4: John Thoon not having the inability to work a system
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 4: to get a Save America actors.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: That's just it is beyond it is, Jim, it is beyond.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: And I was I was talking to your buddy Thomas
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: Massey about that. Beyond this grade. I don't think there's
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: anything that's more important on the table right now than
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: the Save America Act and the fact that they will
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: not let that go ahead and get past. And I
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: was reading a piece earlier today, uh and and then
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: the author was suggesting that Donald Trump has to send
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: JD Vance to the Senate and make Senate make their
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: life a living hell until they passed this, uh, this
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: Save America Act.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 4: I truely believe that. You know, it's funny that you
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 4: bring up the JD Vance thing, because I one hundred
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: percent agree. And it's very interesting. At the opening of
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 4: our country. John Adams in his private letters and otherwise
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 4: noted how insufferable it was sitting in that President of
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 4: the Senate's chair as Vice President of the United States,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 4: with nothing to do, and just having to watch everybody grapple.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: And then he would throw in some of his fourteen
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: little things of him and how useless that is. And
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 4: now here we come to twenty twenty six, and actually
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 4: there is power in the President of the Senate's chair.
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  Speaker 4: And the President of the Senate is jd Vance. The
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  Speaker 4: majority leader just represents one part of the caucus, even
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  Speaker 4: though he kind of runs it because of the fact
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  Speaker 4: that that that you know there seems like it's usual.
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  Speaker 4: So here we could have that whole scenario that John
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  Speaker 4: Adams insufferably had to deal with turned into something very
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  Speaker 4: good for the Republic. And I would endorse that. I
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  Speaker 4: think I would love to see jd Vance go in there,
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  Speaker 4: take charge of the Senate and say that we're going
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  Speaker 4: to a different direction. Boy, all right, Jase, he can't
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  Speaker 4: break all the rules of the stuff, but he needs
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  Speaker 4: to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Jim, so great having you on. I always appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm way late for a break, so I got to run,
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  Speaker 2: but Jim faff Conservative Caucus keep up the great work,
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  Speaker 2: my friend. We'll be talking again soon. Thanks Dan, good
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you all right. There, you go and
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  Speaker 2: check him out at the Conservative Caucus eight forty nine
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  Speaker 2: fifty five KRCV talks days
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  Speaker 4: In this twenty fifth anniversary year of September