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244: The Cattle Market Rallies Again and Canada’s New Traceability Rules Are a Train Wreck with John Campbell · CattleUSA Daily

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In today's episode with John Campbell, we are breaking down
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the live cattle markets and what we have been seeing over the
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past week. We got a lot of positive news
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for you guys coming into this episode And then into our main
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topic. John and I are talking about
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regulations in Canada and what in the world is going on as far
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as traceability in EID's and all of the other nuances and then
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how that relates to us as US producers.
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We're talking about Canada today, but what does that mean
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for you here in the United States on your operation and
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what we need to be doing now so that we don't end up in those
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Without further ado, let's go ahead and hear from John.
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Welcome to the Cattle USA Daily podcast.
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Your go to. Source for the latest livestock
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markets, industry insights and the updates shaping agriculture
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today. I'm your host Lauren Moylan, a
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passionate advocate for agriculture, here to keep you
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informed and connected. Now let's dive into today's
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episode. John, welcome back to the
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podcast once again. How is life in lovely Lahana?
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We were just talking about the fact that you have gotten more
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snow in Lahana than we have gotten all year.
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And I'm pretty sure you got more snow this week than the
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mountains have even gotten in Colorado.
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You know we did. We got about 5 or 6 inches here
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Friday night, I guess. And you know, of course the
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weather said we were supposed to get an inch and we got 5.
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So it had some moisture in it. You know, we're here if you
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don't know where La Hunta's at, why, you know, we're lower than
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the armpit, but we're in that the, you know, that part of the
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anatomy there. It, it's dry and it's, we're
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just, you know, dry country and it, it, we don't normally get a
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lot of moisture. And one thing too, it doesn't
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take a lot of moisture. It's more about the timing here.
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But you know, we're just an inch over any desert in the world as
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far as rainfall goes. Pretty much.
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I know you guys. It was wet, you know,
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everybody's excited and I think it went E Dodge City and through
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there got got good moisture. And so yeah, it'll, it'll help.
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Yeah, 100%. I love it.
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Well, on that note, how did the markets do this week to the
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weather Factum, how are we feeling?
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What give us the rundown on what happened in Lahana and kind of
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the region as well? You know, no, we had a few
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cancellations locally on on account of the weather and
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they'll be coming next week, but not very many right at 6000
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cattle here in Lahanta this week.
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I thought the lightweight steer cans, you call them 10 to 20
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higher again this week, they just catch fire and they just
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keep going. The heavy steer cabs, I called
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them four to 10 better and the heifer cabs pretty much steady
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with last week but I called them sharply higher last week and so
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pretty much steady on them. 4 weight steer calves up to 620.
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We had some 535 LB stairs bring 514 that certainly would have
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been better. I think five O 3 or 4 was the
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best we did last week. You get into kind of the stalker
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weight steers and you could really see it there on those 550
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to 650 weight cattle. I thought they were another 10
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bucks better and the feeding steers 5 to 15 higher 6 weight
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cattle up to 458. I mean these cattle are bringing
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2800 dollars. They had £120 stairs here right
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at $4.00 a pound and 8:30 weight cattle to 367.
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Over on the on the heifer side, little 4 weight effers up to 530
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a pound, five weight effers at 4:48.
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Again the stalker heifers, they were probably higher.
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I call the light heifers steady, but some of those handy weight
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effers, you call them 10 bucks higher in spots.
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A little more are feeding them for market steady.
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You sure wouldn't need cheaper in spots.
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Couple bucks better. We had some 600 bound black
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heifers bring 422 1/2 really fancy.
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As a matter of fact they're going back to the country.
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Somebody who breed them some £750 charlet cross.
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They don't all have to be black. Brought 351 would have topped
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our market here and 880 LB blacks at 3 O three O 8.
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So awfully good big run up in the commodities market on
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Tuesday. Sure didn't hurt anything.
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They sold them off yesterday, Wednesday, we're recording on
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Thursday. They've got them back up 400
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points again today. So I don't know if the train
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keeps going, it's going up. Oh, yeah, Hold on, dive boys.
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It's been a good one. I mean, I can't complain.
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A lot of people across the region can't complain.
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It's been a good week. If you're in the selling
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position, what are we seeing kind of across the region?
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Is that, is that playing into Wyoming or Dodge City, our
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Salina locations, all of those as well?
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What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, yeah, Jeff's going to have
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a special sale next week at Winter Livestock in Riverton.
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Didn't have that many this week, but Salina, KS at our market and
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Salina again a pretty good desk. They had 3000 cattle and called
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it 825 higher. I, I mean I look at our market
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and I think my guys that's runaway and their little steers
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about like excuse me, about like ours 4 weight steers up to 6:15.
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But you know they had some 5 weight cattle to 565 and some 6
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weight steers up to 465. And if our 7 weight cattle
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brought $4.00 there brought 418. You know it, it's just the
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unbelievable the weights under £600 they would have called
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their heifers higher four weight heifer AT-555-A5 weight effort
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480 their best 6 weight ever brought 412 but then sell some
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730 LB feeding efforts in Salina at 368 Dodge City with the 24175
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cattle. I, I, I thought, you know,
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really good five to they didn't have a lot of light cattle and
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dodge, but the 5:50 is a 7 weight steers, you know, a day
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later, 10 to 15 higher and the heifers pretty much similar to
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ours, steady to as much as 10 higher of five weight steers and
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dodge about like ours. 512 was the best they did same way on
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their six weights 453. That'd be, you know, 234 bucks
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within our highs and then they'd sell some 7 weight cattle in
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Dodge as well for $4.00. They're a heifer deal, 5 weight
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effers 476. And again on these I'm telling
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you about the very best. But they would do some volume at
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those numbers. You know, I'd be telling you not
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about onesie twosies, 6 weight effers up to 410 and 7 weight
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effers there in the heart of feeding country at 363.
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So like cattle market real similar to ours and yesterday in
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Dodge City why you know they're they're heifers would have again
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been a little stronger than than what we got along.
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All in all you know nobody's calling anything any cheaper
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across the country. Most people steady strong do for
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the general consensus would be that everything was a little
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higher. People that have orders are
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coming to the sale with the last week's prices in mind aren't
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aren't getting much done. Add to the Kitty to participate.
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Yeah, absolutely. It has been a good week, pretty
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well across the board for everyone selling.
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And so it's really encouraging to continue to start all of our
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2026 in this light and with some positivity and with some good
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things. As long as, you know everyone
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else keeps their mouth shut about the cattle market,
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hopefully we can continue to see this go for at least a little
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bit longer and milk it as long as we can for those producers
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out there that are selling right now.
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So we'll change the topic, John. I want to talk about our friends
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to the north and some government regulation for our lovely
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Canadian friends and all the things that are just going on
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there and get your thoughts and your opinions and raw,
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unfiltered John on what in the hell is happening in Canada.
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John. Well, I think I make the
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comparison because you know, there are our neighbors to the
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north and this is this is The Reg now, this is the way the
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regulations read and you must comply by and it's the CFIA,
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which is the Canadian Cattle Identification Agency.
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And this is they just put it out.
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They were going to have some meetings with some producers
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around to explain to him what they've done to him.
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They can't do anything about it, but we'll explain to you what we
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did to you. And it's about just mandatory
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computer reporting and the responsibility is on the
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producer. And anytime you move cattle and
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they've got a PowerPoint presentation, I'll go over it.
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But all that has to be recorded within seven days of when it
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happens. And I just think it's full of
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holes. Just basically the first thing
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that you have to have. Years ago they were even making
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4H. Kids here have a premise ID
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number. Well, that is mandatory.
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You got to know where the cattle are AT, and that has to be Id'd
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with a number. And it sounds pretty easy.
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Well, hell, just whatever your address is.
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Why? That's what your premise ID
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number is. But you know, do I need an ID
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number for where I live or where my processing pins are?
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Remember, we're trying to trace disease here, so we need to know
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where they're going and where my pastor is.
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Even if it's out in the middle of nowhere, you know, those
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pastures have no ID number. The world is full of huge
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pastures and wheat fields that set out in the middle of nowhere
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that absolutely are miles and miles from any kind of a
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premise. They're a hot wire around
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several 100 acres that are 40 miles from the nearest Rd.
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What the hell? How do you record that premise
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ID number? The government is so excited
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about knowing exactly what cattle are at that location, and
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the location has no ID number. But the problem goes on in that
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these pastures that are unfenced, a lot of them are
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commingled. The pasture is with state land
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or with federal land or federal land or state land overlaps into
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you have a state land lease, but it sets out overlaps it into
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your private ground. Well, what's the state land ID
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number or premise ID number? And like I said, those are are
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intermingled with private land within a pasture.
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A kind of a typical scenario, a truck loads cattle or unloads
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into a a set of portable pins, which happens on wheat fields
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all the time. S North Dakota, I've loaded
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cattle there, they're full of them.
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Everybody owns a set of those wheeled bins with a chute on
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them. They don't have a permanent
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facility at every pasture they own.
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So how do you get an IA premise ID with them?
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And you know, whose premise ID do you use if that's what they
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want to know where the cattle were unloaded?
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We were talking a little bit before, and I know of huge
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ranches in New Mexico that are from anywhere from 50 to 100
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sections in one pasture. Nevada would be full of them.
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New Mexico is made of them. And then within the pasture, and
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I'm getting cattle actually off of that ranch here in two days
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there, there's a subdivision in the middle of the pasture.
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And I guarantee you there's fifty homes within that pasture.
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And some of those guys own one acre, some of them own 100
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acres, but you're leasing that area that's comprised of who
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knows how many different premise ID points and, and, and, and
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some of those guys, by law, they have to fence the cattle out.
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It's not the guy running on the ground.
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It's the same way here in Colorado.
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You have to fence me out. Well, my cattle are going to run
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on your premise. Do I have to record that ID
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because they drank, ate a bunch of chicken guts out of a through
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you had for your dog and and then we've got an epidemic going
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on. Well, it started at that, that
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premise. But I can guarantee you of those
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houses in that subdivision, unless they've got a little
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Shetland pony, they don't have a premise ID.
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Some of them move out there and say, oh, well, hell, this land
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ain't worth it. Just sell me 100 acres of it and
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you're, you're running on that. But the guy has no premise ID,
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doesn't even know what you're talking about because he doesn't
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own any livestock. And so anyway, your traceability
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deal. And I can't imagine that Canada
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doesn't have the same scenario that we would have in the United
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States. Your premise ID is already ended
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even before it started because so many places in rural America
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have no common reference where you can even register a premise
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ID. And in this Canadian deal with
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the PowerPoint regulations go on to say that specifically when
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and where you have to scan and read these ID numbers.
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An example here would be if you make an appointment with your
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veterinarian, whether you're taking a cow in, whether you're
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going to fertility testable or whatever, you need to enter.
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You, Mr. Producer, need to enter into your computer where you
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load it. And this is mandatory.
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The license plate of your pickup and your trailer that's hauling
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the cattle, your premise ID and the premise ID of where you're
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taking these cattle. Remember, it's all about
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traceability. Now where you unloaded and name
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every individual ID of, of every animal that you put on the
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trailer and where you unloaded them and the date and the time.
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And I can guarantee you we have a, a vet facility right across
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the street. And without fail, you take a cow
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to the vet or a bull to the vet and then you go to the sale.
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I mean, you just, you just make one trip.
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You buy 15 head of cows at the the cattle auction while you got
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your cow or your bull over there at the vet shop.
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Well then when you load everything back up, well you
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bought too many cows. So you got to have your neighbor
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help you haul them and the neighbors rig.
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You'll need to know what his premise ID is, what his license
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plate on his pickup and trailer is.
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He takes part of your cows and you take your one, He takes your
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one bull back. Well, he's got a scan each one
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of these cows that he loads on that specific carrier.
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And your livestock haulers are going to love it because they'll
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all have to have they've got a split load going three different
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places because they're trying to fill their truck.
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Well hell, the guy that bought the cattle doesn't even know
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where he wants to unload him at, so how in the hell is he going
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to give him a premise ID number? And then like this guy, unless
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you had your handy dandy scanning wand in your hip
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pocket, well shit, the neighbor helped you.
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He didn't bring his wand with him.
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And then on the way home, why he decides he wants to buy three of
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your cows? Well shit.
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So he drops off 3 cows, gate cut.
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He needs to scan them and enter his premise ID of where he
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unloaded them and the time. And then without fail, Lauren,
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you want him to put 7 cows in the north pasture, then haul 3
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cows over here to Grandma's place and the rest of them?
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Why I need to go to Junction City with them and turn them
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out. And incidentally, you have to
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scan that specific cow that goes to Grandma's place.
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It can't just be one of the cows that you bought.
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It has to be the number off that individual cow.
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And we go right down the list. And that happens everyday.
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You know, he, he, he gates cuts the, the cows out of there and
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you dump them at two different places.
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Well, you better get ready and get your wand ready because you
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got to scan the first three that come out of the deal and then
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document the time and the premise ID, which doesn't exist
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of where? Where the hell you you, you
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unloaded them, you know. And in the meantime, since you
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forgot your scanner. Oh yeah, those cows,
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incidentally, those 3 cows commingled with 100 other ones
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in the same pasture. So good luck finding which three
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you just unloaded because they're all black cows and
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happened at three different locations plus the ones you
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kept. And it's just that that's just
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one of the PowerPoints that they've got.
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It's moving into community pastures is another thing.
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We have hundreds of thousands of cattle that run on forest that
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are commingled with other people's cattle.
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What's your responsibility as a producer to know where they're
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at, which specific cows you own or in which specific pasture?
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And you've got a rider up there that'll move those cattle will
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anytime they're moved to a premise ID spot?
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Well, you've got to record that and be responsible for which
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cows were moved. Carcass disposal is another one.
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Wait a minute, Mr. Dead Wagon Driver.
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I didn't get your name of where you're taking this carcass or
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this dead cow, what its premise ID number is, and I missed
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because you had a bunch of guts on your license plate.
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I couldn't read that. And would you mind if my wife
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would crawl up on the dead pile and scan that cow's number?
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I sure as hell need to know which cow you just drug up on
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there on farm disposal. Now that's another PowerPoint.
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And and Lauren, it is documented.
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I'm just creating scenarios that I guarantee you're going to
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happen. They're telling you that's the
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regulation. It's my favorite because here's
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my potential computer entry on my on farm disposal.
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Wolf killed 3 calves, found where he drugged and buried two
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of them and I got their, I got their numbers.
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I took my scanner and got those dead ones but he ate the ears
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off the other calf. But I was able within the
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mandatory 7 day recording time to shoot and gut the wolf.
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And now I'm proud to say that my report includes not only the 15
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digit cap number that I entered, but also the tracking number off
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the dead wolf caller. So, you know, you got to look at
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the the positive side of it. Hell, you wanted the number and
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so here you go. But it's just crazy.
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Within seven days, record all the bursts and deaths.
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Of every animal on your ranch, you know, I'm back to my
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scenario, the guy that has the ranch with 80 sections, you
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think he's out there tagging and and and has the 4050 sixty
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calves in a day over 80 sections.
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And he's going to be out there tagging those cows so he can
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fall in compliance with the seven day window that you got to
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tag them. I don't give a damn.
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But you got 50 cows, 100 cows or 500 cows.
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You will not get them all scanned with your they they have
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the what they call the CLTS mobile phone app.
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Then you'll get that on your phone and you're going to, you
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scan all those cabs and then upload the information to your
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XL file through their web portal.
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Because the part of the problem will be hell, when you was out
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there doing that shit, you're in the middle of nowhere and you
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didn't have any cell service to begin with.
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How in the hell are you? You know what I mean?
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How are you going to download all this stuff to them?
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But it's asking you, you do the work, you comply the data, and
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you share the informations. I've figured out how they're
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going to pay for it and how they're going to get the
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manpower to record all the data and do this.
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Well, hell, we'll just have the producer do it.
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Let him let him do it. He's going to keep all the
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records. And and you know, these things
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start in these committees. And I would love to see the
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group of geniuses that they assembled when they set up the
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regulations that and, and the protocol with this Canadian
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government. And it's it's their Agri food
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division. Can't you?
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I mean, who with any practical sense would have let this stuff
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become a regulation? But it's a regulation now.
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It's on the books. You do it.
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And we sat around and we let this stuff go through and it
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can't be done. There is no practical
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application for what the hell they're talking about.
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Like you and I mentioned. Hell, if you've got 9 cows on
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five acres and you're sitting out there with your headlamp on
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a bucket waiting for the cab so you can camber, yeah, that
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sounds good and great. Hell, anybody ought to be able
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to do that. But you know, this committee, if
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it's anything like we would have here in the United States, you
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know, I'm sure it's overloaded with special interests.
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I learned a new term, ENGOS, which are environmental non
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governmental organizations and they're out there and we talked
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about some of them, the Bezos Earth Fund this that they
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infiltrate and they donate huge sums of money to government
23:18
entities so they can be involved in the discussion.
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And, and you know, they can be part of the narrative because
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they just give you $3,000,000. And and you know, why do you
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think the company that sells the ear tags or the two or three of
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them help? Yes, we'd be happy to sponsor
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the roast beef dinner. And incidentally, we'll rent the
23:45
entire fifth floor of the Hilton convention and give all the
23:49
committee members a, a coupon for a free cocktail and a
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background help. You know, why in the hell else
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do you think they're there? Shit there they want put in on
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the narrative and on the ground floor with the government on on
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how all this is going to come down and they got no idea how to
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implement. But they damn sure want to be
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there to sell the tags. And of course, you know, I'm
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sure the Canadian Beef Council is there because now that
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they're assured of a revenue source every time A tag is read.
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Did I did I mention the JBS is sponsoring the entire first day
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at the NCBA convention mention this year just putting two and
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two together there for a minute. And of course every purebred
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breed association that you know, this guy has 9 cows, this guy
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has 20, maybe this guy has a hundred.
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Well, Shitty will look out his back window and see every one of
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them. And these purebred guys just
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can't understand why in the hell everybody doesn't have a shoot
24:50
there and you can run them through the shoot every time you
24:52
want to move them. And then of course, the token
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Miss Daisy Hickenloop Super, who we would have here in Colorado,
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who is, by the way, representing all independent cow producers.
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And Daisy's husband is a retired PNS agent and Daisy has three
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Highlander cows, 2 boar goats and a pot bellied pig.
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So you talk about a producer that is diversified.
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She's our gal and I've been to a lot of them and there's one in
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every committee. You know, this particular gal
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draws a lot of attention because she's got her matching pink
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straw hat she bought at the stock show and her moon boots
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on. There's one in every group.
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You ever noticed that? And that's our liaison person
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for the for the producer because hell, she's the only one that's
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got time enough to go to all the meetings.
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But the veterinarians are sure be there because they're going
25:47
to be animal identification device managers and there's an
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application that you can fill out if you want to be a device
25:55
manager. And they want to be able to
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ensure that they can distribute the tags and the tag readers and
26:03
sell all that crap at full retail.
26:05
But mainly they want to be damn sure that it's the producers
26:10
responsibility and to provide the infrastructure, the reading,
26:14
the recording and the managing all the data and not the
26:17
veterinarians. So they're damn sure on the
26:20
committee. You know why OK, this is up in
26:23
Canada or you hear about it in in this foreign country that why
26:27
the Canadian regulations now why why are they so important?
26:31
You don't have to look very far and to read that.
26:36
Our own USDA has documented and they have people, I don't think
26:41
their leadership is now, but they have people in the USDA
26:46
that are committed and, and, and like I said, they've documented
26:49
multiple times that they will in fact implement an ID system that
26:55
tracks cattle from birth to slaughter.
26:58
That's part of their mission statement.
27:00
They documented. It's there.
27:02
I've had vets at work here even four or five years ago, say,
27:06
John, get ready. As I'm telling you, it's coming.
27:10
And I get to thinking there's more conspiracy out there all
27:14
the time. You know, the more you looked
27:16
into this, but it it's called collective control.
27:20
The more data they can collect, the more they can control the
27:25
outcome or the scenario that exists out there.
27:29
You know, Lauren, those producers that because of their
27:31
age or their financial limits or facility requirements or as I
27:37
mentioned, even logistics, there's no way they can comply.
27:41
Well, those people, the little guys or the guys that it is
27:45
physically impossible to comply. You know, they're going to be
27:50
forced out. You, you either comply or you
27:54
can't. You can't do business.
27:56
And we do have one person in in Wyoming, Harriet Hegman.
28:01
And you know, she is an advocate for ranchers and producers.
28:07
And she has even said a statement that I think everybody
28:11
should adhere to. It's not about collecting all
28:15
the information, the government collecting all the information.
28:18
And I think this really hits it's about what they can do once
28:23
they have the information collected.
28:25
And and and that comes from one of our own congressman that's
28:28
belly deep into the conversation again, collect so you can
28:34
control. And you know, we've got states
28:38
like California that already has a cap on how much carbon you can
28:43
produce and how big your footprint is and forcing you to
28:47
buy carbon credits if your feet get too big.
28:51
And you can buy them, you can buy them from a solar powered
28:53
windmill or you can install a methane digester Ireland.
28:59
And again, this, this is far reaching, but but it just kind
29:02
of substantiates what I said. They adopted an Eid tagging
29:07
program for cattle in 2022. The next year they ordered the
29:14
slaughter of 41,000 cattle in Ireland to reduce global
29:19
warming. Because now they knew they there
29:22
they could measure it. They collected the data so then
29:26
they can control the narrative and and they can control the
29:29
output true statement. And you know, we set back and we
29:33
think, oh hell, that ain't going to happen.
29:35
That it, it's, it's happening. It's here that everything that I
29:38
told you, those PowerPoints that I put up taking them to the vet
29:42
right in the license plate number down every animal at
29:45
every location all the time, anytime you move them.
29:48
That's a regulation now in Canada, it's on the books.
29:51
You got to do it. Oh hell, how's some, you know,
29:56
little guy in Missouri going to comply with all that?
30:00
Hell, he doesn't even castrate a bull, let alone ear tag him and
30:06
he has no facility. So you, you, you eliminate that
30:11
guy and we get more and more concentrated and more this
30:14
vertical up and down and it squeezes the people that can't
30:18
comply out. Yeah, I think it goes.
30:22
Down. I think it's a great idea.
30:24
Other than just a couple talking points, you just have a few
30:27
edits, right? Not not many, just just a couple
30:31
suggestions, right? But I mean, we're, we're, we're
30:35
next. I mean, we're on the list and.
30:39
Yeah. It's how I, I feel for those
30:41
people in Canada and hopefully they can, you know, but I've
30:45
been down that road before and I have proven to, to government
30:50
people that it is impossible to comply.
30:55
And here are the facts. It's already a law.
30:58
So what they've done to me is, well, I see.
31:02
No, there would be no way you can comply.
31:05
Well, pay a $2500 fine and we'll go on to the next deal.
31:10
True, true fact, true fact. Colorado has a law where where
31:13
where they have to certify scales in the country and, and,
31:18
and, and Colorado has the certification.
31:21
If you trade cattle in the country, you only have to test
31:24
it one time a year. A video company, a country
31:28
salesperson, someone that has a livestock auction like we do,
31:32
we're required to test the scale twice a year.
31:36
Well, because we're handling the transaction and we're classified
31:40
under an auction, any scale that we weigh on has to be tested
31:44
twice a year. But yet the state of Colorado
31:47
does not employ enough people, nor do the weights and major
31:51
companies to go around and test every scale twice.
31:55
Physically impossible. They do not have the man Bauer
31:59
to do it. And so guess what?
32:02
They don't get tested. So you are not in compliance
32:06
because the tail, I think we finally got it changed to within
32:09
six months, but it needs to be tested twice a year.
32:13
Well, Mr. Rancher, you're not in compliance.
32:15
So here you go, 2500 bucks and that's a true story.
32:21
And I wrote the check so you know, and then you say, what
32:25
have we accomplished here? PNS what, what have we done?
32:28
Where we go? Well, you know, we'll just try
32:30
to do better and nothing changed and what we're going to go on to
32:34
something else next time. But but that's the problem with
32:37
so much of this, these regulations are made, they're
32:41
put in place and there's no one, absolutely no one with a
32:45
practical grasp or boots on the ground person that that knows
32:51
how any of this is going to be implemented because nobody
32:55
that's doing the work is represented on the committee.
32:58
But yet the law goes through. So here we are so just saying
33:02
Harriet Hagman is from Wyoming and she is a congresswoman
33:07
there, and she's running for the Senate.
33:08
And I hope she wins. But boy, you know, if she could
33:12
get you in contact with people or you need to get in contact
33:16
with people that you know, they're, they're taking this way
33:19
too far. And there's no way these, the
33:22
way it is specifically outlined, can ever be put in place.
33:27
And it will absolutely destroy commerce.
33:30
And you, you can't do it as a producer.
33:33
And that in Canada, that's where all of it's going to the
33:38
producers responsible for all of it, which I don't like, but I
33:43
sure as hell don't want it. We can't do it here either.
33:47
I, I, I mean, if you saw how we handle our vets, got three of
33:51
those readers, Kelly says. There is none of them work.
33:55
You know, you're out there scanning the son of a buck as
33:57
she's running by you or else you're going to take everybody's
34:01
cattle that's going out of state and run them through the shoot
34:04
again and read every tag because they've been commingled after
34:08
the sale. No, no, nobody will will
34:10
tolerate it. We could do it.
34:12
We damn sure do it. But Warren, it might be 3 days
34:15
before you get your cows home, and I don't know who's going to
34:18
pay for the ones that get crippled or down or the feed or
34:22
all the expense that goes along with implementing this
34:25
government program. Like I said, that an answer to a
34:28
problem we don't have. Exactly, exactly where does
34:32
where does it end to? Like we don't have this problem
34:36
right this second, but we have seen it play out in a few too
34:39
many other countries and it's getting a little too close to
34:42
home. And then if this gets
34:43
implemented, where does where does the ball stop rolling?
34:46
What's the next domino that's going to fall?
34:48
I think is a serious question that people need to start asking
34:51
and get really serious about what this looks like.
34:56
And our voices need to be heard as producers.
34:59
We need to be on those committees.
35:00
We need to be in those rooms. We need to be talking about
35:03
this. That way it doesn't get
35:05
implemented on us with no control and no execution.
35:11
And that's the biggest problem, right?
35:12
Who's executing this? How is it being executed?
35:14
Why are we doing this in the 1st place?
35:16
All of these things that like, so we could sit here for hours,
35:20
John, and talk about every single point on this policy that
35:22
is wrong and that they need to change and all of these things.
35:25
But where does where did the Dominus stop falling?
35:29
I don't know and and you know you, you can go like me and
35:32
throw rocks at it and point make up a scenario, but you know, the
35:37
scenarios that I related are everyday deals.
35:41
They happen all the time. You know, people share work,
35:44
they share help and you mean to tell me I got to know the color,
35:48
the sex, the Eid number and the brand hot brand, if they've got
35:53
it and I'm going to somewhere and I'm going to unload in the
35:57
middle of the night. And hell, I don't know what his
36:00
premise ID number is, you know, and, and so it, it, I guess
36:08
there's more to the equation than as I've said before, then
36:13
disease traceability, because you're not, but to put all of
36:18
this on the producer and, and then they'll have to put some
36:22
teeth with it. They'll be masses of people that
36:25
absolutely cannot comply. And so you're, you're taking
36:31
their liberty away and you're taking their independence away
36:34
and forcing them out out of business.
36:37
And we'll just deal with the people that that can handle it
36:39
and that we can control. And that will fall in line with
36:43
this bullshit scenario we've we've manufactured.
36:47
Yeah, definitely. So anyway, it's, you know, like
36:54
I said, I, I think Rollins is hopefully she is, it's come to
36:58
the realization of some of that. But you know, I, I made
37:02
reference to and, and, and that's a big deal.
37:05
These non governmental corporations that get involved
37:09
in the narrative. That's not good.
37:11
I, I, you know, it, it doesn't matter what party they come
37:14
from, you know, they're, they're, they're in it to, to
37:17
make a buck and, and, and, and to, to sell.
37:21
They're no different than last week we talked about Jeff Bezos
37:24
given $3,000,000 to the University of Nebraska to study
37:28
methane. You know, and, and, and, and,
37:32
and grouping with USDA and, and governmental agencies taking
37:37
outside money to help fund these projects.
37:41
It doesn't matter what the project is.
37:43
You can't have a mixing of those two entities and think it it
37:47
it's going to be not partial to 1 persuasion anyway.
37:50
Yeah, absolutely. Make some really, really good
37:54
points and I think it's important for producers to
37:57
understand some global points and news that are happening and
38:01
how that is affecting us here in the States and how it could
38:05
could affect us in the future. And pretty stay diligent, stay
38:08
diligent on the policies that are being put into place, who
38:12
were voting into office, the decisions that are being made.
38:15
All of those things will come back and play a factor in how we
38:20
are allowed to raise our cattle, how we are allowed to go about
38:24
our operations and what that's going to look like for the next
38:28
5, five years, the next 10 years and the next 50 years.
38:31
AG is going to continue to change.
38:32
The beef industry is going to continue to change.
38:34
But it's important that we are the people having those
38:36
discussions and that we're letting our voices be heard so
38:40
that people that live in a brownstone aren't the ones
38:43
making the decisions for us actually living on the ranch.
38:46
So you made some? By the time like those, those
38:50
poor producers in Canada, by the time they get wind of the
38:54
specifics, the regulations already in place and it sounds
38:59
all right, Well, he'll just put a ear tag in them, you know, and
39:03
then Lauren, you, you own that ear tag.
39:06
If there's a problem, why, why call me?
39:09
You know, that's traceable back to me.
39:11
But when you have to start writing the license plate number
39:16
down and the premise ID number of when and where you move one
39:20
down the road 5 miles to a different premise and you
39:23
become, you know, all the specifics start coming out in
39:27
this and it's a logistics commerce and a bookkeeping
39:32
nightmare. Yeah, all of it.
39:35
It's and everybody would everybody up there is
39:37
dumbfounded because now after they put the rig through there,
39:41
they're just finding out, oh shit, we got to do this.
39:45
We got to do this to implement too late now, you know, unless
39:49
you got somebody pretty congressional strength that, but
39:53
I'm here to tell you that they, they don't care.
39:56
You know, you, you get it done. And if you can't get it done,
39:59
we'll find you to your knees until you either quit or do get
40:03
it done. And we see it all the time and
40:06
it it, it, it makes no sense. It can't be done.
40:10
It can't be performed. But yet we make a lot out of it.
40:14
Yeah, absolutely. It's a cluster if I have ever
40:18
seen one that is Ford anchor cluster and fill in the word
40:22
that you'd like to put in after that for whatever you're viewing
40:25
ears decide. But it's a cluster and it's it's
40:30
a mess. In the almond.
40:32
Yes, yes, cluster. Yes.
40:35
Those are my favorite too. Those are my favorite as well.
40:37
So yes, they're. Pretty great.
40:39
Little expensive, but they're good.
40:42
They are good. It's real luxury when you get
40:44
some cashew clusters. I tell you what, I tell you
40:47
what. All righty.
40:48
Well, John, this is a great discussion as always.
40:51
It's really important that United States producers continue
40:54
to stay diligent on what is happening and how we can
40:57
continue to just watch out for things that might be trickling
41:01
down the road and as the Domino's fall, trying to do what
41:04
we can to change those paths in any way possible.
41:07
So, John, thank you for your insight.
41:09
Thank you for your thoughts. To all of our listeners out
41:11
there, thank you for listening to another episode of the Cattle
41:14
USA Daily Podcast. Have a great rest of your
41:17
weekend y'all, and we will see you on Monday.
41:20
Have a good one y'all.