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Discover Your LEADERSHIP Archetype and Unlock Your Potential · Business Roundtable

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the Business Roundtable podcast. I
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Speaker 1: have another amazing guest for you this week, a good
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Speaker 1: friend that I've met along my warrior journey, Brendan Murphy,
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Speaker 1: the founder of Harmonic Awakenings. And I was talking to Brandon.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad glad to have him on here because
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Speaker 1: he's just a man of many talents and experiences and
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Speaker 1: he's just going to drop some great knowledge and wisdom.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure as you listen in, particularly for you guys
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Speaker 1: out there, we're gonna make this episode really targeting to
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Speaker 1: men in this this particular episode, because you know, in
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Speaker 1: this day and age, brend and I were talking about
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Speaker 1: how do we become uh men of leaders that were
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Speaker 1: following and how do we how do we go on
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Speaker 1: this journey And I'm just excited to learn more about
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Speaker 1: the King's Chamber Brennan and your experience, and we were
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Speaker 1: just talking about meditation and just this journey of these
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Speaker 1: different archetypes out there. And so welcome number one Brennon,
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Speaker 1: just to the Business Round Table of podclast cast. Glad
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Speaker 1: to have you here.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: David, Yeah, I would love before we get I mean
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Speaker 1: just a little bit I want to get into the
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Speaker 1: King's chamber. But I think that there's so much to you,
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Speaker 1: Brendan kind of breed. You know, you've had a marketing
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Speaker 1: agency and now you're coaching, and you've been you know,
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Speaker 1: been coaching for a while now, and you've worked with
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Speaker 1: so many different business owners. I would love to hear
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Speaker 1: just briefly kind of what got you to harmonic awakenings
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Speaker 1: and why it's so important to you, and you know,
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Speaker 1: we're going to dig more into this, but a little
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Speaker 1: bit of your journey and just share that with our
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Speaker 1: audience today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to do that. So so yeah, essentially,
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Speaker 2: like you know, most of my life, I was born
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Speaker 2: into a musical family with a father who was touring musician, singer, songwriter,
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Speaker 2: and my mother was like really into meditation and I
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Speaker 2: used to have like, you know, weekly meditation events at
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Speaker 2: the house. And so between the the you know, my
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Speaker 2: father's music and my mother's meditation, you know, I was
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Speaker 2: kind of in a pretty cool situation when I was younger,
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Speaker 2: and of course when I got a little bit older,
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Speaker 2: you know, started off on my way. You know, I
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Speaker 2: had a couple both of my parents were entrepreneurs. Neither
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Speaker 2: one like worked to day jobs. So I was able
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Speaker 2: to kind of find a cool flow into just running
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Speaker 2: my own thing. And so so yeah, I mean I
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Speaker 2: went through a lot of different phases in life, but
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Speaker 2: it pretty much went from like musician to music producer
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Speaker 2: to like marketing guy with a little bit of coach
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Speaker 2: in there at first. But I had an interesting experience
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Speaker 2: because after I stopped touring, like, I didn't realize I
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Speaker 2: was going to go into coaching. This was back in
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Speaker 2: like twenty nineteen, and I just needed something that I
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Speaker 2: could do from home that you know, didn't require me
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Speaker 2: to travel a lot. So anyway, I ended up kind
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Speaker 2: of stumbling into the whole coaching thing and got my
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Speaker 2: first group coaching program off the ground after just a
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Speaker 2: couple of months ending the touring stint, and and kind
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Speaker 2: of ran into this problem of well how am I
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Speaker 2: going to grow this business? I don't know how really
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Speaker 2: to do marketing that well, at least I didn't think
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Speaker 2: I did time. I wanted you know, automated systems and ads,
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Speaker 2: and I mean I had this whole idea about how
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Speaker 2: it was going to be done. So anyway, after I
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Speaker 2: you know, ran that first group coaching program, I jumped
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Speaker 2: into a mastermind where I was supposed to learn all
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Speaker 2: of that, and I learned all this stuff and didn't
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Speaker 2: really work. So I was kind of stuck in this
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Speaker 2: position of after like four months, I had only gotten
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Speaker 2: like a five hundred dollars deposit from one person after
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Speaker 2: building funnels and running ads and all this stuff, and
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Speaker 2: what was really kind of at the end of my rope.
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Speaker 2: And at that point, actually my father got interested. He
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Speaker 2: was one of the first five people in that group
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Speaker 2: coaching program, but it was interested in some of the
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Speaker 2: stuff I was talking about in marketing. Was paying a
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Speaker 2: marketing agency a bunch of money to help him with stuff,
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Speaker 2: and they weren't really getting results for him, and said, well,
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Speaker 2: we're already budgeting this, so we might as well just
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Speaker 2: transfer it over. You know, do you want to maybe
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Speaker 2: try to do some of this stuff? And I said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I can do a better job than
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Speaker 2: that what you guys are paying for right now, even
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Speaker 2: though I've never run a marketing agency, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I understood what needed to be done. So anyway, that
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Speaker 2: was pretty successful, and we had done over six figures
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Speaker 2: in sales after a year online with funnels and ads,
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Speaker 2: and so then I expanded and started working with other
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Speaker 2: musicians and other people and business owners, and that went
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Speaker 2: on for years. You know, built a team of six
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Speaker 2: people ran this thing, but I wasn't able to really
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Speaker 2: hold the team together, and eventually everything kind of you know,
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Speaker 2: I realized that it was like I had the marketing thing,
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Speaker 2: but like the whole leadership thing, I didn't really definitely,
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Speaker 2: so you know, I couldn't really hold it together, and
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Speaker 2: I ended up continuing to run the agency in and out.
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Speaker 2: I would work with, you know, a couple of people
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Speaker 2: to outsource certain projects, try to train people, but you know,
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Speaker 2: ended up just sort of, you know, working as like
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Speaker 2: a freelancer with a little bit of delegation and outsourcing
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Speaker 2: with my clients. And then, yeah, just kind of last
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Speaker 2: year in the middle of Warrior Council, where I met
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Speaker 2: you and a bunch of the other guys that have
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Speaker 2: been on your podcast, that's when I kind of started
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Speaker 2: to begin, you know, making the transition back into coaching again.
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Speaker 2: And that's recently been completed and I've sunset of the agency,
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Speaker 2: so I don't do done for your marketing anymore. And
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Speaker 2: that's kind of been my journey through the space. So
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Speaker 2: I'm committed for this year to just really focus on
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Speaker 2: the coaching aspect of the business, with one core offer
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Speaker 2: and a couple of smaller events and one mainly the Mastermind,
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Speaker 2: which is called the King's Chambers. What I'm working on
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Speaker 2: and Harmonic Awakenings is really more based around meditation and
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Speaker 2: manifestation in connection to meditation. So it's really just all
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Speaker 2: about helping people achieve a state of flow where they're
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Speaker 2: able to you know, guide, be guided by their intuition
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Speaker 2: and you know, just be connected to a deeper, higher
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Speaker 2: source than you know, their own human mind. That just
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Speaker 2: you know, seems to really accelerate people's progress and also
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Speaker 2: put them in a place of where they can enjoy
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Speaker 2: what they're what they're gaining, and what they're winning. So
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Speaker 2: it's been actually, interestingly enough, it's been easier to scale
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Speaker 2: this than the marketing agency, mainly just because I enjoy
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Speaker 2: the work, right, so, you know, I don't have this
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Speaker 2: sort of hesitation to sell somebody because I know that
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Speaker 2: once I've taken the cash, that like I'm on the
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Speaker 2: hook for you know, a hard grind of a ton
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Speaker 2: of you know, marketing work, and you know, and and
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Speaker 2: so yeah, you know, that's that's actually made it easier.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's like, I don't know how to say it,
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Speaker 2: but like I think it's one thing that entrepreneurs oftentimes
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Speaker 2: struggle with is like it's definitely easier to sell a
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Speaker 2: done for you service because obviously the person who's buying
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Speaker 2: it doesn't have to do it, they just pay you
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Speaker 2: you do it, and then you know that's that the
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Speaker 2: problem is is that that model is definitely harder to
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Speaker 2: scale because now you have the issue of like you
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Speaker 2: can only do so much work yourself for anyone of
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Speaker 2: any kind, and so now you're in this situation of
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Speaker 2: where you have to train people to do it. And
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Speaker 2: you know, it's like you're you're hiring people, you're training,
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Speaker 2: you're training them, you're oftentimes paying either with your time
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Speaker 2: or with your money to train them and pay them
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Speaker 2: to do it. And so you don't actually get out
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Speaker 2: of the need to like coach people and train people.
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Speaker 2: Even if you're building a done for you type business.
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Speaker 2: There's like, even if you're just starting a cleaning company,
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Speaker 2: like to replace yourself, you have to train people. There's
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Speaker 2: no way out of it. You're either like you know,
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Speaker 2: leading and to some degree sort of training or teaching
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Speaker 2: customers or clients on some level. If they don't follow
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Speaker 2: your lead, then you can wind up in a position
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Speaker 2: or even though you're running your own business, you feel
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Speaker 2: like you're just working a job and just absolutely want
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Speaker 2: you to do and you know that that's you know,
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Speaker 2: that feels like a step backwards for people. It's definitely
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Speaker 2: a myth that just because you run your own business
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Speaker 2: you have more freedom.
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Speaker 1: Than Yeah, yeah, definitely, so you know, so there's.
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Speaker 2: That, and then what else. There's also the whole thing
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Speaker 2: about like like if you if you're like coaching people
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Speaker 2: or you're or you're training people, then it's like, well,
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Speaker 2: you're you're actually selling the transference of knowledge and skill
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Speaker 2: directly to them. And so either way, like you have
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Speaker 2: to do it, and you find in this you find
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Speaker 2: yourself in this position as an entrepreneur where you can't
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Speaker 2: escape the necessity to step into a leadership role and
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Speaker 2: try to transfer your knowledge and skill to other people,
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Speaker 2: because whether it's with clients or employees or whatever it is,
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Speaker 2: you have to do it otherwise you can't replace yourself
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Speaker 2: and you can't grow your business beyond yourself.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm excited to dive into some of these
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Speaker 1: architects and understanding because what you one of the things
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Speaker 1: you were talking about, Brandon in this journey that I
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Speaker 1: heard you say was just finding this kind of this
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Speaker 1: true place leading yourself, getting yourself in this healthy place
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Speaker 1: to the way you can transfer knowledge. Well, and of
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Speaker 1: course we can sell lots of things, but the people
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Speaker 1: that sell, if you will, the things that they're really
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Speaker 1: passionate about, that that's I think the best place to be.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been I'm sure you've been sold by
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Speaker 1: people that you're like, do you really believe in this
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Speaker 1: product or service? Like, not really, but I've been paid
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Speaker 1: as a salesperson, you know, Like you can tell the
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Speaker 1: difference between somebody that really believes it and is involved
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Speaker 1: and engaged with that, and how can they you know,
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Speaker 1: I think that's so important and along their journey, Like
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Speaker 1: you said, Okay, I did this marketing agency, but that
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Speaker 1: wasn't quite for me, you know. And I you know,
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Speaker 1: you're still a successful musician. You've brought that, You've infused
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Speaker 1: that with the meditation, but I think, you know, I
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Speaker 1: want to encourage people that are listening to the Business
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Speaker 1: round Table podcast, is that we're in a pursuit to
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Speaker 1: help you be you know, the most effective leader, whether
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Speaker 1: you're the business owner or you're leading a team, you're
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Speaker 1: a director, you're you're an entrepreneur within the company. And
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Speaker 1: I've invited Brennan here because he's got unique skills and
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Speaker 1: experiences that although there's some parallels that we have, there's
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Speaker 1: it's very unique. Like we just talked about the very
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Speaker 1: beginning of this of your journey, Brandon, and so I
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Speaker 1: love to have different voices talk and share to give
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Speaker 1: you maybe a different perspective and what it looks like
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Speaker 1: to lead your business. Well, so if you wouldn't mind
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Speaker 1: brandan kind of like get us to you know this
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Speaker 1: this we were talking about, like this archetypal journey that
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Speaker 1: people go through. And obviously you go group greater in
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Speaker 1: detail in this king Chamber, but just kind of for
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Speaker 1: people that maybe have never heard of archetypes in journeys
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Speaker 1: and you know, the mythologies and I'm a big on
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Speaker 1: like Joseph Campbell and following the hero's journey and there's
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Speaker 1: lots of things there, but maybe there's some people that have, Hey,
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Speaker 1: this is new to them. They haven't heard this before.
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Speaker 1: They don't even considered this. And what's your kind of
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Speaker 1: unique perspective on this right in?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, archetypes, you know, is a very broad topic
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Speaker 2: because you have everything from uh, you know, astrological signs
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Speaker 2: to you know, esoteric you know, systems like the Kabbala too,
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Speaker 2: you know, like I mean, it just it kind of
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Speaker 2: goes on and on. But in this case, we're really
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Speaker 2: just dealing with four arch types and inside of the
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Speaker 2: King's chamber in the context of the work that I
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Speaker 2: do with men in relation to building businesses. They're actually roles.
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Speaker 2: They're roles that you play, and there's both this large
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Speaker 2: arc of what a man goes through in life that
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Speaker 2: spans years or decades when it comes to switching these
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Speaker 2: roles out, and then there's also the smaller arc that
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Speaker 2: once you sort of master each of these roles, you
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Speaker 2: can go through the cycle faster and build more. And
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Speaker 2: the key thing to understand about these and I'll get
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Speaker 2: into what they are in a minute, is that, you know,
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Speaker 2: they're kind of this natural way that men move through power.
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Speaker 2: It's just like the four seasons of you know, spring, summer,
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Speaker 2: you know, fall, winter, and then it comes back again.
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Speaker 2: It's a natural cycle and it's very unif and that's
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Speaker 2: why it's so powerful and why it can be applied
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Speaker 2: to men who are at any stage of their business
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Speaker 2: development in understanding how this stuff works, because you know,
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Speaker 2: if you look at it from a linear perspective, you
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Speaker 2: can really get confused because you think there's some ultimate
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Speaker 2: place that you're going to wind up where you're at
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Speaker 2: the top and now you don't need to do anything,
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Speaker 2: and that that's not good, right. So looking at it
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Speaker 2: this way has proven to be very useful and allowed
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Speaker 2: me as a coach to work with guys you know,
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Speaker 2: who are anywhere from just starting a new business that
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Speaker 2: they end they have never really started one before, to
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Speaker 2: you know, they already have a business that has eighty
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Speaker 2: clients at once, and you know they're they're trying to
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Speaker 2: remove themselves from the business and and and delegate, you know,
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Speaker 2: so that they can work on something else. Yes, regardless
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Speaker 2: of where you're at in your you know, business building journey,
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Speaker 2: whether you've had one company, whether you've had ten, if
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Speaker 2: you get this and you really understand how these archetypes
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Speaker 2: work and you're able to move fluidly within them, you're
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Speaker 2: not going to get stuck anywhere, because you'll understand the
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Speaker 2: natural flow of energy of how men move through power,
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Speaker 2: and you can apply it to yourself. You can also
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Speaker 2: use it as a framework to help lead other people
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Speaker 2: and make sure they don't get stuck, either whether it's
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Speaker 2: your employees or your mind.
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Speaker 1: I think that's well, you know me because I have
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Speaker 1: a background and environmental consulting back and I love the
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Speaker 1: natural rhythms. There are natural rhythms throughout our world, the tides,
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Speaker 1: the moon, the seasons, and so I think, you know,
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Speaker 1: the world that we live in has this, but if
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Speaker 1: we try to kind of force it or try to
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Speaker 1: force it away, that's not natural, not and and we
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Speaker 1: try to like, well I only want to stay in summer,
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Speaker 1: and you're like, well there is there. You can't stay
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Speaker 1: in summer. It just doesn't work that way, you know.
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Speaker 1: So you can try to pretend, but it doesn't work
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Speaker 1: that way. So thinking about I love how you're presenting this, Brennan, Like,
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Speaker 1: are you aware of the season or that you're in?
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Speaker 1: I'm using the season you're you may have another word there,
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Speaker 1: but are you aware in what what role or what
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Speaker 1: place right now? And what is that looking like for you? So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm very interested learn more about the archetypes and hopefully
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Speaker 1: people are listening to them and they're thinking where am
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Speaker 1: I in this journey?
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm yeah definitely okay, So so yeah, if you want,
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Speaker 2: I can just kind of dive into it and start
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Speaker 2: to explain what's what's going on. So if you kind
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Speaker 2: of envision just like a wheel right like this, you
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Speaker 2: have probably the best way to look at it is
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Speaker 2: I put if if the wheels turning clockwise like so
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Speaker 2: right at about the three o'clock spot. This is where
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Speaker 2: we kind of start as young boys, and I mean
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Speaker 2: really young like baby boys, And it's in the arc
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Speaker 2: type of the lover. And this is a this is
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Speaker 2: an archetype where there's no other where it's like everything
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Speaker 2: is one. You know, all you know is love. There's
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Speaker 2: no fear, and it's just this total flow. Right. So
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Speaker 2: babies are in this state. They experience emotion, they might
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Speaker 2: cry sometimes, they might laugh sometimes, but like they have
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Speaker 2: no fear, right Like you know, probably as a father
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Speaker 2: and little kids are like what are you doing? They
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Speaker 2: don't have any fear. So, like they'll crawl right off
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Speaker 2: a countertop or run right off a ledge unless you
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Speaker 2: go and grab them. And in many ways that's beautiful
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Speaker 2: right to be in a place that's fearless. Right, So
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Speaker 2: you know, and is one thing that tends to happen
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Speaker 2: when you have children is that as a man, it
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Speaker 2: will naturally kind of start to pull you back into
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Speaker 2: that lover arc type if you you know, if you
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Speaker 2: have made it far enough around the wheel. The problem
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Speaker 2: is is that a lot of men they really haven't
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Speaker 2: made it far enough by the time that happens, and
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Speaker 2: so it ends up being a state of tension. So
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Speaker 2: a lot of men are very afraid to become fathers
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Speaker 2: because they haven't really gotten to go back to the
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Speaker 2: lover after you're a young boy requires you go around
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Speaker 2: the wheel. So so let me explain this. So, so
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Speaker 2: a man between about the ages of one to three
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Speaker 2: is in that lover arc type and is basically completely
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Speaker 2: bonded with his mother. And around the age of two
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Speaker 2: or three, something happens. The mind develops enough that the
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Speaker 2: boy can start to use language and is able to
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Speaker 2: sort of project his imagination on some level. And this
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Speaker 2: is where it's like the mind is now at a
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Speaker 2: place of where it becomes kind of its own little world.
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Speaker 2: And that time of development is often also when like
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Speaker 2: you know, little boys will tell their first lie, where
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Speaker 2: they'll start to like, you know, try to play tricks
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Speaker 2: on other people or try to find clever ways to
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Speaker 2: manipulate or get out of things. And so that's when
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Speaker 2: you move from the arc type of the lover to
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Speaker 2: the what I call the magician, So the arc type
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Speaker 2: of the magician. And this is something that you know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of friends of mine who are Christian kind
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Speaker 2: of object to it. They're like, you know, one guy
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Speaker 2: was like, well, why don't you call it the miracle
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Speaker 2: worker or something. It's like, no, the magician really is
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Speaker 2: the right way to say it, because the reality is
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Speaker 2: is that the magician, the magician's cleverness, the magician's ingenuity
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Speaker 2: and inventiveness is actually primary only driven by fear. Because
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Speaker 2: this is when you know, when boys come to no fear.
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Speaker 2: This is this is why people tell lies they're afraid
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Speaker 2: of something. All that deception and manipulation and all the
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Speaker 2: rest of that, it's all fear motivated. People are trying
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Speaker 2: to avoid some kind of consequence, and this drives a
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Speaker 2: massive amount of inventiveness and cleverness in the world. You know,
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Speaker 2: you think about it, and you think about all the
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Speaker 2: inventions of war, everything from like guns to the atomic bomb.
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Speaker 2: It's all fear driven cleverness, but you know, very destructive
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Speaker 2: and you know, as smart as it might be in
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Speaker 2: some ways, as clever as it might be, you know,
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Speaker 2: it obviously has its limitations and its ability to improve
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Speaker 2: the situation. In fact, there's nothing more than the work
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Speaker 2: of the magician can be the most destructive thing ever,
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Speaker 2: because you know, it tends to be since it's driven
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Speaker 2: by the root of all negative emotion, which is fear.
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Speaker 2: People who get stuck in the arc type of the
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Speaker 2: magician tend to suppress emotion entirely, and because it's necessary
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Speaker 2: if they are going to try to avoid or destroy
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Speaker 2: or lie or manipulate or whatever. So because you know,
21:20
Speaker 2: fear is the opposite of love, so it kind of
21:22
Speaker 2: goes from love to fear. Okay, first, little turn right,
21:26
Speaker 2: and they're just kind of at the bottom of the wheel,
21:29
Speaker 2: right at the six o'clock position. Got it. And so
21:34
Speaker 2: then unfortunately, this is where a lot of men just
21:38
Speaker 2: get stuck. And the reason for this is because with
21:44
Speaker 2: enough cleverness and intelligence, I mean, it's it's pretty amazing
21:47
Speaker 2: what you can manipulate and lie and deceive your way into.
21:51
Speaker 2: You can get yourself in a position of power, You
21:53
Speaker 2: can build an entire company, you can get yourself into
21:57
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff in them materialistic world where a
22:01
Speaker 2: lot of people really they don't value anything but like
22:04
Speaker 2: more stuff and more money. The reality is that the
22:08
Speaker 2: skills of the Magician are sufficient to get that. It's
22:11
Speaker 2: just that the means by which they're obtained might not
22:15
Speaker 2: be you know, good or in inegrity. Right, So there's
22:22
Speaker 2: an there's an ethical problem that starts to develop that
22:26
Speaker 2: that ends up creating the situation where men who get
22:29
Speaker 2: stuck in the Magician because of the lies, because of
22:32
Speaker 2: the deception, because of all these things, if they don't
22:35
Speaker 2: start to move out of it and overcome their fear,
22:39
Speaker 2: then they start to get weighed down by guilt and shame,
22:42
Speaker 2: and it creates this place of where there's this negative
22:47
Speaker 2: feedback loop that just sort of if it gets bad enough,
22:53
Speaker 2: what ends up happening is it ends up reversing the
22:57
Speaker 2: whole flow of movement around this circle back into the lover,
23:01
Speaker 2: except it's degraded. By being degraded, it's like, actually love
23:06
Speaker 2: is lost because it's still being degraded by fear, but
23:08
Speaker 2: you have you know, all of the sort of because
23:12
Speaker 2: the magicians all driven by deception. What you wind up
23:16
Speaker 2: with is the appearance of love, usually in the form
23:19
Speaker 2: of lust and pleasure and things like that, and everything
23:24
Speaker 2: starts to go backwards in this kind of crazy reverse spiral.
23:29
Speaker 2: And so then you have guys who, you know, they
23:31
Speaker 2: get into their magician energy and they have all this money,
23:34
Speaker 2: and they have all these sports cars and all this stuff,
23:36
Speaker 2: but they're lying and cheating and deceiting, and you know,
23:41
Speaker 2: they got you know, they might have a wife, but
23:44
Speaker 2: they have like a couple of girls on the side,
23:46
Speaker 2: and you know, you just wind up with the situation
23:49
Speaker 2: where even if they might be good in business, they're
23:51
Speaker 2: actually you know, kind of not really fulfilled or happy. Yes,
23:56
Speaker 2: material success, right, A lot of American men wind up
23:59
Speaker 2: in this base so and a lot of them never
24:03
Speaker 2: get out of that because they don't figure out how
24:05
Speaker 2: to reverse that flow. It's very difficult once you have
24:08
Speaker 2: momentum going in that other direction because you've driven enough
24:11
Speaker 2: by fear and you're going counterclockwise around the circle. Then
24:15
Speaker 2: what ends up happening is you pass out of the
24:17
Speaker 2: lever and reverse and you wind up a tyrant and
24:20
Speaker 2: it just keeps getting worse and you end up losing
24:24
Speaker 2: everything ultimately.
24:26
Speaker 1: So how do how do we break out of that? Yeah, like,
24:29
Speaker 1: IM sure this is part of your journey, but what
24:30
Speaker 1: what's what if if we if we you know, because
24:33
Speaker 1: I you know you and I we've been a warrior
24:35
Speaker 1: and we know about you know, stop lying and really
24:38
Speaker 1: stop living. And I agree with you. We all have
24:40
Speaker 1: a form of lying, mostly to ourselves other people. So
24:46
Speaker 1: how do you what is that you know, if you
24:49
Speaker 1: can break through the lies, break through the deception, like
24:52
Speaker 1: you're saying, Brennan, how do we what what? What's the journey?
24:56
Speaker 1: How do we get to the next part of the
24:57
Speaker 1: journey or Yeah, well here's the.
25:00
Speaker 2: Thing that you have to realize to get out of that.
25:05
Speaker 2: Because of course the next arch type is the warrior,
25:08
Speaker 2: which is just fascinating because this is where all the work,
25:12
Speaker 2: you know, Garat White has done an warrior, it's all
25:14
Speaker 2: relevant to this arc type. It's really all designed to
25:17
Speaker 2: move men out of the magician into the warrior. And
25:21
Speaker 2: so that's all very well documented in you know, the
25:24
Speaker 2: whole warrior process, and the essence of it is that
25:30
Speaker 2: you have to just sort of realize that anything that
25:33
Speaker 2: you're building based on lies and deception as a limited
25:38
Speaker 2: life span. And the more you build, you're kind of
25:42
Speaker 2: building a tower of Babbel, right, Like more power you
25:46
Speaker 2: get and the more gains you get in that are
25:49
Speaker 2: ill gotten. You can keep building and keep building and
25:53
Speaker 2: if you can sustain it for a lifetime, but when
25:57
Speaker 2: it collapses, it falls very hard, right, as they say,
26:04
Speaker 2: you know, oh, how the mighty have fallen, right, And
26:10
Speaker 2: so you can see, you know, from the collapse of
26:12
Speaker 2: empires to all kinds of examples of guys going the
26:16
Speaker 2: other way around the circle where they continue to be
26:21
Speaker 2: fear driven, that even if you become the emperor, it
26:24
Speaker 2: all ends very badly for you. You know, you look
26:27
Speaker 2: at like, you know, a Hitler is a great example, right,
26:31
Speaker 2: So so yeah, I mean it's it's just like a
26:35
Speaker 2: lot of what Garrett says, it's just like stop fucking lying, right,
26:41
Speaker 2: But of course, I mean it's very simple, but it's
26:46
Speaker 2: not easy because you have all this momentum and if
26:48
Speaker 2: you're gonna stop lying and tell the truth, because obviously
26:52
Speaker 2: there's the lies of comission where you're speaking things that
26:55
Speaker 2: are false and lots of omission where you're hiding what's
26:58
Speaker 2: true and you're not speaking it. When you make that
27:02
Speaker 2: reversal from deceiving and lying to telling the truth, all
27:07
Speaker 2: the stuff you've built on the deception begins to crumble.
27:12
Speaker 2: You actually accelerate its decay until it completely collapses. And
27:16
Speaker 2: you have to because if you don't get rid of
27:18
Speaker 2: that and you don't allow it to collapse, you're never
27:21
Speaker 2: able to get the momentum going the other way. Yeah,
27:24
Speaker 2: so that's really kind of the first battle of the
27:27
Speaker 2: warrior is to make that determination and summon the courage
27:32
Speaker 2: to tell the truth, because if you don't someon the
27:34
Speaker 2: courage to do that, you're just going to keep you know,
27:38
Speaker 2: building and burning. Right, the kingdom keeps building and burning,
27:42
Speaker 2: and nothing lasts, and you lose your house and your
27:45
Speaker 2: girlfriend and your business over and over again. And when
27:48
Speaker 2: it happens, it pretty much all happens at once, you know,
27:51
Speaker 2: with one swoop, right, Well, we've all probably been through
27:54
Speaker 2: that because that's the default thing that guys go through,
27:57
Speaker 2: right until they get stuff. So so yeah, so you know,
28:03
Speaker 2: you move into the warrior, and that's really all about courage.
28:06
Speaker 2: It's about finding a heart again and summoning the courage
28:11
Speaker 2: to move out of fear and into love again. In
28:14
Speaker 2: some level, the problem is is that now, even though
28:19
Speaker 2: you're moving into love, there's duality, right, because in the
28:24
Speaker 2: lover there's unity, there's no duality. When you move into
28:28
Speaker 2: the magician, now there creates this sort of cleft of
28:32
Speaker 2: where it's like you and what you're afraid of and
28:35
Speaker 2: trying to avoid that. And then in the warrior the
28:38
Speaker 2: duality is still there, you know, because you're in this
28:41
Speaker 2: battle right where you're taking action. You're taking action, you're
28:44
Speaker 2: grinding away, you're hacking away, you're doing what's necessary to
28:47
Speaker 2: fight for your family and build your business and do
28:49
Speaker 2: your thing and tell the truth. But it's a battle
28:52
Speaker 2: and it's hard, yeah, and it's exhausting, and the reality
29:00
Speaker 2: is is like you're not going to win on your own. Yes,
29:07
Speaker 2: that's the problem with the warrior. That's the problem with
29:09
Speaker 2: the warrior archetype is that there's only so far you
29:13
Speaker 2: can take all of this yourself. Yeah, because you know
29:18
Speaker 2: you're surrounded by people and you have limitations. You build
29:21
Speaker 2: a business, you're going to be limited in how much
29:23
Speaker 2: income you can generate for yourself and your family, if
29:26
Speaker 2: you're just operating on your own, and then if if
29:29
Speaker 2: nobody's following your lead, even in your family, because it's
29:32
Speaker 2: not just business, it's also your personal life that nobody,
29:37
Speaker 2: nobody wants to follow your leader, you're not even offering
29:41
Speaker 2: that or getting yourself in a situation where that's possible,
29:45
Speaker 2: then you wind up kind of in this in this
29:49
Speaker 2: battle where it's like you just feel so overwhelmed and
29:55
Speaker 2: in many cases like lonely. You might be fighting the
29:59
Speaker 2: good fight, you might be doing the right things. You
30:01
Speaker 2: might be, you know, in a place of where you're
30:04
Speaker 2: doing okay, you're doing better than you were when you
30:07
Speaker 2: were stuck in the Magician. But the one of the
30:10
Speaker 2: sacrifices that's often necessary to get out of the Magician
30:14
Speaker 2: is like, since you're letting what you built on lies
30:17
Speaker 2: and deception crumble, there's this place of where even though
30:20
Speaker 2: you're moving up the wheel now and you're in a
30:22
Speaker 2: better place, oftentimes guys have to let go of relationships, businesses,
30:28
Speaker 2: you know how all kinds of things.
30:31
Speaker 1: Just just go to the word because I was built
30:33
Speaker 1: on lies. I mean right, you're going musicians and this
30:35
Speaker 1: stuff is built on livees. So you don't want to
30:36
Speaker 1: keep holding onto the lies, right you're fighting, so you
30:40
Speaker 1: do have and that's painful times to let go of
30:42
Speaker 1: those things.
30:42
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, there's a heavy price to pay for telling
30:47
Speaker 2: the truth and exposing yourself and letting go of all
30:50
Speaker 2: that stuff. And it could really like the whole life
30:53
Speaker 2: that you've built on lies has to go. And the
30:56
Speaker 2: thing is is that you really don't even have a
30:59
Speaker 2: chance of winning until you've completely let all of it go.
31:04
Speaker 2: If you hold on to even a small bit of it,
31:07
Speaker 2: it's going to be enough weight to drag you down.
31:09
Speaker 2: And even though most of you might get into the Warrior,
31:13
Speaker 2: you'll never get all of you into the Warrior. Some
31:16
Speaker 2: of you will stay stuck in the Magician, and because
31:18
Speaker 2: of that, you'll never move to the next arc type,
31:21
Speaker 2: which is the King. Okay, so in order to in
31:27
Speaker 2: order to move to the king archtype. It's interesting because
31:33
Speaker 2: you know, part of what makes it so hard for
31:35
Speaker 2: people is that what you have to do to get
31:38
Speaker 2: into one of these is often what you have to
31:41
Speaker 2: stop doing to get out. So you know, so when
31:46
Speaker 2: you move from Magician into Warrior, that really means doing
31:49
Speaker 2: more and taking more action and being less mental and
31:54
Speaker 2: relying less on cleverness and more on like hard work
31:57
Speaker 2: and massive action. Okay, but to get out of the
32:01
Speaker 2: warrior and into the king you have to do less,
32:04
Speaker 2: not more. And the only way you can get away
32:09
Speaker 2: with that when you've built a kingdom and you've created
32:12
Speaker 2: this whole thing, it's not even really a kingdom at
32:13
Speaker 2: that point. It's more of just like you're fighting the fight, right,
32:16
Speaker 2: it's like it's a war, yeah, because you haven't gotten
32:20
Speaker 2: victory yet, right, So so you have to you have
32:27
Speaker 2: to do less actually because and the reason for that
32:30
Speaker 2: is that it's not just more action that wins the battle,
32:37
Speaker 2: it's the right kind of action. And it's also to
32:44
Speaker 2: get any leverage on your own time. To get to
32:47
Speaker 2: a place of where you can go beyond what's possible
32:50
Speaker 2: for one person, you have to you have to actually
32:55
Speaker 2: you have to take responsibility for things, but you have
32:58
Speaker 2: to let go of control of them. Otherwise you can
33:03
Speaker 2: never effectively delegate because micro managing every person that you
33:07
Speaker 2: give to the job, you're not really allowing them to
33:10
Speaker 2: shine and step into any kind of leadership themselves.
33:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's just what Just because you're you're just
33:19
Speaker 1: you're you're describing to me and in some ways, you
33:23
Speaker 1: know the solopuneur, right, the warrior, I'm doing it all myself,
33:28
Speaker 1: and now I'm I've got to bring a team around
33:31
Speaker 1: me to build the kingdom. And if if I know
33:34
Speaker 1: all the answers, that's that's not right. You have to
33:37
Speaker 1: have other people that have answers, Like you said, letting
33:39
Speaker 1: control go. And I think a lot of people that's
33:42
Speaker 1: interesting because you fought so hard. You're doing this work
33:45
Speaker 1: like I'm doing it, and then you're like, but I
33:48
Speaker 1: have to let other people come in and have the
33:50
Speaker 1: answers and and fight the battles, and and and I
33:53
Speaker 1: don't have all the quote unquote answers, right, I mean,
33:56
Speaker 1: that's that is a challenge of letting go, Like you said,
33:58
Speaker 1: what I have to stop doing what I have to
34:00
Speaker 1: start doing to move from that warrior two king And
34:06
Speaker 1: that's you could see that could be really hard too, right, Well.
34:10
Speaker 2: I mean, and you might even have all the answers.
34:12
Speaker 2: The problem is that answers aren't going to win a
34:14
Speaker 2: war for you. Yeah, you know, swords, you need more
34:19
Speaker 2: sword arms. You know, you need more more crossbowmen, you
34:22
Speaker 2: need you need more warriors, right, just one warrior can't
34:26
Speaker 2: win the war, right even because you're you're storming the
34:31
Speaker 2: fortress and you know it's a siege. So like, you know,
34:36
Speaker 2: even if you're the most incredible warrior, even if you're Cone,
34:40
Speaker 2: the barbarian, you know meets like you know, I don't know,
34:46
Speaker 2: like like your Conan the Barbarian meets the terminator. Just
34:49
Speaker 2: really don't have a chance. You're gonna get taken out
34:53
Speaker 2: by yourself because it's for any one person. You can't
34:57
Speaker 2: run a kingdom yourself. So even if you take the castle,
35:01
Speaker 2: well what what what's going to happen after that? How
35:03
Speaker 2: are you going to manage the whole thing? So you
35:07
Speaker 2: have to get other people on board with what you're doing.
35:10
Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting about that is that now
35:14
Speaker 2: you're moving into a little bit of a whole different
35:18
Speaker 2: thing where it's like it's about it becomes about you know,
35:23
Speaker 2: creating roles and storytelling and offering people opportunity, and it
35:27
Speaker 2: becomes more about speaking than doing. Actually, when you move
35:32
Speaker 2: into the king energy, it's actually more connected to the
35:36
Speaker 2: magician than it is to the warrior, because you can
35:38
Speaker 2: there's there's interesting connections between the.
35:41
Speaker 1: Because if you're looking at that circle, that twelve in
35:43
Speaker 1: the in the six.
35:45
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So yeah, because the king's at the twelve,
35:47
Speaker 2: the magicians at the six. So what's interesting is really
35:51
Speaker 2: to move into the king energy, you cannot do it
35:53
Speaker 2: on your own. And the first person you're probably going
35:56
Speaker 2: to need as a magician to help you figure out
35:59
Speaker 2: what to do and how to do it because you
36:01
Speaker 2: don't have all the answers probably, you know, And so
36:06
Speaker 2: you know, this is where you see even in historical
36:10
Speaker 2: examples of virtually every empire in kingdom, the king always
36:15
Speaker 2: had this right hand man or person behind the throne
36:18
Speaker 2: or really a left hand man who was sort of
36:21
Speaker 2: the strategist and architect of how he was going to
36:25
Speaker 2: solve all the problems, you know. And then he also
36:29
Speaker 2: had a warrior to go actually leave the armies and
36:32
Speaker 2: do that, you know. So you know, a king really
36:35
Speaker 2: needs to really move into kingship. It's almost like you
36:40
Speaker 2: have to get a few other guys around you that
36:44
Speaker 2: can play the other roles, right. You even need on
36:48
Speaker 2: the lover side, it's either going to be like your
36:50
Speaker 2: queen becomes the lover for you, or you know, and
36:55
Speaker 2: possibly and like someone like the court jester to add
36:59
Speaker 2: a little bit of fun and you know, enjoyment and
37:01
Speaker 2: artistry into your court because otherwise it's just an endless
37:05
Speaker 2: list of tasks to be done and problems to be
37:07
Speaker 2: figured out, and it gets incredibly boring and it just
37:10
Speaker 2: destroys your soul. Even if you're the emperor, you need
37:12
Speaker 2: some entertainment, You need some fun in your life, right
37:17
Speaker 2: because it's a lot and the crown is a heavy
37:19
Speaker 2: thing to wear, absolutely, so you know, so you can
37:23
Speaker 2: rise into kingship kind of when you kind of get
37:25
Speaker 2: all of them and you learn to kind of lead,
37:28
Speaker 2: and you've got some other guys around you that can
37:29
Speaker 2: help help you, you know, figure the problems out, take
37:32
Speaker 2: the actions, and you know, add some some fun and
37:35
Speaker 2: spark to it, you know, and and a queen probably
37:40
Speaker 2: too is going to help a lot. So, yeah, you
37:44
Speaker 2: got those key things in place, and now you're in
37:47
Speaker 2: the king archetype. But of course you know it's not over.
37:53
Speaker 2: And this is where kind of the the big lie
37:56
Speaker 2: or the big deception is is that once you're in
37:58
Speaker 2: that place of power, that now like you're at the
38:02
Speaker 2: top of the pyramid and you control everything, so like
38:06
Speaker 2: you're God. Basically a lot of guys let it get
38:10
Speaker 2: to their heads. And the problem with that is that
38:14
Speaker 2: the people who have the most are always subject to
38:17
Speaker 2: the greatest temptations. When men get into this power position,
38:23
Speaker 2: this is oftentimes when you know, they start to lose it.
38:30
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, they might have the queen, they
38:32
Speaker 2: might have the wife, but then they get the mistress,
38:34
Speaker 2: and then they get a couple of other things going on,
38:36
Speaker 2: and then they've got all. Everybody wants a piece of
38:38
Speaker 2: you when you're the king, I want to because you
38:40
Speaker 2: have the power, you have the wealth, you have all
38:42
Speaker 2: the control and all every You're like the god of
38:46
Speaker 2: your kingdom, and everybody wants something from you, and so
38:50
Speaker 2: it becomes a really serious problem. In fact, it's more
38:53
Speaker 2: difficult to deal with and solve this problem than any
38:56
Speaker 2: of the problems that are in the other archives. So
39:00
Speaker 2: even though you have all these benefits of you know,
39:02
Speaker 2: you don't have to do everything yourself, and you've got
39:04
Speaker 2: people to think for you, and you've got people to
39:07
Speaker 2: even add some you know, spice to your kingdom, the
39:13
Speaker 2: problem is is that now everyone's paying attention to you,
39:19
Speaker 2: and you know, you have a hard time getting getting
39:21
Speaker 2: any time for yourself. It starts to get exhausting just
39:25
Speaker 2: dealing with all the meetings and all the you know,
39:28
Speaker 2: training and all the all just all these tasks, you know,
39:32
Speaker 2: and and it just becomes exhausting, right, and it puts
39:37
Speaker 2: wrinkles on your forehead. And you know, politicians know exactly
39:42
Speaker 2: what this is like, because that's you know, of all
39:45
Speaker 2: professions we see, they're trying to go straight for that.
39:48
Speaker 2: They're trying to go straight for ruling, right being making energy.
39:52
Speaker 2: And I think it's one of the wisest choices that
39:58
Speaker 2: that you know, our country has made because we kind
40:01
Speaker 2: of seem to start this trend is to put a
40:03
Speaker 2: time limit on how long a man can sit in
40:06
Speaker 2: the on.
40:07
Speaker 1: The throne of human conditions.
40:09
Speaker 2: Huh, right, exactly, you know, And because if you stay
40:15
Speaker 2: there too long and you get stuck there, it's the
40:17
Speaker 2: worst place of all to get stuck because you're you're
40:21
Speaker 2: not God. Ultimately, you are going to be subject to temptations,
40:25
Speaker 2: You're not perfect, you can't do everything, You're not going
40:27
Speaker 2: to make all the all your decisions aren't going to
40:29
Speaker 2: be perfect, and you know you're going to get in
40:32
Speaker 2: a place of where you just want your life back
40:36
Speaker 2: right and now, This is where guys who build businesses
40:39
Speaker 2: like they want to sell the business, right, they want
40:43
Speaker 2: to get out of it, you know, they wanna they
40:44
Speaker 2: want to sell. And then but then they find it's
40:47
Speaker 2: not not so easy to just sell the business. The
40:50
Speaker 2: person who's buying it needs to know how to run it.
40:52
Speaker 2: And so now it's like you gotta you can sell it,
40:54
Speaker 2: but you kind of got to hang out. So make
40:56
Speaker 2: sure that the people who are got it, you know,
40:58
Speaker 2: know how to run it properly. And then there's this
41:00
Speaker 2: whole process of replacing yourself and you know, doing it
41:05
Speaker 2: in a way that's conscious and effective instead of just
41:08
Speaker 2: by abdication and watching some guy come into that position
41:12
Speaker 2: and making a whole mess of it. Right, So, at
41:16
Speaker 2: some point in the after you've been in that king
41:19
Speaker 2: energy long enough, you're gonna you're gonna be wanting to
41:22
Speaker 2: make the next turn and going back from that twelve
41:25
Speaker 2: o'clock position to the three o'clock again, which is into
41:28
Speaker 2: the lover. Right. This is where it's like you're so
41:30
Speaker 2: exhausted running the kingdom that now it's like you just
41:34
Speaker 2: want to go play. You know, you want to go
41:37
Speaker 2: on vacation, You want to you want to go make art.
41:39
Speaker 2: You want to do something that's you know, totally impractical
41:43
Speaker 2: and just fun. Right, And this is like you you
41:47
Speaker 2: kind of almost become a kid again in a way.
41:49
Speaker 2: You're discovering the joyous beauty of play and creativity. And
41:53
Speaker 2: if you don't make that turn, then it's like, yeah,
41:56
Speaker 2: you could be the emperor of the world, but it's
41:59
Speaker 2: no fun. So what's the point, right, Like, what's the
42:03
Speaker 2: value is that? Right?
42:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you be the.
42:06
Speaker 2: Biggest fool in the world. And so yeah, nobody really
42:12
Speaker 2: wants to live in a kingdom like that, and so
42:15
Speaker 2: kings that don't make that turn and eventually allow the
42:21
Speaker 2: next you know, generation or the next person or whatever
42:24
Speaker 2: to kind of come in. It's like they don't they
42:29
Speaker 2: don't get to experience the benefits of all the work
42:32
Speaker 2: they've done in their lives up till that point. You know,
42:35
Speaker 2: they don't get to live in the built because they're
42:38
Speaker 2: too busy running it. And so that's kind of what happens.
42:42
Speaker 2: So then you move into that and you know, a
42:44
Speaker 2: man can go through many of these cycles. You know,
42:46
Speaker 2: you have serial entrepreneurs or guys who built companies and
42:50
Speaker 2: sold them over and over again and what you find
42:52
Speaker 2: is building wealth really is about how quickly can you
42:56
Speaker 2: move from one to the next. It's not about staying
42:59
Speaker 2: in one or the other. You know, because the guys
43:04
Speaker 2: who actually are able to build wealth and are able
43:06
Speaker 2: to really make this work the best, they don't need
43:10
Speaker 2: to be the king all the time, yeah, you know.
43:13
Speaker 2: They don't need to be the person doing everything. They
43:16
Speaker 2: don't need to be the person figuring everything out, and
43:19
Speaker 2: they don't even need to be the entertainment or the
43:21
Speaker 2: spark of it a whole time. They'll move from one
43:23
Speaker 2: to the other and maintain like a fluid flow and
43:27
Speaker 2: learn how to play all these different roles and how
43:30
Speaker 2: to train people into these different roles so that they
43:32
Speaker 2: can replace themselves as they make their way around, you know.
43:38
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's essentially the framework that we work with
43:41
Speaker 2: inside the King's Channel kind of decide we figure out,
43:45
Speaker 2: you know, ask each guy before they come in, well,
43:48
Speaker 2: where are you in this cycle with your business and
43:52
Speaker 2: your life in general, and where do you feel like
43:55
Speaker 2: you're strongest in these archetypes and where do you feel
43:59
Speaker 2: like you're weakest? And then you know what's magical about it,
44:04
Speaker 2: which is which is super cool and I use the
44:06
Speaker 2: term magical really, you know, interchangeably with miraculous, because I
44:12
Speaker 2: don't really feel like magic is necessarily deceptive. It's interesting because,
44:16
Speaker 2: like from just a spiritual perspective, most people don't know
44:20
Speaker 2: that the word gospel actually is shortened for God's spell.
44:29
Speaker 2: So you know, it kind of depends on the language
44:31
Speaker 2: you're using. But the reason why this system has this
44:34
Speaker 2: sort of magical thing about it is like it's a
44:37
Speaker 2: natural cycle that seems to be set up on a
44:40
Speaker 2: higher level that's universal. Right. You can look at the seasons,
44:43
Speaker 2: and you can look at the snow, and we can't
44:46
Speaker 2: really explain why we have this cycle. We can't explain
44:49
Speaker 2: why there's winter and fall and you know all the
44:51
Speaker 2: rest of this stuff. We can't explain really why this
44:54
Speaker 2: happens exactly. We've been trying with science for years, but
44:57
Speaker 2: do we really know. You know, it's like it's debatable,
45:04
Speaker 2: but if you just kind of surrender to it and
45:06
Speaker 2: go with the flow of it, you find that, like
45:09
Speaker 2: in your flowing, you find your way and you don't
45:13
Speaker 2: get stuck, and there's a beauty to that, there's a
45:16
Speaker 2: grace to that, there's a peace to that. That's pretty
45:19
Speaker 2: much priceless because any guy who's stuck in any one
45:23
Speaker 2: of these places will tell you it's painful. You know,
45:26
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter which one it is. It could be
45:28
Speaker 2: the Warrior, could be the King. You know, you can
45:30
Speaker 2: get stuck in the Lover after you've made the turn
45:33
Speaker 2: from King to Lover the second time, and now it's like, okay,
45:38
Speaker 2: now it's just an endless amount of parties and entertainment,
45:40
Speaker 2: and now you can't stop drinking, and you know you
45:45
Speaker 2: can wind up right back in this place of where
45:47
Speaker 2: now you're stuck and you can't get anywhere, and you
45:50
Speaker 2: need to think your way out of it, because you
45:52
Speaker 2: know you're moving down into the magician again. So it's
45:56
Speaker 2: like we go through these cycles as men as we
45:59
Speaker 2: move through power. And you know, it doesn't necessarily even
46:04
Speaker 2: have to be our own business. We might just be
46:06
Speaker 2: rising through the ranks of another company, moving to a
46:09
Speaker 2: different job, you know, whatever it is. But this particular
46:13
Speaker 2: model is very useful for kind of identifying where are
46:18
Speaker 2: you on this sort of map of this general overall
46:22
Speaker 2: our typical journey, and based on that, what do you
46:25
Speaker 2: need to let go of and what do you need
46:27
Speaker 2: to move towards? Just energetically and and so that's that's
46:34
Speaker 2: the power of it. And that's why I work with
46:36
Speaker 2: just a small group of four men because I've found
46:39
Speaker 2: that any more than that, it's things kind of tend
46:42
Speaker 2: to get diluted. Less than that, it's like, you know,
46:48
Speaker 2: like I can work with guys one on one, but
46:50
Speaker 2: it actually helps to have you know, somes because part
46:56
Speaker 2: of how we work inside of this group is we
46:58
Speaker 2: kind of will take on the roles. One guys has
47:02
Speaker 2: an issue where they're having problems leading or whatever, it's like, okay,
47:06
Speaker 2: so yeah, you're having issues leading, So okay for this
47:10
Speaker 2: particular thing, you know, you're the king and will will
47:15
Speaker 2: come in and talk to you as these other archetypes
47:19
Speaker 2: to help ideas of how to move through this issue
47:23
Speaker 2: that you're having. And it makes it fun for everybody
47:26
Speaker 2: because everyone has a role to play. It's not like
47:28
Speaker 2: you just have one leader or one coach that's doing it.
47:31
Speaker 2: We all take turns kind of unpacking these different situations
47:36
Speaker 2: that we have in our lives and and and it
47:40
Speaker 2: adds an element of fun to it. It also makes
47:47
Speaker 2: it more effective because now everyone's participating on an equal level,
47:54
Speaker 2: and you know, and it's just like you know, you
47:58
Speaker 2: don't have to just do the same thing we're and
48:00
Speaker 2: over again, and it helps helps train guys to learn
48:04
Speaker 2: how to be and act inside of archetypes that are
48:06
Speaker 2: different from where they might be stuck, and that in
48:10
Speaker 2: itself helps them move out of that being stuck.
48:14
Speaker 1: Man. I know, we could go, we can go, we
48:16
Speaker 1: can go definitely further here, But I think this is
48:20
Speaker 1: a good overview. How do people find you, connect you
48:24
Speaker 1: with you and learn more? Because I think if you're
48:26
Speaker 1: listening to this, I'm listening, I'm fascinated. And where am
48:28
Speaker 1: I in this journey? My warrior. I'm a king and
48:32
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully warrior, and Brendan knows I'm in the in
48:36
Speaker 1: the in the warrior fame. I'm working toward the king
48:38
Speaker 1: right now.
48:39
Speaker 2: But where, you know, where is that for you?
48:42
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I'd love just to share Brennon,
48:46
Speaker 1: just briefly, how how do people can get connected with
48:48
Speaker 1: you and learn more about this whole architect in the
48:51
Speaker 1: King's chamber?
48:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can. You can go to the Harmonic
48:55
Speaker 2: Awakenings website and contact me there and learn a little
48:59
Speaker 2: bit more about the stuff that I do. It's Harmonica
49:02
Speaker 2: Awakenings dot com. You can find me under the Harmonic
49:09
Speaker 2: Awakenings Big Business page on Facebook or just look me
49:13
Speaker 2: up as Brendan Murphy on Facebook.
49:14
Speaker 1: Connect with me Brendon and I am connected. We collaborate.
49:19
Speaker 1: I mean, Brendan, this has been fantastic. I think just
49:21
Speaker 1: hearing you walk us through this and if anybody hasn't
49:24
Speaker 1: heard this before, but I think you can apply this
49:26
Speaker 1: to your life and say, like, where am I in
49:28
Speaker 1: this journey without a new judgment if you're the magician,
49:31
Speaker 1: if you're the lover, if you're the lawyer of the king,
49:33
Speaker 1: you know, but recognizing that this was a part of
49:35
Speaker 1: a journey and it's ongoing, and recognizing that and that
49:40
Speaker 1: you have a resource here. So it's all about the
49:42
Speaker 1: Business round Table podcast bringing resources to help you. Listen,
49:46
Speaker 1: take it in and say, man, brand it could really
49:48
Speaker 1: help me and and reach out to him. I've worked
49:52
Speaker 1: alongside him knowing very well, really well, We've shared a lot,
49:55
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate you coming on the podcast here, Brandan, Oh.
50:00
Speaker 2: You're so welcome. Yeah. The thing to remember is just
50:03
Speaker 2: you know, just keep moving in the right direction wherever
50:07
Speaker 2: you are, wherever you're stuck. You can always move past it.
50:12
Speaker 2: You just might have to let go of something and
50:14
Speaker 2: play a different role, not just get stuck in the
50:16
Speaker 2: same old role that you've been playing for however long
50:19
Speaker 2: you've been playing it.
50:20
Speaker 1: And hence you know, having a coach like yourself that
50:23
Speaker 1: comes along can move you faster through the process, so
50:27
Speaker 1: you're not spending so long when you're really, like you said,
50:29
Speaker 1: you need to let go and get to that next
50:33
Speaker 1: next spot. That's what I know you and I have
50:36
Speaker 1: that same passion, and so just thank you so much
50:39
Speaker 1: Brandon for being here.
50:40
Speaker 2: You're so welcome. David, I love this, I love your podcast,
50:45
Speaker 2: and thanks so much for having me on.
50:47
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