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MAYDAY! Extension week recap · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Many extensions in the first week of the season, something
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Speaker 1: that we don't quite see at this I feel like
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Speaker 1: rate kind of a lot going on all at the
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Speaker 1: same time. It's almost as if and it's not only
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Speaker 1: the same team doing it. It's a bunch of different teams.
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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Speaker 2: But we're going to go through them.
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Speaker 1: I want to do take some time here at the
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Speaker 1: top of the show talk a little bit about the
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Speaker 1: young kids, the kids getting paid, the young buck extensions.
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Speaker 1: We had four guys, one of which happened I believe yesterday,
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Speaker 1: maybe early this morning.
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I've been very busy. I just knew
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Speaker 2: that it happened.
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Speaker 1: And there's four big ones, all guys that are that
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Speaker 1: weren't quite free agency yet or didn't already have a
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Speaker 1: deal in place.
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Speaker 2: And I want to talk to you about whether or not.
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Speaker 1: They are team friendly or they are player friendly, or
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Speaker 1: somewhere in between. There's very interesting I think elements happening
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Speaker 1: here with these. So I just think it's it's it's time.
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Speaker 1: It's time to talk about contracts. I mean, we got
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Speaker 1: the CBA coming up, and I think that the market
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Speaker 1: forces are going to change a little bit then too,
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Speaker 1: So it's just something to pay attention to. Butuola, we
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Speaker 1: shall see. All right, let's get into it. First contract,
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Speaker 1: we had San Diego Padres, Phenom Jackson Merrill. Jackson Merrill
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Speaker 1: signs a nine year, one and thirty five million dollar
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Speaker 1: extension that begins next year, not this year, next year,
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Speaker 1: which actually changes my analysis just a little bit. But
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Speaker 1: this guy was absolutely electric last year. He did He
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Speaker 1: was huge for their team. He is a guy that
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Speaker 1: we are mentioning within the big three of Bogart's, of
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Speaker 1: Tatis and of Manny Machado in the future for this organization.
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Speaker 1: So he is going to be there for most of
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Speaker 1: the next decade into what would have been his free
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Speaker 1: agency years, and he's twenty one years old. But is
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Speaker 1: it a player friendly or team friendly? Well, it's about
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Speaker 1: even I'll be honest. This is a good deal I
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Speaker 1: think for both sides. One hundred and thirty five million
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Speaker 1: dollars is not something to shake a stick at.
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Speaker 2: I understand.
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Speaker 1: He is the middle of the field position player aka
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Speaker 1: the centerfielder and the shortstop sometimes second base, with the
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Speaker 1: shortstop centerfielder usually the highest value defensive metrically and also
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Speaker 1: with a from a band standpoint, you want a lot
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Speaker 1: of production out of those two positions.
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Speaker 2: So he went from shorts, he played shortstop, went to.
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Speaker 1: Center field, picked it up immediately because of course he did,
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Speaker 1: and did an amazing job. So this deal, let me
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Speaker 1: break it down for you, because it starts next year,
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Speaker 1: he is going to be have five years of free
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Speaker 1: agency bought out. He is twenty one years old, so
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Speaker 1: he'll become a free agent again.
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Speaker 2: At the.
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Speaker 1: Reason this is even is kind of come from both directions. One,
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Speaker 1: it's a fifteen million dollar advanced value or advanced annual value,
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Speaker 1: So AAV that is solid, like a really good center fielder,
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Speaker 1: will get upwards of twenty five. But the nice thing
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Speaker 1: about this deal is when it is done, he'll be
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Speaker 1: thirty years old, so if his performance dictates this, he
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Speaker 1: will get another opportunity to go into free agency, which
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Speaker 1: is the point that is when you make the most money.
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Speaker 1: Usually signing extensions with the team that you were brought
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Speaker 1: up with doesn't produce as much dollars as many dollars
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Speaker 1: rather than signing with a team that isn't your team
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Speaker 1: that you're already on. So I think him having the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to go in free agency again if he wants to,
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Speaker 1: while having one hundred and thirty five million dollars in
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Speaker 1: the bank is positive for him. But the team generally
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Speaker 1: gets a guy for fifteen million dollars a year that
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Speaker 1: could very easily become a twenty five to thirty million
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Speaker 1: dollars a year player. That is why this is kind
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Speaker 1: of cross board, and this is why I kind of
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Speaker 1: like it. I like the idea that he's going to
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Speaker 1: get a second free agency opportunity and it doesn't affect
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Speaker 1: the markets for centerfielders as much either. So I enjoy
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Speaker 1: that because he is twenty one years old, and if
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Speaker 1: you're going to do it, do it then and make
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Speaker 1: sure you get over one hundred million dollars please. Second off,
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Speaker 1: we have Christian Campbell signing a smaller deal after just
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in the major leagues with the
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Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox eight year sixty million, which comes out
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Speaker 1: to an aav of just about seven point five million dollars,
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Speaker 1: which right now, that's just over about a war a year,
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Speaker 1: one win above replacement. So this one kind of goes
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Speaker 1: advantage team. Sixty million dollars is not a lot of money,
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Speaker 1: as we see with the Ozzy Albi's deal. We got
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Speaker 1: even the Couna deal. It's more in that realm. But
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Speaker 1: and based on what the Red Sox have said and
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Speaker 1: people who've watched him play in real life, he's getting
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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets comps. If that guy turns in Mookie bets.
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Speaker 1: This is wild value for the team. But I like
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Speaker 1: that he took advantage of it. And again, he's twenty two.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be a free agent at thirty. Again,
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get another opportunity for free agency. So that's
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Speaker 1: why he gets a little bit on the old bar
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Speaker 1: here in his direction. But for the most part, it's
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Speaker 1: not a huge investment for the Red Sox. They got
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Speaker 1: their second basement. By all accounts, he's just a pure
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Speaker 1: hitter and then he's going to be a quality player
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Speaker 1: move forward. But it's just not that risky. It's just
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Speaker 1: not that risky. So I like that for him, And
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Speaker 1: it only buys out two years of his free agency
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Speaker 1: because he's barely got any time in the big leagues.
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Speaker 2: Third guy, Garrett Crochet. This one was interesting.
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Speaker 1: Garret Crochet six years, one hundred seventy million, dollars from
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Speaker 1: the Boston Red Sox. Also, this comes out to an
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Speaker 1: aav of just over twenty eight million dollars twenty eight
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Speaker 1: point three to be exact. He is the ace of
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox, so the Red Sox check one on
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox side for getting their ace. It buys
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Speaker 1: out four years of free agency, so that is obviously
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Speaker 1: a benefit as well, but he will still be a
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Speaker 1: free agent at thirty one years old because he's currently
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Speaker 1: twenty five.
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Speaker 2: I think he just turned twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Actually, and he's going to get another opportunity for free
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Speaker 1: agency as well, so that's more on his side. This
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Speaker 1: is mostly a player or this is mostly a player
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Speaker 1: deal because he got more money than any and more extension,
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Speaker 1: the biggest extension than anyone has ever gotten. With the
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Speaker 1: amount of work he's done. He only has two hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty four innings and thirty six starts in his career.
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Speaker 1: That is the risk for the Red Sox and that's
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Speaker 1: why I give him the benefit of the doubt here.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a high it's a high value contract.
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Speaker 2: Sure, could he make more.
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Speaker 1: Maybe, but he doesn't have the track record and he's
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Speaker 1: had in injury problems to show that that might not happen.
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Speaker 1: So but I think this is just necessary. I think
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Speaker 1: the Red Sox had to do this, especially because Christian
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Speaker 1: Campbell signed a team friendly you can afford to then
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Speaker 1: go out and get your true ac guy who's going
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Speaker 1: to want to start in game one in any playoff
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Speaker 1: series to be paid. But he got paid with very little.
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Speaker 1: Usually track record is a big part of this, and
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Speaker 1: for the first time in a long time or ever, honestly,
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Speaker 1: track record didn't factor into this one as much I
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Speaker 1: like it. But it's definitely Garrett won that one for sure.
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Speaker 1: And lastly, flag Flad grojernaland finally I think gets his
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Speaker 1: stupid contract done so we can stop talking about it.
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Speaker 1: Fourteen years, five hundred million. This one will not be
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Speaker 1: seeing another free agency most of the time, I hear Isaiah,
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Speaker 1: this flatty signing is restored to hope in life they
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Speaker 1: get their centerpiece of their franchise. But this is definitely
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Speaker 1: a player W. This is definitely player W. Five hundre
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Speaker 1: million dollars is the second biggest value contract for anybody,
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Speaker 1: even because there is noted for money. It is beyond
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Speaker 1: sho Heo Tani seven hundred million in real value. Excuse
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Speaker 1: me when you fire and off words like I am
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Speaker 1: you gotta take a drink, and it buys out all
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Speaker 1: of his free agency. He's not gonna hit free agency again.
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Speaker 1: And it comes out to an avy of thirty five
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Speaker 1: point seven million. So I really can't say the benefit.
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Speaker 1: Here's the benefit of the Blue Jays get They're not
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Speaker 1: to worry about it anymore. They got their franchise players
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Speaker 1: that they can build all their media around, and preferably
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Speaker 1: a lot of production in middle of the order. The
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Speaker 1: problem is he's a first baseman. They don't tend to
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Speaker 1: age well. And this is until he's forty years old.
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Speaker 1: At some point, this is probably going to turn into
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Speaker 1: a contract. It's inevitable that everyone's gonna be like kind
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Speaker 1: a lot of money for a guy who can't really move.
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Speaker 1: And that's just what happens when you age. So I
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Speaker 1: will definitely say Flatty won this one. I will definitely
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Speaker 1: say Vladdie won this one. But it was a necessary
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Speaker 1: move for the Blue just similar to the Red Sox.
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Speaker 1: They had to go do it. We've been talking about
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Speaker 1: this all off season, myself included. They had to go
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Speaker 1: do this. I wish they would have done it before
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Speaker 1: they at all came out where they offered everyone else
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Speaker 1: all the money. But I'm glad it's done so now
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Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about it anymore. And uh
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Speaker 1: and I am also really excited to bring in our
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Speaker 1: first guest here on May Day, first guest ever, first
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Speaker 1: time we've ever tried this little apparatus we're going to
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Speaker 1: do so. Cross your fingers everyone at home. Scottie Brown
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Speaker 1: is here. Yeah you hear me, Yeah, yes I can everyone.
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Speaker 1: You can hear him too. Scott Bron, host of Foul
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Speaker 1: Territory and number one in all of our hearts. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for coming on man, thanks for being the number one,
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Speaker 1: number one guest on the show.
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Speaker 3: Do I get an extension?
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Speaker 2: You wait, you got to give me an extension? What
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Speaker 2: do you mean? I'm on your network right now? What
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Speaker 2: are we talking about?
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Speaker 3: True? True? True, I forgot. I can't ask for my
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Speaker 3: own extension, although I mean when I think about Bladdy
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Speaker 3: Junior show, we'll get into it at some point. I
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Speaker 3: bet the front office, who is that Atkins and Shapiro
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Speaker 3: going ownership like, Look, we got to done extension for us.
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Speaker 3: It only cost you double when we could have done
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Speaker 3: this several years ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you shouldn't have let Sodo go first,
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Speaker 1: and that, you know all brokely.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I just rapid fired like four
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Speaker 1: of them real quick, and all the young guys are
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Speaker 1: signing contracts. What was your first I mean, obviously we
10:21
Speaker 1: could start with latt What was your first reaction to
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Speaker 1: hearing about the blad news.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Laddie won. Laddie wanted five hundred. He said it publicly.
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Speaker 3: Often this stuff doesn't get that public where you actually
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Speaker 3: know the exact numbers. I mean, Ken Rosenthal was so
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Speaker 3: on this story that he already had that out for weeks.
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Speaker 3: Thirty five point seven at fourteen would get you to
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Speaker 3: five hundred. That's the number. And then eventually you just
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Speaker 3: get that out of Laddie where he's like, yeah, that'll
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Speaker 3: get it done, and the Blue Jays are like, we
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Speaker 3: already went past your value, and he's like, cool, I
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Speaker 3: don't care, I'm going to publicize this. You've lost out
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Speaker 3: on many other big names. You've gotten some. It's not
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Speaker 3: like they had a bad offseason. It's just that the
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Speaker 3: way they're aiming for players these days has not gone
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Speaker 3: well for them, right, like an Otani Roki Sazaki was
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Speaker 3: a tough loss for them. It would have helped if
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Speaker 3: Vladdie Junior was locked up for a while, would it
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Speaker 3: have mattered. No, he was going to sign with the
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Speaker 3: Dodgers either way. But they also went after Juan Soto
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Speaker 3: and as far as we heard, they didn't go past
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Speaker 3: the seven hundred marks, So you weren't even close. And
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Speaker 3: you're showing that you're going to spend that much money
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Speaker 3: on a player. Laddie's sitting there like, oh, hey, I'm
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Speaker 3: Canada's baseball son and I'm a star and I'm young,
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Speaker 3: and you're going to let me get the free agency
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Speaker 3: no way. So I think that he just had him.
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Speaker 3: I mean I think he had him by the balls, Trevor.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's what happened.
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Speaker 3: And he said, five hundred is the number, baby, and
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Speaker 3: when you get there, you call me and I will
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Speaker 3: sign it. And I don't care how long it takes.
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Speaker 3: You want to wait until June when I'm off to
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Speaker 3: a great start or I'm not. Whatever it is. Right,
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Speaker 3: unless there was an injury, which is not as common
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Speaker 3: for a position player, and he's been pretty damn durable
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Speaker 3: they were going to get screwed on this one. But
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Speaker 3: the thing for me is I'm happy in the end
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Speaker 3: for the Blue Jays to get him for life, right,
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Speaker 3: But if I'm a Blue Jays fan, this is a
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Speaker 3: loss for the front office because everybody has a spending
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Speaker 3: limit and this is going to be an expensive player
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Speaker 3: for a while. That's great, But like I mentioned at
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Speaker 3: the top here, they could have had him for much less.
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Speaker 3: Go back a few years ago. Ken did homework on
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Speaker 3: this and said they could have put out a similar,
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Speaker 3: if not probably a little lower deal than what TATISC
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Speaker 3: got in twenty twenty one in the three hundreds, and
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Speaker 3: that would have gotten it done. Right, If you put
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Speaker 3: at that point two seventy five to three hundred in
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Speaker 3: front of Laddie, I'm sure that would have gotten it done.
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Speaker 3: It sounded like they kept lowballing him through the entire operation. Here.
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Speaker 3: They delayed his service time, they lowballed him on offers
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Speaker 3: compared to the market. They took him to arbitration I
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Speaker 3: think once or twice, so they were just doing everything
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Speaker 3: wrong as a front office. And then, like you mentioned,
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Speaker 3: they could have done this in October and had a
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Speaker 3: conversation and it would have probably ended with I don't know,
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Speaker 3: four hundred, So then they cost themselves another one hundred
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Speaker 3: million dollars when Sodo set the market for someone of
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Speaker 3: his age without a full skill set as a baseball player. Right,
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Speaker 3: he is not a five tool player. He is a
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Speaker 3: hitting legend, but he is not a five tool player.
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Speaker 3: So when you add it all up, huge win for
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Speaker 3: Bladdie Junior, Huge win for Blue Jays fans because who cares.
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Speaker 3: Big loss for the front office. And if they don't
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Speaker 3: make the playoffs this year and I'm running the Blue Jays,
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Speaker 3: I am sweeping that up and starting over because their
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Speaker 3: firm system sucks too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They it feels like they stumble, stumble, stumble. They're holding
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Speaker 1: the bag of stumbling and then they just like fumbled
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Speaker 1: it right into his hands. But you know, I can't
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Speaker 1: fault it. I was a player. I got to be
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Speaker 1: on the player side here. And this wasn't just the
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Speaker 1: only crazy extension in my opinion. Garret Crochet also unprecedented,
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Speaker 1: and then contrasts that with with Christian Campbell a little
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Speaker 1: bit because the same team, they got two very different
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Speaker 1: kind of players in terms of like length of time
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Speaker 1: and also dollar amounts. So how'd you feel about the
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Speaker 1: Crochet and the Christian Campbell signings.
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Speaker 3: I thought Crochet did really well. Remember last year he
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Speaker 3: was getting criticized for not wanting to get moved to
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Speaker 3: a team that's gonna throw him in the bullpen or
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Speaker 3: just mess around with him. In general, I don't blame him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you can give us the pitcher perspective on this,
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Speaker 3: but he had been hurt. He's on a White Sox
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Speaker 3: team that does not have a great reputation for a
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Speaker 3: lot of things right now as far as player development,
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Speaker 3: and then you're going to ask him to move teams
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Speaker 3: and get on a different plan during his breakout season
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Speaker 3: when he hasn't really gotten paid much yet. No thanks,
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Speaker 3: So I thought, good for you for standing up for yourself.
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Speaker 3: He ends up getting the trade to a destination like this,
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Speaker 3: and I don't really feel like there was much of
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Speaker 3: a discount here, and he had two years still left
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Speaker 3: of team control if we're including this year. So I
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Speaker 3: thought him and his team did really well on that front.
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Speaker 3: I know you mentioned you set some records. He to
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Speaker 3: me looks like an ace and to everyone else, but
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Speaker 3: he does come with injury questions. So for him to
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Speaker 3: secure the bag as a pitcher before you hit free agency.
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Speaker 3: That was a no brainer. If you asked me what
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Speaker 3: I thought he was going to get, I thought it
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Speaker 3: would have been more in the mid one hundreds. Instead
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Speaker 3: it gets the upper one hundreds. I would have guessed
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Speaker 3: like one thirty to one forty.
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Speaker 2: So good for.
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Speaker 3: Him for landing some of that money where I think,
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Speaker 3: what the two or three years of it gets some
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Speaker 3: thirty somethingter mill per season. So for the Red Sox,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you traded a lot for this guy. Keep
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Speaker 3: the guy. It's fine. It's not going to crush them.
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Speaker 3: Of course, you have injury concerns, very at least catching
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Speaker 3: him early on in his career doesn't have crazy mileage
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Speaker 3: on the arm, So fine, fine for both sides there
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Speaker 3: and then Christian Campbell. Of course they're going to get
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Speaker 3: a bargain. But you're asking a player who was a
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Speaker 3: fourth or fifth round pick if he wants sixty million
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Speaker 3: dollars when he didn't even know that they traveled on
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Speaker 3: a private plane and that he wouldn't have a roommate. Okay,
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Speaker 3: so he's going to say yes to that. A year ago, Trevor,
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Speaker 3: nobody knows who he is, so I think he got
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Speaker 3: low balled, but I can't fault him. I mean, he
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Speaker 3: didn't know where it was going to be as a player,
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Speaker 3: Like he is the kind of guy where you looked
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Speaker 3: and you're like tons of potential red sox are going
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Speaker 3: to work on his swing path. It either works or
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Speaker 3: we never hear from him again. And now all of
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Speaker 3: a sudden, he's in the bigs, playing on a good
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Speaker 3: team and he's getting thrown sixty million dollars. Who doesn't
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Speaker 3: take that?
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Speaker 2: Oh? I you know when I was playing, I would
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Speaker 2: have been like hesitant. I had to look and do it.
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Speaker 1: But again, the fact that all these guys have a
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Speaker 1: second they have free agency on the table still like
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Speaker 1: in technically in the prime window that still exists twenty
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Speaker 1: eight to thirty two, so when you can maximize your
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Speaker 1: free agency, so they're like, yeah, if I'm better, if
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Speaker 1: I need to make more money, I have an opportunity
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Speaker 1: to make more money later. If I don't, then I
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Speaker 1: got sixty million. Like it's it's it's that's it's that straightforward.
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Speaker 1: And also you know who else was the fifth rounder
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Speaker 1: who wasn't expected to be as good as they are?
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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets so, uh, there's a lot of that. There's
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Speaker 1: a lot of that. Comp They're like, we just don't
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Speaker 1: want to mess this up. Maybe they're getting a little
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Speaker 1: bit of like we don't mess up the Mookie Bets
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Speaker 1: thing again either. Okay, last one really quickly, Jax Merril,
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Speaker 1: how do you feel about that one?
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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna tie Campbell and Meryl together because I
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Speaker 3: spoke to a couple of agents behind the scenes. Oh,
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Speaker 3: I mean, terrible job for Meryl and for Campbell. They
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Speaker 3: left so much money on the table. The whole first
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Speaker 3: big contract thing applies here. So I don't know really
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Speaker 3: what to say right again with Jackson, Merril loves the team,
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Speaker 3: wants to win on this team. He said he's gonna
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Speaker 3: give them a little room for spending power. Like, okay,
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Speaker 3: I mean that's a great thing to say. He's a star.
17:01
Speaker 3: He's playing center field. That position actually usually doesn't age
17:04
Speaker 3: well getting deep into your thirties, based on how much
17:07
Speaker 3: of a toll it takes. So I don't fault him
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Speaker 3: for doing this. I don't fault him or his reps
17:12
Speaker 3: for getting this done either, because I think if he's
17:14
Speaker 3: so damn good, they'll keep adding an extension or two
17:18
Speaker 3: on top of what he's doing, right, he just he screams,
17:21
Speaker 3: Padre's player for life. In my mind, Ken Rosenthal bring
17:25
Speaker 3: him up again, said, maybe one to two hundred million
17:28
Speaker 3: dollars left on the table, but you would have had
17:31
Speaker 3: to go deep into the arbitration process and then you know,
17:34
Speaker 3: eventually get yourself to free agencies. So generally, with these
17:37
Speaker 3: it's hard not to look at them as wins for
17:39
Speaker 3: both sides. The only thing with Merrill is I think
17:42
Speaker 3: he doesn't get to free agency until thirty two. If
17:45
Speaker 3: he even gets there. At that point, how many teams
17:47
Speaker 3: are investing major long term dollars in a thirty two
17:50
Speaker 3: year old center fielder. I don't care who you are.
17:53
Speaker 3: Not many, right, I mean that you just have to
17:55
Speaker 3: play the law of averages in the past. But that
17:57
Speaker 3: position just takes a hit suddenly giving him another You know,
18:01
Speaker 3: he's not signing a ten year contract at that point,
18:04
Speaker 3: even if he is a star. Based on how front
18:06
Speaker 3: offices evaluate, so best case scenario, he's four or five
18:09
Speaker 3: years into this thing, he's a stud. They add you know,
18:12
Speaker 3: three to five more years on top of that, and
18:14
Speaker 3: that's his whole career and he ends up making two
18:17
Speaker 3: hundred something million dollars instead of maybe four hundred million dollars.
18:21
Speaker 3: I mean whatever, he could also run into a wall
18:24
Speaker 3: and it could end his career. And now he's got
18:26
Speaker 3: the security. So I mean, you tell me, do you
18:29
Speaker 3: ever look at these and go, oh man, player got robbed.
18:32
Speaker 3: It's his first millions.
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Speaker 2: He got robbed.
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Speaker 3: Like what are you supposed to do?
18:37
Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I having never been offered anything remotely close to this,
18:43
Speaker 1: even before it was my time to negotiate it.
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Speaker 2: You know, I can't say.
18:47
Speaker 1: I can't say that I wouldn't be like yep, I
18:48
Speaker 1: will even as a starting pitcher, right. I just feel
18:53
Speaker 1: like one hundred if anything over one hundred million dollars.
18:55
Speaker 1: It's just like you can go from you can go
18:59
Speaker 1: from making over one hundred, or you can go to
19:01
Speaker 1: making like twenty. If it doesn't work out, you're gonna
19:03
Speaker 1: make way less than that. It's not gonna be like close.
19:05
Speaker 1: It's gonna be way less. If you try to go
19:07
Speaker 1: through the system and say your fourth year, some some
19:09
Speaker 1: some break your leg and it never heals right, and
19:11
Speaker 1: then you're you know, you made fifteen million, Like you
19:14
Speaker 1: gotta take on in thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian Campbell. That type of thing.
19:18
Speaker 1: When it's a less than ten ten in your position
19:20
Speaker 1: player less than ten av that's when you think long
19:23
Speaker 1: and hard about it. But like if you have fifteen,
19:25
Speaker 1: if you get fifteen guaranteed for nine years every year,
19:29
Speaker 1: it just like the difference you get dimission returns after that.
19:33
Speaker 1: And also, like you said, he's gonna hit for agency again,
19:35
Speaker 1: so he has an opportunity to correct if things are
19:38
Speaker 1: drastically different, but they're not. They're not gonna be because
19:41
Speaker 1: he's also not gonna be moving on a center field.
19:43
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. And also when they sign this early,
19:46
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect markets as much as people think it
19:49
Speaker 1: does either, And that's what I always think about. I'm like,
19:50
Speaker 1: are you ruining markets for the future? And these guys
19:53
Speaker 1: are so young that they're kind of in their own category.
19:57
Speaker 1: But so okay, And the last, the last question I
19:59
Speaker 1: have before I let you go, If you had to
20:01
Speaker 1: make a prediction of these four, which one of these
20:04
Speaker 1: do you think is most likely to have both sides benefit?
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Speaker 2: Like, which one's gonna work out the best for both sides?
20:11
Speaker 3: Ooh, the question. I'll go Meryl. I'll go Meryl on
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Speaker 3: this one because I think that it's in the right
20:17
Speaker 3: price range that like I mentioned, he's going to get
20:19
Speaker 3: the extensions on top of it. And I'm just surprised
20:22
Speaker 3: that teams don't do this more in general, they don't
20:25
Speaker 3: grab a player who, now Merril is a prime example,
20:28
Speaker 3: already give you a star, if not superstar, first season,
20:33
Speaker 3: first week. You know, he looks like the same guy already.
20:36
Speaker 3: Not that I think that really mattered. I'm sure they
20:37
Speaker 3: had been talking about this for a minute, but the
20:39
Speaker 3: maryl one for me because you're catching a center fielder
20:43
Speaker 3: not even entering his prime years, but you're gonna get
20:45
Speaker 3: basically all of the prime years in this deal unless
20:48
Speaker 3: he just falls off the face of the earth. And
20:50
Speaker 3: he's a position player, that to me looks like the
20:52
Speaker 3: biggest win Glad. He's going to go deep into his
20:55
Speaker 3: career where you're going to get to the thirty eight
20:57
Speaker 3: to thirty nine range, and who knows what he'll look
20:59
Speaker 3: like at that point. So the length Crochet is a pitcher,
21:02
Speaker 3: arms are taking time bomb. I'm always going to trust
21:05
Speaker 3: a position player over a pitcher, and we just don't
21:07
Speaker 3: know Campbell enough as a player yet, So I think
21:10
Speaker 3: Merril is the safe bet here. And I'll finish my
21:14
Speaker 3: statement with a question back to you, why don't more
21:17
Speaker 3: teams do this? We see it frequently, but then there's
21:21
Speaker 3: still some teams that pop up where I'm like, what
21:23
Speaker 3: is going on here? Like our offer is being thrown
21:25
Speaker 3: out and we're just missing something. I mean, the Orioles
21:27
Speaker 3: are the prime example. Right now, nobody of that vaunted
21:31
Speaker 3: young position player corps is signed long term. And even
21:34
Speaker 3: if you're gonna blame Gunner on betting on himself and
21:37
Speaker 3: he's a Boris guy, fine, but there's four or five
21:40
Speaker 3: other guys on that roster that could be extension worthy
21:43
Speaker 3: and they have not signed any of them. Adley Rutchman
21:46
Speaker 3: coming off a down year sounds to me like a
21:48
Speaker 3: great time to have a conversation with him, if unless
21:50
Speaker 3: you don't believe in him, and now he looks like
21:52
Speaker 3: two years ago Adley Colton Kasrew I know is hurt
21:55
Speaker 3: right now, but in the offseason that could have been
21:57
Speaker 3: a discussion too. And I could come up with a
21:59
Speaker 3: few others. I mean, even Jackson Holliday, right, throw a
22:02
Speaker 3: ton of money at him. Again. I think he's a
22:04
Speaker 3: bors guy, but I just don't believe that the Oriols
22:06
Speaker 3: throughout all these extension offers to these players, and I'm
22:09
Speaker 3: wondering why you don't try and at least lock up
22:11
Speaker 3: one or two to get some cost control.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially with the Orioles. I'll be honest, I'm not
22:17
Speaker 1: convinced that the new ownership group is willing to They
22:21
Speaker 1: haven't really shown me anything that they're willing to do
22:24
Speaker 1: more than the previous owner, the Angelo's people family was like,
22:27
Speaker 1: honestly they bought it. Yeah great, but like they had
22:30
Speaker 1: opportunities all kinds of sign free agents and all kinds
22:32
Speaker 1: of stuff. This obviouselyason they're just not doing it. So
22:34
Speaker 1: maybe they're out there, Maybe they're just not taking them.
22:36
Speaker 1: They're getting like shut down by their agents.
22:39
Speaker 2: Maybe not.
22:40
Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams, though, are are the
22:42
Speaker 1: last I think dominant to fall in the development and
22:46
Speaker 1: projectability of their of their players is having the confidence
22:49
Speaker 1: to then sign them long term. And I think maybe
22:52
Speaker 1: this Crochet thing and this Christian Campbell thing might get
22:56
Speaker 1: a couple of teams thinking about like the teams like
22:59
Speaker 1: the Twins, all right, like go you gotta if roys Leus,
23:02
Speaker 1: say royce Luis was healthy all the time. Let's say
23:04
Speaker 1: he didn't have the injury problems yet, like he would
23:07
Speaker 1: have been a prime candidate to get something like this, but
23:09
Speaker 1: they their offers are like four years twenty right, Like
23:12
Speaker 1: so like that's that's just not gonna happen for a
23:14
Speaker 1: position player anymore. You're not gonna get a Max Kepler
23:16
Speaker 1: deal or or Hiplanco deal anymore.
23:18
Speaker 2: So.
23:18
Speaker 1: But if you can project and you feel comfortable in
23:21
Speaker 1: your development and you're like, we know this guy's gonna
23:24
Speaker 1: be good even though he doesn't have a track record,
23:26
Speaker 1: I think still teams are still really really really wanting
23:29
Speaker 1: to see track record before they make decisions like this.
23:32
Speaker 1: And but I think some more teams, like we saw
23:34
Speaker 1: the Red Sox teams are going to start making more
23:36
Speaker 1: decisions based on their models and how they project these
23:39
Speaker 1: guys because they're confident in those and we just might
23:41
Speaker 1: just be seeing that transition happening. More teams will probably follow,
23:44
Speaker 1: that's my guess. Yeah, all right, but Scott, thank you
23:48
Speaker 1: so much for joining The show Man. You were the
23:49
Speaker 1: first inaugural guest, so you can put that back there
23:53
Speaker 1: with that emmy, I'll get you, I'll get you a plaque. No, yeah,
23:57
Speaker 1: give me something, no extension, but you can get like
23:59
Speaker 1: a three D in a plaque or something.
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Speaker 2: We'll do that, or a may Day hat, something like that.
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Speaker 1: Hat. Yeah, may Day, may Day out shop anyone who
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Speaker 1: wants to make a hat?
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Speaker 2: All right, guys, I accompany then, thanks to Ron joining
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 3: M hm.
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Speaker 2: M m m mm hmmmmmmm