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Street Farbrengen Episode 133 - Divine Providence - Is it your Spiritual Tylenol? · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: Let's unpack a little bit the idea of Ashkakratas of Divine Providence because there are so many ways to use and abuse the idea.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: And the first question I want to ask is does Ashkaka Pratis empower you or diminish you?
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: But the answer is it depends on the context, but it could be either.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: Explain.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: You could you could utilize Hishkaka Pratis to empower you that Hashem is with you and that everything is being done for you, not to you, and that you could use it as a platform for you know growth and power, or you could diminish yourself with uh just saying, okay, I uh I don't have to get out of bed this morning because nothing that I'm gonna do has any value outside of um you know the fact that it's already been preordained, or however you want to phrase it.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it could be either.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: So if it's preordained, you're diminished for certain people, the idea that it's preordained takes away from the excitement, passion idea of the fact that they have free will and are um the chooser of their own lives.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: So obviously, we're bumping up into the idea of how much do I control my life and how much is is not free will.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is a this is a heavy-duty proof and I don't know what's going on.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's a heavy-door topic, but you know, it actually bores me.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: You're the one who brought it up.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm talking about free choice.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's the that's the counter You said that.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's the counterpoint of Ishkaka Pratt's promotion.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: Why is that the counterpoint?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Hashem is not controlling it if you're controlling it.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: Do you wait wait?
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_03: So everything's pratus, so that means he's controlling it.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: And therefore you don't have free choice?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's I'm saying this is the discussion behind it.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's not obviously what it is.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: We know what Kassidis says.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, what I meant by I don't I get bored of the questions.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of times people, you know, especially youngins, they think they're asking one of the most unique questions by tr by challenging.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: How was that question?
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, how could it be watch it?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: How could it be that the Abishta Hashem God knows everything in advance, but you have free choice?
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: Good question, Sherlak, and I'm sure that you're the first person in 2,000 years to ask that.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: But why I am bored by the question is what's the kavana behind the question?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because are you are you living it, giving it up to possibility that the idea is erroneous?
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Or are you just trying to understand how it could be?
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_03: What's the objective?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of times it's like, how can it be?
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not this, and it is what it is.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's Lamaila Minasechel, God knows everything, you have free choice.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: Goodbye, see you later.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: Now, what are you gonna do with it?
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's go back to Shkachapratas.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's my stance on it.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a beautiful stance, and I've uh spent many hours uh on the the former.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know because you're a philosopher.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_03: So, no, my question uh came up this week.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was traveling, and somebody back at my shoul sent me a clip that, of course, I knew, and I'm sure you do, famous clip of Rabbi Jonathan Sachs, Allah Shalom, the chief rabbi of uh I guess it's more than England, of the of the Empi of the British Empire.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: And um he was telling over his private conversation with the Rebbe, and the Rebbe says to him, So what are you doing on campus?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: He was a some kind of leader on campus, he was a student at the time in college, getting a degree, and the rabbi answered back to the Rebbe with a hagdama.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: He said, I find myself in a situation, and the Rebbe stopped him and said, One does not find himself in a situation, one puts himself in a situation.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought to myself, I knew that clip from a long time ago, but I f I've I asked myself, wait a second, everything's a shkaka pratis.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_03: Don't doesn't mean you find yourself in that situation?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: Great question.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well no, my question to you was doesn't that what it means?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that what it means?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so then how does the river say what he says?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I it it it so I went over to one of the well-known thinkers of where I was in Hasidic philosophy and I told him the question, and he said to me Um, I forget how he answered it, and then I said, Well, isn't it Ashkhakapratis that we're I'm asking you this question right now, as we're standing here in the base measures?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: And he says, And if I walk over across the way, is it also Ashkagapratus?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: That was his answer.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Implying that it wasn't?
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what he was implying, to be honest with you.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: He was saying that well, so now the question becomes is that's why I have the question.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: Ashkakha Pratis, that is a fundamental of the teaching of Chasidis, of the Bashemtav, is Ashkaka Pratis.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: The Friday Korean says three things that the Balshamtav innovated, if you wish, about Chasidis.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: One is Ashkaka Pratis, the other one's the H Maya and an Ahavas Israel.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_03: So therefore I'm asking, is Ashkaka Pratis that you find yourself where you live, or you put yourself there?
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: How do you reconcile that?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: And the Rebbe says it to him, according to him at least, right?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_03: That they're stuck, right.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_03: But and he said a Jew doesn't get stuck.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: But but it would be very valid for those women to write to the Rebbe and say we find ourselves in a situation.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: Are you gonna suggest that they put themselves in that situation?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: I um I I don't know.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what the Rebbe is.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what I want to know what you think.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: We we don't have you know.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: I I hear your question.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: I hear your question, and Well, that's so validated.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm holding space for your question.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um then, yeah, go on.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um you're saying what do you do with this?
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because you could say that you find yourself because of Hashkaka.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know the high rats.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's not what I do with it.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's the same thing, we can approach it the same way as we were talking about before about free choice.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe said to me, You don't put yourself, you don't find yourself where you are.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_03: So Shkakapratis.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you put if a person's driving down the highway and he gets a flat tire, are we gonna say you don't find yourself with a flat tire, you you put yourself there?
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it could be because you didn't check your tires for the last 75,000 miles, but barring that idea.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: It it's actually always b bothered me a particular Hayom Yom that's coming up that I think is relating to this, which is like this idea that um I know it's in Keshvan, that that Siddiqim have vision, and so they they go to where they're supposed to go, whereas ordinary folk are actually you know brought there by Hishkaka Pratis, and you know, they they're just led to the circumstances of where they need to fulfill their mission.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like the same idea.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, do you find yourself or do you place yourself like and it's always bothered me like what does it mean, like the tsadium go there?
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's like so they're not using Hishkaka Pratis, like what's going on?
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, first of all, you it's interesting how you use the term using Hishkakha Pratis.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because the Tsadik, who knows that he has to go to X place X, Y, and Z because he has vision, may still see it as a Shkakhapratis.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: He just knows that it is a Shakhapratis to be there.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: And to what was it say, you're quoting a Yomium, to do the birurim.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: So he knows the birurim have to be done, which is a shakhaprates.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: So now we get into but uh but and then the rest of us don't know what's flying, because we're we got our head in the stock market and so forth.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: So that's a lot nicer than I thought you were gonna say.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, you know.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: I know how to tow the line sometimes.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_03: So um, so we're brought to a place thinking we're here to make money, which is the yom yom, and really you're there to do birurim.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: Say a bracha and so forth.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: So you're saying we hear from that that the simple guy doesn't know what's flying, Hashkaka Pratis, brought him to that place.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and the tzadik who knows where the birurim are, his going there is not Hashkaka Pratis.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um the high- I have to look at the Hayogam, but that's that's how I always think.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, I I got that's how you took it.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: And that's how so what is the most I'm gonna adventure to say what do most people feel about Ashkakha Prathas is that it diminishes you.
• 10:21
  unknown: Okay.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're associating Tsadiqim with not Ashkakha Prates because they know to go there on their own, and you're being manipulated and moved around like a chess piece for the all the other people because you're going to a place that you have no idea why you're going there other than your own thoughts, but really it's a shgakhopratas for other reasons.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: Bingo.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: So then the answers diminish.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Except for Tsadikim.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: Or by Tsadikim, there's no Shakupratis.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I d no, obviously not.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_03: But you're bringing a different you're bringing a different dimension into the question, which is which is uh appreciated.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm just looking at it from all sides.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: So we've spoken many times about how people say when something bad happens to them, or you know, let's say they got that flat tire on the high highway and they're ready to like curse and scream and this it's a shkakhapratus.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: So now they feel better.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: So shkaka pratis there is is a is like a tylenol for your spiritual and emotional headache.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it really isn't for Sadekin, it's for right.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: That really isn't for Sadekin.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um no, that's you see.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, and and again by the way, and not to throw more wrenches into the into it, but it really it's a big topic.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: But then you talk about like other people doing things to you.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well the Altareba.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_03: They have they have Bahira.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_03: But the Altarebba has that in Tanya about being cursed, but it's no the fame, not only cursed, but the one who hits you in the harbish look.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm just saying this the additional dimension of other people's bakira apparently could affect you quite nicely.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: So again, how are we using Shkakhapratas?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I said you can use it and you could abuse it.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_03: So if I am ready to curse the fact that something happened to me and I go, ah, it's a Shkaka Pratis, is that an abuse of Saskaka Pratis or a use of Ashkaka Pratis?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's quite useful, but I didn't say useful, I said is it a use or an abuse?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: I heard what you said.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know because I I on the one hand, it's uh diminishing um your participation of it, but it's quite practical and helpful at times.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you know this is the famous story, it's a famous line, though I heard that it's not so famous because it's ill m uh ill quoted, but the famous line that religion is the opiate of the masses.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: So you're saying that, oh, it's really cool because I can say that I got a flat tire, it's a shgakapatis, so I'm not mad.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: And everything is good, and everything is uh copostatic.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: And is that what is listen?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: Ashkaka Pratis is also when there's a tsunami in the Philippines and a half a million people die.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: And also when good things are only focusing on the bad, but good things also when you attribute those good things to Ashkaka Pratis and you're thankful to Hashem for Wait, thankful does not mean Ashkaka Pratis.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't say that, but I'm saying you could also apply it to the positive.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: We're only using the negative examples.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: But people, the thank you, Hashem movement was the whole concept of it's a Shkhaka Pratis, also, well, maybe not their intention, but the idea behind being thankful and grateful is that Hashem.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: But let's go back, let's go back to the Rebbe's comment to this great man, Rabbi Sachs, who's a teenager at the time, late teens, maybe early twenties.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: No, he was 20s.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and he well, I don't know.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: He was getting his PhD at the time.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, he wasn't.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: I think he wasn't.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh whatever.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: So and he tells him you don't find yourself in a situation, you place yourself in a situation.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: So that must be the truth.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: Right, okay.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: So with that, we're not trying to debate, right?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: So let's approach the the topic from the other way around and ask what does that tell me for me and for you.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_03: You don't place you don't find yourself in a situation.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: You're placed you place yourself in a situation.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: Is that could that lead to blame and well it depends on it if you like your situation.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: I know that could that lead to blame is everything like my I'm saying if you if you're not happy with your circumstances and situation, that will potentially lead you to a place of blame or regret or so let's say we're doing a business deal.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: I can give a better example, but I won't.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Let's say we're doing a business deal and I intentionally steal money from you.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Do we apply you find yourself in a situation you didn't?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you place yourself in a situation, you didn't find yourself in a situation?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_00: Again, you're asking a very big question, but ultimately Okay, I'm asking a big question.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, does the Rebbe's statement apply to literally every s situation?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that's an interesting I believe so.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's okay, but why would you even think not?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, um you asked the question, so I'm I'm replying to you that the answer that I understand it to be is no, the Rebbe's qualification is not only when sex is in college, is that does it does it apply to the city?
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right, okay.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: So the answer is the answer is yes.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and it and again, when you So what does that mean?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: What it means is you were never made to you were never meant to make that money, and this person stealing just No no no no no no that would be a Shkakhapratis without your upc uh your participation.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm asking you according from what he's saying, the Rebbe told him that if I stole the money from you, you would say, I was I found myself in a situation where I lost a lot of money, and the Rebbe would say to you, No, you put yourself there.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's true.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: So then what is that?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um implication of that you can learn from your mistakes?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: Learn from your mistakes.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: You've no before you get to learning you didn't you didn't have a good enough conscience.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't you didn't you didn't have a strong enough consciousness?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you didn't have a I didn't have enough.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_03: So in other words, something I did allowed him to steal from me.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's a possible way of looking at it.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's a scary thing.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean it it's a lot of self-responsibility, so therefore you could go into the blame, the guilt, the everything I was saying before.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it it is a potentially um interesting rabbit hole that you could go down, and you have to curve it with some perspective from Street for Bringing.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now we haven't come up with the solution.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not even looking for the solution.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe said it.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: What I'm looking for is what do I do with it?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I go back to my original question.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: Does that mean according to this?
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, let's let's back up for a second.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: When the Rebbe told Jonathan Sachs that you don't find yourself, you don't you're not play you find yourself in a situation, you place yourself in a situation.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: Does that uh say like you th you were thinking about Sadiqim that is that an explanation what Hashkhaka Pratas is?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: Or is it saying Hashkhaka Pratas is suspended, so to speak?
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's a totally different feeling to the topic.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean that you get.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it it's I've been thinking about it.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so what do I do with it?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I definitely didn't like the Meshpiya's response to you.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what to do with that statement, so we could leave that on the side.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: What do you what do you take from us?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, he was saying that if I walk across the base majus, I decided to walk across the base medjus because I wanted to get it safer.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: Is that a shkakhaprates?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: The the Bal Shemto says a leaf falling on the ground is a shikha.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: But a leaf doesn't have its own willpower.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, but the the hayom yom for that ishkaka pratez, hayom yom, says that how much more so for a person and how much more so for a Jew is hishkaka prates.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: It actually increases the amount.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, good good gesached.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: So we that makes even a bigger question on the Rebbe.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you so what do you do?
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um but let's take for a second the Rebbe and Jonathan Sachs off the table.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: And let's just ask, does Hashkaka protest make you feel more engaged and powerful and empowered, or the opposite?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: I already answered that when we first started, but Okay, say it again.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think if my answer is still the same.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Not we for bringed.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me use the good thing for a second.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: But what I said, but what I said before was you could do you could use it for either depending on what state you're in, meaning you could diminish yourself using a shkaka protest.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: Explain you could uh you could dis you could diminish yourself by saying I don't need to contribute more than whatever I feel like doing because it's a shkaka pratis and there's nothing I can add to the situation.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's an that's a shkaka pratis as an excuse for something.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I just said diminish in real time.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, diminished meaning.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I I'm asking the question.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_03: I mean you're right, but I'm asking the question from a different perspective.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm asking, now that everything is a shkaka pratis, am I there's a sense by a lot of people that that the holier you are, holier you are, the more you go for the ride.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: You just go along with the ride.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: And somebody who would think less of a shaka pratis would feel that his life is more in his own hands.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: So what are we um embracing you let's say you and me.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: What are we embracing?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Are we embracing the it's more in my hands?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Or less in my hands.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's it's it's it's something that comes up for me a lot, and I'll tell you where, when and why.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: When I go flitting around the world for my job, um, and even when we were making films and I'm interviewing, let's say, professors, these are people who have spent most of their life on a track and moving on that track, right?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: They went to high school, they went to college, they got their PhD, they're doing research, they got writ up in journals and they take their their job very seriously and very much I would as I'm assuming motivated by their own recognizance that they have to get it done.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: So let's maybe say it that way.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: Do does Hakaka protis mean you have to do it does it motivate you to get you to do even more get it done or less?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_03: And what's that feeling that they have because the next question would be do you lose when I say diminish what are we talking about?
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Do I lose satisfaction?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think the answer is the when Hishkakhar Pratis is used properly like everything in Hasidis if it's actually used properly it's not going to diminish it's obviously how do you use the practice so so the idea so the idea of Hishkakratis being enhanced is enhanced?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah enhancing your experience of the situation your life what you're doing yeah that you're you're you're you're tapping for whatever reason it's being compared in my mind right now to Batachen we've talked about it a number of times here actually that does batachen make you want to work harder and do more or does it create a laziness you have batachen so I don't have to do anything.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: So it's the same idea I think here okay so I say very strongly batachen means you take more risk.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah because you're and and you're excited you're I think whatever excited I think the Friedrich Arabis says you're excited because you're now guaranteed your success in your goal so you're excited and you work harder to get there because you now you now have that assurance.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: So well you don't have the assurance oh you have you mean you you're owning assurance okay so when you come to that conclusion that you have batachin that it's going to work out you're gonna make whatever your objective is when and how does Ashapratas fit into the journey there does btachin or let me put it this way does batachin move the the journey or does the journey arouse the Batachin so that meaning to say you want to go to this meeting and let's go play with the game again with the with idea so you want to go to this meeting that you know for sure you're gonna make a lot of money from this meeting and you get a flat tire and now you're late.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: So it's part of the journey.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: Sure right so it's interesting how what really behind all of this for me is it's interesting how these questions are intellectual questions.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well one second a scientist is intellectual and also makes I don't mean to say philosophical I mean int intellectual so what about her question are you Margish?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: We said if you have batach and if you have trust and and you feel sure that you're gonna reach your objective so your hergish your feeling in every step of the way is I am reaching my objective even though the Hashgaka Pratus may be that and I don't want to give myself an iron heart but like it may be that I got a flat tire right okay and that's part of the is part of the batak and then I'm gonna get what I need okay so it's just interesting to me how so what would be the hergish of feeling you I think you may have answered already what's the hergish of feeling that everything's a shkakhapatis?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah in the healthy sense I think it's the excitement of um engaging with what you're no that's the reaction to it what's the hergish that it is a shkakhapatis now the fact that we have to think about it means that we usually don't margish it right you're giving away all of our secrets so what's the hergish the hergish is you said it before in the beginning the this entity called God is with you and of you or vice versa you of him rather than being you know some pers some entity looking over the down at the universe like a drone picture and he's watching me that's a big difference.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: And maybe the Rebbe's answer is how if you work Ashkaka Pratis to the point where you're Margish then you're like a tzadak in your yom and then you find and then you you bring yourself to the situation you don't find yourself you don't only react to it.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: That would be very powerful wow if that's the way it's supposed to be then it's kind of powerful that we don't that we think it would be very powerful.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't feel it a lot so I like you said accurately if I have to think about it it's probably no it's because it's like I said about the about free choice and the question how could I have free choice if God knows in advance that he what I'm gonna do it's a good question.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's obviously a good question.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_03: What do you want to do with it?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Why don't you just accept that's the way it is and now what do I do with it?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_03: What do I feel what is does it does it um change how does it change any situation I'm in how does it feel to have free choice talking about Ashkaka Prattism free choice I'm in a situation maybe that's what the Rebbe meant that he says the Rabbi Sachs says to him well you know I'm in a situation I find myself in and I don't even know what I forget where he was going he's I've heard him say a couple times what he meant by that if I don't recall at the moment and the Rebbe says you don't find yourself in a situation you put yourself in a situation what is the Rebbe saying is that your Margish let's let's let's play it out Rabbi Sachs is the leader he was a thinker he was going for his PhD according to what you're saying and he was talking about the Jewish students on campus and the Rebbe says you don't find yourself there you put yourself there what's the hergish of that empowerment the the feeling of so ownership of maybe it's not the shot that God didn't bring you there because everything's a prate that you were partner partnered with or you felt um your I mean like you could look at it as your Helikalikami Ma Mamish is the one that actually was Hashem's Hishkaka Prattess that was deciding it.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was part of you it was it was with you.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well obviously on some level you're one with God at that point right I don't know when that's what's driving you know Hishkaka protest plugs in you know but anyway.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but I'm saying the the idea that you're you're you're you're not Margish it but that your Nefishelkis is actually what's giving you highest is actually what's directing things on maybe a subconscious level that you think on your conscious level that I found myself in this situation whereas in the subconscious or more accurately according to Hasidis your Rukhneus you know Nefish aspect of it is what placed you there's a there's an element here that we didn't bring out strong enough and that is Ashkakha Pratis does it mean I am not in that picture I didn't have an influence on Ashkaka Pratas or not so Jonathan Sachs let's use the way the Rebbe says it and it says in in by the Fried Rebbe a number of times Jonathan Sachs was growing up and he decided to go to college that was his choice right okay and he went to this college okay and that he didn't find himself there he put himself there.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's Hashkaka Pratis that Johnny and Susie are students on campus and now what are you gonna do about them and their Jewishness but you don't say I find myself you put yourself there and they abusion so to speak made Johnny and Susie go to campus to meet you not by sex.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: So but you have the idea that a person well depends because then we have the we're going back to I think you're you're you're you're uh spiraling the same idea but I I I think the point that you were making before is valid in the in that when you can margish this then you're tapping into almost the field of the tzadik that could at least witness or see the contribution of going to the place because you see that that's where you were meant to be so you're you're you're subtly maybe not so subtly but like you're you're tapping into that you're you're getting you're getting that sense finally of what that is which is that Sadik is living from the place of consciousness of the Nefesh elakis and you're you're getting a you're getting a taste of that by by having that hergish okay um so let's apply this to something we all relate to as as Chasidim 32 years after Gimel Thomas knew you were gonna go there and you know you have songs about I remember the Fabringans and you have um whatever how do you understand ashkaka pratis in this context I think it's easier for me who never got to see the remote honestly okay for me it's like not a question it was clearly ishkaka pratis that you didn't get to see yeah I didn't the I I am here I'm at the table literally and figuratively you know to but I meant I yeah but I meant not so much that Ashkakapratus you didn't see him well first of all do we would would we apply you don't find yourself in that situation yeah you put yourself in that situation how how could you even suggest that I could suggest it quite clearly you put yourself here that you're here but that here is that you're finding yourself in a situation opposed gimbal thumbs is not your you're doing no but I I could feel that slash um need for me as a person that this is the situation that I was given and is tailor made for me that's means you are you find yourself in that situation I'm playing I'm placing myself in a situation where I could have a deeper connection with the Rebba how did you place yourself in that I'm just saying like I I'm saying it on a more I'm saying it on a more hergish level I don't know how to answer that question logically that you put yourself here regarding the gimmel tones I I'm saying I'm Are you making this up or you feel that way?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: No I I feel this way sometimes for sure really yeah okay I don't I I don't grasp that but I know and I don't know if I could explain it but it's the reality and it's obviously Hishkakar pratis fully and completely that this is exactly what my Nishama was able to handle and is actually for the I thought all that but I'm asking you whether you put yourself in that situation again it depends on how um theoretical or well I want to know what the rebel the rebel was telling you in the kids track do you want me to be be do you place well this is the whole question do you place yourself in the family situation in the year that you were born and that all that was Hishkaka Pratis we all just say here you are here if you this is this is where you you are being placed now you're having you know your mission so I think there's a a simple answer I just thought of it.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: Hit me I'll try the Rebbe was not responding to the question is it a Shkakha Pratis and you find yourself there regarding Ashkakapratas we can even argue and say that's a fact right it's post-Gimel Thomas it's 30 what is it 32 years after Gimel Thomas and we know our general situation that we're in okay you can't get around that okay that's Hashkaka protest no doubt okay but the Rebbe was r responding to his reaction to that Hashkaka Pratas he wasn't answering a theological question and said you don't find yourself you place yourself he was responding to his remark so let's go back what I mean so you and I are now here 32 years after Gimel Thomas that's Hashka Pratis I didn't create that you could say you can even argue theologically that I did but we'll say I didn't create that but I get up and I say I find myself in a situation regarding the Hashkaka Pratt that is 32 years.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: And that is what the Rebbe responds to you find yourself that's your response that is such a weak unengaged no free choice comment and approach you should be margish in the context of the Shgal Pratt is that it's so many years after Gimel Thomas that I had placed myself in this situation.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: And now the question becomes and let's ask Jonathan Sachs so to speak what's the response to that that now I'm not what am I gonna do?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right now what am I gonna do?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's a yeah right so we go back to we go back in a sense to the the other idea that you brought up originally which is how often we use Ashkaka Pratis as an excuse for not doing anything.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Even if there's nothing for you to do if you want to really argue about it.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: But do you have the frustration that you can't do anything about it not because you're fighting Ashkaka Pratis because I don't place myself I don't find myself I place myself you know so um uh you know we're coming up to El we can do do you look at your lack of behavior or your not so good behavior as finding yourself in that situation or putting yourself in that situation that's I mean most of us will say no no no I put myself I will take responsibility for whatever I did okay good what about let's say we're coming up to shortly Shabbosmavorchim we are meant to say the book of Tehlim before David before we we pray so am I finding myself in that situation to have to say the book of Teilim or did I put myself is the question is on the reaction to the obligation to say the Tehil and we're not answering the theology we're answering the mysur and then it changes everything and then it's maybe it's connected to the Friday Kareb's I love that you know I love this one about Frida Karebas's the Bakr Yungraman or whatever he was first day of Elul and he gets up in the morning and he says all the book of talam and he goes through the whole month and he does the Khashburn and Nafish and Roshani he accepts the Abishta's Malchus and R Yam Kippur he's crying like a baby and then such as he's mom is dancing is so excited and the Rebbe Fried Rabba who's an amazing writer gives the whole timeline from Ell for 40 days to Sim Chastara and then to Yim Kippur and then Sim Chastara and then says it's all superficial.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was all superficial so the real question is when Ell comes up do you say to yourself I find myself an Ell or I place myself an El Bracha TV