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Blood & Guts Preview and AEW Hot Topics · Ignition - an AEW Podcast

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It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for ignish with the
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aw Fanta podcast team. This is Kelson, this is Alex and for the
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ninety ninth time in ninety nine months, I'd say we had another update regarding
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the WBD TV deal with aew WPD sounds dirty when you say it, anyway,
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I won't. I won't say it exclusively Warner Brothers Discovery WD WBD is
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fine. Yeah, so so you know, we we've had a lot of
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updates that they've signed a deal, that they've agreed to something, but still
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today even you know, July twenty first was the deadline for exclusive bargaining between
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AW and Warner Brothers Discovery, who owns TNT and TBS where they have their
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TV show, and it's been reported from a few sources that they have kind
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of agreed to a deal, like they don't have the terms worked out,
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but they seem to be saying that they have agreed that they will come to
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a deal. Is my understanding of this news. Yeah, but the fightful
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Select came out kind of shot that down, but it's the battle of the
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dirt sheets at this point, who do you believe? Well, we also
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had that news that well, not even news, it's been seen that they've
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been uploading AW content to MAX in certain territories, like in Europe, I
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know, at least France, but they've been uploading kind of the library of
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AW events kind of. I gotta be honest with you here, let me
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interrupt you here, Alex. I looked up like where match is available in
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Europe, and there's it's places like Finland and Norway and France, et cetera.
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I went to I I on my own dime. I went to all
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of those places. Okay, yes, you've never heard of VPN. Well
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that's what I Yeah, I did VP yeah. And and France is the
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only one that has it so far that they have changed since yesterday morning.
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But France is the only one that has it so far. Okay, But
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like to me, even if it is just France, they have uploaded all
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that content, would I would they upload Would they take the time to do
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that if you know four months from now, AW is no longer going to
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be part of Does that make any sense? So, like, there's a
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lot of there's nothing official obviously, but there's a lot of smoke. To
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me, so I think we are going to have some deal announced in the
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maybe not immediate future, but in the next few months, and I think
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for sure aw sticking with WBD. Yeah. Well, the thing that I've
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heard the most is that a few months ago WBD made a made an offer
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I guess to aw NAAWS didn't accept it, but they're negotiating it still.
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So yeah, I'm interested to see what happens. Because the other thing that
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comes to the play of this is that DNT, which of course is owned
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by Warner Brothers Discovery, did bake a matching offer for part of the NBA
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package. Yeah, that package. From what I've read on ESPN dot com,
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that package would put NBA games on Thursday nights and then other games streaming
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on Max as well. Though the reason I found that interesting is I'm kind
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of thinking, Look, if I was Warner Brothers Discovery, one of my
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main goals were would be to get AW off of Saturday night, specifically with
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Collision, and put it on another night. But that being said, Thursday
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is now out the out of the window. You know, it's taken out
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out of commission because you've got the potential if, if, if the NBA
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does accept the deal, the offer because NBA has the right to not accept
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it. You know, I just thought the Baby Collision moving to Thursday night
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made sense, Yeah, because that that would be the only other night that
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they don't have wrestling on that's not Sunday. Because yeah, as Monday and
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Tuesday and Friday, you has Wednesday and Saturday now and Friday as well.
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Yeah, so I guess there's a would make sense. But so that's another
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thing that I'm interested in to seeing if, because they were testing out a
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few times, how the three hour block of wrestling go is Rampage can remain
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a one hour show on Friday nights where they can to combine it into part
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of Collision or part of Dynamite. I can tell you whether will never use
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a Thursday NFL football as long as they're part of the they're involved with the
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Jaguars, because there's the opportunity that there may be events, may they may
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have games on Thursday night. Ten you'll never do wrestling on Thursdays. That's
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a good point too, Yeah, Thursday night football is a big deal.
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M Yeah. And another thing like that's interesting about the NBA staying with wb
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D I know, David Dave Meltzer had said something about it kind of being
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bad for the the money and a potential AW deal if they're sending out one
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point eight billion dollars to the NBA. But if if CANT doesn't have the
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NBA, then what then there's not a whole lot going on on that channel
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other than you know T like you know, DC movies or whatever they show
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on that channel. Well. Well, also keep in mind that the NBA
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brings in I'm not sure that the NBA was profitable profitable for t T or
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Warner Brothers Discovery, but you know, the best case scenario, the NBA
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brings in money for the network, and therefore the network can then offer AW
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more money. Now, if they're not getting that money in, then maybe
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they can't offer AW more money. I don't know. It's there's a reason
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I'm not at a TV executive. Yeah, and also I also heard that
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NBA deal is bringing games to Max, and I think, yeah, if
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you have NBA games on Max, you have AW on Max, you have
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whatever other things they have the rights to, it just makes Max way more
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interesting product and something that could maybe compete with Netflix and some of these other
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things on a longer term than if he was just aw alone. Yeah,
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I agree with you. Well, we've talked quite a bit. Does anybody
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else have any I any opinions on on this prospective TV deal ready to go
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ahead? Even without Basketball and TNT, they still have MLB on TBS and
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they have hockey on tn T. I'm not I can't say I'm familiar with
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the ratings off the top of my head, but it's not like without the
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NBA there's no synergetic advertising for Turner Broadcasting. They still have professional sports,
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so right, what doesn't tn T also have original dramas as well? Yes,
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and they have The Big Bang Theory and Young Childen too. Mh.
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So if I want if it goes to max, what are you guys wanting
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out of it? What would you guys be arrested in a w have me?
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Because I don't think they're going to give up T and T it being
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on T and T. Are you hoping for pay per views being streamed from
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there or are you hoping from a backlog? What are you guys wanting?
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Well? Yeah, so what you said, you know, I definitely think
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that having the pay per views being premium live events from now on, we're
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no really good because more people would be able to see them. The biggest
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thing to me is the prospect of having the libraries on Max, so people
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go back and look at the beginning of a w and see what it's all
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about, and see how some of these wrestlers had developed. I mean,
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you could look at wrestlers that have been with DAW for a long time,
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like Britt Baker and see how they they developed, Sammy Gavara, Sky Blue
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and Julia Hart, Jack Perry obviously, Darby Allen, you know what I
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mean. Yeah, and MGF Well, M Jeff really hasn't changed tab much
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except he's gotten a lot more hitting the spray tad bottle a lot harder,
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and he's bulked up a little bit. But he's still you know, our
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scum bag. Yeah. And to that point, I really want them to
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like make playlists, like you said, of these different wrestlers and just have
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an easy way instead of just going back and watching like Rampage one or you
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know, the first Few Dynamites. That's never a way that I really like
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to go back and watch old wrestling. If they could have like playlists of
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best matches and best promos to kind of package that together, I think that
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makes it a lot funner too, and easier to sit through. Right.
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Have you seen the Alex Have you seen the the I guess they're like a
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mini biographies. I can't remember what they're called. But they've done several wrestlers
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from AAW on the AW YouTube page where it chronicles their entire career in AAW
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and you could literally watch every single match that some of these people have been
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in, including dark matches, you know, and it's actually pretty interesting.
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No, yeah, I've never I think I've seen it, maybe, but
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I haven't actually just sat down and started watching one. That sounds like it'd
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be really good though, especially if they could put that on there and I
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can just sit on my TV and just click it on and fall asleep to
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it type of thing. Yeah, the only one that I know. They've
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done like three of them. I know. I know that the one with
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Julia Hart caught my eye, but they're like even Julia Hart'squad was like two
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hours long, so I mean, obviously it takes a lot of work to
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do so, but yeah, but if you go on I don't know if
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you if anybody here belongs to Honor Club, if you go on to Honor
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Club. It has the current library, it has the back library of Hotter
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Club. You can go on there and you can watch episodes all the way
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back to the first episode of Honor Club, Ring of Honor, I mean
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since Tony Kahan took it over and beyond that too. So that's important and
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I have found myself going back and looking at those. Yeah, I have
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watched some of that. And one thing that really bugs me is that you
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know in Ring of Honor, just like back in the day in ECW,
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that they use copyrighted music and you know WWE, if you watch some of
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that old stuff on the WWE network back in the day, like they would
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at least put music over that, like generic music, but there was something
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there. From what I can tell, aw Or Ring of Honor is just
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taking the music out, so it's just completely silent, Like you think you're
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TV's broken when Brian Danielson's coming out the final countdown and just nothing his air
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like playing it all. Yeah. Yeah, Well, it's gonna be interesting
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over the next few days to see if anything is said about the Warner Brothers,
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Discovery and AWTV deal. Although fightful select when they just posted about something
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a couple hours ago about it. They just basically said that it's really not
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as imminent as people are thinking it is. But I do believe that AAW
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is negotiating with Warner Brothers Discovery and not really worrying about anybody else. But
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let's move on because tomorrow night on AW Dynamite, we've got Blood and Guts,
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that's the name of the show. Of course, We've got the Blood
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and Guts match between Team a W and Team Elite. We've got other matches
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as well. Is there anything on this card that stands out to you,
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guys as what are you looking forward to the most? I mean, obviously
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probably some most of us are going to say the Blood and Guts match between
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AW and Team Elite, But there are some other interesting matches on this card.
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Has anything caught your eye besides the Team Elite and Team AW match?
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And furthermore, who do you like in this match? What do you think
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is gonna happen in that in that Blood and Guts match? I'm gonna say
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and step out. I don't really care about his boot match. I'm not
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a big fan of it. I don't mind. It was good when it
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started out, but I'm not a big fan of Mark Brisco and Max Caster
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and them being in it, I thought they could have picked some better people
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to be in it because I just I just don't care about their client.
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I like Brisco, but I'm just not interested in this match. That's an
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interesting point because I've seen a lot of people say nobody's really benched Mark Briscow
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other than you. You know, people seem to be okay. But people
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don't seem to be okay with Max Caster and Anthony Bowens. Some people were
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saying FTR would have fit better. Uh, but there could be others too.
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Are you so the next person that answers are you also? I guess
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part of the question be are you happy with Tim ad w? I like
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the lineup. I don't want to see FTR in that match. They've been
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in this match a few months ago, you know, they've been in the
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the the other one that was there, and I get tired of seeing FTR
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in every match. Did something like this give some other people a chance?
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You know, having a swerve and his history with the RB and his history
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with the Elite or the uh uh with yeah, with the Bowens and company,
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and it's it makes it interesting On Team A W side. I think
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it's a good team. I think that I almost hope that they actually give
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this win to ae W because having Elite the Elite just keep winning kind of
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makes it useless to have these matches, all right, who has uh?
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Who wants to go next? M I think we're being told every week that
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this is a new era, for the Dynasty era for a W, and
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I think Swerve Harby Allen obviously has the storyline up with the Elite getting back
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to revolution Our brisk Co represents Ring of Honors, Swarve represents a W.
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And then you have the Acclaimed, who are sort of the tag team of
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the future and you know, maybe gonna win this title soon. So I
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think it makes sense. I mean, we're in the Dynasty era. This
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is swerves AW right now, and this is Swerves team, and it's representative
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of that, and I think that makes sense. Yeah, and I I
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agree, Like I like the composition of Team a W. I like Swearve
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being featured. I like all the guys in the match. It's just that
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they were kind of thrown together at the last minute, usually at blood of
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Guts. It's like this team that's an established team versus another established team,
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and yeah, there's my history there. Between those five guys, they're kind
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of all their own people. Well, at least it wasn't Mark Brisco and
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he claimed Tyler O'Reilly and Roderick Strong and Arge. That would even make a
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little conglomerate. They conglomerate should have been the other side. It's the conglomeration,
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not the Congloise, say something stupid saying apologized it was the conglomerate.
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I forgot thet and blood and guts sells itself just because it's just such a
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crazy match, like it can't be bad, it's not. No one's gonna
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not watch it. Even if the Conglomeration and the Learning Tree were made up
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team a W. I think even still Kelson would watch this match. Oh
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no, I wouldn't. Oh no, he wouldn't. It would make him
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watch it less was it that he was involved. But you know, beyond
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the actual blood of Guts match on Collision on Saturday night, we saw a
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very very unfortunate injury to sky Blue, which it's not been reported that she
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suffered a broken ankle, which hey, it wasn't a torn ACL and a
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tour in MCL, you know, but a broken ankle is still a broken
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ankle, and that could be months, you know, doesn't We don't know
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the extent of the broken ankle, but she suffered that in the match against
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Karushida, and a few moments after the match was over, she'd have cut
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a really really good promo in my opinion, where she challenged on Dynamite doctor
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Britt Baker. So we are getting on Dynamite doctor Britt Baker dmb at Hakarushida.
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And I don't know about you guys, but I think that this is
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a pretty intriguing match. Yeah. I think it's a huge match because the
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last time they fought, if I'm not mistaken, was a car. Sheeta
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losing the title. The Britt Baker I didn't wrestle the last time she held
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the belt, nor go ahead the car she'd have. Didn't they wrestle the
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last time the car should have held the title? Did they? Did they
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have one a tag? Okay? Or maybe it was a fatal four way?
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Yeah? Yeah they were yeah, Yeah, that was that was it?
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All in was the last time I think that they were in the ring
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together. It was right before Breaker got hurt. Yeah, well, I
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think but Baker was hurt at all in but she just was soldering on.
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This will give Britt a chance to show that she's improved. I'm not holding
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my breath because, you know, coming back doing a sob story during all
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this time off. Hopefully she's improved. It will take a lot for her
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to get better. She was not that impressive in the ring before. Well
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know, right away, I mean, it ain't gonna be like it'll take
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the whole match to figure it out. But hopefully she has gotten better because
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that will add to the different things that is going on right now with her
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in Mercedes, and hopefully that it's going to be a good match. Well
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keep in mind also that it really doesn't matter if you're really good in the
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ring as long as you've got that are about you. I mean, look,
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let's not make any bones about it. Hulk Hogan was the most popular
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wrestler of his time when he was in his prime, and he couldn't wrestle
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for a ship, you know, I mean so and I don't even want
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to talk about any Kingston so anyway, I mean that's my take on it.
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I honestly in this in this uh Dynamite Tomorrow night. Those are the
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two matches that stand out to me the rest. I mean, you've got
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Murder Grandpa against Chris Jericho, which I don't whatever. Are you gonna watch
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it? Uh? It depends on how it depends on how sadistic I feel
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tomorrow. That's that's promising. I think most Jericho matches you would say you're
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not gonna watch ahead of time. So no, that's incorrect. I like
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Chris Jericho the ring. No, I mean, but the learning tree is
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just stupid. Let me put it this way. If it's if it's a
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freight match, I'll probably watch it. If they do a learning tree segment
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before it, that's I'm gone. Well, his boys are banned from the
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ring side, so it would be yeah, great if if he won,
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But he won't. I didn't mean that he kept around but a little bit
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and stuff because I am honestly I think it's time for Jerich go to lose
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that title. I just don't want to go back to Hook if it does.
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Uh. I mean he may be here for an excursion, so he
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may be able to use it quite a bit, but I just don't want
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to go back to Hook because I think Hook needs to go off and just
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forget about that title. I agree with that. I mean Hook should't move
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on to something else I could see. I could see Suzuki winning it tomorrow
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night and it having something to do not with Hook but with Taz tz getting
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in both somehow getting the title off with Jericho to clean it back up again
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and make it what it once was instead of what it is now. Wow.
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My dream is for Suzuki to win the title, put it on the
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announcers and tesk in front of Taz, put a whole bunch of lighter fluid
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on it, and take Jack Perry's or Darby Alex playthrower and light that sot
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of a bitch and destroy it and never seen again. It's a ship title,
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it's a meetingless title. I don't I like Taz, don't get me
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wrong, but as that title has no business being in aaw get rid of
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it. Yeah. I feel like they need to get rid of one title,
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and if it's that title, so be it. I don't think it
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wins. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. What are the chances that
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someone comes out and helps Jericho a new member of the Learning Tree, Oh
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God forbid. Yeah, I think there's a good chance, But I don't
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know, it would be maybe private party, you learned a lesson? Ah,
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that kind of look. Tony Cotton needs to pay attention to what's being
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said on the internet about the Learning Tree, and more importantly, they need
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to look he needs to look at the absolute, complete and utter drop off
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of gratings when the Learning Tree shows up. They are the single worst thing
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on aw right now period. It was great to start off, but but
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I think it's rain of course, I really think that. LOOKI gets it,
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and and they move on, and maybe Jared I don't. I don't
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know. I don't want to see anyone members added to it. I think
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Jeredo needs to end it and do one of his world Grimers turns and just
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go go to the different direction on it. Yeah, like I like it.
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I for me, the worst part about it is Hook and Taz being
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involved. Ah, but yeah, I have no issues with it. I
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like it. Uh yeah, Hey, but if somebody else does come out,
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why couldn't it be Ricky Starks? Oh that'd be terrible, It really
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would, but it could be. I mean, that's it's the Learning Tree
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they thrive on. Terrible. Yeah, Ricky Starks, he only had a
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very brief time in the Jericho Vortex. He does have history with Big Bill.
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It's so stupid, it might just work. That's the model of the
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learning tree. Well, Alex, what do you want to talk about next?
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Well, I guess yeah we have. Ricky Starks was in the news
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recently and it was kind of a dumb article that I read. It was
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saying that Ricky Starks is hinting he's going to return to wrestling, but he
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didn't specifically say he was returning to a w So I think it's putting more
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fuel on that is Ricky Starks leaving aw And why haven't we seen him in
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many months? Well, I I posted this on our page and I didn't
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check where it came from. And sports Skita is not exactly known for great
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journalism, so they're more click baity thing. But look, if he's done,
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he's done. I and I I think he'd deflated himself somehow, and
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he was he was doing great and something happened. I don't know what it
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was, but he's gonna go to WWE. More power to him. Lots
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there's been several AW guys who have went there and and had moderate success,
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So good luck to him. I don't think he's a superstar like some people
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think he is, but he's definitely adequate. But if he wants to go
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and join Cody, it is Brandon, go for it. Well, let
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me ask you this, let me ask everybody this. I mean, you
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pay attention to the Internet, you pay attention to what people are talking about
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on discord or just day to day. It's a striking I've noticed this.
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Nobody's talking about Ricky Starks. Even when they make these kind of articles about
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Ricky Starks, nobody's talking about Ricky Starks. Does anybody care about Ricky Starks's
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look it? I look at him at honestly as a mid quarter at best.
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I was never really impressed with him. I mean, you know,
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he's got a gimmick, is just every day running the milk kind of thing.
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There's nothing spectacular about what he does. You know, he can talk
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on the mic, I'll give him that, But other than that, he's
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just He's just one of those guys that are like, I'm here, but
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you can miss him and not miss him, you know what i mean.
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Right when you look at Ricky Starks, do you see it better off at
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a w as a heel or a babyface. I think you know, his
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work his babyface in contrast to NJF was fantastic. I think his feud with
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Powerhouse Hobs was good for what it was. He's a great heel. He
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has a passion and an intensity that's palpable and I think collision he can be
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a great heal. It's just hard when you have championship aspirations to do the
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job like Ricky Starks has done so many times. So I you know,
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I wonder what kind of creative he's supposedly been given and he's turned down.
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I wonder what it has entailed. Well, look at you know, we've
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talked about this before, but Ricky Starks is kind of cursed at aw and
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he's even alluded to this and his promos. I mean, everything that he
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gets into through no fault of his own falls apart. He had a thing
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with Sam Punk Seampunk gets released. He had a thing with this guy and
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that guy got hurt. You know what I mean. He had he started
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to have a thing with Adam Copeland a little bit at Adam Copeland ripped him
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a new asshole in a shoot. Promo looked like to me and Ricky Stark's
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never covered from that. I mean, Pupeland made a book so bad talking
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about uh, you know what, do you call him a midget rock wannabe
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or something like that? That was it. Starks had nothing. M hmmm.
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Yeah, that was a weird thing because, yeah, he like legitimately
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upset Adam Copeland, who deems to be one of the nicest guys in the
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world, at least wrestling. Yeah, but you know, there's certain things
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that you don't come out and talk about. Adam Copeland's bug eyes with Adam
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Copeland is a Hall of Famer veteran, and your Ricky Starks, I don't
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know. In my mind, if you were to look at the handful of
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young talent, you'd want to build this company around at least going forward.
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In my mind, Ricky Starks is one of them. So it just like
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I would say Jay White Is or MJF or Hangman or In my mind,
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he's one of those guys because he can talk, because he can work in
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the ring, and he's proven those things time and time again. I think
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he could have been tagged Team Champions with Powerhouse Hobbs, and I just agree.
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I think he had a chance when he first came in and he and
32:21
he kind of fizzled, so, you know, but like I said,
32:24
there's other places for him to go and he could shine somewhere else, but
32:30
he he faded into the background and it's time of Big Bill. Wasn't bad,
32:37
but then somehow Big Bill got sucked into Jericho bortex and really started out
32:44
shine him. So I don't know where they would put Ricky Starts. To
32:46
be honest, the problem with Big Bill and Ricky Starks is a Big Bill
32:52
out shown Ricky Starks. Ricky Starks needs to be a singles wrestler so he
32:57
can do his own thing and not have his own partner outshine him. That's
33:05
just my opinion on that. Well, let's move on because we had a
33:10
little bit of a weird I consider it a weird story. Is that her
33:16
business from WWE, Bobby lashly Uh was removed from the WWE internal roster.
33:27
MVP also was removed from the WWE internal roster, and we know that MVP
33:32
has had creative differences. I guess with triple H is the best way of
33:37
putting it. Shelton what's his name, Shelton Benjamin? Is that right?
33:44
Shelton Benjamin has been a free agent for a long time. He was a
33:46
part of her business group as well, and under Cedric, Alexander was still
33:52
with a with WWE. It is wrestled in several dark matches with Chante believe,
34:00
and the last one being last month I believe it was. But he's
34:04
still in the group. But there were reports saying that Bobby Lashley and MVP
34:09
want to come to AW and restart Hurt Business. Obviously, they won't be
34:15
able to call it Hurt Business because it is all script firm at w WWE
34:21
has a trademark for that name, so it'd be something different. But I
34:25
don't know. I mean, you get a little bit of a different,
34:30
different take on this. I posted this on THEAW vanom subreddit and some people
34:35
are like, sure, why not, And some people are like, the
34:37
last thing we need is a guy, another guy pushing fifty coming to AW.
34:43
So what are your thoughts on this? I'm not even sure it's the
34:47
age thing. Bobby lastly is one of those guys that they've used him in
34:57
some weird ass things and and they put him in there and had the whole
35:01
thing with him in Lana and and and russe v at the time that was
35:07
that was some crazy ass ship and and her business was okay, I guess,
35:10
but he's one of those guys that it's another big guy that Aw's got
35:15
plenty of them that they don't even use. Now. M VP was m
35:20
v P. I wasn't impressed with him when he was in his prime.
35:23
Benjamin I loved, always did think he got misused. He never got given
35:28
the chance that he should have. If I wish to choose any of those
35:31
three to come to a W would be Shelle Benjamin. But I don't really
35:36
see a need for him. I mean, where would you put him,
35:38
what would you do with him? Well, wasn't it Ricky Starks actually who
35:44
came on and said, we don't want Shelton Benjamin and a W or I
35:47
don't want him in a W. Maybe that's a built in feud right there.
35:52
Maybe that's what Yeah, yeah, that's true. This is true.
36:01
Uh, Mike has has the right to do that because he is the best
36:07
wrestler in the world. Well he's been doing that for everybody who they say
36:10
pop that handing, So uh, I just I'm not interested in it.
36:14
I don't think I know. There was a long time ago some beef between
36:20
Jericho and MVP. Uh. I just don't want the negativity. I don't
36:23
think we needed They're not I don't. I hate to use the term,
36:28
but I don't see them as needle movers as much. Lastly, he has
36:31
been around about every major company I can think of, and I just don't
36:37
want us to a w t B just another spot for him to come in
36:40
and do do some small things and go. I would rather sign younger talent
36:45
and build them up than I would rather see her hurt Walber. I like
36:50
Shelton Benjamin. I've been for him coming. Uh. I think Shelton Benjamin
36:53
could could do the Johnny TV type thing and put over some young talent.
36:58
But he's really like like el sentence that I just really he's the only one
37:04
I really want. M Yeah. I have two thoughts on it. I
37:13
think, Yeah, you don't want to just keep doing WWE. Also,
37:16
rans you don't want to just trot out acts that were there. It's kind
37:22
of yeah, it is like a throwback old WCW thing, just having you
37:28
know, WWE failed things that you're just showing on your TV show. But
37:36
they are, especially Bobby Lashley, he's a freak of nature. And if
37:40
they're in a position where they are just paired with some younger talent that you're
37:46
trying to make look good and it's not about them and it's about the younger
37:51
guys, then I could see it being okay. But I think it's probably
37:55
best to just say no because of it's just gonna look like you're retreading WWE
38:01
stuff. Yeah. I think that Sutt made a really good point. Let's
38:08
face it, of the group, Bobby Lashley is the marquee name, and
38:15
he's a big guy. I mean, look at him. I mean he's
38:17
obviously a big guy. And a w just does not utilize their big guys
38:25
full effect, I guess, is the best way I can put it.
38:29
They won't, you know, Hobbs has won the TNT Championship, so as
38:34
wardlow but very not memorable. I mean, if you're gonna have these big
38:39
guys, you gotta put them in big situations. Yeah, that's just something
38:44
that AW doesn't do. Yeah, just like one time, they need to
38:49
give one of these big guys just a run where they're killing everyone. They
38:52
win the world title and they're holding on to it for a while because it
38:58
just makes sense. Yeah, it's kind of funny because through the history up
39:02
to ae W, the big guy was what everybody wanted. You wanted that
39:07
big guy, you wanted that over the top personality. You wanted the bigger,
39:10
the bigger the guy, the better was Aw's like, nah, we
39:15
just we'll go with the younger guys or the literal guys that can move around
39:17
the ring. And it's totally flipped what wrestling's about, which is good.
39:22
I like it, but it's just weird because you've got the murder Hawk that
39:27
doesn't get used at all, you know, just the name one of the
39:31
fifteen guys they probably had that you could consider a big guy. So I
39:37
don't see any reason to bring in more big guys that are gonna do nothing
39:40
for you. I mean, look, they've got Turbo Floyd sitting there and
39:45
he'st not world champion yet, so there you go. Oh shoot, shoot,
39:53
that's not what I wanted to say. But keep it clean, you
39:55
know, you know, I mean troublet Floyd's the biggest wrestler of all time.
40:00
Yeah, as far as size and back, they brought back the biggest
40:05
wrestler of all time. Fuego was back there. You go. He came
40:09
back for it was an R eighth match. It was a four way match
40:13
somewhere. Yeah, yeah, he's back. Fuego baby, there you go.
40:21
Well, Alex, what's next on the agenda? Yeah, we had
40:28
n JF. I guess he's the next up for AW being sent to CML.
40:36
Yeah, does anyone know when that's taking place? August second? CMLL
40:42
is doing a one night tournament on July twenty seventh, I believe it is,
40:46
and the winner that tournament gets a shot at Arena Mexico, UH for
40:53
the AW International Championship. Of course, am JF is babbling there and he's
40:59
so rageously. I don't know if you saw the hot pub interview. As
41:01
the only way I can explain it, as he said, he's going down.
41:07
He's to promote the international AW internationally. He is going down uh and
41:14
taking it to the mast morons in Mexico. That's that's his words, not
41:20
mine. You gotta love NJF. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's just just,
41:28
oh, you better watch himself. I heard that they throw, you
41:32
know, certain substances on you in Mexico. And hopefully he doesn't go into
41:37
the crowd and slap someone's phone under their hands like he's hot to do here.
41:43
Oh boy, I'll tell you. But MGF has really played this up
41:46
because he actually made another thing. Uh. He had like a little bit
41:52
of a Twitter squabble with Gabe Kid from New Japan Pro Wrestling where Gaye Gabe
42:00
Kid called basically uh uh MJF a female reproductive part and uh and MGF responded
42:12
saying, I'm sure my boss is going to make me coming down to come
42:16
to Japan and wrestling your little indie fed at Russell Dynasty. So there are
42:22
already planning seeds for that down the line between m JF and Gabe Kid cross
42:29
possibly. So that's I mean, this is what we want from the International
42:34
Championship, Am I right? Yeah? M hmm. Yeah. When was
42:38
the last time we had an international champion defending a internationally well against the international
42:49
wrestlers and in aw but you know in the United States or Canada did a
42:55
bunch when he was the inaugural champion. I think Orange Cassidy defended it in
43:01
Rev Pro in England at one point. Yeah, aside from that, and
43:07
it's definitely been a little while, so I'm I'm really happy mjf's embracing that
43:14
aspect of the title. Yeah, I mean, look, Mercedes Beronet said
43:21
it best. Really what she said she does. She wanted to take AW
43:25
global. This is how you do it. But look, if you're gonna
43:30
put a AW shows on Max internationally, who's gonna watch it? If nobody
43:37
knows or cares? This is how you have to do it. So,
43:45
by the way, England doesn't have Max from what I understand, so won't
43:49
be there. So that and Dan's going to the perfect person to do it
43:54
because he's not really a high liar, so he's going to force these guys
43:59
to put on different style of match. And you know, he said a
44:01
lot of stuff in the past about different indeed, as they called him indies
44:07
fan, So I think he's a perfect heel to do it. Uh so
44:12
we'll see where he can go. But there's a whole list of people down
44:15
there, and see he could he could fight. But it supposed to be
44:17
the winner of the tournament, is it not? Yeah, a tournament.
44:22
I don't even remember who. I saw the poster for it, but I
44:28
don't remember who was in. It's it's a tornado match, right, I
44:34
don't know what type of match it is. To be honest with you,
44:37
I know that there's like six men in the match. I don't know if
44:42
it's I don't know if it's I don't even think it's a single match.
44:44
I think it's a It is a tournament. They've been saying it's a tournament,
44:47
so a single match wouldn't be a tournament, right, Yeah, I
44:53
think I saw that it was a match, so or sorry that it was
44:57
a tournament. So I'm imagining a series of matches all taking place in the
45:01
same night. Yeah, I know stuck a junior temporario ruggedo. I think
45:12
a couple of guys that have been in AW already I believe is yes,
45:19
the Sphinx, I think. I look, you know, I'm proud of
45:23
myself if I can get one of the syllables right in their names. I'm
45:28
just a total idiot when it comes to announcing people's names. So but yet,
45:35
I mean, look, this is a big deal for me, you
45:37
know, because we finally got an international champion who's going to be going international,
45:47
and that's a big deal. I honestly feel that way. I think
45:53
I think it's important that we seem to be AW seems to be putting everybody
45:59
in to They've got Mercedes with the uh new Japan title, You've got uh
46:08
happy Girl in my Brain is dead again, William's got the CMLL title.
46:15
We need to start going to other places with them. Stop having them all
46:20
come to ae W all the time. Have him go to these other places.
46:23
Start spreading it around a little bit, and that way we could do
46:25
that. You know, it's kind of odd that that, you know,
46:30
we seem to they Tony seems to love to get involved in other companies,
46:36
but he doesn't seem to want to take that next step where he's going out
46:40
there and promoting those other companies like you would think he would. Yeah,
46:49
and the hob does that happen. You're gonna let them win? Yeah,
46:52
and you gotta go and you gotta go to them. I'm sorry, it's
46:55
not gonna make I'd be like everybody. I'd be like if if down the
47:00
road a W and wwe did do a forbidden door thing and everybody wants w
47:05
W, or if we did something with Noah or something else and everybody comes
47:09
to ae W. That doesn't get you the exposure you need. You need
47:15
to spread rha. That's why I'm glad when they said the dynasty is gonna
47:16
be in New Japan. There's gonna be in Japan. That's gonna be amazing
47:21
if it works out to the C year anything. You got half of the
47:23
time they come here, the next half we go there. It's gonna be
47:28
huge in Japan for for ae W. But you're right, they got to
47:30
start spreading it around. But at some point you have to have you have
47:37
to trust someone internationally to have that tip have a title for a little bit
47:43
and usually because I don't understand why we can have people's title a titles but
47:47
yet they can't have ours. And I think that's a little selfish in my
47:52
opinion. Oh yeah, it is, and and then and and it and
47:55
it's Hey, I think they blew the perfect opportunity with the whole minas here
48:05
Kawa and Tony Storm thing. They should have done it then they could.
48:07
They had the perfect opportunity, but they could. They could have given it
48:14
to Minashir Kala and then flipped it over to Tony Storm in Japan two weeks
48:17
later. We would have been happened the same story as we are right now,
48:22
exactly. Actually, you could have took that a little bit further because
48:25
then you could have really had uh Mariah make a cause meanither the title or
48:31
whatever. It had a long opportunities. But you don't always get. That's
48:37
the thing that that that that people like us, that that the coach,
48:40
the booker, the armchair bookers don't always see though. There's always different things
48:46
that we don't see that keep us from doing them doing the things we think
48:49
they should. Yeah, about a visa issue, you never know. Yeah,
48:54
Baby Mariah May and Tony Storm don't have visas to go to Japan right
48:59
now, and that's what prevented it. And but Mina shir cow obviously has
49:04
no problems getting in the United States, so they still could have done it.
49:07
Let Mina shir Kawa go to Stardom or New Japan even and defend the
49:14
aw Women's World Championship and win a couple of matches there, then come back
49:19
and lose. You know, It's it's one of those things you've got to
49:22
take the you've got to take a AAW International and you've got to make it
49:27
meaningful. You can't just go someplace to have a match that you're going to
49:30
always win. You've got to make it. You gotta perhap them seed it
49:35
out as simple as that, Does anybody actually believe right now? Putting you
49:44
on the spot, does anybody actually believe that whoever the winner the CMLL tournament
49:47
is on August second, when MGF goes to Arena Mexico, does anybody believe
49:54
that he's gonna lose the International championship there? Now, the thing we have
50:00
to remember is it's sort of twofold. Is one, their companies want their
50:06
belts on AW television because of the amount of eyes that watch that program every
50:08
week. And two for Rena Mexico, it's not really about the it's it's
50:14
not only about the believability that someone might beat MJF. It's that Jf's advertises
50:21
being at the show, and he's a really big deal. So you know,
50:25
for them, it's a box office thing as much as it is anything
50:29
else. Yeah, And when they had like Blackpool Combat Club come to Reno
50:36
Mexico, they sold a lot of tickets just off that fact, YEP in
50:46
America, And then we always compare it to WWE ratings, don't ratings are
50:52
spectacular for network television. In the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four,
50:57
a lot of companies clamoring to get their titles on aw television. So seven
51:00
hundred thousand odds people can see it every week. Yeah, that's just seven
51:07
hundred thousand American people, exactly. They do another one hundred thousand in Canada,
51:13
they do numbers in the UK, and probably more people are watching on
51:19
streaming illegally, you know, watching YouTube clips after the fact. So it
51:24
is a lot of eyeballs really in the grand scheme of things. Yeah,
51:30
I mean, but still, you know, I stand by my point and
51:34
we'll go I'll just go use the minasure kind of thing. Would you rather
51:37
see Tony Storm against Mina sure Kawa on Dynamite, uh, fighting Tony Storm
51:49
fighting to get her title back from Mina sure Kala on Dynamite? Or would
51:52
you rather see world Champion Tony Storm fight lmk, you know, in in
52:02
a open challenge match or something. I mean, you want to book a
52:07
match that's going going to get the eyes on it, you know. So
52:14
that's that's the point. But look, before we wrap things up, I
52:20
didn't want to mention a couple of little news stories that popped up. One
52:25
is that Melissa Santos has been hired by AW as a backstage personality and ring
52:31
announcer Santos was. She was in TNA for quite a while. She was
52:39
part of the Loocher Underground TV show where it was very popular there. And
52:45
he's actually the wife of Brian Cage. So it's nice having another person in
52:55
the aw family, an extended family. We got a lot of backstage personalities.
53:00
Rene the Kent is married to John Moxley. You've got now Melissa Santos
53:07
married to Brian Cage. You have Alicia Taut who is the girlfriend of MJF.
53:16
So yeah, I mean you've got a lot of a lot of families.
53:22
What was that you're breaking up? Isn't one of them? D's daughter?
53:30
Yeah, stepdaughter? Yeah, and she's dating a big bill. I
53:36
think they're married now, Okay, yeah, yeah. So it's interesting how
53:40
the backstage personalities are all well, not all of them. What about our
53:45
Katie Aurora, the newer one. Uh, I don't know if she's dating
53:53
her or in a relationship. It seems like a pre pre requirement. Who
53:58
are you dating? Uh? Nobody? Okay, Well we can't hire okay,
54:05
yeah, I mean you don't want to just have nepotism hires. You
54:07
want to hire people on merit, so hopefully he's good at being a backstage
54:13
interviewer. I won't judge her just because, but you know, you can't
54:19
keep doing it too much because then it starts to look kind of sketchy.
54:23
All right, So before we go, I want to ask that anybody watch
54:28
the Hologram mat was good. Oh yeah, that is a good mess.
54:35
Yeah, I saw clips of it. They brought out Gringo Loco, who
54:37
is like the greatest guy to take Luca moves in, at least in America,
54:47
so they had him doing the match. So of course he made everything
54:51
look great because you can stand on him. He can spin you around for
54:54
like, you know, five minutes at a time. Yeah, yeah,
55:00
I mean, and they I think a Loco has had several matches with Arabiz
55:07
who is now Hologram, in the past, so they've worked together, and
55:12
it was important that they had Hologram debut against somebody that he's worked with in
55:17
the past. The other person that I know of that he worked with in
55:21
the past is Ray Phoenix, and he was also on the show. But
55:25
hey, to say the Hologram was impressive would be an understatement. A lot
55:30
of people had a lot of positive things to say about Hologram. Let me
55:37
put it this way. He wasn't a Shockmaster by any means, shape orformance.
55:43
Now listen, I like this chunk Master made the best entest ever.
55:47
Yeah that I mean that is all. Most people only get fifteen minutes.
55:53
He's gotten the Bears for twenty some years now, so very long career.
56:00
Oh my gosh, ah, who was what's that talk boat? Yeah?
56:08
Yeah, John wasn't it? That's yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah,
56:21
he he's he passed away a few years ago. Uh. I probably at
56:25
his death, Betty was like, god, thank god. He probably said,
56:30
I swear because he would have never people are gonna be showing that clip
56:35
of Shockmaster coming. What would he come through a brick wall wall? They
56:44
didn't. It was they put like a two by four along the bottom that
56:49
he didn't see because he had a mask that barely had eye holes, and
56:53
he just he just dove right through it. I'll tell you what is just
57:01
Shockmasters. I think he's still alive. I'm pretty sure Shockmaster's still alive.
57:08
Yeah he is, Fred Otman. He's sixty seven. He's still going.
57:14
Oh maybe maybe it's though, right, Yeah, And they should hire him
57:20
young gosh, they should, they should bring him in for one show.
57:23
Bring him for one show. Is a shockmaster Darby Allen Coffin, drop him
57:30
or something before he gets through the you know something mean as part of the
57:34
learning tree. Oh god, you know, Like that's the thing with wrestling
57:39
is even when it's the worst ever, that's still no Remember what's that the
57:51
gobbledy gooker that had to be the worst thing ever. I don't even tell
57:57
what that that is? Cook the kid. I love that. Yeah,
58:07
there was a giant egg and then for Thanksgiving, I guess a giant turkey
58:14
dressed person came out of it and he was all right, I'm so glad
58:20
I missed that the Survivors he appeared or something like that. I think it
58:23
was. Oh boy, they made and they made, they made that like
58:28
the biggest thing that was ever gonna happen, And it was a damn Every
58:34
week it was on, it was like there was interviews done next to it,
58:38
and then it started happening and it was that big bird and I thought,
58:42
oh my god, So that like the best that was probably the best
58:45
sell job ever done. That was try to treat it seriously, beautile days
58:57
it danced around and stuff, and yeah, well I we're talking about Big
59:05
Bird on an aw podcast. We've come full circle. I'll tell you what.
59:12
Like, Yeah, you hate the learning tree Holston. But one day,
59:15
twenty years from now, you're going to be looking back reminiscent. Twenty
59:20
years from now, I plan on be a dead. Let's just face it.
59:22
I'm a man now. Maybe in your hospital bed here, your family
59:28
will be around you, and you'll be talking about Chris Jericho. Yeah,
59:30
they're gonna be like, oh my god, not only is he dying,
59:34
he's delirious too. Eddie and Jack will come visit you. Is the Sockbasters
59:40
still alive? I can see it now. I can see me on my
59:45
deathbed. You know. It's just like I can't believe Julia Hart's fifty years
59:51
old. Though this took an interesting turn, Oh jeez, but anyway,
1:00:00
when she was only eighteen, Oh my god, but wow, twenty you
1:00:07
got to make twenty eight years if you want to. They'll be around when
1:00:12
she's fifty. That's the goal. That, that's the goal. I want
1:00:15
to see Julia Hart turned fifty. That I could die in peace, you
1:00:21
know, but I want to be buried with a shock Master mask. That's
1:00:24
that's I got to put that in my will, not in a shop,
1:00:30
but I would. I want to go like next to me, like it
1:00:35
fell off, pumped in your arm. Whatever. But anyway, we're gonna
1:00:42
wrap this up right now because we're just we get goofy at the end of
1:00:47
these podcasts. I'm sorry we do. Uh So anyway, we'll be back
1:00:52
tomorrow night with all the talk where we will review Blood of Gods. I'm
1:00:59
kind of looking for I'm hoping that we see some surprises, you know,
1:01:02
because the card is just a other than the Blood and Guts match and the
1:01:08
hakaras Sheeta and Britt Baker match. There's really nothing that stands out, but
1:01:14
they can still be good, you know what I mean. It's just nothing
1:01:17
that stands out like, oh, that's going to be good. And I
1:01:21
hope that the Blood and Guts match is actually good because I don't know,
1:01:29
somebody said it or it just doesn't have that feel to it this time.
1:01:34
I don't know why. I guess it's because they didn't really build a big
1:01:37
story going into it, But that doesn't mean it won't be a great match.
1:01:43
Last few times, it's been like a blood beewed, and this time
1:01:45
it feels like a man type of thing. I just I just think,
1:01:50
you know, besides the hangman's swer dynamic of it, I don't I don't
1:01:53
see much into it. So who do you see getting thrown off the top
1:01:58
of the cage for each team? For each team the derby of course?
1:02:07
Well, yeah, yeah, he's gonna throw himself off because we will.
1:02:13
You'll get thrown on Max Caster, maybe pretty teammate w What about on the
1:02:21
team Elite. Yeah, it's gotta be Jack, that's true. It would
1:02:30
be cruel if you know, Okay, Kazuchika Okada. I can see him
1:02:37
standing out the side of the cage and yelling, bitch, Jesse falls,
1:02:44
Oh my god, wow, we will pay you never know it can happen,
1:02:53
But we'll find out tomorrow during AW Dynamite, Blood and Guts, and
1:02:59
we'll talk about it it on All Lead Talk for the a W Fan podcast
1:03:04
team. This is Kelson is Alex. Good night, everybody, maby y'all.
1:03:10
Bye, Eddie Kingston, wherever you are. I think he said his beads It