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Double Feature · Brainwaves

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of two shot
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Tuesday. Barry Nixon along with the one
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and only Jason Riley. And of course, one of our
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favorites of all time, Rob Peets, the movie guy.
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He's back to discuss not one but two movies.
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And we're going to get into wow back rooms and the newest
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offering from Steven Spielberg, Disclosure Day, Rob.
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A little indie director? Yep, yeah.
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Spielberg OK, got it. Yeah.
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Yeah, never. Yeah, he's fairly new, Fairly
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new. But we'll, you know, we'll see.
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We'll see. Yeah.
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OK. Well, what do you say we kick us
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off, Jay with the shots for the evening?
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Why don't you get us going there?
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Yeah, I have got in honor of two movies, I've put 2 great things
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together, kool-aid and water together in one glass.
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Orange flavored Barry, what have you got?
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Well, I'm actually having some alcohol tonight, Jay, so I'm
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going with the Bushmills. 12 year.
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Nice. Yeah, Robert.
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Yeah, I'm drinking glass of just pure, unadulterated.
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It's vodka. Nice.
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It's just pure vodka. It's all it's going down.
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I love it. I like that Mad Men style glass
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as well. Or Tumblr.
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That's a that's a good looking Tumblr right there.
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That's a Tumblr. Cheers.
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Cheers, Chin. Chin.
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Mercy. All right, let's start with
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Backrooms, Rob. This was one we saw at the time
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of this recording probably 2 or so weeks ago, but we saw it
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because it was getting getting great reviews.
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People were talking about it. A phenomenon.
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You might. It wasn't a bit of a phenomenon.
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Yeah. Rob, you, you know a little bit
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more about the background of this person who kind of came out
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of nowhere and then suddenly a 24 gave him a motion picture of
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his own. So why do you take it from
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there? Yeah, it's a guy named Kane
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Parsons who went on on YouTube. He's named Kane Pixels.
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So he's a, he was like a 16 year old guy who was, you know,
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interested in, in using Blender to create 3D places and stuff.
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And I think he was kind of like inspired by reading about this
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lore of the backrooms in, in places like 4 Chan and corners
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of the Internet where, you know, things happen, people talk about
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weird stuff. Creepypastas come to be.
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Yes, exactly. Creepypastas happen, Yeah.
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No, Jay, never say that cat. Yeah, you're, you're a, you're a
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boomer for, for love, love. Yeah, Boomer for love.
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OK, so backrooms 3D art. What?
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No, Yeah. So he basically just was
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inspired by this kind of like Internet based lore about these
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like office spaces that are empty but they just keep going
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forever. Like you basically like you
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would, you would kind of walk through your wall and end up in
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this whole place. You'd fall into your wall or
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fall through when that. Happens.
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Yeah, at the office that would happen.
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You're. Basically it's called no
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clipping. It's it's like in the old the
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old video games, you would you could no clip yourself through
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walls. So it's kind of what that is.
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OK. And yeah, So what we're learning
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today, we're learning. I'm gonna go.
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I've never heard of no clipping, but I'm gonna.
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Go a little slower. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Please do. Yeah, so basically it works.
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Yeah, but yeah. There's this isn't really a game
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thing, it's just lore and it includes game like stuff in it.
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But anyway, the idea is he ended up it's general lore.
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Yeah, OK, got it. There's nothing really in the
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backrooms except for the rooms themselves, unless you explore
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there might be. Now video games have been made
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of the backrooms in which they put creatures in.
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But Kane Pixels or Kane Parsons, what he ended up doing at 1617
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years old was creating these incredibly realistic looking 3D
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environments and then attaching almost like a like a old
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fashioned video camera to the, to the camera section.
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So it looks like it's first person perspective.
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It actually looks like you're in these real, like they look,
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everything looks real in the movie.
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So it kind of in, in his short movies that he did for YouTube.
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Got it. OK.
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And this is as a as a teenager and he, he was just killing it
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and making these amazing, cool videos.
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And I think AA24 saw that and they, they were quite popular.
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I'd watch them ages ago. I thought they were great.
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And I was like, this guy should be doing other things.
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But so they gave him a a deal. You just make a backroom's movie
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fly toys. Yeah, it's all Yeah, it's all.
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Yeah. So he did a movie based on that,
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and they actually built sets this time.
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It wasn't all CG. It was all real sets and.
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You said it was a 30,000 square foot set, in fact, and
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apparently some of the actors did become lost at points during
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the shooting because it was just such a massive real set.
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Like Rob said, 30,000 square foot.
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So that's pretty big. Nice.
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Yeah. And it's it's kind of a
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oppressive because you're in this place.
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It just never ends. But anyways, it's a fascinating
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sort of like Internet lore thing that that has become an
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interesting movie. And the movie doesn't you know,
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you think, what are you going to do with that movie except for
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walk around the back rooms and kind of be surprised when things
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are around the potentially around the corner?
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Well, they ended up adding a story to it and giving, giving
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it a little bit of AI would say like the, the main theme is, is
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sort of not being able to let go of, of trauma that's happened to
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you and how that translates. So basically the, the, the, the
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main guy in the movie is I believe his wife has left him
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and all that. So he kind of runs this
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furniture store on his own and it's, he's not really happy
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where he is. He thinks he's OK, but he's
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actually not. And the backrooms kind of
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reflect that. He falls and he clips into the
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back rooms through the basement of of his furniture shop.
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Does he go to the backroom to get stock for somebody?
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Like is there a reason for him to go?
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I'll be in the back and he goes to get like a a lamp.
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So it's not the actual, not even OK of the office.
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You wish you it was. It would be so much easier to
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follow Jay if it were like that. Just one more thing.
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This furniture store is like a bad boy furniture.
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OK, this is the discount furniture shop.
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This isn't some place you go in and you you're looking at an
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armoire and someone's offering you some champagne.
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No, it's not like that at all. It's like everything is slashed.
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This is 50% off. That's 70% off.
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And it's in the back. That's what I would think I
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would go to. The there's.
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Things in the back. It's in the basement.
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It's in the basement. In the basement.
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He flips through the wall in the basement.
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Yeah. And, and and he just discovers
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this whole area and kind of is able to report that to he.
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He talks to someone, I guess his therapist basically tries to
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convince her it's a real thing. You know, she doesn't really
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believe my guest type thing. And it kind of the movie
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develops from there. It's a, it's a cool, very
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interesting kind of psychological thing with
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somebody horror stuff that happens as well.
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So for sure, if you like that kind of stuff, it's it's
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definitely worth checking into for sure.
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Barry, what do you think? Cuz I want to make sure we get
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to our second movie as well. So I want to hear your take on
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back rooms. Yeah, I thought it was
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interesting. Unlike Rob, I had no context for
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this at all, Jay, other than what Rob had told me.
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I wasn't familiar with this kid. I didn't know anything about it.
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So I just kind of went in naked and I was happy that I did.
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Yeah, I, I did them to wear clothing.
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Yeah, I asked them. It was freezing in there, man.
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Yeah. We, we sat on these seats that
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were right below the air conditioning.
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So we were. Oh.
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Yeah, it was a frightened turtle up front, but then, OK, doesn't
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the nip. Sore out on that?
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Point of it. Oh, they were glad.
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Cutting glass, Jay. OK.
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All right. So at some point now, did they
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go in a backroom? I'm a little confused about
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that. There was an actual like did
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they go put through a curtain or through?
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Was it like a closing door? I think.
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I think you're thinking when you're thinking backrooms.
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I think you're thinking of the backroom of a building.
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That's not what this is. What is it the?
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Backroom of an old video rental place where they keep the pornos
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you know behind the curtain you're.
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Big. You're big on the pornos today.
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Yeah. I'm fixated.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this, this is about
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literally disappearing through a wall and reappearing on the
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other side in a a series of connected corridors and rooms
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that look like an empty office space or an office space that
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has furniture in it. But the furniture could be stuck
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to the wall. It can be on an angle in the
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floor. It's all a.
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Big pile in the middle of the room.
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Backrooms, why didn't you say so?
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Now I. I thought I did.
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Maybe I'm am I, I'm I don't know.
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I let's guess I need to work on on mine English.
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Yeah, this thing is this thing's a hit.
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Let's get a star rating for both of you, Rob.
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Star rating on Backrooms. I'm doing it, I'm giving it a
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I'm, I'm going 4 out of five. I really enjoyed it.
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I think there's a lot of potential for for this guy, for
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this young guy to make better movies.
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And it was a good movie, so. Yeah, Barry.
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I would agree. Four out of five, I enjoyed it.
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It was a little more thinking that I typically like to do in a
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movie because it, by the end of it, I wasn't entirely sure what
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I saw. But what I did see was
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interesting. And there was some genuine
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scares, including. I don't want to give it away,
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but there's this one sequence where you you get Vertigo in the
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theater. It's just really wild.
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But all the while that you're worried about falling over, you
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got something chasing you on top of that.
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So that was that got the heart going.
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Yeah. That's frustrating when that
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happens. It's a whole yeah.
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So it's terrible. It's terrible.
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OK, all right, back rooms, go see it.
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Probably have already. It's been out for a little
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while. Check it out.
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It's great. Let's do shot #2 and then we're
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going to move on to our double, our second movie of our double
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feature that I haven't seen. It's always rewarding for me.
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Yeah. All right, Rob, what have you
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got for shot #2 to start us off? Well, I'm going back to what I
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said was vodka, but it's really just water.
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I'm, I'm a, I'm a wimp when it comes to this stuff these days.
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So it's I'm just drinking water. All right.
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Attaboy, Barry. I'm doing the opposite of being
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a wimp today. I'm going full in with the booze
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and so that the J or the yeah, Bushmills.
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I almost got it wrong. Bushmills 12 year.
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All right. And I've got the lemon squeezy,
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not lemon squeezy, the Kool-aid orange drink squeezy with ice.
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Here's to you guys. Chin, chin so watery.
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So the next movie we saw, Disclosure Day, the latest from
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newcomer Steven Spielberg. And I had said to Rob on the
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walk over, I had read somewhere that people were saying this is
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his best work ever. I said that to Rob.
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I didn't even get the full sentence.
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Out he goes. Hello, Opie.
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It's not really his best work. He can't be.
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It's like he's been around too long.
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He's got a ton of great work. Yeah.
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This might be one of the ones that this might be.
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I don't really, you know what I'm going to wait for Rob to to
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to say. But where does this sit among
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his sci-fi movies? Well, that's because this is
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very different than any of the other stuff that he's done.
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But Rob, take it away. Yeah, it's kind of a mix of it
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has elements of ET in it. Remember, you know, sort of like
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the, the sort of like the the unknown FBI type people that are
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chasing the, the kids and all that stuff.
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It has that element in it. But you actually kind of dive a
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little bit more into that and who those guys might be.
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Yeah. As well as a.
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Bit of like. Sorry, encounters.
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Ed Snowden. There's like an Ed Snowden kind
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of character that does like a yeah, stealing a bunch of files.
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He wants to release them to the general public.
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And there's a couple different stories going on in this.
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Yeah, and it did. It definitely reminded me a bit
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of close Encounters as well with the sort of the objective of the
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movie and I, I probably don't want to give away too much.
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There is definitely stuff to spoil, especially as you get
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closer to the end, but it's basically a guy, the Snowden
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type character who is working for a company and he has all
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these secrets and the secrets are basically a complete
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absolute evidence and proof of, of alien life having been around
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for about 50-60 years on Earth. And, and he he has teamed up
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with someone else who has gone rogue and they are planning to
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release that information, hence disclosure day.
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And then other things happen. Emily Blunt's character comes in
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and she she's a reporter that works in San Francisco, like a
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weather reporter, and she kind of gets pulled into it without
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knowing it that she's going to. She kind of has AI.
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Don't really want to spoil it too much because it's such a new
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movie, but yeah, there's there's like a.
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Visitor A Yeah, there's a visitor comes to to see her.
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And then after that everything changes for her, including she
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suddenly is able to speak Russian.
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So that's one thing. It was kind of nice.
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Yeah, she's able to dive into your history.
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She knows exactly like she can kind of look at you and
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understand who you are and she'll like say, look, you know,
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you might want to, you know, maybe tonight's the night you
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put out the garbage because you haven't done it in a while and
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you're, you know, you're, you're whatever your your, your husband
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or your whatever is not going to be happy about that.
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So just she's able to like tune into the moment with a person
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and kind of like in Russian, pull them apart.
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Not well. Maybe in.
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One of her skills? Probably.
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In Russia. OK, maybe in Russian.
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Yeah, yeah, if she was in Russia.
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Is this if you can say, is this like a we've discovered aliens
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have crashed here? Or is it like we've discovered
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aliens are living among us here? It's a crash thing.
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It's Roswell. They're not all the it's all the
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history we kind of know and we've seen, but they've added
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hooks into what if that was all real kind of thing.
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Yeah, what if it including like some pretty good looking video
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that looks like it was shot back in the day of like, you know,
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the Roswell crash and them working to retrieve the alien
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occupants. And you gotta get to see that.
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And it's it's good. But then also like towards the
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end of it, you're seeing some images that are pretty
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disturbing too. Like Rob, I think you've got a
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little, you got a. Bit Misty there.
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Yeah. Because it was.
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It was. It was kind of beautifully
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handled. Yeah, it was, yeah.
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I mean, when you think about the, you know, when, when you
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know the context of why you're seeing this stuff and you
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realize that, see, I don't want to give it away, but when you
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realize the context, it, it ends up being kind of sad in a way.
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It's not, it's not a good thing. It's kind of a it's a bad thing.
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What, what we've kind of done, right.
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So in in this fictional version of of Earth.
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Right. Yeah, maybe totally full aliens,
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who knows. I don't want to guess.
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You want to like ET like little ETS.
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Maybe not. Quite full aliens, but.
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Yeah, maybe not quite there, but like maybe like close Encounter
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style aliens or yeah. They're not.
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They're not trying to annihilate.
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It's not like Mars Attacks where they are clearly just trying to
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vaporize all in human life. It's not like that.
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There is another element too. That's kind of cool.
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Yeah. There's another element too,
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where there's like some psychic phenomenon where one of the
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characters that is trying to chase down this rogue as well as
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the Ed Stone character, because you know, obviously there's a
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faction that doesn't want this information ever to see the
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light of day. So this guy is has the ability
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then to just drop in. They call it drop it.
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Is it dropping in or dive in, dive in on somebody's mind.
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And so he's able to kind of like, appear in people's minds
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and like, try to manipulate even their, like, hand gestures and
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all kinds. Of stuff, stuff he has to.
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He has to but. It's very draining for him.
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And he has to have an alien object in in his hand to do
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that. And those those objects play a
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larger part in the grand story once you get there, but you
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don't know what they are originally.
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You just know that it's an alien object and he it's who who
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played that guy again, It was the the, the.
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Yeah, it's Colin 1st, and there were a couple times, it was more
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than once that Rob wanted to see the guy's head get exploded.
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You're like explode that guy's head because he's just not a
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good guy at all. He's like an absolute scumbag
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and you want this guy to have his head blown out?
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Does he? I don't know.
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You gotta go see the movie. Yeah, you gotta see the.
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Movie Was this movie based on a book or is it an original story
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by Steven Spielberg or somebody? That original David Kappen and
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and and Spielberg, Yeah. OK, very cool.
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And they, they've done a lot of great, they've done a lot of
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great movies together. So, you know, they they've done
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some good scripts. Where would you put this Rob on
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the and then I'll go to Barry for this on the kind of Barry
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was asking him in like how it ranks and Steven Spielberg's
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sci-fi movies. I'll even expand that to just
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Steven Spielberg films. Where would you put this?
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Yeah, it's, it's not going to be up at the top.
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It's mid mid mid pack. But not bottom like not one of
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the lower ones sometimes. They.
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Trend down there, definitely not bottom as they get older.
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Barry, how about yourself? Well, in terms of the, you know,
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where does it sit in his whole catalog?
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I agree with Rob. It's definitely not the top.
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I don't know who wrote it's. This is Spielberg's best work.
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I don't know. I mean, that person maybe has
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never seen a Spielberg movie. Maybe this is the first one.
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So I don't know, I mean, it looks, it looks great.
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It looks like a Spielberg movie. It's definitely very incredibly
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competent. It looks amazing.
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Oh, and also John Williams came out of retirement to score that.
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And I, I noticed it that that's absolutely John Williams.
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I'm like, I didn't know he did. He did the score for this.
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So that that that was cool. So the score was great.
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Everything was like what you would expect a modern version of
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a Steven Spielberg flick. It just didn't seem to have the
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kind of depth that, you know, even close Encounters had or
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something like that where you're, you're on a journey.
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This is definitely a journey. This is like a chase movie kind
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of thing, but I just don't think it had quite.
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And the ending was maybe a little divisive.
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I I didn't mind it. I understand the message, but
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I'm not going to say what the message is.
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But there's a message at the end and it it's an important
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message, but don't understand why people.
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Yes, that's exactly what happens.
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Yeah, it's a big sign they'll do this.
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Everyone, all the entire cast break, break from like the
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roles, and they just put up a thing and don't litter.
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And that's litter. Yeah, put the litter.
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In its place. And hate, yeah, that kind of
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stuff. I recently, I recently saw
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Steven Spielberg directing. Yeah, he directed the first ever
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episode of the regular Colombo series.
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So I own that on DVD and it was really well done really.
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You could see, you could see brilliances of Steven Spielberg
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as he was very young and he had cut his break, but you could
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just see some cool stuff. So yeah, he did.
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This first. I wonder if that was.
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I wonder if it was after or before.
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Before Jaws, No. Dual.
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Dual Dual was the dual was his first movie which was ATV movie.
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It was about a car that just truck that just relentlessly
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chases. Well, this was 1960. 9 I think
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he did this Columbia, OK. Right.
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This was this was before dual, yeah.
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OK, it's. Probably why he got dual.
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It's probably yeah. And then he did Jaws just what
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he was after that. OK, let's get star rating on
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this one. Let's start with you, Barry.
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I want to hear your star rating on this.
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Yeah, I enjoyed it at the runtime, though was a little
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bloated at 2:30. Yeah.
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So I feel like it maybe could have done a little bit more time
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in the editing room, maybe 10 minutes.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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And I can't really off the top of my head tell you where those
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trimmings should have taken place because I'm not an editor.
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But what I can tell you is it probably as an audience member,
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it could have been a little tighter perhaps, but you know,
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whatever, 33.5 out of five, it's worth looking at.
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It's it's not a bad movie. And like Rob said, it is
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beautifully shot. It does have some humor as well
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that's in there. Wyatt Russell Kurt Russell, His
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son is in it, so he provides a little of a Comic Relief.
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Nice. You know, and not all the jokes
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land, but it's but none like Spielberg isn't known for that.
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Like he will put humor in a movie, but not everything is
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going to be a bullseye. Yeah, so.
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Well, I would say the ad, they could have just edited out the
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don't litter part at the end. That would have been a good
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solid because that was that was 10 minutes of the movie.
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That was insane. Yeah.
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It was a bit much. Probably just get rid of that
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and I'm going to go with 3.5 as well.
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That's exactly what I thought about 70%.
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It was, you know, above average film, a good Spielberg film, but
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not as best by any stretch. It's worth watching.
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I mean, it's worth seeing and I think there's a good message in
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it, whether or not it pertains to anything to do with today's
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reality. It's a whole different ball game
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and a whole different story so. OK I love it when you 2 sync up
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on both movies. So backroom.
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This is a rarity. I got to say, this is pretty
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rare. Yeah, exactly.
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The back rooms, plural and disclosure Day.
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Check them out if you haven't heard of them.
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I don't know what planet you're living on, but check them out.
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Rob, always a pleasure to see you.
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You're going to be back here in just a few weeks, I believe, to
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talk about Supergirl, so stay tuned for that.
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We're looking forward to that. And Barry, always a pleasure to
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see you and your World Cup beer Stein that you've got there.
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You can drink us a trophy. Yeah, drink us out, Barry, Drink
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us out. I'll be happy to all.
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Right, bye everyone. See you.