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Did the Church Replace Israel? | John Metzger | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast everyone, Mona Gonzalez here in studio
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Speaker 2: with John Metzger, and we are going to be discussing
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Speaker 2: a fun topic which I think is an important topic today.
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Speaker 2: John has written a book called Poking God's Eye, a
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Speaker 2: theological and historical view of anti Semitism based on the
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Speaker 2: Blessings and Cursings of Genesis twelve three.
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Speaker 3: And welcome John, Thank you.
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Speaker 2: And John has been in ministry for a long time
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Speaker 2: and in various ways and capacities and has worked with
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Speaker 2: Aril Ministries and doctor Ronald Fuckenbaum. And one of the
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Speaker 2: things that we want to talk today is John. This
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Speaker 2: is kind of I'll give you a little background. This
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Speaker 2: is appreciate you being in studio, but I thought this
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Speaker 2: would be perfect to have you here to discuss some
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Speaker 2: of these because a few months ago there was an
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Speaker 2: interaction between Tucker Carlson and Senator Ted Cruz. And so
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Speaker 2: for those that might not have seen it, they went
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Speaker 2: back and forth and Tucker had asked Senator Ted Creus, well,
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Speaker 2: why should we be supporting the modern nation of Israel?
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Speaker 2: And it was kind of a setup but that's fine.
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Speaker 2: You know, again, I don't know anybody's heart. So however,
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Speaker 2: it worked. But Senator Ted Cruz responded and said, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, Tucker, when I was a kid and I
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Speaker 2: was in Sunday School, there was a verse in the
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Speaker 2: Bible those who bless is or will be blessed, and
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Speaker 2: those who curses or will be cursed. And so Tucker
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Speaker 2: immediately began to challenge him on that Sunday School theology
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Speaker 2: being connected with foreign policy. Okay, modern American foreign policy,
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Speaker 2: and yes, he you know again, his tone was a
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Speaker 2: little aggressive, but he did ask some reasonable questions about
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Speaker 2: what that looks like, what that means in practical ways,
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Speaker 2: and again, you wrote a whole book on what that
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Speaker 2: looks like in practical terms. So but what I want
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Speaker 2: to do here in the front is Tucker has mentioned
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Speaker 2: on other occasions and that you see this idea of Zionism,
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Speaker 2: and whether it's secular Zionism or even Christian Zionism, it
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Speaker 2: gets a dirty word. And so I kind of want
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Speaker 2: to lay the foundation here because what I did is
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Speaker 2: right after that, a few months ago, I had done
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Speaker 2: a response to Kirk Cameron, and people can find that
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Speaker 2: on our YouTube channel where I gave a response to
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Speaker 2: Kirk Cameron's comments about the Tucker Carlson interview, and in
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Speaker 2: that one I went through Romans two and Romans nine
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Speaker 2: and eleven, talking about who is a real Jewish person
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Speaker 2: and who is a son of Abraham, etc. But we're
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Speaker 2: going to talk a little bit about that later. But
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Speaker 2: let me just give a definition of Zionism so that
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Speaker 2: we can all be on the same page.
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Speaker 3: And so isn't necessarily religious.
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Speaker 2: Theodore Hertzel, way back in eighteen ninety seven began this idea,
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Speaker 2: but Zionism is understood to me.
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Speaker 3: Let me say this.
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Speaker 2: I'm quoting this from doctor Tommy ICE's book on Christian Zionism,
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Speaker 2: and he said, Zionism is understood to me in a
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Speaker 2: modern Jewish movement aiming at resettlement in the Land of
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Speaker 2: Israel and the revival of an independent Jewish nation. So
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Speaker 2: that's the secular definition. There's no mention of the Bible,
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Speaker 2: there's no mention of theology, there's no mention of it.
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Speaker 2: It was started as a secular movement. Okay, well, then
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Speaker 2: doctor Ice writes, Christian Zionism quote is a religious belief
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Speaker 2: among some gentiles of Christian faith. That the return of
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Speaker 2: the Jews to the Holy Land and the restoration of
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Speaker 2: a physical ethnic Israel is in accordance with biblical prophecy. Furthermore,
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Speaker 2: it is a motivated, biblically based religious conviction that the
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Speaker 2: Jewish people are still God's chosen people and are entitled
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Speaker 2: to possess the land of Israel for all time. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so now that we have these out there, what's your
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Speaker 2: immediate thoughts on either one of those definitions.
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Speaker 1: I would agree with them. You know, Zionism started what
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Speaker 1: was that back in the eighteen eighties with the first
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Speaker 1: ali a of Russian Jews to the land with a
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Speaker 1: hope of going back, going back home. And I have
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Speaker 1: no disagreement with the definition of Zionism is a deal
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Speaker 1: well that Tommy I quoted there, or Christian Zionism. I'm
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Speaker 1: a Christian Zionist and I support Israel. I don't support
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Speaker 1: everything they do, but I support the people.
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Speaker 3: That's really the key, because this is where.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I discussed in Romans nine
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Speaker 2: is and this is the key that they are still
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Speaker 2: God's chosen people. Because in Romans nine, Paul is describing
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Speaker 2: his brothers according to the flesh he's very clear these
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Speaker 2: are his physical ethnic brothers. Paul says, I'm a Jew,
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Speaker 2: I'm a Hebrew, right Philippines three and other passages. But
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Speaker 2: he says, to them belong still the present tense, the covenants,
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Speaker 2: the promises, all the way down to the Oracles, going
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Speaker 2: down to the Messiah. And so it didn't say past tense.
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Speaker 2: And Paul's writing this, you know, in roughly fifty seven
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Speaker 2: a d. They're in rebellion against the Messiah. They killed
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Speaker 2: the Messiah. Right, So, but even in the midst of
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Speaker 2: all that, the church had been founded. And he's writing this,
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Speaker 2: and he's so sorrowful about his brothers, but he didn't say, well,
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Speaker 2: you know what, because of their sin, they've been replaced.
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Speaker 2: They no longer they don't the promises don't belong to
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Speaker 2: them anymore. They've been transferred. None of that is in Romans,
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Speaker 2: that's right, none of it.
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Speaker 1: In fact, none of it isn't any of his epistles.
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Speaker 3: And that's the key is that that.
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Speaker 1: Look, that's what bothers me with people reading in their biases.
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Speaker 1: You know, That's why you know, I always say I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in thus Seth the Lord. I'm not interested in
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Speaker 1: a biased, whether it be theological or otherwise. I want
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Speaker 1: to know what God said. I'm not interested in scholars,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not interested in Tucker Carlson even, you know,
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Speaker 1: I simply want to know what he said, and I
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Speaker 1: take him at his word. I take it literally. I
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Speaker 1: won't spiritualize, I won't allegorize, and even find even when
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Speaker 1: God allegorize the scripture, he gives it the interpretation. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't let scholars do it.
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Speaker 2: No, it's it's very frustrating, and I think, you know,
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Speaker 2: going back to this, this this definition again, two things
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Speaker 2: that the Jewish people who were scattered really in seventy
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Speaker 2: eighty and then one thirty five eight with the Barcockfer revolt,
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Speaker 2: they were scattered into the nations, and they began coming
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Speaker 2: back really in the late eighteen hundreds, and of course
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Speaker 2: the nation was publicly founded in nineteen forty eight May fourteenth.
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Speaker 2: So the idea is that, oh, the Christian Zionis idea
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Speaker 2: is pretty simple. It just simply says, that's a prophetic
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Speaker 2: development based on many passages of scripture which we're not
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Speaker 2: going to go into. And secondly, there's still God's shows
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Speaker 2: some people and the promises in the land, which you've
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Speaker 2: written a lot about, you know, the land, the seed,
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Speaker 2: in the blessing from Genesis twelve, all those those outworkings
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Speaker 2: of the Abrahamic Covenant are still true. Now, what what
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Speaker 2: does it not mean?
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Speaker 3: Okay? Does it mean?
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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that I need to support everything that
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Speaker 2: Israel does. That I don't need to agree with their
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Speaker 2: governmental policies of lgb DQ and other things. I don't
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Speaker 2: need to agree with everything that in Yeah, who does
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's let's talk about that.
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Speaker 1: It's to me. It's not a blank check where everything
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Speaker 1: at Israel does I have to accept, you know, to
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Speaker 1: borrow a phrase we talked about earlier Nix Nooks nine, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: Israel must be accepted for who they are. Yes, they've
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Speaker 1: got a very negative past biblically, but there they are
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Speaker 1: and they still you know, when Israel was in its
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Speaker 1: depth of its sin with the Prophets, he still said
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Speaker 1: you're my people. Israel today is still in the depths
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Speaker 1: of sin. They are still His people, and I, as
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Speaker 1: a believer, am obligated based on the New Covenant the
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Speaker 1: love them and Jewish people will try you as you
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Speaker 1: try to witness to them. That's true, and they will
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Speaker 1: try you.
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Speaker 3: They try God.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for thirty five hundred years. But anyway, we
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Speaker 1: have to constantly express love. My mind, my favorite verse,
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Speaker 1: I'll have to read it because in my old age, well.
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Speaker 2: As you get there, I just want to remind people,
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Speaker 2: so you go there is Look that all we have
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Speaker 2: to do is read the Old Testament when you read
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Speaker 2: the Book of Judges, which is absolutely horrible. When you
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Speaker 2: read all that Ezekiel again eight through twelve. What they're
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Speaker 2: doing in their pagan religious system. They did not lose
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Speaker 2: their chosenness. I remember right, they were God's chosen people.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that they were saved. Look, they obviously
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Speaker 2: were worshiping other idols and everything else. Chosenness in the
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Speaker 2: Old Testament does not mean saved. It just simply means
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Speaker 2: they were set apart for God's special purpose and they
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Speaker 2: were wicked. But he says, these are my people, and
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Speaker 2: Jeremi thirty one, they will never cease to be a
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Speaker 2: nation before me ever, unless you get rid of the
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Speaker 2: sun and the moon.
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Speaker 3: Et cetera. So even in the midst of that, all
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Speaker 3: we're doing.
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Speaker 2: All Zionism says is that the promises of God to
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Speaker 2: the people of Israel, starting with Abraham going out with
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Speaker 2: here are still true? In Again eighty fifty seven, Paul said,
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Speaker 2: it's still true even though they had killed.
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Speaker 3: There's killed God's son.
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Speaker 1: They don't age off.
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Speaker 3: They don't age and they don't sent off either.
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Speaker 2: That even again, the church had already been established for
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Speaker 2: twenty some years, twenty five years. So even though the
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Speaker 2: church was there at which Gentil's already he's obviously writing
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Speaker 2: to the Romans who are gentiles, it didn't eliminate that
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Speaker 2: they are.
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Speaker 3: Still God's chosen people. And so let's.
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Speaker 2: Remember that the covenants still belonged to them. That's all
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Speaker 2: that Zionism is saying, is that, remember they came back
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Speaker 2: because they have a future. As it relates to prophecy
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Speaker 2: in the seventie week of Daniel, that was a move
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Speaker 2: of God, and the promises are still theirs.
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Speaker 1: Amen.
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Speaker 3: So what verse were you going to read? For?
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Speaker 1: Well, my verse that I often refer to is Romans
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Speaker 1: eleven eleven, which says, I say, then have they stumbled
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Speaker 1: so that they should fall? And it's requiring a negative answer,
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Speaker 1: God forbid, But rather through their fall, and I say, Gentiles,
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Speaker 1: sit up, listen through their fall. Salvation has come to
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Speaker 1: us gentiles for to provoke them to jealousy, not beat
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Speaker 1: them over the head by calling them Christ killers.
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Speaker 3: Or disqualify them or you know, disinherit them. Right, Which
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Speaker 3: is the history of the church?
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Speaker 1: Yep, you know. I mean I went through Bible College
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Speaker 1: and we did church history and and and and we
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Speaker 1: studied theological development, you know. But the Church fathers, they
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Speaker 1: didn't say anything about what they did to Israel. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it's pitiful now that I have so many things
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Speaker 1: written down, some have recorded and poking God's eye there.
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Speaker 1: It's pathetic what the Church has done in the name
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Speaker 1: of Jesus. That's why I like the one book I
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Speaker 1: printed for a guy called in the Shame of Jesus,
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Speaker 1: and he's talking about replacement theology there. But you don't
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Speaker 1: want to. But do we understand what we have? We
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Speaker 1: have salvation because they stumbled we have it, and we're
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Speaker 1: supposed to prove them to jealousy. How do we provoke
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Speaker 1: them with jealousy, beating them over the head by ridiculing them,
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Speaker 1: by cursing them, esteeming them a little. No, we live
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Speaker 1: the life of Christ in front of them. Yeah, One
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Speaker 1: it was eleven to me is so powerful.
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Speaker 2: It's it's and again with I know that many people
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Speaker 2: who I had a conversation with a guy, a brother again,
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Speaker 2: people who people who believe in replacement theology. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they for the most part, they love Jesus. I mean
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Speaker 2: as far as I know. I mean, I anyways, this
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Speaker 2: guy was a brother, and the Lord love him. Again,
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Speaker 2: we have more in common than.
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Speaker 3: We have not in common.
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Speaker 2: Right, But he said, well, you know, we don't really
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Speaker 2: nobody uses the term replacement theology in our camp, which
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Speaker 2: is it's true, they don't change the words. Well, we
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Speaker 2: like that, he said, we prefer the word fulfillment theology.
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Speaker 2: And I said, okay, that's fine. I mean, and it's
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Speaker 2: like people talking, which I can relate, because many in
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Speaker 2: our camp will say replacement theology, which is a term
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Speaker 2: that we use about them. Well, they'll use the term
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Speaker 2: secret rapture, but it's not a word we use. We
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Speaker 2: don't use the word secret rapture. It's like nobody and
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Speaker 2: I know that uses the word. But what I said was, hey, look,
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Speaker 2: so let's find let's say fulfillment. So their idea in
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Speaker 2: covenant theology is that Jesus fulfilled everything, and therefore the
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Speaker 2: church's the continuation of the people of God in general,
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Speaker 2: and so Jesus is the fulfillment, and therefore all the
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Speaker 2: promises that have been left unfulfilled are fulfilled in Jesus.
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Speaker 3: Therefore there's no more need for anything else.
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Speaker 2: And you say, okay, but that's let's just go with that.
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Speaker 2: Paul didn't get the message because in fifty seven AD
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Speaker 2: he obviously was written a lot in Romans four and
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Speaker 2: others about Jesus and his certainly supremacy. But he says, oh,
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Speaker 2: by the way, if you want to know about the Jews,
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Speaker 2: they still have the promises. They weren't transferred specifically only
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Speaker 2: to Jesus. And he's talking about this. He's talking about
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Speaker 2: this group. He's not talking about Jesus there because Winter
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Speaker 2: said Jesus, we can get to that.
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Speaker 3: In Glatians Tree, he said, my brothers, I.
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Speaker 2: Have unceasing anguish in our heart for them, But they
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Speaker 2: still have the promises, and so he could he could
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Speaker 2: have said, well, by the way, Jesus has them, now,
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Speaker 2: I don't need to worry about it because I don't
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Speaker 2: need to have anguish.
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Speaker 1: Isn't amazing what they say that Paul, Jesus never said,
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Speaker 1: never said, never said, and and and that's arrogance.
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Speaker 2: And we'll get to Galatians three, which we'll talk about that.
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Speaker 2: So I think let's keep the definition here very very simple. Now, granted,
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Speaker 2: you know, Israel is entitled to possess the land of
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Speaker 2: Israel for all time based on God's promises. So what
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Speaker 2: we're defending here, we're not even defending Israel necessarily, we're
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Speaker 2: defending the promises of God specifically. But here's my question, John,
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Speaker 2: So if they're if we tell them, hey, as a
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Speaker 2: Zionist Christian Zionist, you have the right, uh that that
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Speaker 2: land is yours by by by promise. Okay, So they're
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Speaker 2: gonna say, oh, thank you for that. So we're gonna
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Speaker 2: go in and we're gonna set off a nuclear bomb
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Speaker 2: in Gaza and eliminate all of the Palestinians there is
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Speaker 2: that Okay?
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Speaker 1: Nope?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And and of course, the the flip side of that
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Speaker 1: is that most people don't realize that the Palestinians are
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Speaker 1: killing their own people by putting them in front to
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Speaker 1: make sure they get killed, the children get killed, the
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Speaker 1: young people get.
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Speaker 3: Killed, hospitals weak.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that they can use it as propaganda against Israel.
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Speaker 1: They're the wicked heart. Israel is there just to defend themselves.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So again, we're just because we recognize the promises of God.
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Speaker 2: That that that what you read or what we know
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Speaker 2: in Genesis twelve. I'll give you this land, I'll give
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Speaker 2: it to all your descendants. That land was given by God.
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Speaker 2: It's God's land. He God owns the land. But they
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Speaker 2: get the right to use it, of course, But it
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that is has the right to do all
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Speaker 2: those things. And if they did, we would say, well,
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Speaker 2: they are embracing the land in a way that is
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Speaker 2: obviously would not make God happy. Because let's say it
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Speaker 2: this way. We should pray for the Palestinians just as
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Speaker 2: much as we should pray for these rallies to get saved.
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Speaker 3: Right, we don't make a distinction there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Israel in their past has defiled the land, yes,
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Speaker 1: they have. In their present day they have defiled the land.
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Speaker 1: So they're sinners. The Palestinians are sinners likewise, but we
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Speaker 1: all we treat each one as a believer. Palestinians need
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Speaker 1: to come to know Jesus Christ as or savior, whether
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Speaker 1: they are Christian or Muslim. Yeah, they need to know
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Speaker 1: that and understand that. And and I don't know how
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Speaker 1: to put it together. But when Christ comes back, there's
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Speaker 1: not going to be a question what about all those people?
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Speaker 1: Evidently he moves them all out. Yeah, it's it's the
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Speaker 1: Jewish land, it's Jewish land. He moves them out.
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Speaker 3: He's going to rule from there. Yep.
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Speaker 1: So there won't be any Palestinians. Nope. You know how
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Speaker 1: he'll do that, I don't know. And I don't know
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Speaker 1: how many will die in the tribulation, but you know.
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Speaker 3: That's his business. Yeah, yeah, it's.
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Speaker 1: Beyond as I say, it's beyond my pay grade.
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Speaker 2: Well, we know in Matthew nineteen that Jesus promised to
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Speaker 2: Peter and the other twelve that they were going to
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Speaker 2: sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel
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Speaker 2: during the kingdom. So obviously, and we know that land
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Speaker 2: is going to be expanded. It's going to be expanded,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be changed. I mean, we have earthquakes,
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Speaker 2: we got splitting of the amount of olives, we got
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Speaker 2: the dead sea, you know, becoming a fruitful again. And
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Speaker 2: you have a you know, basically a fifty square mile Jerusalem,
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Speaker 2: which Jerusalm's not fifty square miles too, So that's a
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Speaker 2: whole new plain. A mountain's going to be the mountain
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Speaker 2: of the Lord. We have all these things, and it
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Speaker 2: goes all the way up to the Euphrates. Yes, I
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Speaker 2: mean that encompasses part of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan. Yep, he's
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Speaker 2: going to do it, you know, I.
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Speaker 1: Have Satan likes to take truth and then twist it
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Speaker 1: with myriads of lies, like the book the Elders of Science. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: protocols are okay. The Jews are going to rule the world.
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Speaker 1: They're plotting and planning to rule the world. No, they're not.
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Speaker 1: There will be a Jew that.
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Speaker 3: Will rule the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one day, one day that will be a shoe.
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Speaker 1: He knows that. So he takes a nugget of truth
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Speaker 1: and has built hatred around it on the Jewish people
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Speaker 1: because he can't get at God, he can't defeat God,
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Speaker 1: but he can sure try and kill the Jew and
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Speaker 1: that's what he's after. And these people out there marching,
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Speaker 1: and these colleges, these if I use a word sarcastically,
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Speaker 1: these edgumicated people. They don't know.
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Speaker 3: Squad many of them don't even know why they're there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just I lack adjectives, so
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Speaker 1: I better stop right there. Well, it's frustrating.
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Speaker 2: I think the other thing, too, is that when you
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Speaker 2: have some of the conspiracy there is. Look, I love conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe in all of them, but I believe
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Speaker 2: there are some for sure. If you Satan is, if
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Speaker 2: you believe the Bible, you have to believe at least
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Speaker 2: one conspiracy, and that's Satan's He's a conspirer. But what
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Speaker 2: you do see in some of that is you know,
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Speaker 2: the again, the elders of the protocols, eye or whatever.
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Speaker 3: So or these other things.
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Speaker 2: They go, well, look look at look at you know,
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Speaker 2: the rothschilds, and you go, So what you're telling me
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Speaker 2: is you're giving me an example of a Jewish family
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Speaker 2: who is very wealthy, who is looking to control things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I don't deny that. I can give you a Chinese
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Speaker 2: family that is wealthy is looking to control things, or
21:16
Speaker 2: a Gentile family, or an American family, an Italian family.
21:19
Speaker 2: So you're going to take that one, you know, Jewish person,
21:22
Speaker 2: or maybe a handful of them and now you're going
21:24
Speaker 2: to look that to characterize and stereotype a whole group.
21:27
Speaker 2: I mean, we could do that with any nationality.
21:30
Speaker 1: And you know, they want to point to the Jewish
21:33
Speaker 1: people that they're trying to control things and they're money hungry.
21:39
Speaker 1: Most people have no idea that was the only avenue
21:43
Speaker 1: that the Church gave them was money lenders. So the
21:48
Speaker 1: Church programmed the Jewish people to learn how to make money.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?
21:55
Speaker 1: And now we'll blame it on them?
21:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, now we have we well, we quote we the Church.
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Speaker 1: Have done well.
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Speaker 3: Most people don't know that.
22:04
Speaker 2: They don't understand Church history. I remember, you know, studying
22:08
Speaker 2: Jewish history in college because again Jewish studies major, and
22:11
Speaker 2: you're like, I didn't know any of that. I was like, oh, wow,
22:14
Speaker 2: you know, the massacres, the pilgrims, you know, the the
22:18
Speaker 2: you know, expulsions all the way through the countries, even
22:21
Speaker 2: into the you know, certainly in the Middle Ages and even
22:23
Speaker 2: in the Modern Age the last few hundred years for sure.
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Speaker 3: You're like wow.
22:26
Speaker 2: And so I think the important thing here is if
22:30
Speaker 2: we understand and I want to get to Genesis twelve.
22:33
Speaker 2: But the other thing that I'll just mention is that
22:36
Speaker 2: we see people who are make claims that the modern Jews,
22:42
Speaker 2: the Jews living in the land of Israel, are not
22:44
Speaker 2: the real Jews, they're Kazarians, et cetera. And and I'll
22:47
Speaker 2: just tell people, listen, if you go to our website
22:50
Speaker 2: Prophecywatchers dot com slash Jews, I made.
22:53
Speaker 3: It really really easy.
22:55
Speaker 2: I talk about the Biblical the terminology of Israel, Hebrew
23:00
Speaker 2: and jew throughout the whole Bible. I cover every last
23:03
Speaker 2: evidence of it. But I also give there four different places,
23:07
Speaker 2: four different documents, peer reviewed documents where you can look
23:11
Speaker 2: at the genetic history of the Jewish people from today
23:14
Speaker 2: all the way down. So don't believe the lies. You
23:16
Speaker 2: can go there again, you can look at the evidence yourself.
23:19
Speaker 2: We don't have time. The Jews that are there today
23:22
Speaker 2: genetically it is proven. Are the have a connection to
23:25
Speaker 2: the Jews of ancient past.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, whether they're Sephardic or Ashkenazi or any of
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Speaker 1: the other groups.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's it's they have clearer markers, even as much
23:39
Speaker 4: as many of the even some of the priests have
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Speaker 4: very specific religious markers or genetic markers.
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Speaker 3: The quanem Yeah.
23:47
Speaker 2: So, but one of the things that came up before
23:50
Speaker 2: in which I think again, I think that you're the
23:52
Speaker 2: perfect guy for this is people asked, okay, Mondo, you
23:57
Speaker 2: went through Genesis twelve, you went through Roman's and you
24:00
Speaker 2: went through Romans eleven. Okay, I believe you. Let's just
24:05
Speaker 2: say I submit to the scriptures, not about me. I
24:07
Speaker 2: submit to the scripture.
24:08
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about that Genesis twelve one through three.
24:15
Speaker 3: Who's it two?
24:18
Speaker 2: And what does it mean in practical terms? And what
24:21
Speaker 2: you've done and maybe you know I have I have
24:24
Speaker 2: your your book here where you said okay, I'm gonna
24:27
Speaker 2: do this, and the outworking of the Abrahamic Covenant individually,
24:31
Speaker 2: and you went through the Bible when this person blessed
24:35
Speaker 2: the Jews, this happened when they cursed, and just so
24:38
Speaker 2: just maybe give us some background and.
24:40
Speaker 3: I'll actually I'll pass this over to you because this
24:43
Speaker 3: is from your own book.
24:44
Speaker 2: But it's easier, it's easier to I know, nobody has
24:46
Speaker 2: their own books memorized. But anyways, so start with Genesis twelve.
24:50
Speaker 2: Just who's it too, what's it about?
24:52
Speaker 1: Well, it's to Abraham, who is the father of the
24:57
Speaker 1: Jewish people. He's not Jewish. As I mentioned, he's the
25:01
Speaker 1: father of Jewish. It's Abram, Isaac and Jacob, which makes up,
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Speaker 1: you know, the triad that you need for establishing the
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Speaker 1: Jewish family. So it's too Jewish people. Context. When I
25:19
Speaker 1: was in Bible school, that was one thing they pounded
25:21
Speaker 1: into our head. Context. Context, context, stay in the context.
25:27
Speaker 1: Genesis twelve. The context is to Abraham and an eternal
25:32
Speaker 1: covenant that He made with Abraham that had three aspects
25:36
Speaker 1: in it that later God develops into other covenants. So
25:43
Speaker 1: it's Israel, Israel, Israel, not gentile, gentile, gentile or church
25:51
Speaker 1: church church. It's Israel.
25:54
Speaker 3: I mean.
25:56
Speaker 2: So one of the things that Tucker said was, so
25:59
Speaker 2: you're saying that that promise and this is where again
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Speaker 2: where he failed that promise that God made to Abraham,
26:04
Speaker 2: where cars me to bless net and Yaho. And you go, well,
26:07
Speaker 2: it's not just to Abraham again it was, it goes
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Speaker 2: on to Isaac. And then in case we didn't forget,
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Speaker 2: in Balem, the prophet numbers twenty four says, well, those
26:19
Speaker 2: who bless you will be blessed. Those who curse you
26:22
Speaker 2: will be cursed. That was to Israel. That was the
26:23
Speaker 2: twelve tribes there, it was later, so you have it reiterated,
26:27
Speaker 2: so it's not just limited so to Abraham. Tucker's trying
26:31
Speaker 2: to set the stage. Well, Tucker, you're wrong. Your your
26:35
Speaker 2: biblical understanding is incorrect. That promise was reaffirmed about the
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Speaker 2: blessing and cursing to the twelve tribes, which includes all
26:45
Speaker 2: of them even to this day. Genetically speaking, Abraham or
26:48
Speaker 2: a net Yahoo is one of the.
26:51
Speaker 3: Descendants of Abraham. So how do I.
26:56
Speaker 2: What does it mean for me to bless if I
26:58
Speaker 2: see Natane walking on the street. How does Genesis twelve
27:02
Speaker 2: three apply to me as a gentile seeing him? What
27:05
Speaker 2: does that look like for me to bless him?
27:07
Speaker 1: For me, I'd love to walk up to him and
27:11
Speaker 1: shake his hand and tell him much. I appreciate what
27:13
Speaker 1: he's done, not that I agree with everything he's done,
27:16
Speaker 1: but what he said. I'd do the same thing with Trump.
27:19
Speaker 1: I agree with much that he's done, but I don't
27:22
Speaker 1: agree with everything. Like I had said earlier, Trump inadvertently
27:26
Speaker 1: is setting the stage for Ezekiel thirty eight thirty nine.
27:32
Speaker 2: So well, but let me twist it here for a minute.
27:35
Speaker 2: Let's say that Netan Yahoo sent a nuke on the Palestinians.
27:40
Speaker 2: And he's a wicked, horrible individual. But he's Jewish, So
27:45
Speaker 2: are you still required to bless him?
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's go the other way. Source is a Christian?
27:50
Speaker 3: Do I support? I mean he's sorest Oh is jew
27:53
Speaker 3: George Sores? Yeah? Yeah, he is a pagan, he's horrible. Yeah, okay,
27:58
Speaker 3: sold he import any he's seen him walking down the street.
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Speaker 3: What does it mean to be a to bless him?
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Speaker 1: I would find a way to be positive to him
28:07
Speaker 1: and to reflect Christ, not to be negative if I
28:14
Speaker 1: can help it, all right, because of who he is.
28:19
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about Chuck Schumer. Yeah, okay,
28:25
Speaker 1: he would rather side with the Palestinians and side with
28:28
Speaker 1: his own people in New York State. I have a
28:34
Speaker 1: problem with him.
28:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So let me let me, let me, let me,
28:39
Speaker 3: let me pin you again here. This is good.
28:41
Speaker 2: So you have Chuck Schumer and Sorrow standing there together.
28:45
Speaker 3: Too, Jews, wicked Jews. Okay, okay. To add Karl Marx
28:50
Speaker 3: into that, yeah, let's let's throw him in there. Okay.
28:52
Speaker 2: And then over here you have a wicked gentile okay, Hitler.
28:57
Speaker 2: So you have both of them standing there at the
28:59
Speaker 2: same time, do you have a greater obligation to be
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Speaker 2: a blessing to the Jewish guys as opposed to the
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Speaker 2: gentile people? Based on Genesis twelve three?
29:11
Speaker 1: How does that apply to me? It's equal, Okay, I
29:15
Speaker 1: understand what the Jewish people have given me in Christ
29:22
Speaker 1: and what the gentiles. I'm a gentile, but I will
29:28
Speaker 1: not parse myself and say, well, I'm going to do
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Speaker 1: more for the Jews because they're Jews than I would
29:37
Speaker 1: for a gentile. No, they're human beings. Yes, God's chosen people,
29:43
Speaker 1: and I'm going to aid them more possible. If it's
29:45
Speaker 1: a gentile, I'm going to aid them where it's possible.
29:49
Speaker 1: I'm compelled to bring up another phrase that we haven't
29:52
Speaker 1: talked about. I'm compelled to in the Law of Christ,
29:56
Speaker 1: in the epistles, how to treat other people who are
30:01
Speaker 1: your enemies.
30:04
Speaker 2: I mean, we are to love our enemies, Jew or gentile, right,
30:06
Speaker 2: And so I guess in this sense, would would would
30:10
Speaker 2: would if somebody wanted to say, well, then okay, if
30:12
Speaker 2: you're gonna approach those that those wicked Jews and those
30:15
Speaker 2: wicked Gentiles equally, then Genesis twelve three has real no
30:20
Speaker 2: practical value.
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Speaker 1: No, it has a theological value, and I think it
30:23
Speaker 1: has a practical.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so so unpack that for us? How it?
30:26
Speaker 1: Oh?
30:27
Speaker 3: Boy? Yeah? Putting you on the spot.
30:28
Speaker 2: I'm just I know, I know what people are, I
30:30
Speaker 2: know how people are thinking, and they're gonna go, okay, fine,
30:33
Speaker 2: theologically I agree with you, but how does that so?
30:35
Speaker 2: But we ultimately it has no practical value for me
30:38
Speaker 2: as a Christian. So all I have to do is
30:40
Speaker 2: simply acknowledge. Yeah, okay, God has the promises of them
30:42
Speaker 2: that he didn't make to the gentiles. Okay, I'm done.
30:45
Speaker 2: Is is that the extent ofment?
30:47
Speaker 1: I don't think it can be. My problem is for me,
30:51
Speaker 1: it's a hypothetical question because I don't regard one person
31:01
Speaker 1: more than.
31:02
Speaker 2: Another, except to say that that gentile didn't have the
31:06
Speaker 2: same type of promises that Jewish people don't, right right, Yeah,
31:10
Speaker 2: that's what theological Again, it goes back to theology, it does.
31:13
Speaker 1: So I have I have a hard time with that
31:16
Speaker 1: because it's Yeah, you get into boy, I don't know,
31:28
Speaker 1: you get into hypothetical questions and they're hard. Yeah, they
31:31
Speaker 1: are hard because they're hypothetical. We've never had to face
31:33
Speaker 1: them directly, we summarize what we want to do. But okay,
31:41
Speaker 1: let me because of what I believe, I'm going to
31:44
Speaker 1: support both. They're both sinners, but I have a heart
31:52
Speaker 1: for Israel. Okay, So it means that I don't love
31:56
Speaker 1: the Gentiles. You know, it's kind of that thing Esau Shau.
32:00
Speaker 1: I loved Esau, I hated God didn't hate Esau. Simply
32:06
Speaker 1: wasn't his choice. He didn't choose Esau, he chose Jacob.
32:12
Speaker 1: He loved them both.
32:15
Speaker 3: God is love. I mean that there's.
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Speaker 1: So it's to me, it's it's it's a hard question
32:21
Speaker 1: to answer because it's for me, it's hypothetical.
32:23
Speaker 2: So let me let me bring it another angle. So
32:26
Speaker 2: there's a what what I left out because I can
32:33
Speaker 2: be sneaky, Okay.
32:37
Speaker 3: Is.
32:38
Speaker 2: We're both of course, we're to love our enemies. Okay,
32:42
Speaker 2: we're to bless our enemies, right. Romans twelve says that
32:45
Speaker 2: Paul says the same thing in Romans tel. Okay, So
32:49
Speaker 2: is there a if you're seeing again the wicked jewsed okay,
32:53
Speaker 2: and the wicked Gentiles in the group, there's a promise
32:57
Speaker 2: to you that you're gonna love them both. But is
33:01
Speaker 2: there a identical promise. If you were to go bless
33:04
Speaker 2: those wicked Jews, you're going to be blessed. Is there
33:07
Speaker 2: a similar promise that if you go bless the wicked gentiles,
33:10
Speaker 2: there's a similar blessing that's on to you.
33:13
Speaker 3: Is it that explicit?
33:15
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
33:16
Speaker 2: Right, So, in that end, if you went and you said, hey,
33:21
Speaker 2: I'm being nice, there was raining and you go give
33:24
Speaker 2: your umbrella to the Jewish group, and you were showing
33:28
Speaker 2: just to be a blessing to the Jewish people, he
33:31
Speaker 2: only had one umbrella, would you get a special blessing
33:35
Speaker 2: you based on Genesis twelve three for choosing the gentile
33:39
Speaker 2: the Jewish people over the gentiles the wicked.
33:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for both wicked.
33:44
Speaker 1: They're both wicked, you know. I don't know, Okay, I
33:49
Speaker 1: would probably look at who needs it to most.
33:53
Speaker 3: Well, let's say they were equal, you know.
33:54
Speaker 2: So this, this is what I'm saying, is that, but
33:56
Speaker 2: God promised a blessing specifically for those.
33:59
Speaker 3: That blessed the Jewish people.
34:02
Speaker 2: And so in one sense you would say, well, God
34:06
Speaker 2: would be very happy that you were a good Christian person.
34:09
Speaker 2: But if you chose the Jewish person in one sense,
34:12
Speaker 2: simply based on Genesis twelve three. I don't think that
34:14
Speaker 2: that's wrong. I mean that this is very hypothetical. It is,
34:17
Speaker 2: but we're forcing it to be like I will. He
34:20
Speaker 2: didn't say to the if you to you here, if
34:23
Speaker 2: you bless the gentiles, I will bless you.
34:26
Speaker 3: I mean, not in that very literal way.
34:28
Speaker 1: Right, It's not there.
34:29
Speaker 3: It's not there. Now.
34:30
Speaker 2: Let me let me just say this as we stepped back,
34:32
Speaker 2: because this is this is where the as a pastor
34:35
Speaker 2: that you you were a pastor for a while as well,
34:37
Speaker 2: But this is down to the people want to know
34:41
Speaker 2: what's required of me. They want it very simple, they
34:43
Speaker 2: want it clean. But one of the ways I would
34:46
Speaker 2: say too, that it's probably easier to show how to
34:51
Speaker 2: how someone could curse the Jews rather than how they
34:55
Speaker 2: would bless the Jews. Okay, So in my mind, if
35:00
Speaker 2: I walk down the street and I see two wicked
35:02
Speaker 2: groups and I only spit on the Jewish people because
35:04
Speaker 2: they're Jewish.
35:05
Speaker 3: Well that's that's I'm gonna be cursing. That's right.
35:08
Speaker 2: So it's it's a little bit easier to talk about
35:11
Speaker 2: cursing a certain group rather than the others. But we
35:16
Speaker 2: have this, you know, because many people in the again,
35:19
Speaker 2: as we talk about, in the replacement camp or the
35:21
Speaker 2: you know, covenant theologian camp or the fulfillment camp, they're
35:23
Speaker 2: going to go, well, I should love everybody equally, So
35:28
Speaker 2: Genesis twelve three doesn't have any practical value for me.
35:33
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna love everybody and I'll be fine.
35:35
Speaker 2: But it's the fact that where they go wrong is
35:39
Speaker 2: they deny the promises that are to those wicked people.
35:41
Speaker 1: Right, that's exactly right, And.
35:44
Speaker 2: That's that that would be cursing them by denying something
35:47
Speaker 2: that God promised.
35:48
Speaker 1: Right, God promised it. And again I go back to
35:51
Speaker 1: the integrity of his name. I have to abide by
35:59
Speaker 1: what he said. Mm hmm, I I don't. I don't
36:03
Speaker 1: like the idea of parsik. Well, if there's two groups
36:08
Speaker 1: and one's jew and one's gentile, probably you don't even
36:13
Speaker 1: know exactly who's who you know, and you go and
36:17
Speaker 1: make yourself available to them to help one or the other.
36:22
Speaker 1: If you can only help one, you're gonna you're gonna
36:24
Speaker 1: help one or the other and you don't know. And
36:30
Speaker 1: again it's hypothetical. And that's what I don't like about
36:33
Speaker 1: the hypothetical stuff. Uh, but when I see those those
36:41
Speaker 1: two Jewish, that Jewish couple killed in the outside the
36:49
Speaker 1: museum there in Washington, d C.
36:52
Speaker 3: Simply because they were.
36:53
Speaker 1: Jewish, simply because they're Jewish. I mean, that's that's blatant hatred.
36:59
Speaker 1: And in Christ, I'm supposed to love the Jew, I'm
37:04
Speaker 1: also supposed to love the gentile equally, even though there's
37:08
Speaker 1: a blessing attached.
37:09
Speaker 2: If I love with you, well, let's bring in Matthew
37:12
Speaker 2: twenty five, because there you have the sheep and goat judgments.
37:15
Speaker 2: And whether these people know it or not, Jesus again
37:20
Speaker 2: the standard whether they know it, because the Bible says
37:23
Speaker 2: all we know is that when Jesus gets there on
37:26
Speaker 2: that day and he's talking about those who get to
37:29
Speaker 2: go into the kingdom, he blesses those who were favorable
37:37
Speaker 2: or positive to his brothers. Not spiritual brothers, these are
37:42
Speaker 2: just ethnic, physical brothers. So but what he doesn't say is, well,
37:47
Speaker 2: because you gave a cup of cold water to the gentile,
37:52
Speaker 2: that's just as equal.
37:54
Speaker 3: It doesn't say that.
37:55
Speaker 2: So it's interesting here that this brings up a lot
37:58
Speaker 2: of questions where in some way again and I'm I'm
38:02
Speaker 2: gonna be nice to everybody but Jesus somehow. In according
38:06
Speaker 2: to Matthew twenty five and Genesis twelve three, he has
38:11
Speaker 2: his own angle. He lifts it up a notch because
38:13
Speaker 2: you gave a cup of cold water, were kind, or
38:15
Speaker 2: you visited one of those one of my brothers in prison.
38:18
Speaker 2: It was like, you did it unto me. But he
38:21
Speaker 2: doesn't say the corollary to the gentile, Right, So what
38:25
Speaker 2: is it? How does that play in?
38:28
Speaker 3: That's not really hypothetical, right.
38:29
Speaker 1: That's real. He's judging them strictly on how they treated
38:35
Speaker 1: the Jewish people and how they didn't treat the Jewish people,
38:40
Speaker 1: and it all hinges on whether they get to go
38:43
Speaker 1: into the kingdom or not.
38:44
Speaker 3: Powerful.
38:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of answers that I found.
38:51
Speaker 1: Rather than try to trump up an answer, it's better
38:54
Speaker 1: to say I don't know exactly.
38:57
Speaker 3: We just have the data, just the data. Ye know.
39:00
Speaker 1: I'm to love you in general exactly.
39:03
Speaker 3: And that's why I think. This is where I understand.
39:06
Speaker 2: So this is where when I when I when I
39:08
Speaker 2: see our covenant brothers, they're asking these they're asking these
39:12
Speaker 2: tough questions. Okay, and and so, but they're trying to
39:14
Speaker 2: point us, put us, maybe put us into a box
39:16
Speaker 2: to say, see, it doesn't matter, and you go, well, wait, okay,
39:21
Speaker 2: whether I can give a articulate response doesn't mean it
39:24
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It just means that outworking it can be
39:27
Speaker 2: challenging at times. And so do I need to support
39:31
Speaker 2: net and Yahoo or do I need to support a
39:34
Speaker 2: if there was a wicked Israeli prime minister?
39:36
Speaker 3: Whatever? What does that mean to support them?
39:39
Speaker 2: I think it starts with theology, it's doesn't it rather
39:43
Speaker 2: than be giving.
39:44
Speaker 3: Money to the government.
39:45
Speaker 2: I don't give money to the Israeli government, but it
39:49
Speaker 2: does come into boycott.
39:50
Speaker 3: Would we would we boycott Israel? Right?
39:54
Speaker 1: Neither, because that's cursing Israel?
39:55
Speaker 2: M hm so so so again, here we have these
39:58
Speaker 2: practical zampers. What's much easier to show how you could
40:01
Speaker 2: curse them than it is to you know, because again,
40:05
Speaker 2: would we would we choose to support a Jewish Deli
40:10
Speaker 2: versus a gentile Deli?
40:11
Speaker 3: If we knew?
40:12
Speaker 2: And then if I choose to bless the Jewish Deli
40:14
Speaker 2: with my resources, does that get.
40:17
Speaker 3: Me a leg up? You know what I'm saying, Well,
40:21
Speaker 3: God bless you.
40:22
Speaker 1: You know that's the yeah, and I think I think,
40:26
Speaker 1: to me, it's going more to a heart motivation when
40:34
Speaker 1: I don't know who's who. You know, I'm going to
40:36
Speaker 1: go to the Delhi. It's got the best food.
40:39
Speaker 3: And maybe the best price.
40:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a heart issue, and
40:50
Speaker 5: I'm obligated as a believer in Christ.
40:55
Speaker 1: That loved you and gentile. God has made promises that
41:02
Speaker 1: are standing, that are active today that if he doesn't
41:10
Speaker 1: fulfill and we don't have salvation because he violated his
41:15
Speaker 1: covenant with Israel with Abraham, and then we don't have
41:22
Speaker 1: salvation as far as I'm concerned, because then God ceases
41:27
Speaker 1: to be holy, and God becomes unholy because he accepts.
41:34
Speaker 1: Oh anyway, well let me, let me let me it's
41:37
Speaker 1: it's it is a nasty subject.
41:40
Speaker 3: It's challenging.
41:41
Speaker 2: Well, so let me bring up another little aspect. And
41:44
Speaker 2: just in the sense of what you do see is, look,
41:48
Speaker 2: we're called to do both. We're called to bless the
41:51
Speaker 2: gentile and we're called the blessed you.
41:53
Speaker 3: But what you see is some.
41:55
Speaker 2: People will in maybe in their enthusiasm to f philed
42:00
Speaker 2: Genesis twelve three, maybe they are a Christians hignas whatever,
42:03
Speaker 2: they'll go on the maybe the extreme side, that they
42:06
Speaker 2: will avoid blessing the Palestinian and only bless the Jew.
42:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's that's not right either, is it
42:15
Speaker 1: front right?
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Speaker 2: See, And so then you have others that are boycotting
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Speaker 2: the Jews and they're seeking to blessed the Palcinian.
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Speaker 3: So here you have aris on both sides.
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Speaker 2: And so the key is to do both where it
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Speaker 2: ends up to me, that's that's that's that's God's choice.
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Speaker 3: God will work it all out on the.
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Speaker 1: To be mis seed. He's going to judge our hearts
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Speaker 1: and we'll see whether it was wood, hay and stubble, yes,
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Speaker 1: which is a good possibility on some of this, or
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Speaker 1: gold Siller precious stone. Right, He's going to judge our
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Speaker 1: hearts and that that's another subject. Yeah, I'm obligated as
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Speaker 1: a believer. I'll just go back and say it. I'm
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Speaker 1: obligated as a believer to love the Jew. But that
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Speaker 1: does not mean that I do not love the Gentiles. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love them equally, but we reckon.
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Speaker 2: We just simply recognize that's part of Christian Zionism is
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Speaker 2: that there's promises to the Jewish people that were very
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Speaker 2: specific and are still in existence. The promises are still there,
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Speaker 2: that are they don't have the same level of promise
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Speaker 2: specifically to you know, gentile nations, you know, Egypt, or
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Speaker 2: others like the Jewish people. And so I just I
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Speaker 2: think of Galatian six', ten which is another interesting pulses,
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Speaker 2: there do good to, all but especially the household of. Faith,
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Speaker 2: right so you, think, okay, well we're to.
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Speaker 3: Do good to.
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Speaker 2: All but if you have an opportunity to bless A
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Speaker 2: christian a household of, faith then then then prioritize. THAT
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Speaker 2: i guess in that, sense and that's not that don't
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Speaker 2: do it at the expense of everybody. Else so there's
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Speaker 2: some similarities here in some of these principles that come into.
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Speaker 1: Play, yeah and you know the whole thing that you
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Speaker 1: know they're, Saying, Gods i'll go get back and use
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Speaker 1: the same, terminology the integrity of his. Person he made.
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Speaker 1: Covenants the church does not supersede. Them the church can't
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Speaker 1: go in and, say, oh done with, You god's done with,
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Speaker 1: you which is what they. Do he made a, COVENANT i,
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Speaker 1: Mean jeremiah thirty one is.
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Speaker 3: So clear it cannot get any.
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Speaker 1: Clearer it's just to the house Of, israel to the
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Speaker 1: house Of. Judah. Period end of. Discussion you, KNOW i
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Speaker 1: like to TELL i like to tell these people that
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Speaker 1: want to do, that want will Be torah go back
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Speaker 1: To exodus twenty to twenty three and find a. Gentile
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Speaker 1: it's To jewish. People, yeah the law was for, them
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Speaker 1: very it wasn't for us. Gentiles it's for. Them they violated.
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Speaker 1: It they're paying the consequences of, it which is. Said
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Speaker 1: that's WHEN, i LIKE i said, before WHEN i Read ezekiel,
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Speaker 1: twenty my heart wants to weep because they were so
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Speaker 1: stiff necked and still. Are.
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Speaker 2: Ye in, fact In jeremy, Four moses, says what other
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Speaker 2: nation is there like us that has the laws That god?
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Speaker 2: HAS i, mean there's no other nations, None and so,
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Speaker 2: WELL i want to finalize a couple of things, here
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Speaker 2: just because in the conversation, before we were talking about
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Speaker 2: That christians Are christians are Spiritual, jews AND i discussed
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Speaker 2: a lot of that in the previous. One but In galatians,
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Speaker 2: three verse, six it's talking About abraham and it, says
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Speaker 2: just As abraham Believed god and it was accounted to
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Speaker 2: him for righteousness it's a quote Of genesis fifteen. Six,
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Speaker 2: therefore know that only those who are of faith are
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Speaker 2: sons Of. Abraham and so people, say, oh well that
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Speaker 2: that means that if anybody is A christian or is
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Speaker 2: a faith that's they are Now. Israelites And i'm just, like,
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Speaker 2: well it doesn't say that they Are. Israelites it says
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Speaker 2: sons Of. Abraham And abraham was not A. Jew And
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Speaker 2: abraham was not A. Jew and he had eight, kids
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Speaker 2: and six of them were From, katura, right and then
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Speaker 2: one from from From sarah and one From.
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Speaker 1: Hagar so was Was ishmael of?
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Speaker 3: Faith?
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Speaker 1: No was He? Jew no Telling arab he's A?
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Speaker 3: Jew yep.
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Speaker 2: Yo can you imagine what about A Palestinian christian today
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Speaker 2: that let's say they were genuinely Saved palestine And. Christian you, know,
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Speaker 2: oh by the, way you you are a person of,
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Speaker 2: faith you are a son Of, abraham but really you're A.
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Speaker 2: Jew he'd be, like, What, yeah you don't see that
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Speaker 2: in The. Bible and we know that the phraseology son
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Speaker 2: of this is very classic And, greek it's the same
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Speaker 2: in most. Languages it means you are you following the
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Speaker 2: pattern of or like you, Know jesus said to The,
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Speaker 2: pharisees IF i cast out demons By beel's above or By,
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Speaker 2: satan who to your? Sons, yeah cast them. Out he's
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Speaker 2: talking about who are your? Followers so we are all
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Speaker 2: sons Of.
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Speaker 3: Abraham we are. Followers we follow in the.
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Speaker 2: Footsteps Of, abraham Because abraham was the man of, faith
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Speaker 2: and so we follow through. Faith therefore we're Followers. Abraham
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Speaker 2: we're not literal. Sons we're Not jewish. People we're not Spiritual.
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Speaker 2: Jews arabs don't become Spiritual.
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Speaker 3: Jews that would be very. Offensive, Right so, PEOPLE i,
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Speaker 3: think take this out of context for.
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah AND i get too many things to run
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Speaker 1: through my head AND i can't cut anything. Together it
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Speaker 1: is out of. Context and we're good at, that especially
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Speaker 1: if we're using a human. Biased, YEAH i MEAN i have.
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Speaker 3: Biases, well, yeah we all. Do we got to find
48:04
Speaker 3: them and avoid.
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Speaker 1: Them but WHAT i endeavor to do in scripture my
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Speaker 1: biased is AND i have a biased with, scripture it's
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Speaker 1: thus set The. Lord and if it's not thus set The,
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Speaker 1: lord then it's worthless to.
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Speaker 3: Me that's a final.
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Speaker 1: Authority it is the final. AUTHORITY i, MEAN i recognize
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Speaker 1: who's the author of. Language you, know who's the? CREATOR i,
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Speaker 1: mean and who AM? I i am to follow.
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Speaker 3: My?
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Speaker 1: Lord AND i have trouble with others who are, believers
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Speaker 1: who want to supersede their biased over What god. Says
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Speaker 1: AND i have real real issues with, that and to
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Speaker 1: me they. DO i, mean how do you sweep under the?
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Speaker 1: Rug to use the, Phrase And i've saw somebody actually
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Speaker 1: do that one, time think the dirt. Before but, ANYWAY
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Speaker 1: i see sweeping under the. Rug hundreds of verses that
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Speaker 1: promised the land To, israel hundreds of verses that deal
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Speaker 1: with the, kingdom a literal. Kingdom there's a. Problem Either
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Speaker 1: god is who he says he, is or he's the
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Speaker 1: he's out Done satan.
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Speaker 3: Oh and his trickery and lies into. Session.
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Speaker 2: Yep and let me just say that there's there's not
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Speaker 2: a single time in all of The New testaments where
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Speaker 2: the Word israel is used of a Entile galatians six
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Speaker 2: sixteen that we don't have time to go into.
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Speaker 3: It but that one as.
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Speaker 2: Well there's so even if you had that, one you'd,
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Speaker 2: say so you want you want me to believe that
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Speaker 2: this one time In galatian sixty sixteen is going to
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Speaker 2: change all of the Other you, know this is the one,
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Speaker 2: instance and you want to build theology off of that,
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Speaker 2: one and it's just not. True paul Uses israel As
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Speaker 2: israel Ethnic, Israel romans, Two romans, Nine romans. ELEVEN i
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Speaker 2: mean The book Of acts clearly distinct between even in
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Speaker 2: The church And. Israel and so all that to say
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Speaker 2: IS i just want to encourage people to your your.
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Speaker 2: Book poking's GOT i if people really want to get
50:35
Speaker 2: to the nitty gritty of the outworking Of genesis twelve,
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Speaker 2: three what blessing and? Cursing you go through line by
50:42
Speaker 2: line in The, bible and you you show how people
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Speaker 2: Blessed israel and Then god bless. Him you show people Cursed.
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Speaker 2: Israel God god then cursed him over and. Over this
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Speaker 2: outworking of this all the, way and you you bring
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Speaker 2: it up to the modern. Times you talk about what
50:54
Speaker 2: that looks like For america and other things which we
50:56
Speaker 2: don't have time to get. Into but, Anyways John metsk
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Speaker 2: appreciate you being here Poking god's eye theological and historical
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Speaker 2: view of Anti semitism based on the blessings and cursings
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Speaker 2: OF genii twelve. Three this book is so absolutely important
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Speaker 2: For christians to understand because it's not going. Away IT'S i,
51:11
Speaker 2: mean we're seeing it With tucker And Senator cruz on national.
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Speaker 2: Television so this verse is super important for us to
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Speaker 2: understand the context of.
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Speaker 1: It and that's one of the things that's puzzled me
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Speaker 1: because of what is in there and for me just
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Speaker 1: trying to get it out to. PEOPLE i put it
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Speaker 1: on pre pub With Yes, Lagos, yes, yes you, know
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Speaker 1: and it's kind of frozen in space at about seventy.
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Speaker 1: Percent it's been in there for three years and it shouldn't.
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Speaker 1: Be people should look at that.
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Speaker 3: And, say, OH i learn more about.
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Speaker 1: That. Yeah, Yeah so you, know people can help if
51:55
Speaker 1: they want to digital.
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Speaker 2: And if you like the digital and you use logos
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Speaker 2: a lot of people. DO i, KNOW i use it
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52:02
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Speaker 2: just have to, say, Yeah i'm interested in, this and
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Speaker 2: then it'll it'll push it over the edge of getting
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Speaker 2: done because again this this kind of shows you as.
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Speaker 2: Well And i'll just end it, here but it shows
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Speaker 2: you kind of the weakness of the church that the
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Speaker 2: church doesn't realize the importance of.
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Speaker 1: This they really.
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Speaker 2: Don't, yeah, so, well, everybody thanks for listening. Today getting
52:24
Speaker 2: into some nitty gritty, stuff but very practical things as
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Speaker 2: it relates to what we're seeing in our, culture what
52:29
Speaker 2: we're seeing on the, news and As, christians we need
52:32
Speaker 2: to be prepared and equipped because deception is only going
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Speaker 2: to get worse and, worse and we want to stick
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Speaker 2: With god's word and the promises That he's made.
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Speaker 3: There so thanks for listening this. Week we'll catch you next.
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