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Dragnet: The Big Love (EP4804) · The Great Detectives Present Dragnet (Old Time Radio)

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  Speaker 1: to take that seriously. This one is a rough one,
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  Speaker 1: but that out of the way. Let's go ahead. July fifth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty one. Here is the big Love.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. This program is for you, not your children.
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  Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true, only
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  Speaker 2: the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're
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  Speaker 2: a detective sergeant. You're assigned to homicide detail. A woman
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  Speaker 2: and her two year old child disappears suddenly, there's no
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  Speaker 2: apparent reason for it. Five days pass, no trace of them.
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  Speaker 2: Your job find them.
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  Speaker 3: Drag Net the documented drama of an actual crime. For
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  Speaker 3: the next thirty minutes, in cooperation of the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 3: Police Department, you will travel, step by step on the
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  Speaker 3: side of the law through an actual case, transcribed from
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  Speaker 3: official police buyouts, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment.
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  Speaker 3: Drag Net is the story of your police force in action.
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  Speaker 4: It was Tuesday, April twentieth, was overcast in Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 4: We're working the day watch out of homicide. My partner's
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  Speaker 4: Ben Romero. The boss is Captain Blaine Steve. My name's Friday.
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  Speaker 4: I was on the way back from communications and it
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  Speaker 4: was one thirty five pm when I got to Room
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  Speaker 4: forty two homicide.
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  Speaker 5: A Hi, Joe, it's still for not much may word.
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  Speaker 5: Ben goes inside. Captain Jervis be right back.
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  Speaker 6: Oh thank you, keeping you busy.
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  Speaker 5: I'm about the same little hectic around the household.
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  Speaker 6: Well that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Ben mentioned something about that you're getting ready for a
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  Speaker 4: wedding out there, aren't you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. My daughter Alice sure getting a nice fellow. That's
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  Speaker 5: so yeah, ambitious kid, part time account, goes to law
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  Speaker 5: school at night down Loyola. Real nice fellow. On to
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  Speaker 5: getting married a week from Saturday's gonna be a big
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  Speaker 5: church thing. Sure, glad doesn't happen often. Oh what I
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  Speaker 5: mean big production. Never saw so many bills in my life.
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  Speaker 5: New dress for Alice going away, luggage, bridesmaids dresses, eats, drinks,
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  Speaker 5: new carpets for the hall, new curtains in the living room.
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  Speaker 5: Wife must think I made of the stuff.
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  Speaker 6: You should have had all boys make. Yeah, you're giving
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  Speaker 6: your daughter away?
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  Speaker 5: Huh yeah, Well it reminds me I got to be
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  Speaker 5: sure and send my suit the cleaners. Get a good
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  Speaker 5: press job on. It sure is funny.
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  Speaker 6: What's that?
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  Speaker 5: It seems for years a wife's been afraid we'd never
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  Speaker 5: get Alice married off. Now it's finally and the works
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  Speaker 5: of wife's still unhappy. Oh that those are moping around
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  Speaker 5: the house wiping it. Her eyes keeps muttering something about
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  Speaker 5: losing her little girl, her little girls leaving her.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, Well, how old is your daughter? Thirty two?
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  Speaker 5: Well, let'll be down stats office if anybody wants, right
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  Speaker 5: mac oh, fard.
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  Speaker 6: Me BENI I didn't see.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 7: Where you been making a couple of phone calls? I
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  Speaker 7: think we might have some Yeah, what's that the Gorman case?
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  Speaker 7: I had to call from one of the neighbors while
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  Speaker 7: you were gone.
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  Speaker 6: Uh? Where is that calendar of our see? I don't know. Well,
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  Speaker 6: here I got one in my pocket, here in my wallet.
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  Speaker 6: Oh here you are?
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  Speaker 7: Okay, Well let's see now missus Gorman and a little girl.
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  Speaker 7: Nance She disappeared on the fifteenth, Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah? Thursday?
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  Speaker 7: Quiet and her husband, mister Gorman father the missing complaint
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  Speaker 7: on Friday morning?
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  Speaker 6: Right? Yeah? What are you getting at?
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  Speaker 8: Well?
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  Speaker 6: You remember when we talked to mister Gorman, he couldn't
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  Speaker 6: think of any reason why his wife and his little
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  Speaker 6: girl should disappear like I did.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, remember me asking him the question if his wife
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  Speaker 7: ran around at all, if she was.
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  Speaker 6: Interested in any other man. That's right, he told you.
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  Speaker 7: Not this man who just called in. He lives out
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  Speaker 7: in the Gorman neighborhood. He swears up and down that
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  Speaker 7: Missus Gorman was keeping company with another man.
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  Speaker 6: Who is this neighbor anyway, name's John Pearson, lives about
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  Speaker 6: four blocks.
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  Speaker 4: From the Gormans. Well, we talked to neighbors a lot
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  Speaker 4: closer than that to the Gormans. They didn't seem to
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  Speaker 4: know anything about it. What else the sky tell you?
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  Speaker 7: Let's see, the man Missus Gorman was supposed to be
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  Speaker 7: running out with is a Ralph kan his next door
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  Speaker 7: to mister Pearson.
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  Speaker 6: Well, how does Pearson sound you?
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  Speaker 7: Pretty typical neighborhood watch dog. But here's the interesting part.
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  Speaker 7: Missus Gorman and little daughter Nancy disappeared last Thursday. Now
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  Speaker 7: Gordon appearson is Ralph Kane. Hasn't been seen around since
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  Speaker 7: Friday night. He told me on the phone he saw
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  Speaker 7: Keane toss a couple of suitcases in his car late
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  Speaker 7: Friday night and drive off.
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  Speaker 6: So he hasn't come back yet. It might be something.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how much of a romance was missus Gorman supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be having with this Ralph Kane.
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  Speaker 7: It's pretty heavy. Cordon and Pearson said it's been going
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  Speaker 7: on for six months anyhow.
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  Speaker 6: And mister Gorman didn't know anything about it and got
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  Speaker 6: me there.
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  Speaker 7: If he did, he didn't let us in on it.
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  Speaker 7: Wonder if you'd have any reason to cover it up.
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  Speaker 4: It's possible, I guess didn't want the scandal. How sure
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  Speaker 4: are you that Ralph Kane's really missing? Might be just
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  Speaker 4: off on the weekend.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 7: I checked the place he worked, he's a printer. Didn't
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  Speaker 7: show up for work. Money, didn't show up a day either,
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  Speaker 7: no message, no excuse. I think I called a friend
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  Speaker 7: of Kane's. Appears new bott. Friend doesn't no where he's going. Well,
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  Speaker 7: I guess we better get on it. It's the first
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  Speaker 7: decent lead in five days. Yeah, just thanking Joe. Neighbors
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  Speaker 7: like Pearson? What would we do with them?
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  Speaker 4: Five days before, on a Thursday evening, a mister Phillip
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  Speaker 4: Gorman returned to his home in the Westlake district of
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  Speaker 4: Los Angeles to find his wife, Barbara Gorman and his
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  Speaker 4: two year old daughter, Nancy missing. There wasn't any note,
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  Speaker 4: no explanation of any kind. Few clothes were gone. Mister
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  Speaker 4: Gorman filed a missing report, and a broadcast and an
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  Speaker 4: APB were gotten out on the mother and daughter.
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  Speaker 6: Neighbors, friends and relatives were checked. No leads.
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  Speaker 4: Routine investigation failed to turn up anything. Mister Gorman could
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  Speaker 4: give us no explanation for the disappearance. After three days
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  Speaker 4: we got out of a radiogram, still no results. Tuesday one,
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  Speaker 4: Ben and I got in the car and drove out
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  Speaker 4: to see John Pearson, who'd phoned in the information about
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  Speaker 4: Missus Gorman's supposed boyfriend, Ralph Kine. We found Pierson out
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  Speaker 4: on the back porch of his home beating some milk
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  Speaker 4: to a pair of housecats.
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  Speaker 10: I thought everybody knew that sergeant Missus Gorman running around
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  Speaker 10: with that Ralph Kane. I'm all busy, buddy. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 10: have mentioned it at all if this hadn't happened.
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  Speaker 7: And you say Kane had been seeing Missus Gorman for
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  Speaker 7: the last six months? Is that right, mister Peers for
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  Speaker 7: about six months? That's how long I've seen it go on.
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  Speaker 7: James don't be such a hog. Let Fred have some
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  Speaker 7: of the milk too, Beaty, little the devil.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know of anybody else in the neighborhood who's
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  Speaker 4: been aware of this, mister Pearson, I mean Missus Gorman
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  Speaker 4: and miss Ralph Keane.
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  Speaker 10: Well, I know for sure that Tholoma White next door
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  Speaker 10: knows about it. She's mentioned it to me. Kane used
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  Speaker 10: to park with Missus Gorman near that vacant lot by
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  Speaker 10: Thoma's house.
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  Speaker 6: Those were the knife that mister Grman was working late.
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  Speaker 4: Would you know if mister German was aware of this
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  Speaker 4: that his wife was running around with another man.
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  Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure he did. Sergeant, that's a strange part
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  Speaker 10: about him. Well, how do you know George, the man
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  Speaker 10: who delivers the groceries. He just happened to mention it
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  Speaker 10: to me once. All right, James, right, it's all gone,
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  Speaker 10: I run.
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  Speaker 6: Off and play.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, George the grocer man, he made a delivery to
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  Speaker 10: the Gormans wants and heard them round about it. George said,
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  Speaker 10: mister Gorman was very mad, talk divorce, all that sort
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  Speaker 10: of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how about the Gorman's little girl, mister Pearson, little
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  Speaker 4: Nancy tragic Sergeant, such a sweet little thing.
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  Speaker 10: Missus Gorman kept her under an iron hand. Imagine the
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  Speaker 10: little girl is only two years old. Missus Gorman was
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  Speaker 10: after her with a stick all the time. She's not
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  Speaker 10: much of a mother, not the way I look at
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  Speaker 10: it anyway. Well, what's your opinion of all this? Do
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  Speaker 10: you think that Ralph Kane has run off with missus
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  Speaker 10: Gorman or what else?
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  Speaker 6: Can you think? Two of them carry on for six months?
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  Speaker 10: Missus Gorman disappears Thursday, Mister Kane leaves Friday night.
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  Speaker 6: What else can you think?
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  Speaker 7: This neighbor year is tell them a White? Does she
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  Speaker 7: live in this house over here? We're going to right,
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  Speaker 7: that's right right next door. You go over and talk
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  Speaker 7: to her. She's home now, thelm will tell you the
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  Speaker 7: same thing I did. All thank you very much, not
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  Speaker 7: at all, sergeant. Just one thing I can't understand about
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  Speaker 7: missus Gorman's little girl, Little Nancy. Can't quite understand why
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  Speaker 7: she's gone. Doesn't seem to fit somehow. How do you
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  Speaker 7: mean if you're gonna run off with a man, you
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  Speaker 7: don't take your family along.
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  Speaker 4: Two fifteen pm we went door and talked with the neighbor,
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  Speaker 4: Delma White. She told us the same story as Pearson.
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  Speaker 4: From the two of them, we got the description DMV
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  Speaker 4: furnished just with the license number of Ralph Kaine's car.
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  Speaker 4: We checked further with Keane's friends, relatives, and his landlady.
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  Speaker 4: No one had seen or heard from him since late Friday.
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  Speaker 4: We searched the duplex where he lived, no leeds. We
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  Speaker 4: went back to the office and checked Kane through R
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  Speaker 4: and I. He had won arrest for petty theft. We
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  Speaker 4: got out a broadcast and an APB on him. Lat night,
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  Speaker 4: Ben and I drove out to see the husband and
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  Speaker 4: father of the missing woman and youngster, Philip Gorman. He
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  Speaker 4: was employed as a groundskeeper at one of the baseball
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  Speaker 4: parks in the city.
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  Speaker 8: Pretty fair, it turned out tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Huh, Yeah, weather's cleared up a little.
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  Speaker 5: Bobby helped.
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  Speaker 8: Huh.
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  Speaker 6: Where's the groundkeeper shacked out.
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  Speaker 8: The end there? Yeah, you can't see it from here.
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  Speaker 8: It's just below the end of the bleachers there.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, it's come out here very often, not as often
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  Speaker 6: as i'd like to. He's down this way.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, watch your step for Joey's and mud butter.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I see it.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, sorry, you're allowed to get back in the stands.
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  Speaker 10: You're not allowed down in the sand. Hurry, mister Gorman
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  Speaker 10: fighting Ramaro you Yeah, sure, I didn't recognize you for
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  Speaker 10: a minute.
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  Speaker 6: You got a few minutes. Mister Gormant would like to
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  Speaker 6: talk to you if we could.
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  Speaker 10: We're sure right now if you're on you found out
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  Speaker 10: something about the wife a little girl.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's there's nothing definite. We got a few questions.
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  Speaker 6: We'd like to ask you.
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  Speaker 8: What's fine with me? I got nothing to do for
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  Speaker 8: a couple of mornings. What's it all about?
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  Speaker 7: When we talked to you at your house the other day, Garman,
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  Speaker 7: you remember me asking if you could think of any
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  Speaker 7: reason why your wife and your little.
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  Speaker 5: Girls would disappeared like you did.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I remember, there's nothing like to think of, Sergeant.
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  Speaker 4: Would you recall us asking you if your wife might
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  Speaker 4: have been interested in some other man, somebody she might
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  Speaker 4: go off with.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I remember what I told you. I didn't think
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  Speaker 8: that was it.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, if you know something and you're not telling
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  Speaker 4: us because you don't want to scandal, you can forget that, Garman,
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  Speaker 4: because whatever you tell us is in the strict confidence.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I don't know what you're reading, Sergeant. I
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  Speaker 8: told you everything I know, and we'll be honest with you. Garman.
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  Speaker 8: We think you're trying to cover up. Well that's not true.
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  Speaker 8: I don't have anything to cover up.
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  Speaker 6: We picked up some new information on your wife this afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: Well here she was pretty friendly with a man named
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  Speaker 4: Ralph King, lives a few blocks in your house.
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  Speaker 6: Well here that you knew what was going on. You
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  Speaker 6: and your wife Barbara had a row. You talk divorce,
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  Speaker 6: how about it?
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  Speaker 10: Well, let's go inside the shack here. I don't get
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  Speaker 10: away from some of this noise. Fine, sure, I hope
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  Speaker 10: you don't mind it in here.
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  Speaker 8: It's a little dirty. I keep all the maintenance.
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  Speaker 6: Stuff in here.
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  Speaker 10: That's all right, Gleming. Now, how about Ralph King? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: I knew about it. It's like you said, all the scam.
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  Speaker 10: I just didn't want to get out.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, if you're going to hold out unless it's
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  Speaker 6: not going to help much to find your wife a.
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  Speaker 10: Little good, I know, surgeon. I just didn't want people
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  Speaker 10: to find out what a bum I married it.
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  Speaker 6: You know what.
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  Speaker 10: Some neighbors were like, I can't understand how happened. I
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  Speaker 10: met the wife when I was in the army.
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  Speaker 6: We'll see.
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  Speaker 10: I brought her back out here. Everything was fine. After
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  Speaker 10: the baby was born, she started to change. Nothing satisfies.
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  Speaker 10: You be going to run around. I'm but a bum,
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  Speaker 10: and I guess I found out too late. You know
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  Speaker 10: it's Ralph Kane. What do you know about him? You
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  Speaker 10: know his single guy works at the print shop downtown.
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  Speaker 10: Pretty good looking, guy's got money to spend. It's all
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  Speaker 10: Barbara cares about.
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  Speaker 7: What's your idea about her? You think Kane and your
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  Speaker 7: wife have gone off to get it.
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  Speaker 6: I'll tell her the truth.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe they did.
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  Speaker 10: I've been trying to check around them all. I'm not
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  Speaker 10: getting very far. Only one thing I'm really worried about.
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  Speaker 10: That's my little girl, Nancy. I don't care what my
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  Speaker 10: wife does or how far she goes. I just want
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  Speaker 10: my little girl by good.
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  Speaker 6: So wasn't you any idea at all where your wife
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  Speaker 6: might have gone?
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  Speaker 10: Oh? None at all. She has no California too run.
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  Speaker 10: She's only been out here here.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know any of Keane's friends, is hangouts or
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  Speaker 4: the places you think he might go.
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  Speaker 10: I'd never eally met the guy, so I'm going to.
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  Speaker 10: I know what he looks like, I'll meet him.
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  Speaker 7: There was just one more thing going. And if your
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  Speaker 7: wife was set on running off with another man, why
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  Speaker 7: did you take your little girl with her? He wasn't
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  Speaker 7: too devoted to the baby on her hand.
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  Speaker 10: That's right. That's What's got me worried. The only thing
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  Speaker 10: I can figure out is a wife hated me more
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  Speaker 10: than I thought she knew that. I thought Nancy's about
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  Speaker 10: the greatest thing alive. Guess rather and let me have her.
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  Speaker 10: She took Nancy on.
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  Speaker 4: Was it possible she might drop the baby off as
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  Speaker 4: I'm friend or relative and tell them to keep on.
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  Speaker 10: I've checked on that already. You got the names of
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  Speaker 10: all the people we know. I'm sure they'd get in
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  Speaker 10: touch with it if they had little.
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  Speaker 7: Devil check them anyhow. Now, does anything else comes up,
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  Speaker 7: you let us know right away. All right, Sergey, It's
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  Speaker 7: just a baby. That's all Nancy's as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 7: My wife never lived. Kind of hard to take him with,
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  Speaker 7: Yes it is. I think you got the finest set
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  Speaker 7: up in the world. Nice home, job, baby, good furniture,
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  Speaker 7: everything you need, yeah, everything.
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  Speaker 8: But a wife.
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  Speaker 4: The search for the missing wife and the two year
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  Speaker 4: old daughter went on the broadcasts and teletypes on Missus
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  Speaker 4: Gorman and Ralph Kine failed to let us a thing.
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  Speaker 6: A week passed there were no leads. Another week went
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  Speaker 6: by nothing.
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  Speaker 4: The half dozen replies we'd gotten on our teletype went nowhere.
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  Speaker 6: They were blind leaves.
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  Speaker 4: Wednesday, May FIP, we got a call from the manager
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  Speaker 4: of an auto court in the south end of the city.
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  Speaker 6: He told us that a man, a woman and a
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  Speaker 6: little girl.
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  Speaker 4: Answering the description of the missing trio had stopped at
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  Speaker 4: his place the night before. Along with Jack McCready from Homicide,
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Ben and I drove out and interviewed the man. We
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: showed him pictures of King, Missus Gorman, and two year
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: old Nancy. He identified all three. He could give us
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: no idea where they'd gone. We checked through the cottage
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: where they stayed.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: No, nothing.
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: It's about as clean as you can get a little
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: something here, what's that o' here?
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: Kid's picture book? Let's see. Yeah, take a look right here.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: This book belongs to Nancy Gorman. Well, we know they
• 15:52
  Speaker 6: were here, that's about it. Yeah, Mac, where are you.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: What did you got?
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: Mayor?
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: I have a look, where'd you find that?
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Poking around this trash barrel? Here? It's like part of
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: a little girl's dress. Huh, yeah, there's not much there.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Did you find the rest, Elley? Oh that's all there
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: is just that little collar.
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: We take a look here, Ben, the stains right here
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: over here too. Yeah, what do you think may blood stains?
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: I'd say so.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: We drove back to the office, to the crime lab
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: and had Lee Jones run the stains on the dress.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: He ran a benzadeine test and then a biological precipitin
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: the stains were made by human blood. Well, it still
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: didn't put us any closer to the missing child or
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: her mother.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: The search went on. We redoubled our efforts. No luck.
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: Another ten days passed.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: We had a few more responses to our all Points bulletin,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: but none of them panned out.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: On May sixteenth, we got two more leads to check out.
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: They went nowhere. We got back to the office a
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: little after six pm.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: Better call mister Gorman after we check in. Keep him
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: off of our back. Yeah, I hate to keep telling
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: him the same thing.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: No word? Yeah, how about it? You call Gormant tonight?
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Uh, mac, let's Dylan got something for your sheriff substation
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: called East LA.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: What about the Gorman case.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: They found him another auto court right there in East
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: La Ralph Kine and Missus Gorman.
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: They got him both under surveillance. How about the little girl, Nancy, Well,
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: that's a hitch. No sign of her.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: You are listening to dragnet authentic cases from official files.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Saturday, May sixteenth, nine pm, along with Levinson McCready from Hamas,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Ben and I drove out to the Sheriff's substation in
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the east end of the city. One of the deputy
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: sheriffs directed us to the motor court where Missus Barbara
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Gorman and Ralph Kane were under surveillance. We found the
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: two of them in one of the rear cottages. There
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: was no trace of two year old Nancy Gorman. Levinson
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: and McCready took Ralph Kane out to the car to
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: interrogate him. Ben and I remained in the cottage with
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Missus Gorman. She was a tall, blonde, thin faced and nervous.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: She spoke with a decided accent. We questioned her for
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: more than two hours. We got nowhere.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: Why don't you sit down, Missus Gorman? Relax?
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: How can anyone relax these questions?
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: She have no right to do for this well, maybe
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: you haven't got it straight.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Missus Gorman. This is a pretty important matter. We'd like
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: to find out about your little girl too.
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: Do I don't know she ran away?
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Now we've had ten different versions. You stopped at a
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: hotel in Nevada and she disappeared. You were in an
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: auto court in Bakersfield, she ran away during the night.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: We've heard just about all of them. How about the truth?
• 18:54
  Speaker 9: Told you everything? I'm going to tell you. I don't
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: know what's happened to the kit. She's gone, that's all
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: she's gone.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: An explanation for it? Where is she gone?
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: She ran away? How many times do I have to
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: tell you? I left with Raf, who went out of
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: the city. After a few days, Nancy got lonesome. She
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: wanted to see her father, who were asleep one night,
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: and she ran away. It's all there is to it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: It's simple. Why can't you understand?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Well, you're gonna have to do better than at Missus Garman. Now,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: how about the truth? What happened?
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: You can't keep me here all night? Where's Raf? I
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: want Raff?
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Why did you take the child with you in the
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: first place? Missus Garman, It's pretty obvious that she didn't
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: want her. Did king want you to take her along?
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: Oh? No, he wanted me to leave her, just he
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: and I. That's all he wanted. Should have left her
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: there all this trouble questions, It's.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: An easy remedy, ma'am. What did you really do with
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: a little girl?
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: She wanted off? The truth? We didn't know it. She
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: wanted off. We couldn't help it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: How about the little dress? We found in that autocord
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: with dames on.
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: The same questions. She always asked the same.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: Questions, What about the dress? Ma'am?
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: Do I always have to repeat? I told you? Rap
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: got his hand he was shaving. It was just a
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: no dress or rag. Rap bandaged his hand with it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: Well, usually wear bandages a while out. You don't just
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: throw him away.
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: It was only a scratch. She didn't need the rag
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: very long.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: Quite a few stings on the dress man must have
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: been more than just a scratch.
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: No, it's just a scratch. Can't you believe anything I say?
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: No, not so far.
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: Please? Can I go aside for a few minutes. I
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: have a headache. It's so hot in here?
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: All right, Miss Gorman? Go ahead? Many thanks.
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: The air is so good, terrible headache?
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: You mind telling you something? Missus Garman, Please.
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: Can't you let me alone for a minute?
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: Why did you leave your husband him?
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: Any woman would leave him?
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: It's Rat.
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: I love Rat and.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Your little girl? What about her?
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: My husband wanted her, not me. I'm just not like that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: I didn't want her in the first place. It was
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: a mistake, terrible mistake.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Is that why you got rid of it? But that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: pretty obvious by this time, ma'am. When you left your husband,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: you took your little girl along for Spike Kane didn't
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: wanter you found out you didn't either see you got.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Rid of or NOAs that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: I didn't say that putting words in my mouth. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: didn't say that at all.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: Joe Ben Yeah, might go here.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Kein's giving us half the story. Shouldn't be too hard
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: to get the rest.
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: It's a lie. There's no story to tell. Nancy ran away.
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: That's all we know.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: Mac Kaine says they tried some kind of a death packed.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: He and missus Gorman here got in a room and
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: turned on a gas.
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: He didn't tell you. He didn't tell you.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Afraid, So ma'am, that's your boyfriend's story. What else make Well,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: as I say, Kane and missus Gorman got in the
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: room agreed to end it all.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: They had a little girl with him in the room.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: Well why was that?
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: Kane says, he doesn't know. Seemed to simplify things having.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: A kid with him. Can tell you what happened?
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they turned on the gas.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: No, no, never mind, miss Garman, never mind, you don't
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: have to say it.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Do you want to tell us about it? Miss Garman?
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: Yes, I'll tell you.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: Three am.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: We went back inside the cottage at the auto court.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: We gave her a cigarette, and Barbara Gorman sat out
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and told us the story. Four days after she'd left
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: with her two year old daughter and Ralph Kin. She
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: knew she'd made a mistake. She admitted that she never
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: should have taken the child. She said the little girl
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: seemed to be in their way all the time. Cain
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: was all for deserting the child or sending her back
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: to her father. Missus Gorman wouldn't agree to it, just
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: out of pure spite. One night in an auto court,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: she and Kin had a big drinking party. They brooded
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: over the mixup that they'd gotten themselves into. Cain didn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: have any money to get married. He knew he'd lost
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: his job. Even if they could get married, Missus Gorman
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: wasn't sure she could get a divorce. Another full day
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: and night of drinking, and they decided on a lover's
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: death pack. They turned on the gas.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: I don't get it, missus Gorman. Why'd you have your
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: little girl in the room with you? Why didn't you
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: leave her with somebody, with anybody?
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: Why she was mine? Wasn't she? I thought we could
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: go together, all three of us, but it didn't work
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: that way.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: Well what happened?
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: We Raff and I woke up. Throats were burning, My
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: eyes were burning. Looked over Nancy. She wasn't moving. It
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: was just like she was asleep.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: Won't you do?
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: Then we got in the car and left. We found
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: a nice place in the desert. There were nice flowers there.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: We buried Nancy.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: How about you and Ralph Kin? You knew you were
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: in deeper? Why didn't you try it again?
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: Oh? We did a couple of times. We loved each other,
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: the only thing we could do. But every time we tried,
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: we couldn't go through with it. We'd try, we never
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: could finish it. Raf got a job we were gonna
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: buy a gun. Tomorrow, we try again, and you.
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: Show us where you buried your little girl.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: Yes, placed in the desert out New Palm Springs. It
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: was a nice place. There's lots of nice flowers around.
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: You understand, don't you. We were in love Ralph and I.
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: My husband wouldn't understand the way I loved Raf twas everything.
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: It was the whole world. Raff and I. I didn't
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: mean it that way. For Nancy. There's a mistake. You've
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: got to understand. I didn't mean it that way.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: That's the way it is.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: It doesn't matter. You can't hurt us, not Traff and I.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: You can't take away what we've got. You'll never take
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: that away.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Do you want to get you cooked?
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: Yes, it doesn't matter what happens. It's for half. I
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: don't care what they do. I'll keep on loving him
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: same way I love him Now, doesn't matter. We'll pay
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: for our mistakes.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Yeh, lady, They're going to cost you.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: At five am, we put in a call for Lieutenant
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Lee Jones and the crime lab crew in the corner.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: When they arrived at the auto court, we drove to
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: the spot in the desert near Palm Springs, where Ralph
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Kane and Missus Gorman pointed out the spot where they
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: buried Nancy. The body was uncovered at the exact spot
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: was taken back to town to the County Morgue, where
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: an autopsy was performed. Kane and Missus Gorman were booked
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: in suspicion of murder. By five o'clock that afternoon, we
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: had the results of the autopsy.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Uh huh right, thank you bye.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: What's the story?
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: Mah, not what we thought. I think Missus Gorman sold
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: us a bit of goods. Little girl didn't dine in a.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: Room full of gas? What the docs say?
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: You found two bullet o's in the body.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: That night, after hours of interrogation, Ralph Kine and Missus
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Barbara Gorman both broke down and confessed that they'd killed
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the child in cold blood. They pleaded drunkenness that they
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: weren't responsible for their actions. They were returned to their
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: cells and held without bail. The child's father, Philip Gorman,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: was notified the following morning.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Ben and I accompanied him to the County Morgue. It's
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: this way, mister Gorman.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Oh thanks, Are you sure you want to go through
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: with this, sir, mister Garland.
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: Well, I might as well tell you the truth. I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: not sure I do.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: It isn't going to help much, mister Gorman, believe me.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: I just wanted to see it just once more. Yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: Well it doesn't work, wouldn't be the same, not the
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: way you remember.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: Just wanted to see it. I just wanted to find out.
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: What's it bottom mother, Ralph king, what is it that
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: can make them do it? Let me groce, he's only two.
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: What can make anybody do a thing like that?
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: Your wife called it love?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true, only the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: names were changed to protect the innocent.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: On September tenth, the trial was held in Superior Court,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Department eighty nine, City and County of Los Angeles, State
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of California. In a moment the results of that trial,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Missus Barbara Gorman and Ralph Donald Kin were tried and
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: convicted in Superior Court of murder in the first degree.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Missus Gorman was sentenced to life imprisonment. Kin received the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: death penalty. He was executed at the State Penitentiary San Quentin, California.
• 27:17
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• 27:51
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• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. This is one of those stories that, now
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that I'm a dad, it just hits really differently, really hard.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: What these two people did I don't have works, at
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: least not edifying works. The suicide pack story was bad enough,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: but what actually happened was just horrific. The outcome speaks
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to the reluctance of juries to give women the death penalty,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and that's the only explanation for why she would not
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: have been executed. On the production side, the opening lighthearted scene.
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: I'm sure I've heard before.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I'm just not sure where. I thought that it was
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the big pair, but I wanted to listen to that,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: and it had a different wedding related opener. The one
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: odd part of this episode was where Joe Friday's narration
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: told us the woman spoke with a heavy accent. That's
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: one of those things that you shouldn't have to include
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a narration that should be obvious in an audio production
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and kind of irrelevant if you were doing the drag
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Net TV thing where they occasionally did, where you'll just
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: show them talking but not actually show the sound and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: have Friday summarize what said. The accent that she used
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is actually kind of vaguely European than anything I can
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: specifically identify. Maybe it was out of some sensitivity to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: issues with making it too specific given the nature of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the crime. You had many displaced persons in the world,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and many who had immigrated to the United States or
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to immigrate to the United States, so highlighting a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: specific nationality may have been something they wanted to avoid.
• 30:13
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• 30:26
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• 30:37
  Speaker 1: It may just be my point of view, but fifty
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: eight is an elderly in regard to the age of
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  Speaker 1: the one of the victims. Come on, Joe and Naomi.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Joe says, Dawn, you beat me to it. I had
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to rewind to check i'd heard it correctly. Mcke Mechanic
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: sixty six pointed out, maybe not, but Jack Webb died
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: at sixty one. People tend to live longer. No, although
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: lifespan for Americans is on a downward trajectory. I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting point and always want to be careful
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and sensitive to my audience. A lot of people, you know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you hear your own age described as elderly. You gotta
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: go ay.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I do think that.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: To expand on what Mechanics sixty six said, life was
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: harder in the past. The further you go back and
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you don't have to go back to this era. There
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: have been many points about how actors used to look older.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: You can go as recent as the first season of Seinfeld.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Jason Alexander was twenty nine when he filmed that first season.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Does not look twenty nine. Apologies to mister Alexander, but
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: at least not like a modern twenty nine year old,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and it's even more stark one I saw compared Carol
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: O'Connor at the age he started doing all in the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: family to Paul Rudd, much older than O'Connor was then.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And while there might be some Hollywood magic involved, even
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: looking at non celebrity photos through the family albums, people
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: just looked older. And I think life took more of
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: a toll it. You tended to have more people who
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: were involved in hard physical labor, and there were so
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: many things about diet and the way we took care
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: of ourselves, and then just the things that people had
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: been through. If you were a fifty eight year old
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: woman in nineteen fifty one, you were born in eighteen
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: ninety three, you'd been through two world wars and a
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: great depression, and who knows what other hardships and that
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: will age a body. And we actually had a really
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: good episode of the Old Time Radio Snack Wagon we
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: did with a couple of commentaries and stories by that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: great storyteller John Nesbitt about how life had become far
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: more easy and convenient and healthy in the time between
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: when he'd been a boy back towards the turn of
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  Speaker 1: the century and the nineteen forties and it's been an
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  Speaker 1: even more dramatic turn since then. And you know people
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  Speaker 1: will say things like the your forties or the new thirties,
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  Speaker 1: or your sixties or the new forties. Well, there had
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  Speaker 1: to be an old thirties and an old forties, and
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  Speaker 1: I will say that whether fifty eight would be considered
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  Speaker 1: elderly or not, I remember growing up in the eighties
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  Speaker 1: and into the nineties that there were restaurants where the
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  Speaker 1: senior menu was something you got when you were fifty five,
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  Speaker 1: and I actually figured out and told my dad how
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  Speaker 1: many years until he could get the senior discount. He
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  Speaker 1: was not pleased at the prospect, but it was a
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  Speaker 1: different time, and whether he was technically correct or not,
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  Speaker 1: even then, I think that it was something that could
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  Speaker 1: have had some merit. Also on Spotify Mechanics sixty six Rights,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: once again, Joe Friday makes an arrest that any competent
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  Speaker 1: defense attorney would have been able to get thrown out
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  Speaker 1: for an illegal search. If you have to clean the
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  Speaker 1: window to see inside the garage, it's not in plain sight,
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  Speaker 1: and we know they would never have lied about that
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  Speaker 1: in court. Well, I appreciate the comment. The thing is,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to questioning the legality of Friday's actions.
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  Speaker 1: They're often based on modern interpretations of the case law.
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  Speaker 1: The criminal case law in regards to criminal procedure, arrest,
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  Speaker 1: due process, and the interpretation of the Fourth Amendment is
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  Speaker 1: something that has evolved over time, and we also have
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  Speaker 1: to keep in mind while the Dragnet episodes were released
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty one, the cases they were based on
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: could have occurred many years prior at the time of
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  Speaker 1: Dragnets in nineteen fifty one, the controlling case regarding the
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  Speaker 1: exclusion of illegally obtained evidence was the nineteen forty nine
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  Speaker 1: case Wolf versus Colorado, in which they found the exclusionary rule,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: which they had applied to the federal government since nineteen fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: was only adopted by seventeen states, thirty others had rejected it,
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  Speaker 1: and that it was not a departure from the basic
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  Speaker 1: standards of due process to allow states to introduce illegally
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  Speaker 1: obtained evidence in state trials. This would not be overturned
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  Speaker 1: until nineteen sixty one, or ten years after this episode aired.
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  Speaker 1: So if this story happened in nineteen sixty one rather
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: than nineteen fifty one or before, yeah, it would get
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  Speaker 1: thrown out in state court, but it didn't now Dragnet
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: did acknowledge when laws changed, although not often in a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: supportive manner. One of the last radio episodes of Dragnet,
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  Speaker 1: The Big Ruling, has fried a non due halp with
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: evidence being thrown out as a result of a new
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: ruling he hadn't kept up on, and subsequent Dragnet seasons
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: when the series returned in the nineteen sixties, showed how
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: criminals were able to take advantage of loopholes. In the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six Dragnet TV movie, many viewers resonated and
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: still resonate with his quirk in the law speed. Yet
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the Dragnet universe, I guess, if you want to call it,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: could also be a bit more balanced in terms of
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: what is the duty of the policeman. It is the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: duty to follow the law as it exists. One of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: my favorite episodes of Adam twelve was called The Dinosaur,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and it is about a police officer who had been
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: amazing and heroic and had actually been someone that the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: hero of Adam twelve Malloy looked up to, but he
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: had been injured in a lone of duty and he
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: spent eight years out of the force and came back.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: But when he came back, he was stuck in the
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: old ways he had been doing things, and as a result,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: criminals got led off and a woman nearly died as
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a result. And at this point molloy had kind of
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: emerged in more of a leadership role, not a sergeant left.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But he just told the guy to pack it in.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: He said, people need to grow with change, and you
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have that chance. It illustrated the degree to which
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: police procedures and the expectations of them in their jobs
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: had changed over the few years as a result of
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: various court rules, and I guess, as an aside, that
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  Speaker 1: also might be one reason why the nineteen fifties Dragnet
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: kind of disappeared from circulation. One of the appeals of
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Dragnet was that it showed the police and action how
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: they worked, but when how they worked had change radically.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You also, of course, did have the appeal of the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: color episodes, but it made sense, probably to stop syndicating
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: the show. It is fair to question whether an arrest
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: today would have been allowed, or whether the evidence would
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: be thrown out today or even a few years after
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the fact, but the fact is that it probably would
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: not have been thrown out in nineteen fifty one because
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the exclusionary rule was not operative in most states in
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the Union. Now it's time to think our Patreon supporter
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• 40:42
  Speaker 12: I take it you and your husband haven't been too
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: happy together recently. We haven't.
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: That's why I'm not sitting around moping and moaning and
• 40:51
  Speaker 11: weeping over his passion.
• 40:52
  Speaker 12: And you have no idea what might have happened to us?
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: No, that is yes, well that is unless he got
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: drowned or something like that on one of his silly
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: fishing expeditions. So unless someone found out how much money
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: he was playing and killed him for that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: He took a great deal of money with him, yes,
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: he always did.
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: How much, missus Halford, He never told me, but it
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: was thousands of dollars and may be sure of that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: He left here in Sebruary.
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: Yes, the weather was too cold in Florida, too cold
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: all along the Atlantic postly so that's what he said
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: in his regular weekly postpod. So he tried up in Alabamondon, Tennessee,
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: and then Kentucky and then have a nosewhere. Then in
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: April he's come back here. How long he was here,
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: I don't know. I was in Fort Wayne.
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: For a few days. Then how do you know he
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: was here at all?
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: They moved one of the kids in the living room
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: to get to the floor safe to get some more
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: money to waste on fishing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: Well, how do you know he was going fishing again?
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: Because of the nod he left and the big freezer
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: with the fish he brought back to put into it.
• 41:50
  Speaker 12: Oh, may I see that note? I don't know.
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: Why not it's the making prisons here done in Fort
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: Wayne and willing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: To saw it to you. And you're sure your husband
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: left no clue what's the way he was going.
• 42:04
  Speaker 11: I'm very sure, mister Dallas, my husband is dead.
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: The word I would have heard from it.
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: You're doing nothing but wasting your time here, my time.
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: I told everything I knowed police over and over again.
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: If you think you can accomplish more than they have,
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: why don't you go down there and talk with the tenant.
• 42:22
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