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This is Your Pilot Speaking · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast with i R Radio. It's week three
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Speaker 1: of Hannaby season on the Bachelorette. This is the almost
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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. I'm Ben and my cost Ashley I kenn
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Speaker 1: Eddie because she's so cool, so popular, so famous and
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Speaker 1: so good at hosting thing. She's actually on her way
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Speaker 1: as I speak from Access where she's breaking down the
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Speaker 1: Bachelor at So come in here live to this podcast
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Speaker 1: and we'll break it down together. I guess that's what
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Speaker 1: happens when you're super cool and super wanted, you have
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Speaker 1: a multiple things going on at one time. Uh, if
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Speaker 1: you're confused on while those two episodes, this week, we
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Speaker 1: had the opportunity, uh thanks to a lot of people,
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Speaker 1: to interview Hannah be on The Almost Famous podcast, and
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Speaker 1: we we released that episode early so all of you
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Speaker 1: could kind of get a taste of who she is
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Speaker 1: as a person and how what her thoughts are going
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Speaker 1: into the season. But we obviously could not go a
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Speaker 1: week without breaking down the episode, and that's why we're
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Speaker 1: doing this podcast. That's why we're doing this release, So
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Speaker 1: make sure you go back and check out Hannah By's interview.
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Speaker 1: We also have a couple in depth interviews that recently
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Speaker 1: came out. I'm gonna speak for ashly here. These in
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Speaker 1: depth episodes have been some more our favorite things to do. Uh.
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Speaker 1: They're meant to just dig into the lives of the
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Speaker 1: people that we know and love best from the franchise
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Speaker 1: and and not a bachelor maybe type of way. We
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Speaker 1: want to really fear who they are as people. Hear
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Speaker 1: who they want to be, who they're becoming, and who
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Speaker 1: they are post show and who they were pre show
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Speaker 1: um and also talk about how great the show maybe
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Speaker 1: it was for them or how hard it was for him.
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Speaker 1: We have a couple of really great episodes that have
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Speaker 1: been released and a couple of really great ones coming out,
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Speaker 1: and make sure you're staying tuned. The Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: is growing and expanding, uh and it has been a
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Speaker 1: blast so far. So without further ado, we wait for
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Speaker 1: Ashley to get into studio. I want to give a
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Speaker 1: little breakdown so far up my thoughts on Hanna be
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Speaker 1: if you remember right, we go back to before the
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Speaker 1: season once Hannah By was announced to The Bachelor, I
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Speaker 1: think it was on Colton Underwood's very last episode or
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Speaker 1: she was announced with The Bachelor, I should say, and
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Speaker 1: there's mixed opinions felt I will say after this week,
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Speaker 1: I think I'll say it, this may be the best
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette season that we've seen as far as entertaining, engaging, intriguing,
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Speaker 1: and a really long time now, we've had some amazing
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Speaker 1: bachelorette Actually, we talked about it, I think two months
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Speaker 1: ago where I can't name one bachelorette that wasn't good
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Speaker 1: that we didn't enjoy or appreciate. Um, but Hannah Bees
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Speaker 1: right there, up there with them. I mean, she's responding
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Speaker 1: well to the difficult situations. She's clear and honest in
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Speaker 1: her approach towards the men. She's not letting any of
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Speaker 1: the men walk all over her um and she's not
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Speaker 1: walking all over them. She's approaching this thing like a partnership.
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Speaker 1: But also she's being an incredible lead. So so far,
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Speaker 1: the Almost fame As podcast is giving Hannah by a
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Speaker 1: very high grade and giving this season a very high grade.
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Speaker 1: I'm actually really enjoying watching this season. I can't say
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Speaker 1: that about every season. You all know that I've talked
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Speaker 1: about it before. Sometimes I just I just stopped. I
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Speaker 1: stopped watching, I stopped participating, and I come onto this
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Speaker 1: podcast and kind of learn what's happening on the season
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Speaker 1: from Ashley because she will always be a fan. This season,
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Speaker 1: I've been fully engaged and in tune and I have
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Speaker 1: some really strong opinions on what's happening, as I know
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Speaker 1: Ashley does as well. Before Ashley gets in the studio,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the opportunity to really break down who
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Speaker 1: I think are the most captivating fellas from this season.
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Speaker 1: When actually comes in, we'll break down the episode as
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Speaker 1: a whole. But I want to spend some time talking
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Speaker 1: about some of the standouts, some of the people that
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Speaker 1: we are seeing the most of. I want to start
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Speaker 1: with Cam because obviously we know that Cam was now
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Speaker 1: let go uh during the road ceremony this week, Cam
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Speaker 1: hit the scene. If we remember, right when we first
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Speaker 1: met Hannah By as the bachelorret he came into studio
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Speaker 1: live and got her first very first rows of the season.
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Speaker 1: He were apped, it was cute, it was sweet. He
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Speaker 1: was a fan favorite from the beginning. But ever since then,
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Speaker 1: we have yet to see a side of Cam that
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Speaker 1: I think, how I say this, uh maybe is relatable.
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Speaker 1: Also it's a little bit confusing. I want to ask
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Speaker 1: Ashley her thoughts on his story that he shared. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I want to stop here, and unlike Twitter last night,
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Speaker 1: I actually really appreciate Cam sharing his story now I
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Speaker 1: do think and I was watching with a group of
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Speaker 1: people and I want to hear all your opinions, so
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Speaker 1: please Emails have been in actually at at my heart
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Speaker 1: meati dot com. But there's a time and a place
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Speaker 1: to share these stories. It's an interesting dynamic on the
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Speaker 1: Batchman Batchlorrette where it's it's it's almost like speed dating
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Speaker 1: right there, there's a limit amount of time. You never
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Speaker 1: know when you're the next opportunity to talk to this
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Speaker 1: person will be um and so you kind of want
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Speaker 1: to share as much of yourself as possible in the
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Speaker 1: short amount of time that we have. However, Hannah has
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Speaker 1: just had a huge week, let's lay this out right,
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Speaker 1: a massive week. She's been in the hospital, she's had
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Speaker 1: some rough dates, she said, she's had some drama, and
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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison comes up with the idea of let's do
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Speaker 1: something fun to Handah. It's familiar with that, the you know,
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Speaker 1: a cookout, a tailgate, So let's enjoy this night, right
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Speaker 1: if sometimes it's a bachelor bachelor I will tell you
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Speaker 1: personally that there's very few moments that you're able to
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Speaker 1: just kick back, let your guard down and just enjoy.
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Speaker 1: I thought this tailgate could be that. It could be
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Speaker 1: that for Hannah, and it could be that for the guys,
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Speaker 1: and the the gents would be able to share maybe
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Speaker 1: they're funny like hearted side, maybe through the football route
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Speaker 1: in a little bit, you know, laugh and talk with
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Speaker 1: Hannah and can the sides in this moment, which again
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Speaker 1: I'm not against him sharing his story. I'm against the
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Speaker 1: timing of when he shared his story. It felt forced,
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Speaker 1: it felt odd, It was almost a sense cringeworthy. Not
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Speaker 1: because of the context of the store or not because
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Speaker 1: of the content of the story, it's the context of
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Speaker 1: the timing of the story. Think about it. How many
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Speaker 1: times in life have you been in a conversation where
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Speaker 1: you're having a great time, or you're out at a bar,
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Speaker 1: or you're out at a party, or maybe you're at
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Speaker 1: a function and somebody pulls you aside and corners you
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Speaker 1: with kind of an out of context story or an
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Speaker 1: out of context confrontation that really just kind of sucks
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Speaker 1: your mood dry. Those are some of the most frustrating,
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Speaker 1: and also some of the times are kind of mind
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Speaker 1: gets thrown off the most. And I think that's what
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Speaker 1: happened to Hannah here. She wasn't able to fully engage
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Speaker 1: in the story. I'm sure in the back of her mind.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for Hannah, but I'm going
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Speaker 1: to because I get to on this podcast. She's probably thinking,
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Speaker 1: I would much rather be throwing the football, eating brats
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Speaker 1: or burgers, and hanging out enjoying this day, because again,
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Speaker 1: it's been a big week and that's why we had
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Speaker 1: a tailgate. It's to let us just enjoy some time together.
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Speaker 1: And Cam shares this story, and I want to hear
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Speaker 1: Astley's now opinion. I'm gonna way for her to get
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Speaker 1: in here on what this story was all about. Right,
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Speaker 1: there's some some things that were missing in this story.
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Speaker 1: And and I don't know why you know this, Cam
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Speaker 1: have an artificial leg, Like, I don't know that we
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Speaker 1: never found that out. We talked about things being amputator,
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Speaker 1: but we never quite heard to what extent we've We've
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Speaker 1: never quite heard the impact of its had on his
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Speaker 1: body or his life. I felt I felt like there's
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Speaker 1: holes in the story that I never got to kind
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Speaker 1: of uh figure out. So if you do have some
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Speaker 1: answers for me, please tweet us and hashtag to almost
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Speaker 1: in his podcast, because maybe I just uh I dnse
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Speaker 1: and didn't understand that could honestly be, but I want
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Speaker 1: to answer. I want to answer, so Cam Cam. I
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Speaker 1: think his story during this season was that he was
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Speaker 1: uh just very horse can do the one thing that
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Speaker 1: you know, you all have heard me talk about a
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Speaker 1: thousand times. I'm not gonna pound it into your heads anymore,
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Speaker 1: but this season has a lot of self describing right,
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Speaker 1: a ton of it, and I looked it up last night.
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Speaker 1: It's a sign of a lot of different things and security, narcissism,
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Speaker 1: those those things. But the self describing has to stop
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Speaker 1: on this season if I'm going to keep watching it.
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Speaker 1: And Cam was one that did it many times. I
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Speaker 1: have a few quotes that I wrote down on my
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Speaker 1: phone watching the episode from Cam last night. One of
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Speaker 1: them was he he quotes himself by saying, I'm a
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Speaker 1: deep person myself. What does that mean? Like, what are
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Speaker 1: you gonna say I'm a shallow person? Who do you
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Speaker 1: know in your life that would have no I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm a really shallow person. I don't really enjoy any
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Speaker 1: type of intellectual conversation. I'm not really about getting to
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Speaker 1: know anybody. I'm just kind of selfish, you know what.
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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, the only thing I think about is me.
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Speaker 1: But Cam likes to say he's a deep person. I
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Speaker 1: don't get what that means. I don't get why he's
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Speaker 1: saying that. That to me is a cringeworthy moment from
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Speaker 1: last episode. And not to hate on Cam, because honestly,
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Speaker 1: the kid's gone, He's he's had his time. We've seen
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Speaker 1: him come and go. I just think there's better ways
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Speaker 1: that he could have handled himself, and I'm sure Bachelor
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Speaker 1: Nation probably agrees. Cam came into this thing as a
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Speaker 1: confident rapper who had a funny side, who was easy going,
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Speaker 1: who we all enjoyed and thought this could be somebody special.
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Speaker 1: Cam's left this now as somebody I don't think we
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Speaker 1: fully ever got to know. He felt like it got
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Speaker 1: forced quickly, and I felt like he came into it
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Speaker 1: believing he was a front runner, which he was, but
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Speaker 1: he soon saw there's other guys involved and he started
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Speaker 1: to have to react to that, and I think it
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Speaker 1: overwhelmed him. I do. Um, so, Cam, you were a
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Speaker 1: captivating figure. You were compelling to the masses. But sorry, buddy,
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Speaker 1: you don't have a rose anymore, and we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to let you go. Moving on, Peter. Peter has been
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Speaker 1: a crowd favorite. He's sweet, he's a pilot. Uh, he's
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Speaker 1: a former child actor. Um, the guy has it going on.
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Speaker 1: I had so many tweets last night about Peter. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's actually kind of amazing. And I was watching the show.
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of tweets from the East Coast.
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Speaker 1: So I was watching it like, Okay, what's Peter gonna
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Speaker 1: do that deserves all these tweets? And honestly, the cool,
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Speaker 1: the kind of the interesting part about Peter, he did
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Speaker 1: nothing to deserve all the tweets that I was seeing
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Speaker 1: about him, except I think just being himself. He seems
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Speaker 1: calm and collected. He seems that like he's doing the
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Speaker 1: thing that that Cam wasn't. He's not describing himself. Um,
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Speaker 1: He's confident enough in who he is to where he's
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Speaker 1: allowing Hannah to see that side of him. He's not
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Speaker 1: being overly aggressive in his compliments of Hannah, So he's
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Speaker 1: not being fake and what he's saying to Hannah, but
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Speaker 1: he's making sure she knows he's interested. I love Harry
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Speaker 1: calls her miss Hannah. B Um, I'm show us at
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Speaker 1: the first time he's called somebody missed something. But it's sweet,
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Speaker 1: it's endearing. Um, it's direct. And what I think that
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Speaker 1: Peters doing that has really separated him from the masses
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Speaker 1: is he's a good listener. A lot of times in
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Speaker 1: this show feels like the guys sit down with Hannah
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Speaker 1: and they just start talking and they start sharing things
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Speaker 1: as fast as they possibly can, and they're never asking
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Speaker 1: any questions and they're never listening to what she has
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Speaker 1: to say. I think Peter is one of the first
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Speaker 1: guys we've seen other than maybe your Jab and those guys,
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Speaker 1: but is really really listening to her. I think Mike
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Speaker 1: did it too. At the very first episode, he asked
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, now the front one runner. I think
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Speaker 1: this guy has some longevity. I think, no matter what,
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Speaker 1: we're going to see him around this franchise for a
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Speaker 1: long time. My prediction is if he's not with Hannah
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Speaker 1: be and we don't see him in Paradise, he will
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Speaker 1: be the next Bachler. I think that's already been decided. Um.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's with Hannah By or not.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be in Paradise or not.
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Speaker 1: But if he doesn't do those two things, I think
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Speaker 1: he would be the next Batchler. I also think Mike's
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Speaker 1: up there in that in that discussion. But those two
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Speaker 1: right now seem like the two front runners um to
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Speaker 1: be the next Batchler or to be a huge figure
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Speaker 1: on Paradise. I'm enjoying following on both. Peter, in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: has done a great job. So we'll send a sandwich.
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Speaker 1: This we want from Cam who's bringing struggling to Peter,
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Speaker 1: who's I think doing great. There's a and favorite right now.
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Speaker 1: So now Luke p Man has this guy taken over
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Speaker 1: the airways. This is two weeks in a row he's
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Speaker 1: been trending on Twitter. Um, neither of which have been
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Speaker 1: for positive things. It's surprising me because he's a good
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Speaker 1: looking guy. At the watch party as that last night,
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Speaker 1: everybody great good looking guy. I think he told him
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Speaker 1: told us that he thought he was a good looking
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Speaker 1: guy on the very first episode. UM. But he seems
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Speaker 1: to be self imploding. I think the guys this season
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Speaker 1: are saying it best. It just seems like Luke is
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Speaker 1: being overwhelmed. It feels like a bomb has gone off
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Speaker 1: in his heart and he's self imploding. He doesn't know
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Speaker 1: how to capture the moment and continue to be himself.
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Speaker 1: It's clear Hannis told him now twice directly, Luke, I
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Speaker 1: want you to know I like you, I like you,
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Speaker 1: believe that, no, that feel that. But no, there's other
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Speaker 1: guys here and no, this is not all about you.
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Speaker 1: And I think what maybe we're seeing because we can
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Speaker 1: judge Luke, we can criticize Luke, we can say that,
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Speaker 1: you know, he says some pretty arrogant things, and he does,
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Speaker 1: but those things can also be out of context. I
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Speaker 1: get that. The one thing that we're seeing with Luke
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Speaker 1: that I think isn't out of context, that I think
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Speaker 1: we're seeing that is probably not great for him in
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Speaker 1: terms of his personality on the show, is that he's very,
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Speaker 1: very inside of his own head. This has became too
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Speaker 1: much too fast, and he believes in his mind that
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Speaker 1: he's the only guy there, that this is his thing
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Speaker 1: to lose, and as a result, he's not processing the
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Speaker 1: fact that Hannah has other men to date, other people,
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Speaker 1: to spend time with, other men to get to know,
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Speaker 1: and Luke, as a result, is trying to always be
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Speaker 1: at the center of her attention. That's just not possible
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Speaker 1: right now on this show. As a bachelor of bachelor,
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Speaker 1: you're managing multiple relationship with multiple people. I would say
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Speaker 1: to any contestant, make it as easy as possible on
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Speaker 1: the lead to do that. Don't be the person that
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Speaker 1: that makes it harder, because ultimately, if you're gonna end
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Speaker 1: up with that person at the end, you're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to be in circumstances where life is difficult, where things
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Speaker 1: are swilling around, and you have to be a good
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Speaker 1: partner that allows the space and the consideration to your
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Speaker 1: partner to manage that and handle that fairly. And right
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Speaker 1: now it feels like Luke is trying to micromanage a
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Speaker 1: situation that he is not invited into micromanaging. This is
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Speaker 1: Hannah's lead, Harry, This Hannah is the lead. This is
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Speaker 1: Hannah's thing to go through, Luke, this is a partnership.
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Speaker 1: I hope at the end that you guys can walk
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Speaker 1: out of this together, but no, until then, you're trusting
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Speaker 1: Hannah to get you there. I don't know if it's
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Speaker 1: harder for men to do that than women, but man,
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Speaker 1: on this show, no that you were gonna have to
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Speaker 1: allow the bachelorette to lead. Caitlin on my seat and
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Speaker 1: did a terrific job at that. I still say that
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Speaker 1: to this day, Caitlin was a great lead because she
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Speaker 1: led well. She allowed us all to have a piece
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Speaker 1: of her life. She allowed us to date her fairly.
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Speaker 1: Um she got also got to know us. But at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Caitlin helped us navigate a
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Speaker 1: process that some want. Sometimes without a good lead feels unnavigable.
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Speaker 1: And Luke t right now is not allowing Hannah by
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Speaker 1: to lead him in this process. And I think outside
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Speaker 1: of everything else, outside of the crazy things he says,
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Speaker 1: outside of how frustrated he gets, outside of how much
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Speaker 1: the guy's in the house Bill seem like him, or
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Speaker 1: the people on Twitter seemed to be reacting against him,
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Speaker 1: this all feels like, in my opinion, it gets solved
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Speaker 1: if he just allows Hannah to lead him in this
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Speaker 1: He takes a little bit of a backseat, knows that
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Speaker 1: she likes him, know that she cares about him. He's
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Speaker 1: confident in both of those things. And then Luke Key continues, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: you're there. I still going to finish this thought, Luke
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Speaker 1: p allows this relationship to flourish, flourish with Hannah be
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Speaker 1: at the center. Actually we just finish talking about first off,
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Speaker 1: welcome back in I know you've had a busy day.
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Speaker 1: I know you've been breaking down the episode of Access.
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Speaker 1: As we talked about the beginning of the podcast. That's
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Speaker 1: what happens when you're talented, sought after person like yourself.
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Speaker 1: But I'm glad that you're back back in here. I
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Speaker 1: want to catch you up a little bit. We just
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Speaker 1: broke down who I thought was the three most captivating
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Speaker 1: figures so far this season. That's Cam, That's Peter, that's
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Speaker 1: Luke p We finished with Luke p here in summary.
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Speaker 1: My thoughts on cam Uh is that he never fully
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Speaker 1: understood himself. This thing was too much, too fast. My
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Speaker 1: thoughts on Peter is that he's confident, he's calm, he's collected,
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Speaker 1: he's a good listener, and as a result, he will
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Speaker 1: go far. Is he well? I want to hear about that.
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Speaker 1: Everybody keeps comparing you guys well, and I want to
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Speaker 1: hear why in a second, because I did get a
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Speaker 1: lot of tweets last night about him, I couldn't exactly
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Speaker 1: figure out why. There wasn't an exact like moment that
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Speaker 1: I watched or an exact tweet that pointed out, oh
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Speaker 1: you know, that kind of reminds me of myself. All
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Speaker 1: I can see about Peter was that he listened well,
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Speaker 1: and then I think he truly cares about getting No Hannah,
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't think Peter is going this is
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Speaker 1: the wife for me, or this is the woman for me.
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Speaker 1: Yet I think he's just going I'm interested in finding
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Speaker 1: that out, which I think is a good approach where
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Speaker 1: I think Cam failed at. And I also just summarized
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Speaker 1: Luke pee and saying the outside of all the crazy
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Speaker 1: things he said ash, outside of all the times he's
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Speaker 1: got angry, outside of the things that Twitter has reacted
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Speaker 1: on negatively, I don't want to get into those things
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Speaker 1: because I think that that is just too critical of
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Speaker 1: who Luke isn't a person, and we don't know that.
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Speaker 1: I think the thing that we can say he's not
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Speaker 1: doing well is I think he isn't allowing Hannah to
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Speaker 1: lead him at all in this process. And I don't
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Speaker 1: think he's trusting Hannah when she says, hey, Luke, I
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Speaker 1: like you be confident in that, but also allow me
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Speaker 1: to navigate this as the batchelor at. I don't think
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Speaker 1: he's trusting that, and as a result, we're seeing him
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Speaker 1: kind of self implode that was my summary of the three.
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Speaker 1: So I think the best move that that he could
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Speaker 1: have made yesterday was to have that in that conversation
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Speaker 1: with her, which was the first of everybody at that
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Speaker 1: group date. And then he should have just taken that information,
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Speaker 1: sat down and be like, Okay, tomorrow's a new day,
21:05
Speaker 1: and by stepping away for a while, this will show
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Speaker 1: her that I listened to what she said. And he
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Speaker 1: did the exact opposite, which was you know, wait and
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Speaker 1: like kind of like stare down for for the next
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Speaker 1: opportunity he could talk. But it was like, no, by
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Speaker 1: you waiting for that next opportunity, you are again doing
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Speaker 1: everything that she just told you not to be doing.
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Speaker 1: So there's two things here, actually I want to ask
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Speaker 1: you about and I want to hear from you listeners please,
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Speaker 1: so emails have been an actually hired me dot com.
21:32
Speaker 1: I agree with you, so either on a good thing.
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Speaker 1: At some level, he cares about this girl so much
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Speaker 1: that he cannot think about leaving a conversation kind of
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Speaker 1: with that undertone of negativity with her, Like understand that completely.
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Speaker 1: As much as I don't like him, I know that
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Speaker 1: watching him, it makes me feel frustrated almost for him
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Speaker 1: because I know how those conversations go, and the worst
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Speaker 1: feeling is living a conversation feeling it like him was
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Speaker 1: unfinished and on a bad note, and all you want
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Speaker 1: to do is go back and try to mend it.
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Speaker 1: So that's on a good note, on a bad note.
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Speaker 1: What I recognize and what I have in my notes
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Speaker 1: here is he And I'm only pointed this because it's
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Speaker 1: some of the things he said. And this will be
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Speaker 1: this will be a verily controversial statement I'm about to make,
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Speaker 1: so so hold on here. He says at one point
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Speaker 1: in this episode that if she was sick and in bed,
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Speaker 1: he would go over there, and even she said leave,
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Speaker 1: he would just currow up in bed next to her
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Speaker 1: because he knows she would want him to actually stay
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Speaker 1: with That points to in my opinion, and please, I
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Speaker 1: want you all to react against me if you don't
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Speaker 1: believe this is the case. In his head, he might
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Speaker 1: believe he is such a gift to this world that
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Speaker 1: no matter if somebody even directly tells him, hey, take
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Speaker 1: a step back, or hey I actually don't want you here,
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Speaker 1: I'm sick right now, I don't feel good, he believes
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Speaker 1: he's such a gift to this world, that his presence
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Speaker 1: is better even if a person doesn't even recognize it.
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Speaker 1: I didn't think about it, but now that you say it,
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Speaker 1: I feel like you're right because he said it right.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he said the direct words. If she was
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Speaker 1: sick and in bed and she and I went over there,
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Speaker 1: even if she told me to leave, I would just
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Speaker 1: curl up in that bed next to her. That's so gross,
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Speaker 1: that's so annoying. I can't imagine being more finding more
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Speaker 1: of a turn off with somebody who like won't let
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Speaker 1: me for my space when I asked for space. I mean, granted, hey,
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Speaker 1: I think Jessica is the best person in the world.
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Speaker 1: I adore that girl, Like every moment I get to
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Speaker 1: spend with her is a good one. I tell you
23:36
Speaker 1: one thing, I've been sick around her. Once. I didn't
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Speaker 1: wander near me, like though I didn't want her even
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Speaker 1: close to me. It was honestly, I asked her go
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Speaker 1: to the other room, or just like, don't talk to
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Speaker 1: me all day. I'm tired, I'm sick, I need space.
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Speaker 1: I just want to be weird and gross alone. She
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Speaker 1: did that, and it was a wonderful gift from her,
23:53
Speaker 1: and I appreciate her more for it. I also think
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Speaker 1: Jessica realized it realized at that moment too that as
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Speaker 1: much as you know she is a gift to my life,
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Speaker 1: Like in those moments, she's not going to make my
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Speaker 1: life that much better other than maybe a little check
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Speaker 1: in do you need soup, do you need water or whatever.
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Speaker 1: It's going to make me feel more self conscious and
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Speaker 1: that's the last thing you want that moment. And so
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Speaker 1: there's two theories there. I think they might both. I
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Speaker 1: think they could both be true. What do you think,
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Speaker 1: Like he might like her that much and he also
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Speaker 1: believes he's that much of a gift. I think he
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Speaker 1: just thinks he's that much of a gift. Isn't it interesting?
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you talked about this yet. How
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Speaker 1: last week he said I'm starting to fall in love
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Speaker 1: with you, and then this week he was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I was about to leave earlier during the group date
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Speaker 1: because I'm not in love with her. Like, wait, wait
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Speaker 1: a second. I know there's a different student being in
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Speaker 1: love and like starting to fall in love, especially on
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Speaker 1: the show, But you're telling me that within like three
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Speaker 1: days because you felt more of a heavy competition and
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Speaker 1: because you weren't getting one of the attention. Now you're
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Speaker 1: just ready to throw in the towel. Weird, right, And
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Speaker 1: also like, is this how his life operating as? People
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Speaker 1: like that? And he might be like that this thing
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Speaker 1: could be just a lot for him, But how much
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Speaker 1: of emotional rollercoaster are you gonna take us through? Just
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Speaker 1: watching you? Like you're only three weeks in, We've seen
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Speaker 1: him falling in love, not falling in love, and wanting
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Speaker 1: to leave and being angry all in three weeks. Like,
25:16
Speaker 1: I feel like I've known Luke p for a full
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Speaker 1: entire season at this point. That's true, He's gotten more
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Speaker 1: screen time than like anyone in three first episodes. And
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Speaker 1: did you talk about how you loved the fact that
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Speaker 1: Hannah totally put him in his place? Though, no, I haven't,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's I think it's fantastic, And I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about that as we break down the episode,
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Speaker 1: which we need to get into one last guy, because
25:37
Speaker 1: I know we're not going to talk about as we
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Speaker 1: break down the episode Ash, but I want to bring
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Speaker 1: up selfishly, if you don't mind, I really liked Grant
25:45
Speaker 1: Grants unemployed. He is the one that like took off
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Speaker 1: his shirt during the photo session. Definitely hasn't worked out
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Speaker 1: like as hard as the other guys, like not in
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Speaker 1: the greatest shape. But the dude is so chill. He's
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Speaker 1: so funny his facial reactions to things, like I was
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Speaker 1: watching last night with my buddies and they're like, that's
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Speaker 1: the guy I want to hang out with. Like that
26:03
Speaker 1: Grant dude, he's just funny to me, Like he just
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Speaker 1: gets it. That's so funny. I didn't give Grant a
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Speaker 1: second thought when you said Grant. I had to You
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Speaker 1: had to say unemployed for me to be able to
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Speaker 1: put a face to the name. I mean, how much
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Speaker 1: confidence do you have to be to be unemployed? Coming
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Speaker 1: on a show and be so laid back and just
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Speaker 1: like cruising where I feel like Grant at some point
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Speaker 1: is going to pull out the popcorn when Luke p
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Speaker 1: or somebody's like self imploding and he's just gonna start
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Speaker 1: watching from a front row seat. He almost reminds me
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Speaker 1: of Tanner during our season of The Bachelor at because
26:37
Speaker 1: Tanner was just the guy that had the up close
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Speaker 1: view of everybody, while at the same time he was
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Speaker 1: never kissing Kaitlin, he never had any death conversation with Kaitlin.
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Speaker 1: He was just watching. Yeah, anyway, can you believe that
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Speaker 1: that scene where tylet Luke gets into Garrett's face later
26:56
Speaker 1: on this season? It's weird to me, right, So I
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Speaker 1: don't get how to handle that, Like what do you
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Speaker 1: where do you think? Like do you think Garrett is
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Speaker 1: in the wrong theory? No, we all know that Garrett
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Speaker 1: probably did nothing. Luke is just gonna lose it. He's
27:11
Speaker 1: just going to continue to lose it every single week.
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Speaker 1: He cannot deal with this environment because I don't even
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Speaker 1: think he's a natural competitive person. He just wants to
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Speaker 1: be given the win. And I wonder, like, as a
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Speaker 1: personality trait, if that's common or like, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: big into the indiogram actually, which you know, rach your
27:33
Speaker 1: personality one to nine. And there has to be something
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Speaker 1: that like Luke p at his best is just super passionate,
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Speaker 1: he has a huge purpose and he's super driven. But
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Speaker 1: it is worst I think we're seeing it now, is
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Speaker 1: where he expects a lot but doesn't necessarily know how
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Speaker 1: to work to get it or like knows the process
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Speaker 1: to get there or wants anybody else helping get him there.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like, right now, we're seeing luke at
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Speaker 1: his worst. I think, I mean, it has to be
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Speaker 1: like he has to be at his worst right now.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well no, he could get worse. I think
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Speaker 1: he can get worse. So here's the question for everybody
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Speaker 1: out there listening and you Ashley right, is is there
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Speaker 1: is Luke P have a redemption story like on Paradise
28:16
Speaker 1: right He's a big muscular guy, Like he's obviously like,
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Speaker 1: you know, attractive, at least he told us he was, Like,
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Speaker 1: is there a redemption story for Luke P? Or is
28:27
Speaker 1: this kind of one of those scenarios maybe like the
28:29
Speaker 1: Chads of the world, that we see Luke P kind
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Speaker 1: of leave the Bachelor franchise on a note that's confusing
28:37
Speaker 1: a little bit weird, and that he definitely has never
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Speaker 1: showed us his best life because at this point we
28:42
Speaker 1: haven't seen a side of luke P that at least Twitter,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm reading right now, Twitter hasn't reacted positively
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Speaker 1: luke P yet. So being that, I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: ahead and assume he doesn't win this thing, I think
28:56
Speaker 1: we're all praying he doesn't win this thing. So assuming
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Speaker 1: he's not winning this thing, I definitely expect him in Paradise,
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Speaker 1: So I don't think he's gonna be done with the franchise.
29:05
Speaker 1: I think with Chad, Chad went to Paradise, probably was
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Speaker 1: hoping to redeem himself, but then just got into deeper poop.
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Speaker 1: And I think that the same thing is going to
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Speaker 1: happen with Luca. But then again, remember last year's villain
29:19
Speaker 1: with Becca, it was Chris. And now Chris win to Paradise.
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Speaker 1: He still then' look the best in Paradise for the
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Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, and then he ended up getting
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Speaker 1: engaged to Crystal and now you know they're engaged, had
29:31
Speaker 1: been together for a year. So it could be like that.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that Chris. Chris was like just
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Speaker 1: such a self sabotager. But like Chris didn't evoke this
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Speaker 1: like super anger that he Chris was a villain to
29:48
Speaker 1: himself kind of, Yeah, Chris is more of a villain
29:51
Speaker 1: to himself. Luke is more of a valaent to like
29:53
Speaker 1: all of humanity. Yeah, and we, I mean we've always
29:58
Speaker 1: said this, like I hope there's redemption here, Like we
30:01
Speaker 1: I just hate to see what's happening, you know, with
30:02
Speaker 1: the cams of the world. Cam's now gone, and I
30:05
Speaker 1: felt like we never got to see a side of
30:07
Speaker 1: him that Cam would want us to see. Um. Speaking
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Speaker 1: of that, actually, I promised our listeners that I would
30:13
Speaker 1: pause at this point and asked going back to Cam's story, like,
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Speaker 1: does he it was his leg amputated? I mean, I'm okay,
30:23
Speaker 1: so what happened? So a year ago on his Instagram
30:28
Speaker 1: he talked about how his leg was almost amputated, how
30:31
Speaker 1: you had to have thirteen surgeries on it, how he
30:33
Speaker 1: has lymphidema um. So they basically thought he was going
30:38
Speaker 1: to get to the point of his leg needed to
30:39
Speaker 1: be amputated, but then the doctors were able to like
30:41
Speaker 1: fix it amazingly. Okay has a leg? It was definitely
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Speaker 1: unclear though based on the episode. Okay, yeah, I just
30:51
Speaker 1: couldn't quite track it. But anyways, okay, ash Uh. We
30:54
Speaker 1: decided we hope Lupe has redemption. We hope it happens
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Speaker 1: on this season, and if it doesn't, we hope it
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Speaker 1: happens on Paradise. I think Cam, um, we really wish
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Speaker 1: that upon him as well, because both people so far
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Speaker 1: as kind of more Yeah, I agree, but we we
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Speaker 1: you know, like both seem to be going down a
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Speaker 1: path of just like negativity and of like the public's
31:17
Speaker 1: perception of them not being good and as a result,
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Speaker 1: like you never want that Cam doesn't. He doesn't. I
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Speaker 1: just don't think he knows right now how to handle
31:26
Speaker 1: this thing well. And so we hope for redemption. We're
31:29
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing. I think that's mebe the storyline. Actually,
31:33
Speaker 1: I'm most intrigued by going the rest of Hannah by season,
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Speaker 1: not only her love story and who she's connecting with,
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Speaker 1: but also does Luke p find redemption because right now,
31:43
Speaker 1: according to Twitter, he needs it? And does Cam come
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Speaker 1: on Paradise at all? And we get to know Cam better,
31:50
Speaker 1: we know that Cam is gonna definitely be on Paradise.
31:53
Speaker 1: He's like a shoe in for Paradise. He reminds me
31:55
Speaker 1: of David the Chicken. He's like this season, very nervous,
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Speaker 1: talked too much, talked himself into like problems, and now
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Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to go on Paradise and
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Speaker 1: be a lot like David and just do the exact
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Speaker 1: same thing over again. But I don't think he's a
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Speaker 1: bad guy. I just think he's nervous, and like that
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Speaker 1: appears in this environment on TV a certain way. I
32:18
Speaker 1: also think we cannot move beyond Cam without talking about
32:22
Speaker 1: who looked way worse than Cam, and that was Jonathan
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Speaker 1: when he interrupted Cam and he was like, no, it's okay,
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Speaker 1: I got it. No, I got you, Bro, I got you.
32:31
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, it's I got it. We're going,
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Speaker 1: We're going. I'm like, are you kidding right now? I
32:35
Speaker 1: thought he was. I thought it was such a gross moment.
32:39
Speaker 1: He physically he physically interrupted, like he got in between them. Yeah. Well,
32:46
Speaker 1: I mean but at the same time, no, no excuses
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Speaker 1: for that. You thought, how would you so Jonathan should
32:54
Speaker 1: have asked for time? Cam says, can I get two
32:57
Speaker 1: more minutes? Jonathan then steps away politely and as for
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Speaker 1: those two minutes and not get like that's the way
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Speaker 1: to handle that. Yeah, okay, that's fair, I get it.
33:07
Speaker 1: It was a weird moment to watch. I don't know,
33:09
Speaker 1: I didn't quite I was kind of like more just
33:12
Speaker 1: awkward for both people. Like I just felt like it
33:16
Speaker 1: was odd. It was actually the first time that in
33:18
Speaker 1: this season that I think Hannah hasn't stood up in
33:22
Speaker 1: a situation. I was just saying that over at access.
33:25
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the first time where she
33:27
Speaker 1: wasn't like you guys, you're behaving so disgustingly, because that's
33:31
Speaker 1: what I would imagine. It'd be like you gross stop right,
33:34
Speaker 1: But that was the only time to let it go
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Speaker 1: for some reason. Yeah, it was weird. So I don't
33:39
Speaker 1: know if it was just too much, too fast, and
33:40
Speaker 1: she was more like sitting there entertained. Actually, these guys
33:44
Speaker 1: are both going home and this is wild and weird. Um,
33:48
Speaker 1: she could have because they both went home, But it
33:51
Speaker 1: was the first time that I thought she didn't stand
33:53
Speaker 1: up in a situation she should have or could have.
33:55
Speaker 1: Would be my first critique of her. Um As, I
33:58
Speaker 1: want to break down this episode, be broken down the
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Speaker 1: guys that stand out. I don't want um if you
34:04
Speaker 1: don't mind leading us through this episode pointing out the
34:09
Speaker 1: most important moments, because, as I said at the being
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Speaker 1: the podcast, Ashley Uh, for the first time in a
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Speaker 1: long time, I'm super engaged and intrigued by this season.
34:19
Speaker 1: I think Hannaby is doing a great job. I think
34:21
Speaker 1: the guys are not only interesting and um, I'm super
34:26
Speaker 1: captivated by a lot of them, but I also just
34:28
Speaker 1: believe that this story is just like the story of
34:31
Speaker 1: Hannah Bey and her men are just now starting, and
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Speaker 1: so let's continue the next chapter, episode three with your
34:37
Speaker 1: breakdown in my side comments right now. Alright, let's start
34:42
Speaker 1: at the top of our notes. The first day is
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Speaker 1: with Jonathan Mateo, John Paul Jones, Kevin, Jed Tyler see
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Speaker 1: Mike and cam Let's push Our Love to the Limit
34:52
Speaker 1: was written on the date card and there were special
34:55
Speaker 1: guests Jason Biggs and his wife Jenny Mullen, who used
34:59
Speaker 1: to be the co host of After Paradise, and what
35:03
Speaker 1: they had to do on this date was changed. Some
35:05
Speaker 1: baby diapers, wear, some fake baby bellies, soothed fake babies.
35:10
Speaker 1: But then we got to the real fun of it
35:12
Speaker 1: and they had to do a pregnancy simulator. Jade and
35:15
Speaker 1: I are always talking about how we want Jared and
35:17
Speaker 1: Tanner to do this. It's I think that every guy
35:21
Speaker 1: should go through this, and they even say that, of course,
35:23
Speaker 1: this can't really simulate the kind of pain that you
35:25
Speaker 1: actually go through with labor um. So Kevin volunteered to
35:29
Speaker 1: go first. He did, okay. John Paul Jones was dying hilarious,
35:36
Speaker 1: like his facial expression. He's amazing. I can watch him
35:40
Speaker 1: do anything. Is he amazing because actually, sorry to interrupt
35:45
Speaker 1: you here, but is he amazing because he's like datable
35:49
Speaker 1: and like you think women are like into him because
35:51
Speaker 1: I don't know this side. Because he's a good looking
35:52
Speaker 1: guy or handsome. He's actually underratedly handsome in this sponge,
35:56
Speaker 1: I think, but I think because he is so silly
35:59
Speaker 1: that he comes crosses like your best guy friend and
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Speaker 1: like the guy that you like to watch because he's
36:03
Speaker 1: so entertaining. He's like the class clown. But I don't
36:07
Speaker 1: know that he is showing himself in any way to
36:09
Speaker 1: be like Nah's husband. Yeah, okay, fair enough, perfect Paradise character. Okay,
36:16
Speaker 1: fair enough. I like that. I mean I just didn't know.
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Speaker 1: Because he is good looking, he is funny. I hear
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Speaker 1: people talk aboutim a lot, and I was like, do
36:22
Speaker 1: you think in Paradise he has a hook up or
36:25
Speaker 1: a relationship or is he just going to be everybody's
36:27
Speaker 1: best friend and leave early? Um? I think he should
36:31
Speaker 1: bounce around so that we get to see him date
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, so we get to see as
36:36
Speaker 1: much screen time from Jumpbols as possible. Um, let's see.
36:43
Speaker 1: I loved Jed in that scene actually looked like they
36:47
Speaker 1: were a couple about to have a child. Oh yeah, definitely,
36:52
Speaker 1: it's it was so cute. There's like a lot of
36:55
Speaker 1: emotion there, and then she pulled him away. First the
36:59
Speaker 1: cocktail party, I know that, I know that she gave
37:02
Speaker 1: Mike the rose there, but that was just one of
37:04
Speaker 1: those group dates where she was like, I know, I
37:06
Speaker 1: can't give Jed the rose again. But and I really
37:09
Speaker 1: had a nice conversation with Mike. But Jed definitely is
37:12
Speaker 1: the top of my list in this bunch. What do
37:14
Speaker 1: you think so and this bunch as in this first date?
37:17
Speaker 1: But un yeah, I think so. I mean, I think
37:23
Speaker 1: Jed has some longevity to him. I don't I haven't
37:27
Speaker 1: seen the charisma from him as much as just like
37:29
Speaker 1: I think he's a kind guy. I think he's a
37:31
Speaker 1: good guy, and he's a good listener, and I think
37:33
Speaker 1: he intrigues Hannah. I haven't seen the kind of charisma
37:37
Speaker 1: from him that maybe will be ever last thing on
37:41
Speaker 1: this show. Like, I don't know if he's going to
37:43
Speaker 1: show himself to Hannah enough. But yeah, he's definitely the
37:46
Speaker 1: favorite of his first group. So Mike opens up about
37:50
Speaker 1: his past with his ex his ex got pregnant, and
37:53
Speaker 1: he said that he was all in, you know, he
37:55
Speaker 1: was totally excited to be a dad. The end up
38:00
Speaker 1: using the baby in the in the second trimester. And
38:03
Speaker 1: what I was so confused about this scene is I
38:06
Speaker 1: feel like something either was interrupted out like cam In
38:10
Speaker 1: truly interrupted the scene and we didn't get to see
38:13
Speaker 1: We didn't get to see the conclusion of the conversation. Um,
38:17
Speaker 1: Hannah just forgot to ask this question, or um it
38:22
Speaker 1: was added it out. But I was really wondering why
38:26
Speaker 1: he blamed himself for the loss of the baby. He said,
38:29
Speaker 1: it was my fault. I wasn't there enough that you know,
38:34
Speaker 1: there's that that is a topic that obviously, like you said,
38:37
Speaker 1: we just didn't see enough to like assume or even
38:40
Speaker 1: make a sense want to make assumptions. But it was
38:44
Speaker 1: definitely left open ended. I would my takeaway from that,
38:48
Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, was that he felt some
38:51
Speaker 1: level of gil afterwards for the emotional support that he
38:55
Speaker 1: was not giving during the struggle of pregnant pregnancy. Um.
39:00
Speaker 1: You know, because as a man, you you don't feel
39:04
Speaker 1: the emotions of pregnancy as much, and you can distance
39:07
Speaker 1: yourself if you choose to from it, and I wonder
39:10
Speaker 1: if maybe he did because of other circumstances, and now
39:15
Speaker 1: he's feeling a guilt and remorse from that um and
39:18
Speaker 1: he's admitting it to Hannah, which it takes a big
39:21
Speaker 1: man to admit a huge failure like that. That's my assumption.
39:24
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true. Yeah, there's lots of
39:26
Speaker 1: ways it could go. I do feel like he um
39:30
Speaker 1: He expressed how excited he was for it, so I
39:32
Speaker 1: wonder why he wouldn't have been there. You know, he
39:35
Speaker 1: even said that he had this whole proposal set up
39:37
Speaker 1: for anyway. Yeah, we we will possibly learn how learn
39:41
Speaker 1: about that more later in the season, but for some reason,
39:44
Speaker 1: feel like a doubt it's going to come up again.
39:46
Speaker 1: We'll see um Camp pulls her aside all those zillions
39:51
Speaker 1: of times during this date, and we already talked about
39:55
Speaker 1: the whole Jonathan interruption. That is basically all I have
39:59
Speaker 1: to say about that group date. Then we go into Connor,
40:03
Speaker 1: who has the one on one of the week, and
40:06
Speaker 1: I'm kind of excited that next week we get to
40:08
Speaker 1: see two one on ones because big group dates two
40:11
Speaker 1: of them an episode and get kind of overwhelming. But
40:14
Speaker 1: Connor gets the group the solo date this week, but
40:18
Speaker 1: she's not feeling good. It seems like she was like
40:20
Speaker 1: under some super high stress because I don't even think
40:23
Speaker 1: that she was like sick with the flu or anything.
40:25
Speaker 1: I think she was like extremely dehydrated. Um. So they go.
40:30
Speaker 1: So they end up having a date at her hotel room,
40:33
Speaker 1: and it was it was sweet. I actually think that
40:36
Speaker 1: even if he was only there for about an hour,
40:38
Speaker 1: they probably got to know each other more in that
40:40
Speaker 1: hour just lying there in bed. Then they would have
40:44
Speaker 1: gotten to know each other if they were on some
40:47
Speaker 1: high adrenaline date. Do you agree, Yeah, yeah, you know.
40:52
Speaker 1: In my opinion, to summarize this date, there wasn't a
40:54
Speaker 1: lot here more than the fact that they got to
40:56
Speaker 1: spend time together. He was super sweet. We saw that.
41:00
Speaker 1: I think the key moment actually that I want to
41:02
Speaker 1: talk about um and then we can move on to
41:05
Speaker 1: the group day because there just wasn't a lot here.
41:07
Speaker 1: It wasn't much. I don't have anything to say about
41:10
Speaker 1: it is the fact that he was expressing. Why aren't
41:14
Speaker 1: we giving him a hard time for expressing that he
41:16
Speaker 1: is falling in love with Hannah by writing these notes
41:20
Speaker 1: to her, Because we'll give Luke p Uh, some just
41:26
Speaker 1: criticism for thank he was falling a letter to her, Yeah,
41:31
Speaker 1: he let in a letter to her. He ended it
41:33
Speaker 1: with love Connor, here are the things I love about
41:36
Speaker 1: Love Connor is not the same as I'm starting to
41:39
Speaker 1: fall in love with you. Really really, I signed love Ashley.
41:44
Speaker 1: If like it's a friend, even if it's like like
41:49
Speaker 1: a quint An acquaintance friend. Also like the things I
41:53
Speaker 1: love about you also not the same as I'm falling
41:56
Speaker 1: in love with you. Yeah, I love you. Don't know, Yeah,
42:02
Speaker 1: I get it. I I just saw it and I
42:04
Speaker 1: was like, m I think we need to approach it. Finally,
42:06
Speaker 1: we'll just bring it up. We know nothing about it.
42:09
Speaker 1: Tyler g was sit home. We really don't know why
42:11
Speaker 1: or how, but it is important to know if anybody's
42:13
Speaker 1: wondering where in the heck of Tyler go? He's home now. Uh,
42:16
Speaker 1: And we don't have a lot of context around that
42:18
Speaker 1: to even speak on. Move it on now, Ashley to
42:21
Speaker 1: group date number two with Dylan Garrett, Luke, p Grant, Lucas,
42:25
Speaker 1: Pete Devon, Joey, Um, Joey. Who is Joey. I'm sure
42:32
Speaker 1: there is a Joey. I just truly don't know. I
42:34
Speaker 1: don't know if I even know who I think. I
42:37
Speaker 1: don't know who Joey is either. Um, that's probably not
42:42
Speaker 1: this week, So that's why we don't know who. I
42:45
Speaker 1: don't think, poor guy. That's always sad when you see
42:49
Speaker 1: these guys on the show and they give up so
42:51
Speaker 1: much time and then they watch every episode probably with
42:53
Speaker 1: their families, like oh, I'm on the Bachelorette and oh
42:56
Speaker 1: and then you watch you like I actually never said
42:57
Speaker 1: a word. Um, like I know, like was never there? Okay? Um, Actually,
43:07
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to keep our listeners around
43:09
Speaker 1: too much longer because I know we've we've overwhelmed them
43:11
Speaker 1: with podcasts recently. So still see through this one. Um
43:15
Speaker 1: there was It was an interesting day. The faster continues
43:19
Speaker 1: to come back to the pictures of the animals thing.
43:21
Speaker 1: I think it's funny, I think it's weird. I think
43:24
Speaker 1: I think you could fast forward this part of the day,
43:27
Speaker 1: this part of the episode, and you probably wouldn't have
43:29
Speaker 1: missed a thing. They even teased up the whole Demi
43:33
Speaker 1: surveillance camera thing again, and I was very excited for
43:36
Speaker 1: her to catch a guy, and I really I was
43:38
Speaker 1: kind of dying for the drama of her catching luke
43:42
Speaker 1: P saying something stupid, but they cut nothing. You could
43:45
Speaker 1: have fast forward to this of teen minutes and not
43:47
Speaker 1: lost the thing. I agree, No, I think you're exactly right.
43:51
Speaker 1: So let's do it. Let's fast forward these fifteen minutes.
43:53
Speaker 1: Say that it was funny, it's worth watching, it's entertaining. Um,
43:57
Speaker 1: it's somewhat cute, but really we need to get down
44:00
Speaker 1: to the nitty gritty, which is at the cocktail party
44:03
Speaker 1: that evening or the after party, we see luke P really,
44:08
Speaker 1: I mean, all we get to really see is luke
44:10
Speaker 1: Pe self employing. Obviously, we as we talked about the
44:13
Speaker 1: beginning of the episode, we see pilot pete Um really
44:17
Speaker 1: kind of crushing it and becoming a fan favorite. I
44:19
Speaker 1: think favorite why you're like him? Agreed, Um, So let's
44:25
Speaker 1: do that now, and then I want to talk to
44:27
Speaker 1: you Ashley about just we've we've overdone it now, but
44:31
Speaker 1: just where you think this goes from here? And then
44:34
Speaker 1: let's move it into the tailgate party, because we've honestly
44:36
Speaker 1: talked a lot about luke P and his self implosion
44:39
Speaker 1: and why he's self imploding. But I do want to know.
44:41
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. Why do you think people are comparing me
44:45
Speaker 1: to Pilot Pete? You have like a natural innocence about
44:48
Speaker 1: you both, So I don't know if you, as a
44:50
Speaker 1: guy like love. Do you like that? I don't think. So.
44:56
Speaker 1: Actually have a mustache right now that I'm rocking from
44:58
Speaker 1: a camping weekend, and I feel like it does allow
45:01
Speaker 1: me to get a little bit tougher. So any innocence
45:03
Speaker 1: I had last week is gone now because this mustache
45:07
Speaker 1: makes me a bad boy. Okay, okay, you also have
45:11
Speaker 1: some boyish charm. You have definitely the same type of
45:15
Speaker 1: boyish charm. You have quite a physical resemblance. It's pretty crazy.
45:20
Speaker 1: He just has lighter hair than you. And then I
45:24
Speaker 1: think that it's the way you both listen and engage,
45:29
Speaker 1: because when you listen to somebody and and when you
45:33
Speaker 1: ask questions, you like truly want to know, You want
45:36
Speaker 1: to get deep, you want to know about them, You
45:39
Speaker 1: really care. It's just something about the way that he
45:42
Speaker 1: looks at her is kind of the way that you
45:44
Speaker 1: would look at your girls, truly caring. Good listener. There
45:51
Speaker 1: you go, So, I mean outside, that's really sweet of you,
45:55
Speaker 1: and it's great to be compared to this guy, because
45:57
Speaker 1: I do think he's he's carry himself well and I
45:59
Speaker 1: do enjoy watching him. If he's the next Bachelor, I
46:04
Speaker 1: think he's not there for it if he's not with Hannah. Okay,
46:09
Speaker 1: I like, you know all the things you said, if
46:13
Speaker 1: it's something that I have or not. There are kind
46:16
Speaker 1: things and they're good things to have and and qualities
46:19
Speaker 1: that I think we should all try to hold on to.
46:21
Speaker 1: But I do think Pilot Pete, he said something that
46:25
Speaker 1: stands out is the one character there in this season
46:28
Speaker 1: that has other than Mike. I think Mike has done
46:30
Speaker 1: a good job at this as well as really engaged
46:34
Speaker 1: into getting to know Hannah well. And as a result,
46:37
Speaker 1: it's fun for me to watch their interaction because I
46:39
Speaker 1: learned more about Hannah during it, and I also learn
46:42
Speaker 1: more about a guy that she I think doesn't even
46:44
Speaker 1: know how infatuated she is with him yet, but I
46:46
Speaker 1: think she's really infatuated. Yeah, he he won her over
46:51
Speaker 1: last night. I think he became a front runner last night.
46:54
Speaker 1: I can tell you when I talked to her during
46:56
Speaker 1: her week four of filming that she had rs in
47:00
Speaker 1: her eyes talking about Pete. So I'm not like expoiling
47:03
Speaker 1: or anything. Because I talked to her right after this
47:06
Speaker 1: rose ceremony that we saw last night, and she just
47:09
Speaker 1: could not stop talking. She was like she could stop
47:12
Speaker 1: talking about Peter. She had like other guys that she
47:14
Speaker 1: was talking about. She told me that she was really
47:16
Speaker 1: into Luke and Jed. No surprise there, but she said
47:20
Speaker 1: that during week three Peter really um she he really
47:26
Speaker 1: just like left her with a good feeling after that
47:28
Speaker 1: week when he pushed her against that wall and made
47:30
Speaker 1: out with her, it made quite a big effect. What
47:34
Speaker 1: a move. Never failure to push somebody up against the
47:36
Speaker 1: wall and just make out with them. Yeah, it's really
47:38
Speaker 1: always a good when you're in a cordially dating relations
47:41
Speaker 1: you can only go wrong. You can't go wrong with
47:45
Speaker 1: it if it's mutual anyway. Actually, yeah, we need to
47:48
Speaker 1: move on now, because let's set up the scene here.
47:50
Speaker 1: Hannah's had a huge week. There's been some sickness, some stress.
47:54
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is when exhaustion starts to
47:57
Speaker 1: take over. Chris Saterson has the idea of hey, of
48:03
Speaker 1: just like, hey, let's relax, Like, let's let Hannah kick
48:06
Speaker 1: her feet up and rest and relax and enjoy a
48:10
Speaker 1: time with her guys. And this is where I think Cam,
48:14
Speaker 1: Um I said at the beginning of the podcast, and
48:16
Speaker 1: I want to hear actually, if you agree to disagree,
48:18
Speaker 1: it's not the content of uh Cam's story that is
48:23
Speaker 1: a little bit frustrating at all, because it's a it's
48:26
Speaker 1: his story, and his story is powerful and it should
48:28
Speaker 1: be told and should be told often. And it's the
48:31
Speaker 1: context of when he told it that was a little frustrating,
48:34
Speaker 1: because it's a week that she's trying to relax and
48:37
Speaker 1: he feels like he has his last ditch efforts, so
48:39
Speaker 1: let's tell her a story. Um. And it just felt
48:42
Speaker 1: like the timing of this was sad because I thought
48:44
Speaker 1: Hannah was really gonna have an evening just to rest
48:47
Speaker 1: and have fun. It's always week three that these rose
48:50
Speaker 1: ceremony cocktail parties are canceled and there's a barbecue pool party.
48:54
Speaker 1: Is this interesting? It's always weak three, um, Cam, Definitely.
48:59
Speaker 1: I mean, what did you feel. I don't know if
49:01
Speaker 1: you talked about this yet, but how do you feel
49:03
Speaker 1: about him telling the group that he really wanted to
49:05
Speaker 1: go first have his alone time with her and um
49:09
Speaker 1: tell her a sad story or something very important about
49:13
Speaker 1: himself early on. How do you know about him claiming
49:15
Speaker 1: the time I'm gonna I have a couple of buddies
49:18
Speaker 1: like Cam. Um what I think Cam did? I think
49:22
Speaker 1: his intentions were good. I think he was actually, like,
49:25
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, maybe a self aware of person because
49:28
Speaker 1: Cam is obviously self describing himself through this whole show.
49:31
Speaker 1: So Cam and I aren't getting along if he came
49:32
Speaker 1: on the podcast right now, I tell him, you self
49:34
Speaker 1: describe yourself like the Chicken man, like over and over
49:37
Speaker 1: and over again. And as a result, we've got to
49:39
Speaker 1: confront that and talk about it. Like, I've got to
49:41
Speaker 1: help him. I don't know if I can't help him.
49:44
Speaker 1: I just got to help him figure this out because
49:45
Speaker 1: self describing is not gonna work if I'm gonna watch
49:48
Speaker 1: paradig But anyways, bad Ben. When he said I'm a
49:51
Speaker 1: deep person and then he referred to MF my third person,
49:54
Speaker 1: he referred to himself the person I'm a deep person.
49:59
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing could make I mean you know that
50:01
Speaker 1: everybody out there listening knows this. And I'm on my
50:03
Speaker 1: couch like, oh, like stick to my stomach. But I
50:06
Speaker 1: think what Cam should have said that the guys was, hey,
50:08
Speaker 1: I have a story that means a lot to me
50:09
Speaker 1: that it's made me and define me to be the
50:11
Speaker 1: man I am today, and the man I am today
50:13
Speaker 1: is some one that Canada doesn't fully know yet, and
50:16
Speaker 1: she doesn't know like the recent things I have gone through.
50:18
Speaker 1: And as a result, gents, I would love the time
50:22
Speaker 1: before the even this date even starts, to be able
50:24
Speaker 1: to tell her about this, because I think it's only
50:26
Speaker 1: fair to me and her that she knows this side
50:29
Speaker 1: of me, because if not, I don't make sense unless
50:31
Speaker 1: she knows this piece of me. I think it's how
50:33
Speaker 1: he framed it by saying I want to tell her
50:36
Speaker 1: a sad story, or even in his mind believing that
50:40
Speaker 1: it's a sad story, because I don't know if it
50:43
Speaker 1: is our stories and anybody that they're listening, your story
50:46
Speaker 1: is not a sad story. There's pain in those stories
50:49
Speaker 1: and their stories that aren't ideal. But your story is
50:52
Speaker 1: one of power and one that you should stand on.
50:54
Speaker 1: It is your platform, and none of us should judge
50:56
Speaker 1: you to the each other for the stories that we have.
50:59
Speaker 1: And I think by him framing in this context of
51:01
Speaker 1: my story is a sad story or it's a sadder
51:04
Speaker 1: story than most is where he went wrong. He definitely
51:08
Speaker 1: messed up there, and I think there was a genuine
51:11
Speaker 1: misunderstanding between him and Mike because Mike went on to
51:14
Speaker 1: later tell Hannah that Cam wanted a pity rose and
51:19
Speaker 1: told the guys he was going for a pity rose.
51:21
Speaker 1: But based on what we saw, he never said I'm
51:24
Speaker 1: going for a pity rose. I think Mike just like
51:28
Speaker 1: took his words and kind of formulated it into that
51:31
Speaker 1: um but on. So I'm defending Cam there. But if
51:36
Speaker 1: Cam did truly want to talk about his lymphedema and
51:39
Speaker 1: the fact that he almost had his leg amputated, which
51:42
Speaker 1: I think is an important story to tell somebody, you know,
51:46
Speaker 1: early on in a relationship, I don't think he necessarily
51:49
Speaker 1: had to add that his grandma passed away during you know,
51:54
Speaker 1: the surgery time, and that he had to keep up
51:56
Speaker 1: with ten months old puppy that he was raising. Like
51:59
Speaker 1: that just made it seemed like he was trying to
52:01
Speaker 1: tell us ob story for a pitty rose. But I
52:04
Speaker 1: think that was just Cam and his word vomit. He
52:07
Speaker 1: I think then in some way he was like, all right,
52:10
Speaker 1: she may feel a bit more bad for me if
52:12
Speaker 1: I continue with this part of the story and that
52:14
Speaker 1: part of the story. But it also could have been
52:16
Speaker 1: Cam word vomit. I don't know, trying to give him
52:19
Speaker 1: benefit of doubt. Yeah, I mean I think that, like
52:22
Speaker 1: you said that, he just gets overwhelmed, He gets jittery,
52:25
Speaker 1: he starts talking, and he doesn't know exactly what he's
52:27
Speaker 1: saying either way, Like cam story is one that does
52:32
Speaker 1: make him make more sense, Like it is a powerful story, UM,
52:36
Speaker 1: that we should know about him, especially if he's building
52:38
Speaker 1: this relation with Hannah. I just think it's when he
52:40
Speaker 1: told her was at one problem because it's at a
52:42
Speaker 1: tailgate party when she's supposed to be having fun. And
52:45
Speaker 1: I think it's how he told it that made it
52:47
Speaker 1: all As listeners go and and well, come on, Cam,
52:50
Speaker 1: like a little too much. Uh probably could have be
52:53
Speaker 1: framed up a little differently and what are you trying
52:56
Speaker 1: to get out of this? Um? And that's I think
52:59
Speaker 1: a big part of why he went home. It was
53:00
Speaker 1: too much, it was too weird. And now Cam has
53:04
Speaker 1: gone along with Jonathan Joey Cam and obviously the tyler
53:08
Speaker 1: G who we don't know a lot about, is now
53:10
Speaker 1: out of the picture. UM. Ashley close up the podcast
53:15
Speaker 1: I love doing this with you starting about this week.
53:18
Speaker 1: Who's your top three? What's your grade for Hannah, and
53:20
Speaker 1: what's your grade on the entire season so far? My
53:24
Speaker 1: grade for the season is like a B two B
53:29
Speaker 1: plus and then my grade for Hannah as an I,
53:34
Speaker 1: and then my top three are Peter, Jed, and Well,
53:45
Speaker 1: I guess right now, I'm going to have to say
53:47
Speaker 1: Luke is ahead in Hannah's eyes. Oh that's surprising to me.
53:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go saying grades as you do. In my
53:56
Speaker 1: top three, I've got to throw my boy Grant in
53:59
Speaker 1: there just I don't think you're gonna make it much farther,
54:01
Speaker 1: but I gotta give that guy some some maritime I
54:03
Speaker 1: get dude as a as a solid yere right now. UM.
54:07
Speaker 1: I do think Peter and Jeff Jet are definitely UM
54:11
Speaker 1: up there as well, so Ashley. I think it's a
54:14
Speaker 1: great breakdown, another good episode from Hannah by We're surprised, impressed,
54:19
Speaker 1: and in love with Hannah by um, and let's just
54:23
Speaker 1: keep pumping out. I told the face, I told the
54:24
Speaker 1: listeners about all the in depth episodes we have coming
54:27
Speaker 1: up that we already had. If you guys don't know
54:30
Speaker 1: the UM Hannah in Depth was released on Saturday, so
54:34
Speaker 1: go check that out, and last week we also released
54:37
Speaker 1: the Caitlin Bristow in Depth. Those are two terrific ones
54:41
Speaker 1: that you pulled off on your own, ash super talents. Hey,
54:45
Speaker 1: I gotta say, Mike's probably up there. I'm gonna take
54:47
Speaker 1: out Grant. I think Mike. I'm just looking at my
54:48
Speaker 1: notes here. I think Mike is definitely. We could slip
54:52
Speaker 1: Connor in there. Jeez, there's a lot of them right now. Anyways, Hey,
54:56
Speaker 1: ash we gotta keep bringing down these guys. It's gonna
54:58
Speaker 1: be an interesting season in I'm gonna talk to you,
55:01
Speaker 1: Ashley keep I know you're a busy girl. You've got
55:03
Speaker 1: a lot of breakdowns to do, a lot of breakdowns. Um,
55:07
Speaker 1: So get out of here. Let's let's go and enjoy
55:10
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