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Why Do These Dems Hate Thanksgiving? · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 2: and Jim Garritty of National Review.
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Speaker 3: Three Martini's coming up, So.
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Speaker 4: Glad you're with us for the Wednesday edition of the
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Speaker 4: Three Martini Lunch. And Jim, let's dive into a story
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Speaker 4: that's been out there for a couple of days, but
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Speaker 4: in today's Morning Joel, you really are able to dive
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Speaker 4: into it. And that's the Air Force one saga from
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Speaker 4: last month in Turkey, where there was a security threat
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Speaker 4: and the President did not go back on the plane
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Speaker 4: that everyone thought he was going back on. He went
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Speaker 4: to the summit, flew for the first time on the
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Speaker 4: new Katari made Air Force one. Then there was a
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Speaker 4: security threat, so they made it seem as though he
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Speaker 4: was going back on the old Air Force one. But
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Speaker 4: they also decided not to send him back on that one,
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Speaker 4: and through a catering truck, they took him off of
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Speaker 4: that plane put him onto a third plane. And now
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Speaker 4: some of the consternation is coming from the media who
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Speaker 4: were on the old Air Force one didn't know what
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Speaker 4: the President wasn't And there's a bunch of staffers in
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Speaker 4: including Secretary Rubio, Secretary Bessett, and other's pretty high ranking
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Speaker 4: officials who also stayed on that plane, and now they're
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Speaker 4: feeling like they were the decoy, for lack of a
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Speaker 4: better term. And so the argument, of course is that
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Speaker 4: the Secret Service is with protecting the president and you
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Speaker 4: can't tell everyone or else it's not going to be
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Speaker 4: a secret anymore. Other people are saying that this was
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Speaker 4: not fair to the people on board the old Air
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Speaker 4: Force one, and of course then there's the issue about
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Speaker 4: the Katari plane itself. So what's your take on all this?
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Speaker 3: Well, I hate to live down to one of Mike cliches,
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Speaker 3: but Greg, there genuinely is a lot to unpack here.
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Speaker 3: Let us begin by noting that the single most important
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Speaker 3: location in the world is Anchor, a Turkey, where I
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Speaker 3: live for two years. Now it's important, now, it's really relevant.
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Speaker 3: And actually, you know, I've flown through that airport a
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Speaker 3: bunch of times, and I realized that there were some
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Speaker 3: things that I knew that might be relevant today's story. So,
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Speaker 3: first of all, I think we should begin by saying,
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Speaker 3: the job of the US Secret Service is to protect
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Speaker 3: the president period first and foremost. Everything else has to
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Speaker 3: take a back seat to that priority. And if that
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Speaker 3: means subjecting members of the press, the Air Force one
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Speaker 3: flight crew, the rest of the presidential staff, even cabinet
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Speaker 3: secretaries like Rubio and Bessent, that's the risk they have
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Speaker 3: to take. One of the things that I lay out
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Speaker 3: in today's Morning Jolt is that if you go to
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Speaker 3: any event that has the president very unfortunately, you know
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Speaker 3: you live in a world. We live in a world
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Speaker 3: where there are people who want to kill the president,
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Speaker 3: and there's slim chance you will be in the wrong
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Speaker 3: place at the wrong time Corey Comparatory. Thankfully, those odds
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Speaker 3: are very, very small. There's almost no chance that you know,
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Speaker 3: the Secret Service is very good at their jobs, but
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Speaker 3: you assume that risk.
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Speaker 1: You assume that risk if you.
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Speaker 3: Are a pool reporter on Air Force one, but also
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Speaker 3: if you go into just about any government building, if
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Speaker 3: you go into a courthouse, if you go into a
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Speaker 3: US embassy, if you go into a New York City skyscraper. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: we live in a world where there are bad people
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Speaker 3: who want to harm others, and there's that, you know,
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Speaker 3: very small chance you'll be in the wrong place at
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Speaker 3: the wrong time. Also, we all saw Air Force one,
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Speaker 3: the Harrison Ford movie and Iron Man three. So we
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Speaker 3: know that the air Force won. The plane is always
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Speaker 3: going to be a tempting target for terrorists. Now, Apparently
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Speaker 3: what was this one? This is the information about this
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Speaker 3: came from the Israelis, was passed through the CIA. Apparently
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Speaker 3: the CIA said they had low confidence in this information.
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Speaker 3: But the gist was somebody either Iranian or connected to
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Speaker 3: the Iranians had a shoulder mounted, you know, surface to
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Speaker 3: air missile that they were going to try to launch
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Speaker 3: at Air Force one as it took off from the
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Speaker 3: Ancara airport. Apparently the Turks thought there was never a
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Speaker 3: serious threat of this. As I mentioned, I lived there
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and five, two thousand and seven, and
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Speaker 3: people like, oh my god, you're living in the Middle East.
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Speaker 3: This is you know, the Iraq War is going on,
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Speaker 3: the war in terror, and I was like, look, ancre
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Speaker 3: is probably about as safe as you're going to find.
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Speaker 1: It's the you know, political capital.
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Speaker 3: There's plenty of government cops everywhere, There's plenty of government military.
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Speaker 1: It's not that there was never terrorist attacks in Ankara.
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Speaker 1: While I was there.
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Speaker 3: There was an attempt to suicide bomber attempted to get
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Speaker 3: into the Justice ministry. A couple of years after I left,
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Speaker 3: there was a suicide bombing at the gate of the
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Speaker 3: US embassy. I was plugged in with the embassy. US
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Speaker 3: embassy community over there, spoke to the Marines and they said, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you know, we know that there are bad guys who'd
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Speaker 3: like to blow up this building. Occasionally they said they
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Speaker 3: thought they saw surveillance or probing or stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: But as far as you're going to go, Acre is
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Speaker 3: a pretty safe city.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 1: The one caveat that I'm going to.
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Speaker 3: Note is that for a better part of a couple
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Speaker 3: of years, you know, if not every weekday, but almost
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Speaker 3: every weekday, I'd go to the Sheraton Hotel, which had
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Speaker 3: a newsstand in it, and that's where I could get
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Speaker 3: my Economist magazine in the International Herald Tribune, which are
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Speaker 3: my links to English language press. Well, right next to
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Speaker 3: that was the Iranian Embassy. Turkey and Iran have full
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Speaker 3: diplomatic relations. Where you have an embassy, it's very likely
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Speaker 3: you have spies. So my suspicion would be that the
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Speaker 3: Iranian government has some network of agents in Turkey as
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Speaker 3: a whole, and in Oncora, and that may have been
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Speaker 3: a reason to think, huh, this is not just your
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Speaker 3: garden variety bunch of yahoos. These guys may have state
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Speaker 3: backed and state connections, and their ability to get a
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Speaker 3: surface to air missile into the country might be a
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Speaker 3: little bit better than you know, Al Kaida Isis or some.
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Speaker 1: Groups like that.
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Speaker 3: I think the Secret Service made an entirely just a
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Speaker 3: fiable decision, But with that in mind, we probably should
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Speaker 3: have recognized that God forbid. You know, in some alternate universe,
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Speaker 3: the headline on July eighth was Air Force one shot
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Speaker 3: down by missile Iranians suspected Rubio Bessent. And you know,
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Speaker 3: air Force one has anybody from seventy to one hundred
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Speaker 3: people on a given time, eighty others believed dead last
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Speaker 3: minute switched say the president, And if you think the
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Speaker 3: controversy is bad now, you can only imagine what the
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Speaker 3: reaction would be when they found out they switched it out.
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Speaker 3: The plane took off and you know, the Iranians or
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Speaker 3: somebody shot it down. So at the heart of this,
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Speaker 3: people know, I'm not a fan of accepting a plane
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Speaker 3: from Cutter. It is not you know, I don't think
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Speaker 3: there was a wise decision. I understand that the existing
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Speaker 3: air Airforce one are aging. I understand that the Boeing
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Speaker 3: is way behind schedule, but the new one is not
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Speaker 3: as safe as the old one, and it didn't have
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Speaker 3: the electronic countermeasure.
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Speaker 1: So why did Trump go on the old air Force?
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Speaker 3: They determined this threat was serious enough that a they
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Speaker 3: couldn't use the Katari donated one, and then secondly they
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Speaker 3: didn't even want the president on the backup one, the
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Speaker 3: old Air Force one, and they fly them out on
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Speaker 3: a military jet. That indicates one, how seriously the US
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Speaker 3: Secret Service was taking this, and two a sign that look,
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Speaker 3: if you had never taken this, we would have been
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Speaker 3: dealing with the The President would always have been on
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Speaker 3: the top state state of the art one. By the way,
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Speaker 3: I'm also going to note as something that seemed kind
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Speaker 3: of minor at the time and now seems like a
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Speaker 3: bigger issue. Eight am, July eighth, Trump is on true
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Speaker 3: social and he announces that the Katari donated Air Force
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Speaker 3: one will be sent to Mindenhol Air Force Base in
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Speaker 3: the United Kingdom, quote to give them a chance to
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Speaker 3: tour the aircraft, and quote for old time's sake, will
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Speaker 3: be taking the former Air Force one from Turkey to Mildenhall.
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Speaker 3: Now this may well have been with the encouragement of
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Speaker 3: the Secret Service. Let's have her believe that he's going
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Speaker 3: to be on this plane instead of the military plane.
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Speaker 3: On the other hand, maybe you don't put out anything
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Speaker 3: about which plane.
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Speaker 1: You're going to be on, mister President. I just kind of.
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Speaker 3: Feel like I'm sitting there thinking, was this entire ruse
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Speaker 3: because the President had put out something on true social Now,
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Speaker 3: yesterday the President was asked about this and he said,
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Speaker 3: I do whatever the Secret Service tells me.
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Speaker 1: I hope that's the case.
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Speaker 3: I think in the end, these decisions have to be
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Speaker 3: left with professionals. The single most unnerving paragraph about this
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Speaker 3: I think that I heard about this was the Wall
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Speaker 3: Street Journals coverage quote. Some of the president's aides had
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Speaker 3: worried about flying into Turkey in advance of the trip,
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Speaker 3: particularly on the Katari gifted jet, which has fewer defensive capabilities.
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Speaker 3: Trump didn't share those concerns and wanted to fly the
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Speaker 3: plane overseas. A senior administration official said, that really unnerves
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Speaker 3: me that the president of the United States needs to
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Speaker 3: listen to the professional I know he likes this jet,
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Speaker 3: I know he wants to show it off, but if
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Speaker 3: it's not as safe as the other one, he really
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Speaker 3: should not be using it. And that's how we end
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Speaker 3: up in situations like this.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of different angles here. If the
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Speaker 4: electronic countermeasures weren't up to the standards that we require,
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure why that plane was in circulation other
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Speaker 4: than the fact that he wanted to show it off.
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Speaker 4: So if it wasn't ready, it shouldn't have been out there.
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Speaker 4: But also I'm not sure how much I trust the
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Speaker 4: explanation of the Turkish government that there wasn't really much
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Speaker 4: of a threat. Remember, we had to talk them out
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Speaker 4: of helping Iran go to war against US, so I'm
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Speaker 4: not sure their loyalties are exactly pristine here. So I'm
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Speaker 4: sure they wouldn't necessarily want that to happen in their
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Speaker 4: airspace or on their soil or anything like that. But
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Speaker 4: I don't know a good feeling about Turkey right now
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Speaker 4: given everything that's happening.
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Speaker 3: Similar thoughts are went through my head, Greg, and I'm
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Speaker 3: going to observe. On the one hand, like I said,
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Speaker 3: you know, two years, a couple of years that I
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Speaker 3: was there. Every Turkish security official ever interacted with was
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Speaker 3: very professional, took their duties very seriously. That having been said,
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Speaker 3: no government official wants to say, oh, yeah, our capital
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Speaker 4: win in November this year, but this race is much
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Speaker 4: closer than Republicans in Texas would like. James Tallerco is
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Speaker 4: the Democrat Jim in any other year, a guy with
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Speaker 4: James talla Rico's background his insane comments would be absolute
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Speaker 1: The Democrat have a weird, a weird JAT Today. God
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Speaker 1: is non binary.
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Speaker 5: There are many more than two biological sexes.
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Speaker 1: In fact, there are six.
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Speaker 5: It is now existential that we try to reduce our
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Speaker 5: for most of us. Prophetic voices like Jesus have helped
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Speaker 5: me reckon with my own whiteness, my own masculinity. Our
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Speaker 1: Load tellerygo two weeks for Texas.
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Speaker 4: unfortunately the Republican Candad's Attorney General Ken Paxton, who has
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Speaker 4: his supporters keep pointing out yes, has won three times statewide,
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Speaker 4: but he comes with a lot of baggage. We've talked
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Speaker 4: about it before. He was impeached by the Republican led
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Speaker 4: Texas House. He was acquitted by the Republican led Texas Senate.
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Speaker 4: He is obviously an adulterer, I think many times over.
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Speaker 4: But there's also more. Yesterday, Mark Mark Halprin on his
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Speaker 4: podcast talking about the frustrations that Republicans who want Paxton
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Speaker 4: to win are having with him down in Texas.
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Speaker 2: Ken Paxton, ladies and gentlemen, I'll say again, I am
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Speaker 2: the biggest skeptic for the last twenty five years that
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Speaker 2: a Democrat can win statewide in Texas. You can go
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Speaker 2: check my record on this, and I'm telling you today,
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Speaker 2: if Ken Paxton doesn't come to Jesus on how to
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Speaker 2: run for office, he will lose. I don't care about
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Speaker 2: the governor's race, which will also be quite close. I've
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Speaker 2: been talking to Texas Republicans who are not hostile to
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Speaker 2: Ken Paxton. He is lazy, he's a horrible fundraiser. He
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Speaker 2: cannot answer questions about the controversy sees that reporters are
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Speaker 2: going to ask him about. He has alienated suburban voters,
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Speaker 2: including suburban women, and he's running against a guy who's
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Speaker 2: pretty damn good as a candidate. Despite not liking neat
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Speaker 2: despite all the things, he said, and if nothing dramatic changes,
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Speaker 2: it's not just Paxon has to get it in gear.
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Speaker 2: If nothing dramatic changes, he will lose. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: Democrats will take back the Senate, but he will lose
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Speaker 2: unless something dramatic. Evaans and most people I know don't
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Speaker 2: think he has it in him because he's a bad
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Speaker 2: guy and a lazy guy.
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Speaker 4: Now you can't see it if you're listening. But Larry O'Connor,
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Speaker 4: who is a pretty rock rib conservative, was on the
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Speaker 4: panel and he went on to say that he's also concerned.
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Speaker 4: He thinks one highlight for Paxton is that, you know,
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Speaker 4: Tallerico is never getting north of forty seven percent, so
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Speaker 4: there's room there for Paxton to get in front of him.
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Speaker 4: But that so far that's not happening. And Halprin said
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Speaker 4: that Paxton can't answer the questions about the controversies that
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Speaker 4: includes his disintegrated marriage that his wife filed for on
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Speaker 4: biblical grounds. This was a telephone town hall. This question
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Speaker 4: came up for Paxton him.
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Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you.
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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering why did you take get on your wife.
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna talk about first worsues that relate to
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Speaker 3: my family.
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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think you would want to discuss
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Speaker 2: your marriage.
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Speaker 1: On a call one thousands of people.
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Speaker 4: All I can tell you is that I'm proud of
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Speaker 4: my kids, got poor, wonderful cares.
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Speaker 2: I got.
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Speaker 4: Evan Green told them well take the one on the way,
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Speaker 4: and there's a lot of stake, and so well, I
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Speaker 4: care about this country. I'm not going to talk about
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Speaker 4: things that would affect him.
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Speaker 3: So thank you Mention for your question.
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Speaker 4: So you can hear a little bit of laughing there.
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Speaker 4: That's an instagram of a woman listening to it and
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Speaker 4: then laughing because she doesn't like Ken Paxton. But so Jim.
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Speaker 4: The latest polls are pretty much dead even there's one
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Speaker 4: just out today that shows that the race is forty
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Speaker 4: seven forty six in favor of Paxton according to Emerson.
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Speaker 4: Others again have Taalerico up to three points usually. And
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Speaker 4: the fact that Halpern's hearing nervousness from actual Republicans in
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Speaker 4: Texas and not the mainstream media trying to whip up
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Speaker 4: things like they did in Beto versus Cruz eight years ago.
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Speaker 4: There's work to be done there, and Republicans have some
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Speaker 4: difficult lifting to do in a state where they haven't
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Speaker 4: had to do it in a very long time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, earlier in this cycle, I kind of went through.
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Speaker 3: And if you want the optimistic argument for Ken Paxton,
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Speaker 3: the most successful statewide race by a Democrat in the
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Speaker 3: last really, like you know, probably thirty years was better
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Speaker 3: work running percentate in twenty eighteen. He came within three
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Speaker 3: percent of Ted Cruz.
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Speaker 1: And if you take.
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Speaker 3: Beta O'Rourke's vote total, now that's twenty eighteen. You know,
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Speaker 3: population increases a bit year by year, and so it's
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Speaker 3: an imperfect comparison from one cycle to the next. Bitter
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Speaker 3: o' works total. If you look at the worst performance
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Speaker 3: of any Republican running statewide in twenty twenty two, the
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Speaker 3: good news for the Republicans is the lowest performance of
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Speaker 3: any Republican is still higher than Beta or Works was
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Speaker 3: back in twenty eighteen. The bad news is that the
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Speaker 3: lowest performing a Republican running statewide in twenty twenty two
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Speaker 3: was Ken.
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Speaker 1: Baxton, Meaning if anybody's.
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Speaker 3: Gonna underperform, this is the guy. Now, good news is
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Speaker 3: at his twenty twenty two level is enough to beat that.
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Speaker 3: And the question is can Tall Rico improve upon Beta
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Speaker 3: overorks performance. The other thing is you you mentioned the
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Speaker 3: poll numbers in all of twenty eighteen, as much as
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Speaker 3: Paedo Ark was getting you know, great gushing coverage and
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Speaker 3: more money than any other senate campaign had ever had. Beta,
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Speaker 3: O'Rourke never let a pole so far the scene. Look
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Speaker 3: at that, you know, politics, col Rico has led four
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Speaker 3: and another one was tied. So that does feel like
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Speaker 3: genuinely bad, worse. And I was just gonna, you know, like,
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Speaker 3: I look, Halperin has developed, you know, pretty good instincts
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Speaker 3: on these sorts of things. If you're gonna be sleeves,
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Speaker 3: if you're gonna be a human slug, be a hard
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Speaker 3: working one, be no, don't be lazy. Like that's that's
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Speaker 3: the like, like that's something you control. There's a whole
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Speaker 3: bunch of things in the campaign environment, national political environment
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Speaker 3: that you cannot control how many events you do each day.
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Speaker 3: And then finally, like, look, if you are ken pacton,
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Speaker 3: you're gonna get questions about your marriage. That's just the
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Speaker 3: way it is in American politics, been that way since
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Speaker 3: Gary Hart.
17:12
Speaker 1: Never mind Bill.
17:13
Speaker 3: Clinton and all that kind of stuff. Now, Bill Clinton
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Speaker 3: was like, I know I've caused pain in my marriage.
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Speaker 3: But that is between Hillary and myself. Blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think you come back to the
17:22
Speaker 1: caller with, well, how about your marriage? All the marriage.
17:25
Speaker 1: Maybe the call has got a great marriage.
17:27
Speaker 3: I don't know, like, but it's one of those things
17:29
Speaker 3: where like, no, you can't jiu jitsu this, like you know, look,
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Speaker 3: you know, by and large, Texans are a pretty traditional type.
17:36
Speaker 3: And on the one hand they can be very forgiving
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Speaker 3: and stuff, but you you have to look and sound contrite.
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Speaker 3: You have to look and sound like you've made some
17:43
Speaker 3: serious errors. And this is where I think Alburn's looking
17:45
Speaker 3: at this and saying, like, dude, you can't fumble like this.
17:48
Speaker 3: You can't make these kinds of mistakes. You don't have
17:51
Speaker 3: that margin for error, not just because the national political environment,
17:55
Speaker 3: not just because you know, eventually, like every trend comes
17:57
Speaker 3: to an end, and if the Texas Republicans have on
18:00
Speaker 3: every state wide race for like Ann Richard's nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 1: Four, ninety ninety, right, so we're coming.
18:07
Speaker 3: Up on three decades, four decades almost, right, Like every
18:10
Speaker 3: street comes to an end at some point, even cal Ripkin.
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Speaker 1: So at some point some Democrat is going to do
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Speaker 1: well enough.
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Speaker 3: James Tallerico really looks like he could be the guy
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Speaker 3: this year, even though he is in the dead eyes
18:21
Speaker 3: of a reanimated Howdy Duty doll. And he has a
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Speaker 3: position set of positions where like Francesca hag is saying, Wow,
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Speaker 3: that guy's out there, like this is in the end
18:31
Speaker 3: like and by the way, Texas, you know, Republican primary voters,
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Speaker 3: you could have had John Cornyan and we would not
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Speaker 1: Oh he's old, he's the stuff, yes, but he was
18:40
Speaker 1: also a slam dunk to win this sort of thing.
18:42
Speaker 1: It's just utterly infuriating.
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Speaker 4: Wesley Hutt was in that original primary too. He was
18:47
Speaker 4: he would have been easily coasting to victory now too.
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Speaker 4: I think so we all see leeah lazy. That's that's
18:53
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18:55
Speaker 4: of people they were talking about this on that same
18:57
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18:59
Speaker 4: for Biden that you know, evangelicals in Texas not happy
19:01
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Speaker 4: And so you know, these things add up over time
19:07
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19:10
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19:13
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Speaker 4: a lot of reasons why Francesca Hong narrowly lost to
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Speaker 4: David Crowley in the Wisconsin primary. Some just thought on
20:41
Speaker 4: the left that she couldn't beat Tom Tiffany in November.
20:44
Speaker 4: But if there's if you point to one thing that
20:46
Speaker 4: was the tipping point, I think it was her hatred
20:47
Speaker 4: of Thanksgiving. That's that's that's a hard one to get
20:51
Speaker 4: a majority to back you after that. But you know,
20:54
Speaker 4: as we've said before, the left has been squeamish about
20:57
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving for a long time because they think, you know
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Speaker 4: that the Indigenous people, you know, we're trampled on in
21:03
Speaker 4: the ensuing years and so forth. But Francesca Hong not
21:07
Speaker 4: the only one to hate Thanksgiving. Abdul lsayed. This is
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Speaker 4: from November twenty nineteen, Just a reminder this Thanksgiving this
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Speaker 4: country was built on the systematic annihilation of indigenous peoples,
21:21
Speaker 4: whose ancestors suffer some of the highest rates of homelessness, joblessness,
21:26
Speaker 4: and mortality. Today, we owe so much more than thanks
21:29
Speaker 4: time for reparations. Okay, first of all, Abdul, the people
21:33
Speaker 4: alive now are not the ancestors. They're the descendants. Let's
21:37
Speaker 4: get that right. And secondly, Jim, I think we're just
21:40
Speaker 4: seeing once again that there's these people that just absolutely
21:44
Speaker 4: deplore the American founding and they're going to try to
21:47
Speaker 4: move away and say, oh, well, I don't believe that now.
21:50
Speaker 4: I was just venting at the time, but normal Americans
21:54
Speaker 4: don't think like this.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's time.
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Speaker 3: I would strongly recommend Mike Rogers reuse the Tom Tiffany
21:59
Speaker 3: line like a Dallas Cowboys fan, because well, here's the
22:03
Speaker 3: other great irony is that in Michigan, Thanksgiving has a
22:07
Speaker 3: very special you know, just statewide.
22:09
Speaker 1: I would imagine tradition.
22:10
Speaker 3: Of watching the Detroit Lions, and they've actually been better
22:14
Speaker 3: on Thanksgiving these last few years, but for a long
22:16
Speaker 3: time they were not good on Thanksgiving. Oh, by the way,
22:20
Speaker 3: you know, do I'll say I also thinks that football
22:22
Speaker 3: is this like force of colonialism we've talked about, Like,
22:25
Speaker 3: so he really hates like these two like I hate
22:27
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving and I hate football. You just lost the vote
22:31
Speaker 3: of every Detroit Lion in the entire you know, every
22:33
Speaker 3: Detroit Lion fan in the entire state. There's this phenomenon.
22:36
Speaker 3: I think Mary catherin Hamm and a couple of people
22:38
Speaker 3: have talked about it. We're like democrats and liberals have
22:42
Speaker 3: the advantage that if you are republican or right of
22:46
Speaker 3: center person, say, would you believe that Democrats did X
22:49
Speaker 3: or said x X is so crazy that people will
22:52
Speaker 3: not believe it and they'll assume you must.
22:54
Speaker 1: Be making it up.
22:55
Speaker 3: Right, So if you said, oh, you know, the guy
22:58
Speaker 3: who's running for Senate in Michigan thinks that Thanksgiving is
23:02
Speaker 3: this awful, awful tradition and that you know, instead we
23:05
Speaker 3: should all sit around and feel guilty and we should
23:07
Speaker 3: be paying reparations and stuff. Like you know, people, oh,
23:10
Speaker 3: come on, he doesn't believe that, you know, and they'll say, no,
23:13
Speaker 3: it was ancient history. It was six or seven years ago.
23:15
Speaker 3: Like That's the other thing is like, look, you know,
23:18
Speaker 3: you know Francesca Hang apparently had like really serious mental
23:22
Speaker 3: health issues as a teenager. We didn't talk about that
23:24
Speaker 3: in this podcast. I don't think she's thirty seven years old.
23:27
Speaker 3: I don't think that something that somebody's going through in
23:30
Speaker 3: their teen years is necessarily relevant when they are a
23:33
Speaker 3: grown adult. And there's so many other topics you can
23:37
Speaker 3: criticize this candidate for. But like you keep noticing these
23:41
Speaker 3: candidates like, oh, that was my position that six or
23:43
Speaker 3: seven years ago is not that long ago, and the
23:45
Speaker 3: idea of like I hated Thanksgiving then, but I'm a
23:48
Speaker 3: sane rational. No, no, you're not a sane rational. It's
23:51
Speaker 3: never sane and rational. Say oh I hate Thanksgiving? So yo,
23:54
Speaker 3: what are you going after next Christmas? Oh yeah, hate
23:57
Speaker 3: Halloween too? Or because it's Detroit Devil's Knight. I think
24:01
Speaker 3: it's entirely reasonable due to hate Devil's Knight in Detroit
24:03
Speaker 3: because everything keeps burning down, But nonetheless, like that's the
24:05
Speaker 3: one holiday I will completely give you a pass. I'm
24:08
Speaker 3: not enjoying out of New Jersey. By the way, we
24:10
Speaker 3: call it Mischief Knight. But yeah, so that's abdul il
24:13
Speaker 3: say it like Mike Rogers, Come on, man, this is
24:17
Speaker 3: about as easy. It's gonna get you have a target
24:19
Speaker 3: rich environment here, bring it home.
24:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned football. CNN dug this up. Kudos to
24:24
Speaker 4: them for that quote. Folks who founded this country on
24:26
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24:30
Speaker 4: enslaved them, and had them work their fields dot dot dot.
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Speaker 4: You kind of see echoed in the ethos of football.
24:36
Speaker 1: Really.
24:37
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe Colin Kaepernick agrees with that. I think
24:39
Speaker 4: he considered the NFL combine like a slave market or something,
24:43
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Speaker 3: He's the idea that it's like slavery because one team
24:50
Speaker 3: beats another. Because if that's the case, the Jets are
24:53
Speaker 3: really not that guilty at all.
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Speaker 4: There have been so many kind of flash in the
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Speaker 4: pan candates that the Left has fallen in love with
26:21
Speaker 4: this year. Several of them have crashed and burned Graham
26:23
Speaker 4: Platner most explicitly. But now that he's won the primary,
26:26
Speaker 4: the Left will be carrying the water for l Saied.
26:28
Speaker 4: They probably would have done the same for Hong. I'm
26:30
Speaker 4: sure they'll do the same for Peggy Flanagan, who's absolutely certifiable.
26:34
Speaker 4: But then what happens when these people don't actually win. Well,
26:39
Speaker 4: eight years ago, back when Florida was a nip and
26:42
Speaker 4: tuck state, Rick Scott won two terms there as governor.
26:44
Speaker 4: I think he won both elections by one percent. Then
26:47
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, which overall was not a great year for Republicans,
26:49
Speaker 4: although Republicans did expand their majority in the Senate, the
26:54
Speaker 4: Florida governor's race was super super close. In fact, Ron
26:58
Speaker 4: DeSantis beats Mayor Andrew Gillim forty nine point six percent
27:03
Speaker 4: to forty nine point two percent, less than thirty three
27:06
Speaker 4: thousand votes with more than eight million casts. That's how
27:09
Speaker 4: close it was. Well shortly after that we heard about
27:12
Speaker 4: those stories of Andrew gilling passing out in a hotel
27:15
Speaker 4: and being you know, oding on meth and nearly dying.
27:19
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, over the past eight years, things haven't gotten
27:22
Speaker 4: a whole lot better. I hate to quote TMZ, but
27:25
Speaker 4: they got the story. Andrew Gillims back in jail after
27:28
Speaker 4: prosecutors say he missed a drug test and then tested
27:30
Speaker 4: positive for methamphetamine. The Baldwin County Assistant DA tells TMZ
27:35
Speaker 4: Andrews taking part in random drug testing known as color
27:38
Speaker 4: code drug testing. Basically were told Andrews assigned a color
27:41
Speaker 4: by the court and he's supposed to call a hotline
27:43
Speaker 4: every day. If he calls the hotline and his color
27:45
Speaker 4: is read out, he has to report that day for
27:47
Speaker 4: a drug test. Andrew didn't show up for his drug
27:49
Speaker 4: test on the day his color was called, so he
27:51
Speaker 4: was tested for drugs at his court appearance on Thursday
27:54
Speaker 4: and it came back positive. Taken back into custody. Just
27:57
Speaker 4: last month, cops say they found him with three grant
28:00
Speaker 4: of math, eight prey rolled marijuana, joins, four kat straws,
28:03
Speaker 4: three pipes in a bomb. So Jim, obviously, this guy's
28:06
Speaker 4: life has spiraled. But it's another example of a guy
28:10
Speaker 4: whose main achievement as mayor of Tallahassee had been being
28:13
Speaker 4: investigated by the FBI. But nonetheless, he gave a good
28:16
Speaker 4: stump speech. So everybody tried to make him into the
28:18
Speaker 4: next Obama, and the last eight years have gone very
28:22
Speaker 4: differently for the two guys in that race.
28:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I periodically wonder if fame is good for
28:27
Speaker 3: anyone despite the fact that so many people.
28:30
Speaker 1: Pursue it so ardently.
28:32
Speaker 3: I think probably having fame and then losing it is
28:35
Speaker 3: very hard on just about everyone unless you're a very
28:37
Speaker 3: grounded person who can keep a good perspective of what
28:41
Speaker 3: really matters in life.
28:42
Speaker 1: You look at this, you see it in the phenomenon
28:44
Speaker 1: of Child. You know, stars.
28:47
Speaker 3: One hit Wonder Band, every VH one Behind the Music
28:51
Speaker 3: Special pretty much had the same rhythm to it. You know,
28:54
Speaker 3: they were on top of the world, and then the
28:56
Speaker 3: trouble hit and then you know somebody. People develop addictions
29:00
Speaker 3: and they crash and burn, the album doesn't sell, and
29:02
Speaker 3: they usually end up in some very dark place.
29:04
Speaker 1: Well, politics has it as well.
29:06
Speaker 3: Politics has this phenomenon where you are the flavor of
29:09
Speaker 3: the month, you are national news, you are a really
29:12
Speaker 3: big deal, you lose your election, and sometimes they come
29:16
Speaker 3: back two to four years later, but a lot of
29:17
Speaker 3: times the level of interest is there and it's probably
29:21
Speaker 3: kind of a cruel process.
29:22
Speaker 1: You see this in the case of Andrew Gillum.
29:24
Speaker 3: We've had a couple of these this cycle, and as
29:27
Speaker 3: we were discussing this as a potential topic for the show,
29:31
Speaker 3: Greg I Hope Graham Plattner gets his life together. I
29:33
Speaker 3: hope that he does not continue to engage in the
29:35
Speaker 3: bad behavior that end up causing the end of his
29:38
Speaker 3: Senate campaign, But I wonder where he'll be in five
29:41
Speaker 3: to ten years. And how does somebody cope with the
29:43
Speaker 3: idea that at one point they were on cover of
29:45
Speaker 3: magazines and you know, their name was on everybody's lips
29:49
Speaker 3: and people were chanting their name. And you know, like
29:52
Speaker 3: pro athletes have this problem when they step away from
29:55
Speaker 3: the game, like fame can be a very fickle thing,
29:58
Speaker 3: and we have this same phenomenon in politics. And I've
30:01
Speaker 3: noticed this phenomen it feel like particularly aggressive in this
30:03
Speaker 3: year where Graham Platner comes from you've never heard of
30:05
Speaker 3: this guy to suddenly being everywhere. Francesca Hall, you've never
30:08
Speaker 3: heard of her, Suddenly she's everywhere. So yeah, you get
30:11
Speaker 3: like every one of them suddenly becomes the next big
30:14
Speaker 3: thing trademark in democratic politics. And sometimes you see this
30:17
Speaker 3: phenomenon on the right side as well, and it's probably
30:20
Speaker 3: not like not only these guys are going to win,
30:22
Speaker 3: And you need to be able to find something to
30:25
Speaker 3: do with your life when that path is no longer
30:27
Speaker 3: available to you, and Andrew gillim Is like, this really
30:31
Speaker 3: awful demonstration of what happens when you don't have that.
30:34
Speaker 1: As you said, you can just spiral and spiral and worse.
30:36
Speaker 3: Hopefully it gets onto a better path, but clearly that
30:39
Speaker 3: is a very challenging path to take.
30:42
Speaker 4: And Florida, you dodged a huge bullet eight years ago.
30:45
Speaker 4: So I mean the difference between where the state would
30:48
Speaker 4: probably be now compared to what it is now is striking.
30:52
Speaker 4: It's been a great eight years for Rhonda Santis, to
30:54
Speaker 4: say the least. Jim, Tomorrow is Friday.
30:56
Speaker 1: I will see that.
30:57
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