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Quiz: Magic or Mentalism? #273 · The Magic Guys

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They're guys they do magic they are the magic guys,
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Well, hello, friends. Welcome to the Magic Guys podcast, episode 273.
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We are well and truly getting up there. Friends, if you are watching live on
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the YouTube, you will see
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you're not accompanied by your normal Magic Guy crew, and that is because both
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Josh and both Doug have fallen ill at the very last minute, and quite literally
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not more than a few hours ago.
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Thankfully, we are such a good, tight-neck community here in Australia that
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I simply put the call out to some of my most wonderful friends.
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And I have two wonderful guests, so please allow me to introduce them both.
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Firstly, we have all the way from New South Wales, our good friend,
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Adam Axford. Say hello, Adam Axford.
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What's up, gang? Great to be here. It was great having you on the show.
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And your interview last time caused quite a stir. It was fantastic in the best
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way possible. You had some beautiful thoughts on the way you present magic and so forth.
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And then we have literal Victorian magic royalty. Friends, Anthony DeMazzi is
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honestly known as the nicest guy in magic, and I could not agree anymore.
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You know him as many things.
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I know him as the most wonderful person in magic. Please, everyone say hello
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to Anthony DeMazzi. Say hi, Em. Hello.
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Hi, everyone. Great to see you all.
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Again. So, friends, thank you for being part of the show. As you know, this is a live show.
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We have questions and comments you can make, so let's have a quick hello to
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who's in the comments. We have the Mystery Box Studio. Good to see you, friend.
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Hockbali. That's a new one. Good to see you, friend. Scotty Link, good to see you.
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Drago Tia, good to see you. Tim Askin, them questions. Friends,
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today's episode is going to be a good one, but we're going to start the same,
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episode we always like to do is get your speak pipes.
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We have one sent in from Gehan who has a question. So this is going to be put to the group.
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Gehan, you have the floor. Hey, Magic guys.
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Gehan here. I know both Nick and Josh, you performed Solution by Michael Murray, the Rubik's Cube trick,
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For the final reveal about the Spectator brings out the Rubik's Cube, fully sold.
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There's currently two different ways I see people do it.
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One is obviously bringing it fully sold, and the other one is where the Spectator
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brings it forward, and there's one more move to do, and the Spectator gets to
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do that final move out in the open.
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Have you played around with both methods? Do you have a preference?
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Yeah, just want to know about that. Thank you.
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Hey, Magic guys. Oh, let's play again. yeah i know both nick and josh you perform
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solution by michael that's enough out of you thank you kindly for sharing so
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for those of you that aren't aware of the solution it's an effect in which you give a spectator,
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seemingly a mixed cube rubik's cube
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and you ask him to twist it behind their back after a certain amount of time
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you then ask him to then pull the cube out from behind themselves to see it
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solved and the question he's asking is either one is it better to show it entirely solved,
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Once they pull it from behind their back or for it to be one move short.
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So they pull it out. So there's one move short. Then they complete the solve in front of you.
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And then they do the reveal. So friends, let's put this to the man Anthony first. What do you think?
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It's such a difficult yes or no answer. I think that it depends on the type
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of audience that you're performing for.
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Sometimes people can see that you've made an error and they like,
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that's the thing they remember.
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That's the one thing that they point out at the end. Oh, the guy did a mistake.
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He made a mistake, but then came good.
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So it really depends, I think, on who you're performing for and the audience, like the crowd.
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But I would probably say, if I had to choose, I would probably say it's probably
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better just to do it, like, fully solved.
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And it just comes out as, like, a killer, more confident. The audience just go, wow, you nailed it.
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But it depends on your character and it depends on your persona.
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The character is the most important thing.
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So if you are a performer that creates more of a vulnerable on stage kind of
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character, then the audience are going to be like, oh, no, you've made a mistake.
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Then they're rooting for you for it to go really well.
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If they're expecting your character to be more confident and just nail it every
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time, then it's a little bit unexpected as well.
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It just depends on how you play it, I think It's the performance Yeah,
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it's a good point So it's kind of like the way you choose to represent Adam, what's your thoughts?
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I think it's a kicker. I think it's a kicker that goes at the end of a Rubik's
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Cube sequence. And I don't want to fumble no kicker. I don't want no half-assed
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kicker. I want it to kick and hit hard.
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So I had this last weekend, I had a family style book in a big kind of restaurant
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space, someone's 50th, a really beautiful crowd.
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And I got one of the birthday guy's daughters to come up and help with this section.
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I do it with a package that goes out earlier on. There's a Rubik's Cube in that that's mixed to stack.
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And then after we get a nice matching cube routine from the final choice of
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mixture from the lady with the package we eventually bring her up and then she
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opens up the package and then it had to be her to choose the final move because
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she also has this package that matches as well
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so uh this also gives me a perfect opportunity to ditch the.
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The the cube that i don't want in play anymore and then just have a nice clean
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one that perfectly matches the prediction and uh when i i did the the sequence
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and i showed her and we get a big countdown and we're cheering and she calls it out and she mixed it.
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She'd mix it up good and proper and it's not the first time this has happened
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but it's the first time it's happened in a while but it don't matter because
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i've got a second one that matches ready to go
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so i might my like spiel when i'm doing this is like i understand that we're
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asking you to do something truly impossible right now and you shouldn't succeed
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right now but you're around people who are going to cheer for you and we cheer
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for the underdog it doesn't matter if we succeed is the fact that we try and
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when we fall we get back up
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and this is kind of my uplifting motivation swag when i'm performing this right
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and then uh we get the moment and she fails in front of everyone i'm like it's
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all right we all deserve a second go don't we and then i was just like whispering
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to her i just like do less watch me again and that,
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was it i just said do less and and i just did it all again one more time and
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yet again look see i didn't even solve it so don't expect anything from yourself
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and then once behind i was like that's it do less and i just passed it to her
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and it was gorgeous and we got that second moment so therefore we had that hit organically
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as opposed to engineering a moment where it's going to be off by one turn,
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yeah if it's a kicker make it kick.
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I could not agree more, buddy. I mean, I do it then in effect very much of the
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same vein, have been doing it for some while now. But what I do is I give them
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the mixed cube. I also have the same mixed cube from a perfect six-sided match.
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And then what I do is I give it to them behind their back. And then I actually
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turn my back to the audience with a single hand.
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And then I go, I want you guys to see what's actually unfolding behind my back.
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And then I solve it behind my back.
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So when they see it solved, I actually turn back and go, is it done?
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And it's quiet and they go yeah and then i have the spectator say on the count
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of three put it above your head one two three they put it above their head,
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thunderous applause because i think that you're you're the intention of the
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routine is from from my perspective and for my character especially is i'm trying
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to celebrate my audience and i think that's what you do really well as well i think i'm and,
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and adam so i think it's like when you celebrate your audiences you don't want
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them to fall short, do you?
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And that's what the routine's engineered to do. It's engineered to celebrate
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them. So give them a proper triumphant moment, not just one away,
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unless you are also going, I should be one away, right? I'm one away.
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You one away? Check this out.
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And then you both turn it around and then you do it and then reveal.
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But I still think it's better off to just, you've ramped it,
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just knock it over the edge, not go, oh, the view's quite nice.
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Let's sit here a minute and then I'll push you off.
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Yeah, I think it's really good. Another thing that I've noticed with when you're
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doing a show is that sometimes if your magic is perfect, perfect,
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perfect every single time and you're killing every single time,
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if you're doing a particularly much longer performance, it is a nice moment
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to have something where it doesn't exactly go as perfect as it could.
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And that gives you a bit of a human connection or a human touch.
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But I think for that type of effect, like what Adam was saying and what you
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were saying, Nick, I think that it should be performed as a killer effect that
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you've absolutely got this and you just blast it out. So yeah.
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This is the thing where I kind of struggle. I hate not nailing everything and
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being perfect when I perform.
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And I think it's one of my biggest troubles before we get into the quiz today
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is just with regards to mentalism, you have this amazing ability to invite mistakes,
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right, Adam? You literally just invite it.
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And if it doesn't hit you way another way, I think that is one of the most remarkable
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skillsets to have as a performer and as a mentalist.
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And it's what really set this apart I think I was out shooting for my current
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1000 real magic moment challenge those who might be aware
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and I was at the opera house the other day doing it I stopped some of the security
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as they're heading in and I did a little moment with them and it was kind of
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a broken performance because he had to talk on his radio in between writing
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down the destination I wanted him to think of going to,
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and let's just say that I was doing my read and,
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ultimately I guest Bulgaria.
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And he was moved but it was wrong he was thinking of Bangladesh but he was like
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but I'm from Bulgaria and I do need to go home how did you know,
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so this was really gorgeous and even during that while I was like think of this
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place and because I believed I mean I had to guesstimate in this particular
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situation but I was like Bulgaria was going to be my like lucky shot here I even,
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did some like head movements as far as I'm aware there's like a historic reference
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for Bulgaria being like inverted for their nodding and their shaking due to
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a particular historical moment.
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So I kind of try to pull this into the performance, but he was moved and he
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went away and left. And I'm considering sharing the piece anyway,
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because I mean, at least one of my breakdowns, it showcases getting things wrong
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can sometimes feel like getting them more right.
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That's staggering i really love that moment and we could probably just like
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go down the rabbit hole with this but instead,
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we're going to jump into the purpose of you both being here so friends as you
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know in the episodes past we're actually talking about some of your praises
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when someone asked for advice on how to approach a group and we actually said
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to folks please do scope out adam axford's
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content so just quickly give us a shout out on your instagram so they can
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ensure that they actually get to see what it means to approach a group adam.
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Oh legend yeah please adam.axford It is written right there if you can't see it.
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But yeah, I'm currently doing a thousand videos. I just uploaded my 89th one.
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So we celebrated a hundred in a few days.
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So it's starting to feel very real, almost 10% through. And already I've seen
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huge transformations, 4,000 new followers, amazing inboxes.
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I've started a YouTube breakdown of some of the bits and it's going places.
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It hasn't monetized at all yet. So
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I'm currently doing my high level elite performances, but absolutely free.
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However, Karma will catch up and it's nice to start making it imprint on his
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community in the way that I can. So yeah, join in.
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They're a whole lot of fun and you might learn something as well.
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That's great. So friends, the reason I invited you both to be here is that over
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the past weeks, we have been discussing the differences between magic and mentalism.
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And it has caused quite a stir, especially amongst all the folks in our discord.
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Literally after last week's episode, I was in a five hour phone call with my
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buddy, David Rhodes, about this very topic. Like we'll talking to like one in
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the morning. It was ridiculous.
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And so there's, whilst we were doing last week's episode, there was an abundance
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of comments asking like, what about this routine?
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Is that magic or mentalism? What about this routine? Is it magic or mentalism?
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So I decided to make a list of about 30 odd routines and principles in magic
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and mentalism and get two experts.
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One in mentalism and one in magic for us to have a discussion.
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So friends, before we begin, Are you ready to figure out, is this magic, mentalism, or both?
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We are ready ready all right we'll start something simple so question number
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one the cups and balls is it magic mentalism or both scam,
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it's a scam they do at the eiffel tower a bunch of,
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uh traveling folk who like to capture other travelers with different intentions,
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it's magic for sure okay well you know it's okay just to be clear if it's magic scam or geek magic,
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or or what it's still magic all right if it's like close-up magic stage magic
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it's still magic okay just to be clear so it's all magic we're in agreeance yeah,
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yes wonderful of course it is because this is an effect that that,
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basically is based around physical objects appearing and disappearing banishing
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and so forth and traveling so those are all major principles in magic so question
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number two the book test magic mentalism or both?
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Mentalism.
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Yeah, definitely mentalism. You can add a Pegasus page to give it a magic flair, but it's...
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Oh, we might get to that one. Yeah, we might get to that one,
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but I agree. The reason it is mentalism is because the performer appears to know a thought of word.
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Now, here's a tricky one. Are you ready?
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The Invisible Deck. Magic, mentalism, or both?
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Magic. Purely dependent on the performance setup.
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Purely dependent. If you're going to do a classic, throw it for the air,
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catch it, it's turnover.
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That's a magic trick. If you're going to claim it to be some kind of mental,
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influence or something or prediction, then yeah, it's definitely straddled in that line.
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Hey, mentally. No need an answer there, Mr. Axford. It needs to be magic, mentalism, or both.
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Mentalism for sure. That's funny because I'm going to push back on this one
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i'm going to say it's both yeah yes,
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oh we can say both all right yeah okay well let's discuss i believe it's because
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magicians will perform it as a card trick and mentalists will perform it as a form of prediction,
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where before the show i took one card and i turn it the other way around that's
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why i had you hold on to it the entire time i think anything that has a prediction
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notion to it makes it fall into the realm of mentalism
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but i also think that you can make this a simple magic trick by showing the
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deck all one way squaring it up naming a card spreading it again and then magically,
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one turns the other way and that's the reason i think it's both friends in the
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chat you're welcome to have your opinions of course scotty link believes it's mentalism,
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and drago tier believes it's mentalism so let let this let this one divide us
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you're outnumbered big boy.
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Okay let's go on a question number four a drawing duplication magic mentalism or both anthony,
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i'll go with mentalism adam yeah yeah that's a psychic thing hey mental,
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i believe so i'm going to agree that it is mentalism and that's because the
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performer basically appears to read a thought and reveals it in the form of
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a picture so all right question number five.
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The ambitious card magic mental or both like page three of magic card tricks magic,
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there you are yes why because it is a physical impossibility that's recurring
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uh repeatedly so now this is an interesting one,
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question number six is pk touches just to be clearer this is an effect where
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you seemingly can either one you touch one spectator and the other feels it,
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or you could just by not even touching a spectator they will swear that they've
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been touched by some sort of magical fuel that you've been generating so,
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with those sort of descriptions of pk touches the question for you two gentlemen,
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is is it magic mentalism or both adam,
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i'm gonna say mentalism i feel it's tethers on psychic it's a kind of supernatural
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you know what yeah telekinesis psychokinesis definitely mental.
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And Mr. Damacy I'll stay with mentalism as well.
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I'm going to push back and say it's both why is it both Nick I'm going to say
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it's both because it could be presented as a psychic ability right,
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and then others can present it as this like magical force field this physical
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thing that they're generating,
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like it's mysterious magic,
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I mean, we're using some nice misdirection techniques and magical principles
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to allow the effect to unravel.
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Though I feel like the ultimate outcome is something that's outside of the physical realm.
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People are going to experience this as an imagined thought feeling or some kind
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of supernatural connection between two folk.
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So sure, we can say it's both, but only two of us will be right.
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Because the mental realm i because the mentalism realm doesn't sort of lean
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into having magical power it leans more in my opinion i think doesn't mentalism
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lean more into me having a special set of skills but not necessarily being,
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magical in a sense i i feel that the mentalism for the most part is like an
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exaggeration of existing mental powers like oh wow he's really good at like
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measuring micro gestures on the face and he can like the subtleties in a voice
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and like yeah sure these things come about and they do play a role but like
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it's like a small percentage of the overall thing
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so more so of an elevation and,
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an exaggeration of mental abilities pushing them into the supernatural realm,
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all right well let me phrase it this way would the pk touches slash mentalism,
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maybe maybe the mentalism realm would you say more so the mentalism is about you being,
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superhuman and you being magic makes you more supernatural,
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ah that's a deep that's a that's a deep cut what do you think anthony,
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i think that's another podcast.
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Look, I think that it's just, I think the difference is that a lot of people
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don't know as much about mentalism as much as they might have an idea that they know about magic.
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And I think that typically magicians will use a lot of gestures and I think
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there's just a lot more, people know a lot, they've seen a lot more magic and
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they've seen a lot more the way that magicians gesture and work.
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So they have an expectation. And so when they see something,
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they'll automatically think it's magic, the magician's doing sleight of hand
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or the magician's using their skills.
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Whereas with mentalism, I would say it's very difficult for audiences to know,
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or see what the mentalist is doing because a lot of it is very minimal and it's very subtle.
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Obviously, the mentalist hides a lot of the stuff that they're doing,
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Whereas a magician has to show, I'm now placing this cup over this and I'm going
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to place this silk over the top.
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So I think that, yeah, that's kind of where it's at in terms of like when people
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see a mentalist, they don't really, they shouldn't be seeing the bits.
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Whereas a magician usually can show bits, give little bits of what they're doing.
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Yeah. So that makes it a bit harder, I think.
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So you wouldn't give a magician a title of being supernatural versus superhuman, for example?
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Look, I think back in the golden era of magic, magicians were supernatural.
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I think that the stuff that perhaps maybe someone like, you know,
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like in present time, stuff like David Blaine has done, people look at that
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as saying that's supernatural.
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But I think that unfortunately, due to technology these days and the TikToks
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and all that sort of thing, a lot of magic secrets get revealed.
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And I think that people maybe don't think of magicians as much as being supernatural
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these days. They sort of think it's just a trick.
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We know there's secrets to it.
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Whereas I think back in the golden era of magic, people didn't have knowledge
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of magic. And so when they saw something with their eyes, they believed it was really supernatural.
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But what do you think, Adam? Do you think that being a mentalist makes you more
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of a superhuman than being superhuman?
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Shout out to our new best friend in the magic and metalism communities,
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Steve Baskin, and he's a newly coined term, meta deception.
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So really, you know, he's put waves in the community and I'm not hating.
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I think more discourse, the better as we all refine the art form in these changing times.
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So the magician is operating within the guidelines of a make believe.
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People understand that this is fantasy. they can enjoy and wants to uh,
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jump in and believe it is real and it can feel as real as possible,
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but they do operate within the idea that this is a trick we're a magic we're
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a magician doing a magic trick whereas the mentalists will their first trick
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is pretending that they're not doing a trick so
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there's the fundamental difference so yeah they're going to take credit so like
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people will say on my breakdowns oh my god you're doing this you're looking
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at this and then i could i guessed it right on the second dice roll but i couldn't get the others and
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how you managed to force him to choose those and your watch match that's amazing
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and i'll just be like bro you're giving me so much credit thank you.
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I don't know this smith's his belief of what i'm doing but i'm also not going
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to be able to like take it on board and be like yeah man i was totally reading
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all of those facial expressions you know,
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But I don't want to deny it either, because the magic is living in his head
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from the mentalism that I've performed.
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Yeah. Well, that's amazing, because I think you both have very,
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very correct and very interesting perspectives on this. You know,
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there's no right or wrong answer regarding this, which is kind of what makes
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it wonderful, which is why, if you disagree, I'm going to go with both.
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You're going to say it's mentalism.
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If you have any other opinions, by all means, put them in the comments and let
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us know in the Discord. We can, of course, continue conversations from here.
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Before i go into the next question we do have an actual question from the comment
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section because scotty link is asking do you have the power or is something else wielding the power.
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When it comes to pk touches i assume interesting isn't it i would i'm gonna
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say personally i think it's that we have the power,
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not that not not like i don't have an amulet that allows me to then do the magic
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and without the amulet i can't do my spells and do my things i think that's
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kind of what that implies for me,
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i'm seeing it more as an accentuation of something of effect so that you bring
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in two people up and you want to demonstrate the incredible power of human connection
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and you know the idea that we can catch somebody looking at us from across the
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room lock eyes like we do have that kind of,
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somewhat scientifically unverifiable phenomena that we experience all the time
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prophetic dreams and moments confirmation bias etc,
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so we are in this mystical thing called reality and we won't have these defined
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barriers and parameters for everything but that isn't the case like we're made of,
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energy condensed into matter it's insane so we're like trying to look for these
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rigid edges all the time so we can kind of taxonomize and categorize everything
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but there are there are edges and boundaries and yeah blurred blurred borders for sure,
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right i think i'm sorry yeah.
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I was just going to say, when you think of comic books, each superhero has attained
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their powers through a different way.
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So, for example, the Ninja Turtles is that toxic, you know, green goo and Superman
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has the kryptonite and, you know, and so on.
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So, I guess perhaps maybe in your performance character, it depends on how you're presenting it.
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Did you get your powers from someone, from another person, from another,
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from a mentor, from a source, from your childhood.
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It just depends. So I think at the end of the day, it's having a backstory or
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just having, you know, some people just, some people when they perform their
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magic, they don't want to credit anyone or they don't want to allow that.
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So, you know, it would just be that they just have that super ability.
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But, yeah, it just depends once again on your performance, who you are as a
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performer and how you perform your magic. or your mentalism, your character.
25:23
All right. Gentlemen, spitting out the gold. This is great. Let's get back into
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our quiz with question number seven.
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A chair prediction is either magic, mentalism, or both. What say you, gentlemen?
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It's a prediction. Which makes it? Mentalism. I agree.
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Unless you're Blake Voigt, in which case there is a beautiful magical ending,
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and I have to give that guy a shout out for his ingenuity.
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This guy mate yeah he gave me a follow the other day i was like oh i feel like i've made it yeah,
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blake void he's friend of the brilliant he vanishes the it's yeah that's amazing
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by all means if you haven't scoped it out check out the blake void chair test
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that's a it's a thing of beauty and he's 50 kinds of genius so let's go on to
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question number eight is a simple one
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linking rings magic mentalism or both.
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Ha ha ha.
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Magic absolutely it is it is pure visible impossible pure magic pure magic yeah all.
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Right now i want to put an interjection my my friend daniel hidden he's a an
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iranian australian moved here when he was 19 managed to escape before all the chaos kicked off
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and uh he does really beautiful shows and he's got a nice spiritual edge to
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his stuff and he does i don't know the name of the routine but i watched his
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show the other day and it's
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a linking ring routine where you have a spectator up and much where there's
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a dual reality like balls overhead
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the ring goes over their arm they close their eyes they hoop their arm here
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and the rings here and then whilst their eyes are closed the audience see how
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this is done but the ring travels across their body and falls,
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on their hip and it's beautiful so you've got like this mentalism moment created
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with the magic trick because the dual reality is there for the audience and
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the the participant right Why? Because it's a dual reality.
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Yeah. Oh, you've really split the head, haven't you? Now, the question remains
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is, the question that's now been risen is, is a dual reality a mentalism bias
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or is it magic or is it both?
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Based on what Adam said, it could be both.
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Well, I think a dual reality could be something as simple as this person believes
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they're looking at a three of clubs, but that person believes they're looking
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at a three of spades. That's something as simple as as that.
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And even if it's a forced outcome that you want from either of them,
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they're both experiencing a reality.
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So it was a cerebral still, that's a cerebral still you're describing,
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right? So that's mentalism with cards.
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The cerebral still means that you would tell, if you're presenting it that way,
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yes, because you'd say, yeah, yeah.
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Cerebral still, the idea of a cerebral still, for those listening,
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if you're wondering what it is, it's the effect in which they would show them
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a card, and then you would give the illusion that you're stealing that from their brain.
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Showing the audience the card that the participants seeing, though these might
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not be the same, right? Yeah.
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So a bit like eat slash sex, that routine, eat slash sex, that classic,
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is that magic or mentalism?
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It's a scam. Scam. Scam.
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Yeah. I love it. Well, that's a good point because, yeah, I mean,
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and one of the guys in the chat was just saying that, like, paper balls over
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the head is almost a dual reality. Yeah.
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Yeah. We're really getting into the weeds of it now, which is great.
28:44
And by all means, let's put a pin in there on for the moment to make some progress,
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because the next one I think is a tricky one.
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And the next one is, it's a blurred line.
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Is going to require some discussion. So let's get into it.
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Akon, a card at any number. We know the effect.
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Someone names a card, someone names a number, they count down the number of
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cards. It's the card that they were either thinking of or said.
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Is it magic, mentalism, or both?
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Yeah, someone requires half a thought. I'm going to say 70% to 80% magic.
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70 to magic and 80 yeah no it's leaning it's leaning hard magic but you know
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we can say there's a little bit of mentalism in there to spend depending on
29:31
how you want to frame the choices that they've made whether or not you've influenced
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that or if there's some kind of prediction you've made ahead of time all,
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right yeah so the subtext is mentalism but the outcome is magic for sure well,
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the chat is sharing its thoughts scotty link believes this is a magic effect,
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i have my opinion i'll save it to last so we can divide the room but i can't
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any numbers either magic mentalism or both,
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anthony what's your thoughts yeah i'm gonna say the same i'd mostly say magic very well,
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magic if if it's 70 magic and 30 mentalism erroneous of how much vodka you put with your soda,
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it's a vodka soda, okay?
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In the spirit of that, it should be both. Don't you think?
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It might not be 50-50. It might not be equal parts, but it's definitely got
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both entities in there, right?
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You can't have a vodka soda without vodka and soda. So I believe this is both.
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And you could make it one or the other, depending on how much you want to splice up your presentation.
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And again, this is all up for debate, But these are my thoughts,
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and I do agree with you that the reason I believe that it's so magical is because
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it does require methods with magic.
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And I also think it leans into magic more because mentalists,
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by nature, not all, but by nature, don't like to use playing cards.
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They think the moment the playing cards come into their show that it then becomes a trick.
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So it is an interesting way to sort of splice it.
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I feel that we get over that at some point, you know, Picasso has this beautiful
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line. He said, it took him four years to paint like Raphael,
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but a lifetime to paint like a child.
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And the more I progressed through this career, I began to realize that the simplicity,
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you know, I watched the UFC yesterday, incredible pageantry on the White House law.
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I'm a big fan. And I just seeing like people winning with jabs,
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simple fundamentals, you know, Justin Gaethje had this incredible moment where
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he finally takes the best.
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I was so happy for him and you know he fought like an animal he did so good
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but it was simple stuff that got him there and sometimes it takes us a lifetime to paint like a child,
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so that's it eventually i'm happy to use my cards again as a mentalist you know
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it's it's good i've got past the hump but there was definitely about eight years
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where i didn't want to go near him.
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Okay so i oh okay so we've just posted a couple of comments here we've got some
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guys that think that it would be,
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yeah i think that it's burrowing the line so much that we've got to sort of
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lean into it being both of course if you disagree or have a different opinion
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by all means we'll chat about it in the discord afterwards but let's move on
32:28
to the next one this is an easy one question number 10,
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coins across an effect in which there is for example three coins in one hand
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zero in the other squeeze your
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hands open them up one transports across is that magic mentalism or both,
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it's magic when you do it nick you bet it is,
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the millions of views on my instagram say so friends it is a physical teleportation
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trek it could not be more magical than that but next one this is where it gets interesting,
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confabulation,
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hmm hmm,
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It's multiple thoughts, multiple outcomes on a piece of paper,
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pasture, if you will, at the end of an effect or end of a show.
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That typically ties with each other.
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Here's a bunch of free choices you all made throughout the entire show.
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By the way, none of the free choices I predicted at all in this stupid little
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flute that I've got with a secret message in it. I don't know.
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I'm just being a hater right now.
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No, have an opinion. By all means, have an opinion. No, it's a short.
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Look, it's a magic trick, but it is layered as a mentalism trick.
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You know, it is definitely both, but I feel that ultimately it's like,
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oh, all those three choices, ta-da, here they are, all predicted.
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And, you know, Derren Brown did it exceptionally well in Something Wicked,
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you know, because he had the replay of all of the subtleties that he used to,
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mentally coerce people into making those choices.
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And that's where it becomes art Though otherwise, I feel like it's a little
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bit lazy It's just like, oh, by the way, here's a free kicker.
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Both Okay I'm going to go with mentalism However, a lot of magicians perform it as magic,
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How do they perform it as magic? I'm curious. I would just say I've seen it
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performed a lot where it's not performed in a way where it's believable enough to be mentalism.
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It just feels like a trick, right? Yes. Yeah, it feels like a trick, yeah.
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It's a very difficult, it's just a very, it is one of those effects that I think
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to really, really prove to the audience that it is pure mentalism,
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that it's really been predicted beforehand.
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I think a lot of the parts where the box comes down and then the magician opens
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up the box, some people start to begin to think it's a magic trick.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's too perfect. Yeah.
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Yeah. Too perfect. Only explainable as a trick. Yeah.
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All right. Well, these are all very good differences of opinion.
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I think that for the majority, we believe that this is a mentalism trick,
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whether it's loved or not. I'm going to say it's mentalism.
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Reason being that there is multiple thoughts predicted in the future.
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I think that anything that's associated with the prediction thus falls into the realm of mentalism.
35:37
Of course, rules can be bent and broke, but as far as it stands, I'm calling mentalism.
35:43
Next question, an easy one.
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The card to wallet.
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It is a card to impossible location.
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Is that magic, mentalism, or both?
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Depends. Did they think of the card or did they choose the card? Oh, that's a good one.
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Because then it's predicted. Crap. You know, if you've got a stack and you're
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doing something like Harrison Kramer online, where he's got incredible stack
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work from the POV perspective.
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And if that sort of named card just happens to be in his wallet.
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That's a blurred line right there.
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Yeah, see, I had it very black and white.
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And I was saying that it was magic because it's just a card to impossible location it is a transfixed,
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thing depends how it got there depends if it got there by magic or if it got
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there because you put it there earlier knowing that you'd meet the right person
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who chooses the right card,
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you know what when I wrote the question if I had been specific if I'd been specific
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when I wrote this and said sign card to wallet it would definitely be a magic trick,
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but the fact that it's just a card you've you've blurred the lines now and you
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it i gotta crap anthony what are your thoughts as i formulate mine,
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both yeah crap i'm gonna change my answer i'm gonna have to agree adam xford
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taking it by the horns and twisting its neck off it's now become both which i was not expecting,
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but that's what happens in a live zone all right but but nick at the end of
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the day it once again it's just based on one so we're talking about is it a
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prediction as opposed to.
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It being more magic presented it's just a presentation once again it's how it's
37:23
being presented and how the audience perceive what you're presenting which will
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which will give which will either give it mentalism magic or both yeah,
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oh yeah well that's that's the thing right because we we do tend to reinvent
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things and splice things up a bit because this next question,
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i think is going to breed some discussion and we're not we're only halfway through
37:43
so we're going to have to plow through the last of these which should be easier
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but there's a couple that i'm going to present now that are blurring the lines
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purposely so let's get ready for to discuss this one,
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question number 13 the russian roulette,
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Is it magic, mentalism, or both?
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The Russian roulette can come in many forms for those wondering what the effect
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is in its most traditional way.
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It could be something, I'm trying to give a PG-13 version of this.
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Perhaps there's six cups on a spinning table, ones filled with urine,
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and then you spin them, and then you would choose which ones have water and
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drink them, and the last one that you don't drink would be urine.
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Thank you for making that PG, bro.
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I'm going to go with broken glass. Something kids can get on board with.
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Yeah. Now, I guess, you know, there's certain ways that this could be different,
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but I'm going to share my answer first because I don't normally do this,
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but I'm going to say it is mentalism.
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And the reason I'm going to say it's mentalism is because this is something
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in which typically a performer will possess the intuition to know which one is safe.
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And I think that that intuitiveness isn't a magical effect.
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I believe it's something that happens within oneself of a superhuman nature.
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And I give that the title of mentalism. For that reason, what are your guys' thoughts?
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Cognitive tension, for sure.
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Because people are weighing statistics in their head, you know. I'll say mentalism.
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Oh, so Tim Asker made another good example of this, which is hook.
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The effect in which you put a hook in your mouth with several strings and you
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ask people to pull strings, and the last one they don't pull is that one. Mentalism, yeah.
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Mentalism. Mentalism with more visceral stakes.
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Wow. Shout out. Quick, quick, quick gear shift for a moment.
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Mr. David Rhodes, thank you kindly for your beautiful donation.
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That is very kind and your kind words. It says, thanks to Nick for all you do for the community.
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It is great that you put this one up no matter what else comes up.
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And also, please extend that.
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Thank you to our lovely guest today who, you know, kindly stepped in as we are.
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For $30. Appreciate that.
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Exactly thank you kindly to both adam and anthony stepping in at the literal
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last minute you guys are my heroes today because,
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i would have hate to have not done
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this episode and especially to have two experts like yourself it is such,
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a privilege to be able to share these thoughts so before we move on to the next
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question thank you david and lastly i think we can all agree the russian roulette
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effect is a mentalism effect yes,
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for sure wonderful again you guys are nodding but this is a podcast.
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You got to use your words. Yeah. All right.
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Verbal nod. Yeah. Richard 14. Another little cheeky thought. Another blend.
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Metal bending, Yurigawa, bent spoons, seem seemingly with his mind.
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Is this magic, mentalism, or both?
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It's perceived as mentalism, I think, by audiences. They think that the person
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has the power to bend the spoons using the power of their… Well,
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the magician's not… If you're a magician performing it and you're not showing,
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any actual sleight of hand or any physical, it depends on how you actually present
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the spoon bending as well.
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There's so many different ways of doing it that it depends on how it's performed,
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that would determine whether the audience perceive it as mentalism or magic.
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So I think if there's a lot more movement with your hands, then then the audience
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might believe that it's more
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magic if you're just holding the spoon in your hand and it starts to bend and
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you're you know really creating that illusion of,
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it bending using the power of your mind then and then the audience will perceive
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it i think then it comes across more as mentalism but,
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i think when yeah it just depends on how much you handle the spoon and what
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you do with it all right so would you say it's all magic mental magic it's Mental magic.
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That means it's magic. Because if it's, again, if it's got the title magic,
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it could be geek magic. It can be close-up magic. But if it's magic, it's magic.
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Here's the thing. I believe it's both.
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And I think it's because most mentalists will say, and I agree with you,
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Anthony, I think that most mentalists will say that it's the power of the mind
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bending the spoon. It's the same way that Neo does it in The Matrix, the power of the mind.
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And most magicians will say that it's magic because we understand that there
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is magic method applied to it. So I'm going to say it's both for the sake of time.
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And if you have a difference of opinion, Scotty Link believes that it's both.
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People don't see it as a puzzle.
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I don't, yeah, I don't think so. That's right. I don't think people see it as
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a puzzle. But yeah, if you have a difference of opinion, you know what to do.
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Next one is an easy one. Let's get some pace. Here we go.
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Torn and restored card.
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Magic. Absolutely. It is a visual restoration of a torn card.
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Easy done. This is an interesting one.
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When you name, place, animal, and thing. Very classic effect. And...
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Sorry, I'm stepping in quickly and answering these. I was just going to say
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that's a very common layperson effect. It gets performed a lot to me by people when I'm at parties.
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So I would say that most people would think of it just as a magic trick as opposed to being mentalism.
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Just because it's so common, you know, it's a very common effect.
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What, the name, place, animal and thing? Yeah. Okay.
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Adam? I'm going to need you to break it down because I'm missing the point here.
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I just know what you mean.
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Well, tell us what your perspective is when this performed to you,
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Anthony, and we'll go from there.
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So if this is the same effect that you're talking about, someone will say,
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write down your favorite. Tell me, think of your favorite color,
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and then you'll write something down and you'll put it on a piece of paper.
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Then you say, name an animal, an animal in the zoo, and then you'll write it
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down as well. And so it's like a one-step-ahead principle.
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I mean, it is mentalism in its essence, but at the end of the day,
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I think because I've seen it a lot and it's probably quite a common effect that people,
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lay muggles, whatever, might know, it probably comes across more and the way
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it's being presented by them, it's probably being performed more as a magic
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trick than as mentalism.
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But it is, yeah, I would say it is mentalism.
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And unfortunately, I haven't seen it really performed a lot in the mentalism way.
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You know what? I've just realized that if you perform mentalism badly, it's magic.
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That's upsetting.
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That is true. That is. That's because it is magic.
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All mentalism is magic. There's just a caveat. We're pretending not to do the
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trick. It is the devil's greatest trick is to convince you it doesn't exist.
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This is what we employ when we do mentalism oh okay okay i say it's mentalism,
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yeah yeah one ahead thing like that for sure yeah mentalism okay so here's an
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easy one question 17 signed bill in lemon signed bill in lemon.
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Magic magic magic magic it did it's an impossible location thing here's a blurred
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line the tossed out deck this throughout this was mentioned a lot in the last
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week's episode the tossed out deck is it magic mentalism or both,
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you welcome to show your thoughts as well there in the chat friends that's mentalism routine right there,
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yeah mentally receive signals right i'm seeing an ace of spades i'm gonna say
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that it is also mentalism because it is multiple minds being read.
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So, yeah, let's think of that one. This next one I'm interested in, here we go.
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The lottery prediction, I believe, is mentalism because it's a prediction effect.
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Yeah, it is. Yeah. Awesome. Okay, next one. Card Warp.
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Classic effect. Dan Holland has an amazing version of it. Visual magic.
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Perfect. So that is most definitely that. 21.
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Psychological Force.
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I think it's in the name right there. I think so as well.
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Mentalism. Mentalism. Number 22. Ring Flight. Abracadabra.
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Magic for sure it is indeed it is a object fingering vanishing appearing on
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your keychain that is an object transportation that is most definitely a magic effect,
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yes I'm ready to blur some lines question number 23,
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out of this world it's a card effect where they're mixed and then dealt down
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into two piles and then it turns out that they've separated in color from the
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red cards and the black cards,
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is that magic mentalism or both what are your thoughts chat.
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Anthony, what do you reckon? Okay. I think it's magic because the spectator
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is making the decision and they themselves know that they don't have psychic
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or mentalist abilities.
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So they know the only way it is possible is that the magician has,
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a magician, someone with ability has been able to make that happen.
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They would maybe try and think that they could have that ability,
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But I think most people in the audience would just say, nah,
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that's impossible. There's no way I could guess red or black, really.
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So there must be a trick to it. And therefore, it must be magic.
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It's a really good perspective. They're definitely like a hint of mentalism
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in the framing. However, like very few people go into like any actual nuanced
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justification of how the person is able to achieve it. So therefore,
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they're left mystified.
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It's a magic feeling. It's using cards. And there's just a little hint of,
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you know, the power of the mind or unconscious choices or whatever.
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So yeah, a little bit of mentalism, salt-based sprinkles on top of a magic trick right there.
48:39
I think what I'm hearing is that it's both. And I'm going to say it's both because
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there is, depending on how it's performed, of course, there is a notion of intuition
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playing into the effect in which you are just using your intuition to do your
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thing. So I think that's great.
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And then you could do it as a very simple, sleight of hand card miracle.
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You know, you could even do it in such a way where it's like,
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just by the touch of the ink on my fingers, I can tell that this is red and
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black. Or you can go remote viewing. I can show the audience and know what it
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is. There's a few ways you can go about this. So for that reason,
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I'm going to say it's both.
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And shout out to Josh Nobito popping into the chat, donating a staggering $7.99.
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Thank you, Josh Nobito. I hope you're well. And we look forward to seeing your
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handsome face next week. Let's go into question 24.
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The bank night routine.
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The bank night routine popularized most recently in a major way by the amazing
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mr archer who did his full-lust routine by john archer it's a beautiful routine,
49:47
the question remained after a selection of choices from envelopes one card remains
49:51
or one envelope remains rather and that would obviously have the prize the grand
49:55
total of all the winnings and monies and so forth is that a magic effect mentalism or both.
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Comedy mentalism right there comedy mentalism yeah it's interesting yeah yeah
50:08
no stakes you know it's like fun for enjoyment there's no real,
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yeah and it works out but there's no suffering like a roulette routine but it's
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the same yeah chat what are your thoughts and mr de manzi,
50:21
before you answer i'm going to say my piece i i kind of think it's both elaborate
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why is it both next i think it's both because magicians perform it,
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not as a mentalism piece,
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what about mentalists how do they perform it as it's supposed to be.
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But i guess it just goes to show that when you perform mentalism poorly it looks like magic so,
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So I think it's, I've, yeah, I think it could be both, but I'm going to actually
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give it, if I have to give it a title, I'm going to agree with you,
50:59
Mr. Axford, and say this is a mentalism comedy, mentalism piece. Anthony, thoughts?
51:05
Yeah, same sort of thought. It's, yeah, mentalism.
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Agreed. The second sight act is question 25. The second sight act.
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An effect in which someone might be up on stage, you might grab an item and
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they go, what am I holding? And then that person will know what you're holding. It's a second sight.
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Pseudo-psychic stuff. There's mentalism right there, hey? Mentalism.
51:33
Absolutely. The entire premise is based off mind reading and connection.
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And yeah. Here's an easy one. The zombie ball.
51:44
Magic indeed it is a visual levitation of what most commonly would look like a chrome kind of ball,
51:51
it can be different kinds of things but it most certainly is just a visual levitation
51:55
is the is the pillar of what holds up that effect that said that said when you see teleperformers,
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it it you feels like it's real magic like real like it almost real powers super
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we're talking about those powers again you know it's presented in such a way
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where you just look at it and go wow there's no way it could be possibly done using magic.
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This is it's been mentioned a few times in the in the chat now someone said
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what about spirit magic now spirit magic in my opinion falls into the realm
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of magic because it's x magic,
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so if we were to take something like the spirit slates,
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i think it's mentalism yeah i disagree the spirit the spirit cabinet and so
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forth you know like these are supernatural type of,
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things that they're experiencing and i think the supernatural realm falls in
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the magic realm eras the superhuman realm is what makes a mentalist so brilliant
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like you would probably agree that,
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sherlock holmes would be an amazing mentalist because he's, he's super, he's super human.
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He's got this amazing ability to look at a room and see things that we don't
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see. And that's what makes him special. That's what, that's what sets him apart, you know?
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So the nuance here is, do you have to suspend your belief to enjoy the peace?
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Or does the peace command you to expand your belief?
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And mentalism would force one to expand their belief of what's possible,
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whereas the magic would require a suspension of belief of what's possible. Dropping bars, bro.
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Yeah. That's, yeah. So I'm going to say that spirit magic, magic realm for that reason.
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But discuss after the show as we are slowly drawing to a close with only a handful
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of questions to go. Rapid fire round.
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The drawing prediction. Drawing prediction, same as the dupe,
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isn't it? Yeah, it makes sense.
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Now, this is one that you see Josh do quite frequently. It is any card called
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for, also known as pneumonikosis.
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A card is called for, it is found.
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Is this a magic effect, a mentalism effect, or is it both?
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That's magic. Magic. Yeah.
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Because it's very, yeah, I guess because it's so skillful, they could just call
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for a card and then you do a couple of cards and reveal.
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You may as well be plucking it out of thin air, right? So like it is magic.
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You're achieving it through high level skill and articulate moves in the moment,
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which is, you know, highly respectable.
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It's a magic moment. If you was to be like, I'm going to verbally communicate
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and influence you, and then you rattle off some nonsensical poem or something,
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and then you ask for some choices, then you could definitely layer that as if
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it was verbally influenced, subliminal hints.
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Would someone have to expand their belief or suspend it to believe that's true,
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you know? It's a magic trick.
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I think that is a very interesting perspective I've not given any thought to
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or seen in any books I can think of that I've read recently anyway.
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But that's a very good point suspending one's disbelief and expanding one's
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belief is such an interesting thought process so that being said,
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here's an interesting thought a thought of card to pocket magic or mentalism
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same as the wallet card and wallet right that's mentalism right there yeah.
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But my theory is that it's both and the reason is this it starts as mentalism but ends as magic,
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Well, if you'd be like, think of any card. Oh, that's wild because I put one
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card in my pocket earlier and here it is. Bam. For sure, it feels like a magical
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thing, but you are hinting at some kind of cerebral power or synchronicity.
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So, yeah, both is right, but it feels like a mentalism effect with cards.
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But I also think that... I think it's the way. Yeah.
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So go ahead, Anthony, because I have a thought on this. Just the way,
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the way, it would all come down to the way it's performed. So.
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If it's so clear and clean that the magician says name a card and then,
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there's no way, there's nothing in their hand and then the magician reaches
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into the pocket so cleanly and pulls out the card that they name,
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then that starts to take it to that mentalism realm.
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I think if there is a lot of things happening in between and the magician's
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got this hand and then they reach inside, then I think the audience these days,
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particularly an educator audience, will just say it's magic. It's not mentalism.
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So I think it's just, yeah, it's just that mentalism, the style of performing,
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like when you see a really,
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impressive, amazing mentalist, they do stuff that's like you just go,
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there's no way they're using magic.
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There's no answer to this. This is impossible. They've taken impossible to the next level.
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And I think that it is just that when there's an educated audience who have
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seen magic before and you do something in a way where it's done to there's no
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other way possible. It's not sleight of hand. It's not prepared.
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They just, yeah, you take magic.
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You take what you're doing to the next level. And I think, yeah,
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it really comes down to what happens in between them asking for the card and
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the way the card is presented when it's produced.
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Yeah. Okay. So I think that, I think that I totally agree. If we,
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if we just change one or two things, it becomes an entirely magical thing or
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an entirely mentalism based thing for sure.
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I think that if it, I think currently it blurs the two, which is why I believe
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it's both because it starts with a thought mentalism, but then ends in a magical
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effect, which is a transportation.
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If it was to be pure mentalism, it would be me putting a card in front of you
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on the table under your glass, not me even touching it.
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I asked you to change your mind several times or just think of one and turn
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it over that without question, mentalism, but magic would be like,
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look at the card. Do you have one in your mind? Terrific. I could be this one.
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And you throw it on the table.
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What's your card? Boom. That's a magic effect. Cause it's like a coincidence.
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It's a, you know, like there is, you got information beforehand.
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I think that that's what would clearly separate it from that.
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So for that reason, I'm going to say it's both.
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Anyone disagree? Good. My podcast. So.
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As we wrap this up, I thought I'd end it with a question, which is,
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which statement best describes mentalism?
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Is it visual impossibilities? That's A.
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Is it B, reading, predicting, or influencing thoughts?
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Or C, fast ass lighter hand?
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This is the level of questions i had on my australian citizenship exam,
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which is why i got a citizenship because it was easy as yes,
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and i'm glad we're all in agreement but i'll leave you with this final tiebreaker
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before we wrap up the episode okay because here's the thing,
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sometimes the methods can blow the lines of things and this is one that i just
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saved the very end so we can wrap this up and then we'll say our goodbyes and
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you guys can promote everything you have going on anthony you have magic festival
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shows going on we want to hear all about it so before we do that the final question is,
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if a mentalist performs a during duplication but is using like hidden electronics,
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does it become anything other than just the pure effect.
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So I guess what I'm asking is, does the method dictate or manipulate what the
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actual outcome is or should be?
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Outcome being either it's magic, mentalism, or both.
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I feel like the method is irrelevant, hey? It should be. I think so.
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I think methods shouldn't matter. I think that, because some people are like,
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no you got to be a purist man you can't be stooging people,
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that's that's mentalism right there you're gonna stooge someone that's like,
1:00:28
great like you're playing with trust you know this is it,
1:00:33
yeah yeah use whatever method you can i remember used to joke around people
1:00:38
how'd you do this and i went look i'm not saying i have done this but if somehow
1:00:41
i followed you home i snuck into your home look for your jewelry box to find
1:00:44
out secrets about you just to be able to feed it back to you and blow your mind,
1:00:48
these are the levels we go to to achieve there,
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just terrorizing this poor person,
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one of my favorite things is to um lock his doors,
1:01:02
he's just blacked out for a sec we'll do a quick padding hopefully he comes
1:01:05
back in time for us to wrap the episode up but one of my favorite things to
1:01:08
do is i'll do like an ambitious card routine and then i'll let them keep the
1:01:11
card and then i'll go you know if you take this card and you put it under your pillow tonight.
1:01:16
You know what's going to be there in the morning? And they're like,
1:01:18
what? And I go, the card. I'm not breaking into your house, you weirdo. What's wrong with you?
1:01:23
And it just gets this, like, it's this good pressure release moment.
1:01:27
They're like, what's wrong with you? Like, why would I even,
1:01:28
like, are you serious? Like, what do you think this is? You know,
1:01:30
and I play it off like that. So, well, gentlemen, it's been an hour and it's been quite a show.
1:01:37
Your input has been super valuable and your friendship even more.
1:01:41
So I could not be more thankful for you both being here. Friends of the pod
1:01:45
understand this would not have happened if these two beautiful humans weren't here.
1:01:50
So take a moment to thank both Adam and Anthony for being here.
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Adam, please tell us what you have going on before we wrap the episode up so
1:01:57
we can plug everything you do. And then we'll also have Anthony do the same.
1:02:00
What do you have going on?
1:02:01
Check out my Instagram. I'm capturing 1000 real moments of magic from my point
1:02:05
of view, sharing my magic perspective.
1:02:07
And I'm also doing breakdowns on YouTube to grow a channel over there and some
1:02:12
consult calls if you want to learn the methods behind the magic as opposed to just the psychology.
1:02:17
So yeah, give me a nudge.
1:02:20
I might chat to you after this pod wraps up. I think I could definitely use some of your services.
1:02:25
Anthony, please tell everyone the amazing things you have going on.
1:02:27
Tell us about the Magic School of Confidence. Tell us everything.
1:02:32
Well, thank you, Nick. It's been an absolute pleasure to be here today.
1:02:35
I'm here at my magic school, the Magic School of Confidence.
1:02:39
I consult for magicians.
1:02:41
I also teach magic for anyone that wants to learn magic and learn some performance abilities.
1:02:47
I also will be at the Melbourne Magic Festival, running the magic shop there
1:02:50
and also teaching magic workshops to.
1:02:54
Junior magicians daily so yeah hit me up if you ever want to talk magic or,
1:02:59
if you ever are in melbourne australia and you want to come and visit an actual
1:03:04
magic shop magic school and have a look at all of the beautiful books and all
1:03:08
of the magic we have here you're most welcome we'd love to see you,
1:03:12
well gentlemen personal big thank you for me from allowing this to happen it
1:03:15
could not have happened without you friends thank you so much for watching the
1:03:18
magic guys podcast we'll be back next week with our regular programming i will
1:03:22
also be performing alongside anthony de mazzi at the magic festival which is
1:03:26
where i actually met adam
1:03:27
some years ago and it was the most unique thing because there's something really
1:03:31
wonderful about watching a man perform and instead of people applauding they do this,
1:03:36
and they click their fingers because he's just spitting bars and everyone was
1:03:39
just it was the best it was one of the most amazing things i've ever seen and
1:03:42
it's such a pleasure to watch So if you do have an opportunity to see these two performers.
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You're welcome me so well. Thank you. Do take it upon yourself to see them.
1:03:51
Guys, thank you for listening. We'll see you next week.
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Stay in school, drink milk, and don't run with scissors.
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Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.
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But we'll see you again on the next episode of The Magic Guys.