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Pat Forde on Donald Trump's Absurd Plan to “Fix” College Football, Pimps in College Basketball | 03.06 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: to believe you are a hater and it is 40 Friday.
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  Speaker 1: Pat 40 of SI. What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 3: Not much. Hey, good. You know, March Madness happening. State
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  Speaker 3: of college sports in constant flux. Uh, Never a dull moment, Bo.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, some people get to go hang out
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  Speaker 2: in the Dolomites for a couple weeks and call it work.
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  Speaker 1: That covered the Olympics, man.
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  Speaker 4: They don't let everybody do it anymore, but it still
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  Speaker 4: seems like the best thing going.
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  Speaker 3: It's phenomenal. As has been said, it's the only thing
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  Speaker 3: worse than covering the Olympics is not covering the Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Because the logistical hurdles are ridiculous, right? Getting anywhere... language barriers,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. Days are incredibly long, but you
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  Speaker 3: want to be there. And then the stuff you get
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  Speaker 3: to cover is ridiculous. I got to cover both gold
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  Speaker 3: medal hockey games before they became political touchstones. The skiing, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: hanging out in the Dolomites, walking around Cortina, Italy. Not terrible,
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  Speaker 3: not terrible. I recommend it for anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else is a really long day
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  Speaker 2: of covering stuff? We've done conference tournaments.
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  Speaker 1: You give me the option.
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  Speaker 2: Of the grueling day of the conference tournament or the
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  Speaker 2: grueling day of traversing the Dolomites.
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  Speaker 1: Traverse it shall be. I mean, I love a conference.
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  Speaker 1: Conference tournaments are a lot of fun to cover.
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  Speaker 3: They are. But you're right. When it's game four and
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  Speaker 3: it's like 1130, you know, and you're sitting in some
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  Speaker 3: half-empty arena, you know, watching the eighth-place team play the
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  Speaker 3: ninth-place team or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's always that game.
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  Speaker 2: It's always the eight nine in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: night and you're just like all right man yeah whatever
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  Speaker 2: yeah you got it you got it but um i
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  Speaker 2: don't know like what the timeline is or the schedule
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  Speaker 2: that saturday night live uses in terms of writing their
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  Speaker 2: um sketches but i feel like the cold open for
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  Speaker 2: saturday night live is written and it is this meeting
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  Speaker 2: that donald trump is supposed to have about, that's like
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  Speaker 2: a state of college football situation.
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  Speaker 1: And for those of you who.
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  Speaker 2: Are unaware of this, the range of names that is
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  Speaker 2: going to be here, if I had told you in,
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  Speaker 2: had not told you in advance what all these people
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  Speaker 2: were going to be doing, I'm not sure you fully
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  Speaker 2: could have guessed. Like you would have had an idea, but.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been sure.
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  Speaker 2: So we have many people who are going to be there.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to throw some names out there. Nick
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  Speaker 2: Saban is going to be there. Mack Brown is going
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  Speaker 2: to be there. Urban Meyer, Okay, he's going to be there.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame's athletic department director, Pete Bavacqua, will be there.
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  Speaker 2: The ex-AD at Notre Dame will be there. Jack Swarbrick,
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  Speaker 2: former AD at Oklahoma. Joe Castiglione will be there. Tim
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  Speaker 2: Tebow will be there. Charlie Ward will be there. Someone
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  Speaker 2: you may not have thought about in a very long time,
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  Speaker 2: but suddenly I have some idea of who Charlie Ward
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  Speaker 2: voted for, and it's disappointing. Cody Campbell, who has a
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  Speaker 2: gazillion dollars and has single handedly made Texas Tech a
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  Speaker 2: relevant player.
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  Speaker 1: But to be fair to him, I have to say
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  Speaker 1: he he has. He's not a fool.
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  Speaker 2: He's just a tiny bit diabolical. We got all these
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  Speaker 2: athletic directors, but also this, Adam Silver's going to be there.
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  Speaker 2: Rich people like David Blitzer and Mark Gannis and Jerry Cardinal.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea who those people are. I just
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  Speaker 1: know they're rich. Tiger Woods is going to be there.
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  Speaker 1: Bryson DeChambeau is going to be there. Condoleezza Rice is
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  Speaker 1: going to be there. The president of ESPN, the president
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  Speaker 1: of Fox.
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  Speaker 2: It's like anybody that ever watched a college football game
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  Speaker 2: is going to be there. And as one of our
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  Speaker 2: colleagues who need not be named Learn the hard way.
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  Speaker 2: Just because Trump says y'all going to talk about college
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  Speaker 2: football doesn't mean you're going to talk about college football.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. This is total, yeah, SNL cold open. satire material,
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  Speaker 3: if we've ever seen it. Because what the hell? I've
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  Speaker 3: heard say by people in college sports, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: bigger the meeting, the less likely things are going to
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  Speaker 3: actually get done. This is a pretty big meeting, disparate
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  Speaker 3: people who argue. I mean, can you imagine Tiger Woods,
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  Speaker 3: who famously does not like to waste time sitting there
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  Speaker 3: trying to lock in on what the president of Tennessee
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  Speaker 3: is saying about what we need to do?
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  Speaker 4: Like.
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  Speaker 3: What is he going to be possibly interested in this about?
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  Speaker 3: Bryson DeChambeau, seriously? Yeah, well, I went to an SMU
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  Speaker 3: game once. Okay. Appreciate that. This is a classic Trump,
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  Speaker 3: let's just throw out a bunch of big names of
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  Speaker 3: people who like me or I like them and get
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  Speaker 3: together and they'll listen to me bloviate for a while
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  Speaker 3: and probably nothing will get done.
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  Speaker 2: And also, to be fair to Trump, which I am
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  Speaker 2: loathe to say, but is the case. This is what
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  Speaker 2: the college sports infrastructure has begged for, is could somebody
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  Speaker 2: else come fix our problems for us at every turn? Like, just, hey,
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  Speaker 2: what if this gets so bad, then somebody has to
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  Speaker 2: come in and fix it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: And give that a try. Like, this is in part
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  Speaker 2: what they asked for, while also... What in the world are.
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  Speaker 1: We doing here?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I'm trying to imagine with all those people, there's
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  Speaker 2: going to be like some measure of introduction. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what could the minutes possibly be or the agenda
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  Speaker 2: possibly be.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So like, who wants to go first?
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  Speaker 3: DJT is going first. The question is when he ends.
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  Speaker 3: Is anybody still like possibly following the bouncing balls? Is
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  Speaker 3: it still a college football discussion or college sports discussion?
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  Speaker 3: And then yes, who picks it up from there? I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, man. This is a high potential for complete chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I also think the part of this that's interesting
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  Speaker 2: is if they're like, so what do we do about
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  Speaker 2: college football?
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  Speaker 1: It's not like There's one thing, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like we're going to fix college football. That's not the
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  Speaker 2: same thing as fixing your car, right? Like there's fixing
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  Speaker 2: your car and then there's tuning up your car. If
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  Speaker 2: you tune up your car, there are a million different
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  Speaker 2: things that you might do. But if you're fixing your car,
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  Speaker 2: this thing is broken. And so we're going to fix
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  Speaker 2: this thing. This isn't that kind of car, right? Like
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  Speaker 2: if a car had as many things broken as college football,
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  Speaker 2: you could never have that many things broken at one time.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the radiator hose is detached on this as
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  Speaker 2: is now. It needs a new timing belt. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the biggest one. It feels like at any point,
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  Speaker 2: the piston, like the engine block could get cracked at
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  Speaker 2: this at any point because so many moving parts are there.
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  Speaker 2: And I was thinking to myself, if I were going
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  Speaker 2: into that meeting with good intentions, I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: where would I start? What would be thing number one
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  Speaker 2: that we supposedly need to deal with?
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question because it is, it's like, You
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  Speaker 3: have 99 problems and the ways to fix them are not,
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  Speaker 3: there's no consensus on how to do it. If you're
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  Speaker 3: going to start somewhere, I think you start with transfers
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  Speaker 3: and eligibility lawsuits, right? I don't think there's a great
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  Speaker 3: appetite for seeing 25-year-olds in their seventh year saying, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, I'm not good enough to make the NFL
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  Speaker 3: or the NBA. I'm going to go sue in court.
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  Speaker 3: for somebody that still needs a quarterback. So there's not
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  Speaker 3: a great appetite for that. And then secondly, the constant transferring,
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  Speaker 3: to me, diminishes both the academic part of this whole thing,
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  Speaker 3: which does theoretically still exist. Secondly, the attachment, I think,
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  Speaker 3: of fans to schools. If it's every single year, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know any of these players. I think that diminishes
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  Speaker 3: the attachment there. So those would be the two places
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  Speaker 3: I would start. But look, those are the two areas
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  Speaker 3: that certainly in the transfer area, college sports has gotten
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  Speaker 3: its butt kicked in court constantly. The eligibility things, they've
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  Speaker 3: had a little better success, but it's a constant legal
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  Speaker 3: challenge there. So, you know, can you sit there in
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  Speaker 3: the new East Wing ballroom the gilded and ornate ballroom
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  Speaker 3: and come up with a plan that you can then
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  Speaker 3: go to Congress and say, here, enact this and save
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  Speaker 3: us from having to go to court 73 times to
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  Speaker 3: make something happen. I don't know. I think this is, again,
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be a lot of theory and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of discussion. What it tangibly leads to remains
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  Speaker 3: to be seen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I feel like to me, it maybe is
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  Speaker 2: just a broad thing, but like the only thing that
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  Speaker 2: is worth taking the time to discuss as such a
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  Speaker 2: meeting to me is, We have got to figure out
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  Speaker 2: what steps need to be taken so that we can
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  Speaker 2: come to some sort of agreement with players so that
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  Speaker 2: we can then legislate and negotiate out.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these issues.
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  Speaker 2: Because their biggest issue you just pointed it out is
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  Speaker 2: everything they used to do now they get sued for
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  Speaker 2: it and they lose right like everything everything that kind
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  Speaker 2: of made this game work now they all get sued
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  Speaker 2: the other thing was for them the fundamental part of
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  Speaker 2: what they did was this idea of amateurism and it
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  Speaker 2: was like hey if you get some money then that
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  Speaker 2: means that you can't come participate over here except now
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  Speaker 2: they give people money And so now, okay, so like,
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  Speaker 2: what is the idea of being a professional? Trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to deal with this idea and this
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  Speaker 2: on the player end, I don't know how they legislate
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  Speaker 2: this out, but you know, I do not have kids
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  Speaker 2: that have been of college age, but I have taught
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  Speaker 2: quite a few of them and I know enough to
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  Speaker 2: know this. At those ages, you may pay them like
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  Speaker 2: they're professionals, but they're not pros. Like they're not of
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  Speaker 2: the age. Like it's different if you got like an
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  Speaker 2: 18 or a 19 year old on your team full
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  Speaker 2: of adults, but when it's all of them, Like, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: like a bunch of them, they make.
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  Speaker 1: Such horrific decisions.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't, this isn't, they're not capable of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the idea that you give people money and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden they turn into what you think the
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  Speaker 2: money is supposed to represent.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just not how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: But we had my buddy Joel Anderson on here a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago and he was talking about the
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  Speaker 2: collective bargaining idea for players, which really gets to the
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  Speaker 2: biggest thing is that will the NCAA and its members
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  Speaker 2: ever come to terms with the reality that they're just
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  Speaker 2: going to have to declare these players as employees? It's
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  Speaker 2: the simplest way to, just don't talk about it that
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  Speaker 2: much because like you agree, I don't think there's a
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  Speaker 2: great appetite for the idea that they are professional players.
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  Speaker 2: But if you just get that in the paperwork and
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  Speaker 2: then go from there, it gets a lot easier to
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  Speaker 2: fix this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, undoubtedly, that's the biggest stumbling block, right? Is the
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  Speaker 3: fact that there is no that we have a pretend
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  Speaker 3: system of non-employment when it's increasingly obvious that they are
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  Speaker 3: employees in an employee-employer relationship. I've had people, you know,
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  Speaker 3: who make their living in administering college sports who say,
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  Speaker 3: we can't do it or we'll all be bankrupt. The
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  Speaker 3: point there being, we can't do that and have all
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  Speaker 3: the other sports. So that's kind of become... I guess
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  Speaker 3: the conflict point, the tension point is, you know, yes,
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  Speaker 3: the football and basketball players are employees. We need to
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  Speaker 3: collect the bargaining. That would be the best way to
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  Speaker 3: do that. Everybody else doesn't necessarily fit that parameter. And
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  Speaker 3: if we turn this solely into an employee-employee relationship with
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  Speaker 3: all the infrastructure that would go along with it, we
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  Speaker 3: can't afford the other sports. And that's where I think
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  Speaker 3: there'd be a lot of pushback from people saying, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: we want college sports to be all this other stuff too.
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  Speaker 3: So how you get out of that? I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: unless you take football especially and just break it away
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  Speaker 3: from the university and you have Crimson Tide LLC and
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  Speaker 3: you pay rent to the University of Alabama to use
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  Speaker 3: Bryant-Denny Stadium and you pay rent a licensing fee to
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  Speaker 3: use the logos and the colors and the school fight song,
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  Speaker 3: but your coach and your staff and your players are
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  Speaker 3: employed by Crimson Tide LLC and they don't even have
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  Speaker 3: to go to school then. Then we don't even have
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  Speaker 3: the charade of them, you know, getting a 3.4 when
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  Speaker 3: they never set foot on campus. So that, I think
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  Speaker 3: maybe the way you can get out of this, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't know whether anybody wants that either.
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  Speaker 1: Yo. So I think you raised a very interesting point.
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  Speaker 2: That's important because you talked about the academic element of
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  Speaker 2: it being somewhat theoretical, right?
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  Speaker 1: But there are two things, right?
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  Speaker 2: One of them being these boys are still going to
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  Speaker 2: have to live a life after they play these games.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to look, you can write it down.
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  Speaker 2: These stories are going to start coming in five years,
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  Speaker 2: maybe 10 years about how all these boys got all
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  Speaker 2: this money and all of them were broke.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not going to be because of anything necessarily terrible,
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  Speaker 2: but that's just how people of that age spin. And
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  Speaker 2: if you get yourself acclimated to a certain lifestyle, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be able to dial it back. The
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  Speaker 2: advice economy around it is terrible, dah, dah, dah, so
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  Speaker 2: forth and so on. But professional athletes don't keep all
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  Speaker 2: their money. We're going to find out these guys are
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  Speaker 2: going to be broke.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Um, The idea, it used to be that the football
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  Speaker 2: or the basketball or whatever it was, was the way
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  Speaker 2: to get the education. The education was the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: what was going on in life. Now, a college degree
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  Speaker 2: makes you less money, relatively speaking, than it ever did
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  Speaker 2: in the past. I totally get that. But you don't
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  Speaker 2: even have to go to school. You know what that
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  Speaker 2: sounds really cool to?
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  Speaker 1: An eight-year-old.
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  Speaker 2: An eight-year-old is like, ooh, we don't even have to
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  Speaker 2: go to school. And I'm looking at that like, well,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, the girls are there. I know not
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  Speaker 2: everybody cares about that, but the girls are there. You're
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  Speaker 2: not really doing anything else. You'll want to hop over
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  Speaker 2: there at least every now and then. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: think people are honest about the fact that we're not
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  Speaker 2: just in this for the football, like the football or
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  Speaker 2: the basketball is nowhere near the quality of professional, right?
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  Speaker 2: We're in it for the totality of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this stat that 22
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  Speaker 2: players in America this year will participate in senior night
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  Speaker 2: in basketball at the only school that they attended. I
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  Speaker 2: think the big 10 has one player, who would be
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  Speaker 2: a senior at the school that he started with. And
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  Speaker 2: I didn't care about these things until I started, you know,
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  Speaker 2: really covering sports when.
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  Speaker 1: I was living in North Carolina. But I came to
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  Speaker 1: love senior night. Like it is a, like, there's a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That goes on with the idea that a kid is
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  Speaker 2: there for four years or the fact that he's not
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  Speaker 2: a kid by the back end, but he comes in
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  Speaker 2: on the front end.
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  Speaker 1: You see the ups and downs.
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  Speaker 2: And when you cover a team, we know the things
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  Speaker 2: that we don't write down about what's been hard about
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  Speaker 2: what the thing has been and everything else. And the
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  Speaker 2: parents come and everything else. And I just thought about it, man.
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  Speaker 2: What is senior night now? Other than like, like the
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  Speaker 2: last day of school. Right.
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  Speaker 3: The last day of school is, at the last of
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  Speaker 3: your five schools.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's, I did see that stat and it is,
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  Speaker 3: it's profoundly shocking, right? For those of us who grew
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  Speaker 3: up watching exactly that, watching decades of senior nights and
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  Speaker 3: at the places where, you know, a North Carolina, a Duke,
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  Speaker 3: a Kentucky, where it really means something, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: wear that jersey for the fans, right? For the 22,000
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  Speaker 3: fans that come to those games. And, you know, I shoot,
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  Speaker 3: I had three kids that were, they were college athletes
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  Speaker 3: and we had seniors day for all of them and
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  Speaker 3: they were all at the same school they started. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't want to mean to go old
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  Speaker 3: guy radio here, but there was incredible value in writing
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  Speaker 3: out some of the stuff they wrote out where they
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  Speaker 3: wrote it out. And then graduating with peers, friends, colleagues
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  Speaker 3: that they're going to, that they're still with, you know,
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  Speaker 3: great friends with. You know, during a lot of this
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  Speaker 3: transfer stuff, I wrote a story in the summer about
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  Speaker 3: some of this and looked at A.J. Storer, in particular,
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  Speaker 3: a basketball player who is in Mississippi now, had been
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  Speaker 3: at Kansas, been at Wisconsin, St. John's. So it was
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  Speaker 3: like a different school every single year. Nice young man.
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  Speaker 3: Hope the best for him. But the process of writing
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  Speaker 3: this and talking to other people like, where do you
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  Speaker 3: go for homecoming? What letter jacket do you have in
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: the closet? Do you belong anywhere? And he talked to
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: like Matt Painter at Purdue is really good on this
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: subject too. You come to Purdue, you're good, you're bad,
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: but you're on the team for four years. Guess what?
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Somebody in medical sales in Indianapolis has given you a job.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: You're going to have a support network, professional opportunities. that
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: exist because you were a Purdue basketball player for four years.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: If you're a Purdue basketball player for one year, you
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: go somewhere else, they may not be that invested in
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: you in the next place. So there's a lot of
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: give and take that comes with the freedom to move
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: around every year.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is something that I don't think is
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: going to come up in that room that Trump put
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: together because one thing I noticed about the room they
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: put together was nobody is there to speak on the
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: interest of players.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Right. Like the only former players.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Charlie Ward won the Heisman Trophy 33 years ago.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Right. Like Tim Tebow. I think he's got to be
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: 40 now.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Tim Tebow is a senior in 2009, I believe.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, and let's face it. Tim Tebow was your
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: grandfather's player in 2009.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: He's not going to be sitting there relating to the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: 2026 realities of things.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And boy, it's funny too, because Tim Tebow would have
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: made $ 150 million.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: If he had played right now.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't have gone nowhere either. That's the other part.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Like, I feel like he's the one, like it's been
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: very interesting watching the way that Archie Manning is managing
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: his grandson's career, where it is very clear. He let
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: him know early, you don't need this money. You don't
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: need to go anywhere. You are going to be here
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: for four years. Like, People laughed at my guy, Nate Tice,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: when he said this, but I think it's true. Arch
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Manning would be the number one pick in the draft
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: this year. And this was never a consideration.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. We gonna ride this thing
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: out here.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: No doubt. No, I mean, look, that's been a long
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: game play the whole time. And it's not just Archie,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: but Cooper too is dead. And I think they looked
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: at this and said, you can go red shirt, be
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: a happy backup, and then be what you can be.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: But there is no reason, in that family to say, yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I need to go pro after three years. Hey, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: need the money or I need to go prove myself.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: There'll be plenty of chances for that. Right. That is,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: that is a privileged situation. Not necessarily not an unearned privilege,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: but it's a privileged situation.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Hey man, you take the flexibility as you get it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And he's the one that has it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Um, and I, And I'm thinking about just this, the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: idea of what these guys are meeting about and what
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: there is to possibly talk about. And I wonder, like
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the things that you and I just talked about, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: we are, you know, we're saying this as not young
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: people necessarily, but also as people who've been around this
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: in various capacities for a very long time. I wonder
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: who there is in the room or if there's anybody,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: because everybody there really has a tie to money more
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: so than anything else. does anybody stop and take a
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: moment to be like, hey, so why is it anybody
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: likes this stuff in the first place? Like, that's the
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: thing that I noticed so often is no one ever
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: asked the question of, so why are people here? Like,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: that's how you wind up with new Coke, right? Like
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you ignore people were here because they liked the way
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: it tasted. Now you think you're going to change it
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and everything's okay because it's in the same can?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: No! Bring us back the old shit. And they brought
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the old shit right back.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: On this one, I just, I wonder if they, if
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: anybody stops and asks themselves, so why is anybody here
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: in the first place?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Like, I think a guy like Saban is interesting. And even.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: duplicitous though he may be urban Meyer. I do think
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: that those guys both believe in something fundamental about like
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: what this experiment is. Like I do know Nick Saban
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: absolutely believes that football and everything else can change the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: trajectory of a lot of these guys lives and not
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: just about.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: The money that they could make, but you know, a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: lot of those things.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Outside of money, I wonder if these people are capable
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: of understanding like why people file in to come to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: these games, you know?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It's not because of the quality of play. It's about
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: this whole thing that's been put together.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's such a great point is the understanding
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: and appreciating the fabric of college athletics, right? And is
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: it simply a means to winning games and getting rich
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: or is it just getting rich and winning games But
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the rest of it, all of it and what brings
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: 100,000 people to Tuscaloosa, Alabama on a Saturday night or
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: to 85,000 to Clemson, South Carolina or 103,000 in Columbus,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Ohio is a bit disconnected from where we are right now.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: And so an appreciation for what has made college sports special, different, unique.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And then how to keep it while also not violating
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the law and not taking advantage of the players that
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: do the work that makes them so popular.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Right. And I think that's a key point that doing
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: right by the players is job one. Right. Like, I
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: think that is the most important thing. And a point
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I made, I remember I wrote a column about this.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I guess this is now over 15 years ago when, uh,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: They kicked in the door in North Carolina over the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: football program. I was like, hey, man, something everybody needs
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: to understand is there are going to be changes. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: to be fair, we're not necessarily going to like what
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it means. But if that's what we have to do
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to be fair, then that is what we have to do.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: So I do think I, on one hand, fully appreciate
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and understand there's going to be need to be a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: transition from some of what we knew and some of
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: what we loved in order to get to a place.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Where Um, that is equitable.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Um, at the same time, I'm trying to figure out
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: what on the player end, how do you bat? You
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: have to give people the right to make terrible decisions, right?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It's the American way. That is how it works. But man,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I just feel like this system incentivizes some really, really, really, uh,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: terrible decisions.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Like your point about Matt painter is a great one.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Stick with me, kid.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You're going places like somebody, somebody will take care of you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: If nothing else, you can get into every game for free.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: If you stick around here and you do it right, then,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a future for you within this and
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: you lose that with the infinite transfer game. But I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: was also thinking about it when you were just talking about,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you know, the kid being nice and you wish him
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the best. And you brought up something I hadn't thought
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that much about.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Who are your college friends?
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Like who like who do you take with you from
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: all of this?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And these are questions that nobody in that room is
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: going to think to ask.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. But that. You know, that is, it's
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: one of those things that comes up when you talk
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: to people. And again, that I saw with my kids that,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you know, played, they swam, but they're teammates that they
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: were with for four years, five years are still their friends.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Now the oldest is 31 years old. He still talks
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: to those people every day. They're part of his life.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: If you have moved from school to school to school,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: What's the support network? Not even just support network, but
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: your peers and your people you talk to every day.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: So maybe it still exists. And we have been in
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: such a, I guess, transactional mindset when it comes to sports.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Going back to youth sports now, I mean, kids changing
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: high schools frequently because when daddy finds out you've got
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to get more playing time over there and we need
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: more playing time for junior. And so you're just in
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: this constant spin of kind of almost a nomad existence
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: that you wonder what the tradeoff is.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And then the coaches in there, I know what they're asking.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: They don't even coach anymore, but look, Nick Saban. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: we saw this in basketball, Krzyzewski, Roy Williams, Jay Wright.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: We could name a few more guys that looked around
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and was like, nah, man, I ain't doing this no more.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Like this is, this is, this is B this, this
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: is not the game that I signed up for.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I will never forget in my life.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Roy Williams sitting at that table talking about, opt out
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: like I don't even know what that means he defended
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: his sensibility so much he blew that pop stand and
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he never came back but I say on the side
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of coaches I can't imagine how chaotic it is where
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: like every no system can exist where every day is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a negotiation You know, and.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what it feels like it is.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, in the SMU case, the documentary,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the 30 for 30 that ESPN did, I think it
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: was called Pony Excess. And they just made a point
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: about how it was that the money was never good enough.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: And since it wasn't legal, and since somebody could always
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: tell on you, you were really always in some form
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: or fashion at the mercy.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Of of this kid being like, yo, I need my money.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Now you're kind of sort of in that same place,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: except they've got these one-sided contracts going against the players.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: But even if, if the player's like, hey, it's Auburn-Alabama
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: this weekend, I'm not playing, what you gonna.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Say, we'll sue you later?
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: No, you might have to capitulate to something now. Like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine what life is. And you talk to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: these guys a lot more than I do, right? Like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: they're not the most sympathetic figures, but I can't say
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: they don't have a point.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean, that's... Like, obviously, yes. For years
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: and years and years, the players were completely taken advantage
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: of by the system. And now the pendulum has swung
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: back enough so that the players are taking advantage of
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the system, sometimes to the dismay of the coaches, right?
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of fun to see the pendulum go
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: that far, but it doesn't mean it's an ideal system.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: And I can't have some sympathies for it. There have
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: been players this year that I have been told, I
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: cannot prove it, but certainly basketball players that Hey, you
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: know what? I started the season. Well, I need more
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: money or I've got an injury that may keep me out.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: And we have seen guys not play. And then maybe
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: they got more money or maybe somebody said, no, you
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: can't really do this, but it's happening. It is absolutely happening.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: We saw it in football season, getting late in the season.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I feel like I've produced well enough. I need some
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: more money. I'm on the, I'm going to put me
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: on the injury list. You know, it, there's no doubt
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: that those games are being played. And when the contracts
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: aren't necessarily enforceable, when it's not employee-employer, guess what? You're
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: kind of stuck. And this was the old days, like
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: you were saying, when they were getting paid under the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: table and nobody was supposed to know about it. Where's
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: that a little bit of leverage then? I can blow
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: this whole thing up if I tell everybody what's actually
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: happening here, or you can give me some more money.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: No, they had it all. Like, this is.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Part of why we love this world is that it
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is chaos, but there was a measure of order that
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: kept it going.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Again, I can see why people.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Are saying we want to send everybody to make the
• 27:06
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  Speaker 2: and we're talking about this meeting Donald Trump's having, the
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  Speaker 2: college football meeting, and everybody's in there. And you know
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  Speaker 2: it's about politics because it's just about college football, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like that is seen as a certain red state, red
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: meat sort of situation when, as you and I discussed,
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  Speaker 2: I think the broader issues are about just politics. the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: relationship with players and what needs to be codified. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: then from there, the transfer portal, which look, it made
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: sense in the past that you had to sit a
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: year for transferring, right? I mean, I think there's an
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: argument that it made sense to have freshmen in eligibility,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: but the problem is it has been struck down by
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the courts for fair and good reasons, right? I don't
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: think it ultimately serves in most cases, but understandable that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they're there. Everybody bounces around every year. Everybody has the,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: everything's a one-year contract.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Basically.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And this, I think, is actually a much bigger deal
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: in college basketball than it is in college football. And
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the fact that basketball is not in that room points out, again,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the political nature of that. But especially where a basketball
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: player can swing so much where, look, the top level guys, right?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: The Cameron Boozers, the young man at BYU, Darren Peterson,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: they're not going to another school.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: We understand this. We get that. They're about to head
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: out of here.
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  Speaker 2: But these guys that before would have been second round picks,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: but now I can stick around and make a couple
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: million dollars. They're sticking around, but I'm not saying stick
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: around at a school. They just sticking around in college.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: They're going somewhere else because the money is waiting on
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: them right there. And you reached this point where I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was thinking about when Lawrence Moten died a few weeks ago.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And I was like that sort of figure that I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: will remember forever, but was not an NBA player.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Like you remember the Sox. He was just a guy,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: but he played at Syracuse forever. So you knew who
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: he was. That that's the part that doesn't exist anymore.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: No. Yeah. No, that that's, That is the endangered species
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: of college basketball, for sure, is that high-level college player
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: who's in one place for four years or whatever amount
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: of time and becomes a fan favorite for life, Lawrence
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Moten in Syracuse. You can find many examples of them everywhere.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But no, that's like, look, it is year-to-year, contract-to-contract, And
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: if you make yourself marketable, you know, you put yourself
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: out there for the next team and you see what
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: the market will bear. And usually it's going to bear
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: more than where you were if you've established yourself. So
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: the fact that this is a football only discussion is, again,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: part of the fundamental problem with trying to fix college sports.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: People talk about fixing college sports. They're talking about football.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: There's so much more than football. that actually matters to people.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And you can't really get at a solution for everything
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: as long as football dwarfs everything else.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: And there's, there's an ironic situation going on now in
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: college basketball, the Darren Peterson situation at Kansas.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And I just want to say, it appears to me
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: that he is hurt.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how all the decisions are being
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: made necessarily, but what is so interesting is he didn't
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: have situations like this when the guys weren't getting paid
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: or getting hold on, let me put them finger quotes in.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: There, weren't getting paid. But one would think that with the.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Payment, that there would be a greater incentive to go
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: out here and thug it out a little bit if
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you get hurt. But no, actually in this world, the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: economy around him is like, yeah, this is cool, but
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the real money is waiting over there.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But the real money was always waiting over there.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And I don't recall there ever being a scenario that
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: feels like this one.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Again, because I think, I don't think he is well.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine what the conversations are that are
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: going on back and forth around that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: But you would have thought the money should have cleared
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: up this problem.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: You would think, but it's, it is fascinating because I
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: think that was the hope by, by coaches and ADs
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: is like, well, now they really have to play all
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: the time and they got to play hard and maybe
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: even play hurt. And we've, you know, we're paying them now,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: but no, that, that dynamic has not really kicked in.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And especially again, what's the power of the contract? Is
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the contract really actually serving to protect the school or
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: is it just serving to enhance the player's compensation. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: especially when you are one and done, like these guys,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, it is a phenomenal group of freshmen basketball players.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Phenomenal. And they have established, all right, I am good
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: enough to be picked in the top 10 of the NBA.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: What else do I really need to do here? You know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I think the best word, I agree with you on Peterson.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: When he plays, that dude wants to win, it looks
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: like to me. I mean, that guy wants to win,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: but is there still something somewhere saying you're hurt just
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: enough that let's just not. Right.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And the problem, I mean, As it all goes, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: as the system plays itself out, this is going to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: be an interesting NCAA tournament because college basketball is not
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the national topic of discussion that it used to be.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I find myself following it less because it's less of
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a topic on a show like this because it's less
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: of a topic for the audience. There is an audience,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: but it's like Kentucky fans listening to a Kentucky podcast.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: about basketball you know so forth and so on but
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: you just mentioned this is a class like the last
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: class that i remember being discussed in these terms was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: 2014 now that didn't exactly pan out with andrew wiggins
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: jabari parker joelle mb uh julius randall aaron gordon marcus
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: smart we got a you know well he wasn't a
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: freshman but we got a handful of other guys that
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: were there this one though when i have seen those
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: guys who are at the top we seem to have
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: like superstar possibility here, but some of this mobility and
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the things that we're talking about is kind of why
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: this isn't the thing that it was. Like if we
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: drop Zion Williamson off in this year, does he become
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the phenomenon that he did in 2019?
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Great question. Probably not just because it's a crowded landscape.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: As you said, I mean, Peterson, AJ DeBonsa, um, uh,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Kingston Flemings at Houston, Darius Acuff at Arkansas, so on
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and so forth. I mean, there are– Boozer, clearly. I mean,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: they're like eight to ten guys that are just lined
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: up there at the top of this thing. And I
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: will be very interested to see NCAA tournament because the
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: one dynamic here is, you know, the freshmen are incredibly good,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: but we still have old teams. And who wins this battle,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: the really talented freshmen or the old teams? And for
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the most part, the old teams have won since Anthony
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Davis was run on the court in 2012. So we'll
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: see whether these guys can change that dynamic at all.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I give Duke a very
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: good chance of it with Boozer and company.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Old teams have always won. Kentucky won it in 2012,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and Duke won it in 2015. Something I always found interesting,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Krzyzewski made the whole paradigm shift starting in the year
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: 2009 when they tried to recruit John Wall. That was
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Kyrie Irving comes in the next year. But
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they did not get Wall. They won the national championship
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: that year with an old team. And if you looked
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: at the results from when the paradigm shifted for that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: time period and take that same time period and put
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: it before, the results were exactly the same.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: More or less, right?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Cal who is in a very interesting situation here where
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: he usually would have like a bunch of Darius, a cuffs,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't, he only has one. It's very rare
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: that a John Calipari team has the one star that
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: carries it in the way that a cuff is doing
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: with that team at Arkansas.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Cause it's a whole different world that he's in.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Like, and, and by the way, it sounds like Cal
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: has finally made.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Peace with the change that he made.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: You know, he, It's been an interesting year of change
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: for the man.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: It has been. And, you know, look, I think Cal
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: would love to go back to the days when he
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: had five of the top ten freshmen in the country.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: But that's not the way the market is working right now.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: And that's another interesting part of this whole thing of,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: and I kind of like about, you know, the players
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: getting paid here. It's dispersed the talent. Kansas has a megastar.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Arkansas has a megastar. Duke has a megastar. BYU has
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: a megastar. You know? It's not just a cluster of
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: freshmen in one place that's saying, we're in charge here now. Yeah,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Cal has been an interesting part of this. You know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: he's actually now speaking less as the renegade disruptor, I guess,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: as he always kind of characterized himself. And now kind
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: of like– We need a little more stability around here.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: It's like Al Davis at those owners meetings at the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: end of his time, right? You look around and you
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: realize you've been here longer than everybody. I mean, Cal's
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: been coaching damn near 40 years. He's not at the
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: same place, so he's not like Ray Meyer was at DePaul.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: But you look up at all these guys we remember
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: when they first started. We remember when Judd Heathcote, who
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: was there forever- until Izzo there came and Izzo has
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: been there forever. So what they've had two coaches for
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: the last 55 years, I want to say.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, forever. That's like unheard of, frankly out there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, like this is it.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: It, it is quite the time um boozer and everything
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that goes on at duke shire i can't get a
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: great handle on exactly because shires teams have been consistently
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: good um I don't know how good I know or
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: think that he is at this point. I don't watch
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: as close as I used to, so I can't be
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: as molecular. But they sure lost that game at the
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Dean Dome this year that I didn't think they was
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: going to lose.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. To me, this is, for Shire and Tommy Lloyd
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: at Arizona, this is a season of you need to have...
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: A great run in March, and it needs to not
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: end in flaming disaster. You got a great run in
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: March last year, but it ended in flaming disaster. They
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: blew a 12, 14-point lead in the second half to Houston.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: The year before, it ended in flaming disaster against North
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Carolina State. The year before that, it ended in flaming
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: disaster against Tennessee. They need at least, hey, die with
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: your boots on, man. If you're going to lose, make
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: it a great game. Show up. and play really well.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Same with Tommy Lloyd at Arizona. They've got two of
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: the best teams. They need to win a national title
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: at some point, but even if you don't, don't punk
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: out at the end. So it's a high bar. Look,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: you're the coach at Duke, man. You got handed Mike
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Krzyzewski's job in your 30s. That's where the bar is.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Meet it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to point out, by the way,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that you were only listing the Shire flaming disasters. But
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: if you dial back one more year, we could get
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: to the two biggest flaming disasters in the history of
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Duke basketball. Coach K's last home game, lecturing his.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Players before everyone because the party had already been planned.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: And then losing the game in the Final Four. And
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: that takes me to Hubert Davis because, hey, I don't
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: know if they'll ever be happy with Hubert. And honestly,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: I think Hubert has proven.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: To be a good coach, but I don't know if
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: he is a coach that can consistently perform at the
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: level that Carolina fans want.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: However, hey, man, his tenure has been a success. There's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: nothing that could possibly.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Happen after 2022 that changes the fact. He won literally
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the two biggest games in the history of the program.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: This national championship part is not what this is about, man.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Hey, without question, I was there for both of those games.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: And the one at Cameron was truly shocking because North
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Carolina was all over the place before that. The shelf
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: just really didn't look like they could get it together.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: And you come in and you ruin the single biggest
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: send-off game in the history of college basketball because John
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Wooden never did that at Pauley Pavilion and Bob Knight
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: never had a chance to do that at Assembly Hall.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Dean Smith didn't go that way. And it was all
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: orchestrated for that. and you win that game. I will
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: never forget too, they're gonna do the little ceremony after
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the game. Told you they absolutely thought they were gonna win, right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: The players come filing back out of the locker room
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: for the ceremony and they all have this look on
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: their face like, we're the worst people in the world.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: I can't believe we did this. I mean, it was
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: just unbelievable. And then to double down and do it again,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: in the Final Four, you're right. Hubert Davis will always
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: have a warm spot in the hearts of North Carolina fans.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter whether he wins the title. Now, they'd like
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to win titles, obviously.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It was so funny leading into that, because I was
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: talking to my guys in North Carolina, and they would
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: come across people who would be like, well, you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Coach K., he doesn't really want all this attention. She
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: must be crazy. Like this, this, this was, this was
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: a preventable set of circumstances. And what will shock me
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: about that forever is when Carolina was terrible in oh
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: one and oh two. And she just, I think they,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: they played them in the ACC tournament where Carolina had
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to play in the game. They used to call the
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: less Robinson invitational, the eight, nine game for the privilege
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: of playing against the one seat. And so they were
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: so bad. They were in the eight, nine game. And
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: then they played Duke and then Duke beat them. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: they were getting a little too happy about it. Krzyzewski
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: came and told them, hey, it's not going to be
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: like that forever, right? Like, you might want to be
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: easy in the way that you handled this. And it's
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: so funny that his recognition that they're never really dead
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: did not kick in about what to do in this moment.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: And it's Paolo Bancaro just sitting there.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Like, man.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yep, we let the whole school down.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And Mike Krzyzewski is not the kind of person to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: come and tell you, it'll be okay, it's not your fault.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. I guarantee the practice the
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: next day after that, oh my God, it had to
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: be a bloodbath.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: That is a documentary we need to find a way
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: to make, is the day after practice.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Like there's people with their recollection of something happened this
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: day and the next day was the worst. Or my favorite,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the story of Dino Gaudio after they lost to Cleveland
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: State in 2009 at Wake Forest, a team that was
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Final Four good and lost in the first round. Gaudio
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: tried to have practice the next day. This will shock you,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: but James Johnson did not go.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Dino Gaudio didn't quite have the weight to pull
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: that one off.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then I forgot about Dino Gaudio.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Did he have to go to jail or did he
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: just simply get a felony?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did not go to jail. Honestly, I can't
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: remember the resolution for that. But, I mean, it's just
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: another federal investigation at Louisville basketball. There's been like three
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: of them. You know, it's hard to keep them all straight.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: An underrated college basketball story for those who don't know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Gaudio was an assistant at Louisville, and they were letting.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Him go, and he extorted, or attempted to extort Chris
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Mack and tell the world about illegal violations.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: And as was the case with somebody, and in that case,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: completely wrong. We tried to extort Josh Pastner.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: They just called the cops.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Which.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Look, there's been a long history, frankly, of extortion in
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: college basketball because nobody ever calls the cops. Louisville did.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: It's incredible. It does remind me, I hate to divert here,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: but what we've been talking about, about the old underground economy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: This is back when players could go straight to the
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: NBA out of high school. One of them had signed
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: with a college to play and had taken college a
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: large sum of money from that college. And then he
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: went straight to the pros. The college, uh, sent somebody out,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: basically not quite a bounty hunter, but somebody said, go
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: get our money. And one of the guys house is like,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I need the money to give back to the college
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: that you took. That's how things worked back then.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: What a dive.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of college shenanigans, have you seen this story from
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Cal state Bakersfield?
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I have not. Okay.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to read it for you. Um, Is
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: the lead going to be enough? Okay, so this is
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: the lead from Shweta Sarendran. I'm not familiar with her
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: work at ESPN, but Dateline in Bakersfield, California. The men's
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: basketball program at Cal State University, Bakersfield, won't turn many
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: heads with this last place ranking in the Big West Conference.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to scandal, the school could be
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a top contender. And you're saying to yourself, like, how
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: big a scandal could it possibly be to merit.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: That lead, huh?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Cal State Bakersfield Athletic Department has been in upheaval since
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: August 29th when the then men's basketball coach Rod Barnes
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: opened an anonymous email from a tipster who alleged that Barnes'
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: temporary assistant, Kevin Mays, was also working as a pimp
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: across four states. Other lawsuits, internal investigations, dismissals, and finger
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: pointing have only served to deepen the department's sense of crisis.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, my.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll fast forward a little bit, and criminal
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: charges have been filed. Mays, who is being held without bail,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: faces a hefty rap sheet of 11 criminal and misdemeanor charges,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: including felonies such as pimping. He was also charged with
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: possession of automatic firearms and high-capacity magazines and possession.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Of methamphetamine and marijuana with intent to sell.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Separate charges cited him for possession of more than 600
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: images of youth or child pornography and distribution of obscene
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: matter involving someone under 18 years old.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Barnes, I would say, as this case reverberated
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: in Cal State Bakersfield, the school announced in September that
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Barnes and athletic director Kyle Condor had left their roles.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: And Rob Barnes, who I believe had coached at Ole
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Miss in the past.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Like, he was a somebody.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And if I had to guess, he had no idea
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: that this was going on.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Rod Barnes that I knew from Ole
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Miss was so square he was divisible by four. Like,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: that guy was your good Christian coach. Like, for him to–
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: he must have been so removed from minding the store.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: You know, who knows? Somebody said, hey, you need to
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: hire this guy. Okay, sure. I just can't imagine him
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: having any idea. But for this to happen on his watch,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: oh dear.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: A pimp across four states. And by the way, he is,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and this is where it probably has.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: To really hurt for Barnes.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: He appears to be a, oh yeah, he is a
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: former player at Cal State Bakersfield from 2014 to 2016.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Right? So he got friends there.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: That are like, hey, okay, we'll go ahead and we'll.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Get you on the job. And so, yeah, he played
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: for Barnes.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: He played for Barnes. And, yes, this is the– this is– wow.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Man. See, that– you never know. That's part of the
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: diversity of college sports. You never know where the next
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: you-got-to-be-kidding-me scandal is going to erupt.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And a part of it, too, also is, hey, man,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I'm cutting them assistant coaches is always trying to find
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: a way to get a little bread here and there.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: That's the, that's the Chuck person. You know, it's amazing.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Bruce Pearl went unscathed in that situation. It will weigh
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: just counting down his days to go.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Back to LSU, you know, all these things that happened, but.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Chuck person just needed some money. Like the idea that
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of these assistants were fronting the money themselves
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: to get players.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: It's like, Truly, that's probably the room to get into
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: at the Final Four, the NABC back room at a
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: bar or something and get those guys all. How much
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: did you lay on the line just to try to
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: keep your job and eventually become a head coach?
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like these are the guys so happy that somebody
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: else is.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Actually providing the money now.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Right, like I have to come up with, what was it,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Todd Bozeman, didn't he come off.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Like $ 30, 000 of his own money to get Jelani McCoy?
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: I believe so. I believe so. I think so. Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, you got to do some hustling. And now, yes,
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: at least you just go to the collective and say
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: you do the hustling.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: You know what, though?
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: There's always more money like that's going to be the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: next level of this is we're going to find out
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: somehow that of that other game is still going on
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: in some form. And see, this is stuff we need
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: to get them out there talking Donald Trump about Donald.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine how enraptured Donald Trump would be if
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: we started talking about those stories?
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Honestly, if you got all of the assistant coaches who
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: got pinched in that federal investigation like eight years ago,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: get them in a room with Trump. That's how you
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: find out what's really going on.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Those guys were a bunch of suckers. You never spend
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: your own money. You never spend your own money.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: You just tell them you'll pay them later, and then
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: one day they ask for the money, you tell them
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you'll pay them next week, and then you just stop
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: taking their calls.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's something Donald Trump would have never.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Gone for, paying $ 30, 000 of my own money.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. That's a dude who knows how to work
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the angles. Are you kidding me?
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Pat Forty, check him out at SI.com, covering college sports. Hey, Matt,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I know you're about to head into the real March Madness,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: covering all of this stuff.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: That's Big 12 tournament next week and then the big
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: dance after that.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Big 12 is going to be a fun one, though.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it should be good.
• 51:55
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