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Why Surgery Is a Journey | Dr. Corey Goldberg · Aesthetics Unscripted

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SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Aesthetics Unscripted.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Kim, and I am so excited to introduce you today to renowned plastics surgeon, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Corey Goldberg, a Form Face and Body in Toronto.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for joining us today, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Goldberg.
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SPEAKER_01: Hi, Kim.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a pleasure to meet you, and I'm really excited for our conversation today.
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much again.
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SPEAKER_00: And can you please let our viewers know it's time to go ahead and crow a little bit about yourself?
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SPEAKER_00: You could brag up on your long and illustrious career, why form face and body?
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SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about being located up in Toronto?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm I'm Toronto based.
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SPEAKER_01: I was born in Toronto, so this is kind of home for me.
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SPEAKER_01: I did uh my plastics residency here in Toronto.
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SPEAKER_01: I did get to spend a year in uh Los Angeles doing a pediatric craniofacial fellowship uh a few years ago.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh and uh yeah, along the way I did a master's thesis in stem cells and tissue engineering um at MBA and uh found my way back to practice here in Toronto.
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SPEAKER_01: I've been practicing for 20 years in Toronto and really proud of the space that you see behind me here.
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SPEAKER_01: This is uh this is Form.
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SPEAKER_01: Um it's a 24,000 square foot campus in Toronto with uh wellness, healthy longevity, and surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: We have an OR suite, uh, and we just opened our doors in April.
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SPEAKER_01: So really, really excited about the space and uh what we're gonna be able to offer here.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's absolutely astounding and fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm so passionate also about stem cell therapy.
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SPEAKER_00: And I feel like down here in the States, we are so far behind the entire world with it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I know a lot of plastic surgeons that are wildly talented and they love what they do, but they don't have any kind of drive or passion about going as far as you have with opening up this amazing facility.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what was the what's the motivation behind that?
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SPEAKER_00: What's a mission?
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a lot of years.
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SPEAKER_01: Through my training, I really recognized that the way we approach patients in general, in medical care, not even in aesthetic care, just the approach to patients with the reactive, uh, you know, kind of whack-a-mole medicine, as it's called, is it really just didn't feel right.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh when I got into the aesthetic industry and finished my plastic surgery training and started working, it just it really was very clear to me that you know most of our patients have the same kind of medical issues.
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SPEAKER_01: They were all following the same path down a uh, you know, uh adding comorbidities and eventual decline.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and of course, on the aesthetic side, we see the the effect of that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I realized that nobody was really looking at those root causes.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, what was causing the aging?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we we were treating the outcome, we were treating the wrinkle, we were treating the the the end result, but never really addressing the underlying issue and never really thinking about the patient in a holistic fashion.
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SPEAKER_01: So it you know, over the years I realized that that just wasn't being done.
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SPEAKER_01: I and I had my own personal health journey in 2010, uh, you know, it was a 50-pound weight loss.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and following that I actually had some gynecomastia surgery, and I recognized that the way surgery and and you know healthy lifestyle fit together, it was a transformational time for me.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and following that, I really started to get more involved in my patients' lives and managing them from a holistic point of view, uh, dealing with uh you know oxidative stress and how to handle that around surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and that has grown over the years and eventually culminated in the space that we have here, um, in which I really think that we can look at patients from that perspective and offer them that kind of holistic 360 care, uh manage their health and make that a part of their aesthetic journey.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's incredible.
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SPEAKER_00: And I have a very big complaint about that, even with just um your your regular non-aesthetic medicine, your conventional medicine, we're always treating the cause and not the symptom.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm so happy to see that finally in 2026, so many countries, much less regions in each country, are stepping up.
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SPEAKER_00: Doctors, individuals such as yourself are not only aware of this issue, but you're taking very active steps to move forward to, as you said, treat the cause and the symptoms.
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SPEAKER_00: So your outcome is a full 360 result.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's fantastic.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much, Kim.
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SPEAKER_01: I I mean I think it's the it's the right shift in that, you know, the the uh Peter Tia talks about uh medicine 3.0.
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SPEAKER_01: And I absolutely, I mean, that's the right thing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's the the predictive precision care, um, and it's not just traditional medicine that I think needs to make that evolution.
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SPEAKER_01: It's aesthetic medicine and and what you and I practice.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's that approach to the patient looking for those those root causes and getting at something before it happens.
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SPEAKER_00: I know your philosophy, as we discussed before our session today, is one that I am really passionate about as well, that surgery starts long before your actual surgical date.
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SPEAKER_00: So can you um just explain to the viewers what exactly do you mean by that?
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SPEAKER_00: And what is your suggestions and how do you handle it up in form and face and body?
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SPEAKER_00: When someone's coming to you, they have been determined to be a surgical candidate.
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SPEAKER_00: And what's that whole process about?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you decide and decipher who's the surgical candidate, and then walk me through the steps.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I came to you, uh, maybe I want an upper blef.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, do you see some laxity with my skin?
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SPEAKER_00: Other issues are going on.
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SPEAKER_00: I know you talked about sleep, and they're we're bringing up nutrition as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So walk me through the whole process, please.
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SPEAKER_01: Traditionally speaking, surgeons are very technically focused, and and surgery is a one-day endeavor.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you you cut, the patient comes out of the operating room, and then you're done.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, the more advanced surgeons, you know, they would follow a patient for a month and make sure they're okay and then you know, a discharge.
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SPEAKER_01: When that advanced, you know, we recognize that we really need to treat patients throughout a longer recovery.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, surgeons would follow patients for longer, but in the end, it's still a very episodic approach to care.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, show up for surgery and then you're done.
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SPEAKER_01: Surgery, in my opinion, is not that at all.
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SPEAKER_01: Surgery is a journey.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, your your journey to surgery starts at a young age.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you don't know that you're gonna want to facelift when you're 60 at age 20, but really, if you manage your wellness and your health from that stage, it means that you can stave off having surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's later or maybe it's a less invasive procedure that you would benefit from.
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SPEAKER_01: So the journey to surgery then becomes a lifetime endeavor.
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SPEAKER_01: When someone decides that they're at a point that they would like to consider surgery, the approach that I have and that we have here at Forum is you know to bring them in to get them prepared for surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: And that preparation at the very least is a couple of months.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and ideally, we're going to be managing patients, you know, we want to do their genetic profile, we want to be looking at their inflammatory levels.
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SPEAKER_01: Getting those things under control, finding the risk factors that patients have that they don't even know about allows us to prepare someone's tissue, uh, you know, reduce their background inflammation and oxidative stress, making them a better candidate for surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, one of the things in my own journey that I recognized, when I started taking care of my own health, I started paying attention to my patients.
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SPEAKER_01: And when I operated on them, I recognized the difference in their tissue from person to person.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, that person who has a healthy diet and healthy lifestyle, and they're eating, you know, you know, a vegetable-forward diet, those patients, their tissue holds stitches better, it heals better, it has less infection.
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SPEAKER_01: In surgery, if somebody has a complication, universally we will we will use an expression, it's poor protoplasm.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, patients got poor protoplasm, that's why they had a complication.
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SPEAKER_01: That happens because someone isn't properly prepared for their procedure.
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SPEAKER_01: If we take the opportunity to prepare someone ahead of time, that means when they go through surgery, they have less risk, they're gonna have a better recovery.
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SPEAKER_01: And then at the end, it's not like you just finish with the patient and walk away and go to the next surgical patient.
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SPEAKER_01: That patient still needs your management.
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SPEAKER_01: And that management is for the full six or 12 months following the operative procedure to make sure that they get the best result that they can.
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SPEAKER_01: And at the end of that, you don't kick them out or you know, wait for them to come back for their next surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the time that you make sure that you get them into their healthy longevity and maintenance cycle so that they can maintain their results as long as possible.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, stave off any secondary procedures or later procedures, make sure that they they are as healthy as they can be so that you're addressing someone from an aesthetic and a health point of view.
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SPEAKER_01: And I know our conversation is going to get there, but I I really feel very strongly that that health and aesthetics are actually one and the same thing.
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SPEAKER_01: So to me, journey is the surgery is a journey.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm so um adamant about that as well when we're down here trying to educate patients pre- and post-surgery, that, or even non-surgical at all, having nothing to do with surgery, that you cannot possibly look beautiful on the outside or if you're not feeling great and you're not healthy on the inside.
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SPEAKER_00: So, beauty, your aesthetic definitely starts from within.
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SPEAKER_00: And I preach the same thing.
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SPEAKER_00: You have to pay attention to your nutrition, your sleep, your stress levels.
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SPEAKER_00: How do you manage your stress?
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SPEAKER_00: What's your lifestyle like, how much sun exposure do you have?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, there's so many different factors.
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SPEAKER_00: And then, like you said, you know, you want to go back to your chemistry, you want to come to your physicians and your surgeons such as yourself and your facility where you're getting testing to find out what's going on with your inflammatory levels, where are your vitamin panels at?
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SPEAKER_00: There's just so much involved with being properly evaluated and then cared for, and then follow-up care that it worries me immensely that we're in a society right now where it's like, oh, there's a TikTok trend and I'm just gonna go do this.
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SPEAKER_00: So that same patient that will budget and research for up to a year or more for a luxury handbag will just jump in to race after a trend and not really research the doctor, the facility, the trend.
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SPEAKER_00: If they hear no from a responsible surgeon such as yourself or your faculty, they'll just go around the corner to somebody that says yes because they're obsessed with this idea of fast beauty.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh my goodness, no, this all has to stop because we're seeing people dying left and right.
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SPEAKER_00: We're seeing disfigurement with these botch jobs.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm sure you're seeing a lot of botch jobs that you're correcting on a regular basis.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very scary to me.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm so happy to hear everything that you're saying.
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SPEAKER_00: I totally believe in it.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, they I I mean, you're absolutely right.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, definitely in these past few years, seen more complications from abroad.
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SPEAKER_01: And patients are approaching surgery as if it's a commodity.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you you don't buy surgery off of Amazon.
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SPEAKER_01: You you're not getting surgery from a corner store.
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SPEAKER_01: Surgery, it's not just about your health, it's about your long-term life trajectory.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and it has to be timed appropriately for the right person, and it has to be dovetailed and fit in with your overall health.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's incumbent on us in our profession, in our industry, to help change not just the opinions and the approach that our colleagues have, but how patients perceive what we do and understand that it is not just a moment in time that you do this and and you follow that trend in an instant.
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SPEAKER_01: This is about a long-term, you know, a set of decisions and a lifestyle, not just a momentary uh, you know, uh procedure.
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SPEAKER_00: Amen to that.
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SPEAKER_00: And as usual, I've meet all these wonderful people through the podcast, these great surgeons and doctors and nurses such as yourself, and you're never in New York.
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SPEAKER_00: I wish you were down here because here in the States uh with my soma cell treatment, it's acoustic wave therapy.
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SPEAKER_00: It's very much for the non-surgical candidate who, for one reason or another, is contraindicated, but we also use it pre- and post-surgically because it comes from the medical field for rapid wound healing.
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SPEAKER_00: So anytime we're doing structural repair and regeneration, as you said, we're treating the patient months or even years in advance.
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SPEAKER_00: So when they come and they're finally on the table, you're going to see beautiful tissue, you're going to see excellent outcomes, you're going to see faster recovery, and it all works together, uh, just like many of the treatments that you provide through your wellness longevity clinic.
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SPEAKER_00: So I'm regretful that you're not here.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh fabulous.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I totally support the approach, and uh, and that's exactly the right way to do it.
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SPEAKER_01: The healthy longevity components and the non-surgical aesthetic components, those are the two sides of the same coin, and and that's that's the right way to approach patients leading up to surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: Surgery is not the only fix.
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SPEAKER_01: Surgery is not for everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: It's you know for the right patient, the right procedure at the right time, um, and everything around that is about preparing them.
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SPEAKER_01: It's about avoiding surgery, if anything, um, and and then recovering people and managing them afterwards to make sure if there is a surgery that they have the best, the best outcome possible.
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SPEAKER_00: So let's go back to um something that you said before about oxidative stress and inflammation.
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SPEAKER_00: Why is oxidative stress and inflammation so important?
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SPEAKER_01: The uh best way to think about oxidative stress is it's like a form of rust in our body.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh we take for granted that uh you know our cells, our body is working continuously to produce energy, to produce substances.
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SPEAKER_01: That effort has byproducts, pollution, as it were.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, if you look at any kind of power plant or any factory, they produce something and then there's byproducts.
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SPEAKER_01: Our cells are no different.
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SPEAKER_01: Our cells, as they are functioning, they produce byproducts, and among those byproducts is this oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the oxygen-free radicals.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, oxygen is such an important molecule.
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SPEAKER_01: Of course, it's the source of our energy.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what we use to produce energy, but it has a double side to it because oxygen, when it has a charged state, it actually is really harmful.
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SPEAKER_01: It will then try to damage your DNA and your proteins.
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SPEAKER_01: So when our cells are working really hard and they're not doing very efficient work, they will produce this oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_01: It damages our cells and actually is one of the one of the fundamental sources of aging.
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SPEAKER_01: There's a term, it's inflammaging.
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SPEAKER_01: The idea that this inflammation, which is largely caused by oxidative stress, is actually the source of aging.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the thing that's harming your DNA, it's the thing that's harming your epigenetics.
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SPEAKER_01: So managing oxidative stress is actually a fundamental part of life and of surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: In 2010, at the same time as I kind of went through my own personal life transition, I was introduced to a product called glycodin.
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SPEAKER_01: This stuff is, I mean, made a dramatic change for my patients.
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SPEAKER_01: And I have to be honest, when I first started offering it, I really didn't think it was going to do anything.
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SPEAKER_01: I just thought, okay, I'm doing this holistic thing.
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SPEAKER_01: When I saw the outcomes for my patients changed so dramatically, it really changed what I thought.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's when I started looking at it more seriously and reading about it.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I learned, you know, learned a lot about oxidative stress and its effect on humans and especially around surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: Surgery is a controlled trauma.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's there's no other way of describing it than that.
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SPEAKER_01: The patient may not feel it, they're asleep, but you're performing trauma on them.
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SPEAKER_01: The outcome of that is inflammation.
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SPEAKER_01: And inflammation drives oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_01: As your body is trying to heal, that damage and that extra effort is causing oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_01: So by managing that and lowering oxidative stress, we can improve surgical outcomes.
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SPEAKER_01: And outside of surgery, we can actually change the trajectory of aging and avoid a lot of the consequences of that.
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SPEAKER_01: So oxidative stress in our body, we have a mechanism.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the mechanism, this principle mechanism, is an enzyme.
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SPEAKER_01: Some would say it's one of the most, if not the most important enzyme that we produce in our body is called superoxide dismutase, SOD.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, this SOD stuff is fascinating because uh of all the proteins and enzymes in the world, this one is actually produced by almost every living thing on the planet.
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SPEAKER_01: Plants, single-cell organisms at the bottom of the ocean, almost everything produces this with very few exceptions.
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SPEAKER_01: And actually, it's almost identical.
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SPEAKER_01: Between plants and us, there's like one amino acid, there's one out of 135 little structures that's different.
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SPEAKER_01: So, with that, this has been preserved in our biology for about three billion years.
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SPEAKER_01: And in fact, this enzyme, when it evolved at that point in time, it was when plants started to produce oxygen in our environment, environment, and that oxygen as it accumulated in the atmosphere is the thing that started causing oxidative stress because before that there was no oxygen, so there was also no oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_01: When that started to build up, it actually was almost an extinction-level event on the planet.
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SPEAKER_01: It was called the Great Oxidation Event, and actually it almost ended life completely well before humans ever came around.
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SPEAKER_01: This enzyme, SOD, superoxide dismutase, this is the thing that those life forms evolved in order to survive.
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SPEAKER_01: And here we are today, and we still produce the same enzyme.
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SPEAKER_01: Our mitochondria produce the same thing, another version of it.
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SPEAKER_01: So we actually have more than one version of this enzyme in us, and it is the key way that we manage oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_01: If we didn't have this enzyme, we would die very, very quickly.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's not a lot of ways of increasing that enzyme, but actually, this product, glycodin, does do that.
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SPEAKER_01: It's an oral agent that you take, and actually it stimulates you to make more of your own.
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SPEAKER_01: So you increase your antioxidant abilities, and that's the that's the magic of this product.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so I really I mean it's a keystone for me in my surgical practice uh and and for general health.
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SPEAKER_01: And I've personally been using it for 16 years.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and I there's 40 or more human studies on it at this point in multiple organ systems showing benefit.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh so for me, this is uh I mean a key way of managing oxidative stress.
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SPEAKER_00: Did you develop this product or you discovered this product?
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SPEAKER_00: It was already on the market for glycidin.
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SPEAKER_01: I had nothing to do with developing this product, and uh it was brought to me by an aesthetic uh you know sales representative from a laser company.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and she said, Hey, there's this new thing, try it out.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: I said, Sure, why not?
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SPEAKER_01: I'll give it to my patients.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's a nutraceutical, it's actually uh a plant derived.
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SPEAKER_01: The only two ingredients in it one is from a melon and the other is from wheat.
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SPEAKER_00: So this is very interesting because down here in the Casis is not something that we talk about very much.
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SPEAKER_00: So again, it's great to have you on board.
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SPEAKER_00: I love to talk to doctors, surgeons, scientists from all over the world so we can keep sharing all of this information.
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SPEAKER_00: What how do you handle the patients that come to you, whether they're local or they're medical tourism, and they're really obsessed with an idea about doing a certain surgery to look a certain way, but they're not candidates.
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SPEAKER_00: How do you handle that?
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SPEAKER_01: As a surgeon, probably the most important decisions that I ever make are the ones where I say no.
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SPEAKER_01: Um and it's a funny thing in our industry, we we have forgotten how to say no.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, there's a clear bias.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, we earn a living by selling treatments and surgery to people.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and and the industry has unfortunately followed that to a point where we have offered a lot of things, surgical and non-surgical, to patients that we really shouldn't.
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SPEAKER_01: Um it's resulted in some very terrible outcomes.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we all know those those people.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's really unfortunate to see that.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, we're disfiguring people.
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SPEAKER_01: And and so with that, I think, you know, the industry, it's really important that we learn to say no.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, when it's appropriate to do something for a patient, you proceed.
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SPEAKER_01: And when it's not, you need to redirect them.
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SPEAKER_01: Or it may not be the right time, you have to get them better prepared for surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: And and I kind of look at the idea of aesthetic surgery and managing someone's aesthetic as being an integral part of managing their healthy longevity.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't see these things as being two separate items.
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SPEAKER_01: I, you know, people recognize very well that if you're healthy, that it reflects in terms of how you look.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, healthy people tend to look better, their skin is healthier, but actually it also goes in the other direction.
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SPEAKER_01: People who are are aesthetic and feel better about how they appear, and I call that self-image.
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SPEAKER_01: It's sort of your perception of yourself, that very much actually does influence your biology and your level of inflammation.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and so that that relation of soma psyche, mind, and body comes together between aesthetics and healthy longevity in a principle I refer to as beauty span.
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SPEAKER_01: And beauty span to me is the idea that, you know, in our industry, what we're trying to do is not just in a moment paint on or apply beauty, but rather to craft it or create it over a lifetime.
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SPEAKER_01: And that requires interaction and participation with the patient.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not just something that you do to them, it's something that they're doing with you.
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SPEAKER_01: And then surgery becomes a part of that.
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SPEAKER_01: But in helping someone to address their aesthetics and addressing something that makes them feel better about themselves, that self-image actually then changes.
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SPEAKER_01: It means that you've taken agency in your own appearance, uh, it means that you feel better about how you appear and how you present yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: That affects your psychology very directly, and most certainly affects your social interaction with the world around you.
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SPEAKER_01: We're social animals.
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SPEAKER_01: So the idea that you manage your own aesthetic to a point where you are pleased or satisfied with your self-image, in fact, actually is a fundamental part of being human.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, there's been this term vanity that gets applied in our industry and in the world at large.
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SPEAKER_01: I really don't like that term at all.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's actually a very harmful term.
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SPEAKER_01: It's the idea that, you know, if you look after how you look, somehow you're bad or something is wrong with you.
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SPEAKER_01: I think nothing could be further from the truth.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: There is no shame and there's nothing wrong with taking care of how you appear.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: There's a limit to that.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: And if you go past that limit and your practitioners and the people treating you take you down that path, that's when you get into bad places and that's when things are unhealthy.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: And of course, nobody supports that.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: Taking care of how you appear, just as it is taking care of your own health, in my opinion, these are two of the same things, and that's beauty span.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: It's the idea that health drives beauty and beauty drives health, and we need to think of patients from both dimensions.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: I feel like as long as we're enhancing naturally and we're not going like to these, you know, extremes, what is wrong with that?
21:15
SPEAKER_00: You want to age gracefully, you want to age, I mean, let's put it this way, you know better than I do, more and more persons across the entire planet are living to be 100 years old or even older.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Don't you want to do that well?
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Don't you want to do that with grace and with style and with class and with beauty?
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Why not?
21:31
SPEAKER_00: Right?
21:31
SPEAKER_00: So when we do something like um understand the beauty span philosophy, understand that this is about confidence, this is not about vanity.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: Like if you want to go spend your money on a luxury handbag, great, I'm not gonna judge you, but you could also apply that same money and that same confidence to your own body and say, you know what, I'm gonna spend time researching and investing in myself, and it's gonna make me feel amazing if I do this right.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: New wealth.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, traditionally, of course, people you know have the the nice bag or the the the designer outfit.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: It's a sign of wealth, okay.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: A real sign of wealth is you know hitting 90 and 100 and and still going skiing.
22:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, though those people who maintain their health through their lifetime and get to that point where they can continue to enjoy, that's true wealth.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, and people are recognizing that.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: And I recognize that people are now not just spending more money, but more time, more of their effort, more of their attention on themselves, recognizing that they have the opportunity to change how they age.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: And and we have a lot of control in our lifespan and our health span both.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I mean, it's not just about how long you live, but it's about how healthy you are while you do it.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: And if you do it right, if you make that investment and participate, um, you will genuinely change how you age.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: And aging is not a sentence.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: You know, most people think of aging when I give talks about the you know, healthy longevity, you know, I'll ask the question how you know, how many people in the room want to live to 150?
23:01
SPEAKER_01: And most of the time, very few people put up their hand.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: Why?
23:04
SPEAKER_01: Because they picture being old and and frail and not being able to go out and not being able to do the things that they enjoy.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: That's that's exactly not the point of healthy longevity.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: That's why it's called healthy longevity.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: It's not just about living a long time, it's about living well while you do it and looking good at the same time because those things are the same.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: It's it's form and function.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: Form follows function just as function follows form, they fit together.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: That's beauty span.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: And if we do this right, I I mean, I personally, I'm I plan to make it to 120, maybe 150.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: There are some people who believe that we're gonna reach a longevity escape velocity and be ageless.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, that's you know, to be determined.
23:42
SPEAKER_01: But uh, but at this point, I think a child born today living to 150 is uh absolutely realistic.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: And I agree with you that a lot of persons, I'm one of them, like you, I'm like, my lowest target is 109.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: So yay.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: But um persons, so many people I know that don't feel the same way that you and I do, it's because they're like, I don't want to be in a wheelchair drooling it out of the corner of my mouth.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, and they're like, so I'm gonna check out by examining 85.
24:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, what?
24:10
SPEAKER_00: You're not even old in my book when you're like 80.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: So what do you mean you want to check out at 85 because you think you're gonna be drooling out of the corner of your mouth in a wheelchair?
24:18
SPEAKER_00: This is not reality anymore.
24:19
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: We can take steps.
24:22
SPEAKER_00: We can we can definitely um follow longevity plans such as the ones that you provide through form, face, and body, and self-educate and become more and more aware of so many different factors of our entire lifestyle that will tie into our aesthetics and our health and it all go together and we could live a great life.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Why not?
24:44
SPEAKER_01: Life is what you make of it.
24:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and being able to live well for that duration of time means that you can be that much more productive, do that much more, and see that much more.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: The idea that there's a retirement age at 65, that that needs to change.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: That's not the case anymore.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: The idea that at 65 you should or need to stop doing what you're doing, that's not the case.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Now that when you're 65, you start thinking about your next career.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: You should start going back to school.
25:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you keep evolving, and that's going to keep your mind and your spirit younger.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: So you might want to like retire and be vested and have all your benefits from whatever it is you did up to 65.
25:23
SPEAKER_00: But from there, like, what do you want to do?
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Sit on the couch for the next whatever and just waste away.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, keep your mind going and all those passion things, all your passion projects, like go pursue them now.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: So I commend you on that.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: But Dr.
25:36
SPEAKER_00: Corey Goldberg, you are a huge inspiration.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: You have a gorgeous facility.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: I love everything, and I believe in everything, actually, that we discussed today that is your true philosophy.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: So, whether patients are coming in and they're interested in medical tourism, if they're relocating to Toronto, or if they're local anywhere in Canada where they can get to you, how do they find you?
25:57
SPEAKER_00: What's your social handle?
25:59
SPEAKER_00: What's your website?
26:00
SPEAKER_00: And um, if you want, throw in your phone number too.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: For sure.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: The uh well, uh you can find me at uh Dr.
26:06
SPEAKER_01: Corey Goldberg MD uh on Instagram.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: Beautyspan.com is the website that has my information on that premise.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh you can find uh formfaceandbody.ca is uh is our campus website.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh and of course we would be uh pleased to see you here in Toronto, uh, even if it's just for a visit, come through and see some of the stuff that we have here.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh we're always happy to welcome clinicians, practitioners, researchers.
26:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we have a robust research program that's getting off the ground.
26:34
SPEAKER_01: So uh I mean really, really happy to share the philosophy and learn from our colleagues.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: So uh it's really been a pleasure chatting with you, Kim.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: I thank you so much for your time.
26:45
SPEAKER_00: No, thank you so much, and I really appreciate you joining us today.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: Again, I believe in everything you're saying.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Viewers, if you're confused about anything or if you're just like, oh my God, I've been waiting for this my whole life, please subscribe, drop some comments.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: We're looking forward to your questions and comments.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: And you could always reach out to Dr.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: Corey Goldberg direct.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: So thank you again so much.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: And I hope we can check in with you again soon.