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UnchainedTV: How Vegans Won at Oxford! · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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What an exciting show we have for you.
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The famed Oxford Union, a 201-year-old
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debating organisation connected with prestigious Oxford University in
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England, recently voted for veganism.
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That's right, people, they had a debate with
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four people opposing veganism, four people in favour
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of veganism, and we're going to talk to
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one of the winning team members, Dr. Silas
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Rao.
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Now, it looks very, very posh and very
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civilised, but this debate got down and dirty.
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It got really ugly, actually.
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A high point, Dr. Silas Rao, the gentleman
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you are going to hear from today, just
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take a look at his outfit, and that's
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not just style.
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There's a tremendous significance to what he was
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wearing when he tackled this extraordinary, extraordinary stage.
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Mind you, the likes of Albert Einstein have
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debated at the Oxford Union.
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Ronald Reagan, Queen Elizabeth II, we understand that
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Richard Nixon finally admitted he made a big
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boo-boo with Watergate at the Oxford Union.
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This is no just debate.
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This is the debate of all debates, and
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the vegans won.
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We are going to hear from Dr. Silas
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Rao in one second, but first, why don't
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we start by listening to Dr. Rao at
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the Oxford Union debate.
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We want to thank Plant Based News for
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providing this video to us so we can
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bring it to you on Unchained TV.
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It is undeniable that human civilisation has adversely
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impacted life support systems on the planet.
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Scientists have identified nine planetary boundaries that we
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must stay within for the sustainability of life
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on Earth.
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At the moment, we have transgressed six of
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them, and any one of these transgressions is
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enough to kill life as we know it
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on this planet.
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The good news is that when we go
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vegan, we help resolve all six of them.
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That's the power we have as individuals to
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reverse our existential crisis.
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Animal agriculture is the leading cause of ecological
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destruction because it uses 37% of the
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ice-free land area of the planet just
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to graze animals, while bottom trawling an area
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of the ocean floor the size of South
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America every year.
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Wow, I just want to say absolutely brilliant
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arguments, and I do also want to say
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that the other side engaged in what I
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would call really lame and even just low.
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For a classy institution, it was a very
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low-class argument on the other side.
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Dr. Rao, tell us all about this experience.
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No, it was actually amazing.
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The fact that they were going low, they
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were basically appealing to fear.
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They were appealing to, do you really want
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to change, that sort of emotion.
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On the one side, we were dealing with
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facts and science, and the anti-vegan side
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was dealing with emotions and culture.
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Of course, the students saw through it, so
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they voted for us.
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To me, it was an amazing experience.
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The history of it, we spent a couple
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hours before the debate just having dinner, getting
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photographs, and then going through the facility, looking
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at the pictures of Albert Einstein and Mother
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Teresa and all the people who were there
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before us.
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They have all these pictures there.
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It's, you can see the history.
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It's old buildings and very well done, actually.
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The library is beautiful.
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What was the significance of your outfit?
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The significance of my outfit was they wanted
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it all to be a black tie dinner.
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It's a black tie.
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Everyone has to come in black tie.
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I said, I would like to wear my
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traditional Indian dress.
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Is that okay?
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They said, okay, that's fine.
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I wanted to wear my traditional Indian dress
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to show that this is actually a worldwide
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movement, and we are now all of us
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coming together from around the world to say,
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let's fix this together.
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Our team, if you look at the team
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who spoke for the proposition, the vegan side,
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I was from India.
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Disha Hegde is originally from India, but she
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grew up in the UK.
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She was born in the UK.
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Joey Carbstrong is from Australia, I think.
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I'm not so sure, but he's from Australia
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or something.
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And Dr. Chidi Nwagwa is from Nigeria, originally.
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So we were all from all over the
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world, but the other side was mostly just
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the UK.
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The idea behind the dress was, I mean,
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I actually had promised my colleagues that I
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had gone to Indian Institute of Technology before
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that in Madras, and they'd given me the
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shawl as a present.
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And I promised them that I'd wear it
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during my debate.
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I want to go straight to what I
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would consider, and we've got callers lined up.
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So thank you for your patience, callers.
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We'll get to you in a second.
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But we've got to establish what the issue
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is we're talking about here.
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Again, we're talking about a debate at perhaps
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the most prestigious debate club in the world,
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the Oxford Union, 6,000 members.
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This is 201 years old, and it was
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originally established because there was a perceived suppression
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of debate and challenging authority at Oxford University.
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So they created this debate club to give
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themselves the power to speak.
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And so the idea that veganism, to go
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vegan or not go vegan, would be debated
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at this incredible forum is a victory in
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itself.
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But I was truly shocked by the arguments
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of the opposition and embarrassed for them.
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Let me play one particularly disturbing, if I
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have to say, argument or debate.
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There's a moment where Joey Carbstrong, who is
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for veganism, he's a big vegan influencer, speaks.
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And then Katie Hopkins comes on.
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And, well, you're just going to have to
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see it for yourself.
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It's more like a perpetual genocide, because in
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this case, the victims cannot fight back.
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They are truly gentle, fragile, and helpless beings,
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and humans capitalise in every twisted, conceivable way
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off of their helplessness.
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And their only crime is being born into
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the wrong species.
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It's for these reasons that I truly believe,
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and I hope you do too, that the
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house and the world should go vegan.
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Thank you.
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It's the Holocaust.
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You eat a cow.
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It's the Holocaust.
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You murderers.
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He has spent his life going around abattoirs,
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watching animals die.
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And that's what vegan people call a hobby.
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Do you remember with or from COVID?
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They died with or from?
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Linda McCartney.
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She died with or from being a vegan.
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Death is what happens to you when you're
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a vegan.
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And they lie.
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They lie.
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They lie straight to your faces because they
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have a certain dress style, or they have
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a certain doctorate, or they have about one
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follower on Instagram.
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They lie to you.
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Nothing that they tell you is true.
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They even lie to themselves.
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The Bible says lying is one of the
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seven deadly sins.
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The Bible says if you lie, it is
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because you hate yourself.
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And that is true of every single vegan
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I know.
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They hate themselves so much, they will only
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suck on quinoa for sustenance.
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And my question to people who say that
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being vegan isn't an end point.
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It's a journey, like they're on the bloody
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X Factor.
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You know where they want that journey to
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end up, don't you good people?
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They want you sat in the dark, sucking
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on the ass end of a locust.
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They may sell you the journey like it's
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an attractive thing, but the end point of
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your journey is not attractive.
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Point of information, who asked?
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Yes, sir.
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I am a slave to desire, darling.
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What do you have to offer?
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Or is that too meaty for you?
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I so support vegans.
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I love you.
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I want you to join together with your
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miserable little friends who are all short.
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And I want you.
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I want you to be happy together, sucking
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on your locusts.
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I want you to be happy.
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But allow me, sir, the same tolerance and
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respect by allowing me to sit nuzzling, eating
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a whole cow from head to tail as
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I do on a daily basis.
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I think she has done more to promote
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veganism than any person I have ever met.
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And of course, she lost.
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Vegans win the Oxford Union debate.
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And some of the comments, my gosh, is
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she's auditioning for the Globe?
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That's a funny one.
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Oh, my God.
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How can that crazy woman be allowed to
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even speak?
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How embarrassing.
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Is she insane?
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You know, is she doing King Lear?
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What was your reaction?
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Before we go to the callers, what was
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your reaction to this woman who is apparently
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a very well-known TV pundit in Britain?
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Right.
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No, my reaction was, my God, you don't
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have anything.
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You don't have anything real.
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You're basically appealing to fear and emotions, right?
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So after the debate, when she lost, she
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actually apologised to me.
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She said, sorry if I hurt you.
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And I realised, I mean, she was basically
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putting on an act.
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So and she was appealing to the basic
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instincts of people.
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I looked at the girl in the corner.
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The girl in the corner of Katie Hopkins'
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video, she represents us.
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So you can see her reactions to everything
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she's doing.
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So, I mean, when she was saying it,
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she was attacking all of us.
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So to me, it was, you know, this
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is the way it is.
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Fine.
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I cannot react.
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And I was just letting it go.
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But after she lost, she was down.
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I mean, she was crestfallen.
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You know, she was like, oh, my God.
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She had promised her audience that she's going
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to win.
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Oh, wow.
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Well, you're a better person than I am,
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because if I had seen her after the
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debate, I would have given her a piece
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of my mind.
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You know, this is not a joke.
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Animals being tortured to death and dying is
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not a joke.
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Wow.
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Shame on you.
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Let me say it.
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All right.
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We got callers.
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Paige in Los Angeles.
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Your question or thought for Dr. Rao.
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Yes, I have been a devoted disciple of
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Dr. Rao since 2018.
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And I mean that in the loveliest sense.
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And we're both working for our children and
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your grandchild.
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They're our bosses.
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With your pinky promise to your granddaughter and
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my promise to my daughter to do everything
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possible.
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Does this woman have children?
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Does she realise that there are future generations
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that we what we've done to the planet
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is what is causing the climate crisis and
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the dissolving of the planet?
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Does she realise that?
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This is my question.
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And Dr. Rao, how do you stay motivated
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and keep going?
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And what do you feel are your intended
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results from this debate?
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, for me, the debate was a turning
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point.
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The debate was like a mainstream affirmation of
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what we have been saying.
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So this is the students from Oxford.
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And they actually came to me after the
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debate.
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And they told me that the speeches from
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the proposition side gave them a lot of
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hope that there is a future on this
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planet for them.
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Because a lot of young people are feeling
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depressed that they don't really belong, that we
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are all going to die off.
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I mean, these are the stories we've been
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telling them.
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And I really think that we as adults
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have a responsibility to start telling positive stories
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to our children, that they shouldn't feel this.
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I really, when Glenn Mercer said that there
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are six macronutrients, and he added the sixth
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macronutrient as optimism.
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I think he's right.
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Without that positivity, we don't want to live.
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I mean, you have to have that positivity.
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So this is why optimism is the sixth
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macronutrient.
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And so we have to give that to
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our children.
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You know, no one told me horror stories
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when I was going to college.
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No one told me horror stories when I
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was in school, saying you're all going to
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die off.
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But that's what our kids are being subjected
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to right now.
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You know, the younger generation going through university
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or schools, because it's all climate, climate, climate,
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you know, and oh, my God, we're going
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to die.
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And they don't do anything about it.
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So they're all sitting around saying, you know,
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what can we do?
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What is anyone doing about this?
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And here we come along and say, actually,
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you can solve this problem.
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By just going vegan, you force them to
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solve this problem.
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And that, I think, was a very positive
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message that we gave them.
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And they took it.
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All right.
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Well, let me get to the next caller.
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We've got Nilo Farr from Dallas, Texas, on
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the phone.
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Your question for Dr. Silas Rao, founder of
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Climate Healers, and the winner, along with his
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incredible team, of the Oxford Union debate.
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Hi, Dr. Rao.
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How were you and your team able to
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convince the Oxford Union to support the motion
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this house would go vegan?
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Was it ethics, health, or sustainability?
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And, you know, we saw the short clip
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where one of your team members gave a
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very powerful ethical argument.
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And, you know, obviously, you're the leader in
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the sustainability global health project.
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What do you think made you win the
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house for vegan?
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I really think it was all of them.
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You know, because there were three.
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I made the environmental case.
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And then Dr. Chidi made the health case.
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And Joey Carbstrong made the ethical case.
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And I think all three of us, we
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put our case forward.
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You know, it was basically facts and telling
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them this is what is really going on.
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And they could sense that the other side
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was just saying it's inconvenient for us.
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It's going to have major changes in your
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life if you do this.
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And we're going to take away your cream
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for your coffee if you vote for this.
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It was all that kind of tactic, right?
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And the students and the Oxford Union basically
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said, that's OK.
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We want to make this change happen.
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Well, guess what?
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You can still have cream in your coffee.
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You can have soy milk.
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You can have rice milk.
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You can have almond milk.
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You can have hemp milk.
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You can have, you know, oat milk.
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I mean, there's a gazillion.
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I had coffee this morning.
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I'm not there with you, Dr. Rao, who
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drinks only water yet.
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I had coffee this morning with soy milk.
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And look, here I am.
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No sacrifice.
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I want to play some of those arguments
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in a second.
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Let's get to our third caller, and then
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we'll play some arguments.
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Annie in Sherman Oaks, your question or thought
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for Dr. Rao?
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Hi, yes.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Thank you so much for having me, Dane.
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And Dr. Rao, love and adore you.
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Everybody should join climatehealers.org.
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Incredible, incredible life, world changer.
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Dr. Rao, how did you manage not to
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laugh or address?
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I would have told her, yes, drama you're
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doing to this.
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You know, she acted like a loony, but
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also a big drama queen.
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The sins and everything, the suckling and all
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that.
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It really applies to us humans suckling a
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cow's milk.
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How did you contain yourself?
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What about the sins she's talking about?
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The rapes, the murders, the tortures of the
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animals.
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These are, oh, if you're so religious woman,
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why don't you address those?
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You guys did an amazing job.
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You, you know, Dr. Chitty and Joey Carstrong.
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Love you all, and thank you for what
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you've done.
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All right, Dr. Rao, and then we're going
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to play another clip.
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Yeah, I saw that whatever they were saying
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is really about themselves.
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It's not about us.
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It was an argument they're having about themselves.
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Like when she says they lie, actually, she
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was lying.
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And she said that.
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And she said that lying is one of
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the seven deadly sins.
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Actually, it is not.
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That's a lie.
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You're right.
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You are right.
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Lying is not one of the seven deadly
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sins.
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What is it?
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Gluttony, lust.
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I mean, there's a bunch of them, but
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it doesn't include lying.
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She was wrong about that.
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Yeah, it's pride, envy, gluttony, sloth, lust, anger,
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and greed.
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So those are the seven deadly sins.
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And she said she eats a cow from
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head to tail every day.
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Come on, that's a lie.
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You can't do that.
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There's so many things that she was doing
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that was obviously...
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She was talking about herself, but trying to
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project it on others.
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Well, yeah, and that's exactly what people who
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are pathological liars, and I'm not saying she
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is, but pathological liars do that.
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Whatever they're doing, they push it on somebody
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else, and they accuse somebody else of doing
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it.
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And it's smoke and mirrors.
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It's to take away the attention from their
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own lives.
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Psychologists will tell you that.
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All right, let's hear some of the positive
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pro-vegan comments.
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I want to start with, well, they were
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all strong in different ways, but Joey Armstrong,
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which he's a very, very well-known social
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media influencer who speaks passionately and eloquently about
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veganism.
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Here's what he had to say.
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Millions of animals massacred, and for what?
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A burger, a ham sandwich, a chicken wing?
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I bet you probably couldn't remember what you
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ate for lunch last week.
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That's how little it meant to you.
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But for the animals, it was all they
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had.
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Now, these numbers are unfathomable.
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We're talking between one and three trillion land
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and marine animals every year.
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But even if you were to believe that
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a human life is worth a thousand animal
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lives, a million animal lives, when we crunch
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the numbers, we surely should have reached the
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threshold to which you would consider our treatment
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of animals up there with the worst of
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moral crimes.
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If you don't, I'm sure the animals would
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see it that way.
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You see, it's easy to look at an
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issue from our perspective and say it just
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doesn't matter.
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But as famous animal rights lecturer Gary Yourofsky
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once said, when you're the victim, things look
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a lot differently from that angle.
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If an atrocity like this were taking place
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to humans on such a scale, it would
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be the new holocaust on steroids.
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But the animal holocaust isn't new.
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The systematic domination, enslavement and mass killing of
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animals has taken place at least since the
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dawn of agriculture.
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And we've become more efficient at confining and
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terrorising animals with the rise of factory farming
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in the 1920s.
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Animals were the first to be enslaved, the
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first to be systematically slaughtered and the only
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victims to ever be served in a modern
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university cafeteria with no one batting an eye.
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For as long as non-human animals have
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been oppressed, they still are to this day,
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persecuted, treated like nothing, their charred bodies chewed
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up, digested and flushed down the toilet.
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The utter disregard and contempt for these sentient
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beings is unmatched.
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But why are their lives disregarded?
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Well, just like racism or any other form
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of discrimination, it all starts in the mind
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first.
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Speciesism, you might have heard this term before.
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Similar to racism, it's essentially discrimination based on
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species alone.
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Dr. Rao, there's 6,000 students who are
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members of the Oxford Union.
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These are the creme de la creme, the
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vegan creme de la creme maybe now.
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What was their reaction to the arguments?
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Because that is one good speech that Joey
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Carbstrong gave.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, people were spellbound actually with our
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speeches, you know, and Joey Carbstrong really held
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them.
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He was telling them relentlessly what is going
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on to the animals and why we should
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consider that as an atrocity, probably the greatest
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atrocity ever.
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But when we overcome this atrocity, we look
22:39
back on this and say, that was the
22:41
moment when we saw through it.
22:45
We saw through what was going on and
22:47
we stepped through this.
22:52
Hole for the side of justice.
22:56
OK, well, I think this is this is
22:58
a dramatic debate.
23:00
It was a dramatic debate.
23:02
I felt like, you know, it's worth it.
23:06
All the preparation we did for a month
23:08
and a half, I was working on the
23:09
speech.
23:11
And Kimaya came there and my wife came
23:14
there and Kimaya's parents came there.
23:18
Because I realised that this was a very
23:21
pivotal moment in our road to 2026, Vegan
23:25
World 2026.
23:27
And by the way, if you want to
23:29
know more about Vegan World 2026, you can
23:31
watch on Unchained TV, the world's only vegan
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download right on your phone.
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There it is.
23:41
You can also get it on your Samsung
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TV, which is behind me.
23:44
You can also get it if you have
23:46
an Amazon Fire Stick, an Apple device or
23:48
Roku device, or you can just go to
23:49
UnchainedTV.com and go right into the portal.
23:53
But we have Countdown to Year Zero, a
23:55
documentary that I did about Dr. Silas Rao
23:58
that explains why we have to switch to
24:00
a vegan culture globally by 2026, or we
24:03
are going to literally pass the point of
24:06
no return in terms of the climate apocalypse
24:09
that is fast approaching.
24:11
So really, the clock is ticking.
24:15
All right, one more caller.
24:17
We've got Michael in Los Angeles.
24:19
Your question or thought for Dr. Silas Rao.
24:23
Yes, hi.
24:23
This is such a great way to get
24:25
the vegan message across to the younger generation.
24:28
And my question was, are there any plans
24:30
to take your team on the road to
24:32
maybe other colleges or universities?
24:35
Thank you.
24:36
Oh, we would love to do that.
24:39
We would love to do that.
24:41
We're in discussions with the students at UCLA.
24:46
We're asking, you know, at least there should
24:48
be at least one major U.S. university
24:51
where a similar debate needs to happen, in
24:53
my opinion.
24:54
And likewise, you know, in every country, there
24:58
should be at least one premier institution in
25:00
that country that examines this seriously so that
25:04
the people in that country can say, OK,
25:06
now we have to move.
25:08
I can tell you that the vegan movement
25:10
in the U.K. is humming.
25:13
I mean, it's buzzing.
25:15
It's really going very, very fast.
25:19
So when I go to the U.K.,
25:21
I feel like a vegan world by 2026
25:24
is possible.
25:25
It is absolutely going to happen.
25:28
Well, I want to say, just talking about
25:30
universities, we just posted on Unchained TV a
25:34
video about the UCLA VegFest, UCLA held its
25:38
very first VegFest just the other day.
25:40
We had a booth there, Unchained TV did,
25:43
and we also did a whole story.
25:45
And they want to take the VegFest to
25:47
every university and even high schools around the
25:49
United States.
25:50
So you should get together.
25:52
I'm going to connect you with some of
25:53
those student organisations like Lives Without Knives and
25:57
Animal Welfare Alliance of UCLA, because you're right,
26:00
UCLA would be a perfect place to have
26:03
the next debate.
26:04
I don't know if everybody's going to show
26:06
up in black tie.
26:07
And hopefully Katie Hopkins will not be part
26:10
of the entourage.
26:13
But I mean, that would be absolute.
26:15
Would you be interested in doing that, Dr.
26:17
Rao?
26:17
Absolutely.
26:18
We would love to have a debate where
26:20
I want to hear the argument, serious arguments
26:22
from the other side.
26:23
Are there any serious arguments?
26:25
Yes or no?
26:26
If you don't have any serious arguments, then
26:28
what are we debating?
26:30
You know, we should all be doing it,
26:31
right?
26:32
We should all be going vegan.
26:33
So we need to establish that, yeah.
26:36
I'm going to connect you as soon as
26:37
we get off this Zoom with some of
26:39
those organisations.
26:41
They pulled off an amazing, amazing VegFest at
26:46
UCLA.
26:46
And their motto is, take it everywhere.
26:49
So this could be part of that.
26:51
All right, we've got another caller.
26:53
Wow, we got two more.
26:54
Liz in San Diego.
26:57
Hey there, Jane.
26:58
Hi, Dr. Rao.
26:59
I just want to acknowledge Dr. Rao's incredible
27:04
ability at manifestation.
27:07
I've been Zooming into the Million Vegan Grandmothers
27:09
meeting since last summer.
27:12
And I remember conversations about this debate concept,
27:16
kicking around ideas, where to do it, how
27:18
to do it.
27:18
And look at the home run that was
27:21
scored.
27:23
Debating in the ultimate debate house of all
27:26
time, winning the debate.
27:28
I knew he was going to do it.
27:30
Congratulations.
27:32
I just want to acknowledge Dr. Rao's incredible
27:36
manifestation ability from taking an idea and a
27:40
concept to reality and then hitting a home
27:42
run.
27:43
So love you guys.
27:44
Looking forward to connecting again soon.
27:46
Thank you for what you do.
27:48
Wow.
27:49
Love you, Liz.
27:50
Love you, Liz.
27:51
I actually want to say that she, Liz,
27:53
was the one who said, go debate at
27:55
universities.
27:57
Whoa.
27:58
Yeah.
28:00
We were trying to get Al Gore to
28:01
debate us, or Bill McKibben to debate us.
28:04
And they were all saying they didn't want
28:06
to do it.
28:08
And then Liz was the one who said,
28:10
go debate at universities.
28:11
And then we got the Oxford University opportunity.
28:14
Wow.
28:15
We've got Sam in Pasadena.
28:16
Your question or thought for Dr. Silas Rao.
28:19
Sam.
28:20
Hello.
28:21
Hi.
28:21
Hi, Jane.
28:22
Hi, Dr. Rao.
28:23
Thank you so much for delivering such a
28:26
powerful and awesome speech at the Oxford University.
28:29
Thank you for this awesome win.
28:32
I have a question for you.
28:33
Do you have any advice for people looking
28:36
to improve their debate skills, especially when talking
28:42
about veganism?
28:43
Thank you.
28:46
Oh, speaking from the heart, telling your story.
28:51
And these are the things that make you
28:54
authentic as a debater.
28:56
And when you're authentic, it shows.
28:58
And people feel it.
29:00
They know it.
29:01
They know that you're speaking from the heart.
29:04
And so really, it's about connection with the
29:07
people, the audience.
29:09
And then they'll come along.
29:12
So that's what I would say.
29:14
Tell your story.
29:16
Speak from the heart.
29:17
And in my case, I had to stay
29:19
within a 10-minute limit.
29:20
So I wrote it all down.
29:22
And I didn't want to miss anything.
29:23
So I was reading a speech.
29:25
Normally, I speak extempore.
29:26
I don't write things down.
29:30
But then I may miss something.
29:31
So I wanted to make sure that this
29:33
time I got everything done.
29:35
You did a great job.
29:36
And again, I know it might sound superficial,
29:39
but I just loved your outfit.
29:41
I mean, I really do think because we
29:44
can talk about this on the other side.
29:46
We have to take a brief break.
29:48
But we're going to stay live right here.
29:50
So don't go anywhere.
29:51
But this is all part of the meat
29:53
and dairy industry is also commerce colonialism.
29:56
There's a whole argument to be made.
29:58
So by you wearing your traditional Indian garb,
30:00
you're making a statement there, too.
30:02
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All right.
32:51
You're just looking at a screen wrap.
32:52
Thanks to Plant Based News for providing the
32:54
videos of the Oxford Union debate for us.
32:57
And people are really jazzed.
33:01
It makes me so happy.
33:02
Thank you for giving us hope.
33:04
I hope you're talking about the Unchained TV
33:06
app and the Oxford Union debate.
33:08
Somebody says, Silas looks like a vegan priest.
33:11
Al Gore has interest in cattle ranching.
33:14
Al Gore didn't want to debate.
33:17
Laugh my ass off.
33:19
Huge success.
33:20
People are just super, super jazzed that you
33:24
won this debate.
33:25
And I believe you should definitely take it
33:28
to every university.
33:31
Let's start out with a caller.
33:32
Jose in Texas.
33:34
Your question or thought for Dr. Rao.
33:38
First off, I just want to say thank
33:40
you for letting me speak.
33:42
And also, congratulations on this momentous victory.
33:46
It was incredible to see all you guys
33:48
talk.
33:48
And I'm a big fan of Joey, a
33:50
big fan of all your work.
33:52
I just want to say, I'd ask, what
33:54
do you feel like you want to see
33:56
more of to really accelerate the vegan movement
33:58
into the future, you know?
34:00
Good question, Dr. Rao.
34:03
Yeah, I want more discussion in the media
34:06
about how urgent the situation is.
34:09
Because they're only scaring people with climate change
34:11
and saying, you all have to go buy
34:13
electric cars to solve the problem.
34:15
That doesn't solve the problem.
34:17
I mean, we're not being serious here.
34:18
So I say we have to look at
34:21
all of our environmental issues giving us the
34:25
timeline.
34:27
If you're doing it for health, you could
34:29
say, look, I'm feeling fine now.
34:31
So I don't have to do it right
34:32
away.
34:33
You could say ethics.
34:35
You could say, well, we have been hurting
34:36
animals for 10,000 years.
34:37
So what's the problem with waiting another three,
34:39
10 years to hurt?
34:41
You can continue doing it.
34:43
But the environment is telling us, you better
34:45
do it by this time.
34:47
You better do it by this time.
34:49
Otherwise, you're going to hit a point of
34:50
no return.
34:51
And that's giving us the timeline.
34:53
This is why Vegan World 2026 is so
34:56
important.
34:56
I want that story to be told by
34:58
the media.
34:59
I want that story to be told by
35:01
everyone so that it becomes common knowledge.
35:04
It's as if there is a fire in
35:05
our home.
35:06
And I use that analogy now.
35:08
There are six fires on our planetary home.
35:11
And people are walking around.
35:13
They're saying, where is my coffee?
35:14
And I say, what are you talking about?
35:15
You've got a fire in your home.
35:17
Forget about looking for coffee.
35:18
Just get the kids out of there.
35:20
That's what you would do when you have
35:21
a fire in your home.
35:23
You would say, what is most important to
35:25
us?
35:25
Life is most important to us.
35:27
Our children are most important to us.
35:28
Children of all species are more important to
35:30
us than getting the next award from somewhere.
35:36
No, I don't care about any of that
35:37
anymore.
35:38
I want to get life to survive, to
35:41
thrive on this planet.
35:43
And that's the kind of urgency that we
35:46
need to have.
35:47
We are going to hit points of no
35:48
return by 2026 from multiple angles, whether it
35:52
is from a biodiversity perspective or from a
35:55
climate perspective.
35:56
These are all the different fires that are
35:58
going on on the planet.
36:01
Yeah, let me say this.
36:02
One of the things that also struck me,
36:04
as you said, there were very few, really
36:07
no serious arguments.
36:09
Here's another one that just boggled my mind,
36:13
that the opposition was that it was inconvenient
36:17
for her.
36:18
It is near impossible to reach a point
36:21
of total morality.
36:23
So people are just going to pick the
36:24
side that is most convenient for them anyway.
36:26
I think it's quite clear that if I
36:28
came home this vacation and announced that I
36:29
would no longer not just be eating meat,
36:32
but no cow's milk, no honey, no eggs,
36:34
no cheese, and so on, not only would
36:36
I have to endure a lot of teasing
36:38
and a traitor stamp on my forehead, but
36:40
I'd also have to shop and cook for
36:41
myself and opt out of a system where
36:43
I don't spend the dregs of my student
36:45
loan on a quinoa.
36:47
You may think that these are sort of
36:49
funny and insignificant little arguments, but they speak
36:51
to a wider truth that switching to veganism
36:53
just isn't realistic or desirable for most people.
36:57
I mean, a five-year-old could answer
37:00
that.
37:01
It's perfectly convenient.
37:04
I don't know what you had, but today
37:06
I had tacos with some vegan chicken from
37:10
Gardein with hot sauce, with a salad that
37:14
had lettuce and a little onion and some
37:18
chickpeas.
37:19
And boy, did I have a lot for
37:21
lunch.
37:22
And then some fried potatoes that I fried
37:26
up in the air fryer.
37:27
Now, it sounds like a lot, but it
37:28
was a very nice dish.
37:29
It was basically a wrap with a side
37:33
of salad.
37:34
Now, oh, that's such a terrible inconvenience.
37:38
No, it's not.
37:40
And the idea that she is at the
37:43
most prestigious debate forum in the world, saying
37:47
that she's opposed to something that could save
37:49
our planet because she would have to cook
37:51
her own food.
37:53
I mean, I'm actually embarrassed for them.
37:56
And I'm not even saying that in a
37:57
snarky way.
37:59
Well, if you notice all the opposition arguments
38:03
are all about me, me, me.
38:07
And we were talking about, you know, what
38:09
is our role, our responsibility to them, to
38:12
others?
38:14
How do we contribute more to the planet?
38:17
So we were looking at others and they
38:19
were looking at me, me, me.
38:20
And that was a major divide in the
38:23
debate.
38:25
And I think that's what's going to happen
38:26
in the other debates, too.
38:28
If you go and debate others.
38:30
Because the arguments against veganism are all about
38:32
me.
38:33
I may be inconvenienced.
38:36
It doesn't taste good for me.
38:38
It's all about me.
38:40
And yeah, but I think this is interesting
38:44
to point out, right?
38:46
Yes, but it is about us.
38:48
It is in our self-interest.
38:50
She's sort of arguing that it's something that
38:52
people are doing for a higher moral purpose,
38:54
but it's not in our self-interest.
38:55
But as the doctor who spoke in favour
38:58
of the vegan argument explains, it is in
39:02
our interest to adopt a plant-based diet
39:05
for our own health.
39:06
Then they discovered, when they put all the
39:08
evidence together, they said that the more meat
39:12
and dairy products you have in your diet,
39:15
the greater your risk of cancer.
39:19
Now, the people doing the surveys were not
39:21
vegetarians or vegans.
39:23
I used to be an orthopaedic surgeon.
39:25
I used to replace people's hips.
39:28
And my professors would say to all of
39:31
those old ladies, look, go and eat as
39:33
much cheese, drink as much milk, your bones
39:36
will get stronger.
39:37
That is absolutely the opposite of the truth.
39:41
The more of these big proteins you have
39:44
in your diet swilling around in your bloodstream,
39:47
the more acidic your blood becomes.
39:50
If your blood is acidic, you need calcium
39:53
to neutralise it.
39:54
Where do you get the calcium from?
39:56
It comes from the bones.
39:57
In this country, we have weaker bones than
40:00
the people in certain countries where their diets
40:02
are pretty much animal product free.
40:05
I thought he did a great job explaining
40:08
the health benefits because people who ignore this
40:14
information do so at their own peril.
40:18
Yeah, the beauty of the system that's nature
40:22
is that when you start thinking about the
40:27
animals and you say, I'm going to do
40:29
things for others, you actually help yourself too.
40:34
The beauty of it is the highest form
40:40
of self-interest is actually doing things for
40:44
others.
40:46
When you do things for others, you get
40:48
better.
40:49
This is the beauty of nature.
40:52
I think that's what he was pointing out.
40:54
It's actually good for us, even though we
40:57
think it's inconvenient to begin with.
41:01
We've got another caller, Tiffany in Los Angeles.
41:04
Your question or thought for Dr. Rao, the
41:06
winner of the Oxford Union debate.
41:10
Would this house go vegan?
41:11
Yes, it would.
41:12
And it did.
41:13
Go ahead.
41:14
Oh, I love this.
41:15
Dr. Rao, can you tell us a little
41:18
bit more about your organisation and how we
41:20
can support you?
41:22
Sure.
41:23
So the organisation that we have, I started
41:28
this in 2007.
41:30
It's called Climate Healers.
41:32
And you can go to climatehealers.org.
41:35
And you will see, and we have a
41:36
For You tab.
41:37
If you click on the For You tab,
41:39
you'll see all the things you could do.
41:40
There's a calendar there, which shows you all
41:43
the meetings that we have.
41:45
So we get together.
41:47
There's a large core team at Climate Healers.
41:50
And we get together and we organise convergences
41:53
every quarter.
41:54
We are basically, our primary motivation is to
41:59
get to a vegan world as quickly as
42:02
possible.
42:03
Definitely before the end of 2026.
42:06
My granddaughter's 16th birthday, which is November 19th,
42:09
2026.
42:10
And she has told me she wants a
42:11
vegan world by then.
42:13
And whatever she says has always happened.
42:16
My job is to make it happen for
42:18
her.
42:19
I'm very excited.
42:20
And you just had a convergence.
42:22
I was very honoured and delighted to speak
42:24
at the convergence, along with some other notables
42:27
like Dotsie Bausch, the vegan Olympian who did
42:31
an incredible, incredible job.
42:34
You know, we're only got a few minutes.
42:37
I want to go back to, actually, we
42:42
have another pro.
42:43
This was a woman who is, I believe,
42:46
connected to the Oxford Debate Club, maybe in
42:50
a leadership position, or was at the moment
42:53
that she spoke.
42:54
And she is, in favour of veganism, I
42:57
believe she is an unabashed vegan.
43:00
There's no animal that drinks milk past infancy.
43:03
Babies drink milk from their mothers until they're
43:06
toddlers.
43:07
And for some reason, after that, society tells
43:09
us that we need to move to cow's
43:11
milk, which is meant for a baby cow.
43:15
Now, when does a cow start producing milk?
43:19
After it's pregnant.
43:20
I say that because for some reason, people
43:22
seem to think that cows just magically keep
43:24
producing milk.
43:25
They don't.
43:27
Now, of course, farms aren't leaving a cow
43:29
and a bull in a room together with
43:31
some candles and music.
43:33
No, they are artificially inseminating cows so that
43:37
we can produce the billions of litres of
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milk that the industry needs.
43:42
Now, after the cow gives birth, what happens
43:45
next?
43:46
If they're male, they are separated, taken, usually
43:50
killed straight away because they don't have much
43:53
of a use for the industry.
43:55
And if they're female, the calf will grow
43:57
up to suffer the same fate as its
44:00
mother.
44:01
Now, of course, there are obvious ethical issues
44:04
here.
44:04
And I'm aware that not everyone is convinced
44:07
by the case that on a moral level,
44:10
this is simply wrong.
44:12
For some reason, we consider animals to be
44:14
less intelligent and therefore less deserving of our
44:17
empathy, which doesn't really make sense.
44:19
I mean, there are lots of unintelligent humans,
44:22
but you wouldn't want to go around, you
44:23
know, eating Piers Morgan or eating Katie Hopkins,
44:26
for example.
44:34
But on a fundamental level, animals want to
44:37
live.
44:37
They feel pain, they feel suffering.
44:39
And just because we can do something doesn't
44:42
mean that it's the right thing to do.
44:44
But if that hasn't convinced you, this is
44:46
also really bad for you.
44:49
It means that the cow's milk that we
44:50
buy is what's known as stress milk.
44:52
I want to end by saying that in
44:56
the absence of necessity, there is also the
44:59
absence of justification.
45:02
In our world today, we do not need
45:04
to eat meat or dairy.
45:06
And all it does is bring more suffering,
45:08
not only to ourselves, but also to the
45:11
environment and also to the poor animals who
45:14
are going through this.
45:16
Oh, I just loved her.
45:18
Her speech was great.
45:20
And she had that funny line about just
45:22
because you can eat, doesn't mean you would
45:24
want to eat Piers Morgan or Katie Hopkins.
45:28
Katie Hopkins was the one with the vile,
45:30
nasty, dark, almost demonic presentation.
45:36
Now, tell us about the vote.
45:39
What was the vote?
45:40
I have it written down somewhere, but it
45:42
was pretty overwhelming.
45:43
And also who that lady was.
45:46
Oh, yeah.
45:47
So we owe her a lot for this
45:50
debate to happen.
45:51
We owe her and Charles Frazier was the
45:55
one who connected us with Oxford Union.
45:58
And so she's Disha Hegde.
46:01
And she was the president of the Oxford
46:03
Union during that term.
46:07
Michelmas term.
46:08
So they changed their presidents every term.
46:11
They changed their office holders every time.
46:13
So there's an election every time.
46:15
So she was the president and she was
46:17
a vegan.
46:18
She had been vegan for four years.
46:20
And she's the one who said, we were
46:22
debating whether, we were asking whether it should
46:24
be called this house would go plant-based
46:27
or this house would go vegan.
46:29
And she said, we have to do vegan.
46:31
Okay.
46:31
So she insisted it should be vegan.
46:34
And the incoming president, who is now the
46:37
president in this quarter, I think it's called
46:39
the Hillary term, is Hannah Edwards.
46:43
And she was on the other side.
46:45
She was arguing against the proposition.
46:47
We've got a little bit of her.
46:50
So what I would like to do is
46:51
play a little bit of her, you know,
46:53
by the way, this went on a long
46:54
time.
46:54
So we picked clips.
46:57
But here's the one who's the new president.
47:00
And she was arguing against veganism.
47:03
It may include clips of some other people,
47:06
but she's the blonde and she is most
47:08
of this clip.
47:09
You eat a cow.
47:11
It's the Holocaust.
47:13
You murderers.
47:14
When you're the victim, things look a lot
47:17
differently from that angle.
47:20
With this house against all our instincts and
47:23
better judgement go vegan.
47:26
When I Googled what do people think about
47:28
vegans in preparation for this debate, the results
47:31
that came up were, why do people hate
47:33
vegans?
47:34
The war on vegans, the science of why
47:37
people hate vegans and vegophobia, which I had
47:41
never heard of.
47:42
We've even seen high profile cases where vegans
47:45
have been discriminated against.
47:47
William Sittwell was ex editor of Waitrose magazine
47:49
and he had to resign after an email
47:52
was leaked where he joked about killing vegans
47:54
one by one.
47:55
NatWest Bank faced a scandal when a customer
47:58
calling to apply for a loan was told
48:00
by an employee that all vegans should be
48:02
punched in the face.
48:05
Wow, again, another ridiculous, absurd and not to
48:09
the point argument.
48:11
And that's not what you get when you
48:12
look up vegans.
48:13
She selectively chose things that she thought might
48:17
be funny.
48:18
They seem to be resorting to sort of
48:20
callous sophomoric humour, Dr. Rao.
48:26
It was actually appealing.
48:27
They were trying to appeal to the students
48:29
saying, don't go there, then you'll be looked
48:31
down upon by society and blah, blah, blah.
48:35
I think that was the motivation for what
48:37
she was trying to do.
48:39
But obviously, no, she lost.
48:42
And they lost 112 to 84.
48:45
That was the score.
48:46
Though I heard from people that the line
48:49
for, because the way they do the tabulation
48:51
of the words, they divide the door in
48:54
two.
48:54
So they put a pole in the door.
48:56
And if you go to the left of
48:58
the pole, you're voting no.
48:59
If you go to the right of the
49:00
pole, you're voting yes.
49:03
And people told me that the line for
49:05
the yes was so long that people at
49:08
the back said, hey, they're gonna win anyway.
49:09
And they walked out the no door.
49:13
So despite that, it was 112 to 84.
49:16
Wow, so what we've gotten out of this
49:19
conversation, we only have a few minutes, is
49:22
that essentially we're gonna try to take this
49:25
on the road, which I think would be
49:27
absolutely fantastic.
49:30
And I'm going to hook you up with
49:32
the fabulous vegan student organisations at UCLA.
49:36
They're very organised.
49:38
And they're all about spreading the word.
49:41
And so I think this is a great
49:44
way to reach the up and coming generation.
49:47
First of all, I also think they're a
49:50
little out of touch because I think for
49:53
younger people, it's very cool and in to
49:56
be vegan.
49:57
It's not out.
49:59
Frankly, they sound like their grandparents.
50:02
These are young people who seem trapped in
50:05
an Agatha Christie movie.
50:08
I don't get it because if you look
50:11
at the cool factor, the cool factor is
50:14
vegan.
50:15
And so I don't know.
50:17
I honestly think it was just that they
50:19
didn't have any good arguments.
50:21
I mean, if you don't have any good
50:23
arguments, you just go with what you can
50:25
go with.
50:26
There are no good arguments against veganism.
50:28
Absolutely.
50:29
I really think that was what happened.
50:31
They didn't have any good arguments.
50:33
And they also felt, they also feel like
50:36
they can openly attack vegans and not be
50:40
dragged out of the room for doing that.
50:43
I mean, if Katie Hopkins had said, all
50:45
black people are short, she would have been
50:47
pulled out of there.
50:49
No one would have tolerated that.
50:51
But she was saying all vegans are short.
50:52
All vegans have small members and things like
50:55
that.
50:55
She was going on and on about physical
50:58
characteristics.
51:00
And she was trying to scare people.
51:03
If you do this, your hair is going
51:05
to fall off and this sort of thing.
51:07
This is the kind of thing that people
51:08
try to do to scare people from adopting
51:11
something that makes sense to them.
51:14
And so, yeah, it's highly unscientific from that
51:18
perspective.
51:20
Let me ask you about another issue.
51:22
We only have a couple of minutes.
51:23
I'd like to ask you personally, were you
51:26
nervous when you had to get up there
51:28
knowing everything that was riding on it?
51:31
How did you handle that?
51:32
For people who have to, if we're going
51:35
to do this at every university, it might
51:37
not always be you and Joey Carbstrong, who
51:40
is a trained speaker.
51:42
Were you nervous?
51:43
And how did you handle that if so?
51:45
No, I wasn't nervous.
51:47
I mean, see, I'm fortunate because when I
51:49
was going to school, my dad asked me
51:53
to join the debate club.
51:54
He asked me to join.
51:56
So I was doing all these.
51:57
I used to go to schools and do
51:58
these debates.
52:00
And as a result, I lost my fear
52:03
of public speaking.
52:05
So for me, I'm telling you my story.
52:08
And if you don't like it, fine.
52:10
If you like it, fine.
52:11
So I always had that attitude.
52:15
And I'm thankful to my dad for making
52:19
me do that when I was a kid,
52:20
because then I was scared.
52:23
As a child, I was scared to do
52:24
it.
52:25
But after you do the 15th debate, the
52:27
20th debate, you get used to it.
52:30
Yes.
52:30
And to answer this question, nobody's saying there's
52:33
anything wrong with being short.
52:34
The woman who said that was doing it
52:36
offensively as if there was something wrong with
52:40
being short.
52:42
Yeah.
52:42
You know, I'm just so impressed by all
52:44
of this.
52:44
And it does give me hope.
52:46
People, one of the reasons we started Unchained
52:49
TV is that the mainstream media does not
52:52
tell this.
52:52
And I went and looked for, well, what
52:54
stories do we have on this?
52:56
And I found Plant-Based News and some
52:58
other publication that is basically one of the
53:02
speakers wrote a little...
53:04
It should have been in the New York
53:05
Times, the Washington Post, the Daily Mail, the
53:11
Daily Mirror, the Sun Magazine.
53:13
By the way, Unchained TV is in all
53:15
of those publications with the exception of the
53:17
New York Times.
53:19
This week, due to our show, At Home
53:22
with the Jenners, we hope you download our
53:24
app and check out that very fun show,
53:26
At Home with the Jenners, starring Brandon Jenner
53:28
and his wife, Kaylee Jenner.
53:30
And they are plant-based and they are
53:32
inviting people into their Malibu home to cook
53:35
vegan.
53:36
And it's a delightful show.
53:38
So we've gotten massive publicity, but it was
53:41
the celebrity factor that brought that publicity in.
53:44
And vegans are trying to break through the
53:49
mainstream media blackout on animal rights and veganism.
53:52
And that's why we started Unchained TV, the
53:54
vegan streaming network.
53:56
So that win at the Oxford Union is
54:00
just one more example of how they won
54:04
this spectacular win and there's no mainstream media
54:07
reporting on it.
54:08
And that's truly offensive.
54:10
It's an abrogation of journalistic responsibility.
54:13
And we're here to fill in the gap.
54:16
So thank you for watching, Dr. Rao.
54:19
I just wanna say, you're my hero.
54:21
I remember I first heard you speaking in
54:24
Texas at a cattle ranch turned vegan animal
54:26
sanctuary, the Rowdy Girls Sanctuary.
54:28
And you said, we are gonna go vegan
54:31
and we're gonna do it by 2026.
54:33
And I was transformed.
54:36
I was like, finally, somebody saying that we're
54:38
gonna do this and giving us a deadline.
54:41
And that's when I really jumped in to
54:44
your movement.
54:45
And we did a documentary called Countdown to
54:48
Year Zero.
54:49
It's on Amazon Prime, but it's also on
54:52
Unchained TV.
54:53
I urge you to watch it because if
54:55
we are going to achieve a vegan world
54:58
by 2026, all of you have to get
55:01
busy, okay?
55:02
It's great to be vegan, but be vegan
55:04
plus be an activist.
55:06
That's what we urge you to do.
55:08
Thank you so much, Dr. Silas Rao.
55:11
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