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Barak Swarttz - YouTuber & Activist | The Truth About Israel They Don't Want You to Know · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  I have tried to think about reverse engineering, that idea of bringing people to Israel and bringing
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  Israel to people. If you want to talk about the complexities of the Middle East, you have to
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  create a safe space in order to do so. And when you just say come to Israel, you're inviting
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  somebody that already doesn't believe you, they don't feel safe with you, and you haven't even
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  created a safe space to have these tough conversations. He used a dream of pro basketball. Then he broke
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  his back and his ACL. Most people would stop. He didn't. Barack Swartz created the court for the
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  camera from training NBA athletes in Israel to building a YouTube channel that bridges sport
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  and storytelling. He turned adversity into action. I try to stay away from the word influencer
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  because there's been an abuse taken towards the word just because people label influencers
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  fake. So I try to think of myself as key person of influence trying to use storytelling to
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  positively impact conversations around the world that I true and dear to me. At first, I found
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  being a basketball player as a liability. Coming into the space of the Middle East throughout my
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  process of trying to my message in who I am, I found it to be probably the best asset because
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  basketball and culture and sports in who I am helps humanize the conversation a little bit.
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  His message, resilience is an optional. It's the platform you build when the world says no. This
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  is Barack Swartz. The news and mainstream media and television, all of them. The way that they
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  make most of their money is by delivering content that will inevitably make you have to see more.
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  Israel is literally the epicenter of religious energy of the world. If you understand how to
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  increase your frequency as a human being, it shifts the vibrations that we have.
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  Barack, I'm excited that we're finally doing this. It's been a long time coming, which I didn't
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  realize almost like five, six months since we first spoke. Just explain what do you do for a living?
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  What do you consider the work that you do? I would say I fall under the category of
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  influencers. I try to stay away from the word influencer because I think that there is some
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  there's been an abuse taking towards the word and also some hijacking of the word just because
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  people label influencers fake or they're doing it for the wrong reasons or like they're not
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  being who they are. I try to think of myself as a key person of influence, trying to use storytelling,
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  trying to use basketball and trying to use my voice to positively impact conversations around the
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  world that are true and dear to me. I make content on the internet. I come from the basketball world.
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  I was a player in high school in college. I've found the intersection of basketball and advocacy
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  throughout the internet. Be more specific because I think that that can be very confusing what
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  the intersection of basketball and advocacy actually means. But maybe frame it through your story.
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  So obviously you're playing ball. You see things happening in the world that you're not exactly
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  happy about. At what point do you think, okay, you know, I have the potential to go do this to
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  actually play professionally. Like I'm on that path. This is not the path that I'm going to go on
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  even though it's like highly lucrative and I can make a lot of money and that'd be a great life.
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  There's other things that I feel like, you know, I'm like called to accomplish. Where are you in
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  life when that happens? I'm from the States. I was born in Boston. When I was six, my family went to
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  Israel to Jerusalem for two years. I was there during the the second intifada very early on.
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  That's when I started playing basketball. I picked up a basketball since that moment since
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  that day fell in love with the game. We'll get into those details later. Came back to the States
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  started really pursuing have this thing called ball's life where everything that you do in
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  basketball is just it's a culture. It's a fashion. It's a language. It's your it's your thing.
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  I was I think gifted with some self-awareness very early on in my life. Self-aware meaning I realized I
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  was a white Ashkenazid you from Boston. I was not going to the NBA and so regardless of of my
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  you're allowed to laugh. You could have done semi pro. I did. Yeah. Yeah. And so this this idea of
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  like hold on. Let me be a little more a little bit more realistic of where I fit in. I actually was
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  gifted with that pretty early on, but that didn't stop me from wanting to still put a ball
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  in my hands and play. I played at two high schools and two colleges was injured most of my career.
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  And so the the injuries we'll get into these details, but the injuries and the experience and
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  journey of being this like basketball player, I would say injury basketball player gave me a lot
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  of opportunity to start working on who I am as a person as a man as a as a as an adult young adult
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  and understanding more about the world bigger than basketball and how can these experiences on
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  and off the court help me with my relationships help me with my professional career help me grow
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  as a person with all of that being said, when I knew the NBA and division one basketball was not
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  my future, you have to be a little bit more practical about thinking what what are you good at?
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  What are the things that you're good at and what are the things that you like and how can you
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  find a way to merge those things? And I've always been somebody who likes to speak and likes to tell
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  stories and likes to help other individuals like the the just things I like to do if it's picking up
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  the wallet on the ground that somebody dropped and running after them or if it's having deep
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  conversations bigger than you know just that. And personally as as a an American Israeli who
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  has lived in Israel since those two years in Jerusalem back and forth between the states,
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  it was very clear to me that after I was training basketball players and as a player it was very
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  clear to me it was my time to open up dialogue about what my life is like in Israel with it being
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  a very big conversation right now in the world and it's so interesting because at first I found
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  being a basketball player as a liability coming into the space of the Middle East, Israel, Palestine
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  such a polarizing conversation and yet throughout my process of trying to massage my message in who I
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  am, I found it to be probably the best asset because basketball and culture and sports and who I
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  am helps humanize the conversation a little bit. When you say you thought it was a liability,
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  the framing is like who am I to have an opinion on this? We all have this idea of first of all
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  am I allowed to be in this arena to have a right to be in this arena arena as in like talking about
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  something conflict, humanitarian crisis conflict. We'll talk about this eventually but I didn't
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  serve in the army when I moved to Israel I didn't get the call to serve so you have a little bit of
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  like an identity crisis is this my place but the basketball court has always been in between
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  those four lines my sanctuary for being able to connect with people from all over the world,
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  mostly non-Jews my three closest friends Nigerian Haitian and Jamaican best friend in high schools
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  Muslim like we'll talk about this so that that court has allowed me to actually realize wait a minute
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  that is how I build bridges like the sport of basketball has allowed me to build bridges and I also
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  find that since most of us are not the geopolitical expert we do tend to find our way of relating to
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  somebody who might have something in common with me sports music fashion art whatever the thing is
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  that's a that's a door it's an opening a door to a conversation that's deeper when you already
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  have common ground I agree one thing that is sort of I guess a little jarring to me is I think a lot
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  of the animosity in the hate is is purely from social media and echo chambers online because growing
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  up we did not draw the lines between people that we see on on Twitter or X or any other social
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  like there was no lines there was no you're this I'm this at all and maybe I'm blessed because
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  my parents were great people and they just encouraged you to just be friends with anybody and
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  everybody I'm sure that not every family is like that although I think in you know more
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  like newer families or or certain parts of the world maybe a little bit more forward thinking
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  or accepting but my family is very like I say they were accepting but it wasn't like I knew they
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  were accepting it just felt like everybody being a human to another human is just the norm that's
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  just how you live and I started really understanding that not everybody thought that way when you start
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  to see these global conflicts and you start to see like an us versus them yes and to me that was
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  so strange yes I just doesn't exist in my world when I was growing up and I've just started to
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  notice it more I don't know if it's more recent if it's because social media sort of encourages
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  these echo chambers of thought but yes same like yourself it wasn't it wasn't basketball I played
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  a whole bunch of different sports but it was just shared activities shared life shared childhood
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  experiences there was no us versus them when you were a kid and I don't really know I don't really
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  know at what point people thought that there isn't us versus them if it's not a learned experience
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  from parents both of my parents are rabbis so my dad is a reconstructionist rabbi my mom is a
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  reform rabbi she actually wanted to go through with the conservative movement at that time women
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  in the United States were not allowed to go through the conservative movement she was I think like
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  the 55th women rabbi in America by the way to those watching like they may not understand the
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  concept of a woman being a rabbi it's just that in specifically mostly in North America we have
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  grown to different denominations and Judaism same with any religion same with a lot of well in
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  Israel like most synagogues most places of worship are going to be like through the orthodox
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  movement you're not going to see like reform synagogues down the street everywhere in my mom
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  through the the rabbi and the rabbi and in Israel could not get ordained because she wouldn't
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  be going through the orthodox movement for example just to so I'm mentioning that because
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  one of the big pillars in the reform movement is social justice and speaking up for social justice
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  when I was six we went to Israel my dad was on a program to study with other rabbis from
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  across the world and my mom was in the country to do volunteer work to understand more about
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  Arab Jewish relations Israeli-Palestinian conflict how to how to sort of bridge the bridge the gap
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  she spent a lot of time both in the West Bank down on the border in Gaza and my dad was studying
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  we as a family went down when I was six years old in 2001 we went down to Behrshava which is
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  the negative it's the desert southern part of Israel my parents took and I have an older brother
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  his four years older than me so I was six he was ten by the way this is remember I'm six I don't
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  know any Hebrew I don't know anything about Israel I don't want to be here it's like why are you
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  taking me like the kid who was throwing the baseball in the street with his brother away from his
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  like fun comfortable place in in Boston to this new place called Israel in the middle of the second
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  and we went down there to this Bedouin village Bedouins are nomadic group typically Arab speaking
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  people who don't have the same access to all other people in Israel a lot of the Arab sorry a lot
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  of the better communities it has improved way more since 2001 to 2003 but at that time some
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  of the resources had been neglected to them so they're always on the go backpack tent like rod
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  clothes they just always on the go we went down there to help volunteer and build for them a
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  medical facility because the water that they were drinking was very dirty and so kids and children
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  and mothers and fathers were getting ill and they didn't have a medical facility to treat them just
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  because of the water that they were drinking we built it out of clay and haystacks and I was with
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  groups of Bedouin Arab children who didn't speak English and didn't speak Hebrew and I didn't
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  speak Arabic so we communicated kind of just like with sounds and body language but here's this
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  six-year-old from Boston who is just thrown into this place called Israel then very early on
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  starting to do these initiatives and projects to understand how to interact with people from
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  different parts of the world who don't speak the same languages you don't believe in the same God
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  don't have the same menu in their kitchen not the same ethnicity culture and all that stuff
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  and my parents really emphasize this important lesson which you just touched on which is it should
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  never be about us versus them like I will always love you if you love me too
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  period end of story that's like how I see the world I've always seen the world that way and I was
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  you know I emphasize this point because that experience um happened to be between it's six seven
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  and eight years old which every human being if you look into the development of who we are our
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  neurology and even astrology we all go through experiences between those two to three years
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  that help form a lot of who we are later in life and you can look at this through your
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  astrological and natal chart you can look at this through going back to childhood experiences
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  that period of time is shapeshifting for people so I got thrown into the middle of it at six seven
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  and eight in Israel and with this experience with Arab kids and since then um I've always looked at
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  life that way I've always looked at it why is it me versus you and then in a situation where
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  there's a conflict it should be about us versus the problem it's just trying to identify what that
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  problem is and trying to figure out if we can find common ground which is because of social media
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  the the impossible task right now with something like Israel Palestine or kind of any conflict
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  yeah it's very sad yeah it's very no I was gonna I was gonna agree with you I just
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  that is that is the way that you fix any any conflict it could be with your wife or your husband
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  it could be with any group in the world it's like what's the problem let's come together solve it
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  together because if you don't if you don't adopt that mentality there's always going to be a loser
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  yes and to be quite honest when there is a loser to a degree both sides lose there's never
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  somebody who comes out of a conflict like unscathed if you ever choose the us versus them mentality
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  hmm it's good it's it's never so you're young you have like a very healthy world view your
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  parents are great and this is what I alluded to before like yes I understand that not everybody's
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  childhood is great I understand that some parents are absolute assholes and they teach something
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  very early on to their children their kids and it's very hard to sort of reprogram and see the
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  world in a better light because you had all this influence it happens in the US it happens
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  in Canada it happens in Israel it happens all over the world where you are sort of programmed
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  a certain way because of your parents I just wish that social media didn't triple down on that
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  negative programming but also social media seems to at the same time it's triple down on people
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  that were negatively programmed from their parents it also seems to take people that were relatively
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  reasonable good people and make them angrier and more divided so everything is just making people
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  angry across the board sure and I mean you basically just you unpacked right there what I think is
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  the main first of all you would agree with me that the news and mainstream media and television
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  all of them the way that they make most of their money is by delivering content that will
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  inevitably make you have to see more and the thing that makes you have to see more is the emotion
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  of being afraid if you are afraid of something or you're more curious about something that you're
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  fearing you will dig deeper you'll listen to the podcast more you'll watch the news more you'll
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  research more that is essentially and that's that's attention so fear mongering machines will grab
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  people's attention more which unfortunately this is it's a it's a it's a financial model for the
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  new by the way I don't watch the news like a lot of it is hard to compartmentalize and I also think
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  a lot of it feeds into what you're talking about there are influencers and content creators and
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  I would say voices of reasons who do talk about how you are your algorithm in a way
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  and there are ways to live a life and have a life and interact with the world that will have an
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  effect on on your on your feed so and as somebody who lives on social media on like seven or eight
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  platforms now building a brand I also have to figure out talking about something so complicated
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  the Middle East and at the same time having an incredible amount of other pillars in my life that
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  are really important to me my family my friends music dancing traveling food like just like parts of
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  me basketball and so I think I've been very blessed to be able to understand the psychology around
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  and practice good relationships with it moat in that has to do with I think consciousness and
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  energy most people don't which is why social media in the news continuously wins it will all it is
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  it is the powerhouse of now being kind of like the decision maker for people when they're choosing
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  how they want to view a world conflict which is a really scary reality um that in 13 seconds or
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  24 seconds somebody's perception can be changed especially if they follow someone that person's
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  voice is probably going to be the leading factor versus critical thinking and the person who they
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  follow is subjective right they're following a subjective in that but they're also like people
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  don't even think about incentives so the person they're following is incentivized because that
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  conflict that content pays them but also so not only the influence of their following or the
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  voice are following whether if you are angry about something somebody's profiting off that anger
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  11 out of 10 times so the angrier you are the shareholders at Fox and MSNBC and BBC and
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  Al Jazeera they are profiting it the angrier you are I mean how do social platforms make money
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  it's it's well you need people because with people comes advertisers and that's how you make
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  money so and the toughest thing sort of you know not sound too cliche but to escape the social
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  media matrix it's very difficult because you have the smartest most well-funded
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  engineers, psychologists, marketers in the world whose only job is to keep you
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  attentive and angry and consuming so you're already losing the battle because most people aren't
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  trained to have a discerning view and have the intellect and intelligence and cognitive
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  horsepower to beat the smartest people in the world whose only job is to keep you sort of trapped
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  in the social media ecosystem it's very toxic it's wild right like also like someone like you or
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  someone like me who also we make content to put out to an audience on the internet you want your
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  content to do well because you want more people to see it so you have to think about where
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  the strategies around how do I get that content to stick for people and so you and I I don't want
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  to say play the game but we do have to think about what is the best what can I control most on my
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  input so that the output has its maximum possible you know reach and however the difference is is
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  that like what is the message at the end of the day if you boil it down you're trying to give
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  is this gonna make me feel good and happy and positive or is it gonna make me go into that
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  through a state that that to me is the differentiating factor of if you are or are not contributing to
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  what you're talking about it's a it's it's a really it's a scary state it's an it's an unfortunate
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  state it's been happening for a very long time I will tell you as an observer and somebody on it
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  I think it's changing I do think it's changing I think it's gonna take a long time for us to see
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  what that looks like in real time but I if you look at the world right now people have had enough
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  like people have had enough with government and systems and not feeling like they have access to
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  truth and not feeling like they have access to ultimate happiness we've we've really gone away from
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  what happiness is and I think that we're having a conversation now in you know September 2025 it's
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  it's premature and it's early but I do think that all of this noise and mayhem and chaos that we're
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  seeing in the world is a growing pain that we inevitably have to go through in order to see
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  positive change on the other side that's how evolution works like we have to go through this
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  right now we're just in the we're in the mud what makes actually now I'm not gonna ask you what
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  makes I'm gonna eventually ask you what makes you so optimistic but first I want to understand a
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  little bit more about uh sort of your story because you're playing basketball sorry well very early
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  on you're in Israel uh six years old uh how does your relationship with Israel evolved because
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  that obviously when you're you know uh playing ball like you're back in the US I'm assuming for
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  yeah and and like that was a period of your life come back to the US where you always sort of
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  one foot in like Israel Middle East conflict or was that something that you sort of put away
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  for a period of your time of your life it's a really good question so when we lived in Israel it was
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  during one of the harder times in the past few decades I mean I don't even know if you can measure
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  hard times in the Middle East it seems like everything's a hard time so it was during the second
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  intifada um we lived in Jerusalem and specifically in Jerusalem there were an incredible amount of
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  terrorist attacks happening throughout the early 2000s um I was the like second week we moved
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  into our apartment a group from either the government or the army like knocked on our families
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  houses door and they had cardboard boxes and inside of the cardboard boxes were gas masks
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  and they were teaching us when and how to use these if needed during um in event where at that time
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  Iraq had the ability to send over a particular kind of missile that did have a chemical release
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  that could have an effect on your health and your body if you were to inhale it and the gas masks
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  were there to protect obviously what year is this 2001 and I'm six so I'm like
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  going from the states to this place in the like the other side of the ocean and then being handed
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  this gas mask and I'm just like what is this place you know I mean I sit again like no Hebrew it's
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  new to me and also there were events like bus bombings and car bombings and I was walking to school
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  with my brother when warming in a car bomb did go off on our street like for those listening
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  and watching the distance would be like if you're thinking about a 100 yard NFL football field like
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  60 or 70 yards away from where we were so I got hit with this concept of apparently what this
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  place Israel was very early on and grew very thick skin through this um at 67 and eight years old
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  you're not thinking about the Middle Eastern conflict and you also don't know a lot you don't you
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  don't know enough as a kid right no you're just thinking Boston was much nicer than that all you
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  were thinking it was Boston was way nicer um it's it's so funny you said that that's perfect
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  segue to what I was going to say is we go back to the states and you would think that at after
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  an experience like that how does a kid who's you know traumatized during those very important
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  years as a kid those developmental years as a kid how does a kid like that have an experience
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  and then later in his life feel called to then go back more and more and more because that's what I've
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  been doing happened in 2011 happened in 2016 1819 and now I'm back and now I live there
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  I'm full Israeli um I wasn't thinking about Israel the Middle East during those 60 during those
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  those two years and I was a kid but what I will tell you is um the energy and the connection
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  to the land of Israel as a Jew is something that I did feel when I was that kid it's still back
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  then it was impossible to describe and still at 30 it is hard to describe but I do think that
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  first of all and you were saying offline you'd never been to Israel it Israel is literally the
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  epicenter of religious energy of the world you can you can feel it and it's there's no way
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  I can't pull up a dictionary I can't pull up anything anyway to describe it to you it is just
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  something that one's core feels Jew or non Jew by the way when you go to Israel and especially
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  Jerusalem um I we lived 10 minutes away from the the coat of the western wall so like we would
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  spend sometimes holidays or shabbat being there so I was gifted with this like really cool
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  opportunity that I only appreciated later in life to be in the epicenter of that religious
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  you know energy of the world as a Jew there in these important years so only later on in my life
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  did I realize obviously how important those two years were to to my base and who I am uh but
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  the conflict and the the situation in the Middle East only became something that I realized I
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  wanted to talk about publicly and share more in the past few years I mean I was working for an
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  organization that was basically taking Jews from the diaspora to the land of Israel to explore the
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  Jewish identity and I was doing this back and forth and each time I would go back to Israel I'd
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  realize this is more than just a vacation spot like this is this is a place that I would probably
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  call home it has been home um so it was planted in me my my my parents unintentionally planted that
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  in me my brothers four years older than me if I didn't live in Israel he'd probably never come
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  visit right it's just like it's a place for him you know good food Tel Aviv beach for me it
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  completely shifted my DNA what was what was the moment when you shelved basketball permanently
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  so I know you went through a lot of injuries you broke your back at 16 and I'm assuming it's a lot
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  like my experiences with hockey Canadian it's it's a it's a it's a cliche but it's very
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  truly we all play hockey um I assume that around 16 if you aren't really planning on going pro
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  or you're not drafted there's not scouts that are looking at you and you're like
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  I should think about something else that I want to do with my life but also
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  I don't know how religious you are I have no idea I know your parents are rabbis I don't know
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  what your relationship with God is but if I had this
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  personally speaking if I had this draw to a part of the world and I knew I wanted to play
• 27:58
  ball and I knew that I could even make a career going semi like semi-prower European leagues or whatever
• 28:02
  so make good money and I kept getting injured maybe this is just me but I would be like you know
• 28:08
  what that's like a sign that is like a sign God is telling me something I'm not meant to be doing
• 28:14
  this I'm going to do something else or like he wouldn't keep putting all these blockers in my
• 28:19
  way do you have you ever thought that through couldn't have said about myself and yet because I'm
• 28:27
  insane I like to think I'm insane best people are to best people are insane you definitely like
• 28:31
  because I'm insane and deeply deeply deeply deeply in love with the game of basketball even though
• 28:39
  I've had a really hard relationship with it it's it sometimes even makes me emotional like
• 28:45
  when I was 16 I was diagnosed with two hairline fractures and something called spondyliosthesis in
• 28:51
  my spine which is a fancy way of saying vertebrae were separated and I had some shatters in part of
• 28:57
  my hairline fractures in my spine now at 16 years old when you go to Boston Children's Hospital
• 29:02
  and your orthopedic looks at you and was like you have never seen a 16 year old with these before
• 29:08
  I can't tell you how you got these we'll do some bone marrow testing we'll do some vitamin
• 29:13
  testing we'll try to take a look under the hood but this one's weird right did a lot of testing
• 29:19
  tried to figure out if it was genetic what would happen um I was in a Boston overlap brace a
• 29:25
  Bob plastic hard shell brace for 23 hours a day connected with a bone stimulator on my lower back
• 29:30
  so this wasn't like you fell and broke your back I fell twice going into my senior year in the
• 29:36
  summer at a Boston University tournament when I was with my high school team Newton South I
• 29:42
  felt twice on my right hip bone on a Saturday morning to do that doesn't do that that you know the
• 29:47
  first one was bad but then we had our championship game against new mission at the time it was one
• 29:53
  of the best teams in the state and there was only five of us because our six player got injured if
• 29:56
  I chose not to play would have to forfeit so I played on it and it happened again during the game
• 30:02
  and then I realized like this is something I should check out so when I got the images in the
• 30:08
  doc the orthopedic told us this isn't just like let's let's sit you out for two weeks this is a
• 30:13
  procedure so I was in a plastic hard shell brace bone simulator I missed out on a lot of recruiting
• 30:19
  I got from some division two and division three schools in northeast america senior year played
• 30:25
  in the transitional brace more of a flexible one decided to do a postgraduate year a PG year at
• 30:31
  a prep school in Connecticut um two weeks before the season started I fractured both of my tibias
• 30:39
  so I had bilateral hairline fractures and I had only one two options one was not to play which means
• 30:43
  the PG year's gone two was to play I played on them I got some recruitment throughout that year
• 30:50
  had lots of other injuries I had compartments injured my leg I had an evulsion fracture my ankle
• 30:55
  I ended up playing two years at almyra college in new york hairline fractures were still a problem
• 31:00
  I didn't really find myself there it's in the middle of almyra new york on the border
• 31:04
  pencil vania socio economically very depressed very dark not a lot of opportunity wanted to come back
• 31:09
  closer to my family maybe play basketball ended up transferring to curry college in boston who had
• 31:15
  actually recruited me when I was a high school student the day before I moved in I tore my ACL and so
• 31:21
  I didn't play my junior year I can keep going like all of these injuries over and over and over and over
• 31:28
  and over and there's more by the way after I came back to israel I don't want to bore the audience
• 31:32
  with the injuries but or you but I think the insanity part comes in is like when do you stop
• 31:39
  right like what are you going after right like I like what was I going after because I obviously knew
• 31:43
  wasn't the mba clearly obviously wasn't division one scholarship um but I think I just love the game
• 31:50
  too much when I'm playing basketball it's very therapeutic for me it's kind of the only
• 31:54
  meditative state that I can I can achieve at the moment and I knew when you to your question
• 32:02
  sorry for the rant but when did I shelve basketball officially my last game ever at curry college
• 32:11
  in 2018 I actually wrote a letter to basketball during my last game and at the last four or five
• 32:17
  minutes of the game the opposing team one of their players of shooting free throws there's a picture
• 32:22
  of me but I was sit I had a moment of like he shooting free throws on the other side of the court
• 32:27
  and I actually sat down on the free throw line and I kind of just looked out and blacked out for a
• 32:31
  few moments just like realizing kind of like this is the last time I put on the competitive jersey
• 32:35
  I would say that's why shelved playing basketball now when I came to israel there was a team created
• 32:40
  for people who are immigrating to israel which I actually got recruited for and we ended up playing
• 32:44
  moved up a few divisions the injuries still did not stop I partially tore my bicep tendon
• 32:51
  and I have something called Morton's neuroma which is one of two of my toes are essentially kind
• 32:58
  of pressed against each other which hurt the nerve ending so I have lost sensation and feel in one
• 33:02
  of my toes and trying to push and plant and jump and run can be very painful cold weather will affect
• 33:09
  it too if it's very cold out so I kind of realized like this isn't it you know this isn't it this
• 33:15
  is how I got into training basketball players through all these injuries so I shelved it in college
• 33:19
  but I try to play for fun when I can it's not my career I wish it was not my career
• 33:26
  training players became my career and now today with how I use basketball it's on a different
• 33:32
  pedestal right like I use it on a different platform not playing but I'm trying to use it to
• 33:37
  sort of open up dialogue you made alia which is really just means you moved to israel at some point
• 33:43
  the IDFs you never served now give me give me let me know if this is correct because I don't want to
• 33:51
  put words in your mouth but so was that something not serving was that difficult for you like when
• 34:00
  you moved to israel you didn't serve you felt like you are not contributing 110% of yourself to
• 34:07
  this country that you love at this point very much so when I first came to israel I actually
• 34:12
  thought it was gonna affect my ability to fit in make friends get judged maybe like date women
• 34:23
  who would look at me as like because for people that don't know everybody serves in the
• 34:27
  yeah yeah right so to add some context your israeli is a required to serve 18 years old day in
• 34:32
  list the time varies for depending on what you do but very much so I actually did it's funny I
• 34:41
  had a a story with a girl I dated very early on who after a few like really good dates called me
• 34:48
  one day and was like listen I thought about it you didn't serve in the army like my family like
• 34:54
  we wouldn't accept you you know like and that's like it's like it's like really okay you know so
• 34:57
  that that that like made me think like wait a minute some people do pay attention to it turns
• 35:02
  out six seven years later she's very much like in anomaly like there's like she was just one of
• 35:11
  two people maybe who had like voice their opinion of why they're against the idea that I didn't
• 35:17
  serve now to add some context I didn't serve because it was my choice not to serve when I made aliyah
• 35:23
  typically a process goes through where you get a phone call from the idea for from one of the
• 35:29
  organizations who are going to onboard you because you are a new immigrant I was 25 when I made aliyah
• 35:36
  soldiers who are commanders can be 18 and 19 years old and when you have an 18 19 year old
• 35:40
  israeli commander with a 25 year old american immigrant things can get very bureaucratically
• 35:46
  confusing and complicated and I was never given like a formal reason but that is that is essentially
• 35:54
  the guess from the organization that onboarded me to israel as to why I never got that phone call
• 36:00
  I was kind of preparing for it mentally because it's the convert it's like the
• 36:05
  not the elephant the room but if you make aliyah you understand that there is also
• 36:11
  this service that you are giving to the country so it was something I was mentally preparing for
• 36:16
  at the same time it didn't happen now when conflict knocks on your door sirens war fighting
• 36:27
  in my friends that I've made throughout the past six seven years there 99.999 who have
• 36:34
  served our serving or in the reserves when when they get a phone call to like go into a territory
• 36:40
  or go on a mission or get called back from their family because they're in reserves it's called me
• 36:45
  the weem and I'm I don't have to do anything it it it felt guilty like it felt like like well that's
• 36:54
  crazy you know um that catapulted me into wanting to start to enlist myself I call it enlisting
• 37:02
  myself in my own army service it's the closest thing I could ever get to to being a soldier
• 37:07
  because I can't put on a uniform and I can't go serve and I can't go protect in the fields um
• 37:14
  so the survivor's guilt for sure I felt especially on the 7th 8th 9th 10th of October when
• 37:20
  I was sitting in in Tel Aviv when the country was kind of not on lockdown but in this very like very
• 37:24
  fear state and I was speaking to friends when they would get wifi if they would they would leave
• 37:30
  Gaza or something they were they were there in territory in uniform so turns out that I wasn't
• 37:37
  judged people actually look at people who make alia as like a very courageous thing a very like
• 37:43
  zionistic thing to do to like leave your life behind where you were in the world and come to this
• 37:48
  very insane place called Israel a lot of them actually don't understand why we come there because
• 37:51
  they're like why would you want to come here you know you leave Boston, Massachusetts right so
• 37:57
  um that has changed a little bit for me because I feel like I am fulfilling something that I was
• 38:07
  I was supposed to eventually do so at first had a very difficult relationship with it and now not
• 38:13
  as much so your so this the mission that you're on right now it it's been sort of it's been happening
• 38:22
  your whole life but ultimately October 7th is when you're like I need to actually put my voice out
• 38:28
  there yeah and then you're no longer coaching basketball at this point and this is like to put
• 38:35
  it simply this is when you're like a full-time content creator into into this space um not that early
• 38:41
  on no not that early on so just to add the because it's it's interesting it definitely didn't happen
• 38:49
  like that I want to remind the listeners that I started this for personal reasons for feeling guilty
• 38:57
  that I wasn't able to go help after what unfolded after the 7th and my friends were in Gaza and then
• 39:03
  actually relatively quickly then deployed up north next to Lebanon that's a b I found out in
• 39:11
  October that one of my friends was called at the Nova Festival and c the last thing I flew back
• 39:18
  to the states after the 7th on the 10th I was one of the last flights out of Israel see the last
• 39:24
  thing that was on my mind was basketball and fitness I had I went through a really scary um my body
• 39:32
  wasn't sleeping in October so I was sleeping like 90 minutes to 120 minutes a night and for about
• 39:38
  three weeks and like whether it was related to what happened on the 7th and just everything or
• 39:46
  whatever it was I started seeing a sleep doctor once I started to figure that out
• 39:52
  I realized that Israel and the story of what I went through what's going on is too important for me
• 39:58
  not to not to talk about and I started making YouTube videos in my basement in in in the greater
• 40:06
  Boston area one two three and then the fourth one I showed you a picture actually of what the
• 40:11
  production looked like before this podcast the fourth one went relative to the size of my channel
• 40:17
  at the time viral there was is and I can't say his name for for privacy reasons there's a very big
• 40:25
  youtuber who operates in a different space who actually found me one day before the war and talk to
• 40:30
  me about going on YouTube one day and as a result of that conversation I decided this was when I was
• 40:34
  still making basketball fitness videos so the first like four or five videos on my YouTube channel
• 40:38
  are me trying to teach like Steph Curry work warm-ups like if you go back I got 200 views and then
• 40:45
  I had a conversation with him when I was in the States a very heartfelt conversation with him about
• 40:50
  how do I go from that to talking about this thing that happened in Israel and he
• 40:55
  helped me identify that this is potentially a calling for me um so fourth video goes out he's
• 41:03
  helping me think through sort of like post-production stuff just to get an idea that like I didn't
• 41:07
  figure it out on my own I got hope along the way I told the story but thumbnail and title and like
• 41:11
  understanding over time November December January now I'm like my YouTube channel is growing and now
• 41:18
  from YouTube other parts of my life Instagram and TikTok now a discord community is being built and
• 41:24
  then like the wheel goes so full-time now sitting in front of you yes in the beginning in the beginning
• 41:33
  in the beginning it was figuring out how to find my voice what does my voice even mean like who am I
• 41:42
  this basketball fitness guy now talking about Israel Palestine like how does it even work right and
• 41:48
  I started observing a lot of the people who did choose to begin to chime in and I understood a lot of it was
• 41:56
  um congested a lot of it was regurgitated and a lot of it didn't feel like it was threading any
• 42:01
  needle like it's one thing content around the conflict okay the content around the conflict
• 42:08
  felt that every time I did this it was a new person saying the same thing that I just saw before
• 42:15
  I swiped so it's 39 ways of saying the same thing and a lot of those 39 really molded into like
• 42:22
  kind of the same way and that's when I realized if I use basketball and when I say that practically
• 42:31
  I'm saying go to basketball courts and film videos about the Middle East not sitting in in front of
• 42:36
  a chair in front of lights and talking about it but like I would go to basketball courts I put on
• 42:42
  my microphone I would play basketball and I would talk about Israel Palestine or I would go to a
• 42:48
  basketball court and I would interview somebody who had had an experience to traumatize an experience
• 42:51
  just trying kind of like hot ones so same idea um then eventually you know this as somebody who
• 43:00
  finds a cool niche and then they can run with it good things happened from there the brand started
• 43:06
  to grow and suddenly now like I'm getting opportunities maybe to come and speak here speak there
• 43:11
  and I've been to six countries I'm going to my seven soon so if I wish it just happened that like
• 43:18
  I turned on my camera and like suddenly I was like a full-time content creator it's taken a lot and
• 43:22
  I started making videos on the internet in 2018 I was just making like cool videos back in Boston
• 43:27
  about my life um I started a series called Barack meets Barack because I wrote him a letter when
• 43:32
  he got elected and he wrote me one back and I made this like journey about how I'm gonna meet him
• 43:36
  so like I was doing things like that just for fun that video that went viral what were you
• 43:40
  speaking about the hit that particular video was a member of Hamas who got captured by the idea
• 43:51
  who was actually operating inside of a hospital inside of the Gaza Strip and they
• 43:57
  interviewed him they questioned him about what is happening inside of the hospital with the war
• 44:02
  and in the video he's speaking Arabic the video is translated to Hebrew and I realized that since
• 44:08
  I speak fluent Hebrew and a lot of the boots on the ground reality stays in Israel in the middle
• 44:16
  east a little bit when it comes to Arabic and Hebrew and that doesn't get distributed to people
• 44:21
  sitting in Miami or people sitting in Canada what a great way to sort of create that boots on the
• 44:25
  ground reality so I would take these videos in Hebrew that show what is going on I would translate
• 44:32
  them into English but I would also give the anglers to like what does this mean in terms of why
• 44:37
  things are happening the video was that it was the interview cut translate and then me giving
• 44:44
  people access to that in the diaspora who don't have access to that because of the language barrier
• 44:47
  quick question what's your go-to when you got 10 minutes before a meeting or a workout for me it
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  it does very very well um I like the unique angle of incorporating basketball into it because
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  like you said it bridges the gap if somebody's just a talking head whose Jewish is really whichever
• 47:49
  I feel like that message is missed I think I don't need to just not like anecdotal I mean I think
• 47:55
  support for israel's at an all-time low so I don't think that from a PR perspective israel's
• 48:04
  doing a great job or else support wouldn't be so low yeah and I've seen it bleed into just pure
• 48:12
  anti-semitism so something from a PR perspective is not working and if you have an opinion or not
• 48:21
  be my guess I don't know enough about why it's not working or why there's so much
• 48:26
  hate towards israel and Jews and in general um that's something we can actually bring up because
• 48:33
  now even stuff that's happening currently like even this week is just arbitrarily being blamed on
• 48:38
  Jews which is just fucking insane but um without getting too negative I think it's I think the way
• 48:47
  that you look at bridging a conversation is a beautiful way to do it yeah but you have like
• 48:52
  actually some more data on how it's working how has it worked more or less yeah like explain
• 48:58
  like the conversations you have with people like opinions that you have changed like
• 49:04
  when so many people who try and advocate for israel yeah like again it's just they feed into an echo
• 49:13
  chamber and their message just falls flat there's so much for me here I'm gonna push back if you
• 49:21
  don't I'm gonna push back for you you're gonna I think you're gonna like this it's gonna also
• 49:25
  probably shock the people listening before I get to that I would say that if you look at the
• 49:36
  story of the Middle East right now just to make things very simple unfortunately we have
• 49:45
  pro-Israel and pro-Palestine that's that is the us versus them we were talking about a while
• 49:51
  while ago from the pro-Palestine perspective they have a very beautiful
• 49:58
  story because it's two words and they all say the same two words and there's really no other slogan
• 50:05
  it's free Palestine and yes you have globalized the intifada intifada revolution there's only one
• 50:11
  solution from the river to the sea death to you have you have all of this but free Palestine
• 50:17
  is simple and it's very effective and a lot of people have easily gotten behind that
• 50:24
  and I'm not saying by the way that's the only reason they have there's a lot of other nuances
• 50:29
  you look at pro-Israel by the way I'm again I want to repeat I'm just simplifying it because it's
• 50:35
  not just anti and pro it's this is the two camps sort of barking at each other pro-Israel you have
• 50:41
  bring them home you have Amis al-Qaay we have each county in every city has like four slogans
• 50:48
  you have the internal divide between religious and secular you have the the issues internally in
• 50:55
  Israel you have for the coalition against the coalition against BB pro BB we have sex in sex with
• 51:04
  the CT inside of their messaging that we're supposed to have and we're all trying to tell the same
• 51:10
  story they have done a they see here I'm doing it right now the pro-Palestinian camp has done a
• 51:16
  very good job at effectively saying two words which is simple and easy and we've had lots of
• 51:25
  slogans and attempts of throwing darts at the board to try and get what you're saying the international
• 51:30
  community to to hear our our side our truth now I want to start by saying that
• 51:42
  the increased amounts of anti-Semitism is scary the experiences that you saw in
• 51:50
  fold online for Jewish students on campus for Israelis traveling abroad for vandalism for synagogues
• 51:59
  for the president of a synagogue or the rabbi just trying to remember in Detroit getting killed at
• 52:05
  her doorstep for the two members at the Israeli embassy getting killed in the name of free Palestine
• 52:10
  like real real stuff real real real real stuff this is all of these things are the scary violent
• 52:24
  events that we all saw on the first thing we talked about in this podcast which is the media
• 52:29
  social media especially right now it is not built that platform those platforms are not built
• 52:37
  to show us the full picture I'm gonna tell you what I mean by that they're there to show us
• 52:45
  concentrated events that are meant for you to see because it benefits them but it also incentivizes
• 52:52
  certain behavior in you our timelines now it's a timeline thing whatever your timeline is your
• 52:58
  feed whatever you want to call it that's essentially your school of thought you open up the timeline
• 53:03
  of somebody who's in the pro Palestinian camp you open up the timeline on x whatever it is on this
• 53:08
  side you scroll through that is their school of thought when you download those apps and you press
• 53:13
  yes you're actually signing off on them having access to your camera your microphone your cookies
• 53:18
  and your data they're getting access to you they they know you so well so that your feed is
• 53:23
  it's perfect for who you want what you believe in that's where the divide comes in
• 53:28
  my biggest issue with the PR efforts inside of the Jewish community inside of Israel is they're
• 53:39
  very keen on come to Israel and see it for yourself come here enough debating enough contemplating
• 53:46
  outside in the world on social media let me come show you that it's not an apartheid state
• 53:51
  let me come show you that Arabs have the same rights let me come show you that they serve
• 53:57
  in court that they're doctors let me come show let me come show you now the issue with that is
• 54:03
  because this side of the room already has a pretty negative perception on what Israel is
• 54:11
  they don't want to come here to begin with it's like inviting somebody to dinner that doesn't
• 54:14
  even have an appetite it's not going to work and we're seeing like you just said a minute ago
• 54:20
  if someone like me needs to be doing it and I'm having more results than we have something we need
• 54:26
  to fucking fix here big time now let me tell you this is where I'm going to push back a little bit
• 54:32
  that wanted to tee that up for you I have tried to think about reverse engineering that idea of
• 54:39
  bringing people to Israel and bringing Israel to people if you want to talk about the complexities
• 54:47
  of the Middle East you have to create a safe space in order to do so and when you just say come to
• 54:53
  Israel come come we show you we come show you the truth come have humus and all this stuff you
• 54:58
  you're inviting somebody that already doesn't believe you they don't feel safe with you and you
• 55:02
  haven't even created a safe space to have these tough conversations if we bring Israel to people
• 55:10
  Barack who has chosen to do advocacy goes to the US goes to Canada goes to Spain goes to a Muslim
• 55:17
  country goes to Morocco goes to South Africa in October I'm going to Australia and you speak to
• 55:24
  Jewish and non-Jewish communities you speak to people in Washington Square Park in one of the
• 55:30
  hottest hot spots of like where these dialogues these tough dialogues on the internet have
• 55:34
  gone on when it comes to Israel Palestine where you go to the US Capitol while BB is testifying and
• 55:40
  there's four of you pro-Israel in thousands of anti-Israel people there where you go to the White
• 55:45
  House and you try to have this dialogue you begin to find out and I'm saying this as somebody who
• 55:52
  just came back from Greece all of the anti-Semitism all of the fighting all of the violence all
• 56:01
  the fear all the intimidation it is all real I'm not dismissing any of it what it does represent
• 56:06
  however is a very very loud minority if you think deeply about the encampments at these Ivy League
• 56:18
  institutions the drone footage shows you all of the people at the encampments if you took the
• 56:24
  controller of the drone and you just flew it up another 200 feet what you would see are the tens of
• 56:30
  thousands and other people who are just walking back and forth mining their business or the ones
• 56:35
  where I like what is going on here it's showing you the loud minority it's not showing you the silent
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  majority that's what social media does that's what these events will make you think is that it's
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  everywhere that you go case in point when I was in Spain and I was in Morocco and I was in South Africa
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  and I just came back from Greece offline and I'll say it on this podcast and I've been saying it ever
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  since I actually don't think most people in the world hate Israel I don't think most people in the
• 57:12
  world are behind the idea of torching it up and wiping it clean for the cause of the liberation
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  movement for Palestinians I don't think most people in the world are endorsing these protests marches
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  and acts of violence and just scapegoating to Jews and Israelis it sure feels like it
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  because you just you know you kind of said it like naturally because that's what we're programmed
• 57:41
  to do we're very much feels like it sure and there's big voices that seem emboldened yeah take a
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  and this is also frustrating they say like an anti-Israel stance but ultimately it bleeds into
• 57:52
  anti-Semitism yes very easily and quickly which which we just saw in the Dan Bullsarians and the
• 57:57
  Candace Owens and the and people that like Dan Bullsarian I mean where did this come from and then
• 58:05
  now an event happens like what happened right now I like to keep his evergreen we know like
• 58:09
  Charlie Kirk was just assassinated and murdered and I don't even understand the mental gymnastics
• 58:15
  as somebody has to go through right after that happens to start saying oh that must have been
• 58:20
  Israel must have been the Jews must have been the Jews but you see that on X and I'm like I don't
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  remember people being six years ago people having the balls to say that like that is such a wild
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  you know the person's full name he's not anonymous accounts it's not 4chan these are just real
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  people who feel like that's something appropriate to say on social media where you can find out who
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  they are it's almost as crazy as the people that were celebrating his death in my opinion like all
• 58:55
  of it is just nuts people see like so emboldened and so courageous to say these ridiculous things
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  and the reason why I say that it feels like Israel's losing the PR battle is because you see
• 59:12
  this stuff pop up and I just and it could just be a bias but I just don't remember it being so
• 59:19
  out there I agree with you that we are losing the PR battle I don't agree with the majority sentiment
• 59:29
  within the the pro-Israel camp that most people hate Israel I just don't and I don't because
• 59:37
  I'm hoping that's true but well well I'm not only hoping it's true but when I go to these countries
• 59:43
  I can give you I can give you examples in every single country right now with experiences that
• 59:49
  social media and mainstream will not show you which proves to me behind this this is why I think
• 59:54
  my voice is very important because when I'm traveling now I'm actually like I'm documenting my
• 1:00:01
  experiences in these anti-Semitic hot spots Spain is anti-Semitic Morocco Muslim country South
• 1:00:07
  Africa trying to you know put BB in jail for all the war crimes in the beginning of the war like
• 1:00:13
  you you go to these places and I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a quick story in in Morocco this will
• 1:00:20
  blow your mind the first day I get there by the way I was in Morocco because after the 7th of
• 1:00:27
  October a group of I would say more moderate Muslims from Morocco Pakistan and Dubai came into
• 1:00:33
  Israel to bear witness to what happened to learn more let me repeat not all of them were pro-Israel
• 1:00:40
  they were just thinking about how can I understand a holistic perspective of this conflict
• 1:00:47
  they came to Israel I was invited to go be with them and walk with them through the territories in
• 1:00:52
  the south kibbutz beri go to the side of the nova festival I got very close with a few of them who
• 1:00:58
  live in Morocco we made some videos in Israel together after they understood a little bit more seeing
• 1:01:04
  things firsthand meeting with families the first thing I'll say which I find very telling is
• 1:01:10
  after these videos went out on the internet the amount of threats that they received from their
• 1:01:15
  people back home in Morocco was insane I saw the messages I saw the people in an assembly line waiting
• 1:01:22
  for them essentially just waiting for them to land right because they came to this place called
• 1:01:28
  Israel so their own Muslim brothers and sisters were then saying don't even think about coming back
• 1:01:34
  here after what you just did these are moderates and they said it's my home I'm going back so they
• 1:01:40
  went back to a place their home back in Morocco that they weren't necessarily welcomed back by some
• 1:01:48
  of the people there that's the first thing that I find very interesting now I went to Morocco because
• 1:01:54
  if you're going to come to my home in bear witness to like what life is like in culture I want to
• 1:01:58
  go and learn more about your culture so I was on a 10 day exploration in Morocco I went across the
• 1:02:03
  entire country my first night I went to Medina which is the old city in Marrakesh and you walk
• 1:02:10
  in and it's this massive massive open flea market there's food there's concessions there's music
• 1:02:16
  there's kids on a Friday night and for Friday night for me back in Israel she bought for Friday
• 1:02:20
  night there in Morocco it's like celebration and they have these food stalls and these juice stands
• 1:02:26
  and one of them is on like a big stair step and they have this tradition where they bring in tourists
• 1:02:31
  they bring them up on the stand they give you this nice cool cultural Moroccan hat and they sing to
• 1:02:35
  you in front of everyone and I he called me up he just caught eyes with me called me up I come up
• 1:02:42
  the first thing he asked me is where are you from and I said Israel and he says
• 1:02:46
  ah shaliman ishma which means hey brother how are you doing in Hebrew I'm in Medina I know yeah
• 1:02:52
  so I'm like okay I'm excited but all right this is weird yeah we leave and across the street
• 1:03:00
  look tens of thousands of people across the street you see like 200 waving Palestinian flags
• 1:03:07
  every night they're there and I'm speaking with the people who are taking me around and then
• 1:03:13
  there are police officers around the public and the police officers hate them they disrupt peace
• 1:03:22
  they disrupt like the the travel and they they make people have to work on on nights and shifts
• 1:03:28
  that they don't even want to work the king in Morocco is also very protective of the Jewish
• 1:03:36
  communities that still exist in Morocco and he is a friend of Israel and you would think that as
• 1:03:45
  an Israeli Jew going into Morocco and you should see the messages I got from people before I got
• 1:03:48
  there watch out be careful tucking the necklace I'll talk about my necklace in a moment this is
• 1:03:52
  a important necklace like so that's one story by the way that I have in I have South African
• 1:03:59
  stories I have stories from Spain and now in Greece that these stories are not covered on mainstream
• 1:04:06
  they're not on X they're not on CNN they're not on Fox because I'm showing the optimistic side of
• 1:04:11
  things which is really hard to do right now with the current state of the union and boy oh boy
• 1:04:17
  Scott let me tell you the pushback that I've received from people in Israel people who have
• 1:04:23
  unfollowed me who are pro-Israel who think that I'm completely misrepresenting the like the boots
• 1:04:30
  on the ground reality for people when I get on YouTube basically every day of my life and I talk
• 1:04:35
  about these things in length sometimes up to 30 or 45 minutes of the anti-Semitism of the negative
• 1:04:41
  state I just think it's so important that the language that we use is accurate and I don't think
• 1:04:48
  it's accurate right now for us for us as the collective to say the world I hear this every day
• 1:04:56
  the world the globe earth everyone hates Israel I make the case it's not true I make the case
• 1:05:05
  that there is a very loud minority who makes us feel and think that way which by the way the
• 1:05:10
  damage that they do is insane it's insane and it's dangerous and it's bad the kandas always ends
• 1:05:16
  the sink you girls the the dan bullsarians and the mahamati jobs and the medihasans and we can keep
• 1:05:21
  going down because they have a lot of influence I still on record right now we'll say I just
• 1:05:28
  don't think it's the majority I think that a lot of people too have invoiced their opinion a
• 1:05:32
  because it doesn't it's not important enough to them like people down in Miami have more
• 1:05:38
  things to worry about than like what's happening in Israel Palestine and two they are sensitive
• 1:05:43
  to joining a very polarizing conversation because they've actually seen some of the repercussions
• 1:05:47
  for what happens if you voice your opinion um which is wild right it is so sorry that was that
• 1:05:53
  was a lot yeah don't apologize this is what we're here for um follow up to that I actually don't
• 1:05:59
  think that the whole world hates Israel I think that actually most a lot of neighboring Arab states
• 1:06:08
  are very very uh much pro in air quotes Israel not that they have to love the country but they
• 1:06:15
  don't agree with the destruction they don't agree with the destruction I mean now we have a
• 1:06:19
  khabad even though god you know god forbid the rabbi was killed with the khabad in Dubai and and
• 1:06:24
  UAE so like the gulf the Emirates like like it so obviously as a as an interviewer you don't you
• 1:06:34
  don't want to come across as bias but obviously if you're listening you kind of understand my bias
• 1:06:38
  like my dad worked uh for ceases so Canadian security intelligence services which is like a
• 1:06:45
  a mishmash of the CIA and the FBI kind of put together they're like a civilian investigation
• 1:06:51
  unit in Canada and they do all like you know the counterterrorism stuff and all I remember growing up
• 1:06:58
  that was that he worked with shinbet and like israel's like the bastion of democracy in the Middle East
• 1:07:04
  and I think that it I think that a lot of these neighboring Arab states not all but they realize
• 1:07:11
  that israel is very good to have israel is very good to have because there are groups in the
• 1:07:18
  Middle East that if israel was not there the neighboring Arab states would not be having as good a
• 1:07:23
  time as they are right now so I actually don't think it's the world for some reason it seems to be
• 1:07:30
  the west that was my interpretation yeah and that to me is crazy I don't understand and this is a
• 1:07:38
  bigger conversation about a younger generation what they believe and and you can throw in words
• 1:07:45
  like woke and liberal and all these different things and influence and influence but for some
• 1:07:50
  reason and again you push back but it seems like we lost a PR battle in the west I can't push
• 1:07:57
  back on that and I don't understand how that happened and I don't understand how we reconcile from
• 1:08:02
  that because that's a PR battle you don't want to lose I can't push back on that because I agree
• 1:08:15
  what you what you said about Charlie I think is
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  look um when like pogroms were at its all time high in the late 1800s early 1900s 1890
• 1:08:33
  in Lithuanian Russia all that stuff like at the time the Russians were had done a very good job
• 1:08:39
  of convincing a lot of people that the Jews were to blame for a lot of the world's problems
• 1:08:44
  this is not the first time not the first time in fact it happened before then fast forward a
• 1:08:50
  little bit you get into so pogroms continue Jews looked at as evil dangerous blame for at one
• 1:09:02
  time the bonych plague like blame for like things that are insane um and then during the holocaust
• 1:09:10
  you have uh al-Juminal Husseini who was like the the one of the leaders at the time um who came into
• 1:09:19
  Berlin Palestinian leader if you will came into Berlin to meet with Hitler and talk about how we
• 1:09:25
  bring the final solution from Europe to the Middle East and they actually worked on translating
• 1:09:33
  mind comp to Arabic to be able to distribute to a lot of communities in the Middle East
• 1:09:40
  then you look at like today where a lot of how a lot of people in that region think about
• 1:09:45
  Jewish people or Israeli people or people on the internet who have like you said before
• 1:09:52
  education influence the people that you're around make it way easier and it always has been
• 1:09:59
  very easy it's been so fucking easy to blame Jews for the weather for high fructose corn syrup for
• 1:10:08
  what when nothing is going well in your life it's becoming so easy so easy that in 90 minutes after
• 1:10:14
  Charlie Kirk gets assassinated the same people who have been you can go and do your due diligence
• 1:10:20
  and see if yourself the same people a lot of the same people should I say screaming death to Israel
• 1:10:27
  and death to America for almost two years are the same ones who immediately it was the Jews
• 1:10:35
  in it was Israel there you know I always like to say and this is why I say I have no pushback for you
• 1:10:40
  because the way I look at the situation that Israel has been in when it comes to a PR standpoint is
• 1:10:49
  from the tweet or the post that they want to post to the mission that they have to go on in the
• 1:10:55
  Middle East to the article that they have to write every decision that Israel makes today is a
• 1:11:01
  lose lose it is just a matter of weighing how much do you want to lose today do you want to lose a lot
• 1:11:08
  do you want to lose a lot by going into Qatar less than a week ago eliminating leaders of Hamas who
• 1:11:14
  from our timeline our perspective my understanding of living in Israel is a massive win
• 1:11:22
  from the perspective of those who are screaming death to Israel is another terrorist move
• 1:11:28
  so you're going to lose knowing that when you eliminate the leaders of this terrorist group
• 1:11:34
  lots of people are just going to point the finger and say you're slaughtering people here you know
• 1:11:38
  it's always it's always a lose but how do we get to the point where killing a terrorist is not a good
• 1:11:46
  thing not just current Hamas but now you have it was a while ago but people were empathizing
• 1:11:54
  with Osama bin Laden like excuse me but what the actual fuck has happened
• 1:12:02
  because when I went to school and I went to university
• 1:12:06
  like yeah maybe maybe they weren't a hardcore right wing but like terrorists were terrorists
• 1:12:17
  and like when you kill innocent people that's always killing innocent people I just don't understand
• 1:12:22
  how we shifted so much and I've and nobody can really explain that to me like at what point
• 1:12:28
  even if you say that higher education in Ivy League is too liberal at what point did a teacher
• 1:12:34
  start to sort of spew this bullshit that was not part of my higher education let me give you an
• 1:12:40
  example I'm not going to be able to give you the full answer for two reasons one I don't have it
• 1:12:48
  and in two like I don't think it's only related to one thing in 2016 I have a friend in Israel
• 1:12:58
  who was studying at Berkeley this is 2016 okay this is nine years ago she told me when she was
• 1:13:04
  taking classes at Berkeley in Cali nine years ago one of the professors was already trying to tell
• 1:13:12
  students that Israel in the Jews are the reason we have destruction in the Middle East is the reason
• 1:13:22
  why we have like a Palestinian cause to fight for this is 2016 now if you look deeply like we
• 1:13:28
  have already uncovered evidence of Qatar over a very long period of time we're talking 20 plus years
• 1:13:36
  shuffling if not billions hundreds of millions of dollars directly into these liberal arts
• 1:13:41
  universities so I think one thing to keep in mind is just first off is education like when you
• 1:13:48
  have somebody who's on the joystick who's controlling what book is on the shelf in the library
• 1:13:54
  and what curriculum is being taught to the student um especially at far left leaning or or
• 1:14:00
  those schools it's inevitably it's going to have a very big impact when the flood gates open
• 1:14:06
  and now it's that time for that student to feel like oh it's my time to speak up because I've
• 1:14:09
  been learning about this because we've been talking about this because we've been hanging out about
• 1:14:13
  what better time when a college student has mom and dad's credit card and they have no real
• 1:14:19
  responsibilities besides make sure to get in class on time party on the weekend like you know bills
• 1:14:24
  are low maybe they're working at a bar off campus for for some income and it's like let's go to
• 1:14:29
  the street I mean like we we've seen college age kids that's when they they're on a high like they
• 1:14:36
  feel like they're and so it's actually perfect the the guitar propaganda theory is perfect
• 1:14:42
  for that and so I'm not saying that's the only answer it's not the only answer and by the way
• 1:14:47
  I don't have it you say no one's been able to explain it to you I don't I don't think there's
• 1:14:53
  there's one way to unpack it but I do think a lot of it has to do with
• 1:14:56
  look October 7th was was something that was planned from an educational standpoint it needed
• 1:15:09
  to be implemented educationally for it to do what it's done the past two years and for us to
• 1:15:14
  have this conversation right now it needed to have been planned over a couple decades ago because
• 1:15:19
  to pull this off you need to deeply seep into the minds of the next generation which this is
• 1:15:27
  where by the way I would say it's hard for me to have any pushback a lot of the college students
• 1:15:32
  who are now doing what we're seeing even the ones who are basically blaming Israel and Jews
• 1:15:37
  for killing Charlie Kirk these are future leaders of politics and these are future leaders of foreign
• 1:15:44
  policy and these are I know that's scary scares me a lot it's also one of the reasons why I left
• 1:15:50
  America I just like don't find it here very comfortable not just because I'm a Jew I didn't leave
• 1:15:55
  because of anti-semitism but that that to me is is it's it's easy it's easy also to when you're at
• 1:16:04
  school and the opinion of most of your classmates who are taking your class with you were a professor
• 1:16:10
  whatever whatever was just talking to you about why like oh now I understand like that Israel
• 1:16:16
  really does operate an open air prison over there I'm not gonna go that I don't need to go there
• 1:16:20
  but like that's my professor that's their profession obviously the school audited this person
• 1:16:26
  to get to hire them why would I fact check this that's my professor I didn't fact check my professors
• 1:16:32
  I don't know about you I didn't always fact check my professors in marketing class in math class
• 1:16:36
  like you know I didn't we're not taught to do that we're not taught to think beyond that um
• 1:16:44
  that's my theory by the way it's like one of my theories as to why I think it's been so easy for
• 1:16:48
  people to to do that I'm curious what is the prevailing point that somebody leads with when they
• 1:16:58
  walk up to you and ask and and want to speak to you about Zionism like what is the thing that they
• 1:17:03
  think Israel has done that is so horrific because they throw the word genocide around a lot
• 1:17:11
  and you you also said you're the first person to call Israel out when they don't do something right
• 1:17:17
  so I'm curious and you can be as scientific or data driven as as you'd like to be
• 1:17:25
  since October 7th let's just deal with recent history what has Israel done what have they not
• 1:17:30
  done what is the common belief about what they have done when you speak to these people
• 1:17:37
  the g-word comes up a lot genocide genocide comes up a lot because
• 1:17:45
  the war that is unfolding right now is the first time nine year olds with a wi-fi connection
• 1:17:56
  can stream it for free they can open their phones they can open TikTok and they can watch live
• 1:18:05
  war unfold this has never happened before when a 9 10 11 16 year old somewhere in the world
• 1:18:15
  gets to stream this with repulsive amounts of content repulsive like it is everywhere everywhere
• 1:18:25
  direction it's going to build a theory it's going to build a thought it's going to it's going to
• 1:18:33
  convince you that there is absolutely a genocide happening one of the main things that comes up now
• 1:18:44
  and I would say this is this has been the same early on in the war and now it's still today
• 1:18:49
  when somebody shows you a video of a girl who is stuck under a building or a picture of a body
• 1:18:57
  bag of somebody that got killed or a woman or a child what are you going to say to that like
• 1:19:06
  you've you've you've immediately what you see the picture you know you'd say like why is Israel
• 1:19:12
  killing in a sense of villains they they say oh they're not committing genocide you know this is
• 1:19:17
  where a lot of the um I don't want to hear what your opinion is I want to see if your opinion is
• 1:19:23
  in line with mine that's typically how these that conversation would go because here I am support the
• 1:19:30
  Israeli who lives in Israel whose friends are in the idea who has actually spent time on the border
• 1:19:34
  here I am trying to explain that what they're seeing with their eyes isn't this thing called genocide
• 1:19:41
  now I think I'm gonna give you date we're gonna get to the number like the date in a second to help
• 1:19:47
  unpack this because this this is the answer to your question I think that when we use the words
• 1:19:54
  genocide in apartheid right now we are completely taking away from the some of the worst horrific
• 1:20:03
  things in humanity such as the real genocides in real apartheid that have happened in the world
• 1:20:09
  are still happening and are still happy yeah by the way I was in South Africa I went to the
• 1:20:13
  apartheid museum I went around the country like I saw the cell where like Muhammad Gandhi and Nelson
• 1:20:18
  Mandela were in I saw what apartheid looked like in South Africa and I live in Israel I live my taxi
• 1:20:25
  drivers are Muslim in Arab my bus drivers are Muslim Arab like my friends Realtor is in Arab like I
• 1:20:32
  know this because I live there it's really hard to open up a conversation with somebody who is
• 1:20:40
  emotionally driven by what they're seeing before I explain to you the conversation that I have to
• 1:20:48
  have what I started saying very early on in this war when I started talking about this publicly is
• 1:20:53
  we have some people aren't gonna like this overly emotional and underly informed people
• 1:21:02
  you are driven by emotion the news the feed the blood the war and the violence and like I told
• 1:21:08
  you it is the first time and remind me if we've had another one where you and I in this in 10 seconds
• 1:21:14
  can get war for free and watch this all day it's clearly gonna drive an overly emotional state
• 1:21:22
  now the information around why that is happening isn't being surfaced and also those who are
• 1:21:31
  overly emotional don't care about the information and this is exactly where my job gets very difficult
• 1:21:37
  because it doesn't matter and you can notice that like since we've been on this conversation
• 1:21:42
  I haven't been debunking the genocide claim I haven't been debunking the apartheid or the all this
• 1:21:48
  stuff a lot of them don't want to listen to it they don't care because a lot of people have
• 1:21:55
  already tuned out because I'm a Jew and I'm Israeli and I'm a Zionist so that's to begin with
• 1:22:01
  but a lot of them don't want to hear any rational reason for why this genocide thing maybe
• 1:22:07
  isn't a genocide there are people who will be willing to listen
• 1:22:18
  a because I didn't serve in the idea which I find fascinating and b because I live in Israel
• 1:22:27
  since the beginning of the war it has been reported that roughly in the numbers
• 1:22:33
  have fluctuated but roughly 60,000 people have been killed by the IDF there's a few things to
• 1:22:39
  take into account before I break this down number one included in that number are members of
• 1:22:46
  Hamas there is no differentiation between civilians and Hamas when this number is being reported
• 1:22:52
  to the general public which is being reported to by the Gaza Health Ministry which that first video
• 1:22:59
  that I made in November 2023 was a manager in the hospital who was an undercover hospital clerk
• 1:23:08
  working for Hamas inside of a hospital inside of Hanunis so Hamas is embedded in hospitals
• 1:23:16
  and they are embedded in the personnel giving information to the public about the war it's like
• 1:23:23
  really important now you know what for the sake of the conversation we'll we'll say it's 60,000
• 1:23:30
  people making me assumption that there's no lying about that number sure making the assumption
• 1:23:36
  according to Israel's estimates 25 to 30,000 of them have been members of Hamas let's meet in the
• 1:23:43
  middle let's meet in the middle because they're not willing to say that the 60,000 is an accurate
• 1:23:48
  and I'm and and they're not going to believe me that when I say yeah but Hamas members are part of
• 1:23:54
  that 30,000 people the population of the Gaza Strip is over two million the population of the
• 1:24:05
  Gaza Strip in 1948 was 80,000 people the population of Jews living across the Middle East in 1948
• 1:24:15
  was around one million between 1948 and 2025 the population of the Gaza Strip has gone
• 1:24:23
  from 80,000 people to 2.1 million people the population of the Jews living in the Middle East
• 1:24:30
  between 1948 and 2025 has gone from one million to estimates between five and 10,000
• 1:24:37
  to tell me that there's genocidal intent by the IDF to snipe day in and day out people because
• 1:24:50
  they can when 30,000 people have died at all in a war which is horrible and tragic and every
• 1:25:01
  single one of them is bad all of them are bad kids are bad women are bad it's it's it's really hard
• 1:25:07
  to watch it to be honest with you genocidal intent is not clear in Israel's efforts in waging
• 1:25:14
  this war when they take all of the measures and I can go into them and in list them off but I
• 1:25:20
  noticed that when people list them off people are already tuned out my friends who show me videos
• 1:25:26
  of escorting gozans through humanitarian corridors on their iPhones showing me videos escorting
• 1:25:33
  moving them getting them out of the way of when the war is happening so that they don't die
• 1:25:39
  units in the army who study Arabic to be able to make phone calls to Palestinians to call them on
• 1:25:44
  the phone by areas of streets to tell them there is a military target where you are we need you to
• 1:25:51
  leave the videos of the pamphlets dropping those are real pamphlets it's not stahm it's not fake
• 1:25:58
  the real pamphlets drones going above a building in Arabic 60 minutes before
• 1:26:04
  a drone comes to take out a military target telling the people in the building to leave
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  these are not the actions of a group of people whose intention it is is to slaughter
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  people in the early 2000s in Sudan in Darfur got slaughtered by the masses by radical militia groups
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  Syria Lebanon currently happening in Syria the al-await Christian community the Jerusalem community
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  in southern in southern Syria northern Israel getting slaughtered as you and I are having this
• 1:26:44
  having this conversation right now like intent to kill no phone calls are being made no pamphlets
• 1:26:50
  are being dropped no humanitarian corridors are being opened no army who wants to commit this genocide
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  seems to me like it's the right thing to do is to tell the people that they want to go get
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  commit genocide to that we're coming the numbers don't reflect the genocide on intent
• 1:27:08
  the proof that I've seen from the people who are apparently committing this genocide do not show
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  genocidal intent am I sitting here defending every soldier in the IDF every action that has been
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  taken absolutely not no way no way anybody who chooses has chosen to just indiscriminately kill
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  I condemn IDF soldiers or videos of them peeing on dead bodies or like making fun of like any
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  wardrobe or you know gauze in like whatever I condemn Israelis getting on you know Ome TV
• 1:27:47
  and finding out that the person they're speaking to is anti-Israel and then spitting on the camera
• 1:27:51
  and saying like your mother and all that stuff I condemn condemn it because I'm a human I'm willing
• 1:27:57
  and able to condemn that as somebody who stands here firmly in defends Israel the so I'm I'd
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  mention all that to you because since the seventh of October and sitting with you now in front of
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  this chair finding a way to have dialogue when somebody goes into a conversation after having
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  seen real after real after real of all of the destruction of a war you get to choose your location
• 1:28:26
  of the war you get to choose the time of the war you get to choose where in the war you get to
• 1:28:30
  choose the content creator who's filming the war you get to filter by category which part of the war
• 1:28:36
  you want to watch that's like so I'm not I'm not sure Barack has the answer for that um
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  especially when I come on and I try to lead with
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  understanding more about the person I'm speaking with I'll never forget and then I want to hear
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  you chime in but like when I went to the capital there were four of us we had no security
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  the group that I was with were wearing one had a shirt that had like an Israeli flag on it
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  one was carrying an Israeli flag one had a piece from his army uniform and I didn't and instead
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  of the army I didn't want to carry a flag I was wearing a cut off Nike t-shirt with converse shoes
• 1:29:25
  the same ones I'm wearing here and the reason I did that is because when I was going to go
• 1:29:30
  interact with people who are radically against where I am in this conflict I wanted them to see
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  that I was just like a normal dude I wasn't coming in there like antagonizing within Israeli flag
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  and I'll never forget there's a picture I'll send it to you maybe you can throw it up this kid
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  came up to me his head is wrapped in a kefir and we had an hour-long conversation in the middle
• 1:29:54
  of the street near the capital it was it was mayhem there's four of us and we had an hour-long
• 1:30:01
  conversation back and forth back and forth back and forth and at the end of the conversation he
• 1:30:05
  looked at me and he's like you are the first and only Israeli that I've ever respected since I've
• 1:30:11
  been a human and he shook my hand and he was he was emotionally driven by all the different
• 1:30:19
  things that I just told you about and he showed it to me he's showing it to me and I'm sitting
• 1:30:23
  there like what am I gonna say this kid right like at the same time I'll pull up footage of body
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  cam footage from Hamas after what they did on October 7th my friend was one of them but they're
• 1:30:34
  already like yeah but you know that it didn't happen in a bubble wasn't it wasn't it didn't
• 1:30:40
  happen in a vacuum like this has been happening for a long time but because I didn't choose to
• 1:30:47
  antagonize him because I didn't try to make it us versus them me versus you because this kid
• 1:30:56
  radically disagrees with me on most things and I radically disagree with him sorry it's like calling
• 1:31:00
  a spade a spade we just don't agree with on this whole thing but when he said that to me
• 1:31:04
  I realized that leading with first of all I asked him like his name or he's from
• 1:31:14
  things that he does to just try and like gets you have to find a little bit of common ground if
• 1:31:18
  you want to talk about this stuff a little bit we weren't there to have tea and sip tea and cookies
• 1:31:23
  but we were there to just like try and see if we could have a civil conversation I was the only one
• 1:31:28
  during that delegation that was able to find a space to be able to talk to people and I'm the only
• 1:31:33
  one that didn't serve in the IDF and the only one that like didn't didn't have that that narrative
• 1:31:40
  from like being in the in the schtachin we say in the territories so it's really interesting
• 1:31:45
  because in the beginning we spoke about this earlier I thought that was going to be a massive
• 1:31:49
  liability and it turns out it's a huge plus from it's a huge plus for me to be able to find that
• 1:31:54
  common ground because IDF isn't even IDF in America it's IOF it's Israeli occupation forces
• 1:32:00
  so is that what that's what they call it um I didn't know that yeah so if you're part of the
• 1:32:04
  IOF you're irrelevant to humanity so you you discount their perspective just because of what they
• 1:32:12
  what they symbolize who like somebody who is very pro Palestine you discount the perspective
• 1:32:20
  of somebody that's serving the IDF simply because of what they've done in their life bingo doesn't
• 1:32:24
  matter it doesn't matter if you want a Nobel Peace Prize I'll tell you something that bugs me
• 1:32:28
  about this a lot but regardless this is one thing that bugs me which is hopefully people can
• 1:32:33
  understand and get behind it seems like there's like a a lack of empathy and critical thinking
• 1:32:44
  I don't know why because throughout my entire life if somebody actually brings a compelling point
• 1:32:51
  to me I'll always consider it it could even change my perspective I'll always research it
• 1:32:56
  I'll fact check it it's just critical thinking due diligence like removing a motion from decision
• 1:33:04
  I understand that not everybody in the world is going to be able to do that but I see very
• 1:33:10
  intelligent people who I respect immensely seemingly being driven by emotion in this one part
• 1:33:17
  of their life when the rest of their life I admire their work and I guess I find that confusing
• 1:33:25
  I don't know why this one particular event seems to shut people off cognitively and that's I think
• 1:33:34
  probably the biggest thing I've been trying to wrap my mind around Scooter Ron talked about this
• 1:33:39
  about people not deploying enough empathy to general conflict with people but also like
• 1:33:49
  Israel Palestine because there isn't enough empathy there's actually no empathy
• 1:33:58
  I first of all I want to say that like I'm more of a student at this time in my life as I become
• 1:34:05
  more later on hopefully a teacher when it comes to trying to see things through a lens that I see
• 1:34:13
  possibly be a possibly be a tool to explore what you're saying um whether it's understanding
• 1:34:24
  the mechanism behind anti-semitism understanding possibly how to approach anti-semitism
• 1:34:29
  possibly understanding how to approach creating empathy for dialogue
• 1:34:35
  I asked you before we started I asked you to print off this sheet
• 1:34:40
  I'm gonna explain to you what this sheet is and the what I have in front of me is the map of
• 1:34:47
  consciousness which is essentially like as humans where we operate in the world from a collective
• 1:34:56
  standpoint which I'll show you in a minute and as Scott as Barack as a terrorist as a monk as a
• 1:35:03
  Buddhist for the most part right now in the world that we live in as a collective we live in this
• 1:35:13
  yellow midrange um in some of the different words that describe what this ranges are we're
• 1:35:22
  demanding we have pride we scorn others um a little bit of courage a little bit of affirmation
• 1:35:31
  but not so high on what it means to reach ultimate power and happiness but not at the lowest of the
• 1:35:40
  lows so this is how we go through life this is how we treat people situations this because I'm
• 1:35:47
  looking at the top I'm just gonna read it so it's like God view, life view, level, scale I don't know
• 1:35:52
  what the scale means I guess it's like a high vibration versus a low value thing go yeah like we all
• 1:35:56
  have different fractals that are in front of us 24-7 that are spising is very low vibration energy
• 1:36:01
  emotion process and you're saying that is it like so how you read this chart is it more along the
• 1:36:11
  lines just so I understand um if we hover around this middle yellow tier does that mean that it's
• 1:36:19
  very likely that if we are indifferent for example we're also demanding and we also have high pride
• 1:36:26
  or like is somebody's when somebody sort of looks at themselves can they be wise but also be
• 1:36:35
  scornful or is that unlikely of course you yeah so like you can be all over the chart
• 1:36:40
  it depending on which category you're in sure it also has to do with you personally in your
• 1:36:45
  experiences as a so like for example like a monk and a Buddhist are gonna live up here across the
• 1:36:51
  board basically pretty much because they've also done the extreme version of self work what does
• 1:36:57
  this work come from the this is from typically well first of all in Kabbalah we well in Kabbalah you
• 1:37:06
  have the study of the Zohar like this in everything and so this this comes from like understanding energy
• 1:37:12
  levels in consciousness um so real quick just like in Judaism actually like in astrology your
• 1:37:20
  astrological chart the work that is done for each individual to understand who they are
• 1:37:26
  their experiences their traumas and what is what is contributing to why they are doing what they
• 1:37:32
  do and who they are for example a Buddhist and a monk who sit on a mountain or a rock and pure
• 1:37:38
  silence for hours and hours and hours and aren't on the internet anything they're getting to the
• 1:37:42
  that's like extreme okay I would say anti-Semitism racism and terrorism live at this bottom end
• 1:37:50
  okay now as a collective we aren't going to be able as a collective I say like collective is in
• 1:37:58
  people in the world we have a you as Scott you have your own map of consciousness and you have your
• 1:38:05
  own energy levels and the frequencies that you operate on and the fractals that you're distributing
• 1:38:09
  to the world and the what you put out to the world and what it's gonna give back to you I also do
• 1:38:14
  every single person does and there's a bajillion factors that contribute to that
• 1:38:19
  all of our individual frequencies contribute to the greater frequency of the world which is
• 1:38:24
  humanity and where we are and you were saying and we've all been saying that we feel like the world
• 1:38:29
  right now is like shaken up and like everything's going wrong everything's bad there's war there's
• 1:38:33
  conflict our collective consciousness as people in our vibrations are very low it's very very
• 1:38:42
  very low we see it on the internet we see it in person and we see we see an incredible amount
• 1:38:49
  of shame we've seen an incredible amount of blame we saw human beings real human beings blame
• 1:38:57
  Jews within 90 minutes of Charlie Kirk getting assassinated for what happened like we we we are not
• 1:39:03
  we don't have empathy anymore the the reason I brought this up is because we lack empathy um
• 1:39:08
  it's also because we don't have teachers at the rate and scale that we need to be able to
• 1:39:17
  teach human beings more about energy levels of consciousness and how we as individuals elevate
• 1:39:25
  ourselves to shift and change the collective around the world to have a higher frequency I know
• 1:39:33
  that this sounds a little bit like um off-grid voodoo kuku or whatever but I'm going to give you two
• 1:39:41
  stories and I'm going to tell you right now that shook me and made me understand the importance of
• 1:39:48
  learning about energy which leads to learning about empathy which leads to being able to have
• 1:39:54
  these conversations when empathy is most needed when we're talking about world conflict the same
• 1:39:59
  empathy or critical thinking that you said you were able to deploy with your counterparts when
• 1:40:03
  you were a college student that we've completely abandoned that's what doesn't make sense to me
• 1:40:08
  why it's gone yeah I was in Los Angeles 2024 in September scooter brawn saw my work followed me
• 1:40:18
  we became pen pals kind of like how you and I became pen pals and he invited me out to the LA
• 1:40:24
  nova exhibition where he put the exhibition on display they brought in so that the nova exhibition
• 1:40:32
  for those who are watching listening they took cars tense things that they could find from
• 1:40:40
  the nova festival in kibuts berri from the morning of october 7th where there was a music festival
• 1:40:45
  happening where lots of people got murdered and brought daylight by chemo's terrace and they brought
• 1:40:51
  a lot of the items they cargo ship them to the states and they've been around cities are on the
• 1:40:55
  states now trying to show people what happened at this music festival it's not affiliated by any
• 1:41:00
  political means that there's actually seen no Israeli flag when you walk in there like it's not
• 1:41:04
  about that it's about what happened at a music festival with people like it reminds me of the holocaust
• 1:41:12
  memorial at ashwitz where you see all the shoes the similar they actually have a table that I filmed
• 1:41:18
  there which are the items that were found that were not identified so when people come to the
• 1:41:23
  exhibition they have a table there that family members who might actually have a piece of item that
• 1:41:28
  was from their son of their daughter they can claim it as long as they can prove it that was their
• 1:41:32
  son of their daughters so there is actually a table there that they have that sort of reminds you of
• 1:41:37
  that um they brought in at the nova exhibition a raky master for those of you who don't know what
• 1:41:47
  regional raky is and not really okay raky raky is a form of energy healing energy transfer
• 1:41:56
  from one human to another or human to pet to heal heal pain heal physical pain heal emotional pain
• 1:42:06
  and my parents actually have both been trained and raky since I was a kid so whenever I'd come
• 1:42:12
  on from high school and have a headache you essentially the way it works is a couple ways but you
• 1:42:15
  can either lay down and the person who's giving you raky can put their hands in the spot that you
• 1:42:24
  have pain above a chakra or even like on your head they can be little to no contact or some soft
• 1:42:30
  contact and very quickly you'll feel their hands heat up and that body part where they're giving
• 1:42:36
  you raky gets gets warm too and that's actually the physical transfer of energy and when I would
• 1:42:41
  have headaches in high school I'd come home I'd lay down put my head in my mom's lap and within 10
• 1:42:46
  minutes the headache was gone every single time every single time we had a dog who was also sick and
• 1:42:51
  she would give him raky too they brought in a raky master to treat the survivors of the nova festival
• 1:42:58
  because one thing raky actually can do is you can extract trauma and stress from another human
• 1:43:05
  being through energy transfer and energy extraction and help somebody through a healing process after
• 1:43:12
  what many of the survivors went through after the 7th of October my last day at the festival at the
• 1:43:19
  at the nova exhibition the her name is Heather she gave me a raky treatment upstairs in her clinic
• 1:43:30
  that she built and in one hour she managed to my entire lower limbs went numb I couldn't film
• 1:43:40
  my lower limbs and I started crying during the treatment and in the middle she started choking
• 1:43:50
  she was literally choking in the middle of the treatment she left the room I came out of my
• 1:43:54
  meditative state and I didn't understand what was happening I was about to get off the bed and
• 1:44:00
  there's music she has a candle it's very like it really gets you into a deep state and I escape
• 1:44:07
  this and right as I was about to get off the table she came back in didn't say anything she finished
• 1:44:11
  the treatment after we spoke the details of my treatment are not so important I'm gonna get to
• 1:44:18
  this in a second but after we spoke she told me when she's giving raky to somebody who has so much
• 1:44:23
  tension and stress built up into their own body um that stress is transferred from the person
• 1:44:29
  she's giving raky to into her body and the stress gets caught in her thyroid and she physically
• 1:44:34
  starts choking because she's taking stress and trauma out of somebody who she's she's healing
• 1:44:41
  and it goes into her so just to give you a practical example of that's what energy transfer can
• 1:44:46
  look and feel like when you're doing it to somebody who has a lot of stress now she was doing this
• 1:44:50
  to people who survived the Nova the festival Israel had survivors sent to America to speak with
• 1:44:57
  people who would go through the exhibition and they would have questions or they'd be in the
• 1:45:02
  healing center they didn't want to speak to people who literally were at the festival on October
• 1:45:06
  7th and survived she this is where this comes in I'm not gonna name her name but
• 1:45:16
  Heather was giving I can say Heather's name she was giving raky to a girl who survived that morning
• 1:45:25
  the girl goes on the table the same room I was in she closes her eyes Heather starts
• 1:45:30
  Heather puts her hands on the girl and within 15 20 minutes Heather closes her eyes and she starts
• 1:45:38
  to have a vision in her head keep in mind Heather is also an astrologist she studied Kabbalan she
• 1:45:46
  converted to Judaism so she's very much tuned into consciousness and energy she closes her eyes
• 1:45:54
  and she's giving raky to this girl and she starts to have a vision she sees a
• 1:46:00
  um religious figure religious looking man with kind of what looks like a cloak this big beard
• 1:46:09
  and he is kind of protecting in a way the girl that she's giving raky to that's the vision
• 1:46:16
  that she had in her head when she was giving raky to this girl she had no context about this girl
• 1:46:20
  aside from the fact that she survived the the festival when the Hamas terrorists came
• 1:46:24
  when she finished the treatment Heather told the girl about this vision that she had when she was
• 1:46:33
  giving her raky the girl looked at Heather and said when we were at the Nova festival and the
• 1:46:44
  Hamas terrorists breached into the site of the party me and like 40 other people were running
• 1:46:50
  and we found a bomb shelter there's actually a very infamous video of a bunch of attendees of
• 1:46:58
  the party in this bomb shelter and you see Hamas terrorists taking grenades and they throw
• 1:47:05
  them in and then they leave they take their gun and they spray it up and then they leave and you
• 1:47:09
  can hear just from the sounds of the video what's going on inside the shelter bodies on top of
• 1:47:13
  bodies people screaming whatever she this girl was in the shelter with her five or six friends
• 1:47:19
  and the other like 30 or 40 people just piled in there while the Hamas terrorists barricaded them in
• 1:47:26
  and when she was inside of the bomb shelter she started saying her great-grandfather's name
• 1:47:35
  out loud over and over and over and over and over to protect her and protect her friends and
• 1:47:43
  that's all she had control over at that point in time she then took like the body of another
• 1:47:48
  person at the festival she put the body on top of her she had no other choice
• 1:47:56
  that girl's great-grandfather is a rabbi was a rabbi from Spain with a long beard who had a
• 1:48:06
  Talit and when she was saying her great-grandfather's name out loud in the bomb shelter he was protecting
• 1:48:14
  her the only six or seven people that survived the bomb shelter that morning were her and her friends
• 1:48:23
  she reached a very high level of consciousness in that moment that girl like reached
• 1:48:30
  she surrendered and she reached a really high level she gave up she chose faith and she chose
• 1:48:38
  love and she chose protection against the lowest possible level of consciousness which are
• 1:48:45
  terrorists which are Hamas terrorists in this case these are the two going at each other that's
• 1:48:51
  what the seventh of October was especially at the Novifestival so the energy that she carried and was
• 1:49:01
  able to transfer for her friends and by the way like when she told that to Heather you know she didn't
• 1:49:06
  have that context but that's the vision that she saw I'll give you one other quick story if you
• 1:49:12
  don't mind this is one of Heather's jobs was to understand the stories behind how these people
• 1:49:18
  survived because it is related to this one girl who was also at the festival I can't I'm not going
• 1:49:26
  to say her name there's a famous video unfortunately I say famous but it's like you can't unsee it
• 1:49:34
  it's all the a lot of the people at the festival sprinting across this open field where you just
• 1:49:40
  see people getting hoes down and sprayed and you hear gunshots they're sprinting they went left
• 1:49:46
  they went right they went everywhere this one girl found in the middle of like not a forest but
• 1:49:54
  she was way far away from the field she found a tree she hid behind the tree for like six hours
• 1:50:01
  by herself at this point probably like going insane talking to herself but at the same time
• 1:50:07
  trying to stay as calm as possible seven hours after standing there she spotted a Hamas terrorist
• 1:50:17
  with a machine a clutch of a gun in her hand who was scanning and then locked eyes with her
• 1:50:24
  and she's next to the tree she's beautiful very beautiful Israeli girl in the middle of the
• 1:50:36
  field on October 7th the Hamas terrorists had injected themselves with they were on another
• 1:50:44
  level the things that they were trying to accomplish to do to people to women to anybody
• 1:50:51
  you can imagine what would happen in that case where here's this girl in the middle of an
• 1:50:54
  open field surrounded by no one beside the Hamas terrorist she locks eyes with him
• 1:51:01
  he sprints to her she takes two steps away from the tree and she just takes a big inhale at this
• 1:51:11
  point he's about 10 to 12 feet away from her he's full on beeline sprint to her and she takes a
• 1:51:18
  massive inhale she exhales and she smiles right at him like a real smile like released
• 1:51:26
  when she's smiled and he gets to 10 feet away he stutters steps and he stopped
• 1:51:33
  and he's confused there's no idea what to do and he slowly slowly back pedals
• 1:51:39
  he sprints and he belines and he leaves and she just stood there
• 1:51:48
  she also survived the 7th of October to like sit here and tell me that this Hamas terrorist
• 1:51:58
  got a phone call heard his name had some other incentive to not do what many of the people know
• 1:52:04
  what he was proceeding what he was going to proceed to do to her when the lowest level of consciousness
• 1:52:12
  possible meets the highest level of consciousness possible love in bliss empathy all of the things that
• 1:52:20
  they achieved a lot of these survivors achieved will always this is why people say love always wins
• 1:52:26
  by Scooter Braun always says empathy always wins and one of the things that Heather's job is to do
• 1:52:34
  is to work with some of the people who did survive and understand how they achieved these levels
• 1:52:39
  of consciousness in a moment where it's probably nearly impossible to do so those two stories are
• 1:52:47
  like several of 50 or 60 that she uncovered from that very dark morning and Heather is actually my
• 1:52:56
  therapist now she's my healer she's my astrologist she's my guide and this whole space of energy
• 1:53:03
  and consciousness is really fascinating to me when I look at it practically when I say practically
• 1:53:10
  I'm talking about people who survived maybe the 7th of October um so that was like you know
• 1:53:20
  I just like unloaded a lot but it all has to do with what you said about empathy and energy and
• 1:53:24
  consciousness and I as I said before I'm more in like the student phase right now where I'm just
• 1:53:34
  trying to offer something that I think I see potentially having a big impact that I'm exploring
• 1:53:41
  but I do think that if we are able to find a way for people to learn how to do the work it needs
• 1:53:49
  on their own to discover what empathy really looks like in their own life to be able to then
• 1:53:53
  deploy it to other people the collective consciousness and how we are as human beings on earth
• 1:54:00
  where it's not just conflict in war in debate in us versus them and antagonizing and that's
• 1:54:05
  basically like the state of the union where we are where I think that is one way we can we can
• 1:54:12
  rise as people it doesn't mean that we're on a planet on utopia where like there's nothing bad there's
• 1:54:16
  there's bad probably will always be bad but we're not in a good place right now and I think that
• 1:54:23
  what we're seeing is the unfolding of all of this by the way as you want to say this um eclipse
• 1:54:30
  season lunar eclipse eclipse season is notorious for pretty bad things to happen
• 1:54:38
  Charlie just got killed and assassinated during an eclipse um we saw not during the eclipse but
• 1:54:45
  it's eclipse season right now you can go and you can look at actual like um uh like tragic things that
• 1:54:51
  have happened in the world look at the astrology look at what was happening in the world at that time
• 1:54:56
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  I take away from this is if if people who achieve like the highest level of consciousness and just
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  sort of belief like those two stories you just told me in the face of like absolute danger and
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  absolute death really is if just coming to peace with who you are as a person and what you believe in
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  and knowing that your time on this earth even if it ends was well spent and you're happy with the
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  life that you've lived and all these different things are just sort of put you at true peace
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  if that can counteract almost guaranteed death then even a fraction of gratitude and forgiveness
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  can counteract like a negative sentiment and I feel like the issue is that people are trying to
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  change another person's perspective whether or not they feel like they're right or wrong it's coming
• 1:58:40
  from a place of low consciousness so even if I am pro-Israel I'm like how can those like like how can
• 1:58:49
  those motherfuckers not understand like it's just like a low vibration right it's like an anger I'm
• 1:58:55
  trying to convince them through anger versus I empathize with who you are and what you've accomplished
• 1:59:02
  and you as a person and your beliefs on one thing are not your beliefs on everything and there's way
• 1:59:08
  more there's way more that we agree on than disagree on but I think that the coming full circle I
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  think that even if you are on one side or the other side you're trying to change someone's mind from
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  like an aggressive yes place yes and it's not working not only is it not working Scott when has
• 1:59:33
  that worked like never never so she has introduced me to this this is by the way also something that
• 1:59:46
  she thinks about when it comes to antisemitism I was going to just mention one more thing I was
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  going to say I would be curious if you doing self work has actually led to more productive conversations
• 2:00:00
  with people you realize I've chose right now you realize what you just said is an embodiment of
• 2:00:07
  who I've been the past four months of my life what you just said is the formula you can't achieve
• 2:00:15
  higher levels of consciousness and you can't achieve excuse me higher levels of vibration if
• 2:00:23
  you don't do the work on your own to understand what it is that I have to work through understand who
• 2:00:31
  you are understand past traumas understand past experiences letting go of ego and there are practical
• 2:00:39
  ways of how you do this by understanding first what energy is doing the inner work to reverse
• 2:00:46
  engineer by the way the beginning of this podcast when I told you about six seven and eight years old
• 2:00:50
  living in Israel the beginning of inner work begins with the beginning of understanding first the
• 2:00:56
  snapshot of time of who you are when you were born what's your needle chart what it's what is the
• 2:01:00
  world look like when you were born if you look at astrology by the way and you you're going to have
• 2:01:06
  people who are going to comment and say like astrology is not rational it's not practical
• 2:01:13
  and that's fine and I'm not here like preaching astrology it's not let's not why I'm in this room
• 2:01:17
  with you what I am going to say is if you understand how to increase your frequency of a human as a
• 2:01:28
  human being which has a direct effect on the person you speak with at the market the person you
• 2:01:35
  debate with on x and the the vote that you cast for why you why or why not you agree with something
• 2:01:41
  that could be very polarizing it shifts it shifts the vibrations that we have no one teaches this
• 2:01:51
  no one is teaching energy no one is teaching inner work I'm going to um
• 2:01:56
  reference scooter again just because he has actually talked about a lot lately his evolution
• 2:02:04
  of doing this like doing inner work like doing the really hard digging into one's own life
• 2:02:11
  scooter also has an extremely public platform so a lot of people have access to his life but
• 2:02:17
  doing a lot of the digging that is required to raise what you just said and so the reason I got
• 2:02:22
  chills is because I'm actually doing that right now most people don't do that this is why you have
• 2:02:30
  it's called like the midlife crisis something crazy happens um and you have like a moment of life
• 2:02:39
  like what even at what do I do and this could be a divorce it could be a breakup this could be
• 2:02:43
  something tragic whatever it is you lost your job that's actually when a lot of people maybe begin
• 2:02:48
  to think about doing therapy or work on themselves just imagine what would happen in a world where
• 2:02:56
  this is taught as a teen empathy empathy this the last 20 30 minutes go back to what you
• 2:03:04
  said before which I think is I would argue one of the more important things that like we could ever
• 2:03:08
  talk about which is this idea of empathy lack thereof that exists today um so how do you by the way
• 2:03:16
  the formula for injecting empathy into social media is one that I'm probably not on earth to be
• 2:03:21
  able to crack because that that seems nearly impossible how do you inject empathy into the um
• 2:03:27
  town hall of X you know like no I don't know I don't know given everything that we discussed
• 2:03:34
  from me personally growing up with basketball splitting my life and my time between Israel and the
• 2:03:42
  States trying to find myself a little bit where I am now today on this like grassroots mission
• 2:03:49
  there is one other thing that I want to talk about and actually involve something I brought here
• 2:03:55
  if we have a moment um I I live in Israel and like it would be hard for me to talk about places in
• 2:04:08
  the world or a place in the world to the depth that I do if I didn't live there or have never been
• 2:04:16
  for example I just came back from a trip from Spain Morocco in South Africa I spent a lot of
• 2:04:20
  time in South Africa I went across the entire country from Johannesburg to Kruger I went through
• 2:04:25
  the Kuru desert region all the way down to south the southern part of South Africa through the
• 2:04:30
  garden route up to Cape Town by myself with a car in about a month I met with people in urban
• 2:04:36
  places suburban places today I'm not an expert on South Africa I don't know everything about the
• 2:04:43
  country I feel comfortable talking about some of the landscape there because I took my two
• 2:04:48
  fucking feet and I went there and I went to go interact this is where I see the line that needs to
• 2:04:55
  be drawn when I speak to people who really talk firmly about their conviction of Israel their
• 2:05:07
  that their stance is rooted in such truth without actually haven't not having been there
• 2:05:17
  um there's a very there's a clip between Douglas Murray and Dave Smith speaking to each other on
• 2:05:27
  Joe Rogan about month or two ago Joe Rogan brought both of them in to talk about Israel
• 2:05:34
  Dave Smith is for the most part not supportive of Israel's actions the IDF in the current state
• 2:05:42
  of the Union Douglas Murray non-Jew from the UK very much a leader in the space author a leader
• 2:05:51
  advocate for Israel um who has been to Gaza, Hanyunis Israel several times since the beginning of
• 2:05:59
  the war he also quickly after things began with Russia and Ukraine he's a journalist he's a writer
• 2:06:07
  he went into Ukraine into Kiev like he went to go see it for himself so that when he speaks and when
• 2:06:11
  he writes about it he's coming from a place of and there's a very um uh replayed clip between
• 2:06:18
  Dave and Joe that's our Dave and uh Douglas on Joe Rogan where Douglas asked him
• 2:06:24
  almost the last time like you were in the region in Middle East and Dave said I've never been
• 2:06:30
  and Douglas was like you've never been and it was like five or six seconds of a silent pause
• 2:06:38
  and then Dave was like oh what because they've never been then you're going to say I don't have
• 2:06:42
  the authority to talk about it what you've never been to Nazi Germany yet you talk about it and
• 2:06:46
  Douglas was like no you can't time travel but you can travel and I think that there's a lot of
• 2:06:54
  merit to that he got obviously because of the core of Joe's audience and the fact that Dave as
• 2:07:04
  Douglas has an unpopular opinion for Joe's audience that he's there to defend Israel
• 2:07:08
  um I think I feel the same way I feel the same way when 99.9% of the people that I'm interacting with
• 2:07:20
  are deeply rooted into a narrative that is not based on
• 2:07:26
  personal experience being able to justify the things that they're claiming it's not just
• 2:07:31
  the war is bad you can claim the war is bad but when you say that my friends who are currently now
• 2:07:38
  there at 130 a.m. as you are sitting here in Miami in Gaza to say that my friends are committing a
• 2:07:45
  genocide like that's where I'm going to draw the line right and that's what Douglas's point was
• 2:07:50
  was like Dave repeatedly publicly always talks about this genocide Israel's committing
• 2:07:55
  and he hasn't even been there so when we talk about being boots on the ground I um I have with me
• 2:08:07
  uh a piece of um rocket shrapnel that I found with my own two hands here uh in Israel
• 2:08:20
  I'm going to give this to you in a second Scott but the reason that I brought this and that I
• 2:08:23
  bringing this around uh when I was in northern Israel about six months ago I went to a city called
• 2:08:30
  Matula which if you look on the map of Israel it's the furthest northern city in Israel it's on
• 2:08:36
  the border of Lebanon on the border of Syria you can see it from like it's very high up in the
• 2:08:40
  mountains you can see Lebanon you can see Syria you can see the border fence you could throw a
• 2:08:45
  baseball as hard as you can to Syrians that would be on the other side if they were allowed down
• 2:08:50
  there um now obviously because of the way they can't that's how close this city is to the north
• 2:08:56
  after the 7th of october khazbullah which is a completely different proxy within the middle east
• 2:09:03
  who has repeatedly been trying to destroy Israel they started firing rockets their missile
• 2:09:10
  capabilities and uh uh technology that they have are far deeper than what Khamas has Khazbullah
• 2:09:18
  has had rockets that could precision missiles that could reach a specific building like mine in
• 2:09:24
  Tel Aviv so they started firing and Matula got just absolutely eradicated hundreds of thousands of
• 2:09:32
  Israeli citizens had to evacuate and leave their homes in the north they got relocated across the
• 2:09:37
  country because of how close they were in perimeter um to to the to the north when they started firing
• 2:09:43
  um in Israel we have a system that when there's a rocket that has been um
• 2:09:49
  um fired from an enemy whether it's Yemen whether it's Khamas in the Gaza Strip whether it's
• 2:09:57
  khazbullah in Lebanon whether it's Iran we have a system uh a technology technological system that
• 2:10:04
  actually alerts citizens of the rocket so we have when you are on an Israeli SIM card or I think at
• 2:10:11
  this point any SIM card because the cellular towers have your location if the rocket is projected to
• 2:10:16
  come to where you are geographically in the country you get an alert depending on where your city is
• 2:10:21
  in the country that's the specific amount of time that you have allotted to get to a safe space
• 2:10:26
  before the rocket could penetrate where you are I live in Tel Aviv so if a rocket is fired from
• 2:10:33
  the Gaza Strip towards my area when I receive the alert it when my phone it's called the red alert
• 2:10:39
  app or home front command when you receive it I am allotted 90 seconds to get to a shelter
• 2:10:46
  because I'm about 69 70 kilometers away from the Gaza Strip just to put into perspective 90 seconds
• 2:10:53
  is a lot of time 90 seconds is enough time to be in the shower get the alert this is I'm speaking
• 2:10:58
  to personal experience get the alert turn off the water grab your towel go downstairs to the bomb
• 2:11:04
  shelter and be downstairs with your residents and your neighbors it's a lot of time in speaking in
• 2:11:08
  Israel time communities in southern Israel like Sederot in Beri in Tivassara in Nakhal Oz
• 2:11:16
  these villages when a rocket is fired from Gaza they have about 15 to 17 seconds so if you're in
• 2:11:24
  the shower or if you are a mother or father of three kids at three I am when you have to in 15
• 2:11:33
  seconds not 90 get your three children make sure that they're awake get them out being the
• 2:11:38
  safer because of the border you well you can't you can't that's the point the point is is that
• 2:11:45
  what is 15 seconds when you're when you have three kids
• 2:11:50
  Matula is so close to Lebanon that they don't have a system that gives you there's no such thing
• 2:11:59
  as time to go to the shelter so when you're in Matula and maybe you can clip like pictures but
• 2:12:04
  I actually have some for when I was there you can see if you have a set of binoculars or if you
• 2:12:09
  really look specifically you can actually see some of the compounds where chasbola sits
• 2:12:14
  that's how close they are so when the siren goes off and it's a sound that every Israeli knows
• 2:12:20
  in Matula you can't really do much you just pray because you can go to a shelter but by the time
• 2:12:27
  you take the steps to get there the rocket fell somewhere so that was the that that it's being
• 2:12:34
  reconstructed but that's what Matula was when I went there six months ago now on our way out
• 2:12:44
  we stopped at this basketball court that's out it's an outdoor basketball court it's caged
• 2:12:50
  on the top of Matula you look behind the court you see Lebanon you see Syria and this outdoor court
• 2:13:00
  and when I went there it was we had to get some permission to go and see the destruction
• 2:13:06
  in me with some of the families some of them actually refused to leave they're like no listen my
• 2:13:09
  home will not go anywhere for rocket hits or rockets hits and when I went to the basketball court
• 2:13:15
  that it was covered with rocket shrapnel because the the IDF and the government they hadn't had
• 2:13:22
  gone then gone there yet they had gone there to clean up they hadn't gone there because there's
• 2:13:26
  so many houses that need to be rebuilt there's so many things have to be done so you just see shrapnel
• 2:13:31
  laying around this was the biggest piece of shrapnel that I found I'm gonna give it to you in a second
• 2:13:36
  the reason this piece is really important for me is because for the people that made it this far
• 2:13:43
  on the podcast that's amazing and for the people that tuned out in the first three minutes when
• 2:13:48
  they saw that here's some guy talking about the i word israel the piece that they don't understand
• 2:13:56
  is the the threat the constant threat 1 a.m. or 1 p.m. summer or winter fall it doesn't matter
• 2:14:06
  the constant threat that israel is under from basically every front besides its western front
• 2:14:14
  because that's just the Mediterranean Sea is this this in my hand is supposed to free Palestine
• 2:14:24
  and this in my hand is supposed to rid the region of dirty Zionists who are the same
• 2:14:31
  five six and seven eight year old children in matula who after school want to get some shots up or
• 2:14:39
  play four square or shoot the same way I was when I was a middle school student at recess getting
• 2:14:43
  shots up at the water towel middle school I'd I would play at these kids don't have 40 seconds 20
• 2:14:52
  seconds to run into a shelter when they look across the hill and see chasbola firing visit them
• 2:14:59
  this is the size of my palm I'm going to give it to you once you take that you can see
• 2:15:06
  how dense and how heavy it is from the size of just the palm and now to give you some perspective
• 2:15:12
  the pipes and the size of these okay is from the length of the room that we're sitting in one rocket
• 2:15:20
  is about twice the size of the length from this wall to this wall yes so that is the size of my palm
• 2:15:28
  which it's it's heavy it's very very dense yeah but this alone this tiny fragment could kill
• 2:15:35
  somebody that tiny fragment has killed somebody like that's that's what we live under that is
• 2:15:44
  every single time I get a comment that says free Palestine every single time I get demonized
• 2:15:53
  as an Israeli and people get permission to other people to say oh Barack that Zionist he's also
• 2:16:00
  worthy of being cleansed from the river to the sea what you're holding is from the river to the
• 2:16:07
  sea what you're holding is globalized the intifada and what you're holding is death to Israel
• 2:16:14
  and death to America and death to Jews and death to Christians and death to ethnic minorities that's
• 2:16:21
  that's what you're holding the six seven and eight-year-old children who play basketball at that court
• 2:16:28
  that's what's coming for them and and this is this is that didn't buy this off of Etsy or eBay
• 2:16:36
  fucking pick that up with my own two hands and I bring this around um to show people
• 2:16:42
  I want to Canada I think you'll appreciate this I went to Canada last year
• 2:16:47
  and I spoke at a Hebrew academy 50 day school orthodox Jewish students and I told the academy
• 2:16:53
  please bring in a non-Jewish group of basketball players so that I can merge the two into a gym
• 2:16:59
  together and talk to them about Israel this is actually how I do advocacy because I have a
• 2:17:04
  strength and conditioning background in Israel training Makabi Tel Aviv Nessyona a lot of high
• 2:17:08
  caliber players I look at basketball as a tool to open up a safe space to then talk about Israel
• 2:17:14
  so what I'll do is I'll do like 45-minute strength conditioning sessions with people I won't
• 2:17:18
  even really mention Israel and once I create that rapport between like player and coach they
• 2:17:24
  see me as this mentor then I sit with them on the the floor on the at half court in a big circle
• 2:17:31
  I talked to him about Israel and I bring this with me and I pass it around and when I did a clinic
• 2:17:36
  at the Hebrew Academy they brought in a basketball team called Liberty for Youth
• 2:17:41
  so about 10 kids in their teens who have all been arrested before police brutality gun violence
• 2:17:47
  all non-Jews not really none of them had really ever met a Jew before and they've never met in
• 2:17:52
  Israeli so here was their first time coming into a Jewish academy I told the academy bring them
• 2:17:58
  I made those players on that team be the captain of all the teams that I made with the academy so
• 2:18:03
  that I could integrate them and make them feel safe and then we sat in a big semicircle and I talked
• 2:18:08
  to him about Israel and I passed that around you should have seen the faces of the players
• 2:18:14
  when that piece of shrapnel reached them the players were speechless when they realized that the kids
• 2:18:22
  that they were looking at in that gym who were just a few years older than the same ones who
• 2:18:26
  played at that basketball court that this is what they're running away from and this is in their
• 2:18:32
  backyard and after the clinic the coach came up to me and was like as a result of your visit today
• 2:18:39
  and you speaking and bringing pieces from this conflict to us you've completely shifted our
• 2:18:45
  perspective on the conflict that's I think the power in what Douglas was saying to Dave Smith
• 2:18:54
  which is like do you know what a six-year-olds life is like in Israel?
• 2:19:01
  Do you know what a concentration camp was in Auschwitz and what the Gaza Strip is?
• 2:19:07
  because these are the things that people say Gaza Strip is a concentration camp
• 2:19:11
  Israel's genociding people we can go out all these claims and there's never opportunity for people
• 2:19:18
  to hold, feel, touch, tangible proof of this isn't just October 7th that this is the constant
• 2:19:27
  threat of the state of Israel that they're under which is never in conversations for people to
• 2:19:35
  contextualize actually what is the date of the day I could pull out my phone right now and show
• 2:19:40
  the camera the app that I get that we get you know if I was sitting with you on this pod it's
• 2:19:45
  happened before I've been on podcasts and my watch will go off because I'm sitting here right
• 2:19:50
  now in America and back in Israel I just I have it on because I need to know and I've been in
• 2:19:56
  coffee shops before where I'm traveling and you you see another Israeli in the room because you
• 2:20:01
  can tell that when you both get the other you both look at the phone at the same time like you know
• 2:20:06
  and so I just I wanted to bring it to you I know you've never actually even been to Israel but
• 2:20:12
  it's just I don't know to think of this like hurtling at someone's head jugular jugular
• 2:20:23
  there's so much evil that goes into making this it's just like it has one purpose right no I know
• 2:20:29
  it just feels evil I don't know how to describe it it's like heavy and metallic and cold and dark
• 2:20:35
  and you just think about like when it's being made because when you think about the person who made
• 2:20:42
  this and the use as to why it was being made I guess you could say the same thing for a lot of stuff
• 2:20:49
  that's military stuff but like when you're a terrorist organization you're not making it to defend
• 2:20:57
  a country and you're also not making it to preserve the innocent life of the country that you're
• 2:21:03
  attacking no you're just like okay so somebody is knowingly and willingly crafting this knowing
• 2:21:10
  it's a good chance that it could kill somebody who is like you know like hasn't even like gone
• 2:21:19
  through adulthood let alone done something to deserve it like that's what I don't get you can make
• 2:21:28
  a lot of arguments for the US is too militaristic or you know Israel is killed people that
• 2:21:35
  but like when you put when I don't know I'm probably going to get shit on for this but
• 2:21:43
  when the US creates you know arms and weapons like there is a cohort of innocent people they're
• 2:21:52
  protecting who is Hezbollah protecting the people that are killing innocent people
• 2:22:02
  why weren't the six-year-olds at that basketball court why were they not receiving a phone
• 2:22:07
  call or text message from Hezbollah saying that this is coming why is Hamas not dropping pamphlets
• 2:22:13
  on Kibbutz Berri and Nakhaloz in Hebrew telling them that they're going to come in tomorrow morning
• 2:22:18
  at 629 because they don't want people to live just like very obvious I think it's like it's it's
• 2:22:23
  it's and this is I mean people are going to say that it's not I'm going to say it right now
• 2:22:29
  it's pretty simple it is very simple this is this is where I this is heavy it's in it's
• 2:22:36
  insane man like why is this so heavy it's like not even that big it's not that big it's like okay so
• 2:22:43
  for context if I threw this at somebody's head it would most likely kill them I think so
• 2:22:50
  like like that's how and that's a person throwing it that's a person not a rocket being launched out
• 2:22:57
  of like no this is just like a fucking I mean even you saw when I handed it to you like I'm
• 2:23:03
  I'm careful about how I hand it to somebody right because it's it's also I haven't don't
• 2:23:09
  it's been sitting in this bag and that's because I kind of just want it as it is and how I found it
• 2:23:15
  um it's like very jagged it's all rusty the other thing that I have here which is just for me
• 2:23:22
  is this is a piece of the basketball court and that white line is part of the free throw line
• 2:23:29
  where I found this piece of rocket because like
• 2:23:33
  the basketball court for me has been a sanctuary in temple to foster the best relationships
• 2:23:43
  that I've had the best friendships that I've had the hardest dialogue I've had to create
• 2:23:49
  and the biggest bridges I've ever been able to build and any basketball court that I go to when
• 2:23:55
  step on to that court I find deep connection in meaning to something in the world it sounds
• 2:24:03
  it's very like highly spiritual concept for me but the intersection which I mentioned at the
• 2:24:10
  beginning of this conversation of basketball and Israel advocacy is led through empathy it's led
• 2:24:18
  through empathy I talk about the severity of the war I talk about the tragedy of the war I talk about
• 2:24:27
  the fact that my best friend from high school was Muslim who invited me to his cousin's wedding
• 2:24:33
  at his mosque who I've broken Ramadan with at his house who has been at my house for Passover
• 2:24:39
  who has been at my house for Shabbat who comes from a very religious family originally from Pakistan
• 2:24:45
  to those two years living in Israel building a medical facility for Arab children to my three
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  non-Jewish best friends from all over the world African-Americans who have invited me to understand
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  their cultures like if there's anybody that is built to be able to have the resume to open dialogue
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  I feel like I'm one of those people I am not radical on any spectrum you can see I haven't
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  really brought up politics since we've had this conversation because I think politics simply chooses
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  to divide people not bridge them politics has its place in the world I have political beliefs
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  in ideologies but this conflict actually has very much just become like who did you vote for in
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  the States oh okay so you're either pro anti-Israel who are you going to vote for who you endorsing
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  right you're for Kamala your anti-Israel your for Trump your pro-Israel like that's what it's
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  somehow been boiled down to what it was boiled down to at one point um and that's not how I look at
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  the world that's how I look at things and I think what I want to leave off with here is like
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  there's an incredible amount of antagonization happening in this conflict to both sides
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  you mentioned empathy before I'm so happy you mentioned empathy it just it also shows me a lot
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  about who you are and your emotional intelligence and understanding like what can really drive
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  these conversations a lot of people watching observing contributing don't have that that understanding
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  and my model of using basketball as just a gateway in a vehicle just to try and open meaningful
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  dialogue I am hoping and this is sort of one of my aims as I'm doing this is to create a model for
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  other people to reflect on in their own lives what is it that basketball is to them like maybe it's
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  cooking maybe it's art maybe it's fashion maybe it's music maybe it's dancing maybe it's travel
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  the culture itself is where we find commonality with people you have basketball players in
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  China who will save their allowance every week for seven years just to buy a plane ticket
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  and a NBA ticket to go watch James Hardin when they're in their mid 20s it took them 11 years to
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  save and you have James Hardin impacting some kid in China through culture through basketball
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  the same kids who are waiting outside of a footlocker from Friday night to Sunday morning to camp
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  out to buy a pair of Jordans culture like people who save up for a year to buy Taylor Swift tickets
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  culture I think that that's how we need to be leaning a little bit more into empathy and advocacy
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  finding the things that sort of our our commonalities versus the one small part of somebody's life
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  that's that you believe so radically different than yours yeah because if you think about you think
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  about the totality of someone's life right all the things they enjoy the hobbies they have the work
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  they do in politics and war it's a very small piece of it but it has it takes up the most mental
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  space that's so true like how often how often do you vote how often do you go to a movie how often
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  do you play sport often do you travel more than you vote sex yet people's whole identity
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  is wrapped up in politics and conflict that's wild why is that I don't know why why when you have
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  an opinion about Palestine or is or or any other conflict for that matter why is that what I
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  diminish you to when we like the same food same movies same ways to spend weekends with our kids
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  I don't know it's a really good question like that and that fascinates me imagine if we had a
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  better understanding of that because that's a cheat code to understand like what is it that's
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  gonna because what you're saying right now after like hearing you say like that it's really true
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  the non-negotiable for people has become conflict especially people that aren't like so you can
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  make an argument that politics and war are a greater part of of somebody who's living in Gaza right
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  now it's more than say 2% of their life but in the US where people are so opinionated
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  it's not more than that that is so true I think there's edge cases where you have parents that
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  live there you have a cousin lives there the most the the majority have zero ties to that
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  peculiar region of that is so true man which is it doesn't make any sense to me but that's
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  what you're doing the work that you do yeah to make people wake up and remember that the person
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  that they're fighting with on X is much more than just one particular political point and you
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  don't you don't you don't get access to that on the internet no you just don't period well somebody
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  says one thing and that's who they are that's it that's it that's our entirety totality it's not
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  saw this three days two days ago not only one thing in particular that Charlie said but obviously
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  yeah yeah you know before I flew yesterday what two days ago because the time difference is a little
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  bit it flew in like Wednesday night no or Thursday so I technically flew in yesterday but I was
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  basically getting ready Wednesday night Israel time to go to the airport I was going to close my
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  eyes for like two hours before my flight and my friend tall who's also a very big youtuber the
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  traveling clash out of tall he really also helped me get into this space he texted me and all he
• 2:31:01
  said was bro they shot Charlie Kirk and I did not know I was going to close my eyes I had on
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  sleep focus on my phones I wasn't getting notifications um he proceeded to tell he he
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  I'm trying to frame this in a way so that I'm not Charlie Kirk I'm not as big as Charlie Kirk
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  and none of them I'm here but he was the first person throughout that night that was like
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  you just want to think about potentially going to the States right now you know like and my whole
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  spiel online is not doing that not tucking in your necklace not hiding your Jewish identity I'm
• 2:31:56
  the opposite like if you go to my contouring on Instagram it's really pushing this narrative of
• 2:32:02
  the higher level of frequency which is working for me and then the same person I told you about
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  earlier in this conversation who called me one day about YouTube called me and was like
• 2:32:14
  rethink that US visit if I were you not because of Barack but because of like
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  apparently well you by the way also kind of do the same type of content I do as what he does this
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  is true yeah just on a much smaller scale right um so just I'm just mentioning that to you because
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  if I choose not to say anything if I choose not to not to share how I feel not to not to speak
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  the truth my truth um I'm succumbing to what essentially all of the others who I'm trying to
• 2:32:54
  reach want me to do which is never speak a word from my story this is exactly they want someone
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  like me people want me to tuck in my necklace to not talk about Israel to delete my account to hide
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  that's what they want us to do and throughout Jewish history especially when those are the things
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  that we choose to do things get worse things get way worse and I'm trying to be a beacon of light
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  in a time that is like fucking believe me bro seems like one of the more contradictory things to
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  to do to do like because everything does feel just kind of like how you describe this piece right now
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  cold dark heavy um and it's a little bit insane to think that like I'm going to come out here
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  publicly and always talk about yes addressing the dark but trying to still find that that
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  optimistic lens which I think also comes from um a this concept of tikkun alam we have in
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  Judaism of repairing the world tikkun to repair alam in the world and be inheriting that from my
• 2:34:14
  my parents and it started at that Bedouin village when I was six like they gifted me they gave me
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  this invisible platter of like take this shit here understand what it means and then give as much
• 2:34:29
  of it back to the world in as many ways as possible while you're alive and able and that's like
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  really what this feels like to me um because as I said in the beginning of this
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  I did not start talking about Israel because I saw an opportunity to monetize social media platforms
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  I did not talk about Israel because it was trending on the news I talked about Israel in the middle
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  east and like my narrative because it is too important for me to not say anything and for reasons
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  that were very personal of losing a friend and not being in the army and contributing and I think
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  that like those reasons have a lot to do with what's anchored me and being able to still almost two
• 2:35:11
  years into this whole thing have still have these conversations a lot of people aren't having these
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  conversations is much anymore and um that's why I know I'm in it for the right reasons
• 2:35:22
  how are you still optimistic after everything we spoken about today because everything we
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  spoken about and I know you are optimistic but everything that we spoken about whether or not it's
• 2:35:34
  um mostly to do with the west the fact that people like Charlie Kirk were killed
• 2:35:43
  Charlie Kirk was killed excuse me like people who have loud voices are either
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  yelling into an echo chamber or canceled
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  and we already established that there's two outcomes there's either war and destruction
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  or ultimately a happier more cohesive more human-centric society it's really only two outcomes
• 2:36:06
  with all the conflict in the world and it doesn't seem like there's less conflict than ever before
• 2:36:12
  I think people are just I think the only reason why I think the only reason why there is less
• 2:36:19
  quote-unquote war even though you can make the argument that there isn't but people are
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  not explicitly bombing each other the way they use to in like you know end of world war two is
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  because I think people are all afraid that like that would be the end of humanity like if Russia
• 2:36:38
  really wanted to destroy Ukraine if Israel really wanted to destroy Gaza like it would be over in
• 2:36:45
  a second but I don't think that anybody wants to make that move but we're all kind of like
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  flirting with destruction so what makes you optimistic two-part answer the first part is
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  if you look at the world right now we are in you just said it yourself a minute ago it feels like
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  we've had more conflict lately than we have had in a very long time and I actually am going to
• 2:37:23
  agree with you because that's exactly what it feels like that's what's happening it's what's happened
• 2:37:28
  not just Israel Palestine not just Russia Ukraine COVID in terms of just like mayhem and chaos
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  riots in LA I mean we can we can go down the list here right um the reason I'm the first reason
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  I'm optimistic is because the current state of the world right now is a reflection of people in
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  the world who have raised their hand and said I've fucking had enough of the systems and governments
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  and processes that are put in place in societies it's not working for people the way governments
• 2:38:05
  and the way people are our societies are built now you can see bottom-up people are like this is not
• 2:38:10
  working for us we've reached such a low of humiliation in fear and anxiety what did COVID do it
• 2:38:21
  thrusted us into that bottom part of that chart into questioning into not trusting sources into not
• 2:38:28
  trusting the news into not trusting the media which today is it's the whole landscape the whole
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  landscape is is is not trusting so much so that um people are not getting assassinated for saying
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  something that they don't agree with it don't trust the um I'm smiling because I know people
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  are gonna it's they have a hard time with it especially I'm trying to do my best to sort of
• 2:38:57
  Trojan horse this idea of energy and astrology because I think it needs to be delicate
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  it the astrology does show and say that 2025 and into 2026 we are gonna have a pretty significant
• 2:39:10
  amount of increased conflict bloodshed and war um and I think we're gonna still see a lot of it
• 2:39:18
  over the next year so when this starts to decline we are going over the next 20 to 30 40 years
• 2:39:31
  like do you remember when um not you like remember like when the internet was created
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  wouldn't you agree with me that that was classified as like a new earth like shifted earth
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  in almost every capacity that we could we could break down earth in general in a very positive
• 2:39:53
  way in a very positive way when the internet came out there was in the beginning initial phases
• 2:40:01
  a lot of the anxiety fear and increased tension that you're seeing now with AI coming into the
• 2:40:11
  world it's not coming actually started it's already been here and the this this part of it being
• 2:40:18
  very scary with bots and automated machines doing things like sending death threats doing things
• 2:40:25
  like DMing me which I get every day all these things I look at AI as it's going to absolutely
• 2:40:37
  positively impact earth right now it definitely doesn't feel that way right now there's a lot of
• 2:40:43
  cases to be made why it's dangerous why it's bad it's gonna take jobs all this stuff I'm going
• 2:40:47
  somewhere with this the internet then evolved into what you just said absolutely it was earth
• 2:40:56
  version beta whatever it is verse 2.03.4.0 what we're going through right now not just with AI but
• 2:41:03
  we're going through right now with the destruction of systems is the morphing of the new version
• 2:41:10
  that we're going to see I think governments are gonna look different politics are gonna look
• 2:41:14
  different I think people are gonna slowly wake up and understand how we are gonna learn what
• 2:41:25
  empathy is how we are going to learn to achieve a higher frequency as individuals and then collectively
• 2:41:32
  contribute to Jewish Christian Jewish Muslim black and white the whole thing I'm not trying to
• 2:41:41
  paint a picture where we're gonna live in utopia that's not I said in the beginning it's I think
• 2:41:46
  nearly impossible but I'm optimistic because I think we're living through the evolution of a new
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  earth I genuinely think that you and I and definitely my kids you're whatever if you're planning
• 2:42:02
  on having kids I'm also planning on having them we'll be experiencing the beginning stages after
• 2:42:10
  being stages of what this new earth looks like I really do mean that I don't disagree with you by
• 2:42:13
  the way I was just hoping that I think that like if you think about things that change the
• 2:42:19
  earth right like the printing press and then well you could literally go through the industrial the
• 2:42:23
  various industrial revolution yeah and I just hope that the evolution of earth the next level
• 2:42:33
  the scary thing about change is that the most successful changes in history have come on the other
• 2:42:39
  side of a very brutally bloody conflict so how bad is that conflict have to get I don't have the
• 2:42:46
  answer to that but you're asking the right question no revolution which is ultimately led to
• 2:42:51
  hopefully a more positive environment I think that if we look at our current you know people take
• 2:42:56
  people I guess it's very very invoked to hate capitalism for some segments of the population but
• 2:43:04
  if we look at capitalism and and democracy in the US and I mean like it's never it's never
• 2:43:13
  no one ever says it's the perfect system but it's way better than we've had in the past
• 2:43:19
  so what's the next version I don't know what the next version is but I do know that even with
• 2:43:24
  democracy it only came to be after a lot of people died so hopefully which is awful it is but
• 2:43:33
  that's every revolution I saw a video today right before I came here a real this this kid real
• 2:43:41
  his name's Kevin I think Olivero he just popped up on my feet I have no idea where this person is
• 2:43:48
  he talked for 30 seconds he said I didn't know Charlie Kirk personally I've never met him
• 2:43:57
  but I weirdly feel that I just lost somebody very close to me
• 2:44:03
  he said my friends too like we all feel like we just lost a really close person in our in our life
• 2:44:12
  and he's a Christian and he was saying I've seen Charlie on TikTok I've seen him debate I was very
• 2:44:17
  impressed with his knowledge of the Bible the Gospels but he then said there is a reason that
• 2:44:28
  Charlie got killed and this is hopefully going to bring a lot of people in the world closer to
• 2:44:40
  not just God love and faith and empathy I know this sounds crazy when I'm saying this right now because
• 2:44:49
  of somebody who just got assassinated but I also think there is absolutely going to be a massive
• 2:45:00
  learning positive learning opportunity and it's sickening that I have to say that like
• 2:45:08
  it's coming from the assassination of someone like Charlie Kirk for people
• 2:45:13
  it's tragic and it's bad and it's awful and I don't have the answer neither do you but
• 2:45:21
  for that real to come on to my feed today and listen to him it's like I also I think we all kind of
• 2:45:28
  felt it and there's a lot of I think there's a lot of meaning behind that if you've seen you know
• 2:45:36
  you've seen the comments and I've seen the comments of people who were quick to celebrate and quick
• 2:45:40
  to be like it was the Jews of Israel but like boy oh boy there's a flood a massive like downpour
• 2:45:48
  of people across the world who a lot of them didn't even agree with a lot of the politics
• 2:45:54
  of him Candace Owens Dave Smith yesterday his his bite on his podcast was profound
• 2:46:00
  who are torn at what happened and I think unfortunately this is this is a time right now where I
• 2:46:15
  just talked about the the astrology about it but you're right like how much of death and how
• 2:46:20
  much violence how much bloodshed is it going to take for us to be like yo yeah enough you know
• 2:46:30
  I just hope we get to that point sooner than later I do too I just it's not that I just hope it
• 2:46:40
  I'm more than hoping I'm I know it will and I just think that I'm a voice who
• 2:46:46
  is convinced it will and that's why I'm so bullish on this you know like Scott there's a lot of
• 2:46:56
  people who have been talking about Israel Palestine on the internet the past two years and it's like
• 2:47:01
  super obvious when you like turn it on like they're there to talk to the host and the hosts audience
• 2:47:08
  to try and get them on board with their perspective like that's the agenda going into the room
• 2:47:13
  which is a very delusional agenda if like you're having somebody if if your perspective is
• 2:47:20
  if it's not for the audience that already exists it's a very delusional agenda right
• 2:47:26
  if it's for the audience that exists great you're going to make them feel even better than they
• 2:47:29
  did before they left echo chamber that's all it is yeah yeah and I've seen people come on
• 2:47:36
  to podcasts where like their audience isn't necessarily in the same camp of thinking and
• 2:47:43
  I don't think that's the right approach and that's not my approach that's definitely like what
• 2:47:47
  you were saying before is like there might be people who turn this on within reading the description
• 2:47:51
  they didn't even get to press play because they saw who I am that's fine but that's not the group
• 2:47:55
  I'm really going for right now eventually I'll get to them when emotions go down an ability to
• 2:48:00
  be a little bit more logical goes up like again the overly emotional under the informed state
• 2:48:05
  is so high right now it's kind of like the stock market when things are very volatile and people
• 2:48:10
  make emotional decisions based on their financial portfolios they think rationally less
• 2:48:17
  high conflict high war high tension high divide people think rationally less we need to see
• 2:48:24
  the next X amount of years 2 5 10 where emotions are driven down a little bit because listen it's
• 2:48:32
  going to happen you can't just keep the town hall of X the way it is right now you can't just
• 2:48:37
  keep the state of politics the way it is I mean otherwise and we're gone let's be real
• 2:48:45
  and I as much as it's really hard to say this because of the how people feel
• 2:48:51
  I do have enough faith in human beings to pull it together the only you can't not I don't know
• 2:48:56
  what the alternative is and I'm not going to sit here and say like the world's ending like that's not
• 2:49:00
  not who I am so no I think that's the only way you have to have faith yeah where can people connect
• 2:49:08
  with you if they want to consume more of your content learn a little bit more about um like what
• 2:49:15
  you teach and what you speak about where's the best place for them to go I am other baroque OTHER
• 2:49:22
  B-A-R-A-K on every platform other baroque calm youtube instagram tiktok x discord
• 2:49:30
  other baroque is the name that I came up with after exchanging letters with baroque obama
• 2:49:34
  so the other baroque I'm just the other one yeah um what are you working on like so if people like
• 2:49:39
  consume I mean like I know you from youtube and instagram yeah but you're also building out a
• 2:49:43
  couple of other things yeah so what can people sort of explore in your universe if they want to
• 2:49:49
  I'm now actually trying to scale and build what I'm doing to create a model a model for advocacy
• 2:49:59
  to even go to the length of like to the state of israel of like
• 2:50:06
  here's a kid from Boston who now lives in israel if you want to tell your story to the people
• 2:50:12
  outside of israel maybe leverage the people who aren't from israel to tell that story to the ones
• 2:50:17
  that they grew up with and I'm trying to really hone in on that publicly out of all the things
• 2:50:23
  that you've learned experienced um and even taught across your entire career in life
• 2:50:31
  you have to pick one lesson or one idea that you in this thought experiment this is the only
• 2:50:38
  lesson that you can teach over to your kids so the most important idea or lesson and you think
• 2:50:44
  that this will help their life the most what would that idea be and why the lesson that
• 2:50:51
  my email and my abba my mom and my dad taught to me that I a didn't realize it was a lesson at the
• 2:50:58
  time and b don't think that they realized it was necessary the lesson that I would I would take
• 2:51:04
  at six years old pulling haystacks through carts for Arab children in the middle of these
• 2:51:13
  really desert the lesson to completely look at the person you're looking at in the eye
• 2:51:23
  regardless of this the color of their skin and the language that they speak at their house
• 2:51:29
  and the god that they believe in and pray to that if you look at them as the human that they are
• 2:51:37
  and the human that you are and don't judge remove judgment remove preconceived notion
• 2:51:47
  and take them for the same organs that they share with you which the heart and the brain and the
• 2:51:52
  human soul um that if you treat others that way throughout your life and that's what you want
• 2:52:01
  or reciprocated that is who you will evolve to be there's there's nothing in the world that's
• 2:52:07
  more important than being a good person doing the right thing is always the right thing to do I got
• 2:52:12
  that from Gary V and my my kids are going to be raised in a way whether it's six years old
• 2:52:22
  whether it's four years old that because that's how I see the world
• 2:52:29
  because that's how I want other people to be it is a responsibility and duty of mind so that my
• 2:52:35
  kids have the same perspective that my parents gave me without even realizing it in the middle of a
• 2:52:40
  war zone and I think that that lesson has a massive correlation to why I'm sitting in front of you
• 2:52:49
  because I attribute a lot of the lens and perspective we were talking about this offline of how I
• 2:52:53
  see the world to the way that my parents and my brother raised me to literally love other people
• 2:53:01
  around you love other people around you deploy love this is why the Judaism and being Jewish is a very
• 2:53:07
  big part of my life because there's a lot of the love that I extract from being a good person
• 2:53:13
  repairing the world doing goods respecting others I would want them I'd want to give them a
• 2:53:20
  variation of the same lesson I got when I was that six-year-old