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TMCP Ep 18: Is Netflix Good for Boxing? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner standing it six foot five weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welsh and
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing in five foot nine wayne pounds
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  Speaker 1: with six wins.
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  Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late.
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  Speaker 1: Payments on student loans, and two total painkruptcies hits the
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  Speaker 1: Classy I'll go hold.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Welcome back to another episode of the Mixed
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  Speaker 3: Company Podcast. Of course, I'm one of your olds, Jamison
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  Speaker 3: Welsh and always I'm joined by the classic alcoholic Classy.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Jamison? Feeling great today? Stoked to be recording episode eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: Our show is officially old enough to vote and purchase
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  Speaker 2: lotto tickets, but not old enough to smoke because you
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  Speaker 2: have to be twenty one years old the smoke nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: But that's okay because you and I are here to
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  Speaker 2: bring all the smoke that people will ever need. We
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of boxing to talk about, so let's
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  Speaker 2: I want to get to it at first. I always
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  Speaker 2: like to open shows with a shout out wherever necessary,
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  Speaker 2: and today I'm going to give a shout out to
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  Speaker 2: you because you just had a birthday last week. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: that right?
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate that. Yeah, last Thursday turned thirty nine, So time flies, man,
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  Speaker 3: like time flying. Man. It's one of those things to
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  Speaker 3: where if you when we were young, we used to
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  Speaker 3: complain about things going so slow, But get older, you
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  Speaker 3: complain that things are going so fast, and you see
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  Speaker 3: your friends kids grow up, you see your siblings grow
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  Speaker 3: up like I was since at sixteen, and she's doing like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, adult stuff and all that stuff. So yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: it's uh, yeah, it's a lot going on. But I'm
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  Speaker 3: happy to eat be here. Happened to make another year,
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  Speaker 3: and good to join this great podcast that we have
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  Speaker 3: and keep growing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a little bit older. We were born
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  Speaker 2: the same year, but I was thirty nine back in February.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, the next big adventure is the Big
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  Speaker 2: four Row next year. Yeah, we're I'm excited. Actually, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not excited about my hangovers tripling in length because right
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  Speaker 2: now they're double. Like they doubled in length, they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be triple probably.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 2: So but since we're both that, we're still young, we're
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  Speaker 2: still spry. And this morning I woke up to greet
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  Speaker 2: the day with some whiskey in my coffee, and I
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  Speaker 2: walked over to the local news stand to pick up
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  Speaker 2: a copy of the Boxing Gazette, the premier source of
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  Speaker 2: boxing news, and on the front page there was a
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  Speaker 2: story about an excellent performance over the weekend from Richardson Hitchins,
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  Speaker 2: an undefeated boxer from Brooklyn, crushed it at Madison Square
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  Speaker 2: Garden against personally I think the most overrated Crikey boxer,
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  Speaker 2: George Campbos's junior. But Jameson, did you see the fight highlights?
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  Speaker 2: At least? What did you think?
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  Speaker 3: I saw the fight. I saw the fight. I'm a
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  Speaker 3: big fan. I like boxes that talk shitting back it up.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a lot of boxes that talk a
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  Speaker 3: lot of like we have a lot of guys that
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  Speaker 3: talking to a lot of antiques. But to see someone
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  Speaker 3: talk shit for you fight, I as you tossh it
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  Speaker 3: during the fight and then back it up, I'm impressed.
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  Speaker 3: And we need more of that. That's what we need.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the sport needs. More of that, because we
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  Speaker 3: get a lot of guys talking and doing stuff and
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  Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But when it comes to fight night,
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  Speaker 3: they throw hundred punches. So to see this kind of
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  Speaker 3: performance in a venue like that, I'm impressed. We need more.
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  Speaker 3: We need more big fights with him, agreed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm with you too. You know, I've always
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  Speaker 2: said on the show that I never care about what
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  Speaker 2: happens outside the ring, the press conferences, the face offs,
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  Speaker 2: because it's all the same thing. I'm gonna knock you up,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna knock you out, blah blah blah. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I hate you and they play it up. But most
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  Speaker 2: of these fighters don't really hate each other. But you're right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when somebody talks a lot of shit and
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  Speaker 2: then comes in and hardly throws any punches, just kind
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  Speaker 2: of dances around the ring, you think, what was that for?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, shout out to Richardson hitchins Man. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I he was actually not on my radar. I believe
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  Speaker 2: I went through his his fight list. I think I
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  Speaker 2: saw him fight against somebody, but it didn't stick in
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  Speaker 2: my mind. So I don't know if it was just
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of other fights or but I knew the name.
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  Speaker 2: But this was an excellent performance.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Possibly he wasn't at this level at the time at
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  Speaker 2: the last fight I saw him, but uh, round eight
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  Speaker 2: TKO with the body shot against Cambosos. He even got
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  Speaker 2: an early body shot. Oh, I think it was like
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  Speaker 2: round four. Yeah, it wasn't wobbled cambos. You could tell
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  Speaker 2: he was hurt. There was blood in the water and
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  Speaker 2: he didn't let up light on his feet. But also
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  Speaker 2: why did his see pasteadios? I was gonna say, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not intimidated, kept advancing, just a wonderful one of performance.
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  Speaker 3: So he didn't play with his food either. He knew
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  Speaker 3: what he was there for. He took your business, and
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  Speaker 3: he's better. He's there for bigger and better things going forward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to seeing his career. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he right now, let's see what I got here. He
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  Speaker 2: is now twenty and oh with Akos consistently been fighting
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  Speaker 2: twice a year, so now he wants He called out
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  Speaker 2: Tepus and Devin Haney. You and I have had our
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  Speaker 2: opinion on Devin Haney sort of knows Dove a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when you think about that matchup, tail
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  Speaker 2: Fema would be the more challenging one. He still he's
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  Speaker 2: still got it, I think, But I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: are your thoughts on on those potential matchups, and I
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  Speaker 2: would so.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll be favorite by versus either guy.
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  Speaker 3: But I would I would take him versus either guy
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  Speaker 3: at the moment from what we've seen lately and the activity,
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  Speaker 3: the talent and the skill sets that we've seen, I
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  Speaker 3: would take if I had a bet, I would bet
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  Speaker 3: on him. Now again, that's with if he's an underdog
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  Speaker 3: in a fight, if Vegas has him at different odds,
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  Speaker 3: then yeah, I would take him betting wise, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: impressed with Devin Haney at all. I'm not. There's nothing
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  Speaker 3: you can do to tell me until further notice, to
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  Speaker 3: get me excited about Devin Handey fight. I'm tired. I'm
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  Speaker 3: simply tired. There's nothing where you can sell me on him.
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  Speaker 3: We we don't need to go with this anymore. Personally,
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  Speaker 3: I personally have heard too much talking and non a
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  Speaker 3: performance in the ring. That's the first thing. Also, he
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  Speaker 3: hasn't done anything like With all due respect, I get
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  Speaker 3: he's one, but I get that. I get the belt's part.
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  Speaker 3: That's the belt Park's becoming very overrated because very easy
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  Speaker 3: to get a belt nowadays than when it was forty
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  Speaker 3: fifty years ago. However, with that being said, no one's
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  Speaker 3: afraid of Devin Haney like No one's afraid of him.
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  Speaker 3: No one's like, damn, I gotta fight deva hate next week. No, no,
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  Speaker 3: no is he is he a good fighter, He's okay,
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  Speaker 3: he's fine. But in terms of an elite fighter that
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  Speaker 3: people are scared of and people are ducking nah, people
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  Speaker 3: are what people want to fight him, that's how they
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  Speaker 3: think of to a female similar, Uh, he's more annoying
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  Speaker 3: than anything with some of the yeah, all the rings things.
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  Speaker 3: Probably a better fighter if I had to say, of
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  Speaker 3: the two, but they're kind of similar in terms of
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  Speaker 3: like they both accomplashed things, but no one was afraid
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  Speaker 3: of them. Like people want to fight them because they
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  Speaker 3: have names. And we'll see. I think, honestly, we need
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  Speaker 3: a different group of boxers coming up, younger guys, guys
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  Speaker 3: that have not gotten attention in the past, to kind
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  Speaker 3: of take over, because we've seen guys get to this
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  Speaker 3: stage where everyone knows him and kind of flat line,
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  Speaker 3: kind of plateau where they're not as active. There's a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of excuses, there's weird things going on. We need
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  Speaker 3: fresh blood, we need active fight. So I'm all four,
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  Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens. You know, boxing is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens in the next few months. But
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  Speaker 3: I would love to see any of any of those
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  Speaker 3: two guys get with them. Either one would people to work. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to count out tell Femo yet. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's he's at his ups and downs. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: still very talented fighter. He definitely has not fallen in
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  Speaker 2: my esteem like Devin Haney has. Yeah, he got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of criticism for his performance during the Time Square thing,
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  Speaker 2: but he was moving. He was best he was. He
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  Speaker 2: was sticking and moving and he was He was also
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  Speaker 2: show voting and dancing around, which is his style. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that that he's lost it. Really, it'll
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  Speaker 2: go it kind of we're gonna see soon if he
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  Speaker 2: fights again. He did pass on the Devin Haiti fight.
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  Speaker 2: People said that Teoe Fema was ducking him. Could it
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  Speaker 2: also be that kind of the same thing. He's not
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  Speaker 2: excited to fight him because it's not much of a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think I had more to do with the money
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  Speaker 3: break down. I think there are with the negotiations with
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  Speaker 3: the Saudi people. I think there's a lot going on
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  Speaker 3: with that and it broke down. But it was heard
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  Speaker 3: at one point it was made, at one point it
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  Speaker 3: was confirmed, and then a few hour later it was
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  Speaker 3: backed out.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, no, no, Well, I guess the
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  Speaker 2: last thing we can say on this is that after
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  Speaker 2: Richardson Hitchins's performance against Cambosa's tail femal Lopus had no
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  Speaker 2: business losening to that dude. Man, he had no business
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  Speaker 2: losing to Cambosa's I don't know what was wrong with
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  Speaker 2: that day. You know, they had the damn flu or.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know his dog die. I have no clue,
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  Speaker 2: but there was no way. I don't see what. I
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  Speaker 2: don't have no idea what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd have I'd be shot, Like I didn't watch
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  Speaker 3: the fight, I'd be shocked. You told me that was
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  Speaker 3: the result when those two guys fought. Like But like
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  Speaker 3: you said, boxing happens. Boxing happened. At the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day, boxing does happen or nothing you can do
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  Speaker 3: regarding it.
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  Speaker 2: An upset can always happen. But yeah, at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, shout out to Richardson Hitchens for a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful performance, and we want to see more from you
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  Speaker 2: and from a better fighter who's not as overrated as
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  Speaker 2: Cambosas correct, correct, all right, so we need to figure
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  Speaker 2: out what you gotta talk about, you know, maybe having
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  Speaker 2: a new emergency episodes. When something major happened.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, you know what, I thought about hitting you
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  Speaker 3: when it happened. For several reasons, I actually work with
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  Speaker 3: people who are who live and work in the area.
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  Speaker 3: My day job has a lot of people in that state,
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  Speaker 3: so I work. I'm on a team with someone who
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  Speaker 3: had tickets to the fight, and that was talking about
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  Speaker 3: the fight two weeks in advance, and they were severely
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  Speaker 3: pissed off about all the antics and events that took
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  Speaker 3: place during that situation.
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  Speaker 2: So what are we talking about episode seventeen. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we were all super excited about Kishon Davis coming back
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday the UH. I believe that it was the
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  Speaker 2: seventh and what was the day before that Friday? I
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  Speaker 2: think it was announced that number one, Kishon Davis didn't
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  Speaker 2: make weight. He was like four point three pounds over
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  Speaker 2: Now the fight didn't happen, It got canceled. Other fighters
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  Speaker 2: they've come in overweight, but you know, they the fight
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  Speaker 2: still occurred. They just didn't, you know, have the championship
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  Speaker 2: belt that they were fighting for. But this one Edwin
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  Speaker 2: Della Santos, who was set to fight Kishon Davis. He said, Nope,
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  Speaker 2: not going to do it. He didn't hold up his
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  Speaker 2: end of the bargain. I worry about him being you know,
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  Speaker 2: higher weight class and being dangerous for me. Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: So the fight was just scrapped. I'm trying to think.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to wreck my brain to remember recently
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  Speaker 2: in recent times, like how has there been fights that
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  Speaker 2: have been just canceled after somebody doesn't make weight? Because
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think Ryan Garcia came in over
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  Speaker 2: for the Haiti fight.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, either way. The it's one thing that
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  Speaker 3: comes over in a fight, like coming in over four
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  Speaker 3: pounds is crazy, like you're not taking it seriously. Also,
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  Speaker 3: the amount of money that you have to forfeit is
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  Speaker 3: just it's just ridiculous. But you're not a serious fighter.
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  Speaker 3: If you come in that that many pounds are aweight
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  Speaker 3: a pound, I can see it should happens. Not saying
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  Speaker 3: it's good, but I can see it. Anything more than
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  Speaker 3: a pound and a half is like hey man, like
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  Speaker 3: what are you You're not serious? Like you're not You're
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  Speaker 3: not serious? And four pounds. Is disrespectful to the sport
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  Speaker 3: and respectful for everybody who's invested in this event. Is
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  Speaker 3: disrespectful to all of us who wanted to watch the event.
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  Speaker 3: It's just extremely disrespectful. They're taking the fans for granted.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the shit I cannot get behind. We cannot
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  Speaker 3: we cannot support shit like that. We cannot tolerate it
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  Speaker 3: like that. You should be suspended when you come in
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  Speaker 3: that much overweight. Your job as a professional boxers to
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  Speaker 3: stay and shape and make sure your skills are sharp.
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  Speaker 3: If you can't do that, then you don't deserve to
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  Speaker 3: get paid. You don't deserve to get any future fights.
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  Speaker 3: For a while. You need to sit back and reflect
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  Speaker 3: and think about some shit. And then you have the
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  Speaker 3: audacity to cause a scene in another fight where people
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  Speaker 3: actually made the weight. Nah. Fuck that. I'm sorry, excuse
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  Speaker 3: my language, but that ain't it. Like. We're hardworking people.
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  Speaker 3: You have a day job. I got a day job.
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  Speaker 3: A producer got a day job, and other producers other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We have a certain amount of time and resources we
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  Speaker 3: dedicate to certain things. And for you, as a professional
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  Speaker 3: boxer to come in overweight like that, I can't I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I can't support it cannot.
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  Speaker 2: And I am not disagreeing with anything you're saying. I
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  Speaker 2: am one hundred percent on board. I will sort of
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: take a little different track on this conversation because you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you listen episode sixteen, we talked a lot about
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  Speaker 2: rehydrich clauses. We're not gonna rehash that conversation, but I
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  Speaker 2: said that I think if you're gonna work so hard
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  Speaker 2: to make weight, you should be able to fight at
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  Speaker 2: that weight. And when Kisha didn't make it, the announcer said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he was talking about how that was almost
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  Speaker 2: passing out trying to make weight on the scale, Sugar Stevenson.
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  Speaker 2: I think he said he was literally pissing blood because
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  Speaker 2: he had so much typicalty making the weight. That's at
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  Speaker 2: that point, it's just dangerous. At that point, there's one
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  Speaker 2: thing where you know you had too many twinkies or
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  Speaker 2: you were literally putting your life at risk. And if
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  Speaker 2: you're if you're going to be in that state physically
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  Speaker 2: to get to a particular weight class, that means you
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  Speaker 2: can't fight there. You can't get into the ring if
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  Speaker 2: that's what it took to get you there. So I
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  Speaker 2: think maybe you should just kind of reassess how hard
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  Speaker 2: you're working to cut that much weight, is my personal opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Or if you're just not disciplined enough, I think it's disciplined.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's cutting weight. I think it's being
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  Speaker 3: disciplined in between fights. You got to be disciplined. If
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  Speaker 3: you're a guy that's supposed to be at one thirty
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  Speaker 3: five one forty. If you normally walked around at one
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  Speaker 3: fifty one fifty five and then you cut fifteen pounds
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  Speaker 3: four a fight, that's fine. That's fine. But if you're
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  Speaker 3: getting one fifty five, one sixty and up between fights
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  Speaker 3: and then you try to cut up twenty five thirty pounds,
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  Speaker 3: that's hard doing. If you can't do that, then you
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  Speaker 3: need to consider some things. You need to reconsideration things,
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  Speaker 3: or let people know ahead of time, saying, hey, we
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  Speaker 3: need to change where this fight what wait, this fight's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be at if possible, because I can't make one
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  Speaker 3: thirty five. You can't have a fight canceled period, But
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  Speaker 3: in your hometown, nah, nah, ain't no way.
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  Speaker 2: Well and you, yeah, you made reference to it a
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  Speaker 2: second ago, but not only that, but we found out
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  Speaker 2: that apparently Kishan and his younger brother Keon assaulted another fighter.
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  Speaker 2: The fighter that beat his older brother, Now he are
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  Speaker 2: all bright. So in between matches they went to an
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  Speaker 2: interview with now you're all bright and he looked fucked
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  Speaker 2: up like he had a big welt on his forehead. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was bad and apparently that happened in the locker room.
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  Speaker 2: Then afterwards there was footage of a brawl in the
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  Speaker 2: hallway where Kishan had to get ejected. It was a
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  Speaker 2: shit show, like straight up, that's what it was. My
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  Speaker 2: question is can this somebody? Can Keisha Davis come back
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  Speaker 2: for something like that? I mean, we've heard stories about
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  Speaker 2: fighters doing fucked up stuff, so you know, years and
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  Speaker 2: years and years we have we've heard all the stories.
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  Speaker 2: Is missing weight and then the behavior on top of that.
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  Speaker 2: How much is that going to hurt his career? Can
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  Speaker 2: he make amends, can he come back or is he
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  Speaker 2: basically being written off? And is he going to end
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  Speaker 2: up At two PM? Before the fights happened at eight
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  Speaker 2: or nine.
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  Speaker 3: So the two pms after you'd have been dropped a
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  Speaker 3: few times, so from to the fights a few times
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  Speaker 3: and you got to people you should be losing two
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  Speaker 3: to be fighting at two and three to four pm
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  Speaker 3: local time. But that being said, he's talented, so he'll
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  Speaker 3: get other opportunities, but the money is gonna be different.
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  Speaker 3: So instead of making seven figures, the next fight might
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: be in the six figures, just based off of and
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: then it took place. Plus he lost out on his
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: money from this past fight. He didn't get any money
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: from that. That's all lost. And I'm glad that happened.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: Because you don't play boxing. This is a career. This
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: isn't no part time thing. This ain't no hobby. This
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: is a fucking career. You guys, stay in shape. This
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: is what you do. You gotta stay in shape. It
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: ain't no ah, well you know all this drop five
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: pounds and no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: that's ridiculous. Like I was very disappointed. I heard four
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: and a half pounds or whatever it was. I was like, what,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: like again, a pound happens, That's happened. Time, that's happened.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Sometimes they'll give a box for two hours and come
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: back and rewigh like we've we've heard and seen that before.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: They back in the day and they used to give
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: a guy a shot and it would like flush stuff
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: out and basically, you know, there'd be things that you
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: could do to lose a pound. But when I heard four,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: oh no, we're done here, why you can't, I'm glad
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the fight didn't happen. I'm glad he learned a very
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: valuable lesson. Now he's talented enough to overcome this. It's
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of work he's gonna need to
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: put in. And be quite honest with you, he can't
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: have any setbacks. If he messes around and loses his
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: next fight, or the next fight is very shaky, it's
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: not looking good, gotcha.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I believe I read that because Edwin Della
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Santos chose not to fight, which was his right and
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: his prerogative, that he just got the first money, right,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: like that money that was put up for the competition.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: He just got it. You know, Scott Free which Hey
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: shout out to him. You know, other fighters might have
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: gone on with the fight, but he said, I held
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: up my end of the bargain. This guy didn't. That's
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: not my fault. You know. To talk to your chucky
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: man over there.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: So here's what happens when something just takes place. So
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: let's say the weigh in that three people, let's say
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: that noon. Let's say is that noon. Just make it easier,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: they'll give you several options on what to do. So
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: they all get the camps together and say, hey, what
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: resolution do y'all have. So let's say if it was
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: a pound, they'd say, hey, come back in three hours,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: will we weigh if he's able to make way? Cool?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: If not, we'll figure out some sort of count actual
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: thing to where the perse you know, perfect pound he's over,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: he has to give away one hundred grand for each
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: pound or each half pounds whatever. So that's how it's
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: normally worked out. But when it's four pounds, there's really
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: not much to work out, Like you're kind of not
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: leaving someone in any choice. Four pounds a lot of
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: fucking pounds in boxing, man, Like, that's a lot of pounds,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: especially for like a main event type of situation. It's
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: not a secondary event, it's not a two PM fight,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: it's a main event that's on national television. And yeah,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: you can't really there's nothing to work out, to be
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: honest with you, unless he's gonna give his whole salary
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: to do. There is no there's really nothing to work Uh,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: there's really nothing to work out.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Right, So really, at the end of the day, yes,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: we say that Edwin Dello Santo's chose not to fight,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: but really it was it was kind of out of
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: his hands.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, here's the thing. Why would you you held
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: up your bargain. You're getting paid regardless, So why chance
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: the risk of injury, the risk of risk of losing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Why would you because someone else theyre responsible. Unless you
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: were incentivized so much financially that you couldn't turn it down.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Why we said, hey, I got to give half your
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: person away. That's just something he would have had to do.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: And if he didn't want to do that, the did
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: no fight. If I was in his shoes, that's what
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I would thrown out there and say, hey, he's scheduled
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: to make one point four I need half of that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: And if he didn't want to do it, then so
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: be it.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you know, let's see what happens with Keishon Davis.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: You know, we said in the last episode that we
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: were both fans and we were both looking forward to
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: that fight. The bummer that it didn't happen. However, a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: very talented prospect of Doula. Mason, with a lot of potential,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: took over the main event, had another excellent performance against
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Nakatila. The ref stopped at round five because Nakatila
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: had a really bad cut on his eyelid. And what
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: did you think about that about Mason's fighting? First of all,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Mason taking over at the main event, do you think
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: that was a good call? And also what did you
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: think about him and his performance?
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: It's tough because here's the thing. The people who did
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: pay money, who still want to get out the house
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: and watch the fight. You do them, You do owe them.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: You can't cancel the whole card. They can't do that.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: You got to say face not luckily from I heard,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: they did if they were able to refund people's money
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: back from what I've heard, so that's a good thing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: But you really can't cancel the whole card what's on
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: national TV. It's very hard because remember those trucks and
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: that operation teams already out there. They get there in
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the middle of the week, they get there on Wednesday,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: so they're already there setting up. They've already did. So
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: to cancel a whole card, that's not happened like it
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: would have to be catastrophic to cancel the whole car,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: because everybody's already got paid. You've already paid them employees,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: you paid the movie people. You've done so much already
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: to cancel a whole card. It is what it is. However,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: this took the lackluster. I have the whole thing, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: it's like anything else, it's the next man up. So,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: for instance, on a regular fight card, there's probably like
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: twelve fights. Just in general we see the top three
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: or four, but on a whole fight list, there's like
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: ten or twelve fights. Some of them are four round fights,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: some were six round fights, whatever. Whatever. But if if
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: a fight happens and it gets canceled forever reason, they
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: just move it out and move the next one up.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: That that's how it goes. So this is normal. This
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: is normal. It's just a circumstances suck, but this is
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: how it goes, right.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I was really happy that Abdula Mason got to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: got the spotlight this weekend. You know, I said, I
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: actually said on the last episode that he's a very
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: talented young guy and I think he's got a good
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: career ahead of him now. For him. I'm not trying
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to take away anything from his win, from his performance
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: or for Richard and Hitchins. But also maybe there's a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: little Lestrius and that Jeremiah Nakatila is like a bit
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: over the hill, not the most elite competition. Same thing
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I said Campus was overrated. But again not being a dick,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: not trying.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: To be like, well, you know, you've got a credit
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: taking care of business. At the end of the day,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: when you take care of business, we got to applaud
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: that because we've seen so many guys not take care
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: of business in the past. That's when you think that
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: to get me over a fight or tune up fight
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: and they end up get beat. So uh, it's one
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: of those things where we got applaud and appreciate guys
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: take care of business.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Sure, and I guess my point is that both these guys,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Hitchens and Mason, you know, let's see what's next for them.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Let's give him a big fight, let's let's reward their
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: talent and their performance, and let's award the fact that
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: they took care of business. And especially Mason, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: last minute, you're I don't I don't know anything about
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: what that's like, but to say you're up, you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on a major card, but now you're the main guy.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: This rests on your shoulders. That's gonna be a lot
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: of pressure, and that's gonna be a lot of really
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: intense for for for a fighter. But he stepped up,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and you know, good for him. Shout out to do
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to Mason.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing though, as a boxer, you always
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: gotta say infest you're not a main guy. If you're
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a boxer, gotta say ready because you never know what
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: you never know what call you're gonna get. Now, the
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: funniest part is there's a lot of boxers that have
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: regular jobs. So the guys that or tune up, fight guys,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and guys that are in the top ten and I'm
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: in the top twenty, they got regular jobs because they
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: got bills to pay, and the money in American boxing
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: ain't like you know, it ain't life changing. So a
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: lot of guys got regular jobs. Are part of their
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: job is to stay in shape and stay ready just
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: case they get that call. Because it's only a handful
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of guys you can really call on him almost Notice
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it's not a whole lot. There's not one hundred boxers
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: at one thirty five. It's just not so. You get
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a guy that's in shape, rate to go and he's
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: somewhat formidable, then yeah, you do what you gotta do.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Well we did, We did talk about it. I think
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I believe it was better be in versus b bol two.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: When they called up that British electrician that came to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: fight sho course Stevenson last minute. You know, respect to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: him for sure, you know didn't didn't get the who
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: didn't take it home, but hey, you know he was
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: ready at a moment's notice.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: And respect to that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Guy his name, I absolutely remember. I just don't feel
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: like telling you that because you got to look it
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: up for yourself. Bettis guy way pretty tell interest. All right,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: moving on to the fight that has been that we've
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: been talking about since the beginning of this podcast. If
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: this were a TV show, this would be the major
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: story arc that we kept coming back to, And there's
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: been news since our last episode. Turns out the Canelo
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: versus Crawford fight will be in Vegas after all September thirteenth,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: although the venue is still TVD, which I think is weird.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know that's gonna be at a legial stadium.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: They're gonna move the football and a Friday. There's too
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: much money at stake. You don't have a football stadium
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: that can hold seventy thousand people and not have that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: day because of U and V football. With all the
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: respect UNLV football, they've had two good seasons in twenty
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: So we're not gonna play this game. It's not USC
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it's not Alabama, it's not for it. It's UOV football.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: They can move it a day or two to get
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this fight taken care of. So we need to be
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: realistic with this ship right now.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Is there any other venue that would in Vegas that
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: would make it to me, not knowing the.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Town football, not for that kind of crowd that they're
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: talking about. Okay, because we need this to mega fight. Man,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: we don't have these fights don't happen, not like this.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: You don't have the two biggest names in a sport
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: fighting somewhat in their prime. You don't get this like this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: You just don't. It was if Floyd and Manny was
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: in this day and age, it'll probably be in a stadium.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: It probably be an allegiance with all the stuff that
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: has happened over the last ten years. But there's no
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: football stadium back then. There's nowhere. We don't have another
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: stadium like this that can hold this kind of crowd
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that this would get. Plus you got to realize that
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: it's a holiday weekend of Mexican Independence that weekend. It's
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a venue where you can sell a lot of cheap
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: seats and still sell a lot of high priced seats too,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the Uppers and Allegiance. It's high, but they have a
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: video board there, so people who go get up there
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: and pay, they'll pay. So yeah, they're gonna make it happen.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: It's I couldn't see it being in t mobile or
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: in a regular arena. It has to be in the stadium.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: It has to be gotcha, And you mentioned there was
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: no football stadium back then. Is that because the Legion
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Stadium was created for the Raiders when.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: They moved out to The Allegian Stadium was built for
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: the Raiders to move from the Bay Area to Vegas.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: That that was its purpose. However, you don't be football.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Part of the agreement of the Raiders moving here was,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: you know, football, they will play their home games in
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: that stadium as well, So that's what got the stadium
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: built here. With that being said, though, this is a
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: one event where it's gonna bring a lot of money
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: into the city. And if that's the case, you don't
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the football will have to move that game the Thursday
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: or Friday.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Goscha Okay, Well, I'm super stoked about it. Another thing
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that was announced is that the fight will be on Netflix.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: The last time Netflix was involved in boxing was that
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson travesty from last year that I never want
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to speak of again. Yeah, but yeah, what do we
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: think about Netflix being involved in the boxing world?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Jamison, Well, we both paid seventeen or twenty dollars a
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: month for it, so being able to log in and
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: watch it it's cool. I guess that's fine. It's the future. Though,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: with the way things are going, with the way sports
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and streaming services, especially boxing, it feels like Netflix is
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: probably be the sole provider of big fights going forward.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: It just feels like and it makes fens for Netflix.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: They can market their product for four hours, so it
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: all makes sense. But it feels like Netflix is the move.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: I know Amazon's does some stuff and does in or Tozone,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, does some stuff. But
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: for the most part, it feels like the marriage between
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: boxing and Netflix is going to be on the horizon.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It feels like that's the way, and their production is flawless.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I will say for whatever support event they've had, it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: gone off really well.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Well. There were a lot of reports about the stream
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: going out during the Tyson fight last year, so there
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: were some cakes that needed to be work out. They
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: will for this one.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: So here's the thing. The Tyson fight, Yes, there are
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: some weird stuff at the stream. They had WrestleMania soon
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: after and it was perfect, and then they've had football
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: games it's been perfect. So I think they've worked that out.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: But Amazon's the one with the perfect straight in my bad,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Amazon's the one with no issues. But we'll see. I
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: think it will be fine. It'll be interesting to see.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: But also the amount of people that will get Netflix
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: for just that month just to have it, just to
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: watch it at home or on their phone or whatever.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: They're gonna make so much money off that fight. They
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: know what they're doing. Getting. Here's that I'd rather get.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Let's say you get a two million one month subscribers
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: of Netflix at seventeen dollars a month, I'd rather get
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: that than hoping to get two million pay per view
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: guys at one hundred dollars a month. Okay, okay, you
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like this, doing simple math, if
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you can get five times the amount of one party
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: at this amount, and you know, it's just it's just simple, man,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I think that. And also you already have people who
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: already contribute to Netflix already two so it's just I
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: get it, like I see, I see the vision.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, and you know how many of us haven't signed
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: up for a trial or for one month and then
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: forget to cancel and then that just stays there.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: And then all the marketing they can do during the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: fight before the fight, during the fight, their marketing costs
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: are so so so their marketing is so important because
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: there's so much they can charge companies to market. There's
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: so much they can charge pre fight, during the week,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: the months, the announce where all the stuff they can
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: do from now to then they can hit coming over
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the head with the fees. So yeah, it's one of
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: those things to where they can really rake in the
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: dough when it comes to the situation.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Right, I think, Well, we've talked about how boxing needs
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to get creative these days, you know, viewership is down
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: for well most things, you know, TV, live TV streams,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you know, and Top Rank leaving ESPN going possibly to
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: streaming only Netflix might be the best possible option because
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: especially if what you know, Top rank fights happened every
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: few months, every few weeks. Even so, if you're saying
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Netflix is the home of a place like top rank
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: that has fights all year long, there will be fans
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that will just keep it and then just watch it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have the ESPN Plus and I don't
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: watch shit on it except boxing, you know, I don't
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: log in for basketball or hockey anything else.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: So it's funny you mentioned that. It's very funny. You
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: mentioned that there's a lot of people who have ESPN
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Plus and other apps strictly for that soccer, basketball, baseball, boxing,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: whatever it is. And we don't know it's gopen with
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: top rate ESPN going forward. You know, that's about the end,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: or is rumored to end. So yeah, I that being said, yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: it might not be a need for ESPN Plus, I
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: hear you.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I still am a little disappointed about the fact that
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: if top rankly leaves ESPN, there won't just be boxing
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: matches on a Saturday at a dive bar or a
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: sports bar with the TV just happens to be on
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that channel. But these days, I mean, if I bet you,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of places that have Netflix account for
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: their business, right and you just go in like everybody got.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: You don't need to feel business us need an account
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: because think about it, I'll we have smart TVs now,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: so it's not like back when there we got a
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: call direct TV or to fight. That way, if you
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: have a smart taty you to put your account in
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: and you're good.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I wonder if the the bar tearer Buffalo Wild Wings
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: will let me log into my Netflix when there's a
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: fight happening.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Why not?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Probably not, I'll tip well, I tip.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, they not word they don't want to see
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: what you be watching.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's a good way.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Trying to see all that. Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, I'm not saying I'm casting from my phone. Okay,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: that'd be that would be a problem.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not doing that either. We're not doing that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: But no, they will have ship together Buffalo Wild Wings
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: and other bars. They should be fine when it comes
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: to those options.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what happens. With with Brank going forward.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Uh So with that said, another thing about this fight.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Turkeyella Shikh, Saudi promoter, said that the Canelo Crawford fight
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: is enough of a big event that they don't need
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: other big names of the card. He said the other
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: fights for the night will be prospects, lesser known fighters
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: still early in their career. Now do we think that
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Turkey Yellow Shak actually believes this or is he just
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: trying to save money by paying the young tennies compared
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to what Canello and Crawford are getting. I think it's the.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Second one, so the money's not an issue with them,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: so I wouldn't. I'm not really worried about that. I
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: actually understand the reasoning is that it actually makes sense
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: for what they're doing. Now. I don't like it. I'd
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like to have a second fight on there that has
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: some guys on it. But if it doesn't, I understand
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the vision because remember there, from everything we've learned, it
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: feels like they're in boxing for the long haul. This
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: is not a quick flip. This is not a hey,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: We're going to make this big one, big fight and
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: run out. It feels like they're in this for long term.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And Dana White's involved, so it feels like they're going
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: to try to promote some guys we normally wouldn't see
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: on TV, which is fine. I think that's a good thing.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I think that's awesome thing, to be honest with you.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: So that's cool. Remember, my main issue with this, money
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: is not a problem. I think that if it was
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: a money thing, then we have a different conversation about
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: this whole thing. Money is not an issue though. It's
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: more of getting exposure for guys you normally wouldn't see
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: so you can make their next fight must watch TV.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I think fastest thing. So if you get four or
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: five fights of guys who normally don't see on TV,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you see him on TV,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: then you got action, right.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I kind of go back and forth on this. Well,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: first number one, I think having prospects on this major
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: fight is a great thing. I've said it before that
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: you know and you too, that we used to see
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: guys that are for now you know, hey to know
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and we need in order for boxing to survive, it's
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: got to get creative with its broadcasting, and it's got
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to make new fans, and it's got to have new
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: names that people are going to follow. We were kind
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: of like a broken record on this, so uh. But
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: at the same time, yeah, money may not be an
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: issue for the Saudis, but nothing is infinite. I don't know.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, like at some point you might you can't
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: just be bleeding cash. Plus we talked about the Times
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Square fight. It was a lot of money spent on
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that and they weren't tickets sold. They just had some friends.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: But but yeah, so I don't know. I don't know
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: how what that return on investment has looked like for
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the Saudis so far. They have but Turkey Ella Shak
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: has been putting together big cards and spending a lot
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of money on a lot of names. But where is
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: the growth? You know, I'm not seeing personally myself the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: growth yet. But this could be a long term strategy,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you know, get people hooked.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's more of a long term play.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I really do, because here's the thing. You wouldn't invest
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: as much money just to get this fight done and
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: then back out. It doesn't make any sense because you've
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: also invested money into other fights too, So it feels
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: like this the long term investment. It's boxing is also
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: a lot more international as well, so there'll be other
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: fights made down the pipe. So I think it's a
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: good situation regarding that. With all that being said, we
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: do need to see more young and upcoming fighters. We
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: need to see hungry guys. We need to see guys
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: that we wouldn't recognize if we didn't see them fighting.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of three Put it this way,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: everybody starts fighting at three pm. You don't just start
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: fighting at eight thirty pm local time, because you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: it don't work that way. Everybody starts somewhere. Every boxer
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: starts somewhere. Every boxers fight starts before the crowd's in there.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Some people start fighting, some people start fighting when there's
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: no one seated. But that's how you start. So we
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: got to start learning and they custom more and more names.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Like think about they about in the last five years,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: all the names that have and let's just say from
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: one thirty five to one seven, all the names of
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: the last five years have been all the same. They've
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: been all stale. We recycled all the same names. Hell,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: pak Yaw's coming back to fight. We don't need that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: We need new blood. Like the sport only gets better
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: when we have new blood involved.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Agreed. I think maybe a good strategy if the Saudis
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: are really in this for the long haul want to
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: make an investment is don't just make these you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: huge fights, huge names. Better be a fevol Canelo Crawford.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Start having smaller events with different names. Just say like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: this is our this is our version of Friday night fights. Uh,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Saudi night fights, and we're just having like eight guys
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you've never heard of and women, Uh maybe not with
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Saudi money, but coming up here. And then boxing fans
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: who just love watching matches, like you and me, we'll
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: tune in and we'll tell other people about it. Well,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of friends of mine that
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: don't care about boxing, but they'd be, like they've heard
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: me say, shag Her Stevenson, keep keep an ear out
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: for this young guy, you know, do a Bason, et cetera. Yeah,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: So that's how it's going to work. And I think
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: that it's a lot of chakunaw i guess with the
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: with Turkeyella Shakes involvement, But there's got to be a
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: smaller investment. Gotta plant some seats with these younger guys
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: that you want to keep them on the Saudi payroll,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the Saudi promotion.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: And you got the whole world watching. So this, this
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: is the only time you're gonna be able to do this.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: You can't do a random event with this. You got
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: everybody watching, So it's the best time to do.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It, right. Maybe they should take a que from let's see,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: maybe a promoter in the nineties who you know, signed
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like eight heavyweights, eight of the biggest known names at
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: one time and just had all these guys you know
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: under his his uh, his promotional company and just you know.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: What was the name of the company?
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm gonna have to look that up.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But anyway, how about we move on to the next
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: uh the next segment a recurring segment called pop Pugilism,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: in which we discussed a movie, TV show or documentary
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: about Bock and say we're talking about Oh, look at
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: this don King only in America, made for TV film
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: that aired on HBO in nineteen ninety seven, directed by
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: a guy named John Hurstfield who's directed absolutely nothing you've
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: heard of before. The film star is not just the man,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: but the god. Ving Raims as the notorious boxing promoter
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Don King. He's the guy I was talking about a
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: few minutes ago who had eight heavyweights under his promotional
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: company at one time. So if he didn't make that connection,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I got a love to say about this movie. But first, Jamison,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: what did you think about it?
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Man? So I actually remember it when it came out,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I'm watching it several times. I watched it recently. It
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: told the story from the person's perspective, not necessarily lie.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: So whatever moves are like that, I prefer personally someone
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: a third party telling the story. Sure, I personally prefer
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: that having someone tell their own story is interesting because
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: you know they're telling from perspective that quite covering everything.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: But with that being said, it was cool. I mean,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: he's Don Kings in a lot of boxing, man. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: like you mentioned, when the heavy right division was the
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: you know King of boxing and the crim Dela Krim,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: he had all the guys, and you know, for the
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: most parts, he had all the guys. Now, they may
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: not have been happy at that time. They may have
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: had some issues, they made, have some grievances and disputes,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: but he had all the guys and he was known
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: for being with winners. He was known for hey, if
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: you're if you got knocked out another flight of one,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: he would step over you and go sub as the winner.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: So it was very fascinating. However, the reason why I
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: always always preach on this show is that there's no
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: rules in boxing. It's not because of Don King, Like
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: he didn't have no college background. It was no sports
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: management degree, it was no uh, it was another It
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: was like, all right, well I kind of stumbled into
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: this and next thing you know, he's in boxing, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: he random sport. So that's why I always say, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: boxing is very random, man. This is a big part
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely, well let's start here. I love this movie.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I was in the right mood for a throwback, in
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the right mood for a nineties HBO original film. These
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: things are low budget but not cheap, if that makes sense, yep,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And they have a particular feel. Look all that, you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I I love I love going to the movie theater.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite things to do. You know,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I'm big on physical media and you know, have a
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: giant TV watching. You know, movies start to finish, but
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: movies like this kind of feel like they were meant
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to be caught through channel surfing. You know what I mean, right,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: channel surfing. I made me nostalgic for channel surfing back
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: in the day, trying to find something, you know, Saturday night.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Oh look, here's HBO. There's a horror movie that's already
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes in. Whatever. Let's put your feet up and
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: you know, watch the rest of it. Kind of a thing.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: It's a lost art, even for myself because I don't
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: have I don't pay for you know, cable, I do
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: all the streaming stuff. So this movie just kind of,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: like I said, it hit at the right time. Ving's
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: performance as Don King legendary. Honestly, I would say probably
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: his best performance based on all the ones that I
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: can think of off the top of my head. He
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: is so different from how he usually is in roles.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing was the voice. If you listen to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Big Dames talk, he's man, He's got the deep, deep,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: gravelly voice. He's doing the very dunkin kind of nasally
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: kind of you know, upbeat blah blah blah. He's dancing around,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: he's he's like shaking his shoulders and it was just
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: so it was so fun to watch and as somebody
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: who's been watching Big Raames pretty much all my life.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, I was blown away that I hadn't
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: heard of this performance. I hadn't heard I feel like
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I've heard of this movie but never watched it. If
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I did, I didn't remember any of it. But it's
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: got a really good cast, you know, Vondi Curtis hall Is,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Lloyd Price, a singer who introduced King Nahali helped promote
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Rumble in the Jungle, was involved in the concert. We
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: talked about a couple episodes episodes ago when we talked
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: about the documentary when we were Kings, you got Keith
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: David in here, you got Bernie Mack as Ali's trainer.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: But Nitie Brown, you know the coolest thing about this movie.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: So now for this show, we've seen Ali, We've seen
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Big George Foreman, we saw when we were Kings, the documentary,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: and now this movie. All of those involved the Rumble
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: in the Jungle as a very very important event. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: it's like pieces of a puzzle, puzzle being put together, right.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: It's like you're seeing different perspectives, different takes on the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: same event. It's like it's like cover songs of the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: different covers in the same song, and it's really cool.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And I like seeing you know, the same events stage
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: differently filmed different with different actors. It felt really cool.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how much of this movie is
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: actually true. Like you said, when you have the guy
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: telling his own story, it's gonna pull the punches. But
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: even this, I was surprised that they were they were letting,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: they were allowing the character of Don King to come
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: off as a scumbag in a lot of ways in
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: this movie.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: But but also here's the thing too, So Don King
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: was a black man in a white man industry. There
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of black owned boxing promotion companies.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: So even if he did allow someone else to tell
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: his story, and there's a chance that would have, wasn't
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: gonna be done well. So I understand the situation. I
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: get it. He was he wasn't supposed to be there.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: But that being said, you know, he's a very fascinating guy.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: But again, the reason why I always tell people boxing
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: is a different entity altogether is because there's no rules.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: There's really no rules, like you will have to go
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: to court and get your money, you will have to
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: lose your composure, give what you need. You will have
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: to be strong in order to survive in this industry.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: That's just how it goes. And Don King ain't not
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: dive from the bob Aram. They're all the same. They're
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: all the same, like, they're all the like. You can't
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, the thing, the problem I have with
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: boxing is people will vilify one and applaud the other. True,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: and they're both. They're all the same. They're all do
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: the same stuff. Like you can't argue that they're all grinding.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: They all do certain things the boxers, so me, in
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: my opinion, with everything like that, I appreciate Don King
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: for the opportunities hate gave a lot of guys and whatnot.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I wish things could have ended differently with certain people.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I wish there are the business stuff would have been
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: handled smoothly because being black, we get a bad connotation
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: of doing business, so I wish he would have handed
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: that a little bit cleaner. However, at the same time,
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: he go only do so much, and you got a
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: guy like Mike Tyson who is out of control. And
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I can't put Mike Tyson's emotional issues and mental issues
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: on Don King. However, I do know Don King probably
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: got over on my tyson once once or two times,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: and it's just how it goes. But all in all,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Don King the film was dope, and Don King deserves
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: as flowers.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Sure, but he deserves criticism too for bilk nobody.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Let's make sure everybody assuming you you're doing something wrong.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: If everybody got to take you to court or everyone
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: gotta lose their compose, you get the brand from you,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: it's eventually a you problem.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we need to definitely give Don
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: King as flowers for what he did, but let's make
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: sure that we're balanced here, and you know, being clear
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: that he screwed over a lot of fighters h and
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: you know, charge them for every little thing for lodging,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: for towels or you know, they got a pittance of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: what they should have made. And you know, and he
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: was a comment, you know, through and through. I did
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: like that the movie showed how there's a lot of
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: racial issues in this movie, a lot of talk about race,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: which you know, we appreciate because that's what the show started.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: As it's having these hard conversations. You know, he would
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: tell black fighters, you know, nobody's gonna support you like
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: another black man you know, he told Ernie Shavers, you
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: know this guy whatever he's he's a Jewish guy. I'm black,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be better treated by me. H. He Also
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: he was a chameleon. You know, when he talked to Ali,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: he immediately brought up Allah, and you know, he would
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: tell he would always find a way in with the fighter.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: And yes, absolutely he was a comment. But also he
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: was always going to be less trusted because he was
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: not a white man. Let's be real about it.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: That part and his stature, the way he carried himself,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: it was a lot. He was a lot to deal with,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: but all and although that being said, he was just
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: the first person to operate a certain way. And when
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: people don't like the first person that does something, so
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: when they see somebody an outsider doing what they've been doing,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: they're like, wait, wait, wait a minute, you're and the
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: boxes he had at the time or over time, he
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: had a lot of great cash cows. So people were
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: looking at it like, wait a minute, you're messing. You're
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: stepping on our business now. So no one likes that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: But yes, there's a lot of issues. Again, if everybody's
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: sewing you, you don't want some city shouldn't you know
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, if they basically got a class
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: action suit against you for your business practices, then yeah, man,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: like things ain't really right. But with all that being said,
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: he was good for the sport. He gave people that opportunity.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: He kept guys busy, so you know, I can't necessarily
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: fault him, and he's part of the reason why guys
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: will fight so much, Like part of Tyson fighting a
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: bunch of times back in that time was dude, you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Don King. So those are things that I wish we
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: kind of had nowadays, but everything's so corporate now and
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: guys are socially awkward. I don't think we'll ever get
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: back to that ever again.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: No question. So we remember seeing Don King on TV
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: for our entire lives, you know, and you know, I
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: remember the look, the hair, the own blah blah blah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: But I never knew until I was like way older
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: as an adult. You know, the stories of him, you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: shady dealings, being con man, this and that, all the lawsuits.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So what do you know, Like, what was the public's
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: perception on Don King for ALTA? Did they know this
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: these kinds of things or was he just like, this
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: is the boxing guy, and that stuff came out later.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: I just have no no reference.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: We knew Don King as a boxing promoter. Boxing fans
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: and sports fans knew him as a shady promoter. So
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: he again, he was a guy that was the loud
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: guy with a lot of funny phrases, antidotes and all
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: that stuff. But if you were just a general sports fan,
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: you didn't know the ins and outs of what he
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: did or the issues he had unless it was Mike Tyson.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Because back in the nineties and of the two thousands,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson was breaking news. Whatever Mike Tyson did was
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: breaking news. Everyone wanted to find out about Tyson, this
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Tyson that. So he was involved in a lot of
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: those things. With that being said, the casual fandit know
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: all the details, but they knew him as a very
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: popular guy with the hair and being woud and being
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: every fight, et cetera, et cetera. And he always had
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: a us A flag, which is a very smart move
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: by him.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Right, And our producer Jabari just reminded me that it
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: was widespread by the time of Rocky five. He says
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: they made the character based on him in ninety one,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: which is a very good point. I remember the promoter
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and that I forget what the character is supposed to be,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: but didn't. Was it his catchphrase something like only the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: USA or something like that. Yeah, like that. It's just
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: like it's like you, I don't know, but that I.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Mean, he's going the Simpsons, He's been in other like
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: they've hell, the right white hype is basically about don king,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's yeah, yeah, that's that's on our list
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: for future pop pugilism segments. So we'll be getting to
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that eventually. But yeah, So another thing about the availability
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: of this movie. So apparently it's not on HBO Max
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: and a lot of the HBO nineties Made for TV
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: films are not on there, and I can't I couldn't
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: find like a physical media release. Our producer sent us
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: that bitch on YouTube looking fuzzy as hell. That's how
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: that's how I watch it.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Don't know about you.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to look forward on some of my
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: say gray market streaming services.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Nothing to be found.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, I have a giant TV. It
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: really looked like I was watching it on a little
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: square piece of crap from back in the day with
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the little buttons on them, with the VCR attached to it.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: So all of that kind of, like I said, kind
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: of brought me back. But I think these movies should
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: be brought back for either streaming or you know, release
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: them on on DVD. You don't, you don't have to
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: get a fancy four K release, you know, let the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: let these movies live, bring them back, let them breathe.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: We need educational purposes. We need films for educational purposes.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: There's not enough. There's too many young people that don't know.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: They just don't know, and things aren't available so they'll
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: never know. But we need more of those available for sure.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: Sure I'll take a chance to shout out a couple
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: of my favorite physical media boutiques. Keino Larber Releases releases
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of lesser known, kind of somewhat classic movies
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: you know on disc, Blu Ray four K, and Erro
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: video too. There's a lot of cool shit that they
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: find restore and Vinegar Syndrome. If you're looking for some
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: weird ship from when you know we were kids and
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you saw something on TV, some weird horror movie or
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: crazy action movie. These places, find those things, restore them,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and put them out for the people. So you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I'm a strong believer in physical media because we can't
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: lose these honestly, like film is art and these are
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: historical important, historically important things, and we should we should
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: make sure that they're out there. So shout out to
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: whoever the hell put a VHS copy of Don King
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Only in America on YouTube. You're you're You're my hero.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: But hopefully, you know, we get to see these things
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: released in better quality. So here we rate our movies,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: our TV shows out of four gloves. Jamison, how would
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: you rate the film Don King Only in America?
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: It'd be four of The stream was better, but nah, okay,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: all in all, I would say three point five. Man,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: it was. It was well done. Again it told the
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: story from the first person, the first party, so that's
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: always interesting. But all in all it was it was
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: really good film, very good film. Again seeing it seeing
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: it and it's time original time and seeing it now
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: is way different. But yeah, I'll say three point five.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Sure, and I think it holds up. I'd go three
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: point six sixty six because we were talking about Don
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: King the con Man, but it's a really fun movie,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: had a good time ving Raim's phenomenal performance. And yes,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: if you were interested in this and you got YouTube
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: and you don't mind looking at a really shitty stream,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: check it out.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely all right.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Last thing before we get out of here, we got
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: to mail that question on Twitter from the Mojo King.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Loyal loyal follower, appreciate you, mojo King. It's a question
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: that we've talked about before, not my favorite who wins
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: between such and such and system such? The question from
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: him is Prime Frasier versus Prime Tyson. Now, before we answer,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I've said before that I don't like doing the historical
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: stuff so much because there's so many actual fights we
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: can talk about that could possibly happen, and that's what
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I like discussing more. We we could talk about what
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: could happen if Telfia Malope has fought Abdulla Mason. That's
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: something I'm more excited to talk about. But hey, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: shout out to the Mojo King from the nineteen Media
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: group family and we'll answer that for you absolutely. So
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: you got any thoughts on this, because because I think
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I know who I choose.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Are we fighting seventies rules or eighties nineties rules.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Let's see, let's do let's put the difference. Let's say
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: eighties rules.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: So fifteen round fight, Yeah, Fraser Fraser.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Because Fraser is gonna avoid getting hit with the big punch,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: and the longer the fight goes, I'd probably favor him.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: If you if here's the thing, it's this, it's a
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: class of styles. The defensive guy, if you can avoid
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: getting hit with the big punch, the longer the fight goes,
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: it favors him. If it's a shorter fight with faster pace,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: favors Tyson. If you say eighties rules and at the
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: fifteen round fight, the longer the fight goes, it, I'll
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: take Fraser. However, if Mike gets him, he gets him,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: and he's able to knock him out, then it's all
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: she rode. But if I had to like forecast a fight,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: like I had to judge a fight within that predict
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: the knockout of the actual fight fight, I'd probably have
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: to go with Fraser. But if we're just saying, like
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: who would I prefer, And if it's just a fight
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: and Mike can get him, than I to pick Mike.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: But I think that if I had, like predict how
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: a fight would go, and the defensive skills of Joe
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Fraser being able to kind of confuse Mike and not
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: allow him to land that one big punch that I'd
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: probably go with Fraser.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I'd go Fraser as well for the reasons you said
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: of defense, but also let's not forget Fraser definitely move forward.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: He definitely could be the aggressor. And that's the thing
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: about Mike is once they figured once opponents figured out
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: that you could throw him off his game by making
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: him move backward. That was all she wrote for Mike.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: So I think that combined with the stamina for fifteen rounds,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: the defensive skills Fraser could definitely block an uppercut, which is,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you know, the thing that just fucking killed guys that
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Mike Tyson killed guys with. Yes, plus Fraser's persistence in
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: moving forward and overwhelming other fighters, I think I would
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: go Fraser for for those mostly the last one. Like
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, you just have to not be
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: terrified if Mike Tyson and I say that, like it's
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: fucking easy being a fat guy here talking to a microphone,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: and I mean as the heavyweight fighter in the rig
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: with him. You have to not be terrified and you
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: have to make make him fight your fight is how
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I would put it, and I think Fraser would have
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: done that. So yeah, with this question, I would go
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: I would go frasier between between the two of them.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: So thank you very much to the mojo king over
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. Really appreciate that. And then we all have
• 56:31
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• 56:36
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• 56:39
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• 56:42
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• 56:45
  Speaker 2: before we leave, where can people find you on social media?
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: On Twitter? At the Jamison always on there? It's pretty cool.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: I miss the big boxing powwows you say on there.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I know the the app is not the same as
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: it used to, so we don't get the same love
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: on there that we used to when Big fives came on.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: But on there for now, we'll see. I might go
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: to Blue Social or Blue Sky whatever it's called, sooner later,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: but for right now, I'm on Twitter at the moment.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Cool. It's blue Sky, dammit, that's what it is. Yeah
• 57:16
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