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Mark Devlin & Ryder Lee Discuss Secret Gifted Children · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: So I'm chatting today with a previous guest in this series.
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  Speaker 1: It's the documentary filmmaker at the United States, Ryder Lee.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, brother.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, Mark?
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me on, brother. I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: you got a chance to watch the new film. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: So we linked in early 2024 when you featured me
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  Speaker 1: in your film, A Clockwork Shining, which was re-examining Stanley
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  Speaker 1: Kubrick's The Shining, which has been endlessly analyzed through the decades.
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  Speaker 1: But your approach was looking at it differently to what
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  Speaker 1: anyone had previously, which was asking whether or positing that
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  Speaker 1: the film was actually about the CIA's MKUltra mind control
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  Speaker 1: program and that Stanley Kubrick was revealing great secrets through
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  Speaker 1: the narrative of that film. And that was produced in
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  Speaker 1: conjunction with Jay Widener, who was a part of things.
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  Speaker 1: And I was one of the featured talking heads on that.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely appreciate you getting me on to talk about
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  Speaker 1: my research into MKUltra. This latest film that you have out,
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  Speaker 1: Psychic Agent, the GATE program, seems to go a lot
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  Speaker 1: further into mind control, looking at areas like remote viewing
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  Speaker 1: and the militarization, the weaponization of psychic abilities by the
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  Speaker 1: military and the state and the CIA and various other agencies.
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  Speaker 1: So first off, do you want to let people know
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  Speaker 1: what inspired you to want to make this film? Was
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  Speaker 1: it stuff that you uncovered for A Clockwork Shining that
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  Speaker 1: made you think, oh, there's another documentary to be made here?
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  Speaker 1: Or is this stuff that you always had an interest in?
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  Speaker 3: That's a really solid question. And I think that the
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  Speaker 3: way that it went was sort of the way that
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  Speaker 3: my research kind of went out, you know, like starting
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  Speaker 3: with JFK X, solving the crime of the century with
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  Speaker 3: Jay Widener, and then a clockwork shining the movie that
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  Speaker 3: you were a part of. And then it goes into
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  Speaker 3: this remote viewing stuff, because that's kind of the way
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  Speaker 3: that my research started around five years ago now, that's
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  Speaker 3: where I really started was into like, you know, that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of where everyone really starts is kind of with JFK.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You're like, what really happened
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  Speaker 3: with JFK? What's actually going on there? And then you
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  Speaker 3: start getting into, you know, MK ultra stuff. And, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you didn't get into nine 11, uh, first,
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  Speaker 3: that was one of the first things that, uh, in
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  Speaker 3: 2008 with the film zeitgeist and loose change was one
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  Speaker 3: of the first things that, uh, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 3: opened my mind to everything that's going on. But see,
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  Speaker 3: I think that there comes a point, Mark, where people...
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  Speaker 3: There's a line that people won't really cross. Like, for instance...
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  Speaker 3: The other day I made a video and we discussed
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  Speaker 3: this whenever you were on my show about Tupac, right?
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  Speaker 3: And how Tupac was essentially groomed for his role as
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  Speaker 3: a rapper to influence an entire generation. He was an actor, right?
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  Speaker 3: And he went to this prestigious gifted program called the
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  Speaker 3: Baltimore School for the Arts. And I made a short
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  Speaker 3: video about this and posted it all over my social
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  Speaker 3: medias and stuff. And this really pissed a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people off for some reason. On social media, of course.
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  Speaker 3: I think some of my YouTube audience gets a little confused.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes I have a pretty big social media following, around
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  Speaker 3: 200K followers between all my profiles. So if you're on
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  Speaker 3: YouTube and you're like, where are all these hateful comments
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  Speaker 3: that you're receiving? It's on social media, okay? It's almost like,
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  Speaker 3: you can cross a line sometimes that you didn't even aware,
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  Speaker 3: you weren't even aware that you were kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: you can talk about all the MK ultra stuff. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever come into contact with
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  Speaker 3: anything quite like this, but I was really surprised and
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  Speaker 3: kind of taken back by it because you can get
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  Speaker 3: into the MK ultra stuff, like, you know, back in
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  Speaker 3: the sixties and back in the seventies and stuff. But
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  Speaker 3: when you start inching it closer to the time that
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  Speaker 3: we're kind of currently in is starting when you get
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  Speaker 3: a lot more pushback than when you're talking about the
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  Speaker 3: CIA infiltration into the rock and roll. Like everyone kind
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  Speaker 3: of accepts that now and how the CIA was basically
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  Speaker 3: responsible for the LSD and, and pushing the hippie movement
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  Speaker 3: and then destroying the hippie movement by, uh, the anti-war
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  Speaker 3: movement by starting the hippie movement. You know, like you
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  Speaker 3: can talk about that and that's like a commonly accepted thing.
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  Speaker 3: Even So far as to the crack epidemic and the
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  Speaker 3: drug epidemic, people will believe that that was ran by
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  Speaker 3: the CIA to destroy the nuclear family, but not when
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  Speaker 3: you bring up Tupac, Mark. It's a completely different monster
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  Speaker 3: when you bring up Tupac, okay? And I got the
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  Speaker 3: same type of thing from everyone, right? And it kind
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  Speaker 3: of felt like a broken record on Tupac. People in
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  Speaker 3: the comment sections, they were like, Because I kind of said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Tupac wasn't a gangster. He was an actor,
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  Speaker 3: which is verifiably true. Anybody that takes five seconds of
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  Speaker 3: research online can realize that he was an actor and
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I did a Patreon video on this just the other
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  Speaker 1: week to mark the 30th anniversary of his death. And
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  Speaker 1: I uncovered this footage of him in the early 90s
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  Speaker 1: in Baltimore when he was studying at the Performing Arts
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  Speaker 1: Academy there in his little ballet vest. And he's very
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  Speaker 1: effeminate and very softly spoken. And very far from the
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  Speaker 1: thug gangster persona that he came out with a few
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  Speaker 1: years later. So you're right. It was all an act,
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  Speaker 1: but people don't like to hear it. And you would
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  Speaker 1: think that was 30 years ago, but that's still not
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  Speaker 1: a safe enough distance. It seems you have to wait
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  Speaker 1: like 50 or 60 years to be able to talk
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  Speaker 1: about things without everyone getting upset.
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  Speaker 3: I was really shocked by the response, Mark. And it
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  Speaker 3: was like, he never called himself a gangster. he shot
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  Speaker 3: two cops. That's the most gangster thing that you could
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  Speaker 3: ever possibly do. And I was like, do you even
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  Speaker 3: understand what you just said right there? Why are you
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  Speaker 3: idolizing a man who shot two cops? First off, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, keep idolizing people that were used to demoralize
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  Speaker 3: an entire generation, right? And see how much better things get.
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  Speaker 3: You're glorifying a lifestyle that's been used by the government
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  Speaker 3: to keep people suppressed to fund the prison industrial complex.
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  Speaker 3: The United States is the most incarcerated country on the planet.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that that's a coincidence? The cops weren't
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  Speaker 3: in uniform, by the way, Mark. He didn't know that
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  Speaker 3: they were cops.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were off duty.
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  Speaker 3: When he shot them, right? It's like you should probably
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  Speaker 3: defend your freedom as much as you defend actors and
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  Speaker 3: dead musicians, right? And I feel kind of sad that
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  Speaker 3: for these people, you know, that they're so emotionally attached
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  Speaker 3: to this person that they've never even met, that it's
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  Speaker 3: so attached that it's just become a part of their identity.
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  Speaker 3: They should literally put this much You would think that
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  Speaker 3: I got on there and just started personally attacking every
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  Speaker 3: single one of these people. And but they should put
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  Speaker 3: this much energy in defending some people that they actually know.
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  Speaker 3: They should probably all just be lawyers because they're really
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  Speaker 3: good at defending people. And it's just it's just mind
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  Speaker 3: boggling to me. And I thought that this was a
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  Speaker 3: commonly accepted thing. And you're right. Like how much time
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  Speaker 3: needs to pass? before we can start talking about this
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  Speaker 3: stuff and before it becomes commonly accepted. And I thought
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  Speaker 3: that this was already commonly accepted. I didn't think that
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  Speaker 3: I was saying anything new. In fact, I knew that
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't saying anything new because me and you had
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  Speaker 3: talked about it over two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Seems you really touched a nerve there. And there just
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  Speaker 1: comes a point sometimes where those comments have to get
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  Speaker 1: turned off. I had to disable comments or I chose
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  Speaker 1: to disable comments on a video that I put out
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  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago about the weaponization of immigration,
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  Speaker 1: because it's a very clear agenda. Definitely happening here in
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  Speaker 1: the UK. Documentation from verifiable sources to prove that this
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  Speaker 1: is an agenda. But I knew that certain people were
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  Speaker 1: going to get triggered and it would lead to a
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  Speaker 1: shit storm in the comments and people would be wanting
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  Speaker 1: to argue for weeks and weeks and weeks about it.
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  Speaker 1: So those comments got turned off. There comes a point
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  Speaker 1: where you just want to make a statement, put information out,
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  Speaker 1: People can deal with it as they choose. If they
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  Speaker 1: want to get triggered by it, then get triggered as
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  Speaker 1: long as it's on their own time in their own space.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it comes to sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think that the whole immigration thing is?
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  Speaker 3: Because it seems like it's not only happening in the UK,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of happening everywhere all at the exact same time.
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  Speaker 3: And it seems like it's a way to completely collapse
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  Speaker 3: the whole system. What do you think is actually going
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  Speaker 3: on with that? Do you think that that's like, what
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  Speaker 3: do you think is the end goal? I guess is the.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I won't get too far off on that tangent, but, um,
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  Speaker 1: my guests, Lance and Andy of rise above life, who
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  Speaker 1: I was doing the show with, uh, presented documentation about
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  Speaker 1: the so-called clergy plan. This guy, uh, count Richard Vaughn,
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  Speaker 1: held and Hove clergy, who was half Austrian, Austro-Hungarian and
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  Speaker 1: half Japanese. And he wrote a book in 1925, just
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  Speaker 1: over 100 years ago, called Practical Idealism in German, where
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  Speaker 1: he talked about this elite plan to deliberately genetically water
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  Speaker 1: down the European white Caucasian race and create what he
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  Speaker 1: referred to as a Negroid Eurasian race. And the plan
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  Speaker 1: was to basically breed what we would call white people
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  Speaker 1: out of existence in society over a very prolonged period
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  Speaker 1: of time. And that's what the immigration programs that we
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  Speaker 1: can see happening in so many nations now are really
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  Speaker 1: all about. It's not about granting asylum to refugees and
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  Speaker 1: political asylum seekers and such. It's about deliberately culturally subverting
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  Speaker 1: nations and at a genetic dna level to create a
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  Speaker 1: hybrid race which is completely controllable and programmable and uh
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  Speaker 1: just creating complete detachedness from what was there previously genetically
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  Speaker 1: ancestrally culturally that's what it is and people hate to
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  Speaker 1: hear it but in this show all the documentation you
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  Speaker 1: could ever need was presented and you know all about
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  Speaker 1: this you're a filmmaker You have to provide citations and sources.
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  Speaker 1: That's what any professional researcher does. Otherwise, people will accuse
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  Speaker 1: you of just making it up. And people may well
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  Speaker 1: be just making it up if they can't provide the documentation.
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  Speaker 1: But when you've got the sources, when you've got actual
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  Speaker 1: documents and actual books and you can timestamp them and
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  Speaker 1: you can verify where they came from, it becomes undeniable.
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  Speaker 1: You can still get upset if you want, but you
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  Speaker 1: can't deny that it's an agenda. So like I say,
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  Speaker 1: I won't get too far off down that tangent but
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  Speaker 1: uh that was the crux of what we talked about
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  Speaker 1: on that show.
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  Speaker 3: It also feels like a giant and this ties in
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  Speaker 3: this ties in with the the subject here that we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about because it also seems like a giant mk
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  Speaker 3: ultra operation based off of the amount of people that
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  Speaker 3: have been uh like sexual acts uh i think this
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  Speaker 3: is probably the best way for the censors to say
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  Speaker 3: it has been performed unwillingly on a lot of young
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  Speaker 3: females in these other countries by immigrants. And that is
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  Speaker 3: a big MKUltra technique. And it seems like that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of they want to induce that type of trauma. Because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as the movie Psychic Agent, the gay program.
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  Speaker 2: Is about, you know, around half of it is about.
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  Speaker 3: Children and the traumatization of children and what was going
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  Speaker 3: on in public school and how they were essentially being
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  Speaker 3: MKUltra'd in. This also gets into A Clockwork Shining as
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  Speaker 3: well with, because we talk about Dr. Ewan Cameron in
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  Speaker 3: A Clockwork Shining and what he was doing in Canada
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  Speaker 3: to essentially mind control people, this de-patterning, this way to
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  Speaker 3: go in and basically reprogram somebody's mind through trauma and
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  Speaker 3: through drugging. It's the exact same thing that people remember
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  Speaker 3: happening to them within public school and these gifted and
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  Speaker 3: talented education programs is, Essentially the exact same thing. They're
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  Speaker 3: being told to take a substance. They don't know what
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  Speaker 3: the substance is. They're told that it's different things. The
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  Speaker 3: pink drink, some people remember it as an orange drink.
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  Speaker 3: Different people were told different things based off of where
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  Speaker 3: they lived, of what the medication was for. But it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of been deduced that it's some sort of... drug,
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  Speaker 3: some form of hallucinogenic drug. Then they're then taken out
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  Speaker 3: of the classroom. Then they put these headphones on with
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  Speaker 3: these weird frequencies. It's exactly like what Hugh and Cameron
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  Speaker 3: was doing. That's what it was called psychic driving. He
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  Speaker 3: would put a looped, repeated audio message in headphones. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we show the footage in a in A Clockwork Shining
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  Speaker 3: of him doing that. And that was to reprogram the
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  Speaker 3: mind to make them believe something that happened that didn't happen,
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  Speaker 3: or it could be the opposite way around. So when
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  Speaker 3: you put all these things together, you're seeing a carried
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  Speaker 3: out version upon an entire generation of kids, maybe going
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  Speaker 3: back to even the 40s, the mid 40s, with a
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  Speaker 3: program that we talk about in the movie called the
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  Speaker 3: Indian Lake Project in upstate New York, where this possibly
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  Speaker 3: could have been a giant military operation. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: mind control goes back even further than some, you go
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  Speaker 3: back into the thirties as well with, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it just didn't happen during world war two. And then
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  Speaker 3: it just didn't happen in the United States. It's been
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  Speaker 3: something that's been, been being done for a really long
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  Speaker 3: time and the study of mind control operations. So I
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  Speaker 3: do see this, uh, this immigration thing as a form of,
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  Speaker 3: like mind control and traumatization upon people that otherwise wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be getting that traumatization any other way.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Well, maybe I didn't go off on too much
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  Speaker 1: of a tangent then. Maybe these subjects are related because
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  Speaker 1: when you put it like that, it does come across
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  Speaker 1: as an extension of MKUltra in many ways. It's societal
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  Speaker 1: conditioning and through mind control, through driving the way people
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  Speaker 1: think and people's attitudes and stuff, which is why people
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  Speaker 1: get so triggered. Mainly, I feel people get triggered because
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  Speaker 1: they've been programmed to get triggered. They've been basically instructed
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  Speaker 1: in how to think and how to view situations. So
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  Speaker 1: from that point of view, yes, it is MKUltra. So
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  Speaker 1: all these things are, I guess, ultimately connected. So just
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  Speaker 1: bringing it back to your film then and the main
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  Speaker 1: points you're making through that. Through the work I've done
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  Speaker 1: into the music industry and popular culture and entertainment, I've
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  Speaker 1: shown that oftentimes people get selected for prominent roles purely
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  Speaker 1: as a product of the families they happen to be
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  Speaker 1: born into, and often it's military families. The offspring of
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  Speaker 1: military personnel get put forward for these roles, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: as an actor or a TV presenter or a singer
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  Speaker 1: or a politician. But it seems there's another way children
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  Speaker 1: get specially selected for these public roles. And that's through
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  Speaker 1: what you alluded to there, which is this program for
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  Speaker 1: gifted and talented individuals, gifted and talented children who are
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  Speaker 1: identified in the public school system early on and kept
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  Speaker 1: an eye on and groomed and then ushered into these
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  Speaker 1: positions of influence later on in their lives. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of your film talks about this. So Are the
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  Speaker 1: Gate Program, Project Gateway, and Stargate all related? Because they've
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  Speaker 1: all got the Gate bit in their names. Do they
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  Speaker 1: all kind of tie into each other, or are they
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  Speaker 1: separate entities there?
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  Speaker 3: They are separate entities. They are separate programs, and... I
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  Speaker 3: can see where some people.
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  Speaker 1: They just happen to have gate in the names.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. I can see where some people would get
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  Speaker 3: that confused. And, you know, not a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: have really had that big of an issue with it.
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  Speaker 3: Because I think we really show a distinction between all
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  Speaker 3: of the programs within the movie. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 3: clear distinction between all of them.
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  Speaker 2: You have.
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  Speaker 3: the Stargate, which is the remote viewing unit. It wasn't
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  Speaker 3: always called Stargate. It went through many different name changes
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  Speaker 3: and different three-letter organizations were involved in the study and
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  Speaker 3: the research. And then the eventual unit at Fort Meade,
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  Speaker 3: Maryland ran by DIA, the Army Intelligence, and then back
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  Speaker 3: to DIA. And then it was supposed to be sent
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  Speaker 3: to the CIA in 1995.
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  Speaker 2: But then they said that.
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  Speaker 3: No intelligence data had ever been collected, so they shut
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  Speaker 3: the program down, which is a complete lie. You can
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  Speaker 3: just look through the documents and see that that was
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  Speaker 3: a giant lie. But then you have the gateway experience,
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  Speaker 3: which is the Robert Monroe gateway tapes, which people have
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  Speaker 3: been confused about the Robert Monroe experience. gateway experience for
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  Speaker 3: a long time people have believed that they were a
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  Speaker 3: part of the stargate army military unit when they were
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  Speaker 3: actually in the gateway experience the robert monroe gateway experience
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  Speaker 3: which you can go to right now if you wanted
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  Speaker 3: to go and have an out-of-body experience i mean they
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  Speaker 3: won't claim or tell you that you'll 100 for sure
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  Speaker 3: have an out-of-body experience but your chances of having one
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  Speaker 3: are dramatically increased if you go to the Monroe Institute
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  Speaker 3: and have these, you know, take the course at the
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  Speaker 3: Monroe Institute. You're more than likely, you have a better
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  Speaker 3: chance of getting outside of your body if you go
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  Speaker 3: there and you actually take the course. Then you have
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  Speaker 3: the GATE program. gifted and talented education which some of
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  Speaker 3: the first documented records of this happened in the early
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  Speaker 3: 60s with this program called mgm mentally gifted minors and
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  Speaker 3: this comes out of california and walter bosley which is
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  Speaker 3: in the movie he was also in a clockwork shining
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  Speaker 3: along with yourself uh Was in this this program, and
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  Speaker 3: then he was the son of Air Force individual and
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  Speaker 3: his dad was in the Air Force, a high ranking
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  Speaker 3: Air Force officer. And, you know, he talks about that
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  Speaker 3: a lot within the movie and how that's connected and
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  Speaker 3: how he believes that he was essentially groomed for his
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  Speaker 3: role later on working with the intelligence community and counterintelligence
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: and working as a special investigator for the Air Force.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So you're 100% right. And how these two connect are
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that that's a what was happening. So if you go
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: back to the what we were talking about in a
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Clockwork Shining documentary, which you should be able to watch
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: for free online, by the way, on Tubi or Amazon,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: and you can also watch psychic agent the gate program
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: on Amazon Prime. Now it's available in the UK. is
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: it started with the sons and daughters of military personnel.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: And We talk about that a lot. And that's where
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of your research comes from, you know, out
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: of Laurel Canyon and how a lot of these big
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: musical acts all had family ties back to the military
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: industrial complex. They were pretty much everybody. And it's really
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: shocking whenever you make those connections. But that's essentially what
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: was going on. It's exactly like With what was happening
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: there where they were using the children of military personnel,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: they also started using the children of military personnel within
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: these gate programs. Northrop Grumman had a gate program school
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: just right outside of, I mean, Northrop Grumman is literally
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: the place where the military creates all of its weapons,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: develops all of the military weapons that happens in Northrop Grumman.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: And Danny Sheehan, which is a big-time UFO investigator, he's
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: on the lecturing circuit of all the UFO conferences. He's
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: known as the UFO lawyer. He had come out just
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: around a month ago and talked about how at Northrop Grumman,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: there was this gate program school that was essentially drugging
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: kids of... military personnel to unlock their psychic abilities in
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: order to connect with reverse engineered UFOs that the government
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: had created to psychically connect with them. And that's not
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: too far of a stretch because there are real documentation
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: of adult psychic abilities. Remote viewers that have reportedly connected
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: with UFOs and able to control them and maneuver them
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and manipulate them with their mind. I mean, this kind
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of goes back to the whole Bob Lazar thing. That's
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: kind of like there's no controls in these crafts. You know,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: it's controlled by the individuals and the occupants mind. You know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: there's not any physical controls in there that you can
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: maneuver the craft around in. And that might seem like
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: a really big stretch, but I think that all this
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: stuff is 100% connected. But yeah, the differences in the programs,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: but the connections are, is that the Monroe Institute gateway
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: experience is connected to the Stargate remote viewing unit at
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Fort Meade because the remote viewing unit at Fort Meade,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: some of the Army personnel were sent to the Monroe
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Institute by General Stubblebine. to study under Robert Monroe to
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: find out if getting outside of your body is a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: way to a more valid way of being able to
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: remote view. And then whenever you ask some of the
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: remote viewers like Lynn Buchanan and Angela Ford, which are
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: confirmed psychic remote viewers for the army and the DIA,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: which are in the movie psychic agent, the gate program,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: what is the most advanced form of remote viewing? They
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: tell you that it's being outside of your body. So
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: then you connect that with, and they had the access
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: at Fort Meade to the Monroe Institute gateway tapes. They
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: had them all there. Lynn Buchanan says that in the movie.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: So then when you connect the Monroe Institute gateway tapes
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: to the gateway, the gifted and talented education in public school,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: this is what triggered a lot of people online was
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: hearing The Monroe Institute Gateway tapes online. You should be
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: hearing my voice in your right ear. You should be
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: hearing my voice in your right ear. That triggered a
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: lot of people to bring back all of these memories
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of this really weird and strange program that they remember
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: going through in public school. And they believe that what
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: they heard in public school was the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes. Tapes.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And then that brings in the question, okay, well, if
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: that's what they were hearing, one, how did they even
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: get into public school? Two, what was the purpose of that? Well,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: we know what the purpose of the Monroe Institute is.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: experience tapes were was to get people outside of their
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: body and if you read the gateway process uh documents
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: that we show in the movie it tells you that
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the the goal is to get people outside of their
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: body to communicate with non-human intelligence communicate with non-human intelligence
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: outside of your body get that information and bring that
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: information back and then tell us, you know, what's going on.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, that document is a really fascinating document. It
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: basically talks all about astral projection and out of body
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: experience and, and how biofeedback is really important in understanding, uh, uh, the,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: how to get outside of your body. And then we
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: have Katie page in the documentary, which, uh, was a
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: part of this program called the Twilight Learner Program at
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the Denver Tech Center in Colorado by this guy named
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Thomas H. Bedinsky, which worked out of Area 51 on
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: the SR-71 Blackbird, and then immediately went, after he was
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: done with that, went to Colorado to start this biofeedback program,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and she claims that whenever she was through this program
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: as a kid, gave her the exact same experiences that
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: she had whenever she later on in life as an
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: adult listened to the Monroe Institute Gateway Tapes. Right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: A lot of people might be surprised to hear that
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute has connections to the CIA and the
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: government and all these shady organizations. The Esalen Institute in
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: California certainly does. And the Monroe Institute, which was involved
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: in some similar kinds of activities, I guess, would appear
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to have also been linked. And a lot of people
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: won't enjoy hearing that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: They won't enjoy hearing that. And if you can take
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: it even a step farther that I didn't even want
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: to put in the documentary. So I didn't put it
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: in the documentary because I hadn't found a lot of
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: evidence for it. But it's starting to come out now.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: That it's a possibility that Robert Monroe didn't even create
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: that technology, that it was essentially given to him by
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the CIA as a front facing organization. And this whole
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: document was actually written by a gentleman called Andreeja Puharj.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we would have spoken about Stranger Things
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: in one of our previous conversations, the Netflix TV show,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: because so many secrets were revealed through the narrative of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that show in terms of what went on with MKUltra
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and things like remote viewing and the harnessing of psychic
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: abilities and such. And there's so much of what you
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: include in this new documentary, which was shown in Stranger Things,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: particularly through the character of Eleven, played by Millie Bobby Brown.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So she's in this government covert... Military Laboratory Research Institute.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And she's under the watch of Dr. Martin Brenner, who
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I think is modelled on Dr. Ewan Cameron. It's a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: thinly veiled reference to him and many of these very
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: real MKUltra experiments. And she's doing things there like using
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: her mind, her psychic abilities to crush a Coke can.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And this is very similar to what we hear about
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: spoon bending, which was popularised by Yuri Geller. The idea
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that someone can actually bend a spoon just by focusing
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: their mind. And also in that show, you see Brenner
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: experimenting with this other kid by getting him to identify
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: shapes which are drawn on a piece of paper inside
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: an envelope. And all of these were very real experiments
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that were done to try and develop psychic and kinetic
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: abilities within children. And often trauma was the key to it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: So there's a reference in the film there to these
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: abilities only being unlocked. And being able to be fully
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: harnessed when the child has been subjected to trauma, which
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: causes them to dissociate and for the mind to open up.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So it's very immoral. And that's the reason why these
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: projects had to be off the books and black ops
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: and why they've been covered up for so many decades, right?
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And I would say that another really good fictionalized
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: version of this, which I was actually really shocked by,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: is a show and a book actually by Stephen King
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: called The Institute. It just came out with its second
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: season recently. And when the first season came out on
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: MGM +, I was literally in the middle of making
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: this movie. And I watched it and I'm like, holy shit.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: How did he... Stephen King knew... A lot of things
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: that Stephen King does is all about children and psychic abilities. Like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: come on, Stephen King, give me a break. I mean,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Danny within The Shining, uh, Carrie, uh, like, uh, it
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: like psychic children and it, you know, and then he
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: does this, uh, this book called the Institute where children
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: are literally kidnapped in the where they're basically traumatized. They're
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: identified as psychics through the public school, and they're kidnapped
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: out of the middle of the night out of their beds,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: which there are real programs like that in the United
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: States for teen behavioral modification schools. Very real thing where
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: parents of unruly children can literally pay a company and
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: an organization to come and take the kid out of
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: their house in the middle of the night and handcuff
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: them and throw them into a black, black SUV and
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: take them to some facility where they live out until
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: they graduate from that facility until they're 18. 100% real.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: It kind of started in Utah with the, uh, with
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: the team behavioral modification camps, which were like a retreat
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: that would be over a summer, uh, where they would
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: just go hiking in the woods for three months. But
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: then that turned into like facilities and, um, upstate New
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: York as well as at this place called Ivy Ridge.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: There's a whole Netflix documentary on it called, uh, the
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: program cons cults and kidnapping. But I was really shocked
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: by this Institute because, uh, What it essentially is, and
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to ruin the plot for people that
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: hasn't watched it or hasn't read the book, but they
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: essentially get all of these gifted children that have psychic abilities.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: They drug them and then they turn them into essentially
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: remote assassins. Like straight off, Mark, I'm like, what? you
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: gotta be kidding me. I had already had this entire
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: movie written and where I was going to go before
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I ever even saw, uh, that I even knew about
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: the Institute and the Institute was a really recent book
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: that Stephen King wrote. And, uh, I was just really shocked. And, and, um,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: and the Institute, I mean, the, The ending of it's
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: kind of, you know, kind of whack or whatever, but
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: it's kind of how it goes with Stephen King stuff.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: He has a really good premise and then he just
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: kind of botches it at the end. But I was
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: really shocked by that and how they were, you know,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: using these children to. literally get inside of somebody else's
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: head to commit crimes, to commit assassinations. And that is
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: a very real thing that can be done. There was
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: real exercises that the military were doing that would allow
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: a remote viewer to see through the eyes of the target.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Like you could literally get into the mind of another
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: individual and see through their eyes and see what they
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: were seeing. and then sometimes control their body and implant
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: thoughts and ideas and beliefs into their head to make
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: them do things that they otherwise wouldn't do. So I
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: was really shocked.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Right. So ostensibly the remote viewing experiments were used in
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the Cold War era for espionage purposes to gain the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: upper hand on the political enemy. So we're told, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Soviet Russia, but the film speculates on how this technology
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: may have been weaponized against the public. just regular people
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and that it can be used to get inside people's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: minds and drive their influences and behaviors as you just
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: said by remote control so it's like flying a drone
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: except you're not flying a drone you're getting inside someone's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: mind and driving the way that works so it takes
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: on some very dark and shady overtones when you remove
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it from the military kind of applications which are just
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: about justifiable you know somebody might be able to make
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: an argument for this being in the national interest and such.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But when that starts getting weaponized against regular people, that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: becomes a real problem.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, it does. And you can see some evidence of
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: that with some incidents that has happened in schools and
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: what people have claimed that, you know, voices telling them
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: to do things. I mean, the latest... Makes you wonder.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: About all these school shootings, doesn't it? And all these
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: terrorist events that go off.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Murders.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: The most recent, the Lindsay Clancy case where she claimed
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: that voices told her to kill her children. Whether that's
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: an excuse or not, but that's been used for a
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: really long time. William DeFeo in the Amityville horror case,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that was the reason that he said that he killed
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: his entire family, was that the voices told him to
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: do it. You know, so when you get into this,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: it's like, well, this explains a lot of stuff. This explains,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: this could even possibly explain like paranormal activity. Maybe it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: not even like a disembodied spirit. Maybe it's not even
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: like a poltergeist. It could just be somebody else alive.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Because there's this thing that's called.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Lynn Buchanan talks about this, which is in the movie.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: He didn't talk about it in the movie, but he's
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: talked about it on my show before. And he says
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that there was this remote viewing technique that was developed
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: by Ingo Swann. Now, this is what he says. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: can't verify that this is 100% true. I'm just basing
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: this off of what he said. He said it was
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: called perfect sight integration. And perfect site integration was this
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: remote viewing technique that got you outside of your body
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: and took you directly to the location that you were
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: trying to view. And it was an advanced technique because
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: it gave you the ability to interact with the environment.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Like you could change things as this duplicate astral version
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: of of yourself you can interact you can move things
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: like it would be like in the middle of the
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: night if i was able to get outside of my
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: body and travel to you mark devlin and then i
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: just started knocking shit off of your table in the
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: middle of the night well you couldn't see me right
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: because i'd be in an astral version of myself so
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: you would think that holy shit my house is haunted
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: You know, but I'm actually just in there playing a
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: prank on you and slamming the doors and I'm in
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the kitchen making a ruckus, flipping pans and closing cabinets
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: and shit.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: It is another explanation for ghosts and poltergeists, isn't it?
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I've always thought that that was really interesting outlook on
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: it because, you know, we've never really been able to
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: explain the poltergeist like, And I think that that's a
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: really solid explanation. I mean, it doesn't explain all of it,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: but it definitely could explain a portion of it that
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be a dead entity or a
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: dead spirit or a disembodied spirit. It can literally just
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: be somebody that's alive or dead. Maybe they're just, their
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: energy is so connected to the area and that when
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: they're still alive and they want to be there really
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: bad and then they just go there at night in
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: their dream state and in their astral state and they
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: don't even know. You know, that's also a possibility that
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: our dreams are also interacting with our reality somehow. You know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: because there's always a point Throughout any time of the day,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: we're at some point in the country where people are sleeping.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Any time that you're awake or any time that you're asleep,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: there's somebody somewhere in the world that's sleeping. So it
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: could be that they are interacting with you in this
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: reality within the dream state, which brings in a whole
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: other different conversation there. Right.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: So the GATE program for selecting gifted and talented children
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: out of the public school system, Is that something you've
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: identified as just happening in the United States or is
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: that going to be happening in other nations? I'm specifically
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: wondering about the UK because, again, I can't remember if
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I brought this dude up in our previous conversations, but
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: are you familiar with a TV presenter and like psychic
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: sort of guy, Derren Brown? You know him?
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I have heard of Darren Brown. It might have been
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: actually from you that was telling me about him. He's
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: a stage magician, right?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Magician, yeah. It may have been me last time, yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: He's kind of like a British version of David Blaine,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I guess. He does similar mind tricks. And he had
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a TV show on Channel 4 for years. And he's
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. I've been to his live shows. He does hypnosis.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: He does mind reading. He does all kinds of other
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: seemingly psychic tricks, even though he denies that he's doing
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: anything psychic. He's an atheist, he says, and everything he
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: does can be rationally explained. It's just showmanship and sleight
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of hand. I'm not sure I believe him when he
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: says that, but that's the way he explains what he does.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: But he had this thing that he once demonstrated on
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: one of his TV shows. And he said that, uh,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: he used to get bullied at school and he developed
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: this ability where when he was getting bullied and smacked about,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: he could, uh, count, uh, like seemingly impossible numbers of things.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And he demonstrated on one of his shows by getting
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: a volunteer to smack him really hard around the face.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And he kept saying harder, harder, hit me harder. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: when he'd been adequately smacked around the face, he would
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: pour out this jar of buttons and look at them.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: And be able to tell how many buttons were there
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: on the table. And it was like 283 buttons or something.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And he got it within one button. And he says
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that's an ability that came about as a result of
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: being smacked about, which is trauma, right? Again, so it's
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: trauma unlocking these abilities in the mind, seemingly. And he
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: turned it into like a stage trick. But this guy
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: is just incredible in terms of what he can do
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: with his mind. And it just reminds me of people
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like Charlie Kirk, for example. who is also mentioned in
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: your documentary as somebody who seemingly came out of one
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of these gifted programs. And he was tapped early on
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: for a future career in politics because of some of
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: these abilities that he showed. And I've been watching a
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of debates that this guy had with a lot
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: of these wokey sort of liberal lefty university types. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the way he debates is just incredible. He's just razor sharp.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: He's straight on it. He puts these arguments down in
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: an instant. And I don't think that's a regular thing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: That's something that's very special. It's very special mental abilities
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to be able to think that sharply. And so it
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me at all if he came out of
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: one of these programs. But I'm just wondering if people
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like Derren Brown may have done as well. And when
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: we see these people in the public eye, they've got
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: there because they were identified early in childhood as having
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: these incredible abilities that could be used in some way
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to benefit the system.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: That is very interesting, Mark, because if you recall, I
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: show a clip in psychic agent, the gate program of
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Marilyn Manson, essentially seeing that exact same thing. That's right.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And it was Manson that made me think of Darren
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Brown when he said that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable. Yeah, that's what he said, that he was going
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to that the CIA wanted to recruit him for his
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: ability to count the amount of things in a room
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: before anybody could ever recognize how many people were in
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: a room, how many light sockets were in a room
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: before anybody.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: So you've got you've got Manson saying that in the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: United States, you've got Darren Brown saying it in England.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: So it makes me wonder whether this is an international program.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I think that it is. I mean, there's been several
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: people that has reached out to me after they have
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: watched the movie. And actually, as I during the making
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: of the movie, because I had reached out to people,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, hey, if anybody could email me their
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: experiences in the gay program, like, let me know if
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you were in gifted and talented education. Several people reached
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: out to me from the UK and said that they
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: were involved in a very similar program. People reached out
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to me from Australia and said that they were in
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: a very similar program and in Canada as well. So
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: this definitely seems like it's a complete global thing. And,
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: you know, you're 100% right about Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: was in a gay program school. It was in Palatine, Illinois,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: called Creative Children's Academy. It's now been renamed Quest Academy
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: in 1999. Lance Twiggs, the gay lover... of Tyler Robinson,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: the guy who's been charged with the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: also went to a gate program school called Utah Tech
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Success Academy. He was a highly gifted piano player and
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: started then getting into, you know, drugs and alcohol, which
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: kind of happens when you You know, reject that type
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: of programming, you end up on a self-destructive path. it's
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: like a switch flips within you. And that's kind of
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: what was happening to Charlie as well was that he was,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: he realized that he had been handled and pushed into
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: a certain direction that his like doors had been opened
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: for him that otherwise wouldn't have been open for him.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that he didn't have any talent. Obviously
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: he had an immense amount of talent, but that, you know, opportunities, uh,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: were given to him that other people that may have
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: been just as talented would not have been given to
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: those people. It's kind of like with the music stuff,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: you know, how many, how many singers were just as good,
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: if not better than Elvis, but Elvis was the one
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: that made it. How many musicians and singers were better
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: than the Beatles?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: But the Beatles, we all know some, don't we?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: But the Beatles were the ones that were popular and
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: the ones that were pushed out there and the ones
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: that made all this money and were able to go
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: on to do giant stadium tours and that are the
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: instantly recognizable most popular band in the history of the world.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And And that's just a testament to what can be
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: done through some of these programs. They can just open
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: doors for you and put you around people and handle
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you and push you in a certain direction. But if
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: you start to go off of that path, things start
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to happen to you. Kind of exactly like what happened
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: with John Lennon, right? The same thing that happened with
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. When you start to get off the reservation
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: there a little bit, and John Lennon is a completely
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: different situation, but the outcome is still the same. The
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: same things essentially happened to both of them, right?
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Well, they both got blown away, yeah. No longer required,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: surplus to requirements.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and Lance Twiggs' family.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Had multiple loans and mortgages on their $ 700, 000 home in
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Utah for several years. Okay, and then just a few
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: months after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, Lance Twiggs' family was
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: able to then pay off that $ 700, 000 loan, move to Texas.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: While their son is the key witness of one of
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the biggest high-profile political assassinations in modern history, they were
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: able to buy multiple houses. startup multiple businesses, charitable nonprofit organizations,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: and the mission statement for one of those nonprofit organization
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: is just, you know, how like if you're starting like
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: a company or an organization or something, you have to
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: like give a detailed description to the IRS. I don't
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: know what it's like in the UK, but I would
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: imagine that you have to do the same thing. We
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: have to give a description. It's quite similar. a description
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: of what your business is doing and how it's operating
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: and everything. While the description for Lance twigs is families,
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: nonprofit organization says just charity. That's, that's what our charitable
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: organization is doing is just charity.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: And then when you look into like, Oh, what is
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: all these charities actually doing? They're just giant money laundering operations. Right.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: That's another thing is like, St. Jude, like, I think
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: that this is really what we should be really pissed
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: off about. We should be really pissed off about these
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: charitable organizations that don't seem to fix a damn thing, Mark.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: They don't fix anything. How long has St. Jude been
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: doing cancer research? This is what we should be pissed
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: off at. We shouldn't be pissed off at somebody saying
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: that Tupac was an actor and was out there to,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: you know, demoralize an entire generation. And there was a
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: CIA plant for the military industrial prison complex, right? We
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be pissed off about that. We should be pissed
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: off at these freaking people. programs and charity organizations like St.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Jude that take billions of dollars in every year and
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: don't do anything. They are no closer to finding a
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: cure for cancer than they were 30 freaking years ago, Mark.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: One day we'll find a cure for cancer. No, you won't.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Because then you wouldn't exist and your CEO wouldn't get
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: paid and your shareholders wouldn't get paid. The last thing
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you want to do is find a cure for it. Meanwhile,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: more people get ill every year, more money is taken
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to find a cure, and the further and further away
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: we seem to drift from ever finding one. Well, there
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: are cures for cancer, actually, but we're not allowed to
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: talk about those, are we? Real cures.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Exactly. It's so freaking ridiculous, and it really upsets me,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: if you can't tell. It just irks me, it grinds
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: my gears that we've been You know, the people continuously
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: donate to organizations that don't do freaking anything. It's set
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: up to pay off all the people that work at
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: the NGOs, the CEOs, and it goes right into their pockets.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: And then it's a money laundering system to the people
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: that donate because those people sit on the boards of
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: all those corporations. So any kind of laundering that they
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: need done, they'll just donate to that corporation or that
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: charity that they said on the board of. And it
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: goes right back into their freaking pockets.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. And
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: one thing that pisses me off before this turns into
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a rant fest, but it is relevant, is we're coming
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: up to the time of year, November, where in the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: UK we have to suffer the BBC's Children in Need.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: annual appeal. So this is where BBC TV and radio
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: rattle the tins and try and emotionally coerce people into
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: giving money for children. You know, let's help the children.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: This is the same BBC that employed Jimmy Savile and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: endless amounts of pdf files who have been shown to
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: be so continually employed them for decades and decades and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: decades but meanwhile they want to moralize everyone about how
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: they need to part with their money to help these
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: poor children i don't really see them knocking on the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: doors of the rothschilds and you know the royal family
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and asking them for donations no it has to be
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: regular everyday folk who are already being financially pressed they're
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the ones that are being goaded into giving more money
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: by a corporation which has put many, many children at
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: great risk. So never mind children in need. They're probably
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: in need because of the BBC. But anyway, like I say,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: don't get me started on that one.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right, Mark. You just hit the nail on
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: the head. The people that are claiming to do the
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: things for the children are actually the ones that are
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: responsible for doing the things to them. Right.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Children would be a whole lot safer without these corporations around.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's exactly right. That is the biggest crime of all,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: is that the people that are claiming to help are
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: the ones that are actually causing the problem. And that
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: has been the story of any government institution since the
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: beginning of time. Right.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And also, governmental institutions, or at least the third-party operations
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: that they are in league with, create money out of nothing,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: literally out of thin air. They print so-called money and
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: they type figures onto a computer screen and there's a
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: million dollars that wasn't there before. So if they can
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: literally create money out of nothing, how come they don't
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: create money to alleviate all these situations of poverty and
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: children in need and to really research a cure for cancer?
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't need to go after regular members of the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: public rattling your tin, getting them to part with their
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: cash when you could literally create the money out of nothing.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: They create money out of nothing for wars, to fund wars,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: but they don't seem to be able to fund things
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: that actually benefit humanity. I know I'm sounding like myself
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: 20 years ago here when I first went into conspiracy research,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: but that's because nothing's actually changed in 20 years or
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: 200 years or 2000 years.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Imagine that, Mark, a world where our problems are actually solved.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you exactly why that those problems will
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: never be solved because there's Millions of dollars that are
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: allocated to solving those problems, but they don't actually go
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: into solving those problems. They line the pockets of the politicians.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Or they get funneled into black ops projects like the
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: ones we've been talking about here off the books.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: That's where it all goes. That's exactly right. I mean,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: that's been set up with Danny Casolaro. He kind of
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: broke that entire thing and this fragmented part of the CIA,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: this black budget CIA that went to Native American reservations
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: within the United States because they were able to operate
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: without government oversight on Native American reservations. And then they
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: would set up all of these. That's how they would
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: run their drugs. That's how they would run their guns.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: That's how they would run their trafficking operations. was out
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: of these native American reservations. And they were actually the
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: ones that got them into the whole gambling thing. That's
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: how they got them to build all these casinos because
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: the casinos were giant money laundering operations for this block
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: budget CIA.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: That's probably why we've got so many Turkish barbershops here
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: in the UK. Now, I don't know if it's the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: same in America, but any town of any reasonable size
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that you go into anywhere in the UK is you'll
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: find about eight to 10 Turkish barber shops. How many
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Turkish barber shops does one town need? And you can
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: pass these shops and there's never any customers in there.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: And you think, well, how do these guys stay in
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: business then? How do they make money? And you know
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that many of them have to be laundering operations. Many
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: of these vape shops as well, you've got like 12
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: vape shops in the average British high street. So they've
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: just sprung up out of nowhere and there's got to
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: be a real reason for that.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of what Walter Bosley is talking about
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: within the movie Psychic Agent, The Gate Program, is that
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: the CIA, the FBI, these intelligence organizations can literally set
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: up an operation. That for a front business and you
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: would never know that it was an FBI or CIA
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: front company because it looks like a regular freaking business.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: He used the example of like you could be working
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: for a donut shop and not know that you're a
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: part of an FBI undercover operation has been running for
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: 10 years. And he says that he knows this because
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: he was involved in them. He was involved in one
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: in Manhattan that was a 10-year operation against the Soviets
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: that was in a building that was a very famous building.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: He told me the name of it, but he didn't
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: want me to let out that information because he doesn't
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: know if they're still using it. But I actually show
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: the visual representation of the building in the movie, but
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: we just couldn't say it, right? You can show it,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: but you can't say it. And he said that only
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: two people in the entire building knew that his son
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: operation was an undercover FBI operation. And that's kind of
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: really what the whole thing is, is it's so concealed
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: and so compartmentalized that you would never know who is
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: funding this organization, who is funding this business. I mean,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: there was a whole thing that came out a couple
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: of years ago about how Mossad was using the, um,
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: But the intermediaries and malls, like the mall kiosk that you,
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: you know, you're walking down like a regular mall, like
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: an inside mall and you have the kiosk in the
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: center of the mall. I don't know how they do
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: it in the UK, but they were saying that that
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: those mall kiosk were Mossad operations. So it's like, well,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: you know, what's what's actually going on here? How many
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: of these businesses are actually FBI? cia front organizations and
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: front businesses that are carrying out legitimate operations in front
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: of our faces and we don't even know.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: It you'll never know and just going back to what
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: you discuss in psychic agent there there's the suggestion that
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of these psychic powers that they were trying
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to develop and harness in children were eventually being used
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: to assassinate people remotely remote assassinations. Makes me wonder, actually,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: if that's what they did to Stanley Kubrick when he
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: finally pissed him off and went a step too far.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: And he just happened to have a heart attack right
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: before Eyes Wide Shut was released. But there's the idea
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that you can assassinate somebody remotely. And you got Lynn
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Buchanan in the show who says that he was actually
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: asked to assassinate Osama bin Laden. And he refused to
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: do it because he said he wasn't going to kill anyone.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: So There's the movie, The Men Who Stare at Goats,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: starring George Clooney, that came out some years ago. And
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: that seems to take this idea, but treat it in
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: a very mocking, parody, kind of spoofy sort of way.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: And it's ostensibly a comedy about these military guys who
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: are trained to use psychic powers to kill goats. And
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: it seems there's more of telling us what really goes
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: on there but they've obviously dressed it up to be
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: this fairly ridiculous thing. It's similar to what they were
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: doing in Stranger Things. They're telling you what really goes on,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: but because it forms the narrative of a TV show
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: or a movie, most people who've never looked into these
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: things would never imagine that they're being told the truth
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: about technology that actually exists. It goes back to this
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: tenet that they seem to need to continually observe of
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: telling us what they're doing but just not being open
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: and candid about it, doing it in cryptic coded form
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: through popular culture.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Lynn told me off recording off screen that, uh, yes,
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: it is possible. What she says it in the movie
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: is like, it is possible to, uh, psychically assassinate someone.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: And The Minister of Goats was actually a combination of
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: a few different programs. One of the programs that was
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: never disclosed, that apparently had to do with psychic abilities
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: being used in combat, and the Stargate remote viewing unit.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: It was a comedy spin. I thought it was really funny.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: I actually really liked the movie. Lynn thought that it
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: was funny as well. But the main character in there,
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Lynn Cassidy... is based off of Lynn Buchanan. I mean,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: they both have the exact same name. And some of
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: the things that were attributed to Lynn Cassidy in the
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: movie are some of the things that, you know, Lynn
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Buchanan says happened to him or that he was involved with.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: Of course, things are embellished for, you know, the movies
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: and Hollywood. But he said that, yes, it is possible
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: to psychically assassinate someone But then he told me off camera,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: he was like, you know, what would you rather do, Ryder?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Would you rather... Have someone just die in a cave, right? Like,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: if I were to just, you know, kill Osama bin
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Laden with my mind, like, what is that really going
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: to do? You know, what is, it's not going to
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: be dramatic if he just dies of a heart attack.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Because that's the way that he explained to me. He
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: didn't exactly say that that's how... I had to fish
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: around with him because he's a very high-ranking intelligence. He
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: had a very high-ranking clearance. He claims like... above the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: president during the time that he was in the military.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: And only a very few, few other people had that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: high of a security clearance. And he had information about
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: things that didn't have anything to do with remote viewing.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: He had information, top secret clearance on a lot of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: other different things, but he said, well, Yeah, you could
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: do that. You could just take somebody out psychically, but
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: that's not going to create the political upheaval in the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: whole persona and the agenda that you want to push, right?
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  Speaker 3: The best way to do it would be to convince
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: somebody else to carry out the act. Get into somebody
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  Speaker 3: else's head. Convince them that they need to go out
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  Speaker 3: and assassinate, kill.
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  Speaker 2: Or murder somebody.
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  Speaker 3: Right. And then have them do it. Because then you also...
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  Speaker 3: They're also kind of skirting around the karmic repercussions of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: that because Dale Graff, the operations manager of the Stargate
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  Speaker 3: remote viewing unit, comes in there and talks about it.
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  Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, well, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: blowback effect to doing that type of work to mentally,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: psychically assassinating someone. You're going to get a lot of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: karmic repercussions for doing that. And I think that's also
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  Speaker 3: why They kind of have to tell us what they're
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  Speaker 3: doing before they do it because it's a karmic thing
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  Speaker 3: as well as like a predictive programming thing. They want
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  Speaker 3: to get around the karmic repercussions of doing inhumane things
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  Speaker 3: against the population. So they tell you before they do it.
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  Speaker 1: By telling you they're going to do it. And then
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: when you don't object, they see it as a green
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  Speaker 1: light because you didn't say no.
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  Speaker 3: Boom.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a sick way of looking at it.
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  Speaker 3: Very sick, but that's what's happening. And I think that
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Lin is on to that. I think he's 100% on
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: to that. Because if Osama bin Laden just died of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: a heart attack, then who really cares? You want to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: have SEAL Team 6 go in, take him out, throw
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: his body in the ocean. We never get to see
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: his body, right? He's just gone. It's over. We've taken it.
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  Speaker 3: So the American could go, hoorah, yeah, hoorah. We did it.
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  Speaker 1: Ten years after he actually did die, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: because they forgot to tell you that he died at
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: the end of 2001. But I guess that's not important.
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  Speaker 1: And he was also a CIA asset. So they were
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: taking out one of their own. It seems that if
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: you get into bed with these people, they're not beyond
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: throwing you under a bus when they decided you've outlived
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: your usefulness.
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  Speaker 3: They will take you out. They will character assassinate you.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: They will try and, if that doesn't work, they'll try
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: and bankrupt you. They'll do anything in their power to.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Just ask P. Diddy, right?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, Diddy, bro. That's another thing, too, along with the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Tupac stuff. I was like, so you guys believe that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Diddy was baby-oiling up and bending dudes over... But you
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: don't want to believe that it's a possibility that Tupac
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: was running that same way. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's hero worship. And this is where the Manchurian candidate
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: stuff comes in as well, because if you can program
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: somebody like Mark Chapman or John Hinckley or Sirhan Sirhan
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  Speaker 1: to go out and carry out one of these assassinations,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It becomes much more newsworthy and shocking and develops the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: wanted public attitude than saying JFK passed away in the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: night of a heart attack. If it's this violent event
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: that takes place in broad daylight, you could even throw
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Tupac into that because we're told that he got shot
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: on the Las Vegas Strip in front of hundreds of
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: witnesses on one of the busiest streets in America, but
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the cops took 30 years to catch anyone for it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: It just becomes more visual, more memorable, more shocking, more traumatizing,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: which is the effect they're always after.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: And that might have been a reason why people got
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: more upset with me this time around when I talked
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: about it, because that whole thing, they just arrested... Who
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: was the guy that they arrested for his murder?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Keefy D. Davis.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: What a name, dude. Why does it have to deal
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: with these people's names, bro?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some... Drug dealer, criminal sort of thing, you know.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's name has been coming up for decades,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: but the cops, bless them, just took 30 years to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: put a case together. Too busy eating donuts, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's so weird. Like just the people's names,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Bill Gates, you know, Gates, Gates of Hell, you know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: like Sam Altman, the Altar of Man. Like these people
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: have such weird freaking names like that, that seem so
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: on the nose that it's like. Like, what's the dude
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: that tried to assassinate Trump? Tyler Crooks? Like, what? Where
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: are they getting these people with these freaking names? It's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: like they're making fun of us with the names of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: these people.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: That was Tupac's name as well. His real name was Crooks.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Wild.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that comes down to, I'm definitely not
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: going to go down this tangent or be here till
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, but what I refer to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: as matrix coding, which is going to be the subject
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of my next book. This reality in which we find
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: ourselves and the way it's constructed and programmed, I think
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: it's mathematically coded when you strip it down to its
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: core level. And it's akin to a piece of computer
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: software or a virtual reality video game. and you've got
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: all this stuff playing out into physical manifestation, but before
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: it becomes that, it's code and it operates on that level.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: And I think it's responsible for things like irony, the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: irony of people's names, Gates and all these others, and coincidences, serendipity, synchromysticism.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I think it can all be explained by stripping it
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: all back to what this reality is before it becomes
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: what we experience. Like I say, that's a big subject area.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: It's not one that I intend to get into on
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: this show. It's something for another day. But I think
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: that's what explains all this. And, you know, apparent ironies.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Because people throw that one at me with regard to
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: my own name. They're like, oh, you expose Satanism and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: occult symbolism and stuff. And your name is Mark Devlin. Like,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: you've got the mark of the devil in you. And,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: you know, they try and make something of that. But
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: there's many other examples. You know, Mark Passio is a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: highly passionate individual. And that just happens to be his name.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Masaru Omoto, the Japanese guy that studied water consciousness, a
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: very emotive subject. And his name was Omoto. So, you know,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of this stuff is by accident.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it's kind of like fulfilling a destiny,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: but I feel like the cabalistic people just put it
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: out there in our face like they're laughing at us
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: in a way. I mean, what did I say? Sam Altman. Well,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: you can look at that as like Samael, which is
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: the angel of death, right? I mean, Yuval Harari is
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: a demonic name, right? It's literally the name of a demon. Okay,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: and all of the AI companies all use the one
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: eye symbolism, right? Open AI and NVIDIA is the evil eye.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Oracle is the sea into the future. It's in the name.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Then you got Stargate AI, which is a big connection here.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: One of the first things that Trump did whenever he
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: got back in the office in the second term, Stargate AI,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: gate to the other world.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: You got Elon Musk and wasn't Elon the name of
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: some like E.T. entity or some character in some science
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: fiction story from decades ago? I forget the exact reference, but,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: you know, Elon is a very unusual name. And you
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: have this guy popping up and, you know, he's got
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: the same name as some character from some science fiction
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: film or book.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: It might've been a Warner Von Braun that wrote that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: book that said that somebody was going to name Elon.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Oh no, that was the, that's the, uh, Baron Trump book.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. yeah it talks about so awkward yeah that is
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: uh that a man named elon is going to take
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: us to mars but it seems.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: There's some reference i'm sure people watching this know the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: reference anyway to elon.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: It's hard for us to remember some certain things, guys.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: You're going to have to forgive us. We've got so
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: much stuff that we've got to remember in our brain.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: But it seems like Elon has kind of abandoned the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: whole Mars thing, and now he's more on track with
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: the moon. He's on with the moon again. Did you
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: see the tweet from the White House the other day
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: that was.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Like, we're going to put.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: A permanent base on the moon?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the day they're going to do that?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: It's the same.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Day they find a cure for cancer. They're going to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: happen on the same day.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Or when they finally freaking land on the moon because
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: they definitely didn't go in 1969. Come on, bro. That's right.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Nor any time since.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I thought that was really funny. I was like, yeah,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: how are you guys going to put a freaking base
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: on the moon when you never even went in.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: The first place, dude?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Right. Unbelievable. But it seems like that's, you know, and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what to think of
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk. What do you think?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't trust him, that's for sure.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: How can you trust a billionaire?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Do you ever get on that show?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: You can't trust anyone that rises to that position of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: influence because they didn't do it under their own steam.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: They were obviously elevated by those that can make these
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: things happen. So how can you trust anyone in a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: position like that? Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: And all these families, too. See, there's a really big
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: connection here that I didn't even get into in the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: actual documentary itself, which is a big Jeffrey Epstein connection
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: to the books that we've been given in public school
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: and education. So. The Rockefellers were actually funding some of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: the psychic research going back to the 30s. We talk
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: about it in the movie, which is out of Duke University,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: which is the Zinner Cards. that have the symbols on
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: the back of the cards. And this was used on
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: indigenous school children in Canada and also within the United States.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: This is something that a lot of people remember within
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: the gifted and talented education programs is these flashcards. They
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: would sit down with a teacher or somebody that was,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: you know, running the test and they would have a flashcard.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: You can just get on Google and type in center
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: cards and you can find out all about this. where
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: then they would have the child, you know, be like,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: they would ask the child, what's the next symbol on
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: the back of the card was a psychic card game.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: And the Rothschilds were instrumental in creating the textbooks that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: the United States used in public school. So when the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Rothschilds needed to take over Wall Street, they did it
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: by sending this gentleman to New York. to oversee the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: purchase of this media company called MacMillan Inc. And MacMillan Inc.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: would later be known as McGraw-Hill, which changed its name,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: which McGraw-Hill is responsible for a majority of the elementary
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: school books in America that kids were raised on and
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: taught in public school. And the person that they sent
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: to do this, Mark, was none other than Robert Maxwell.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Ghislaine Maxwell's dad, Robert Maxwell, was working for the Rothschilds.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: He was their main guy. And when Maxwell would go off...
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Was that spy? Yes, exactly. He was the original Epstein.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: He was Epstein before Epstein was Epstein. Well, there was
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: another guy that was actually Epstein before Epstein, before Maxwell
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: was ever in the picture, which was Meyer Lansky. But
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Maxwell was working for the Rothschild family through the Bank
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: of England, right? He was connected to... you know, running
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: all these corporate blackmail schemes to take over giant corporations and,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: you know, blackmail people throughout the entire world ran by
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: Mossad and funded by England, right? And when he died,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Epstein and Ghislaine just took that entire operation over. Epstein
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: had just been introduced to Maxwell only like six months
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: prior to Maxwell's death. Epstein was.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody dropped a banana skin on the deck of
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: his yacht, and he slipped right in. Terrible accident.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Doing it like that Mario Kart... on Mario Kart, dude.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: All right. Yeah, so Jeff Epstein was essentially the replacement
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: for him, and he was the one that was responsible
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: for a lot of the elementary school books in public school.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, does that include Catcher in the Rye? Probably does.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: That would be really interesting. Uh, I think that it
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: might've been, I'm pretty sure that it was just like
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: educational history books. Uh, but I'm sure that I would
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: like to know who funded, uh, Catcher in the Rye.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Cause you could probably chase, trace that back. Cause he
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: had to have been, uh, funded by somebody to write
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: the book.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: All right. So going back to remote viewing, have you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: heard this account that there was an operation a few
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: years back where, not sure if it's the CIA or
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: other departments, but they employed a bunch of remote viewers
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: to look into the future and try and figure out
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen in terms of where humanity
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: was headed. And they all came back with the same story,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: which was that all the possible potential outcomes in terms
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: of future timelines converged at a singular point and they
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: just could not get beyond it it was like a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: done deal it was written that things were going to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: play out a certain way and they were going to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: play out in the favor of humanity to the detriment
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: of the elite control system are you at all familiar
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: with that story do you know what i'm talking about
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: there or.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: I have heard that before. Now I'm not for sure
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: who was involved in that remote viewing. That sounds like a, um,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: one of those institutes, um, that's done a lot of
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: remote viewing and forget what it's called, but it's something.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that would have been a hopium
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: story to make people think that everything's going to turn out. Okay. Um,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: you know, it'd be great if that did turn out
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: to be the case, but, uh, I just wondered if
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: there was any validity to those accounts.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: That I'm not too sure. Now, Lynn Buchanan has remote
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: viewed the future. He said that he went as far
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: as into 2050. And he said that starting in now,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: this is according to him. This is what he viewed
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: in like the early 2000s. OK, so take it with
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: what you will. But he said that starting in 2030.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: War basically has erupted all over the world and the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: countries start running out of war resources. So they start
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: using weather modification technology to wipe out other countries. So
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: they'll start doing, you know, manufactured earthquakes, manufactured hurricanes, manufactured fires,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: burn people out, flood people out. And we kind of
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: see that happening in Nepal. I mean, there's a whole thing.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Southern California is getting hit by a tropical storm. It's
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: one of the first ones that's been this bad in
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: a really long time in Southern California. And he says
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: that that happens all the way up until the end
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: of 2040. That all of these man-made natural disasters that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: have been orchestrated and perpetuated by the government themselves to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: take out large groups of people. He said that over.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: Again, this is what he said, not confirming it, not
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: trying to fear people into anything, but he said that
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: around approximately by the year of 2040, 75% of the population,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: the world's population, will be taken out.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: I was hoping there might be some good news in there,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: which is why I asked the question, but my bad.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: Silly me.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: What are you thinking, Mark? This isn't a good news channel.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: What are you trying to do, bro? I know, I know.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not normally an optimist, but I thought there might
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: be something to find there.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: But anyway.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: So as we mentioned earlier, it takes so long for
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: many of these revelations to come to the surface. Decades.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: So with this MKUltra stuff and the remote viewing and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: the gate stuff, we're talking about things that happened in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: the 1950s, 60s, 70s. And here we are 50 to
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: 70 years later discussing this stuff. It seems like that's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: a safe distance to leave between this information and it
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: being discussed. So it just makes me wonder, stuff that
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: is going on behind the scenes, out of view now
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: in the 2020s, we can only understand. imagine the true
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: nature of it maybe that's going to get revealed in
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  Speaker 1: about 50 years and people will be sitting around saying
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  Speaker 1: oh my god look at what they were doing in
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  Speaker 1: 2026 the mind boggles as to what might be going
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  Speaker 1: on now that we're not going to find out about
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  Speaker 1: for a few decades right.
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  Speaker 3: It's really incredible when you think about that. And then
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  Speaker 3: when you think of the push to digitize everything, And
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  Speaker 3: what kind of agenda is that? Why do they want
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  Speaker 3: your entire life on a freaking cell phone? Why do
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  Speaker 3: they want all of your records to be digitized? Why
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  Speaker 3: do they want everything on the internet? Why do they
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  Speaker 3: want you? Why does Elon Musk want an X everything app?
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  Speaker 3: Why is he giving you a freaking credit card now?
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  Speaker 3: You can literally get an X credit card. on the
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  Speaker 3: X app through Elon Musk and get an X credit card, okay?
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  Speaker 3: He wants it to be an everything app. He wants
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  Speaker 3: it to be an app where your entire life is
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  Speaker 3: on and you can't operate in society without that app.
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  Speaker 3: Why do they want a digital ID? A digital ID
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  Speaker 3: is for tracking and tracing everything that you do, everywhere
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  Speaker 3: that you go, everything that you buy, anything that you
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  Speaker 3: look up, your AI chat log, Your search history, your
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  Speaker 3: comments that you reply to, the people that you react
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  Speaker 3: to online, the videos that you watch on your phone.
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  Speaker 3: Why is all of that so important for them to do? Well,
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  Speaker 3: it's important because they can just erase it. If they
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  Speaker 3: digitize everything within the next 10 years, Mark, and nothing
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  Speaker 3: is physical anymore... I mean, we've seen, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you're a gamer or if you play games or anything.
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  Speaker 3: I pay attention to it a little bit. I don't
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  Speaker 3: play too many games, but I do have an Xbox.
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  Speaker 3: But PlayStation announced that they're no longer going to be
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  Speaker 3: doing disc anymore. Physical media has been on the way
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  Speaker 3: out for a really long time. That's why I got
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  Speaker 3: physical medias of the movie Psychic Agent because it kind
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: of cements you into reality. Like no one can take
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  Speaker 3: this disc. Away, you know, they can take digital things
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  Speaker 3: away and that's been something that's been happening for a
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  Speaker 3: really long time with PlayStation. They've literally just wiped the
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  Speaker 3: movies that people's paid for off of the PlayStation store. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: the whole entire movie catalog is just completely gone that
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  Speaker 3: people have paid for. So there's an agenda out there
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  Speaker 3: to digitize everything, but no one.
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  Speaker 1: Has, I've still got cassette tapes here. I've got an
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  Speaker 1: old school. I'm digitizing some of my cassettes, but I'm
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: still going to keep the cassettes. I'm just a master
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: of redundant formats here.
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  Speaker 3: But that's really important because you can't take that away
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  Speaker 3: from people, but you can take the digital stuff away
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  Speaker 3: and you can take it away very easily. So if
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  Speaker 3: we put everything on a digital format, then what happens
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: if the internet just, what happens if they reset the internet?
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  Speaker 3: All this history is just going to be gone. It's
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  Speaker 3: going to be like, If my entire life was on
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  Speaker 3: the internet, it's going to be like I didn't even exist, Mark.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I write physical books, actual paper books that
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  Speaker 1: you can hold in your hand. Very important to keep
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  Speaker 1: that format alive.
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  Speaker 3: It is very important. And I don't think people really
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  Speaker 3: understand the gravity of that type of situation. They can
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: literally erase decades and decades and decades of entire history
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: by making everything digital. And people are like, oh, well,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: they could go in and they could change the book.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not worried. Who cares about that? I don't
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: want them to erase the entire freaking thing. It's already
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: hard enough to go back and try and find articles
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: that happened six years ago. Imagine what that's going to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: be like in freaking 10 years. You know, and they're
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: no longer backing up the internet. So Google is no
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: longer backing up the internet. So like from here on further,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: we're just in like this limbo type of state and
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  Speaker 3: i think that that's a really important thing because if
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  Speaker 3: they can just erase the internet and everything that you've
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: ever done and anything that you've ever built can just
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  Speaker 3: completely be wiped and no one will ever know who
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  Speaker 3: you were or what any kind of contribution that you
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: ever made.
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  Speaker 1: Right okay well we'll start to wrap things up here
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  Speaker 1: then but where can people watch this documentary film of
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  Speaker 1: yours psychic agent where is that available and what's next
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  Speaker 1: for you? Have you got another project on the cards?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Yes. You can check out psychic agent, the gate program
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  Speaker 3: on Amazon prime. You can get it in the UK.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: You can for sure get it in the United States.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: And if you're interested in a physical copy of psychic agent,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: the gate program, and you live in the United States,
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  Speaker 3: I can't ship it outside of the United States. I've
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: made some exceptions going into Canada and, but even Canada
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: is like 20 to $ 30 to ship it just from
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: the United States. So I can only ship the people
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: that would want a physical copy.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Isn't that another example of what you were just talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Because I get requests from people in America and Japan
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: and Australia to ship books out there. And I've just
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: stopped doing it because first of all, it's too expensive.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: And secondly, it takes too long. And thirdly, these books
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: so often get seized by customs. They never actually make
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: it through. And it's so troublesome to mail a physical
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  Speaker 1: book to another nation that I don't do it anymore.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly the way they want things. They want
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: you doing everything online. They don't want physical copies, like
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: you were saying, of your DVD. So it's another case
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  Speaker 1: in point there, I feel.
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  Speaker 3: It is really troubling. I wish it was a lot
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: cheaper and I was able to do it. But I mean,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: you're talking like, to ship it. Someone tried to order
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: one from the UK and I didn't, whenever I first
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: got them, I was like, yeah, if you want a
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: DVD and someone tried to send me money from the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: UK and I just had to refund the money because
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: the shipping was just too expensive. I would actually be
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: losing money on the DVD to ship it outside of
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: the country. I mean, I have made some exceptions recently
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: for Canada, but Canada is.
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  Speaker 2: Like, part of north america so it's like.
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  Speaker 3: Not that big of a deal it doesn't take that
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  Speaker 3: long but uh yeah anywhere overseas or outside of um
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: canada or the united states it's just they make it
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: too difficult and the tariffs and everything and just and
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: the the custom because it's even an upcharge to get
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: through the custom stuff isn't it i've very rarely shipped
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: anything um overseas.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: It's an extortion racket i used to get communications from
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: like Australian customs. And they'd say, you've got to pay
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: us X amount of fee for us to release the book.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: So they just hold you to ransom there.
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable. It's really unbelievable how everything has been set up
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: to make us to where we can't, you know, make
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: a living and get out information. It's wild. But yeah,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: if you would, Amazon Prime, you can watch my documentaries
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: that Mark was also in. If you haven't checked that
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: out already, you can watch that one, Clockwork Shining on
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: Amazon Prime and Psychic Agent, The Gate Program. And if
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: you would do me a favor and leave a comment
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: rating and a review for amazon if you watch it
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: on amazon that really helps out with the algorithms and
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: helps amazon push it out and recommend it to other
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: people that might be interested and if you're interested in
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: following uh some of my other work you can find
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: me on writer lee on youtube and any and all
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: podcast platforms and any and all social media and i'm
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: thinking about doing another cubic film Thinking about doing one
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: on Eyes Wide Shut. We didn't get a chance to
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: get into Eyes Wide Shut, but Kubrick, you mentioned that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Kubrick died from a heart attack. And that was six
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: days after he had shown that screener to the Warner Brothers.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: And then it was 666 days before 2001 A Space Odyssey. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Matrix coding, you see. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Then you've got the Kubrick Counterintelligence MKUltra manual as well,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: which is very similar to Kubrick. They're playing with the names.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: They're playing with the meanings of all this. It's word magic,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Freemasonic double speak. They tell you one thing when they
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: mean something completely different.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Okay, well, thanks for coming on today, and I'll
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: link up with you again in due course, no doubt.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Mark. Really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Cheers.