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Going Down Every Rabbit Hole · UK Column Radio

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James Denningpole, I don't know how many times I'm saying this,
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but thank you again for joining me in the trenches.
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It's an absolute pleasure, there's no one I would be
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happier to be with alongside me fighting the enemy.
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Other than your wife. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No, but I think you'd probably be good at, you come from South
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Africa, you'd probably be good at dealing with, with vermin
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creatures, you know, like rats and stuff because there's,
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there's all sorts of stuff out there, isn't there?
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We are a lot more streetwise I think on average, but that's by
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design. Oh, I mean, when you live in a
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country where you can't go on a long car journey without
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thinking about making plans, if you break down, how are you
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going to survive? It's, it's, I mean, that's it,
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isn't it? It's not just will the will the
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a, a man come in in three hours or five hours?
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No, it's will I survive? Yes, and and is my gun loaded?
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Is my gun loaded? Can you carry guns?
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Yes. Ah, now you've you know what?
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You're suddenly selling South Africa to me.
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I'd like to. I cannot I cannot confirm nor
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deny whether or not I have firearms.
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I. Think if your life depends on
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it. I will say I've got a hunting
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rifle that I will say because I go hunting as you do also.
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What by the way, where are you as a as a as a fellow Christian?
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Where are you on killing people, I mean.
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Well, let's just dive into it. In in self defence I mean,
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because it's not clear to me what what God's position is on
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this, but what if it's? Not killed.
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No, no, no, no. I think that's a
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misinterpretation. So if you're coming from a, from
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a, from a Christian or biblical perspective, I think the correct
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interpretation is thou shalt not murder.
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There's a difference because remember, wars are also killing.
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But there were many wars in biblical times that were, shall
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we say, ordained by God. God is absolutely rooting for
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the children of Israel in a lot of these these conflicts and he
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is killing lots of enemies. So you're right, I see that and
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David being being a bit of a killer himself.
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I mean, if somebody comes into your home and tries to kill your
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family and you shoot them or you stab them to death or whatever,
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that is a self defence. That is not that is not murder
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because it's not a a pre emptive behaviour.
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It is a reactive behaviour. And I said, what is sane person?
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What is the the word the Greek word that I don't use for you
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see? This is God.
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No, this is the problem, isn't it?
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I've, I've, I often say that Christianity is the the biggest,
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widest and deepest of all the rabbit holes because once you
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start getting interested in it. Thank you.
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Once you start getting in it from a from a sort of there's a
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certain certain kind of Christian I've I've the reason
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I'm talking about this is because it because it's I'm
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writing a piece about this at the moment.
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It's bugging me. This is all to do with a podcast
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I did with recently with your friend and mine, William Fink.
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He's he's so interesting. But it seems to me that there
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are roughly two types of, well, lots of different categories of
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Christian. But I'd say that there's the
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trust, the plan variety and the trust.
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The plan is the kind that takes it on trust that what his pastor
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or his minister or his Catholic priest or his Orthodox priest
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has told him and he's brought up belief.
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That is absolutely the correct version.
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And the you cannot deviate from that.
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It's just everything they know has been taught is true and
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right, and that is what they believe, and they ain't going to
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change. And then there's those of us who
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who started exploring Christianity from an awake
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perspective and we go, what? Hang on a second.
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There are all these different denominations.
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The Catholics, by the way, don't don't consider themselves to be
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a denomination at all. They consider themselves to be
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the church, the mother church, and they think everyone else is
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basically a heretic and they're going to, we're all going to
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burn in hell. So, so there's that.
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So you get all these different denominations with wildly
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different views on all sorts of things.
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For example, what is the correct number of books to have in the
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Bible? And that's quite a big deal,
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isn't it? That's different churches have
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different views on how many books what books are are are
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correct. What books are are non canonical
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or or apocryphal. The churches have different
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positions on on the nature of of the Virgin Mary.
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Is she really the queen of heaven or is that is, is that
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just a kind of borrowing from Babylonian, Sumerian mythology
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and and so on and and and so forth.
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Where am I, where am I going with this?
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I think that if you are curious, you have to approach
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Christianity with a, with a, with a spirit of
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adventurousness, light, skepticism, respect obviously
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for the different traditions, but at the same time an
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awareness that someone, somewhere, in fact quite a lot
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of people have got their stuff badly wrong.
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Yes, I'll add to what you're saying that it's also about
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approaching it from, let's say a realistic or a historical
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perspective. Because the problem I have
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found, I don't know if you had this issue growing up, like in
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church, they become so caught up in what appears to be sort of
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sensational mysticism, you know, and they don't look at what
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really actually happened biblically.
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Like, let's go back 1000 BC. Did you know, what did the
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region look like? What were the people doing?
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I think what one of my favorite insights of his.
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Obviously I'm biased here, but I like the idea that the children
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of Israel ended up in what became known as Christendom.
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And it makes absolute sense to me, absolute sense it it makes
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emotional sense. It makes intellectual sense.
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It it puzzles me that you get a certain kind of a good example
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of this is CS Lewis. CS Lewis is often held up to be
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the the model Christian. He's a fantastic Christian
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apologist. We love him etcetera, but when
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reading his appalling book on the Psalms, it really is one of
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his more dismal books. And it's clear that CS Lewis,
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this ardent Christian, nevertheless looks at the Psalms
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as this as this thing that belongs to the people he
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considers to be the Jews. That it that it the Old
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Testament thing is not so much a Christian thing.
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That is not at all not at all my perspective on the Psalms.
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And when I when I when I read the psalmist talking, oh,
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blessed are the people. What is it?
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I'm just learning this one about the blessed are the people whose
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God is the Lord Jehovah. Blessed are the folk that he
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hath chosen to him to be his inheritance.
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That's Psalm 33. It's, it's fantastic.
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And I listen to those those lines or recite them, and I
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think that's me. That is, I am one of the
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descendants of the children of Israel.
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I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it, when you think about just
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setting aside the Bible for a moment.
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Historically, we know, for example, that apparently every
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person in England is of white extraction anyway, is is
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descended from can claim descendants from Edward the
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third. Because if you go back far, far
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enough in history, we're, we're all kind of, we all go to the
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same what we all, we, I suppose we all go back to Adam and Eve
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in the end. But you think about how long ago
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the, the children of Israel were around.
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We're talking what, a couple of 1000 years BC and we've even
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longer and and the diaspora the the the periods were in in exile
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and stuff. Where did they all end up?
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Is nobody curious about this? There was a remarkable lack of
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curiosity among Christians. Yes, that's the point I was
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making about modern church generally being shallow.
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It doesn't look at the historicity of Christianity.
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Now this is important because you don't have to be a Christian
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to have this discussion. Well, of course, this discussion
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has really been loaded by the the issue of Israel.
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What is Israel? Well.
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That is, that is a fundamental issue.
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It's huge. It's taken of everything.
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Yeah, yes. How many Zionist Christians are?
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There are more Zionist Christians than there are Jewish
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Zionists. I believe it's not.
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Jews. Jews.
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Yeah, there are more Zionist Christians than there are Jews.
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Yeah, well, that's a fantastic psyop win for the Jews, for all,
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for the. Zionists and that's and that's a
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big part of the history of Christianity is that it's been
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it's been psyopped into be becoming Judeo Christianity.
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Sorry, Co opt Co opted. It's, well, it also is a psyop,
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I suppose. Yeah, yeah.
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Because the the idea that Christianity is somehow linked
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to do to Judaism is only about the last 150 years anyway.
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Juda Schofield and Derby and the Oxford University promoting this
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idea, and it's taken hold amazingly.
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It's even worse than that. It's even worse than that.
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I the vibe I get from certainly the Zion, those are the Zionist
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Christian persuasion is that they feel inferior to Jews.
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They, it's like, yeah, the, the Jews are the rock stars of, of,
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of, of, of the world because they are literally God's chosen
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people, whereas we are mere Christians and we're not fit to
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blah, blah, blah. You, you get that, don't you?
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Which I find extraordinary. I mean, I view, I mean, maybe I
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was maybe when I was younger, when I, when I was more of a
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snob and I used to think like I was born to rule and stuff and I
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had that, that education and etcetera.
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But I have to say that since my awakening, I've become, I mean,
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obviously I still get fox hunting, but I've become a man
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of the people. I, I, I love everybody.
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I do. I, I, I, I, Jews, Christians,
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Muslims, or whatever. We're all.
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We're all. Gods.
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Well, it's not about that, though.
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You don't have to add that disclaimer, that's the thing.
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No, it's not. It's not even the disclaimer.
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What I'm what I'm saying is, I'm putting in context my absolute
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abhorrence of the notion that the Jews should be considered to
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be special, because they ain't. They're not.
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That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.
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Yeah, within the biblical context, they're not special.
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Well, well, it of course, it depends on the translation of
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the word Jew and, and, and, and whether you think that's the
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same as the, as the, as the Hebrews and the children of
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Israel. And, and you get this, you get
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this complicated mix, don't you, where you've got what the Bible
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says, but then what the different translations of the
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Bible says, particularly of, of, of, of, of keyword words.
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And then you get the stuff that's sort of extra biblical
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where you have to look at other historians, Josephus or
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whatever, Tacitus, what or what even the Assyrian historians
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tell us about the movements of peoples in those, those those
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far off off times. And you and you then sort of
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form a kind of meta analysis based on, yeah, on the one hand
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the Bible, on the other hand, all the other sorts sources,
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archaeology, it's and then you try and form an intelligent
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view, but you can't just go, well, my particular favoured
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translation of the Bible says this.
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And my my preferred interpretation is this.
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A very important conversation actually is the the the
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preservation of Christendom. Why?
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Because it is intricately linked to the West.
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And it it also makes sense when you see it in terms of of race,
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which is a very, very difficult topic for a lot of, a lot of
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people. I really don't want to offend
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people. I just think people need to get
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their priorities sorted and their priority, everyone's
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priority, not just kind of shock jocks like you and me should be
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the truth that that Jamie Franklin makes this point in his
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in, in his rather good new book. And I've made it a few times as
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well, that what are the things we should believe in what what
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should be our our guiding principles?
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I think they're truth, goodness and beauty.
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We're naturally drawn to their expressions of God.
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And I think we are naturally drawn to God.
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So if you're not being drawn to the truth, you should ask
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yourself, well, hang on a second, am I doing it right?
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And the answer is, by the way, no, you're not.
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You should be able to say these things without without fear.
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The thing that puzzles me about atheists.
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OK, well, well, how do you explain how we got here?
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And they say, well, I I don't, I've never thought about it.
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I don't want to think about The Big Bang one second.
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Everything exploded out of nothing.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And is expanding into Infinity
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and also into itself. Yeah, that makes sense.
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Do you know what one of things I'm really glad about since
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since going down the rabbit hole, I'm so glad that I no
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longer have to take science, science seriously because what,
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what, what did you, what did you read at university or did you
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not go? I did, but I failed.
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Oh, nice one mate. No, that's I'm a.
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Varsity dropout I've. Risked.
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I've made nothing of my life. I was really lucky with my, with
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my tutor, who he wasn't, he wasn't professor because he
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wasn't interested in the kind of the, the, the fake titles of the
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academic system. But he, he, he was very good.
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He taught me how to think and, and although I was an anomie in
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those days, nevertheless, I, I did feel that my mind was, was
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honed and I'm eternally his name, Peter Conrad and I'm, I'm
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eternally grateful of him for, for, for, for doing that.
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But anyway, what so I did, I did an English degree and I remember
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in the years afterwards, there was all this this pressure put
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on one by by the prevailing culture to feel bad about having
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read an art subject that that it was somehow worth it.
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You was a bit like the Zionist Christians feel towards the Jews
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that they're better. One was encouraged culturally,
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subtly to think that the scientists, they're the thing.
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Oh, the scientists, Newton Boyle, Hook, the Royal Society,
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the experts, they know, they know the science and and they
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know the truth. And wrapped up in this was the
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idea that of course, well, things like Darwin was the, was
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maybe the greatest, greatest ever Englishman because he
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replaced all that God nonsense with the truth, which was we,
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we, we, we crawled out of the primordial slime and we
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gradually evolved. And we're, we're, we're related
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to the apes and I'm, I'm so, and, and the idea that one has
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to try to understand planetary motion, that, that, that, that
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sometimes we're near and sometimes we're far.
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And we, we, we, we describe these weird, elliptical,
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impossible things that you, that nobody understands.
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And now I rise, you're not meant to understand them because
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they're not true. You're just meant to go, Oh
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yeah, yeah, that's right. And you just said that and it
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must be true. It's all rubbish.
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Anyone who's been in this area for a while becomes familiar
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with MK Ultra, the, the, the Cias brainwashing program and we
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all go, well, that's terrible. Imagine what it's like being one
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of those MK Ultra victims and waiting for your trigger word
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to, to, to send you off to shoot, to attempt to shoot, to
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be a Patsy, shooting JFK or whatever.
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But actually, everyone pretty much has been a victim of this
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kind of programming. We've been given these
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information and these these buzzwords like Winston Churchill
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and you're supposed to go, yeah. Bulldog, cigar, Tommy Gun.
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He was the. He was the hero of World War 2
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and Hitler was the Great Satan. Yeah, yeah, and, and, and Darwin
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genius overturned all that nonsense.
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But Galileo, Galileo, the hero who took on the primitive belief
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system of the Catholic, the superstitions of the Catholic
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Church and, and it's all lies. It's all just, or it's a very,
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very heavily tweaked in a particular direction.
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Everything we're taught is just just programming.
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I went to a party the other day. This this an English garden
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party was fantastic. Was, there was a, there was a
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marquee and it was loads and loads of drinks, whatever drink
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you wanted and, and lovely little canapes and people I
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wanted to see and lots of Parkland where you could park
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your car. And, and it was a dry day
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because we're, we're having a, a geoengineered drought at the
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moment by the, by the powers that be.
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And rather sadly, my wife was unable to come with me, which
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meant that I could behave really, really badly.
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Normally, normally I'd be talking about, I'd be, I'd be
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keeping my conversation quite, quite careful in case I got
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rumbled. But this time I've just every
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conversation I was just going in and, and sort of red Pilling
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everybody and talking about the nonsense.
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But you're right, fun though it is to to go around talking
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about, look, look up, look at the what are those lines in the
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sky? Why do they disperse like that?
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Are you sure that's what meant to happen?
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And have you noticed this wind? When did you ever remember wind
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like this? When did you ever remember being
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this dry? This stuff?
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It's it's fun doing it, but you realize that you're just a
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basically a gibbering loon to most of them.
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They don't. They don't get it.
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Yes, but have you noticed though who tends to be happier?
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Oh, we're, we're living. We're living in the truth, man.
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We're. Yeah, it's great.
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It's great discovering how awful the world it really is.
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I mean, it is. But it's also great discovering
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how you can not be defeated. I, I think absolutely,
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absolutely. I tell you what, do you know
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what's been really, really in my thoughts more than anything
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recently? This is the time of the year
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when the first batch of swallows ha or they, they fly.
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So the weekend just gone was when the swallows that make
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their nest every year in the shed opposite the bathroom where
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I clean my teeth in the morning. So I'm cleaning my teeth and I
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look out of the window and I see that the, the, the mating pair
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of swallows get more and more frantic on their, on their
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entrances and exits because they've got these, these little
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greedy little bastards with their huge beaks to feed.
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And they're really, they're, they're, they're effectively
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grown-ups and they should be feeding themselves by now.
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And then the, the, you see them hopping out onto the kind we,
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we, we've blocked off the entrance to this, to this shed
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with a sort of some picket fencing.
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And you, they, they sometimes sit on there for a while waiting
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to sort of, sort of stretching their wings, waiting to have a
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go. And then they they might make a
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little foray to the to, to A, to a roof and then back And then,
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and then the next day you see them swooping and diving and and
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I reckon that in the last over the last weekend, the, the
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swallow population has quadrupled because the breeding
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pairs now their offspring are out up in the air.
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And with luck, we're going to get maybe well, suddenly one
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more brood. I've seen 2/3 broods in the
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season. Well, they're leaving it quite
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late for the for the migration S again, but the joy of seeing
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that matters so much more than what Keir Starmer is is doing.
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And you know, he's doing annoying things and you just got
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to kind of laugh it off and focus on what matters.
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Yeah, Bob Moore and makes a great comment.
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He says approach everything as if it's satire.
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And he is so right. Because it is it.
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It absolutely is. I, I, I, the, the, the
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narratives that we're given, like the one about have you been
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following the Lucy Connolly thing?
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The Lucy Connolly is she or isn't she?
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There's this story which is appearing in the papers about
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this woman called Lucy Connolly. And Lucy Connolly, according to
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the story of being sold to us, tweeted out something about
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something inflammatory following the the southern southern middle
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S is it was it southern some the Taylor Swift dance class girls
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that were allegedly murdered by an an immigrant immigrant
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terrorist? I I see I don't believe any of
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these stories. And allegedly this woman was,
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was, was put in prison because of an inflammatory tweet.
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And we're being invited to believe that this is a terrible
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injustice. If it if, if this is what
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actually happened and if she's, if she's in prison, etcetera,
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etcetera. Yes, all these stories should be
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treated as SATA, but also they should be be you should always
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add, add if it really happened because I don't trust any,
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anything I, I see in the papers anything.
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We're also manipulated. Well, that's what Kid Knightley
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from Off Guardian says. If you read something in the
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mainstream media, or even alternative media to some to a
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large degree these days, treat it as by default as if it's
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false. Yeah.
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Or at the very least, ask yourself what how it's been
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slanted, what agenda it's trying to push, which is which is
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normally normally fairly obvious.
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And my friend Nick Hudson also makes a great comment that's
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sort of overlapping. He says any big event that
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happens anyway is either fabricated or entirely false.
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That's, that's the sort of version of, I can't remember,
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it's Jellingpoll's first law or Jellingpoll's second law, but it
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goes something like the more you know about something, the less
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likely it is that it actually happened.
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So moon landings, we all know about the moon landings didn't
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happen. Ken lone lone gunman killing
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Kennedy. Nah, did not happen.
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Titanic hit by an iceberg. Nah, Nah.
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All these, all these stories. I mean the charge of the Light
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Brigade. I wonder, wonder what actually
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happened with the charge of the Light Brigade.
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Maybe, maybe. No, nobody died, no horses were
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killed. I don't know.
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Why is everything fabricated? Oh, that's easy.
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That's really easy because the world is run and always has been
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run by very, very, very small number of people.
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We could, we could, we could take them out anytime because
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there's, there's gazillions of us, billions of us, certainly,
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and there's only what, few thousand of them, the best.
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So we could take them out easy, but we don't what?
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Why not? Because we don't know.
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Most people don't know that the world is run by title, that
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they, they, they might sort of been lightly infer it, but they
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don't really follow through. They've never never thought
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about it deeply. Do you buy?
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Do you buy the argument that the world's run by Jews?
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No, I'm, I'm. Do you really want to know?
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Yeah, that's what I'm asking. I'm, I'm, I'm very much of the,
26:29
the Jesse Sabota school. Jesse Sabota.
26:33
Some people don't, Some people think that she's not.
26:36
She's just makes it all up. I think that she has a a
26:44
worryingly detailed knowledge of the satanic system, which to me
26:52
accords with what we know about Ephesians, the the rulers of the
26:58
darkness of this world, you know, spiritual wickedness in
27:00
high places. The idea that the world is, is,
27:05
has been the, the, the, the Satan is the God of this world
27:10
and various of his kind of junior princelings have got
27:14
these patches, the, the Prince of Persia and, and, and whatever
27:18
they have the different and in the same way, the, the, the
27:23
followers of, of Satan, the human, the human followers, the
27:30
people who practice what's known as the old, the old religion.
27:34
In other words, the, the, the, the, the same religious
27:36
practices that the Canaanites engaged in that the Phoenicians
27:41
engaged in with child sacrifice and so on.
27:44
You know that the the gods had different names, but they had
27:47
the same, they've had same yearnings for human flesh and
27:51
particularly children, children being sacrificed.
27:54
They feed on that because I suppose killing an innocent
27:57
child is an affront to God and affronting God is what they
28:00
really want to do all the time. So I think per Jesse Sabota's
28:08
various podcasts about this, that different parts of the
28:15
world have been divided into different jurisdictions and
28:22
they're all 04. They're all devil worshippers,
28:27
Satanists follows the old religion.
28:30
But some of them kind of have the, the, the Jew badge.
28:35
Some of them have the, the Mason Freemason badge.
28:38
Some of them have the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons.
28:42
In other words, you've got representatives of, of Satanism
28:47
in all the different religions. The Catholic Church, obviously
28:53
it's got, it's got fairly healthy representation.
28:55
I mean, I, I would say that the people who call themselves Jews
28:59
probably punch above their weight in terms of the, the
29:03
patches that they control. For example, the entertainment
29:06
industry and the movie industry. That's quite a bit that's quite
29:09
a big deal. The banking industry as well is
29:13
pretty, is pretty heavily infiltrated in that school.
29:15
But like, no, I don't think that in so far as the word Jews has
29:20
any meaning anyway, because it's quite, I mean, Talmudic Judaism
29:25
is, is, is quite a modern religion actually, which I think
29:28
we, I think we, we, we can probably agree doesn't really
29:31
have an awful lot to do with the, with the Old Testament.
29:34
I mean, even though they, they, they, the, the number of Jews
29:38
who are actually interested in the Torah, I think is, is, is
29:40
not as great as, as I think Zionist Christians might
29:43
imagine. Do you see what I'm saying here?
29:45
So you've, you've got different criminal gangs.
29:47
I don't, I don't, I think it's too simplistic to, to blame the
29:51
Jews. And also I feel very
29:53
uncomfortable given that. I mean, I used to, I've always
30:01
found that my Jewish friends have punched above their weight
30:04
in terms of being funny and erudite and stuff.
30:07
I mean, you could you could argue that's due to generations
30:09
of breeding where they're selected for intelligence and
30:11
and, and wit and stuff. But what always makes me
30:15
uncomfortable when people say it's the Jews.
30:17
And I think, well, hang on a second, do you mean everyone in
30:20
this world is Jewish? Well, you don't you?
30:23
Yeah, sure. You mean families like the
30:25
Rothschilds, obviously, But most ordinary Jews, They're just,
30:28
they're just as victims of this as much of the rest of us.
30:33
Well, that's, that's exactly what I was asking, because I do
30:36
think that it is a little bit of a trope.
30:38
You know, that it's the Jews thing.
30:40
It's the same thing as saying safe and effective because it's
30:43
very vague and it doesn't really mean anything.
30:46
Can I also say that I don't like to spend too much time
30:50
protesting too much, that I don't think it's the Jews
30:53
because I think that that that's, that's that it is set
30:55
itself as another chap. The the the moment you start the
30:58
whole debate is so fraught that you can't even it.
31:06
It's a minefield where you can't even say I don't think it's
31:10
totally the Jews without them being accused of of being naive,
31:17
victim of a psyop, dishonest or whatever.
31:21
If I thought it was the Jews, I would say, I mean even if it
31:26
meant being being killed. But my research is so far
31:30
suggest to me that no, there was it, it is also the Vatican.
31:35
It is also the the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons.
31:38
And it is definitely the Freemasons and it is probably
31:41
the old Italian bloodline, papal bloodline families.
31:45
So that's my, that's my answer. That's the best my best answer
31:48
at the moment. Well, I mean, I look at it also
31:53
like this when, when movements like Black Lives Matter and the
31:57
LGBTQ movement and all that blame whites for everything
32:01
that's wrong in the world, I see it as the same thing.
32:05
When you blame Jews for everything that's wrong in the
32:07
world. What you're effectively doing is
32:10
promoting them to superhero status, that they have this
32:14
ability to control everything and everyone.
32:18
And it it pushes you into a perpetual mindset of victimhood.
32:23
I do you know what? I kind of don't agree with that
32:26
argument. I, I, I see it, I see it, I see
32:31
it in, in chats where supposedly awake people tell me you really
32:41
couldn't, shouldn't credit the Illuminati.
32:44
Let's call them the Illuminati or, or the, the cabal, whoever
32:47
runs the world, you really shouldn't credit them with so
32:50
much intelligence and, and, and power and etcetera.
32:54
And I'm going hang on a second. What we shouldn't give credit to
32:59
people who've been running the world for the last five or 6000
33:03
years. You're.
33:05
Yeah. But hold on, hold on.
33:06
Yeah, but hold on. This, this.
33:08
There's an overlap there saying white people or Jews.
33:13
You're looking at one characteristic.
33:16
A group of globalists or a cabal can be all sorts of different
33:22
people. Do you follow?
33:25
Yeah, I do. I, I, I'm not sure it's a, it's
33:29
a particularly useful distinction, particularly not in
33:33
the context of, I mean, if you take William Fink's theories
33:39
seriously, then it does, it does kind of mean, I mean, I, I think
33:46
one has to be modest about this, but it does kind of mean that
33:49
Christendom is kind of special because it is descended from
33:54
actually people who are really were God's chosen people, Which
33:58
is why it's such a very, very tricky thing.
34:01
Because on the one hand, I like the idea that, hey, yeah, I'm
34:06
one of the descendants of the 12 tribes.
34:08
At the same time, I'm thinking, hang on a second.
34:11
That means that I'm, I'm the descendant of one of those
34:14
tribes that God was enjoining to wipe out all the other tribes.
34:20
And because of my upbringing. And your upbringing will be the
34:25
same. We've kind of been taught to be,
34:28
to feel a bit uncomfortable about that, haven't we?
34:30
I mean. Well, what you're trying to say
34:32
is, yeah. So what you're trying to say is
34:35
that the the the argument that Fink makes is that the
34:39
Israelites were white, and so therefore the chosen people are
34:43
white. Exactly.
34:46
Also in some of my other researches, Nimrod, You know
34:55
about Nimrod. Nimrod was the great hunter who
34:59
who who sort of masterminded the Tower of Babel.
35:06
I think Nimrod may have been black, and he was.
35:14
He was a baddie. He was a baddie.
35:16
Now, I don't know whether if I were, if I were, if I were
35:21
black, I'd feel good about that or bad.
35:22
I mean, on the one hand, I'd be thinking he was a bad ass.
35:25
And he was a really good hunter and he had a really good gang of
35:28
hunters. And they did lots of, yeah, they
35:31
got rid of all the a lot of the wild beasts which were predating
35:35
on people at the time. And he was pretty ambitious and
35:38
cool. And Elgar, Elgar wrote one of
35:43
his most beautiful pieces of music.
35:45
And which is another thing, by the way, sorry, Skitter
35:48
skittering around. What is Elgar?
35:51
Edward Elgar doing? Writing music in praise of one
35:57
of the most evil people in the Bible.
36:01
I was at school in Morven for 10 years of my life.
36:04
We were taught to Revere Elgar. It's one of the great things,
36:07
the fact that the Enigma Variations were written in the
36:10
shape of the Morven hills, I think.
36:13
And and you're thinking, OK, so you wrote some nice, nice tunes,
36:19
some jolly patriotic tunes, pomp and circumstance and stuff.
36:24
And then what? What's he doing?
36:28
What? Why was he into Nimrod?
36:30
And then you start thinking, is everyone who gets to be that
36:34
famous, are they in the game on some?
36:36
How do they all? Have they all paid homage in
36:40
some way to the old gods? Have they all made the pact?
36:46
It's a bit of a Segway, but what has been your biggest red pull?
36:55
Well, if I'm honest, OK, so my first red pill was the climate
37:01
changes bollocks red pill I spent.
37:04
Yeah, I mean, that was that was. But you see a bit like the
37:09
normies who've gone back to thinking everything's back to
37:11
normal after after COVID, I despite the bombshell
37:16
discovering that the entire COVID is just a.
37:18
Placeholder. The word COVID is just a
37:20
placeholder. That's all it is.
37:22
Yeah, it is. It is.
37:23
Yeah, I, I But then you if you use words like pandemic, it just
37:27
makes you sound like a it's like what?
37:29
People use the word sheeple. And I'm thinking no, no, don't
37:32
use the word sheeple. It really doesn't it, it's not
37:35
witty. It's not.
37:36
Anyway, so I discovered that the entire field of ecology,
37:42
environmentalism, sustainability, everything to do
37:45
with that was complete ballots, which which actually, when you
37:47
think about it, is quite a big deal because that's about half
37:51
the world's economy and and about 1/3 of the world's
37:54
academic post. So that was a big deal.
37:56
But I thought that's also the basis of sustainable
37:58
development. It's the basic.
38:00
It is. It is the new religion actually.
38:02
So. So, yeah.
38:03
So I just, I learned all this and then I kind of said to
38:08
myself, yeah, OK, well, I've I've rumbled this massive,
38:11
massive scam. But obviously all, all the other
38:16
things that I haven't investigated, they're all right
38:18
to the all these other, other branches of science, they're
38:23
legitimate evolution. Obviously that's what happened.
38:27
So I didn't have to have my second awakening in the form of
38:34
the I feel, I feel embarrassed about this because I because I
38:37
now realize that Trump is an Apollo worshipping Luciferian,
38:40
bad actor, Zionist, etcetera. But this stolen election of what
38:47
was it 2020, the stolen the stolen election.
38:52
It wasn't so much that I could see the election being stolen by
38:58
an incontinent Charles Snitz stroking the guy whose son was
39:04
probably being in the pay of China and and had it some
39:07
extraordinarily disgusting stuff on his laptop and the guy who
39:11
was so unpopular that that that his mind was wouldn't allow on
39:15
the campaign trail. It wasn't so much that that this
39:18
guy was allowed was was allowed to win the presidential election
39:22
become so-called leader of the free world.
39:26
What shocked and appalled me was to see all my media colleagues,
39:31
the guys who I thought would be in the trenches with you and me,
39:34
saying, yeah, and the reason Biden won is because he's
39:39
statesmanlike and popular. And whatever lies they made-up
39:44
to explain why this guy, the the continent loser, won rather than
39:49
the popular guy. I said yeah, one second.
39:52
I became a journalist in order to find out the truth because
39:58
I'm, I'm a nosy, but I'm just, I want to know what's, how the
40:01
world really works and what's going on.
40:03
And I'd never make stuff up for an article because I, I thought
40:08
that's, that was, that was like a bad thing.
40:10
That's, that's not what journalists do or not, not in
40:13
the stories anyway. They're, they're not in the
40:16
movies. They're kind of heroes and
40:17
they're truth seekers and stuff. And I, I was that naive.
40:20
I, I really thought that was my job too.
40:24
And when I saw everyone else. All these guys I've had drinks
40:28
with over the years and trusted not doing what I thought was
40:32
their job. I thought, hold on a second, if,
40:34
if, if my ideas about journalism aren't true and the media aren't
40:39
true, what else do I need to question?
40:43
And I gradually realized that I need to question everything.
40:45
So it was, that's, that's how it worked.
40:49
I, I think you've got to credit these people.
40:52
They, they do a pretty good job, don't they?
40:56
I mean, they work really hard to do.
40:58
They think of every angle, they think of every, every detail.
41:03
And I kind of, I kind of have a grudging respect for them, even
41:06
though of course they're going to, sadly, they're going to burn
41:10
in hell or freeze in hell, depending on what you think the
41:12
deal is about, about hell. They're, they're, they're not
41:18
going to, they're, they're, they're, they're their time in
41:23
the sun is, is short lived. There's a very good song.
41:26
Now I'm going to, I'm going to learn my next Psalm is going to
41:28
be Psalm 73 where it talks about this, where the, where the,
41:31
where the narrator of the Psalm says, look, I'm really, I know
41:36
you're, I know you're great God, but I'm kind of a bit upset at
41:39
the moment, but I'm looking at these really, really bad people
41:43
and they're getting away with murder and they're, they're,
41:46
they're rich and they're, they're successful and
41:48
everything's going well for them.
41:51
And, and then later on in the Psalm, he goes, well, how is it
41:54
then? Then I, I went into the House of
41:56
the Lord and, and sought further advice and I discovered what's
42:00
going to happen to these people. And it ain't going to be fun.
42:03
So we should be really gentle. We should be praying for these
42:06
people every day that they may see the error of their ways.
42:10
You know what is the moral of the story?
42:17
Put thou thy trust in the Lord and be doing good.
42:20
Dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
42:24
Delight thou in the Lord, and he shall give thee thy heart's
42:27
desire. I think that's all you.
42:28
That's all you can do. Look, I, I don't have the the
42:35
man skills to go off off grid and, and get a kind of small
42:39
holding and, and and milk goats every day.
42:43
I apart from anything else, my family wouldn't buy it.
42:45
They just they because they're not, they're not into this kind
42:47
of thing. I think that Bob is right.
42:52
You've got to treat all the news of satire and and you've got to
42:57
assume that everything is a lie. I'm not sure what we can do as
43:03
individuals other than opt out of this lie system that they've
43:09
created to manipulate us and do what you and I do, which is to
43:14
spread the word and, and both forms of word that the word with
43:18
a capital W because I think that the more of us that pray to God,
43:23
the more it this was this is another of my, my recent
43:31
insights. I've been reading this book
43:34
published in in the 1880s. I think it's called Earth's
43:45
earliest ages. And it talks about the setup and
43:52
it asks it answers the questions, a few questions that
43:55
I've always wondered about like, OK, well, how do the the foot,
44:01
how do the rebel angels fit into the time scheme?
44:03
What was what was happening before Adam and Eve came on,
44:06
came on board? I think what I've what I've
44:10
worked out is that the very that, as John tells us, Satan is
44:20
that the God of this world? I mean, he wasn't, he was a
44:23
Prince. He was that that's that's why he
44:26
fell. He was, he was, he was probably
44:28
God's favorite and if and his arrogance, which is undoing,
44:33
which is why pride is considered to be the worst of the sins
44:36
because it's the, it's, it's Satan's, it's Satan's sin.
44:42
And he's, he's, he's, he's been, he's good at his game and he's,
44:47
he's amassed these, this, this army of, of, of, of demons and
44:52
devils and, and, and, and, and obviously human supporters.
44:57
And they're really, really doing pretty well.
45:01
And although we know God wins in the end, because how could he
45:05
not? Because he created everything at
45:08
the same time, the struggle now is real.
45:12
And the bad guys are doing pretty well.
45:15
And the, the forces of light and goodness, like if you're led by
45:19
the the Archangel Mike Michael, who's the commander of, of, of
45:24
God's God's heavenly host, they, they need our, they need our
45:29
help in the form of prayers. It does make a difference.
45:32
And I think one has to take this stuff, stuff seriously.
45:36
So, yeah. So we need to preach the word
45:39
with a capital W, but also the word with a, with a, with a, a
45:42
lower case W, which is the truth about the true nature of the
45:47
world. I think the more people
45:49
understand, the better equipped they'll be to formulate their
45:54
own personal strategy for dealing with this craziness.
45:56
Because we've all got different skills to bring to the party,
45:59
haven't we? I mean, I'm quite good at
46:01
talking drivel for an hour on a podcast.
46:05
Other others maybe, it maybe may have different.
46:07
Yeah, exactly. You too, mate.
46:08
I mean, it's God has given us this.
46:11
Imagine. Yes.
46:12
And I'm going to give to James and Germ the ability to talk
46:18
rubbish entertainingly for a whole hour or more.
46:22
And they're, they're going to spread my word.
46:25
Yeah, we've all got different skills and that.
46:31
Does that make sense? It makes perfect sense.
46:35
I think that that one of the the terms I I I dislike is is is
46:40
contrarian as as if one picks a position just because it's in
46:45
opposition to what everyone else thinks.
46:48
And that's never been I, I always go for what I think is
46:52
true, even if I've been wrong in the past.
46:55
But I think that that's, that's got to be the mission to, to
47:00
cleave to the truth and adjust your position according to to
47:06
what once you weighed it on the scales.
47:08
If you find that that that actually there's counter
47:12
evidence which which leads you in a different direction, well
47:14
then then look at that. But it's how for me, for
47:17
example, a big red poll for me in the the COVID era is how
47:23
wrong Ben Shapiro actually is when he says facts don't care
47:27
about your feelings. And I would argue that facts
47:30
don't really matter. That's what that's being a huge
47:34
awakening for me, how important narratives and storytelling
47:37
actually are. And they are the foundation of
47:40
humanity, not facts or evidence. Well, I suppose if you, if you,
47:44
if you. It depends on how you define
47:46
fact. If, if, if, if, if you, if you
47:49
define a fact as an embodiment of, of, of truth, then obviously
47:52
facts do matter. But I think I, I know the sense
47:55
you're, you're talking about facts that facts as a kind of as
48:01
a manipulative device to insert into a narrative to make it more
48:04
credible. Yeah, I discovered, by the way,
48:08
I did, I did discover recently an issue that I'm not sure
48:14
about. I've been reading this very
48:19
interesting book on artifacts taken from around the world and
48:27
brought back to museums in, in the, in the great capital cities
48:30
of Europe. So I was reading an essay about
48:34
the Nefertiti bust in, in the the Noyers Noyers museum in, in,
48:45
in Berlin. You must have seen it.
48:48
It's, it's, it's possibly the most beautiful bust ever made.
48:53
Nefertiti was Akhenaten's wife and Akhenaten was the rebel, was
48:58
the rebel pharaoh who who decided that everything was all,
49:04
all previous religious practice was, was was now going to be
49:08
altered and that everyone's going to worship the sun gods.
49:10
And he's sometimes credited with being the first monotheistic
49:17
world leader and that and somebody write an opera about
49:21
him. Akhenaten.
49:23
Anyway, is it right that that cultural artifacts should be
49:30
lifted from from places like Egypt and shipped off to
49:35
countries where ordinary Egyptians can no longer afford
49:38
the travel or the visas and stuff?
49:40
That's interesting. Well, it's interesting because
49:43
there's all sorts of complications like it was it was
49:48
removed from it was removed from Egypt in the I think the 19 tens
49:56
1920s and the word demands for its repatriation.
50:03
And guess who resisted, who fell in love with it and didn't,
50:07
didn't want it sent back, it being Germany.
50:14
Yeah. Yeah.
50:14
So, so, so you could say this is the bus that Hitler refused to
50:18
return to its rightful, rightful owners.
50:20
But then you've got further, further complications because it
50:23
turns out that the only reason that this bus was rescued was
50:27
because changing irrigation practices in Egypt at the the
50:32
turn of the 19th century, being in the 20th century, meant that
50:37
large areas were going to be flooded.
50:39
These areas where all these, these tombs and artifacts were,
50:44
these, these tombs and artifacts were about to be destroyed.
50:49
So there was a rush of archaeologists saying, look,
50:53
we've got to, we've got to have a concerted international effort
50:56
and we need funding, massive fundings to go in there.
50:59
So in other words, a lot of this stuff would never have been
51:04
revealed had it not been for these, these rich entrepreneurs
51:09
funding these expeditions. Oh, and by the way, here's one
51:12
of the, one of the main funders of the German exhibition was
51:15
Jewish. So you've got this, these,
51:17
you've got these different strands of, of on the one hand,
51:21
this stuff will still be underground and would never have
51:23
been discovered. On the other hand, it, it, it,
51:25
it, it comes from their country. So you see what I mean?
51:28
It's, it's very, very complicated and interesting and
51:29
I quite like that. I quite like something where I'm
51:31
not totally sure what I think. And just like that, James
51:35
disappeared. If James doesn't come back, then
51:39
I will bring this to a close. All right, Well, James just
51:45
vanished. I suspect his connection
51:47
dropped, but since we were coming in for a landing anyway,
51:51
I will recommend following James Dillingpole the dilling pod.
51:58
It's great. Listen and follow James on XI,
52:03
forget what he's handled is, but look him up James Dillingpole
52:07
and hopefully I will get James back in the near future.
52:10
With that in mind, my name is Jeremy.
52:11
This is Jim Warfare, the battle of ideas.