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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Jags Go All-In, College Football Playoff, Ohio State Struggling, Eagles In Rebuild Mode, Puka To IR · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume.
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Speaker 2: All right, John and I didn't do a podcast last night.
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Speaker 2: I had some business to do in Florida and I
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Speaker 2: wasn't around. Plus, it was a god awful. Probably the
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Speaker 2: worst Sunday in... I went back and looked online yesterday
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Speaker 2: in about two and a half years. It was awful.
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Speaker 2: Especially when the New England game didn't turn out. The Bears,
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Speaker 2: which they're prone to do, saved the league by being interesting.
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Speaker 2: I will say, John, with all these international games, what
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Speaker 2: happens is... The teams that come back the following week
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Speaker 2: are usually tired and don't play well. That hurts the quality.
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Speaker 2: You have Thursday night games where those games, let's be honest,
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Speaker 2: you guys are working on about 45% to 55% of
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Speaker 2: the work week. Those games aren't very good. So I
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Speaker 2: think what's happening in that league is I think the
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Speaker 2: quality of football as you get longer in the season,
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Speaker 2: it's rough. because I think the more international games you have,
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Speaker 2: the more teams you have playing off an international game,
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Speaker 2: and the numbers tell you, not great. Also, as the
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Speaker 2: league gets top-heavy, what you're finding is more smaller amounts
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Speaker 2: of teams playing in primetime games Chicago, third straight primetime game,
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Speaker 2: didn't play well. Week before Seattle, third straight primetime game,
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Speaker 2: didn't play well. So I think the league's getting a
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Speaker 2: little like the NBA. It's a little top-heavy. International games
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Speaker 2: hurt the following week. Thursday games are ugly. That's just
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Speaker 2: my opinion. But in the last year to two seasons,
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Speaker 2: I felt like that late window on Fox and CBS
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Speaker 2: gets really— the Arizona Cardinal window— The early windows, the Titans window,
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Speaker 2: the late windows, the Cardinals window. I feel the late
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Speaker 2: window has hurt networks. It's just not as dynamic.
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Speaker 1: Well, the Rams and Niners and Packers can't play each
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Speaker 1: other every week.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So you get a lot of these times where you
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Speaker 1: get Arizona playing Seattle. And that was I hammered that
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Speaker 1: thing is a double digit favorite. It was closer than
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Speaker 1: it probably should have been. But Drew Locke's playing. And
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Speaker 1: we've been talking about this for a while. College has
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Speaker 1: turned into this is the haves and the have nots.
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Speaker 1: And so the balance of power in the NFL, Amazon,
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Speaker 1: the one thing with the NFL is they've given those
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Speaker 1: Thursday night games. They put an emphasis on the teams.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Packers, Colin, played two Thursday night games
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Speaker 1: before Halloween. I mean, that's insane.
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Speaker 2: Also, John, what happens is you're taking Joe Burrow, who
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Speaker 2: played overseas, out of the traditional windows, and then you
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Speaker 2: take a Jordan Love out of the traditional window. Those
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Speaker 2: are two of the top five quarterbacks. Now Lamar Jackson's hurt.
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Speaker 2: Two of the top six quarterbacks are gone. So what
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Speaker 2: you're doing, I mean, this is a quarterback league. If
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Speaker 2: you put two good quarterbacks in a Thursday window and
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Speaker 2: two decent quarterbacks, we had Trevor Lawrence against C.J. Sproud,
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville Houston, a couple of a couple of European games ago,
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Speaker 2: you're talking about four Pro Bowl quarterbacks that can be
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Speaker 2: out of the traditional Sunday window.
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Speaker 1: And then there's that stretch from about mid-October till mid-November
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Speaker 1: where you're just going to have Niners be gone, the
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Speaker 1: Steelers be gone, the Bengals had a bye. You know,
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Speaker 1: some of these teams have byes. So if both of
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Speaker 1: Stafford and Purdy all of a sudden one week are
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Speaker 1: on a bye, I mean, you have two of the
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Speaker 1: high-level teams, two teams that would be in Tom Brady-type
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Speaker 1: calling games gone. Then you factor in Thursday as just
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Speaker 1: taking good teams. Monday clearly got an emphasis once Pataro
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Speaker 1: turned that thing around for ESPN. They get better Monday
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Speaker 1: night games. There are some– I had a buddy tell
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Speaker 1: me this a while back. He's like, there's a rough
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Speaker 1: stretch of Sundays typically now in the NFL for about
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Speaker 1: a month straight, and they can get by with it
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Speaker 1: because a lot of times games are entertaining in football
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Speaker 1: because historically 80% of games are one-score games. I don't
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Speaker 1: know in this world of the dynamic coaches and the
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Speaker 1: dynamic GMs have separated like never before. It's such a
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Speaker 1: quarterback league. The Jets are a good example. The Jets
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Speaker 1: do have a lot of talent. At one point in time,
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Speaker 1: I'm watching them play the Chiefs and going, this might
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Speaker 1: be the most talented 3-14 team of all time. And
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Speaker 1: then as the game went on, Mahomes probably had 50%.
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid treated them like a JV team, and it
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Speaker 1: became blowout city. And I think Andy Reid would tell you,
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Speaker 1: this is definitely not one of our higher-end teams of
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Speaker 1: the group of the last 10 years. And we're beating
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Speaker 1: you by 20-plus points. Look at the Raiders, who are
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Speaker 1: probably going to end up 7-8 wins and have a,
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Speaker 1: I would say, credible season. The Niners could have beat
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Speaker 1: them by 40 points. We're picking them off every play.
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Speaker 1: These games aren't even fair. So I don't know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of practice, a lot
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Speaker 1: of coaches now. You know, the other thing about this
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Speaker 1: profession is is it pays so much money that you
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Speaker 1: get ambitious people that probably aren't as good at their job.
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Speaker 1: Where if you coach in the 80s, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what the average coach was making in 1995, but if
5:08
Speaker 1: you ask Jimmy Johnson, what would he pay in his
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Speaker 1: position coach? Probably like 75 grand. It was like a
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Speaker 1: normal gig. Well, now these gigs pay so much money.
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Speaker 1: You get a lot of people that probably shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: there and they're doing it for the wrong reasons. Players
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Speaker 1: will tell you that off the record. They're like, God,
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Speaker 1: you know, I played in I played at Boise State
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Speaker 1: and then I went to the NFL. I was like,
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Speaker 1: who are these guys? They don't even know what they're
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Speaker 1: talking about. So I think there are a lot of
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Speaker 1: different factors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's why I root for like when I
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Speaker 2: was watching Miami Saturday night and I get Mensa and Carr,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, please land with offensive coaches. It's nothing
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Speaker 2: against Mike McDonald and D'Amico Ryans. D'Amico can't get the
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Speaker 2: offense right, thank God for C.J. Stroud. And Mike McDonald,
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Speaker 2: the minute Clint Kubiak leaves, he hires a 47-year-old guy,
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Speaker 2: Brian Fleury, that's not the same. Selfishly, I root for
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Speaker 2: great offensive coaches to get jobs because it can elevate
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Speaker 2: a B-minus quarterback to a B-plus quarterback. I mean, Dave
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Speaker 2: Canales with Bryce Young. Bryce Young's small, doesn't have a
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Speaker 2: lot of torque, not a great big– he's not– changing outcomes.
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Speaker 2: But Dave Canales, Dan Morgan, the GM, they've surrounded him
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Speaker 2: with good skill people. And it's like, oh, it's a
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Speaker 2: fun watch. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I just, I
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Speaker 2: find that when it used to be that Amazon Thursday
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Speaker 2: game was awful, then Fox got it before that. Remember,
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Speaker 2: and Fox was, Kind of quietly went to the NFL
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Speaker 2: and said, could you at least give us regional rivalries
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Speaker 2: if we're paying all this money so we can get
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Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh Ravens game? Also, it cuts down on travel.
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Speaker 2: You don't want the Chargers playing the Steelers and having
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Speaker 2: an exhausted team. It's already ruining your week as a team.
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Speaker 2: And so when Fox got it, they had more regional
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Speaker 2: rivalries that helped. And then Amazon just said, screw it.
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Speaker 2: We're going to put in big brands here. So, I mean,
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Speaker 2: between the Mondays and the Thursdays, and remember you get
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Speaker 2: to the end of the season, we have Saturday games. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So your traditional Sunday windows, I thought yesterday.
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Speaker 1: And the holidays, Colin and the holidays. I mean, this year, Wednesday, Thanksgiving, Thursday, Thanksgiving,
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Speaker 1: and then black Friday. I mean, you're, you're going to
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Speaker 1: have a stretch of weeks there in late November, early December.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: There are going to be some Sundays when you and
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Speaker 1: I come on and there was three games that day.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's, it's going to be tough sledding.
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Speaker 2: So because we're not doing our traditional Sunday show, we
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Speaker 2: don't need to break down games. I thought, so the
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Speaker 2: college football playoff is official today. And I, I love
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Speaker 2: what they did. Basically. They just said, okay, The four
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Speaker 2: winners of the ACC Big 12, Big 10 SEC get in,
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Speaker 2: and one group of six team gets in. Some want to.
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Speaker 2: I'll argue against that in a second, so that's five.
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Speaker 2: The remaining 19 teams, no favors to Notre Dame. We
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Speaker 2: got out of the favors for Notre Dame. It's the
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Speaker 2: next 19 ranked teams in the committee. Now, you could
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Speaker 2: say we should have two teams from the smaller six conferences.
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Speaker 2: To that, I would say, think how well coached UCLA
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Speaker 2: is with Bob Chesney. He was at James Madison last year.
8:09
Speaker 2: James Madison got in with Bob Chesney. They got their
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Speaker 2: ass kicked by Oregon. I think Oregon scored over 50 points.
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Speaker 2: I like when sports is honest and not trying to
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Speaker 2: create stories. Remember the Russell Westbrook MVP?
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Speaker 1: We're like, well.
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Speaker 2: It's a nice story. Is he the most valuable player?
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Speaker 2: But I understand. I'm happy for players who get awards
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Speaker 2: on their resumes and make the Hall of Fame, and
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Speaker 2: he will. But that's a story more than it really
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Speaker 2: feels like it's true. Sports is at its worst when
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Speaker 2: it's creating things that aren't authentic. There is no– even
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Speaker 2: Boise State could certainly win a game in a 2014 playoff.
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Speaker 2: Now you're asking for a second and a third and
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Speaker 2: a fourth against Bama and Georgia and Texas and Indiana
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Speaker 2: and just a different– I mean, they're spending $ 3 million
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Speaker 2: at Boise State on NIL money and Ohio State spending $ 40. Like,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's not– so to me, that didn't bother me.
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Speaker 2: That bothered a lot of people today. It doesn't bother you.
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Speaker 1: Well, they should have their own playoff. And I'm sitting
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Speaker 1: here with you because of a school, Fresno State, in
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Speaker 1: that region. They should have their own 12-team, non-Power 4–
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Speaker 1: the division one double a does eastern washington cal poly
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Speaker 1: uc davis montana i mean they produce historically a bunch
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Speaker 1: of nfl players no longer because the nil there should
9:29
Speaker 1: be three tiers we do it in high school modern
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Speaker 1: days not playing the tiny little high school we do
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Speaker 1: that i i would say basically at every level except
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Speaker 1: college even in the uh college basketball tournament right It's
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Speaker 1: always been they have the one slot, but it's 64 teams.
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Speaker 1: I've never understood as we've changed the landscape why these
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Speaker 1: teams are playing one double A teams or even honestly,
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Speaker 1: at this point in time, Michigan almost lost to Western Michigan. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that game's going to exist in five years.
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Speaker 1: Is it part of the rule 10 conference games moving forward?
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Speaker 1: I would imagine those two conference games, there are going
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Speaker 1: to be some scheduling alliances that they all just play
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Speaker 1: each other. Keep the money under the umbrella. And I
10:14
Speaker 1: actually think that between Fox, ESPN, the seed, all these
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Speaker 1: different channels, you throw on Boise State, the one seed
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Speaker 1: playing Western Michigan, like those games are just inventory anyway.
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Speaker 1: They would work. You'd have a 12 team. That is
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Speaker 1: where it's headed. Because why, as we get bigger and
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Speaker 1: there is, I mean, we're now in the billions of
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Speaker 1: dollars for the playoff. Why would Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, UCLA, USC,
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Speaker 1: why would they share their money with Boise State? I mean,
10:40
Speaker 1: why would they? Now, if Boise, if they're able to
10:43
Speaker 1: get an alliance and get in with them, which not
10:45
Speaker 1: a terrible idea, like some of these other programs that
10:48
Speaker 1: have worked there. TCU in Utah, you remember, there was
10:51
Speaker 1: a time those schools were like in the whack. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Fresno State in the late 90s, early 2000s played BYU
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Speaker 1: in Utah. They were tiny little schools and they've adapted
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Speaker 1: and now they are big boy programs. So things change.
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Speaker 1: And I think this is inevitable where it's all heading.
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Speaker 1: They're only going to play each other because there's just
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Speaker 1: so much money on the line.
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Speaker 2: And that's fair.
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Speaker 1: And that's fair. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And people are saying, well, this 2014 playoff, you're going
11:14
Speaker 2: to have empty. There's going to be there's 16 games
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Speaker 2: on campus, which I like. And the people say, well.
11:21
Speaker 2: There's going to be games with barely anybody in them.
11:24
Speaker 2: You mean like bowl games now? Yes. And Colin, you'll
11:28
Speaker 2: probably have guys that like bowl games say, I'm not
11:32
Speaker 2: going to play. You may. But my feeling on all
11:37
Speaker 2: this is bowl games, you had 10 teams back out
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Speaker 2: last year. So that was only going to get more ridiculous.
11:45
Speaker 2: The conference championships take out the SEC games. Most of
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Speaker 2: those games are completely mediocre. I mean, what was it
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Speaker 2: last year? Duke was in the ACC championship game. I
11:56
Speaker 2: was like, come on, guys. So to me, this is
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Speaker 2: going to be the NFL.
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Speaker 1: A lot of.
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Speaker 2: Conference games, end of the playoff immediately, no special favors.
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Speaker 1: For Notre Dame.
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Speaker 2: We'll let in Boise State. And then Boise State Army
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Speaker 2: this year is really good if those teams can knock
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Speaker 2: off a win.
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Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think bowl games also, I
12:15
Speaker 1: think to the average sports fan, kind of felt like
12:17
Speaker 1: a scam. you would see these committees paying the guy
12:21
Speaker 1: a million dollars to run the bowl game. It's like,
12:23
Speaker 1: what's really going on? And then you'd watch, they'd be
12:25
Speaker 1: playing at Yankee Stadium. This is a terrible product. And
12:29
Speaker 1: let's face it, as McCaffrey and some of those guys
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Speaker 1: sent the tone, as no one played in the games,
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Speaker 1: their value to me diminished greatly. So to me, it's,
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Speaker 1: you know, and there'll be a time when a guy
12:43
Speaker 1: on the 22nd ranked team in the playoff Said, you
12:47
Speaker 1: know what? It's not it's not worth it for me.
12:49
Speaker 1: I'm going to top 10 picks. We're always going to
12:51
Speaker 1: have these controversies, but things change. We adapt. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, Missouri used to be in like the big
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Speaker 1: eight or whatever. Right now they're in the SEC now. People,
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Speaker 1: I'm with you always. And I'm a West Coast Pac-12 guy.
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Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, things died. We move on. Oregon
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Speaker 1: State and Washington State, they couldn't keep up. And we
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Speaker 1: both I admire how much those programs tried, but money changes.
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Speaker 1: Not every business, you know, can survive when Target or
13:16
Speaker 1: Amazon moves in. I mean, just the way the world.
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Speaker 2: One more college football topic. Ohio State fans are incredulous
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Speaker 2: that they lost to Oregon. And I would just say,
13:28
Speaker 2: let's go back to their last five losses because they've
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Speaker 2: had five losses in the last couple of years. Indiana
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Speaker 2: 13 to 10 and Miami last year. Well, those were
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Speaker 2: the two best teams in the country, right? So you
13:40
Speaker 2: lost to those in the playoff. Okay. That's the, you know,
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Speaker 2: you lost to one of those in the playoff. That's okay.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Texas this year outplayed them on the road, one-yard line,
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Speaker 2: can't fire a coach over that. USC backed into a corner,
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Speaker 2: the Trojans faced with a first-round quarterback, a 19-year-old quarterback
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Speaker 2: in his first start, totally understandable, and Oregon's disappointing. But
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Speaker 2: Oregon feels like they've kind of found their footing in
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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. So I was saying this
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Speaker 2: today on the radio show. That what's happened is like
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Speaker 2: Ohio State fans or Texas fans or maybe Georgia fans
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Speaker 2: and Bama fans have been conditioned to believe, listen, we
14:21
Speaker 2: show up, we got better players. It's like, guys, I
14:23
Speaker 2: watched Notre Dame and BYU. And Notre Dame had better players,
14:29
Speaker 2: but it looked close. And I watched, you know, I'm
14:34
Speaker 2: watching Texas play Missouri. It used to be surprising if
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Speaker 2: a big boy went into Missouri and Missouri took him
14:41
Speaker 2: to the wire. I watched Texas-Missouri. As I watched it
14:44
Speaker 2: in the first half, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is cool.
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Speaker 2: I think Texas is going to win late. This is
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Speaker 2: the new world we live in. I mean, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think it's very difficult for the Ohio State LSU
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Speaker 2: fan to come to terms with this. You're now playing
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Speaker 2: 10 conference games, and you're going into a 2014 playoff.
15:05
Speaker 2: You're going to lose a lot more games, and you're
15:07
Speaker 2: not going to have any Urban Meyer went like 54-4
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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten. It's like, guys, that shit, it's over.
15:15
Speaker 2: I was joking today. That's like when our parents or
15:18
Speaker 2: grandparents used to buy a home for $ 22, 000. That no
15:21
Speaker 2: longer exists. So I don't know. I mean, I think
15:26
Speaker 2: Julian San is probably a little bit better than Buckeye
15:29
Speaker 2: fans in the country want to admit. And they've got
15:32
Speaker 2: a true freshman quarterback and he's over his skis and
15:34
Speaker 2: this is what happens.
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Speaker 1: I think there was a day and age when I
15:37
Speaker 1: first got into college football and then the NFL, you'd
15:41
Speaker 1: hear these scouts that would go to Bama, Urban's programs
15:44
Speaker 1: at the time. There were three or four. you would
15:46
Speaker 1: spend three or four days on campus because they went
15:50
Speaker 1: too deep with guys who were draft picks. Some of
15:52
Speaker 1: them have never played and would get drafted. Matt Castle
15:56
Speaker 1: got drafted. He never played a snap in college. Saban
15:59
Speaker 1: had countless guys who were special teams guys who would
16:03
Speaker 1: get drafted in the fifth, sixth, seventh round. Those guys
16:05
Speaker 1: would immediately transfer and be starters at Kentucky. immediately transfer
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Speaker 1: and be starters at Florida. So the day and age
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Speaker 1: of the depth of college football is, it's never going
16:15
Speaker 1: to be the same unless the rules go backwards. And
16:18
Speaker 1: the other thing is, is Ohio State's a good example.
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Speaker 1: They had a stretch of the last two years loaded
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Speaker 1: with talent. I mean, they won the national championship. There
16:28
Speaker 1: was more NFL talent on last year's team. Did you
16:31
Speaker 1: see Arvell Reese yesterday? He looks like, I don't know,
16:34
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack mixed with Miles Garrett. I mean, he's like
16:37
Speaker 1: 21 years old. Sonny Stiles, every time I watch Washington,
16:42
Speaker 1: he's got some issues in pass coverage. That guy is
16:45
Speaker 1: a player. You know, Caleb Downs made a couple of plays.
16:48
Speaker 1: Like they had a look at all their wide receiver.
16:51
Speaker 1: Like today and like this year, they're depending on Chris
16:54
Speaker 1: Henry's kid, who is a dramatic drop off of the
16:57
Speaker 1: number two wide receivers they've had. And I think the
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Speaker 1: other thing is, they're used to going three deep, kind
17:03
Speaker 1: of like Saban. Tua, Jalen Hurts, Mack Jones. They were
17:06
Speaker 1: always like, CJ Stroud, then they'd have another guy. It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the guy I'm watching right now, I'm honestly floored. Yeah,
17:12
Speaker 1: maybe they missed. Because that guy does not look like
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Speaker 1: an Ohio State player. When I see him walking on campus,
17:16
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys recruited this little guy? Like, this is, whoa,
17:21
Speaker 1: you hoping to get Bryce Young 2.0 here? Like, I
17:24
Speaker 1: can't believe that they went all in on him. But
17:27
Speaker 1: it's harder to find these guys, because obviously, You bring
17:30
Speaker 1: up the Missouri example. Watch Austin Simmons drop back and
17:33
Speaker 1: sling that thing. He's not the perfect quarterback by any means,
17:35
Speaker 1: but you're like, holy moly. The guy was a backup
17:38
Speaker 1: quarterback last year. He got benched. I mean, this is
17:41
Speaker 1: like things. And then immediately he leaves. It's just like
17:43
Speaker 1: times have changed.
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Speaker 2: John, you can't with the NIL now and you're paying
17:48
Speaker 2: your top end players. You can't have a five-star quarterback
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Speaker 2: on the bench like USC used to have for a
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Speaker 2: year or two. You can't have that anymore. Miller Moss
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Speaker 2: is a four-star guy. He's like, get me out of here.
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Speaker 2: Now he's in the NFL. Nobody's going to sit and
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18:08
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18:12
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18:14
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18:17
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18:22
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18:24
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18:28
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18:31
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18:36
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18:41
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18:44
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18:49
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18:52
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18:55
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18:58
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Speaker 2: The Jacksonville Jaguars are going all in. They just gave
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Speaker 2: up a 2027 first round pick and a 2029 second
21:02
Speaker 2: round pick to the Eagles to land Jordan Davis. Wow.
21:07
Speaker 2: Jordan Davis is going from the Eagles to the Jacksonville Jaguars.
21:14
Speaker 2: Now they just picked up Jesse Bates from Atlanta and
21:18
Speaker 2: the Saints interior lineman. So let's look up this right here.
21:22
Speaker 2: So this just happened. So Jordan Davis, Philadelphia Eagles, is
21:28
Speaker 2: officially now a member of the Jaguars. I got to
21:32
Speaker 2: tell you, Jacksonville, this Liam Cohen, super aggressive. The offense
21:40
Speaker 2: is humming. You know what I like about them? And
21:43
Speaker 2: this is something. He could have easily been selfish and said,
21:46
Speaker 2: give me Travis Hunter. We're bringing him to the offensive side.
21:49
Speaker 2: He'll say, nope, no, I'm going to go get him.
21:52
Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers, Parker Washington. I'll use Travis infrequently, but let's
21:59
Speaker 2: put him on defense. John, you know this. There are
22:01
Speaker 2: GMs and coaches in this league and coordinators who are selfish.
22:05
Speaker 2: They're trying to pad their resumes. He's a special teams
22:07
Speaker 2: coach who always wants a block kick on his resume.
22:10
Speaker 2: And Liam Cohen's like, I could take Travis Hunter. Brian
22:15
Speaker 2: Thomas had been struggling. He's like, no, no, no. Send
22:17
Speaker 2: him over to the defensive side. I'll tell you, the
22:20
Speaker 2: two best teams I've seen at their best in this league,
22:23
Speaker 2: there's three teams, Niners, Bears, Jags. At their best, those
22:29
Speaker 2: feel like the best teams I've seen. And what do
22:32
Speaker 2: they all have in common? Ben Johnson and Kyle are anointed, right?
22:35
Speaker 2: Kyle's kind of the younger guys, the grandfather. Ben is
22:38
Speaker 2: the new Kyle.
22:41
Speaker 1: And Liam, I would say up until the last month
22:45
Speaker 1: just flies under the radar because of the team he's coaching.
22:48
Speaker 1: But you watch him on Thursday night, that guy, what he,
22:50
Speaker 1: he had Trevor Lawrence. Like, I don't know where on
22:53
Speaker 1: a given week, you know, it's a fluid league. That's
22:56
Speaker 1: an elite quarterback. The way he had him looking against
22:59
Speaker 1: the Ravens, Jesse mentor. I mean, he's been one of
23:02
Speaker 1: the best defensive minds in football at Michigan to the chargers.
23:06
Speaker 1: They have a lot of highly paid guys on defense
23:08
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence looked like Joe Montana meets Aaron Rogers
23:10
Speaker 1: against them. And Parker Washington, what he's done under Liam
23:14
Speaker 1: and with Trevor, he's turned in. I mean, they wear
23:16
Speaker 1: the same kind of looks like JSN to me, like
23:18
Speaker 1: that version of like, he's an unstoppable. He's not the
23:21
Speaker 1: biggest guy gets open. Every play makes tough catches, makes
23:24
Speaker 1: guys miss in the one. This is the Gladstone coming
23:28
Speaker 1: from the Rams, the F them picks, uh, And I've
23:31
Speaker 1: been beating this drum how he is, how he's a
23:34
Speaker 1: little got a little Gordon Gekko Wall Street on him.
23:37
Speaker 1: He is not emotional with this stuff. He will draft
23:40
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis high pay Jordan Davis. Jeffrey Lurie gives him
23:44
Speaker 1: a lot of rain to do things. They will pivot
23:46
Speaker 1: at the moment's notice on these guys. He has been
23:49
Speaker 1: playing well. It's a little risky for the he hasn't
23:51
Speaker 1: been playing well.
23:54
Speaker 2: Eagles' next three drafts. Howie Roseman has accumulated five first-round
23:59
Speaker 2: picks and five second-round picks in the next three drafts.
24:02
Speaker 2: So it is total rebuild for the Philadelphia Eagles. My
24:06
Speaker 2: guess is Sirianni is not long, and I'm not sure
24:09
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is. So let's be honest about this. When
24:12
Speaker 2: I bring Greg Cosell on every week, he plays no favorites.
24:16
Speaker 2: We know Tua. We know Kyler Murray. We know Russell Wilson.
24:20
Speaker 2: We know shorter quarterback struggle. Between the hash, right? Like
24:26
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field. Jalen Hurts, Greg Cosell
24:29
Speaker 2: will tell you, clearly doesn't see. Throws it very well
24:33
Speaker 2: out the sideline. No questions about that. But I think
24:37
Speaker 2: if you want, you know, increasingly, if you really want
24:41
Speaker 2: to get the ideal quarterback, I think we've gotten out
24:44
Speaker 2: of the short quarterback era. I think by and large,
24:47
Speaker 2: they get dinged up more. They have to create passing lanes.
24:52
Speaker 2: And also, a lot of those smaller quarterbacks, John, they
24:55
Speaker 2: don't like running. After about the third year dinged out,
24:58
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, I'm out. Kyler Murray should run.
25:00
Speaker 1: He won't run.
25:01
Speaker 2: Jalen doesn't want to run anymore.
25:03
Speaker 1: So, I don't know.
25:05
Speaker 2: I think what their base, do you think they get
25:06
Speaker 2: rid of Nick Ceriani?
25:08
Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't think they're going to win
25:10
Speaker 1: another game. I mean, they are horrendous on offense. They can't.
25:14
Speaker 1: I saw a stat yesterday. If you remove some of
25:16
Speaker 1: Milton's runs, they were averaging like two and a half
25:18
Speaker 1: yards of play. So as bad as they were under Hurts,
25:21
Speaker 1: they're now like dramatically worse. Their baseline was low. Now
25:27
Speaker 1: they're lower. And they're only going to get rid of guys,
25:29
Speaker 1: have more injuries. I think Sirianni's done. And listen, Howie's
25:35
Speaker 1: the last couple hires. Doug, when he came back into
25:38
Speaker 1: power after Chip, and then Sirianni, when was that, 19
25:42
Speaker 1: or 20, maybe 21. I do think this is a
25:45
Speaker 1: different version of the Eagles that, If you're Tomlin or
25:48
Speaker 1: you're any of the big boys that have serious interest,
25:51
Speaker 1: he is loaded with draft picks and he's proven to
25:55
Speaker 1: be as dynamic as anyone in the league. And the
25:57
Speaker 1: owner is willing to spend cash where we see like, listen,
26:01
Speaker 1: the Chargers are a horrendous football team. There's one team
26:05
Speaker 1: in the league spending less cash on their football team.
26:08
Speaker 1: Not salary cash. I'm talking actual cash on players than them.
26:11
Speaker 1: So the Bengals have bought this forever. That is not
26:14
Speaker 1: an issue with Jeffrey Lurie. If things are going well,
26:16
Speaker 1: he will back you with coaches, strength people. He will
26:19
Speaker 1: open the checkbook. And their general manager and the pick power,
26:22
Speaker 1: the capital, the fluidity to make moves. The other thing
26:27
Speaker 1: with the NFL is you can transition fast. You could go–
26:31
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that you've got to trade Jonathan Taylor. It's like, yeah,
26:34
Speaker 1: in theory, yeah, but you're not just going to give
26:36
Speaker 1: him away because next year, if you want to have
26:38
Speaker 1: any juice as an organization, that new coach is going
26:41
Speaker 1: to need something. You don't have picks. You have to
26:43
Speaker 1: hang your hat on something. And I think the Eagles
26:46
Speaker 1: have a lot to offer. So to me, if Sirianni–
26:50
Speaker 1: how many coaches survive? Let's just say they win one
26:52
Speaker 1: more game, and there's a chance they– They have a
26:54
Speaker 1: seven-game losing streak. They're 2-7. They could end up 3-14, Colin.
27:00
Speaker 1: How many coaches survived that when there was already negativity
27:03
Speaker 1: coming into the season? It's rare.
27:05
Speaker 2: When you get these rare Rams have two first-round picks,
27:09
Speaker 2: it makes sense to just take a quarterback with one
27:12
Speaker 2: of those picks. They didn't need Ty Simpson, but their
27:14
Speaker 2: take was, we're not going to have two first-round picks again.
27:17
Speaker 2: I mean, Howie Roseman– strapped a quarterback with one of
27:22
Speaker 2: these picks because he's never going to be up that
27:23
Speaker 2: high again.
27:24
Speaker 1: No. Next year for them, because they'll trade, I'm sure,
27:28
Speaker 1: people in the offseason, they are going to be ruthless.
27:31
Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to be, it might not
27:33
Speaker 1: all happen at the trade deadline, but the offseason, everything
27:36
Speaker 1: will be on the table. I could see them having
27:38
Speaker 1: a little transitional year because they've paid a lot of
27:41
Speaker 1: these guys. So it accelerates your cap. Where it feels
27:44
Speaker 1: like the Broncos that first year with Sean Payton, it's
27:47
Speaker 1: a little bit weird. And then that following year in 28,
27:50
Speaker 1: that's where he's got the Patriot pick. He's got a
27:53
Speaker 1: lot of ammo. So you could convince me that they
27:57
Speaker 1: roll next year with Hurts because his value is at
27:59
Speaker 1: an all-time low. Makes a lot of money. The blood
28:02
Speaker 1: clot stuff, he hadn't been playing well to begin with.
28:05
Speaker 1: You just write it out to keep that contract from moving,
28:08
Speaker 1: you know, to hitting your cap. And he has no value.
28:12
Speaker 1: And then you figure out the quarterback thing in 27,
28:14
Speaker 1: this quarterback draft. I mean, Mensah definitely made some plays
28:18
Speaker 1: in the second half. Carr's OK. I mean, to me, Carr, historically,
28:21
Speaker 1: that guy looks like a second or third round pick.
28:24
Speaker 1: Now there's quarterback inflation. The Mettenberger kid, Mestermaker at Oklahoma State.
28:31
Speaker 1: I mean, he looks incredible. But a lot of people
28:33
Speaker 1: think that he's going to stay and be like a
28:35
Speaker 1: $ 10 million quarterback at college. You know, this is the
28:38
Speaker 1: second year starting in his life. He didn't start in
28:39
Speaker 1: high school. So I get a lot of people push
28:42
Speaker 1: back in the NFL that because we you know, I'm
28:44
Speaker 1: guilty of this. You're guilty with the hype machine. We
28:46
Speaker 1: get excited. They're like, we're going to our organization is
28:50
Speaker 1: going to tie all of our mortgages and our careers
28:52
Speaker 1: to a guy who's been starting for two years in
28:54
Speaker 1: small school and then the Big 12. it's pretty risky. No,
28:57
Speaker 1: no matter how good he looks, there's more to football
28:59
Speaker 1: than just making some throws against West Virginia at nine
29:02
Speaker 1: o'clock at night.
29:03
Speaker 2: You know?
29:04
Speaker 1: So I, I, I think the league is, you know,
29:07
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation is very up in the air, but
29:10
Speaker 1: I could see how he just, you know, Colin Simmons
29:12
Speaker 1: or the Stewart pass rusher from South Carolina, the corner,
29:15
Speaker 1: like he'll just get sweet players.
29:18
Speaker 2: In my lifetime, and I thought about this when I was–
29:21
Speaker 2: I'd gone back and written all this stuff down. In
29:24
Speaker 2: my life, I always feel there's like eight, just show
29:29
Speaker 2: me where I have to sign the check. Then everybody else,
29:32
Speaker 2: I'm price sensitive. So I think Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Jordan Love,
29:39
Speaker 2: Drake May. Caleb Williams, CJ Stroud to me is in
29:45
Speaker 2: that At this point, Jared Goff is in that for me.
29:49
Speaker 2: I'm just going to pay him. Those eight guys, I
29:53
Speaker 2: am not going to be terribly price sensitive. Matt Stafford,
29:57
Speaker 2: I've got to be somewhat price sensitive because he just
29:59
Speaker 2: doesn't give me a lot of years.
30:01
Speaker 1: I'm not building for the future.
30:04
Speaker 2: So I look at the quarterback play. Now, I think
30:06
Speaker 2: the second tier of guys, you know, Sam Darnold's in
30:10
Speaker 2: that class. Baker Mayfield's in that class. Sam just proved
30:13
Speaker 2: you can win a Super Bowl. And I think Sam,
30:15
Speaker 2: when he's healthy and has a run game, I think
30:17
Speaker 2: he's closer to the top group than the second tier.
30:20
Speaker 2: But I think Malik Willis is actually a kid that
30:22
Speaker 2: I really like, but nobody's watching him and they're going
30:25
Speaker 2: to end up with two wins because the team's atrocious.
30:28
Speaker 2: But when I look at, if you look at the
30:31
Speaker 2: history of quarterback in this sport, You get one big-time
30:35
Speaker 2: guy a draft. That is it. I mean, even the
30:39
Speaker 2: Herbert thing now, I don't know what the hell to
30:41
Speaker 2: do with him. I think he needs to be traded.
30:44
Speaker 2: You know, there's a question out there. Here's a question
30:45
Speaker 2: I ask you about the Chargers. So, Jim Harbaugh is
30:49
Speaker 2: not a skiing guy. He's not a play designer, play follow.
30:52
Speaker 2: That's not what Jim does. He's a culture adult. So,
30:56
Speaker 2: when you ask, why don't they fire Mike McDaniel? Isn't
30:59
Speaker 2: it this simple? Well, then, who's calling plays? McVay can,
31:05
Speaker 2: Shanahan can, Reid can, Sean Payton can. That's not what
31:09
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh does. So the downside of the culture, guys,
31:13
Speaker 2: is you have to have a great coordinator. Rabel does.
31:17
Speaker 2: You know, D'Amico Ryans offensively doesn't necessarily have it. So
31:21
Speaker 2: when people are asking, this is the worst, I would
31:24
Speaker 2: never trade Justin Herbert. Khalil Mack, Derwin James, I'd do
31:28
Speaker 2: it tomorrow. Do you think, I mean, there are people
31:32
Speaker 2: that are suggesting you have to clean house with the Chargers.
31:35
Speaker 2: I would keep Harbaugh and Herbert, but I would sell
31:40
Speaker 2: stuff in the next 18 hours.
31:42
Speaker 1: I've always been a big Jim Harbaugh supporter. Yesterday was
31:46
Speaker 1: the first time. Remember when Telesco and Staley got fired
31:50
Speaker 1: after that Thursday night game against the Raiders where they
31:52
Speaker 1: lost like 70 to 10? It was really ugly. Brandon
31:56
Speaker 1: Staley was taking a lot of heat and it felt
31:58
Speaker 1: like the guys had quit on him. Watching the Chargers yesterday,
32:02
Speaker 1: they were not playing the undefeated Bills or the Chiefs.
32:05
Speaker 1: I mean, they were playing the Texans, who were 2-5.
32:08
Speaker 1: And I get they were a unique 2-5 team, but
32:10
Speaker 1: they treated them like they were the best team in
32:12
Speaker 1: the league. And there were a couple plays as the
32:14
Speaker 1: game went on, you're like, are they doing some quitting?
32:18
Speaker 1: And this is the scary thing, because clearly the scheme, Herbert,
32:21
Speaker 1: the injuries, it's a disaster. It doesn't work. Part of
32:24
Speaker 1: Harbaugh was there was a toughness, there was an edge,
32:27
Speaker 1: there was a fight. There is no fight. And once
32:31
Speaker 1: the message goes– because wasn't that the thing where people
32:34
Speaker 1: bought in why college is he's better suited for because
32:37
Speaker 1: you rotate the players in and out in an NFL, right?
32:40
Speaker 1: You could have a guy for eight, nine years, second
32:42
Speaker 1: contract guy. They– and I don't say this lightly because– basketball,
32:47
Speaker 1: you can go through the motions. I mean, half the
32:49
Speaker 1: guys admit I play stone. Baseball, no one notices if
32:52
Speaker 1: you're not trying. You cannot football half-ass. You will get hurt.
32:55
Speaker 1: You'll get exposed. It's pretty obvious. Yeah, hockey. I mean,
32:58
Speaker 1: those two sports, because they're collision sports. And it looked
33:01
Speaker 1: like these guys are not trying. And the Texans kind
33:04
Speaker 1: of realized it, and they were just running up the score.
33:07
Speaker 1: Because the Texans, they got a big game this week
33:09
Speaker 1: against the Browns. They got a lot to play for.
33:10
Speaker 1: They could just be the seventh seed. And I went, whoa,
33:13
Speaker 1: this is early November. This is a tough deal for the,
33:17
Speaker 1: you know, the Spaniards aren't just, they've never had a,
33:20
Speaker 1: they've never had a coach come close to making this
33:23
Speaker 1: much money and a staff making this much money. He's
33:26
Speaker 1: going to fire Harbaugh to go away. But I disagreed
33:30
Speaker 1: when the 49ers fired him. But it was, and Jim's
33:33
Speaker 1: a different guy now than he was then. It was difficult.
33:37
Speaker 1: But they just said, this is not a sustainable thing.
33:39
Speaker 1: This is not going to work. And for whatever's going
33:42
Speaker 1: on right now, it is not, it's a disaster. I mean,
33:46
Speaker 1: a disaster. I couldn't, There were blowouts yesterday, right? Jordan Love,
33:51
Speaker 1: I think, admitted, that's the best I've ever played. The
33:53
Speaker 1: 49ers off a bye against the Raiders coming from the Jets,
33:56
Speaker 1: that was a lock. The Cardinals, Gardner Minchu was going
33:59
Speaker 1: to go into Seattle, no chance. But that was like,
34:02
Speaker 1: I could see the Chargers, weren't they? I mean, it's like,
34:04
Speaker 1: they're going to have a little fight here. That thing
34:07
Speaker 1: was over fast. And then as the game, he keeps
34:09
Speaker 1: getting destroyed. I mean, the quarterback's getting destroyed. He's playing
34:12
Speaker 1: like shit. And then their defense started quitting. I was like,
34:16
Speaker 1: If this was Brandon Staley and not Jim Harbaugh, or
34:20
Speaker 1: you insert Anthony Lynn, just random coach that we all
34:23
Speaker 1: make fun of, they're 100% getting fired. Not necessarily on
34:27
Speaker 1: Monday after that game, but based on a season like this,
34:30
Speaker 1: the way it's going.
34:31
Speaker 2: John, we're only in week 10.
34:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm watching this going, who are they going to
34:37
Speaker 1: be favored against? Because, okay, the worst team in their division,
34:41
Speaker 1: the Raiders, the Raiders are next time they're really going
34:43
Speaker 1: to try against the Chargers, right? And obviously, the Denver
34:47
Speaker 1: and Kansas City are just dramatically better. You have to
34:52
Speaker 1: look at the Ravens this week. I guess that's a
34:54
Speaker 1: winnable game, but the Chargers are going to go on
34:56
Speaker 1: the road to Baltimore and win a game?
34:58
Speaker 2: Like, no, no.
34:59
Speaker 1: No chance. They are terrible. I get why the Eagles
35:04
Speaker 1: are bad. Bunch of injuries. The scheme thing doesn't work.
35:08
Speaker 1: The Charger thing, they got by with a lot of guts, guile,
35:12
Speaker 1: and scheme last year. They were not healthy last year either,
35:15
Speaker 1: and they won 11 games.
35:18
Speaker 2: It's the most inexplicable winless team through nine weeks in
35:23
Speaker 2: my memory. They were picked to win their division. by
35:29
Speaker 2: a lot of people, and they don't have a win.
35:32
Speaker 2: You generally have a vibe. Even though Cleveland's been better
35:36
Speaker 2: than people thought, you and I both think Andrew Perry's
35:39
Speaker 2: nailed like four drafts in a row. You're like, they're
35:41
Speaker 2: not going to go two games. They're in too many players.
35:44
Speaker 2: It's like Kubiak to the Rangers. You're like, oh, they'll
35:46
Speaker 2: be viable. We've never had a team we thought would
35:49
Speaker 2: win their division 0-9. So, It sounds crazy, but when
35:54
Speaker 2: you're not, you know, it's so obvious. Hire an offensive
35:58
Speaker 2: coach who can play design and call plays. That's bulletproof.
36:04
Speaker 2: You can hire Mike McDonald. He loses Kubiak. Uh-oh. You
36:08
Speaker 2: can hire a Harbaugh. Offensive coordinator doesn't work. Uh-oh. I mean, Philadelphia,
36:13
Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni doesn't design plays, doesn't call them. Not well.
36:17
Speaker 2: So it's like you're screwed if the coordinator's bad hire.
36:19
Speaker 2: There's one thing that works. Smart, young offensive coach designs it,
36:25
Speaker 2: calls it. That you are coordinator exit professionals. other than
36:30
Speaker 2: that everybody's close to being the chargers if you lose
36:33
Speaker 2: the right guy and i mean i love grable if
36:36
Speaker 2: josh mcdaniel quit tomorrow and you and you missed on
36:38
Speaker 2: your coordinator drake mays winning eight games that's the reality
36:42
Speaker 2: yeah i mean if.
36:42
Speaker 1: Josh mcdaniel's quit tomorrow he would his he loves todd
36:45
Speaker 1: downing he would put todd downing and i've seen todd
36:47
Speaker 1: downing struggle so i mean a lot of these guys
36:51
Speaker 1: it's just it becomes the nfl you know college part
36:54
Speaker 1: of the advantage if you got a big-time college job
36:56
Speaker 1: and this is why i think patricia probably likes ohio
36:58
Speaker 1: state's like I get first-rounders every single year. I get
37:01
Speaker 1: elite talent on defense. It's much easier. The margin, like
37:05
Speaker 1: I'm watching the Lions play the Dolphins yesterday.
37:07
Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus.
37:07
Speaker 1: It's a dogfight. One team's probably going to make the playoffs,
37:11
Speaker 1: and the other team could be drafting one overall. And
37:14
Speaker 1: that's the power of the NFL. That's why the coaching,
37:17
Speaker 1: the details in coaching matter so much. I'm watching Georgia
37:21
Speaker 1: Ole Miss. There's no details in that game. We're just
37:23
Speaker 1: way better than you. We're going to kick your ass
37:25
Speaker 1: all night long. And for the most part, Kirby has
37:27
Speaker 1: a couple games where the scheme is really going to impact.
37:30
Speaker 1: In the NFL, every single week matters. Every single half matters.
37:35
Speaker 1: You know, you watch that. Look at Ben Johnson last night.
37:37
Speaker 1: For the first time in a while since that week
37:41
Speaker 1: two game, but it was in a monsoon, just good
37:43
Speaker 1: weather game. You're just playing us versus you. Todd Bowles goes,
37:47
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for like 30 years. And before
37:49
Speaker 1: I became a head coach, if I was his defensive coordinator,
37:52
Speaker 1: you would consider me the best defensive coordinator. I am
37:55
Speaker 1: a lead at my job and I got good players. So, Caleb,
37:58
Speaker 1: buckle up because we're coming every single play like Flores
38:02
Speaker 1: and our guys like Minnesota can run. And they're probably
38:06
Speaker 1: the only team where their DBs catch the ball better
38:08
Speaker 1: than their wide receivers. Their DBs hands. I would say this,
38:12
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay's, the DB hands, the plays they are making,
38:15
Speaker 1: their wide receivers could not.
38:17
Speaker 2: How about the diving interception by the one guy? It
38:20
Speaker 2: was one of the passes of the night.
38:22
Speaker 1: Even the guy, this toe tapping the sideline. I mean,
38:25
Speaker 1: I watched wide receivers screw that up on Saturday and
38:27
Speaker 1: Sunday all week long. And it's just, it's very difficult. And,
38:31
Speaker 1: you know, it just becomes the chess match of sometimes
38:34
Speaker 1: you just lose. You've been on this for about the interceptions.
38:37
Speaker 1: I'm not phased. You know, we give, when a guy
38:40
Speaker 1: tries to throw the ball away, If you are getting
38:43
Speaker 1: pressured by multiple defensive backs, safety blitzes or linebacker blitzes,
38:48
Speaker 1: these guys have like 2% body fat and they all
38:50
Speaker 1: run four fours. And if you are stagnant, they will
38:54
Speaker 1: break your rib. And we were like, oh, that's a
38:56
Speaker 1: terrible pass. Like, I will defend Caleb on the two throwaways,
39:01
Speaker 1: even despite how strong his arm is. That is a positive. Like,
39:06
Speaker 1: the defense creates that. It's all like, oh, the quarterback
39:08
Speaker 1: screwed up. No, Todd Bowles, have you been watching Tampa play?
39:11
Speaker 1: Their offense, besides the running game, stinks. And the defense,
39:15
Speaker 1: if you gave the Bills that defense, they would never
39:18
Speaker 1: lose a game. They would win every game 30-7. They
39:22
Speaker 1: would run the table. And I think sometimes we overreact
39:26
Speaker 1: to interceptions or poor play. Like, poor play. This is
39:31
Speaker 1: the NFL. You are going to have bad... For every
39:34
Speaker 1: great Jordan Love game, we've seen Jordan Love have awful games. It's...
39:37
Speaker 1: It's you're, you're not going to have 17 straight weeks.
39:41
Speaker 1: And that's the power of football is we overreact. We
39:43
Speaker 1: don't even know. We just react to the game, but
39:45
Speaker 1: there's only one a week. It's not baseballs. Well, you've
39:48
Speaker 1: got a over 12, the last three games. And the
39:50
Speaker 1: next game you hit two home runs. And you forget
39:51
Speaker 1: you get that time between the games. Guys play bad.
39:55
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, you play other good opponents. They
39:59
Speaker 1: live in country clubs and drive Range Rovers, too. You know,
40:02
Speaker 1: I mean, they make you know, they they their kids
40:06
Speaker 1: go to private school like those guys. Google how much
40:09
Speaker 1: those some of those guys on Tampa are making.
40:12
Speaker 2: Well, Brian Flores, Todd Bowles, Dan Quinn. I don't know
40:16
Speaker 2: if they're great head coaches. They are unbelievable defensive coordinator.
40:21
Speaker 2: There is no disputing. Flores, Dan Quinn. Last time Dallas
40:25
Speaker 2: had a redeemable defense, it was the Dan Quinn on defense,
40:30
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy head coach, Kellen Moore coordinator. Oh, that team
40:33
Speaker 2: was a playoff team. That was a really, really good staff.
40:37
Speaker 2: Dallas went cheap. McCarthy said bye. Quinn got a job.
40:41
Speaker 2: Now they stink.
40:42
Speaker 1: You know what I appreciate about Ben Johnson? And, you know,
40:44
Speaker 1: analytics has become a big talking point in football where
40:47
Speaker 1: guys just go for it all the time. Last night,
40:49
Speaker 1: he realized I'm playing. It should be situationally on the game.
40:53
Speaker 1: Last night, I'm playing Baker Mayfield, who just looks like
40:56
Speaker 1: he's getting the crap kicked out of him. And their offense,
40:59
Speaker 1: their passing game is non-existent since Mike Evans left. It's
41:02
Speaker 1: very difficult for them to move the ball if the
41:04
Speaker 1: running back's not making great plays. And he's an awesome player.
41:07
Speaker 1: Where Ben Johnson against most opponents would, I feel, be
41:10
Speaker 1: aggressive on fourth down. He's like, last night we're going
41:12
Speaker 1: to punt a lot because we're playing a conservative coach
41:15
Speaker 1: and their offense isn't good. Instead of just, this is
41:18
Speaker 1: what we do no matter what. I've always hated that
41:20
Speaker 1: mentality with some coaches. And last night, Ben's like, tonight
41:24
Speaker 1: I'm going to be kind of conservative. I'm going to
41:25
Speaker 1: act more like a Harbaugh brother or a Tomlin. And
41:28
Speaker 1: I'm just my quarterback's kind of struggling. This is a
41:31
Speaker 1: physical game. More than likely, this thing's got 1915 written
41:35
Speaker 1: all over it.
41:36
Speaker 2: Right.
41:36
Speaker 1: This isn't Niners and us last year on Monday Night Football.
41:39
Speaker 1: It's 45 to 40.
41:43
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41:46
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41:52
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41:55
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42:01
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42:05
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42:08
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42:12
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42:14
Speaker 2: three quarters, love the roster. Seahawks, Sam Darnold's hurt now,
42:19
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42:22
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42:25
Speaker 2: not like the secondary. Hard to win a Super Bowl
42:29
Speaker 2: when you're leaking on the back end. And the Patriots,
42:32
Speaker 2: not enough weapons. A.J. Brown crossed your fingers. Still really young.
42:37
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42:41
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42:45
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42:50
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42:53
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42:59
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:14
Speaker 2: You know, like, that's a great point by you. Watching
45:17
Speaker 2: that last night, it's also, it's our third straight primetime game.
45:21
Speaker 2: The first half's been a little squirrely. Vitavia, Todd Bowles,
45:27
Speaker 2: we're going to be conservative tonight. That's a great call
45:30
Speaker 2: by you because I always say this, I call them
45:32
Speaker 2: analytics over analytics. Peyton Manning always says, fourth and two,
45:37
Speaker 2: they're not all the same. If you're just grinding out yards,
45:42
Speaker 2: six-yard gains feel big, that's one thing. He goes, I've
45:47
Speaker 2: had situations where I'm at the six-yard line, I'm like,
45:50
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, kick the field goal. This is not a
45:54
Speaker 2: fourth and six. It's congested. They have Pro Bowl corners.
45:57
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to– and it's funny how
46:00
Speaker 2: it works. Like, people forget this about Tampa. Vitavia is–
46:04
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just one of those guys. You get 100%
46:07
Speaker 2: effort on every play. There are a handful of these guys.
46:11
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, like Jeffrey Simmons. Look what the Bears have
46:14
Speaker 2: done now. The last two games, lowest blitz rate. And
46:19
Speaker 2: yet between Darnold and Baker, 23 pressures, seven sacks. Baker
46:26
Speaker 2: on a 54 passer rating without blitzing. So it's like
46:30
Speaker 2: when you get into the Jeffrey Simmons now, okay, fourth
46:33
Speaker 2: down is different against the Bears. You're not getting fourth
46:36
Speaker 2: and two with Simmons. You have to double him. They
46:38
Speaker 2: don't have to bring pressure anymore. I'll tell you, quarterbacks
46:41
Speaker 2: are the most important people in this league. The argument,
46:43
Speaker 2: the second most important is a dominating defensive tackle. Dave,
46:48
Speaker 2: the Bears have stopped blitzing in the last two weeks,
46:51
Speaker 2: and yet 23 pressures and seven sacks. And Darnold's passer
46:57
Speaker 2: rating stunk and Baker stunk. Like, guys, I'm telling you,
47:00
Speaker 2: this Chicago team, it is a lot like Seattle last year.
47:04
Speaker 2: Pressure without blitzing. Excellent special teams can control the game
47:09
Speaker 2: with a run and have a quarterback who's aggressive and
47:11
Speaker 2: throws downfield the stars.
47:13
Speaker 1: Well, when you say typically in a game with I mean,
47:15
Speaker 1: it felt like there were 15 turnovers last night. You
47:17
Speaker 1: would say that's an awful game. It didn't feel like
47:20
Speaker 1: a terrible game because of the physicality by both defenses.
47:24
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. You know, Tampa is one of
47:25
Speaker 1: the hardest hitting defense in the league. I mean, that
47:27
Speaker 1: play where Luther Burden got hit, that is that felt
47:30
Speaker 1: like a play from 1996. Like, geez, Luis. But the Bears,
47:35
Speaker 1: because their defensive line is so good now in Collinsworth,
47:38
Speaker 1: did a good job last night. It's like. Well, Bush
47:40
Speaker 1: knows he can take some lanes because all these guys
47:42
Speaker 1: are following Jeffrey Simmons. He was flying around like he
47:46
Speaker 1: was Ray Lewis. My God, the Bears physicality in two
47:50
Speaker 1: weeks has quadrupled like they were. It was like, oh,
47:54
Speaker 1: this team can't win the Super Bowl. Their defense isn't
47:56
Speaker 1: good enough and they're just not a physical enough team.
47:58
Speaker 1: And then I don't know if it's just, you know,
48:00
Speaker 1: they say a rising tide lifts all boats. You bring
48:02
Speaker 1: that guy in. Everyone follows his lead. He's calling out
48:05
Speaker 1: sweat right when he gets there. It's like, oh, yeah,
48:07
Speaker 1: they know each other because they went to college together. And,
48:09
Speaker 1: you know, this guy, he has all these pelts on
48:11
Speaker 1: the wall of being a great player.
48:12
Speaker 2: Well, they're getting two DVs back here in the next– remember,
48:14
Speaker 2: they're getting their safety they got from Seattle back in December,
48:17
Speaker 2: and they're getting– doesn't Malik Muhammad come back here.
48:19
Speaker 1: In a couple weeks? Yeah, I mean, they should– they're
48:23
Speaker 1: a problem. Honestly, Tampa, if their offense– if they just
48:26
Speaker 1: had some semblance of a passing game, would be a
48:29
Speaker 1: really solid team. But they're– I have a lot of
48:33
Speaker 1: respect for, but he is getting killed, Colin. And Todd
48:35
Speaker 1: is a good example talking about being conservative. It's like, Todd,
48:38
Speaker 1: your offense isn't working. You're at the 12-yard line.
48:42
Speaker 2: It's fourth and four.
48:43
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to make it down here too often.
48:46
Speaker 1: This is second half. You might need to be a
48:48
Speaker 1: little aggressive, but he's a good example. He only knows
48:51
Speaker 1: one way to be, and that's always be conservative. And
48:53
Speaker 1: if his defense causes a million turnovers, he'll be right
48:56
Speaker 1: in it. But if it doesn't, like, Todd, you're never
48:58
Speaker 1: going to cross the 50-yard line here.
49:01
Speaker 2: Finally, Puka Nakua going on the IR for the Rams.
49:04
Speaker 2: Their next four games at Arizona. Jordan Love and the Packers.
49:09
Speaker 2: Mahomes and the Chiefs at the 49ers. So, that's a
49:14
Speaker 2: tough slip. If you're watching the Rams, my takeaway is, man,
49:20
Speaker 2: did they miss the Bob Day Adams. I mean, Puka
49:22
Speaker 2: had 14 catches yesterday, and they still– Washington's driving to
49:27
Speaker 2: the tie. So Puka's gone. It'll be heavy 12 and
49:31
Speaker 2: 13 personnel. Puka is out. Boy, I'll tell you, from
49:36
Speaker 2: the injuries to the off-field drama, and that's just the
49:40
Speaker 2: stuff we know about, I don't think they're signing Pupin Akua.
49:44
Speaker 2: I really don't.
49:45
Speaker 1: Yesterday, I mean, did you see the injuries? The last
49:48
Speaker 1: play of the game, their offensive play, a little freak.
49:51
Speaker 1: He is by far their best player, and he is
49:53
Speaker 1: an incredible– I mean, Colin, Stafford threw it 43 times.
49:56
Speaker 1: He had 19 targets. So like you said, without Devontae,
49:59
Speaker 1: they basically throw to him every other play, and they
50:01
Speaker 1: have to, and he's unstoppable when you do throw to him.
50:04
Speaker 1: He's much closer to, you know, JSN, all the top guys.
50:08
Speaker 2: Yes, no question.
50:09
Speaker 1: He plays differently because they ask him to block and
50:11
Speaker 1: do all this stuff, but he isn't a dominant, dominant player.
50:13
Speaker 1: A lot of crap going on off the field. I would,
50:18
Speaker 1: you know, his game, the one thing, like you watch
50:21
Speaker 1: Parker Washington or obviously JSN, you know, Higgins, some of
50:25
Speaker 1: these guys that route run, his game is more like
50:27
Speaker 1: a running back. You know, it's got the element of
50:30
Speaker 1: Debo five years ago. It's like, is this thing going
50:32
Speaker 1: to age well? It's hard because you take so many
50:35
Speaker 1: hits and even, you know, the last play of the game,
50:39
Speaker 1: what do they do? They give them an end around. Like,
50:40
Speaker 1: are you giving T Higgins an end around? Are you giving,
50:44
Speaker 1: you know, no. So I, I, that's, that's a devastating loss. This,
50:48
Speaker 1: they have a feel kind of like the Niners over
50:50
Speaker 1: the last couple of the injuries right now, Kyle, it's
50:52
Speaker 1: hard to overcome it. And I was going to say, Hey,
50:56
Speaker 1: them in Denver, I said this yesterday on the pod,
50:59
Speaker 1: you go West to East and, and you have that
51:01
Speaker 1: early kickoff, there are no style points in that game.
51:04
Speaker 1: I don't care. Turnover margin, yards, you win the game
51:07
Speaker 1: and you get out of there. So the Denver game
51:10
Speaker 1: looked a little weird. They did their classic comeback, you know,
51:13
Speaker 1: second half, you get out of there. Same thing in Washington.
51:18
Speaker 1: You win 20-13, who cares? But to lose Puka, and honestly,
51:21
Speaker 1: they should have been excited to get Miles back. He
51:23
Speaker 1: has three sacks and looked incredible. You'd be like, okay,
51:26
Speaker 1: this team is rolling now. I just don't think you over–
51:30
Speaker 1: you can go 13 personnel and I put 15 guys
51:33
Speaker 1: in the box. Like, who are you going to throw
51:34
Speaker 1: it to? Tutu Atwell? And the other elephant in the
51:37
Speaker 1: room is– and I give the Rams credit. It's like, hey, Matt,
51:41
Speaker 1: we're going year to year with you. We'll pay you
51:44
Speaker 1: a lot, but one, it's football. You've taken a beating
51:49
Speaker 1: over the years. If we give you three years, $ 150 million,
51:52
Speaker 1: that could burn us. The way you're playing the Favre
51:55
Speaker 1: retirement game, which is your prerogative, but them going year
51:59
Speaker 1: to year, he's looked a little old this year.
52:01
Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy to suggest Ty Simpson is
52:06
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback next year. I feel strongly that that's
52:09
Speaker 2: a possibility.
52:10
Speaker 1: Is Sean McVay coaching him?
52:13
Speaker 2: Yes. I've spent some time with somebody who was a
52:17
Speaker 2: college quarterback who spent a lot of time in the
52:19
Speaker 2: last three to four years, five years, in camps with
52:24
Speaker 2: all these quarterbacks. And this person has told me Ty
52:27
Speaker 2: Simpson was as good as any of them. So Ty
52:31
Speaker 2: Simpson can play Rams like him. This is a college quarterback.
52:35
Speaker 1: I know.
52:36
Speaker 2: And I know his family. And I, you know, I
52:38
Speaker 2: asked him and I mean, all these guys, Dante Moore,
52:40
Speaker 2: all these guys last five, six years of camps and college.
52:43
Speaker 2: He's like, Hyacinth's really, really good.
52:46
Speaker 1: Well, I would say when I asked you, Sean McVay,
52:48
Speaker 1: coaching him, I asked that because the rumor mill, let's
52:50
Speaker 1: say they miss the playoffs. Let's say they go 9-8,
52:52
Speaker 1: which is very possible, right? You know, because they haven't
52:55
Speaker 1: even played Seattle yet. Let's say Puka's thing never recovers.
52:58
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett was supposed to be gone a couple weeks,
53:00
Speaker 1: but IR never saw him again, right, for a long time.
53:03
Speaker 1: So let's say Seattle gets it, the NFC North's getting it,
53:06
Speaker 1: obviously the Niners. You're on the outside looking in, and
53:09
Speaker 1: you've just gone all in with these moves. And then
53:11
Speaker 1: Stafford retires. Well, we know Amazon's been circling Sean for
53:15
Speaker 1: a while, and he's flirted with it. You're pretty confident
53:20
Speaker 1: that he stays with the Ty Simpson thing?
53:22
Speaker 2: I am, because if they went to Ty Simpson– What
53:25
Speaker 2: does that do to the salary cap? That frees up
53:28
Speaker 2: for the next three years. Sean can go out. You're
53:31
Speaker 2: going to have Miles Garrett, Aaron Donald, guys he really,
53:34
Speaker 2: really admires. You'll probably go get some new receivers. The
53:39
Speaker 2: backs are capable, the tight ends. I think he looks
53:42
Speaker 2: at the roster. He looks at the ownership and thinks, hey, man,
53:45
Speaker 2: if I leave, I'll never get a situation this good.
53:49
Speaker 2: I've told friends before, if I let box– If I
53:53
Speaker 2: retired from Fox, well, I'm never going to get a
53:55
Speaker 2: management team that lets me have the autonomy Fox would.
54:02
Speaker 2: Just be careful when you go to work with a
54:05
Speaker 2: smile on your face. You can retire, but if you decide, hey,
54:10
Speaker 2: I want to come back in, it's very rare, John,
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Speaker 2: that a coach– I mean, Shanahan has a lot of power.
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Speaker 2: Andy Reid doesn't want it. Sean Payton does now because
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Speaker 2: he's winning. What if Sean Payton was seven and eight
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Speaker 2: and won scored games? Even Sean Payton wouldn't have the power.
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Speaker 2: McVay has got autonomy. He's got respect. You and I
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Speaker 2: know if he wants somebody drafted, they do it. I
54:34
Speaker 2: think Ty Simpson is going to be a free quarterback
54:37
Speaker 2: for four years. He's already got his Super Bowl. He's
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Speaker 2: got his trophy that will allow them to go big
54:45
Speaker 2: game hunting at skill players offensively. Amazon's great, but that's
54:52
Speaker 2: always going to be there. Sean McVay still looks 31
54:55
Speaker 2: years old. That's always going to be there. Be very
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Speaker 2: careful about leaving the Rams because you may find broadcasting
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Speaker 2: is not nearly as fun. And by the way, Sean's
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Speaker 2: an energy guy. Sean is in the You want to
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Speaker 2: sit in a broadcast booth? I mean, is that really
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Speaker 2: what you want to do? At his age, I don't
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Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, I mean, I hope he stays. I
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Speaker 2: just think that the pressure, the expectations for this team,
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Speaker 2: I mean, couldn't have been any higher. And it's just,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're putting guys on IR every single week,
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Speaker 2: and you can only overcome so many of them. And
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Speaker 2: Stafford at this point in time can't move. Who's he
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Speaker 2: going to throw to?
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Speaker 1: Because he only throws the 12th. with Devontae. And Devontae,
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Speaker 1: would his hamstring rip off the bone? So, I mean,
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Speaker 1: his was six to ten weeks. We're like two weeks in.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is.
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Speaker 1: This sucks, but man, they're down bad. And this gets
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Speaker 1: back to the Garrett thing. When Garrett got injured, clearly
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Speaker 1: they would not have been 5-4 if Garrett had played
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Speaker 1: the whole time. They would have had a little more.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they're 7-2. Maybe they got a little more of
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Speaker 1: a buffer. It's like, okay, Puka needs a little time off.
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Speaker 1: We can lose a couple games. He'll come back. We'll
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Speaker 1: be 8-5. All of a sudden, you look up. You
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Speaker 1: could be under 500, and the NFC.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the NFC to me clearly is better than
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Speaker 1: the AFC in terms of depth of the high end team.
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Speaker 1: So that 10 there might be a 10 and 17
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Speaker 1: that does not get the seven seed this year. So
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Speaker 1: you got to get to 11 and a five and four.
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Speaker 1: Your margin for error is nonexistent, is nonexistent. So, I mean, Stafford,
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Speaker 1: if against Seattle without Puka and Devante, if they had
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Speaker 1: to play a game where they didn't, they would have
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Speaker 1: no chance.
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Speaker 2: To move the ball. Let's talk polymarket Thursday night football.
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Speaker 2: New York Giants trade at 55% to beat the Washington Commanders. Well,
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Speaker 2: if it goes in the late game situation, I certainly
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Speaker 2: don't trust Washington. They're just egregious. I got to tell
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Speaker 2: you something. I think John Harbaugh, Todd Monk, and Sean
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Speaker 2: Payton are on a short list of coach of the year.
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Speaker 2: Right now, the Giants have a top 10 offense. The
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Speaker 2: Cowboys don't. And they're on a third quarterback with J.J.
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Speaker 1: McCarthy.
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Speaker 2: I said this in the offseason. They were my pick
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Speaker 2: to double their wins. I think their talent is better
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Speaker 2: than people think. I'm not so sure Jonathan Taylor won't
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Speaker 2: be on that team for Thursday's game, the trade deadline.
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Speaker 2: We are in the midst of it. I like New York.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to win this division. This podcast
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