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Podcasting 2.0 - Episode 271: Foot Terminal · WGKM

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  Podcasting 2.0 for September 18th, 2026, episode 271, Foot Terminal.
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  Foot Terminal. Hello, everybody. Hey, guess what? We're not in
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  New York. No, we're not in New York. We're in
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  the boardroom. It is time for Podcasting 2.0. This is
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  where the true future of podcasting is discussed because, hey,
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  we're the people that build it, believe it or not.
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  So we don't need to be hanging out in Manhattan.
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  No, no, no. In fact, we are the only board
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  meeting that doesn't need government regulation, the IPO. I'm Adam
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  Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country
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  and in Alabama, the man who flipped four endpoints in
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  four days, watched the logs until morning, and beat a
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  coding agent with a pen and paper. Say hello to
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  my friend on the other end, Dave Jones. They get
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  better, right? P and P. P and P? What's P
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  and P? Oh, pen and paper. Pen and paper. Pen
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  and paper, baby. Yeah. That was good. I like that.
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  That was excellent. Of course, the pen is mightier than
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  the sword. Of course, the sick thing is, is that
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  my robot wrote that whole sentence. Oh, well. I love
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  the robot. I've taught the robot well. The robot knows.
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  It's like, okay, I need a little thing about what
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  Dave has been doing. And it goes through all of
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  your podcast index.social posts and says, and it came up
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  with that whole line. The man who flipped four endpoints
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  in four days. Watch the logs until morning and beat
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  a coding agent with a pen and paper. You need,
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  you really need to, um, start putting those promos out
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  in some place that that somebody else can hear it
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  like tacking onto the front or something like that because
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  that one last week was hilarious but it turns out
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  it was it turns out YOLO guy was running the
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  index the whole time that was that was also written
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  by the robot That was cracking me up, man. Yeah.
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  The robot has humor without even knowing it because it
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  doesn't. It doesn't know anything. It's stupid. It's the humor
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  of a three-year-old who does something and everybody in the
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  room starts laughing, but they don't know why. Yeah, exactly.
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  You nailed it. That's exactly right. That's exactly what's happening.
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  Toddler humor. How you doing, brother? I'm good. Okay. Yeah,
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  I'm good. You took a pause there. I was a
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  little concerned. Took a pause. No, no, no. Not a
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  bad pause. Just a pause to internally assess whether I
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  am good or not. So I've been watching some of
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  the podcast week, as James has called. We didn't have
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  a Pod News Weekly review. Yeah. That kind of sucked.
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  They skipped it, but I did have a... What are
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  we going to talk about? The Buzzcast, do you consume
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  Buzzcast? Irregularly. Irregularly. What did the Buzzcast... I did not
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  hear it this week. What did the Buzzcast have? What
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  did the Buzzcast have? Before I said it, Can I
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  ask you a question about Omarchi first, real quick? Of
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  course. If I don't right now, I'm going to forget.
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  Okay, are you hanging in there because they saw, like,
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  well, maybe you should go to Fedora. I'm going to
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  do this. And there's Sir Bemrose. No, Alex Gates coming
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  in right away. This is no good. This sucks. HFF
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  is a hypester. I'm not a DHH fan. The way
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  he talks, his volume and intensity has turned up to
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  11 all day long, and I just cannot handle it.
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  No, you're not supposed to. You're just supposed to install
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  a Marchie, and then you need to look at the
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  other calm guys, like that one guy who has a...
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  is always drinking his coffee. He's not really that calm.
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  I'm just watching all these other- Network Chuck. Yeah, Network
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  Chuck. I like that guy. Network Chuck, he's my go-to
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  source. Yeah, that guy and the other guy who is
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  always testing all the AI models. I forget who he
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  is. Yeah, Network Chuck is definitely my man. Yeah, I
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  like him. I take a lot of advice from Network
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  Chuck. Network Chuck. So my question is, I've been living
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  with the Marche lifestyle for a couple of weeks now.
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  It's an alternative lifestyle, mind you. It is alternative lifestyle.
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  And I've got my desktop really dialed in. I've got
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  all... I've got all the five default workspaces. I'm sure
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  I could add more if I needed them. Yeah, you
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  just hit super key six and it'll add one. Well,
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  let me try that right now. Super keys. Bam! Okay.
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  Bam, he says. Yes. So, so, I need to know,
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  since I have this set up perfectly, Mm-hmm. I need
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  to know how to make this exact configuration of window
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  positions on workspaces come back at boot every time. Oh,
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  okay. That's very easy. Okay. You ready? Yes. Open a
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  terminal. Wait, I'm going to go... Super six and then
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  you can just use, you can just super enter, super
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  enter gives you a terminal. Yeah, but I don't want
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  to, I don't want it to cram itself into it.
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  So I'm going to get a super six and then
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  super enter to give me a terminal. Now, let me
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  just give you a little shortcut. Let me, uh, let
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  me, uh, give you a little cool hint here. Uh,
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  Do super tea. That's what they used to call me
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  in high school. Did you do Super T? Yeah, I'm
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  full screen now, baby. Well, you should be able to
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  super right-click and reposition that window. So Super T basically
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  makes it hovering. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. I got
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  you. And now if you do Super T again, it
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  goes full screen. So it's not tiling. That's what it
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  is. Sometimes I find a terminal window in a workspace
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  by itself is too big. It's too big. Okay. Okay.
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  Now you type in. It's too wide. It's too wide.
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  Yes. Now you type in the following. Clawed. Okay. Okay.
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  No, no, no, no, no. Negative. I refuse to comply
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  with this. Literally, all you do is you say, Claude.
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  It's built into the system. It has omarchie skills. But
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  I have pi. I'm living the pi life. So I
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  can do, you're going to tell me to get the
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  agent to save my configuration. Yes, exactly. But okay, look,
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  I've got Pi. Maybe Pi can do it. Okay, well,
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  let's see. That was a funny joke, though, wasn't it?
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  That was a funny joke. Yes. No, you got me.
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  You got me. Okay, I'm going to go to, let's
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  see, sandbox. I'm going to launch Pi. And you tell
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  me what you want me to tell to... Save my
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  current five workspaces configuration so it restores upon boot. Enter.
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  Configuration so that all windows and their positions are restored
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  upon boot. Okay. I'm going to just prepend this for
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  my own clarity. I'm going to prepend this with this
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  is an Omarchi system. Okay. okay all right we'll see
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  so while you're doing that so while you're doing i
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  may go down during the show what what uh what
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  model are you running it on you're running on the
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  on the spark um we're using a a variation of
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  the uh quin 3.7b it's it's a new one called
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  uh yukasai yukasai it's yukasai swift quinn 3.8 27b with
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  uses 58 fewer thinking tokens with less than one percent
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  quality loss of output so i find i figured it
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  out it hit me this morning it just hit me
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  i'm like oh i understand now The whole reason these
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  Frontier Labs, which makes it sound... I mean, why don't
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  we just say dudes in cubicles? But okay. Frontier Labs,
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  they want to slow down. Yeah, we need to slow
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  it down. I figured it out. It's so obvious. The
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  models are not improving. They're just not improving. You know,
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  in fact, the bigger the model is, the stupider it
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  gets. The harnesses. Well, yes, because there's nothing left. They're
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  all saying it. Well, there's nothing left on the Internet.
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  There's nothing left to suck in. There's no, you know,
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  all we can use is synthetic data. It's unimportant. It's
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  the harness. The harness is the thing now. That's the
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  only thing they have, and they know it, and they
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  want to slow it down. It's collusion. It is absolutely,
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  it should be deemed anti-competitive. They want to slow it
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  down because they want all the open source models to
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  stay four months behind. Don't catch up to us because
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  if they don't move forward, nobody does. because they know
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  that anything they do after this will just suck. And
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  they have IPOs that they've already moved out, and there
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  is nothing left for them to do but change the
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  harness. And that's the beauty. Pi, your harness, you completely
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  control. The weights on the model, you completely control. They're
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  no longer necessary. So that's why they're doing dangerous regulation.
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  That's it. Yeah. That's it. There's nothing else. I agree
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  with you. I agree. I mean, it's like, it's hit
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  me like, oh, this is so obvious. Do you remember
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  this? And you, you just.
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  disagreed with me and maybe you still do. We had
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  a disagreement that I, my position is, Has been that
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  part of the plan. Now, I don't believe that the
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  big frontier labs had a plan. I don't believe that.
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  I think that they're really just winging this whole thing
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  as from day to day. I'm with you on that.
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  Yeah. Yeah. But the... But I think part of the
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  plan that evolved that they have now really become dependent
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  upon is hardware prices. As the hardware prices have gone
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  up, they have realized that that is a moat for
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  them because local inference – It's really difficult if you
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  can't afford to buy any equipment because a stick of
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  rim costs $3,000. Absolutely. Did I disagree with you at
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  the time? You did. What did I say? You said
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  I disagree with you. Okay. But like the... I don't
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  think that was the initial plan, but I think this
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  has now become something they're dependent on. And the confirmation
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  I got for that belief... was. An interview I heard
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  with Ed Zitron talking about a Bloomberg report that just
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  came out that says that to date, Microsoft has only
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  built two gigawatts of AI capacity. Mm-hmm. In the grand
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  scheme of things, if they've actually bought... enough GPUs to
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  build out the 12 gigawatts that they have said that
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  they have, which they actually haven't built, then that means
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  they have... $100 billion worth of GPUs sitting in a
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  warehouse somewhere. I don't believe that that's the case. These
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  are more likely... purchase futures they've they've bought they've bought
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  the they've contracted to buy gpus in the future and
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  that is just pushing prices up and up and up
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  and i don't think that they can afford to slow
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  down because it's if there's a gpu market crash oh
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  then everybody's running models everywhere Everybody gets models for nothing.
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  Well, there's... Okay. So I'm going to... I don't know
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  why I disagreed with you then, but I'm going to
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  completely agree now because that is indeed a great extra
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  benefit to them and NVIDIA. But AMD just acquired a
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  company. And if we just take the premise that, okay,
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  the models, basically the models are just okay now. The
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  models are good. It's all in the harness. It's all
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  in the weights, right? I mean, that's, I think you
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  and I agree on that. So, again, there's incremental improvement
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  here and there. But in general, I think we're pretty
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  good. Yeah, pretty good. So they just bought a company,
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  AMD acquired a company called Talos. And here is a
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  clip from Tech Tech Potato, because yeah, it's not just
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  Network Chuck. I also watch Tech Tech Potato, as you
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  should. Listen to this. Now, the metrics kind of sound
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  a bit insane. Just going off the website here, we
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  have a... Technology demonstrator chip. This chip is built on
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  TSMC 6 nanometer at near reticle size, 815 square mil,
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  with 53 billion transistors. And you put enough of them
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  to fill a 2.5 kilowatt server. So we're probably looking
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  at something around eight chips. And it's running the Lama
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  3.1 8 billion parameter model. it looks like a PCI
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  card, there's a lot of power delivery there that's probably
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  why it's got a high volt 12 power rail there
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  so it's hitting at least 300 watts per card but
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  the numbers here are what's insane. Tokens per second per
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  user. We're seeing NVIDIA H200 at around 230. We're seeing
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  Grok at 600. We're seeing Cerebrus at 2000, numbers that
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  I can verify actually exist. Talos are saying they can
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  do 17,000 tokens per second on this chip. And of
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  course, nobody believed them. until they built a website around
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  their chip. You can go check this out now. It's
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  called chatjimmy.ai. I know, it's pretty gay. Let's hopefully we
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  won't death hug the website. It says, chatjimmy, how can
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  I help you today? And let's ask it a question.
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  Say... What is in the... bubbles in pop. Generated in
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  33 milliseconds, the answer came at a speed of 14,200
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  tokens per second. So this is, of course, the next
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  level. is just bake the model into the chip. It's
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  perfect. What more do you need? Every computer will come
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  with this. If I mean, no offense to tech, tech
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  potato, but I don't I don't think he has to
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  worry about death hugging anybody on his live stream. I
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  just I just like the term death hugging. I thought
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  that was funny. Yeah, I don't think that one's going
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  to be a big concern for you, bro. No. But
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  what an awesome idea. Yeah, I mean, the... Because at
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  some point, the model just ceases to be irrelevant. We're
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  there. We're peak model. That's it. You don't need to
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  do much more. We already have all the information. It's
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  all about the tools now. It's like, get the tools,
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  execute the tools. Speak English. What more do you need?
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  Or speak Python. That's all you need. It's there. It's
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  done. It's over. These guys are over. Unless, of course,
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  they're going to try all kinds of shenanigans, of course.
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  But to me, it's like I'm running Quinn 3.8, I
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  think. 27? Yes, for all my stuff. It's great. It
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  is good. You should switch to this Swift version of
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  that. Okay. Because it's... it is quicker with very little
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  slowdown. I think it's the number one model on Pugging
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  Face right now. And now I went back and I
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  listened to that Alex Karp crazy interview on CNBC. He
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  looks so much like that dude from Ancient Aliens. Yes.
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  Tell me he doesn't. Yeah, he does. He does. And
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  now I understand what he was saying. It's like... The
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  value is no longer in the model. The value is
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  in the application. It's in the harness. That's where the
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  value is. And anybody can create those. See, Hermes, Hermes,
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  and Pi. Well, the model, the agent itself can create
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  The tools and the sandboxes and all those kinds of
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  things. Exactly. If it needs them. I've seen it do
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  it so many times at this point. Yeah. And even
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  the best models still on their own make just the
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  sloppiest mistakes. I've been living this for the last three
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  weeks. You and me both, brother. Of course. Of course
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  we've been living that. Of course. In fact, I think
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  the newer the model, the more mistakes it makes. I
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  think you're, I think you might be right. I, Because
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  there's really no discernible difference to me between... I think
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  the newer models become better at the benchmarks, but they
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  don't actually become better at their regular general use output.
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  You know, and that's Been clear because I've used, I've
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  been going through this database refactor for weeks now. And
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  as I switch between the different levels of models, I
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  just get the same, basically the same results. I don't
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  see any difference. No, there is none. So that's it.
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  You know, we can stop hyping. It's fantastic. We build
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  our own. You know, we pack together our own harnesses
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  and our own weights for each application specifically. Then we're
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  good to go. I don't think there's anything else coming.
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  We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. It's all
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  good. And I'm happy. I'm like, okay, I'm now a
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  software developer and I'm good. You can turn it off
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  now. You can shut the companies down. We're good. Are
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  you completely off of cloud models now? I still use
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  Claude code to create certain things, but all inference runs
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  on the Asus. Oh, okay. Oh, the GB or GX10.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And, uh, and I run my harnesses
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  on the Helix. So I do have those separated. Yeah,
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  because I got a lot of different agents running. So
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  I want them to have lots of RAM. Yeah, Eric,
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  there actually is a pretty big difference. You only really
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  see it if you're... It's clear when you're looking at
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  it through Pi with this model because Pi is real
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  good.
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  good about showing you the various, like we call those
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  like the placeholders for the, for the tool calling and
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  the thinking blocks and all that kind of stuff. And
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  you can see what it's better at is it doesn't
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  cycle as much through the same thing. types of things.
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  So rather than you may, you're still going to have
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  long thinking because that's just what that model does. But
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  the thinking is becomes, it's, it doesn't get stuck on
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  the same parts over and over. It tends to move
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  on faster to the, to other things. So you overall
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  over like through a, through a full session of something,
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  you'll end up with considerably quicker results. So I think,
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  I mean, I think it's worth it. And there, that
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  seems that from what I've seen on the different Reddit
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  threads and that kind of thing, this is everybody's experience
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  is roughly the same. You're still going to have a
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  lot of thinking, but you're going to end up with
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  an output that comes sooner. Yeah, I mean, this... I
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  don't know about... I don't really understand what is going
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  on with Cloudflare. Oh? I think they're spending so much
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  time doing AI bullcrap that they've really, they're starting to
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  like... lose the plot what do you mean what are
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  they doing Well, I mean... I'm just, I'm pretty annoyed.
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  So Melissa says that I have like, she told me
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  the other day, she's like, you really have like a.
• 21:39
  simmering low-level annoyance all the time. And you say, yeah,
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  how long have we been married? No, I don't. Exactly.
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  What are you talking about? And I told him, like,
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  you know what? It's tech. I've always had a love-hate
• 21:59
  relationship with tech. I mean, I love, I'm a tinkerer.
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  I love technology. But I also hate technology at the
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  same time because it's so – the more you integrate
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  it into your life, the more you start to have
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  death by a thousand paper cuts. Mm-hmm. And you're just
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  spending all of your time, you know, with home automation.
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  I got rid of that a long time ago. Yeah.
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  It's like, man, I just want a bowl of cereal.
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  Like, why do I have to put in my two
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  factor? Do you know what I mean? Like, it's that
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  kind of crap that you just have to, it's. It
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  drains your vitality. Yes. When you begin to live as
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  a machine. And that's, I think it's, I think it's
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  that in this cloud flare thing is a perfect example
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  of this because it's, They, they've had this program, you
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  know, they came out, it was a couple of years
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  ago with this thing, the bot identification program where you
• 23:05
  could register your, your bot. Oh yeah. This is, this
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  is in your, this is stuck in your craw this
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  one because you, yeah, I understand. And it's, so I
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  went through all of their things. I submitted the podcast
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  index aggregator as a feed crawling bot. I did all
• 23:25
  of that under the old regime regime. They, it was
• 23:30
  months, no response. Right. Right. After like eight or nine
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  months, no response. Well, then they come out with this
• 23:39
  blog post saying, hey, we've heard your feedback. We've heard
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  your feedback. I'm sure they did. Yeah, they heard it.
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  They changed it. They heard it. They didn't care about
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  you, but they heard it. Yeah. And they're like, we've
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  changed our system. Now you're going to get status updates.
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  There's a different way to submit your stuff. So go
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  submit your bot again under the new system. So I
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  went through and I did it all under the new
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  system. Yes. And zero feedback. It's been pending review for
• 24:17
  about three weeks. Yeah. And I've done it exactly to
• 24:21
  the modern standard that they wanted it done, which is
• 24:25
  we do HTTP request signing. with a public key. Man,
• 24:32
  I jumped through so many hoops to get Cloudflare to
• 24:37
  give us the time of day, and they do not
• 24:40
  care because they're too busy recreating WordPress, which nobody will
• 24:45
  ever use. What do you mean recreating WordPress? They cloned
• 24:49
  WordPress with a bunch of AI agents. Why? I don't
• 24:53
  know. That was their big press release. Cloudflare did that?
• 24:58
  Yes. Well, that's odd. I mean, like they were they
• 25:03
  were super proud of this, of this, that they vibe
• 25:06
  coded a solution to WordPress and WordPress and Next.js. And
• 25:11
  they called it something. What did they call it here?
• 25:15
  The spiritual M dash, the spiritual successor to WordPress that
• 25:20
  solves plugin security. Yeah. Like, That's what they're spending their
• 25:28
  time on. We recently rebuilt Next.js in one week using
• 25:33
  AI coding agents, but for the past two months, our
• 25:36
  agents have been working on an even more ambitious project,
• 25:38
  rebuilding WordPress. Oh, my goodness. Why? Why? What is the
• 25:45
  point? I don't get it, man. WordPress exists. Why do
• 25:50
  you have to make another one? Okay, I hear the
• 25:53
  low-level anger, irritation coming out there. She's right. Our new
• 25:57
  name for this CMS is M-Dash. How original. Yeah, nobody's
• 26:02
  ever used that before. It's entirely written in TypeScript. It's
• 26:06
  serverless, but you can run it on your own hardware,
• 26:08
  any platform you choose. I bet they have 10 users
• 26:12
  of this product for years, and then they kill it
• 26:15
  because it's dumb. Well, they have Google-itis is what they
• 26:19
  have. It's like you're really good at one thing. Like
• 26:23
  search. And then you got to build rockets and do
• 26:27
  all kinds of other stuff. Yeah. Those thermostats. Yeah. Cameras.
• 26:33
  Yeah. Yeah. This is all dumb, but it is actually
• 26:37
  annoying to me because we, this is a real problem
• 26:40
  that we have. We sometimes get blocked by Cloudflare's bot
• 26:45
  blocker. And we're a feed crawler. We live and die
• 26:49
  by the aggregators. Right. We have to be able to
• 26:52
  have some sort of allowance for that, and they will
• 26:55
  not look at my emails. So we're still running up
• 26:58
  against issues hitting Cloudflare with our crawlers, and we just
• 27:02
  can't get through? Is that what you're saying? It's rare.
• 27:06
  It's not a ton of them, but it does happen.
• 27:08
  I see it. I've been deep. still deep in the
• 27:12
  bowels of the index. And I'm still seeing it because
• 27:16
  I'm hitting edge cases every day with this refactor. And
• 27:20
  one of the ones I hit yesterday was this problem.
• 27:23
  Well, before we get into the refactor, I thought there
• 27:25
  was kind of a win because I had been paying
• 27:27
  attention to what's happening at... Podcast week. podcast movement. Tom
• 27:34
  Webster from Sounds Profitable He did a whole speech. It
• 27:40
  was pretty interesting, actually. And he threw up this slide.
• 27:43
  Actually, James wrote a post about it. And this is
• 27:48
  on the screen. There's a slide. None of the top
• 27:51
  three is a dedicated podcast platform. And it shows YouTube,
• 27:56
  Spotify, and Netflix. Which is where everybody has to be.
• 28:00
  You got to be there because that's where the audience
• 28:02
  is. It's got to be there. Where did Netflix come
• 28:05
  from? Oh, Netflix has been acquiring podcasts. And in fact,
• 28:09
  if you get a deal with Netflix, you have to
• 28:12
  take your stuff off of YouTube. And then if you
• 28:14
  turn on Netflix, there's, I don't know, there's a... Failed
• 28:19
  television people like who's the guy? Brian Williams. You know,
• 28:25
  they've all got podcasts now. And so what Netflix is
• 28:29
  trying to do is they're trying to get daytime viewing
• 28:31
  numbers up. And in fact, they're actually not doing that
• 28:35
  great. Netflix's numbers are not doing well because they're focusing
• 28:39
  on podcasts, morons. But there was this... I got this
• 28:43
  little bit, which I thought was kind of interesting. And
• 28:45
  this just solidified the whole idea of RSS people. I
• 28:49
  will say just a little bit more on the controversial
• 28:52
  side that, you know, this does show you the platforms
• 28:55
  don't have all the power which I think is so
• 28:57
  cool that you know podcasting really is a meritocracy everyone
• 29:00
  wants it to be this thing that it isn't there's
• 29:02
  too much revenue on the top 500,000 shows we have
• 29:04
  a lot of big shows I shouldn't be saying that
• 29:06
  but in the mid-size to the long there's so much
• 29:08
  value for brands in many cases you'll be the 100%
• 29:11
  share of voice for the foreseeable future so I think
• 29:14
  there's so much upside there. Now, the idea that the
• 29:16
  platforms can't just decide to do this, we had a
• 29:19
  really, really large UK publisher of ours that said, hey,
• 29:22
  they were more upset than we were about this. And
• 29:25
  it's not my place to talk them out of it
• 29:26
  or defend it. If they want to pause their distribution
• 29:29
  on Spotify, that's what they did. And that's what we
• 29:32
  will support them in that. So that just shows that
• 29:34
  you can't do this, right? I also worked in an
• 29:37
  industry where, you know, if you're just beholden to somebody
• 29:40
  like Facebook, I watched them turn off 25% of our
• 29:43
  revenue with just an algorithmic change that they couldn't explain.
• 29:46
  So the idea that our creators won't be relying on
• 29:48
  any one platform, that if they make a mistake, there's
• 29:51
  other places to go, I think is really important and
• 29:53
  kind of a good check and balance on the industry.
• 29:55
  Hallelujah. I don't know what industry you're talking about, about,
• 29:58
  but hallelujah.
• 30:01
  Decaf, man. Well, it's the podcast industrial complex. It runs
• 30:05
  on caffeine. But Tina asked me this the other day,
• 30:10
  and we're talking about Godcaster, and she says, well, what's
• 30:13
  the point? Yeah. I always love those kinds of questions.
• 30:17
  It's like, cause you have to stop and think about
• 30:19
  it for a second. What's the point? Why would anyone
• 30:22
  want this when they can just go to Apple and
• 30:24
  then listen to the podcast? And now, and whenever she
• 30:27
  says this, I am very happy. This is, this is,
• 30:30
  This is the best news I could receive because Tina
• 30:33
  was also, and she's told me this, we weren't together.
• 30:36
  She said, I remember thinking, what's the point of having
• 30:40
  a card to pay with? What's the point? When you've
• 30:44
  got a pocket full of cash. Yes. And the next
• 30:47
  one was, what is the point of being able to
• 30:49
  make a phone call on the street? Yes. So whenever
• 30:53
  she says this, I'm happy. You're like, yes, we've made
• 30:56
  it. And of course, then I said, well, you'd be
• 31:00
  surprised that 30 to 35% of women actually, they just
• 31:04
  listened to a podcast episode in a web browser. And
• 31:09
  of course, there's also another 30% of women who are
• 31:14
  bots, who are posing as a web browser. So, you
• 31:22
  know, it's like wherever, wherever you get your podcast is
• 31:24
  still the most powerful sentence in broadcasting today. And so
• 31:30
  when people are starting to realize in the podcast industrial
• 31:33
  complex that, you know, being able to go anywhere is
• 31:38
  a plus and your audience will go where you tell
• 31:42
  them, they will. And so, you know, of course, RSS
• 31:46
  isn't actually mentioned in the clip. But that is the
• 31:51
  beauty of podcasting. And people are starting to find out.
• 31:54
  I mean, Spotify. Oh, good Lord. They have taken down
• 31:58
  so many episodes of No Agenda now. Every day I
• 32:01
  get a new, oh, we took this one down. We
• 32:04
  took this one down. Because it's got music in it.
• 32:07
  And we got AI songs that people make themselves. Oh,
• 32:11
  this music, take it off. I thought y'all weren't on
• 32:14
  Spotify. We weren't. And then we decided before John died,
• 32:18
  we decided to, that's probably what killed him. Put him
• 32:20
  on Spotify. That's it. It polished him off. Same. You
• 32:25
  need to be on YouTube. Put it on YouTube. Put
• 32:27
  it on YouTube. Okay. Why don't you put it on
• 32:29
  YouTube? And hey, man, I took it off YouTube because
• 32:32
  I got two strikes. I can't have another strike. Well,
• 32:34
  what'd you get strikes for? Copyright violation. Oh, you mean
• 32:38
  the completely legal fair use case of us playing clips
• 32:41
  of news organizations? Yeah, well, of course. I like what
• 32:45
  that guy said in that clip. He's like the middle
• 32:50
  of the podcast, not in the top 500,000 or whatever
• 32:56
  he said. That's exactly how I want to be remembered.
• 33:03
  In the future, looking back on my work is, man,
• 33:07
  I'm so proud of what I did because I was
• 33:08
  so valuable to brands. That's funny. It just makes my
• 33:16
  heart warm. I was valuable. Think of how valuable I
• 33:19
  was to brands. Valuable to brands. Baby, I'm going to
• 33:24
  miss you, but at least we were valuable to brands.
• 33:28
  Let me see. So first of all, Daniel J. Lewis
• 33:31
  is always trying to rebrand everything. It's not good enough
• 33:34
  to have super chapters. I don't like saying wherever you
• 33:37
  get your podcasts. I say, in your favorite podcast app.
• 33:40
  No. No. No, no, because it could also be a
• 33:44
  route. Let me just take a look at no agenda.
• 33:46
  Let me see how many episodes have been taken down.
• 33:49
  Like, did they take them down or just notify? No,
• 33:52
  they take it down. Let's see. What am I missing
• 33:54
  here? Uh... 1892 is gone. Uh... Oh, we got to
• 34:05
  go. 1879 is gone. Yeah, they just take it down,
• 34:10
  man. They just take it down. Or someone reports you
• 34:13
  for something. Bimrose. I get my podcast through WGit. That's
• 34:19
  my podcast app. You know, who's my buddy over here?
• 34:25
  My buddy. Let me see. Where's my buddy? My buddy.
• 34:30
  My buddy. He built something interesting. Why can't I find
• 34:34
  them now? Um, he built a podcast app, Jonathan, here
• 34:41
  we go. Let me see. In fact, it's a media
• 34:47
  player. It automatically censors words from a list of profanity.
• 34:54
  What? Yeah. So it's a media player. And he's just
• 34:58
  getting, this is like alpha alpha. He's just messing around
• 35:02
  with stuff. Okay. It's like, you know, because I play
• 35:05
  stuff. I don't want my kids to hear certain things
• 35:08
  while I'm listening to it. So, hey, you know, what's
• 35:11
  wrong with that? Yeah. I mean, there's some, there's some
• 35:14
  episodes that really wouldn't, that it'd skip the whole episode.
• 35:18
  You'd get a word every few seconds. Yeah. But I
• 35:21
  mean, this is the kind of stuff that people are
• 35:22
  thinking about. Like, you know, Hey, I can, but he
• 35:24
  says, Oh, this is interesting. It works on modest hardware.
• 35:29
  He says he worked out a way to share fingerprints
• 35:31
  of the scans to servers so the app will just
• 35:33
  look to see if someone else has already scanned the
• 35:35
  media and produced a fingerprint. There's all kinds of interesting
• 35:38
  things taking place. Because, yeah, just because I don't mind
• 35:42
  what, you know, what languages use, maybe someone else doesn't
• 35:46
  want to hear it. We're in a whole new era
• 35:51
  of stuff. It reminds me of... What I was started
• 35:58
  to bring up and forgot was the latest buzzcast. Yes.
• 36:03
  And that the reason I had brought it up was
• 36:06
  because they're talking about how they're their vibe coding, their
• 36:10
  own remote recording tool to do their podcasts. Oh, sure.
• 36:15
  Why wouldn't you? And this, so the first thing I
• 36:19
  thought of when they were talking about this and they're,
• 36:21
  they're evidently going to release it, you know, into some
• 36:24
  kind of beta for their, for their hosting customers. And
• 36:28
  I can see over time as this thing matures, There's
• 36:34
  definitely going to be... A lot of their customers that
• 36:39
  use this product. Of course. This is really interesting to
• 36:44
  me because what we saw over the last couple of
• 36:48
  years were remote recording tools like Riverside and these other
• 36:53
  companies. Adding hosting and now the tables have been flipped.
• 36:57
  Yeah, touche. Okay, D'Artagnan. That's right. I mean, two can
• 37:04
  play at that game, right? Well, I mean, this might
• 37:07
  be a big deal. I created my entire own play
• 37:09
  out system. You know, I was... You did, you did.
• 37:13
  I was stuck on Windows because I was using... Gosh,
• 37:17
  I don't remember the name of it now. Yeah. What
• 37:20
  was that play out system? Well, it was a Windows-based
• 37:23
  app. M Air List. Yeah, M Air List. Yes, thank
• 37:25
  you. And it was a good product, you know, and
• 37:28
  I paid my license fee. It was like 300 bucks.
• 37:31
  Not cheap, but it really worked well. And I was
• 37:36
  stuck on Windows because of it. And then I moved
• 37:39
  to Linux. I'm sorry. Omache. I'm sorry. GNU Linux. GNU
• 37:44
  Linux. Omache. Arch. And in an afternoon, I put the
• 37:51
  whole thing together. And I even made a remote version
• 37:56
  of it. Spun up a $5.00 Linode and said, "Hey,
• 37:59
  make this work on a web interface. It's all Python."
• 38:03
  Done. That's how fast it went. Done. Is somebody going
• 38:08
  to replace... You know, they're an entire ERP, Oracle ERP
• 38:15
  in an enterprise. No, but is, but this is where
• 38:19
  the, this right here is where the danger zone is
• 38:22
  for me. Like the, that Descript company, they got like
• 38:27
  some, they got something like, yeah. I want to say
• 38:30
  it's like $100 million of venture capital. Yeah. There's a
• 38:34
  lot of money tied up in some of these outfits,
• 38:37
  man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And those guys are in the
• 38:40
  crosshairs of just like a few afternoons of vibe coding
• 38:44
  some stuff. Well, the way... I don't think there's going
• 38:48
  to be huge businesses of people making new software and
• 38:52
  selling it. You know, I always kind of chuckle at
• 38:55
  all these people who are making AI services. I'm like,
• 38:58
  okay, maybe, I don't know. But if you have an
• 39:01
  existing business and you just need something... And you want
• 39:05
  it to work a certain way. Yeah, Vibe. That's why
• 39:07
  I like Omachi GNU, Linux, Arch. Is because the agents
• 39:13
  just sit there and do it on your computer. You
• 39:16
  know, it doesn't have to work with Microsoft DLLs. Whatever.
• 39:21
  Microsoft. O-L-E. Yeah. Ole. Ole. No. No, it doesn't have
• 39:28
  to work with any of that. And it just works
• 39:30
  great. And Python is the language of these models. It
• 39:33
  just works fabulously well. You create something. And then, like
• 39:37
  yesterday, I was looking for a clip. I was doing
• 39:40
  the show with Rob Dew. I'm like, oh man, this
• 39:43
  is, it's not giving me the results I want. Cause
• 39:46
  I didn't know exactly how it was spelled. So, you
• 39:49
  know, you've got search, you got fuzzy search. And I
• 39:52
  just, you know, but hold on a second. I'm just
• 39:54
  going to bake a model search in here. And I
• 39:57
  literally did it while, while the robot was,
• 40:00
  doing the chapters. I'm like, oh, okay, boom. It just
• 40:03
  works. Perfect. It does exactly what I want it to
• 40:08
  do. And think about if you have to talk to
• 40:11
  the developer, got to put in a request, and maybe
• 40:13
  wait a couple months. And now it's just whatever I
• 40:18
  want. It just does it. And I'm not a software
• 40:21
  guy, but here I am. You're going to need an
• 40:24
  R. You may need. I don't necessarily think coders are
• 40:30
  going to lose their jobs. No, this is going to
• 40:33
  create a lot of extra productivity and probably more jobs.
• 40:38
  But it's definitely going to require an army of IT
• 40:42
  people and site reliability and SRE site reliability engineers to
• 40:46
  keep all this new flood of software going. humming. So,
• 40:51
  I mean, this is going to be an interesting thing
• 40:55
  to watch because I do think turnabout is fair play.
• 40:59
  Turnabout? Yeah, like... Like they're going to... You know, the
• 41:06
  hosting companies are going to start pushing back and all
• 41:08
  these other people that added hosting. Because you're going to,
• 41:11
  you already see people making apps, podcast apps, stuff like
• 41:15
  that. I mean, we're going to see, I think we're
• 41:17
  going to see an explosion of software. Yes. Oh, we're
• 41:20
  already seeing that. We know from Paul. Just the delays
• 41:23
  on the app stores. Or if you don't need Paul,
• 41:25
  just go look at what's his face from. What's his
• 41:29
  face? Yeah. From the, what's his face? The Apple guy
• 41:33
  with his podcast app and his 5,000 Mac minis. Oh,
• 41:38
  Marco. Marco. What's his face? Marco. What's his face? You
• 41:42
  know, he's like, oh, it was taking forever to get
• 41:44
  my app approved. Yeah. That's because everyone's baking apps. And
• 41:49
  that's going to be, eventually, where this will wind up,
• 41:52
  everyone's going back to the browser. It's going to be
• 41:54
  too many apps. True. The browser is perfect. The pie
• 42:00
  came back. Yes. It says done. Reboot. Reboot. Reboot. All
• 42:07
  right. I'm rebooting right now. Reboot. Your five workspace layout
• 42:11
  is now saved and will be restored at boot. Here's
• 42:13
  what's in place. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It says
• 42:16
  how it restores at boot. Your dot local slash bin
• 42:21
  hyper session restore hooked via a bunch of stuff. I
• 42:25
  don't understand. A bunch of a bunch of hyper hyper
• 42:28
  land startup configuration. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. Verified are
• 42:36
  clean and blah, blah, blah. All right. After the show.
• 42:40
  You're going to do it, man. I'm going to reboot.
• 42:43
  Yeah. I mean, there's little things that I've had to
• 42:45
  do. Like, I want Workspace 9 to be on the
• 42:50
  secondary monitor on the right. You can hard code that
• 42:54
  in. So, you know, because we have multiple monitors and
• 42:58
  you start off with vanilla. See, the hard part is
• 43:02
  I want the apps and everything to start themselves. Launching
• 43:05
  Brave is fine, but I want it to go right
• 43:08
  back into Pi. It'll do it. Yeah, it'll do it.
• 43:11
  It'll do all that. It'll do all that. And it
• 43:13
  will make you an Americano. a pour over I'm sorry
• 43:20
  we only have pour over alright so let's talk about
• 43:23
  the scary stuff That sounds like you're talking about refactor.
• 43:27
  That's exactly what I'm talking about. The scary stuff. Yeah.
• 43:31
  So now do we have 11,000 podcasts that need to
• 43:35
  be reconciled? Is that where we're at now and someone
• 43:38
  has to go through this list? no no no not
• 43:42
  necessarily if that's true you're doing it not me here's
• 43:47
  what everybody wants we want docs man give us docs
• 43:49
  what are you doing do we have to refactor our
• 43:52
  whole podcast app what's happening dave docs the So... Let
• 44:00
  me see. Where are we? The... I keep hitting edge
• 44:05
  cases. Not many. Two or three. Spurlock sent me one
• 44:10
  a couple days ago and got that one figured out.
• 44:13
  It affected four podcasts. That's the point we're at now.
• 44:16
  We're talking about twos and threes and fours. Okay. Um,
• 44:24
  So Mitch was asking, do I have to refactor the
• 44:26
  entire pod verse next gen for this thing? And no,
• 44:30
  the answer is if I did my job right, then
• 44:32
  no. Right. Which is a very comforting answer. I tried
• 44:40
  to express that through a couple of very hard to
• 44:45
  understand scanned Pieces of paper with drawings all over them.
• 44:51
  It didn't help the comfort zone. I'll be honest about
• 44:54
  it. It looked like you're building a nuclear device. And
• 44:57
  it was like the little circles and bits and bobs
• 45:00
  and like, okay, I guess that's good. I hope it
• 45:04
  is. Um, so... The... What I was trying to express
• 45:12
  with those poor drawings is... that there is a... As
• 45:19
  we've talked about before, there's the new podcast table with
• 45:24
  this notion of... of a podcast that can point to
• 45:30
  a feed. It's not it's not everything's not just feeds.
• 45:37
  And so that brings up some interesting sort of internal
• 45:43
  routing stuff. Mm-hmm. And you can think of it –
• 45:49
  so think about it from the API's direction, okay? The
• 45:54
  API gives some endpoints. One of them is podcasts by
• 45:58
  feed URL. And another one is podcast by feed ID.
• 46:07
  And when... If you think about What you're asking, you're
• 46:14
  saying, okay, I want information about podcasts by feed ID,
• 46:19
  and the ID I'm going to give you is 920666,
• 46:21
  which is this show. When you come in, what the
• 46:26
  expectation has been in the past when you make that
• 46:30
  call to the API is that you are asking for
• 46:34
  a podcast RSS feed with ID 920666. And you don't
• 46:40
  care what the URL is. You don't know what the
• 46:43
  URL is. You just know that. You know that this...
• 46:48
  Feed ID is 920666. Well, this is a pretty exact
• 46:53
  analogy to the podcast identity. Because from the outside, you
• 47:00
  quickly start to think of... ID 920666, not as the
• 47:06
  feed, but as the podcast. Right. No agenda is 41504.
• 47:12
  Podcasting 2.0 is 920666. And... That you begin to mentally
• 47:19
  associate that with the show, not the feed. So that's,
• 47:23
  you could call that the ID entrance. Okay, so you
• 47:28
  think about, I'm coming in through the door that is
• 47:32
  the ID of the show. Then you have sort of
• 47:36
  another door into the database or into the index, which
• 47:40
  is the URL. So now you're saying I want to
• 47:44
  come in on – you're saying give me the URL
• 47:48
  podcast by feed URL. And it's feeds.podcastindex.org slash pc20.xml. So
• 47:58
  that's our RSS feed. Depending on which sort of route
• 48:05
  you take into the index through the API, whether it's
• 48:09
  through the ID, the GUID, the URL, you should always
• 48:15
  get the same response or the same data back. Because...
• 48:22
  If you're at what you're really wanting is a show,
• 48:25
  no matter how you slice it, you're wanting that show.
• 48:31
  Because you don't necessarily... The index is acting in an
• 48:37
  authoritative role. So, you may have an old feed URL.
• 48:45
  And that feed URL may be a 404 now, but
• 48:49
  what you're wanting is the show. And so if you
• 48:53
  ask for that feed URL, you're going to be a
• 48:56
  404 now. from the index, what it's going to do
• 49:01
  is it's going to route you to the correct current
• 49:06
  feed URL. It's going to still give you information about
• 49:11
  that old one. Like, hey, it's dead. But – and
• 49:15
  it's going to intelligently say, okay, this feed URL you're
• 49:18
  wanting, that thing's dead now. But the show continues with
• 49:23
  this other feed. And so you can think of it
• 49:27
  sort of like, like, you know, Since this... This new
• 49:36
  approach is sort of like, it's not entirely like an
• 49:40
  apophatic process, but it's much more balanced in how it
• 49:45
  traces the request criteria through the API to give you
• 49:49
  a response. And that... So what I mean is if
• 49:57
  you come in through the ID door,
• 50:00
  It's just going to walk up the chain to the
• 50:02
  podcast's table and, and give you back. It's going to
• 50:06
  walk up to the podcast table, find the current, see
• 50:10
  if those IDs match. The podcast ID matches the feed
• 50:15
  ID you asked for. If they do, it's just going
• 50:19
  to give you the same data back. If they don't
• 50:23
  match, you're going to give you the same data back.
• 50:25
  It's going to then go find what the current feed
• 50:28
  ID is and serve you that one. So that's the
• 50:32
  desired behavior. That's correct. Yeah. So that means that the
• 50:37
  people consuming the API... should not have to change anything
• 50:42
  about the way that they are calling it. They're just
• 50:46
  always going to get the correct data now. Yeah, it's
• 50:50
  the ISBN number for podcasts. Which is what we wanted
• 50:54
  to make. From day one. From day one. Why didn't
• 50:57
  we do that? What happened? Why did we decide against
• 50:59
  that? Well, it's just that this concept was a little
• 51:02
  bit too blurry. We weren't powerful enough. I don't think
• 51:07
  it was that. I think it's... So think of it
• 51:11
  this way. Since the podcast is... Since a podcast, excuse
• 51:17
  me, is just a concept we infer... From the data
• 51:22
  that's inside of a feed. What you end up is
• 51:26
  sometimes you're hamstrung. So what if the show changes its
• 51:31
  name? It's like, what if, what if no agenda changed
• 51:35
  its name to Adam's, Adam's on fire? Is it still
• 51:39
  the same show? Maybe? Sort of? Like, it's what you...
• 51:49
  It's what you intended, but it doesn't really match like
• 51:52
  normal expectation. There's a tension there is what I'm trying
• 51:55
  to say. And there's different degrees of this. So like
• 51:58
  you, there's a podcast I listen to called The Incomparable.
• 52:03
  And it changed its name a few years ago to
• 52:05
  be The Incomparable Mothership because then they have some spinoff
• 52:09
  shows. Well, clearly that. show, The Incomparable Mothership, is intended
• 52:14
  to be the same show. It just changed its name.
• 52:18
  Now, I understand that, but there's other shows that really
• 52:23
  just use the value of the feed, and it's a
• 52:25
  different show altogether. If you just key on – if
• 52:30
  you just key on the data inside the feed, it's
• 52:34
  very difficult to make some of these determinations. So what
• 52:38
  we tried to do all these years was – I
• 52:45
  didn't follow redirections. Of course, we're still doing that, all
• 52:49
  that kind of stuff. Follow the redirects. Look at the
• 52:52
  iTunes new feed URL tag, all these kinds of things.
• 52:56
  We're trying to follow these things. But then at some
• 52:59
  point, like the feed itself, you fall back and say,
• 53:03
  okay, you've got to tell me what you are now
• 53:05
  because we don't know. So the feed becomes sort of
• 53:08
  this technical authority, even though it may not always be
• 53:11
  telling you a full story. About what's happening. This new
• 53:18
  layout... Yeah, it gives you a... A breadcrumb trail. Yes.
• 53:28
  Like I said, it's an apophatic process. So it's really
• 53:31
  telling you what it is. You've said this twice now.
• 53:35
  Well, it's a little annoying. I'm sorry. Hold on. I
• 53:38
  don't. Hold on a second. Book of Knowledge. Give me
• 53:41
  the definition of apophatic. Thank you. I need to understand.
• 53:48
  According to the Book of Knowledge, apophatic refers to a
• 53:51
  theological method of describing God or the divine by negation.
• 53:55
  What? Stating only what cannot be said about the divine
• 53:59
  rather than what can, since the divine transcends all human
• 54:03
  concepts and language. Huh? Thus... It has been written. Okay.
• 54:09
  Did I get the wrong definition? No, it's right. But
• 54:13
  I think it's used more generally than that. Like, because
• 54:17
  basically it's trying to decide what something is by clearly
• 54:22
  expressing what it's not. Ah, describing God or the divine
• 54:27
  by negation. Okay. So just right. Okay. Apophatic. I'm going
• 54:31
  to use this. You are not ugly, Tina. Is that
• 54:36
  a correct apophatic? You're not going to get lucky that
• 54:41
  way, but you can try it. Okay. I think it's
• 54:46
  just like this is more this takes more of the
• 54:50
  negative side of these things into account because now you're
• 54:54
  saying we know it's we know that whatever this show
• 54:58
  is, we know it's not these it's not these other
• 55:01
  things. We know it's not these other feeds. And so
• 55:05
  that becomes sort of an important factor in trying to
• 55:09
  define what it is. is first expressing what it is
• 55:14
  not. Okay. Because if you have potentially five different feeds
• 55:19
  that all claim to be a particular show, if you
• 55:21
  know which four aren't that show, the one that's left
• 55:24
  logically is the thing that you... is correct. Mm-hmm. And
• 55:30
  then you just... work your process back from that. And
• 55:36
  express that in what the podcast table is. Right. So
• 55:42
  it's more, like I say, it's not totally a negative
• 55:46
  thing. process, but it's balanced. Whereas before we're just like,
• 55:53
  okay, well, these five feeds, they all tell me they're
• 55:55
  this. I don't know which one's right. I mean, it
• 55:57
  could be this one. It could be this other one.
• 55:59
  I don't know. I mean, I guess we're just going
• 56:03
  to leave it or make funky columns with duplicate of
• 56:08
  IDs in them. So I feel like this is a
• 56:12
  more robust process, except you have a third factor in
• 56:17
  there, which is the iTunes ID. And that's and excuse
• 56:21
  me, even if we have a fourth factor, too, which
• 56:24
  is the podcast good. So we're having to sort of
• 56:27
  like mung all these things together. And some things are
• 56:34
  not... Some things are not here, like heuristically munchable, you
• 56:41
  know, like, I mean, they're, they're not really, they don't,
• 56:44
  they don't really make that process very easy. So that's
• 56:48
  where all these edge cases are coming from. And it's
• 56:51
  just like, say, it's two, three, four here and there.
• 56:54
  It's not the end of the world, but what's going
• 56:56
  to come out of this in the. And people, there
• 57:00
  are some people who really want to see the history
• 57:02
  of all the feeds. That is still there. It still
• 57:05
  exists. The feeds table is still complete. All that's still,
• 57:09
  the weekly database dump is a dump of the feeds
• 57:13
  table. It just has podcast IDs as a separate column
• 57:18
  now. Mm-hmm. And so you can trace what happens. And
• 57:23
  one of the greatest things about this refactor has been
• 57:28
  that as the farther down this trail we go, the
• 57:34
  auditing of this stuff becomes so much better. Like it's
• 57:42
  already amazing to, to be able to troubleshoot this because
• 57:47
  I, in trying to find these edge cases, I had
• 57:49
  to this, I had a show this morning that I
• 57:52
  was trying to figure out what was going on with.
• 57:56
  And I've got a script now that I can run
• 57:58
  and it gives you like a narrative overview. It's like,
• 58:02
  Oh, well, here's what this feed was born on this
• 58:05
  date and then on transistor. And then it went to
• 58:09
  anchor and then it did. And then it went to
• 58:12
  RSS.com on this date. And then it's a good change.
• 58:15
  It's like you get a full like, like, like biography
• 58:19
  of every podcast podcast. And all the feeds that it
• 58:24
  has lived under this whole time, it's going to be
• 58:27
  a really cool thing when it's done. And we're almost
• 58:33
  there. We're almost there. I got... The endpoints, I've got
• 58:37
  to finish pushing those out. The reader endpoints, the ingestion
• 58:40
  pipelines already built. But the just like data reading endpoints,
• 58:46
  those are what's going on. And every, before I do
• 58:49
  it, I've got, like, I'm very dependent on AI coding
• 58:53
  for this thing, for this refactor. And every time I,
• 58:57
  before I push out a new, an endpoint, I pushed
• 58:59
  out the, what was it? iTunes ID one this morning.
• 59:04
  And before I push each one out, I just do
• 59:06
  like, I'm like, okay, do a full court press review
• 59:10
  on this code, find any bugs. Right. Right. Let's run,
• 59:13
  you know, look for test gaps. And I just try
• 59:16
  to try to hit it over and over. And inevitably,
• 59:19
  it always finds a couple of things. And so that's
• 59:22
  why I'm doing them at most one day, one per
• 59:25
  day. And then watch the logs overnight, check it again.
• 59:32
  And then there's a couple scripts I'm running that will
• 59:36
  look for drift. And there's usually one or two a
• 59:42
  day. So things are looking really good, but there's also
• 59:47
  some cron jobs now running that try to auto clean
• 59:51
  the. Yeah, make no mistakes. Yeah, that's the critical point.
• 59:58
  You got to tell it not to make mistakes.
• 1:00:00
  Um, so then you, but there's a couple of cron
• 1:00:03
  jobs now that are running that will try to auto
• 1:00:06
  correct this, this thing. So we, we have so much
• 1:00:10
  data now that is corroborative. So you have the URLs.
• 1:00:18
  of the feeds. You have the podcast table. You got
• 1:00:22
  the redirects, GUIDs, iTunes IDs. There's a rich body of
• 1:00:29
  things to pull from to make a determination about what,
• 1:00:33
  about what is the correct feed URL for this podcast
• 1:00:36
  at this moment. Man, we are fixing you, not we,
• 1:00:40
  but you are fixing everybody else's mistakes. that's basically what's
• 1:00:45
  happening. There's going to be a few manual, you know,
• 1:00:48
  there's going to, there's going to be always be a
• 1:00:49
  few, but I'm hoping it's just not, it's the, I'm
• 1:00:53
  hoping to, here's my, here's my, wish hmm is that
• 1:00:59
  we have, is that at the end of this process,
• 1:01:02
  we end up with a pipeline. of excuse me not
• 1:01:06
  a pipeline a feed of of podcasts which changed, which
• 1:01:15
  we cannot automatically correct And there's just maybe a handful
• 1:01:21
  a week. And it's enough to where we can all
• 1:01:24
  just pitch in, eyeball it a couple times a week,
• 1:01:27
  and it's very easily maintainable. Okay. That would be the
• 1:01:32
  great outcome. A community dashboard. Oh, yes. Community dashboard. That's
• 1:01:41
  what I like driving with everybody looking at the dashboard.
• 1:01:43
  I love that. That's my favorite. And heads up, the
• 1:01:46
  feed management dashboard on the API, that thing's going to
• 1:01:49
  have to change. Do you have access to go there
• 1:01:52
  and look at it right now? Yeah. I need to,
• 1:01:55
  because I need to tell you something. Okay. Hold on
• 1:01:57
  a second. All right. Dashboard. Which, where do I want
• 1:02:03
  to be? Where do I want to be? Just search
• 1:02:05
  for a feed, like a 920666. 920666. Boom. Okay. That's
• 1:02:13
  not us. Oh, that was 820. Hold on. 920666. Okay.
• 1:02:18
  Podcasting 2.0. I'm there. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Look right next
• 1:02:22
  to the number. You see it says podcast 920666 with
• 1:02:27
  a little badge. Yeah. And a little question mark pops
• 1:02:30
  up. Yeah, if you hover over it, it should say
• 1:02:34
  this feed is its current feed, which is a terrible
• 1:02:37
  grammar. I'm disappointed that you put two dashes instead of
• 1:02:41
  an M dash, but okay, I'll accept it. Okay, so
• 1:02:44
  this currently this in the dashboard is how you associate
• 1:02:51
  this feed. With a podcast. Got it. Um... 920666 is
• 1:02:59
  the feed ID. And what this is telling you is
• 1:03:03
  the podcast ID is 920666 also. Mm-hmm. If you want
• 1:03:09
  to see a different version of that, then go to...
• 1:03:18
  Search search for 803 803-4392. Okay. Ruben Comics Podcast. Ah,
• 1:03:29
  this feed is its current feed. Reach through Merged Away
• 1:03:32
  Podcast, 803-4392. Okay, I see it. This is telling you
• 1:03:39
  that feed 803-4392 is the feed for podcast 567-3693. That
• 1:03:50
  is very confusing. Mm-hmm. But it's only confusing because this
• 1:03:55
  dashboard was never engineered to show you a podcast layer.
• 1:04:01
  It was meant to show you feeds. And that's what
• 1:04:04
  it's still showing you. So there's going to have to
• 1:04:06
  be a refactoring of this dashboard after this whole thing
• 1:04:10
  is finished to make it podcast centric instead of podcast.
• 1:04:15
  Feed-centric so that you're going to see the podcast and
• 1:04:17
  then you'll see the feeds as sort of children underneath
• 1:04:21
  them. Mm-hmm. So for now, this is confusing, but it's,
• 1:04:28
  it at least gives you some sense of, of what
• 1:04:32
  you're looking at, even though it's going to take a
• 1:04:34
  few seconds to register what's happening in your brain. Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Yeah, so that's where things stand. We're getting close. We're
• 1:04:44
  getting close. Well, you are my hero, Dave Jones, I
• 1:04:49
  have to say. I should be no one's hero. You
• 1:04:51
  are my hero. You are. You are the wind beneath
• 1:04:53
  my wings. Ha ha ha. Thank you, Barbara. Was that
• 1:04:59
  Barbara Streisand? No, that was... You are the... No, Bette
• 1:05:04
  Midler. Bette Midler, that's right. Beaches. What else do we
• 1:05:09
  need to talk about today? Is there anything else that
• 1:05:13
  was... What have you got? I've been talking. What do
• 1:05:18
  you got? No, I got nothing. I'm just, I'm just
• 1:05:21
  here to run the board. That, um, Pod ping, I
• 1:05:27
  haven't forgotten about pod ping. Yes. It's just... And this,
• 1:05:34
  this just became the most important thing. No, I understand.
• 1:05:37
  I think everybody understands. As happening. I mean, hey, Citizen
• 1:05:41
  updated his bathroom. So I think we're good. The bathroom
• 1:05:43
  is updated. We're good. It's up to date. And so
• 1:05:48
  we will all get back to that project soon. But
• 1:05:55
  I think we have to finish this up. Man, you
• 1:06:01
  do an incredible amount of work with your one hour
• 1:06:04
  a day. It's truly unbelievable. And it's been a little
• 1:06:07
  bit more than that lately. I've been throwing some night
• 1:06:10
  work in too, but I try not to do that
• 1:06:13
  because I want to spend some family time. Yeah. It's
• 1:06:16
  just I got to get this... project off the board.
• 1:06:20
  I just hope that I can know that somehow we
• 1:06:24
  can remove the very low level irritation, anger from your
• 1:06:30
  life because that's not good. That's not healthy. It's just
• 1:06:32
  not good. It's not good. I've always been that way
• 1:06:36
  because and I think it's just I really do think
• 1:06:40
  it's the technology thing. Technology is a two-edged sword, man.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah. I really do hate, in my younger years, it
• 1:06:48
  was exciting enough and dopamine, what's that word, dopaminergic enough?
• 1:06:53
  Yeah. To where you just sort of get, you overlook
• 1:06:57
  the frustration and the annoyance. annoying parts. Yeah. But as
• 1:07:02
  you get older and life becomes more varied and Your
• 1:07:07
  responsibilities go all over the place. Those small things that
• 1:07:12
  you used to overlook become just, they become such a
• 1:07:15
  pain. And, you know, if I, there's too much, I
• 1:07:21
  think there's generally speaking too much technology in every, in
• 1:07:25
  all of our lives. Oh, of course. Absolutely. I'm blown
• 1:07:30
  away by screen time numbers still to this day. Seven
• 1:07:34
  hours a day, people are on their screens. Wow. And
• 1:07:38
  that's their phone or their iPad. It's not like a
• 1:07:41
  computer. If you're at work, I understand you got screen
• 1:07:44
  time because you're doing stuff. But I'm just like, it's
• 1:07:49
  not good. What is my screen time? Let's see. That's
• 1:07:54
  why podcasting is so good because you just turn the
• 1:07:56
  screen off, put it in your pocket, and you're good
• 1:07:59
  to go. Bob's your uncle. Let's see. One hour and
• 1:08:04
  34 minutes. For today? That's average. Really? What were you
• 1:08:11
  doing? That's probably toilet scrolling. Let me see screen time.
• 1:08:19
  Do I have that screen? Why does it not show
• 1:08:24
  up here? Screen time. Would it be usage? Usage. Can
• 1:08:29
  you get that on Android? Yeah, of course. Usage and
• 1:08:32
  diagnostics. Okay. Usage. Uh... No. That's got to be in
• 1:08:41
  here. It's probably under apps or something. Mmm. Huh. An
• 1:08:50
  hour and 34 minutes. That seems high. I don't even
• 1:08:53
  know where that is. Maybe apps. Apps. Oh, come on.
• 1:09:00
  There's got to be a way to do it. What
• 1:09:01
  are we looking for? I'm looking for. Go to Claude.
• 1:09:05
  I'm looking for. Oh, yes, I agree. I agree. I'm
• 1:09:09
  looking for screen time. See, this is a perfect example
• 1:09:16
  of like, I agree, I agree. It's like all these
• 1:09:20
  paper. Oh, yeah. No, it's horrible. Okay. Screen time today.
• 1:09:26
  My Lord. Well, that's not entirely fair. What is it?
• 1:09:31
  Come on, fess up. It's three hours and 41 minutes,
• 1:09:34
  of which two hours and eight minutes is Obsidian. Obsidian.
• 1:09:39
  Yeah. That's my whole life. My life runs on Obsidian.
• 1:09:43
  Thank you very much, Alex Gates. It runs on Obsidian.
• 1:09:47
  So I'm listening to clips, you know, that I store
• 1:09:49
  stuff in Obsidian. Brave, only 25 minutes, and Canine Male,
• 1:09:54
  only 14 minutes. So I feel pretty good. Canine male?
• 1:09:59
  What is...
• 1:10:00
  Is this a web mail? No, it's open source Android
• 1:10:02
  email client. I've been using that for years. It's great.
• 1:10:08
  Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that's good. But Obsidian, that's just
• 1:10:12
  where I have my to-do lists. And so it's functional.
• 1:10:15
  It's not like I'm not, you notice there's no X
• 1:10:19
  or anything like that in the list. Ha ha. No.
• 1:10:22
  I can't. That thing's a train wreck. Yeah. Yeah, there's
• 1:10:29
  so many. I think we just have too much of
• 1:10:33
  this stuff in our life. I mean, even podcasts, honestly.
• 1:10:36
  I mean, I love podcasts, but I have found myself
• 1:10:40
  just becoming less. I just consume less and less of
• 1:10:44
  it. Oh, of course. You can only really listen to
• 1:10:47
  a little bit. each day. You know, I think I
• 1:10:50
  still probably my go-to is pod news weekly review because
• 1:10:54
  it's short. It's like, Oh, that's nice. And, uh, I
• 1:10:57
  might listen to power and I listened to this week
• 1:10:59
  in Bitcoin, but I only get to the boost segment.
• 1:11:02
  Um, Because the walk with the dog isn't long enough.
• 1:11:07
  That's still half an hour. And I find myself annoyed
• 1:11:11
  by ads. Well, this is not true. Uh-huh. Hold on
• 1:11:18
  a second. Let me see if I have this clip
• 1:11:21
  from Tom Webster. Tom Webster. Here we go. This is
• 1:11:25
  unreleased. This is also from the podcast Landscape 2026. We
• 1:11:29
  asked people, how much do they agree with this? Are
• 1:11:32
  ads a fair trade for getting podcasts for free? Well,
• 1:11:36
  nobody disagrees with that, right? 37% strongly agreed with that.
• 1:11:40
  81% agreed in total that ads are a fair trade.
• 1:11:43
  Again, we have not... disrupted the ad bargain. - Okay,
• 1:11:47
  wait, this is a better clip. - In the course
• 1:11:50
  of those 35 published studies, We have interviewed 42,000 consumers.
• 1:11:56
  42,000 consumers. Here are their names, so I can prove
• 1:12:00
  it. This is all of them. Their addresses are in
• 1:12:03
  the appendix. No, we really don't do that. What I
• 1:12:07
  thought would be fun was to take a little bit
• 1:12:09
  of, I'm not going to call it a victory lap
• 1:12:11
  because we are far from done. but sort of a
• 1:12:14
  review of the top 10 findings from all of the
• 1:12:18
  work that we have done that I think are the
• 1:12:19
  most germane to this room. And I'll start with the
• 1:12:21
  first one, which is actually yet to be published, and
• 1:12:24
  that is that podcasts carry the lowest... perceived ad load
• 1:12:28
  of any medium that we test. This is from a
• 1:12:30
  survey of over 5,000 Americans, in fact over 5,400 Americans,
• 1:12:36
  18 plus, And the thing that I love about this
• 1:12:37
  particular slide, at the top you see that the people
• 1:12:40
  who think that podcasts have far too many, yeah, that's
• 1:12:43
  lower than the other media platforms that we tested. But
• 1:12:46
  it's that big gray bar at 51% that says, about
• 1:12:51
  right. So it's about right. It's about right. Well, I
• 1:12:57
  will say Tina and I tried to watch the Emmy
• 1:13:00
  Awards, but was it Monday night? I think I remember
• 1:13:05
  when it was. And oh man, the ads just because
• 1:13:08
  we don't watch broadcast TV hardly except I got the
• 1:13:13
  quad screen going on. It's just ad after ad after
• 1:13:17
  ad after ad. It's like, whoa, it's too much. that's
• 1:13:24
  it's like I see I feel like this that's like
• 1:13:28
  comparing what you're what you're comparing podcasting to is the
• 1:13:34
  most horrible ad-driven media that's ever existed in humankind and
• 1:13:39
  saying, well, it's not that bad. But you see, these
• 1:13:41
  aren't podcast listeners. These are consumers, you see. Okay. We
• 1:13:46
  talk to consumers. They're not actually people. They're consumers. Okay.
• 1:13:53
  Rogan is always talking about fans. It's like, so you're
• 1:13:56
  fans. They support the shows. They're not fans, Joe. They
• 1:14:00
  understand value for value. They support the show. They're producers.
• 1:14:04
  They are actual producers, like producers. They put up money
• 1:14:07
  up front. I listened to the latest Ed Zitron episode
• 1:14:13
  this morning. Oh, must be jacked with ads. It was
• 1:14:17
  a 15-minute podcast with six minutes of ads. No, really?
• 1:14:23
  It was like three minutes and 30 seconds before. That's
• 1:14:29
  12 skips taps. Yeah. It was three. The actual content
• 1:14:34
  didn't start until 3.30. And then it ended at 12
• 1:14:39
  minutes and there was another three and a half minutes
• 1:14:42
  of ads. There was an interesting comment about the skips
• 1:14:46
  and ads and... See if you agree with this. And
• 1:14:48
  my big thing about this is a skip button is
• 1:14:52
  a symptom level response. If your ads suck and the
• 1:14:55
  technology that they're developing is allowing people to skip past
• 1:15:00
  content that other people skip, maybe you should do better.
• 1:15:04
  do better, do better ads, do better ads. Yeah. It's
• 1:15:09
  like, how do you climb, how do you climb, rock
• 1:15:12
  climb better? Just don't fall. Fall, fall less. It'd be
• 1:15:16
  better. Yeah. Stop falling. Content. This, of course, this... I
• 1:15:24
  mean, like I said, this would be like, well... You
• 1:15:29
  know, Aston Martin is the greatest car that's ever, you
• 1:15:34
  know, the most reliable car, you know, in Europe. Well,
• 1:15:38
  yeah, well, compared to everything else, of course. Yeah. But
• 1:15:41
  it's like, you know, but we're not, you know, we're
• 1:15:44
  not comparing them to, you know, that's not a fair
• 1:15:47
  comparison is what I'm saying. This is just because broadcast
• 1:15:51
  radio and television has a 70% ad load doesn't mean
• 1:15:57
  that podcasting is great because it's only 50%. Mm-hmm. And
• 1:16:02
  just, it's just not like, and of course this is
• 1:16:05
  a lot of this is coming from I heart. Right.
• 1:16:09
  And those podcasts are just unlistenable almost. And but then
• 1:16:14
  I love the tagline guaranteed human. And then it's like
• 1:16:18
  a voice over the ads. Every every one of them
• 1:16:20
  is an AI voice now. Have you heard this, the
• 1:16:26
  guaranteed human tagline? No. That's iHeart's catchphrase now. Oh, really?
• 1:16:32
  Yeah. iHeart Podcast, guaranteed human. Oh, goodness gracious. Yeah. And
• 1:16:36
  then the next ad you hear is an AI voice.
• 1:16:40
  Okay. Yeah. Oh, well. We're still pretty human. And people
• 1:16:47
  will always love humans. I'm not too worried about that.
• 1:16:51
  I've been spoiled, I think, in retrospect, because... Thank you.
• 1:16:57
  My experience with podcasts... really since the beginning has almost
• 1:17:02
  entirely been donation supported shows. And I think I've just
• 1:17:09
  really been spoiled. I've never, the shows I listened to
• 1:17:13
  have never really had any ads until in the last,
• 1:17:18
  you know, A couple of years, I've started listening to
• 1:17:20
  some shows that had advertising in them. And that's, it's
• 1:17:24
  just like, it's hard to listen to. Because I mean,
• 1:17:30
  like historically I listened to, um, I mean, I still,
• 1:17:36
  I listen to a lot of shows about like, like,
• 1:17:37
  uh, Lord of the, like the Lord of spirits, no
• 1:17:41
  ads, no agenda, no ads. Um, the daily, uh, the,
• 1:17:47
  the daily tech report, uh, or cybersecurity report, no ads.
• 1:17:51
  I mean, like, And as soon as I had a
• 1:17:54
  show that had, well, the Twitch shows had ads, but
• 1:17:57
  as soon as they let me opt out, I opted
• 1:17:59
  out of them. Right. I don't know. It's just, I
• 1:18:01
  just don't think the ad load, and historically the ad
• 1:18:04
  load in podcasts has always been pretty low. It's only
• 1:18:07
  really in the last probably three to five years that
• 1:18:10
  it's ramped up to the… level that it has now,
• 1:18:13
  which is off the chain. Yeah. This low-level frustration. There
• 1:18:19
  it is. There it is. It's back. Well, I'm sorry.
• 1:18:22
  I mean, I always felt that low-level frustration entered my
• 1:18:25
  life when I had kids. For you, it's technology. I
• 1:18:28
  don't know. Well, it's the kids, too. Kids aren't that
• 1:18:32
  great. Let's be honest. Kids aren't that great. Yeah. My
• 1:18:36
  son, so he calls me. He's currently in fire college
• 1:18:40
  in North Alabama. Yeah. He calls me. Yeah. night before
• 1:18:46
  last and he's like, hey, it's at 9.30. I was
• 1:18:50
  like, okay. So he's been up there for, this is
• 1:18:52
  week three of Fire College. He's been, he's like, hey.
• 1:18:57
  Wait, can you Venmo me some money. No, no, no,
• 1:19:02
  no, no. No, he said, hey, you're probably going to
• 1:19:04
  get a hospital bill. What? I was like, what? What
• 1:19:07
  happened? And he was like, well... I, uh, like didn't
• 1:19:13
  drink enough water. It's 95, 97 degrees here in Alabama.
• 1:19:18
  Uh, during, during his whole thing, I didn't drink enough
• 1:19:23
  water and I got really dehydrated and I passed out
• 1:19:26
  on the doing, doing my, doing the fire test. Do
• 1:19:29
  you know what a consumption drill is? No. Okay. So
• 1:19:34
  consumption drill in fire college is where they, you put
• 1:19:38
  on your, your SCBA, your breathing apparatus. Yes. Self-contained breathing
• 1:19:45
  apparatus. And they give you a certain amount of oxygen
• 1:19:47
  in your bottle. Right. And you have to complete the
• 1:19:50
  obstacle course. Right. and not run out of oxygen. So
• 1:19:55
  you got to regulate your breathing and still run fast.
• 1:19:57
  Exactly. You have to do everything as fast as you
• 1:20:00
  can.
• 1:20:00
  as possible but not too fast that you run out
• 1:20:03
  of oxygen wow and people the first time people do
• 1:20:05
  this are passing out left and right this is school
• 1:20:09
  that's interesting i like this school school of hard knocks
• 1:20:13
  and so he so he's been practicing for days now
• 1:20:16
  and get and he's he's got he's like a hat
• 1:20:18
  he's got it dialed in he's he's like running the
• 1:20:21
  course perfectly. And then, uh, It was like 97 here
• 1:20:27
  on Tuesday. Oh, yeah. And he just didn't drink enough.
• 1:20:31
  He's like drank like half a bottle of water the
• 1:20:33
  whole day. And he said, he said, the fire captain
• 1:20:37
  said that he was like, that he, he like flipped
• 1:20:41
  over a tire a bunch of times and then goes
• 1:20:43
  and starts rolling up a fire hose. Yeah. And he
• 1:20:45
  just stops and he's on his knees and he's just
• 1:20:47
  kind of sits there. And the captain was like, Grant.
• 1:20:53
  And he didn't say anything. He was like, Grant, are
• 1:20:56
  you going to quit? And Grant said, never. He yelled,
• 1:21:00
  never. And then, like, took two steps and just fell
• 1:21:03
  and just completely, like, cold as a wedge on the
• 1:21:05
  ground. Oh, goodness gracious. And so then he wakes up
• 1:21:08
  in the hospital. And they gave him, like, three bags
• 1:21:11
  of fluid. Oh, man. Of IV. Oh, that's going to
• 1:21:14
  be $800. $800. Oh, yeah, at least. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:21:18
  And I'm like, man, at least he was surrounded by
• 1:21:21
  EMTs. Right. It's just like, you know, coming out of
• 1:21:23
  the woods. So, yeah, it's not just technology. It's also
• 1:21:28
  kids. They try to kill you. They try to kill
• 1:21:30
  themselves. Yeah, they're just not that great. I mean, let's
• 1:21:32
  just be honest about it. Everyone says you'll grow a
• 1:21:35
  heart outside of your body. Yeah, sure. It's not great.
• 1:21:39
  Yeah. They want to, yeah, you just hope that at
• 1:21:44
  some point, They don't die and they don't kill you.
• 1:21:49
  Yes. And exactly. So you need to move your chocolate.
• 1:21:55
  I don't understand what this thing is doing. I hear
• 1:21:59
  it. It only lasts for a second. No, it's lasting.
• 1:22:03
  No, still there. No, that's not it. It's always a
• 1:22:06
  USB cable for some reason. Maybe it's the spark. Oh,
• 1:22:10
  you know what it is? What is it? The XLR
• 1:22:15
  cable. Yeah. And it's near a USB cable. it's near
• 1:22:21
  lots of cables. There is a Choco Love on top
• 1:22:25
  of it, but I don't think it's the Choco Love.
• 1:22:27
  It's always the Choco Love. Speaking of Choco Love, we
• 1:22:31
  love a lot of Choco Love from people who love
• 1:22:33
  the podcast index. Excuse me. Which is everybody. Everybody loves
• 1:22:38
  it. I mean, we are number two usually number two,
• 1:22:43
  number three behind who behind Apple and YouTube. For some
• 1:22:47
  reason, YouTube is great now. I don't know, but I
• 1:22:49
  don't understand it. Sure. Yeah. As an index. Well, good
• 1:22:53
  luck with that. So we ask you to support the
• 1:22:57
  index and it supports just the machinery. Then we'll keep
• 1:23:01
  it running for a long time. Adam and Dave buy
• 1:23:03
  their own Choco Loves. So it just supports the machinery.
• 1:23:07
  You can go to podcastindex.org. Down at the bottom, there's
• 1:23:10
  a big red button. You hit that donate button. You
• 1:23:13
  can go to our PayPal and you can support us
• 1:23:15
  that way. Um... You can also, if you're in a
• 1:23:19
  modern podcast app, hit the donation button. What does it
• 1:23:24
  show up as a... What does it show up as?
• 1:23:28
  uh paypal i think no i know but i mean
• 1:23:31
  um let me see podcasting because you can change the
• 1:23:35
  i wonder if it says support the show or what
• 1:23:38
  because you can change the value of that podcasting 2.0
• 1:23:42
  here we go let me see what it says value
• 1:23:44
  for value is what it says oh that's kind of
• 1:23:47
  cool So you hit the value for value on your
• 1:23:49
  modern podcast app. Boom! There you go. You're right there
• 1:23:54
  at the PayPal. Bam. It's beautiful. It's fantastic. You got
• 1:23:57
  to log in, I see. Okay. So let me see.
• 1:24:00
  I think we got some boosts coming in during the
• 1:24:02
  show, which is another way you can support us with
• 1:24:04
  your boostograms. 12-71 from Salty Crayon. Show number boost. In
• 1:24:11
  the pipe. That's right. 2-71. Eric PP with 3333. 777
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  from Lyceum. I didn't hear the harp music. I wonder
• 1:24:20
  what happened there, Lyceum. Then another boost from Lyceum, that's
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  Martin Lindus Kug, 1776, all coming in through True Friends.
• 1:24:27
  Here's a short and sweet episode of Power with birthday
• 1:24:30
  greetings for Sam Sethi from Podcast Movement New York. Oh,
• 1:24:32
  yeah. Happy birthday, Sam. Happy birthday, Sam. Yeah. One minute
• 1:24:35
  and 39 seconds. Well, it counts as a show. Rove
• 1:24:42
  Sticks from Lyceum. Oh, he's busy today. I like the
• 1:24:45
  pen and paper reference. We have a podcast, which is
• 1:24:48
  archived, called Penner Möter Papar, which is pen meets paper
• 1:24:54
  in Swedish. Penner Möter Papar. I'm going to just use
• 1:24:57
  that wherever I go. Johan Gustafsson. Johan Gudmundsen, and yours
• 1:25:03
  truly, Martin Lindeskog. Go take a look at it. Penner,
• 1:25:06
  murder, papa! Sounds like a winner. And with that, I
• 1:25:09
  hit the delimiter, Dave, so you're up. What's a foot
• 1:25:13
  terminal? A foot terminal? Uh-huh. Why do you ask? Because
• 1:25:19
  that's what the Pi thing is telling me. It says,
• 1:25:22
  here's your nine windows across five workspaces. Workspace one, foot
• 1:25:29
  terminal, chromium, foot Pi sandbox. And then it says workspace
• 1:25:36
  two signal and foot terminal foot terminal. Uh, workspace three
• 1:25:41
  is Romina. That's correct. Workspace four is a foot terminal
• 1:25:44
  and workspace five is a foot terminal. What is a
• 1:25:46
  foot terminal book of knowledge? What is a foot terminal?
• 1:25:50
  Um, Might as well ask the Book of Knowledge. I
• 1:25:52
  mean, that's what it's there for. It's going to make
• 1:25:54
  up some... According to the Book of Knowledge, a foot
• 1:25:56
  terminal is a specialized railway or transit station located at
• 1:26:01
  the end of a line, particularly at the waterfront or
• 1:26:04
  shore, where passengers transfer between land-based transport and ferries or
• 1:26:09
  other water vessels. Thus, it has been written. Yeah, clearly
• 1:26:15
  I have five of those on my desktop. Foot Terminal.
• 1:26:18
  I think Foot Terminal has to be the title of
• 1:26:20
  the show. foot foot terminal there's i've got at least
• 1:26:25
  one foot terminal in every workspace well i'm happy to
• 1:26:28
  hear that that's good it's good for you it might
• 1:26:30
  get rid of that low level irritation I need, there's
• 1:26:34
  not enough of them in my life is the problem.
• 1:26:37
  Okay. Well, here we go. I'm going to go to
• 1:26:39
  command, excuse me, super three. All right. Here we go.
• 1:26:43
  Super three. Scott old gave us $30 through PayPal. Oh,
• 1:26:47
  you have, you have your work, your workspace all set
• 1:26:50
  up with the boost and everything. Nice. Oh, I'm a
• 1:26:53
  pro now. Workspaces is cool, man. I'm telling you. It's
• 1:26:59
  the way to go. It's the way of the future.
• 1:27:01
  All the kids are doing it. I've never used workspaces
• 1:27:04
  in Linux. Xwindows, x.org, I've had workspaces since the dawn
• 1:27:10
  of time, and I've never used them until the tiling
• 1:27:13
  window manager. Now it feels natural. Yes, it is. And
• 1:27:16
  HFF is going to send you some chocko love. With
• 1:27:20
  a foot terminal. Yeah. Thank you for relighting my passion
• 1:27:25
  for podcasting, says Scott Auld. All right, Scott. He says,
• 1:27:28
  I was podcasting my pastor's sermons in 2007. He says,
• 1:27:32
  Adam was spreading the word long before he was a
• 1:27:34
  believer. That's right. I took a three-year break, but you
• 1:27:37
  two have fired me up for distributed free speech again.
• 1:27:41
  Scott Aul, Winning the Week podcast. Very nice. I get
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  booths whenever there's a booth nearby. Yeah. We all do.
• 1:27:49
  Timothy Voice, $10. Thank you, Timothy. Todd Cochran, RIP, $30.
• 1:27:55
  Todd got all kinds of... memorial salute during podcast week
• 1:28:02
  in New York. Oh, good. He deserves it. Michael Hall,
• 1:28:07
  $5.50. Gene Liverman, $5.00. Jeremy Gertz, $5.00. Jeff Seabold, $11.00.
• 1:28:17
  Derek J. Visker, Best name in podcasting, $21. Paul Saltzman,
• 1:28:21
  $22.22. Who's this? Silicon Florist, $10. And Christopher Cowan, $5.
• 1:28:29
  That's our PayPal. And you know what? These numbers, they
• 1:28:32
  matter. Thank you so much. This keeps machines running, crawlers,
• 1:28:35
  all kinds of stuff. It's highly appreciated. Uh, we got
• 1:28:40
  some booster grams. Let's got, oh, Dreb's got 716 sets.
• 1:28:44
  He says serpentine belt. Almost done. If I can get
• 1:28:48
  the belt and the tensioner to cooperate. Oh, this is,
• 1:28:51
  this is a car, a truck talk thing. Yeah. Do
• 1:28:54
  Dreb, do you have a welder? If you do not.
• 1:29:00
  Uh, Go to Harbor Freight and buy one for like
• 1:29:03
  $100. And then you can build or you can weld
• 1:29:08
  up any serpentine belt tensioner tool you need. And you
• 1:29:14
  will be set for life. the welder and the material
• 1:29:19
  to make it will cost you less than a buying
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  a, or about the same as buying a serpentine belt
• 1:29:26
  tool from the store. Let's see. Magnolia Mayhem, 1526 sats.
• 1:29:33
  Cool news about VLC. Oh, yes, that is kind of
• 1:29:36
  cool. Have we heard back from those guys? Nope. Okay.
• 1:29:40
  I feel like I'm going back to the days of
• 1:29:41
  2013 where I downloaded MP3s of podcasts and listened to
• 1:29:45
  them through VLC. Also, just had to replace the serpentine
• 1:29:48
  belt in my car, in my mail car. Good to
• 1:29:51
  know I'm not alone. Mail car, nice. Yep. Hashtag car
• 1:29:55
  talk. Mm-hmm. I'm always up for car talk.
• 1:30:00
  You see 5,018 sets from user 9041 blah, blah, blah,
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  blah, blah through fountain. Appreciate it. No note. And a
• 1:30:10
  delimiter, common street blogger. There he is. 11,111 sats. He
• 1:30:17
  says, how did Dave and Adam? Today, I recommend not
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  a podcast, but Adam's friend. Please go to X or
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  Twitter and follow at Dana Brunetti. Dana has a woman-like
• 1:30:31
  first name, but is not a woman. He's active on
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  X. He followed me, CSB, first on X, so buy
• 1:30:39
  this Bitcoin gram and... I'm saying thank you to him.
• 1:30:42
  He's in movie industry or something. Yo, CSB still stonewalled
• 1:30:47
  by Adam Curry. This gram was $15.61 when sent. I'm
• 1:30:55
  going to have to do this. Stonewaller. I'm a stonewaller.
• 1:31:01
  It's not because I don't love him. It's just I'm
• 1:31:03
  a busy guy. There's a lot going on. My podcast
• 1:31:06
  host died. There's just stuff happening in my life. I
• 1:31:09
  got a granddaughter. I've been traveling. I got low-level anger
• 1:31:12
  management issues. I'm glad it's not just me. It's not
• 1:31:18
  just you, Dave. Dave. All right, brother. Have a great
• 1:31:21
  weekend. Hope you don't get any calls from the kids.
• 1:31:25
  Me too. All right, everybody. Thank you, Boardroom. See you
• 1:31:27
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