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The Favorites - Great Moments In Gambling's History · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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  Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. I'm live
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  Speaker 1: from my Tommy John Holmes Studio, and I'm joined as
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  Speaker 1: always by my co host, my companion, Mike Compaedra, my
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  Speaker 1: BFF professional better Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: Our first show of the off season.
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  Speaker 1: First show of the off season. But you know what,
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  Speaker 1: it's a special episode. I know you love gambling stories.
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  Speaker 1: You know I love gambling stories. It's how I got
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  Speaker 1: into this was just hearing good stories about people who gamble,
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  Speaker 1: people who take risk, the language of betting, all of that,
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  Speaker 1: the romance of it all is fascinating to me. So
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  Speaker 1: today we're going to be joined by producer Matt Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: who we love to have on the show. He's always
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  Speaker 1: he's a high quality ad as they say, he's also
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  Speaker 1: excited for this one. He's taken us through a list
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  Speaker 1: of great moments, a historical gambling history, a collection of
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  Speaker 1: very special stories that he's curated just for you, for me,
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  Speaker 1: our audience, who he believes are also going to love
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  Speaker 1: these old school gambling stories. Matt I feel like you've
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  Speaker 1: been dreaming about this. This is tailor made for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very excited to present two special great moments
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  Speaker 3: in American gambling history to you guys and to our audience.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a very unusual episode. Typically we take
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  Speaker 3: some time off after the season, but I want to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that we continue to deliver episodes. If you're
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  Speaker 3: on a treadmill, or you're commuting to work, you're in
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  Speaker 3: the subway, or you're holding hands with your mom, bouncing
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  Speaker 3: out a trampoline, whatever it is that you do when
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  Speaker 3: you listen to the show every week, you still have
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  Speaker 3: something to join you in the timeless of evocative medium
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  Speaker 3: of audio.
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  Speaker 1: Chad, this is going to be the Matt Mitchell episode,
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like this is a a combination of
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  Speaker 1: how I built this and Drunk History. Remember the show
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  Speaker 1: Drunk History.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is very similar to that except so yes,
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  Speaker 3: I love that show.
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  Speaker 1: Was when I favorites. We actually did this when we
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  Speaker 1: first started Action. I remember I wanted to do shows
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  Speaker 1: that were like Drunk History for gambling. Do you remember this, Matt,
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  Speaker 1: and we did? I like, you know, Terry Glenn catching
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  Speaker 1: that pass from Doug from Drew Bledsoe to beat the
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and we did drunk History, bad Beats, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it was super fun, really really fun. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to do this today and I'm glad you had
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  Speaker 1: this idea. I always like getting Matt Mitchell. The more
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  Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell on the show, the better. As a reminder
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned this on Tuesday. We're having another live event.
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  Speaker 1: Joe's on Weed in Chicago, my hometown. We did Sigmon's
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  Speaker 1: hometown in December and Philly. We're doing Chicago in March.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, I am unbelievably excited about this live event. I
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  Speaker 3: was hoping we could do it in Chicago. We were
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  Speaker 3: able to convince them of that. I was hoping we
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  Speaker 3: do it at Joe's Joe's barr on Weed Street commonly
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  Speaker 3: and affectionately known as Joe's Onweed. We got that. I
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  Speaker 3: was hoping it would be from March twenty ninth, the
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  Speaker 3: evening of the Elite eight. We got that. I think
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  Speaker 3: we'll have an absolute blast. RSVP site is not quite ready,
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  Speaker 3: twenty ninth, and.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to have some special college basketball guests.
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  Speaker 3: Right absolutely, we will almost certainly be joined by by
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  Speaker 3: Stuckey and some others from the Action universe. It'll be
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  Speaker 3: a great time. Whether or not you care about the
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  Speaker 1: Save the date March twenty ninth. Matt, you're basically doing
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  Speaker 1: your life's goal here, which is co opting the show completely.
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  Speaker 1: So I will do my best hosting here and just
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  Speaker 1: past the baton to you, can you please tell us
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  Speaker 1: what happened to Captain Patten and Mary Anne Patton?
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  Speaker 3: All right, So this first story is the story of
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  Speaker 3: an American clipper ship called Neptune's Car in the year
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  Speaker 3: eighteen fifty three.
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  Speaker 1: Boy, every listener is so excited they definitely did not
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  Speaker 1: fast forward till we get to the ad reads.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Chad, your excitement is palpable. One of the
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  Speaker 3: hardest parts about doing stories like this is for the listener,
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  Speaker 3: what are you supposed to be picturing? So I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do you a favor here. I'm going to kind
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  Speaker 3: of instruct you on what you should be visualizing, okay,
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  Speaker 3: because this is a long time ago, all right, So
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  Speaker 3: for listeners at home, for Neptune's Car, you just picture
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  Speaker 3: a big ass wooden sailing ship. It's a beautiful, bold
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  Speaker 3: ship with sales in the whole thing. When you picture
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  Speaker 3: who owns the ship, the financiers kind of behind the ship,
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  Speaker 3: I want you to just picture the owners and operators
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  Speaker 3: of the Cleveland Browns. Okay, we'll use the Browns as
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  Speaker 3: our extended metaphor. I thought for sure you were gonna
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  Speaker 3: say me, no, no, it's you'll see why at the end.
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  Speaker 3: It's basically the Cleveland Browns go to see all right.
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  Speaker 3: So this ship, Neptune's Car, takes her maiden voyage from
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  Speaker 3: New York City in eighteen fifty three, and it's a
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  Speaker 3: total disaster. The captain worked the crew so hard that
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  Speaker 3: there's a mutiny and he threatened to kill all of them.
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  Speaker 3: And by the time they get back to New York,
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  Speaker 3: everything's a total mess, Cleveland Brown style. So for the
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  Speaker 3: next voyage, these eighteen fifties Browns, they need a new captain.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So on about twelve hours notice, they land on a
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  Speaker 3: guy named Captain Joshua Patten, and Captain Patten had just
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  Speaker 3: married his wife, Mary Anne, who was just shy of
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  Speaker 3: her sixteenth birthday, as was the style at the time.
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  Speaker 3: So we've got Captain Patten and we got his teen bride,
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  Speaker 3: Mary Anne, for this first trip on the on Neptune's car.
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  Speaker 3: Mary Ann insists on joining her husband, Captain Patten, which
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  Speaker 3: was extremely unusual, but her father was a sea captain.
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  Speaker 3: She loved to see her husband's like sounds great, why not?
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  Speaker 3: So they set sail around the world.
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  Speaker 1: What could go wrong?
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  Speaker 3: Yep?
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  Speaker 1: With my sixteen year old bride on a round the
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  Speaker 1: world voyage and a seafolo crewman.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna go great, and indeed it does. The entire voyage.
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  Speaker 3: Mary Anne, who again is not an official member of
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  Speaker 3: the Browns for the purposes of this metaphor, she's teaching
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  Speaker 3: herself navigation, She's showing herself how to use charts, she's
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  Speaker 3: learning medicine. She's just being a real kind of young
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  Speaker 3: go getter here. And they go from New York around
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of South America. I remember there's no Panama
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  Speaker 3: Canal yet, that's like seventy five years away, so you
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  Speaker 3: got to go the long way around South America. They
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  Speaker 3: go to San Francisco, they go to China, then they
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  Speaker 3: go to London, they go back to New York, game
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  Speaker 3: balls all around. Huge success. Wow, incredible job, Captain Patten.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe this chip isn't cursed after all. Here is where
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  Speaker 3: the gambling comes in. When it's time for the next
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  Speaker 3: trip from New York to San Francisco the Cleveland Brown's ownership. Here,
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  Speaker 3: they discover that there are three other ships making this
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  Speaker 3: journey at about the same time. So in addition to
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  Speaker 3: all the money they have tied up in this operation,
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  Speaker 3: they make a very large wager with those other boats
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  Speaker 3: to see who's going to get to San Francisco first.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously a proud and time honored tradition of rich pres
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  Speaker 3: betting against other rich pres based on people they employ.
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  Speaker 3: You know all about this chip. So normally the departure
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  Speaker 3: date for a trip like this would have a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of flexibility. But because there's now a big ass
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  Speaker 3: bet on who gets there first, the Browns here they
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  Speaker 3: need Neptune's car to get the hell out of here
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  Speaker 3: right away. But as Captain Patten is preparing the ship
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  Speaker 3: you know, for voyage number two here, he runs into
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  Speaker 3: three problems. So problem number one, first mate breaks his leg,
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  Speaker 3: So you got to replace the first mate.
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  Speaker 1: How don't break his leg.
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  Speaker 3: Do we know I'm getting to the ship ready, ship
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  Speaker 3: stuff chat. I'm a man of the land.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a see I just want you to know
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have questions.
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  Speaker 3: That's great. I'm happy to answer all of your questions,
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  Speaker 3: just like in real life, as patiently and as calmly
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  Speaker 3: as I answer the questions of my own children. So
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  Speaker 3: you need a new first mate. And sometimes if it's
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  Speaker 3: a close call, you can just elevate the second mate,
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  Speaker 3: like when Cleveland started Bailey Zappy instead of Dorian Thompson Robinson,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like, who fucking cares. But as it turns out,
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  Speaker 3: it is crucial that a first mate be able to
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  Speaker 3: read stuff, and the second mate in this case, he
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  Speaker 3: couldn't read for shit. So it was more like when
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Allen was backing up Josh Allen, like it's totally
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  Speaker 3: different classes here, so it won't work. But the Browns say, hey,
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  Speaker 3: no problem, and they go out and they just grabbed
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  Speaker 3: the first literate sailor. They can find a guy named
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  Speaker 3: William Keeler and they say, hey, capt'n Patten, we found
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  Speaker 3: your first mate. He can read and everything. So as
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  Speaker 3: far as they were concerned, problem number one is now solved.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of betting on employees, we had a bet on
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  Speaker 1: who would be the first person to ultimately take down
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  Speaker 1: this show. I put my money on you. Simon put
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  Speaker 1: it on Gifford, and I feel like Simon and about you,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm gonna win this bet. You
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  Speaker 1: want to weigh in on that.
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  Speaker 2: I would have bet on that as well. I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe you said I bet on Gifford. No, it's Guy Mitchell.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen this made social media presence? Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Every time he tweets, I'm like, oh my god, is
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  Speaker 2: this the one?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Matt? Keep going all right?
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  Speaker 3: So they grabbed this litterate sailor. They find a replacement
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  Speaker 3: for the first mate, but Captain Pattin's he's feeling pretty sick.
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  Speaker 3: He should probably rest for a day or two. And
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  Speaker 3: his third problem is Mary Anne Wie, who's down nineteen.
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  Speaker 3: She's pregnant, So we got an emergency fill in first mate.
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  Speaker 3: Captain Patten's not feeling so great. His wife, she's pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: Not to interrupt you again, this has the classic makings
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  Speaker 1: of how to handicap right. Everyone would have thought, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, they did so well, on the first one,
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  Speaker 1: they're amazing. We got to bet on them. In this
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  Speaker 1: second one, no one's accounting for aggression. But also you
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  Speaker 1: really got to be inside Neptune's car to understand the center.
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  Speaker 1: You got to go to a backup center because the
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  Speaker 1: first center is struggling and he's injured. So now you're
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  Speaker 1: bringing them a backup and people are like, oh, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter the first mate. It's not the most
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  Speaker 1: important person. But it turns out first mate, like a center,
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  Speaker 1: incredibly important. Right, So now you're at the third string center,
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  Speaker 1: and that's terrible for the cohesiveness of the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't know that your quarterback is sick, like
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  Speaker 1: that's not something that shows up on the injury report
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  Speaker 1: for these teams and these boats. So now all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, we got a lot of circumstances that you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're handicapping, this is starting to look pretty bad
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  Speaker 1: for Nipson's car. Which start as a favorite.
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  Speaker 3: Two classic issues that we run into all the time
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  Speaker 3: are about to rear their ugly heads, jed volatility and
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  Speaker 3: cluster injuries. So here we go. All right, so we
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  Speaker 3: got these three problems, but the Browns as usual, have
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  Speaker 3: the perfect solution. They say, rub some fucking dirt on
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  Speaker 3: it. It's time for kickoff, and these sons of bitches set
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  Speaker 3: sail for San Francisco on time, and again no Panama Canal.
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  Speaker 3: So it's thirty thousand nautical miles away around the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of the earth, packed to San Francisco. And immediately this
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  Speaker 3: trip is a total fucking nightmare because one of the
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  Speaker 3: first jobs of a first mate, in this case, this
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  Speaker 3: villain William Keeler, you have to navigate when the captain
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  Speaker 3: goes to sleep. But every time he takes over, he
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  Speaker 3: keeps fucking it up and he puts them off course,
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  Speaker 3: and he's finally so insubordinate that Captain Patton just goes,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, and he just chains them up in
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  Speaker 3: his room. He goes, you are totally I'm just going
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  Speaker 3: to lock you away, and the second mate and third
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  Speaker 3: mate are totally hapless. They end up they can't really
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  Speaker 3: do anything. It's truly a Cleveland Brown's quarterback room situation.
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  Speaker 3: It's a Boston two losers. So now Captain Patten's like, great, great,
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  Speaker 3: I guess I can't go to sleep. He just stays
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  Speaker 3: up NonStop, using his wife to help navigate, and it's
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  Speaker 3: freezing cold, and they make it to the tip right
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  Speaker 3: by Antarctica, and he's been awake for eight days straight
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  Speaker 3: now and he just collapses. He's on a commission. The
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  Speaker 3: Browns are so inept they essentially almost kill their coach.
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  Speaker 3: Captain Patton has caught pneumonia, but as I mentioned, he
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  Speaker 3: was already feeling pretty sick before they left, and that's
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  Speaker 3: because he has tuberculosis meningitis, which has now left him
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  Speaker 3: totally deaf and blind. He is totally cooked. So now
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  Speaker 3: Mary Patton, the pregnant nineteen year old wife, she takes
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  Speaker 3: control of the ship and the navigation, and she has
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  Speaker 3: to take care of her essentially Comato's husband. And there
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  Speaker 3: are icebergs and storms at all sorts of shit because
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  Speaker 3: they're by again Antarctica, and they're only halfway there. They
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  Speaker 3: couldn't be further away from both their homeport and their destination.
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  Speaker 3: And there's still a ton of pressure on them because
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  Speaker 3: there's a huge bet they have to win to beat
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  Speaker 3: these three other ships. Because they were making great time chrise,
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  Speaker 3: their captain wasn't sleeping. So they get around the horn
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  Speaker 3: and they start heading north and immediately the first mate,
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  Speaker 3: this guy William Keeler. He's locked up in his room.
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  Speaker 3: He hears that the captain is totally cooked, so he
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  Speaker 3: tries to stage a mutiny to get unlocked and take over.
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  Speaker 3: But the crew's like, you know what, this lady Maryanne's
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  Speaker 3: doing a good job. She can read stuff. She's not
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  Speaker 3: trying to cause a mutiny. I think it's gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 3: So she thinks, great, I've won the starting job. It's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be okay. And then out of nowhere, Captain Patten
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  Speaker 3: wakes up out of his coma right, he's got his
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  Speaker 3: site back, but it still seems like he's totally scrambled
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  Speaker 3: eggs because he benches her and orders Keeler unchained and
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  Speaker 3: he can take over. And Keeller immediately tells Mary Anne, Hey, great,
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  Speaker 3: now you can go play nurse. I'm gonna take over
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  Speaker 3: within two days. She's looking out the window and she's
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  Speaker 3: convinced we're definitely going off course. He wouldn't let her,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have access to any of any of the
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  Speaker 3: navigation stuff. And again, I'm a man of the land.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know like how one can make one's own compass,
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  Speaker 3: but she does. She figures it out and she proves
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  Speaker 3: it to the scrambled eggs. Captain Hey, we're headed in
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  Speaker 3: the wrong direction and it works. He commands her back
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  Speaker 3: in charge. Marian gets the starting job back in place,
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  Speaker 3: Keeler gets locked up again, and then Captain Patten slips
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  Speaker 3: back into a coma. He's deaf and blind. We won't
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  Speaker 3: hear from him again. But here's the best part. Are
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  Speaker 3: you ready? As it turns out, mutiny Boy William Keeler
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  Speaker 3: the last minute replacement. He wasn't simply an incompetent asshole
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  Speaker 3: Chad and Simon. He was throwing the fight he'd bet
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  Speaker 3: he'd bet on the other ship. He was intentionally fucking
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  Speaker 3: with Neptune's car, his own vessel because he was point
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  Speaker 3: shaving on the high seas.
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  Speaker 1: That is crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So now Marianne is incredibly pissed, just like my wife
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  Speaker 3: was the entire time. She was six months pregnant and
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  Speaker 3: they just start hauling ass north. She's totally exhausted. She
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  Speaker 3: ends up wearing the same clothes for two months straight.
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  Speaker 3: And when she finally steers them into San Francisco Bay,
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  Speaker 3: mutiny Boy William Keeler gets a crew man to unchain
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  Speaker 3: him and he slips out and he jumps overboard and
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  Speaker 3: swims away, never to be heard from again. And in
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  Speaker 3: the most Cleveland Browns ending of this entire thing, when
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  Speaker 3: they finally arrive in port after surviving these unimaginable hardships,
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  Speaker 3: the terrible weather, the brutal conditions, the blind deaf captain,
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  Speaker 3: the nautical point shaving, they get off the ship and
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  Speaker 3: they go, hey, hey, do we win? Do we beat
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  Speaker 3: the other four ships? They finished second Chad, their owners
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  Speaker 3: lose their bat on a truly terrible beat, and lucky
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  Speaker 3: for them, lucky for the Browns, they get to refuse
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  Speaker 3: to pay Captain Patten the five thousand dollars they hel
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  Speaker 3: him because he was basically dead half the time, and
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  Speaker 3: they don't have to pay Mary Patten anything because she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't even work for him. So, like I said, the
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  Speaker 3: perfect ending for a Cleveland Browns allegory. And that is
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  Speaker 3: the story of Neptune's car Maryann Patten, the first woman
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  Speaker 3: to command an American ship, and the hero of an
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  Speaker 3: epic historical bad beat.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe that. It's a beautiful story and excellent
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  Speaker 1: work researching it. I know it was a labor of
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  Speaker 1: love for you. I'm just so disappointed that there were
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: nefarious deeds taking place with related to gambling in the
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: nineteenth century. Yeah, when it came to ship captaining, those
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  Speaker 1: people all seemed pretty much and I say this pun
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  Speaker 3: Wow did you when did you think of that? Right
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  Speaker 3: after I said nefarious? Incredible, well done to put a
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  Speaker 3: bow on this. What happens to them? Afterwards? Marianne and
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  Speaker 3: Captain Patten returned to Boston finally put him in an asylum.
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  Speaker 3: He dies shortly thereafter. She gives birth successfully, and then
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  Speaker 3: she also gets sick and dies four years later at
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  Speaker 3: the age of twenty four. And now the hospital at
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  Speaker 3: named after her. And that's the end of that.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, how did you find this story?
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  Speaker 3: Ched? I was able to do exhaustive research. I've always
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  Speaker 3: got my ears to the gambling streets. Those ears stretch
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  Speaker 3: back hundreds of years.
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  Speaker 1: Ched.
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  Speaker 3: But one of the best sources for many gambling stories,
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  Speaker 3: someone is that is literate, like a good first mate,
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  Speaker 3: and likes gambling, it's a great book.
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  Speaker 1: I highly recommend that Matt. I know David Schwartz. I
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: know Roll the Bones because I've interviewed David Schwartz many,
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  Speaker 1: many times. He's a sort of gambling historian and professor
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  Speaker 1: at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I've read the book. Check at Chad. I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: Yes, this is the story of Andrew Jackson, a breathed
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  Speaker 3: glimpse into one of America's most maniac gambling presidents. So
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  Speaker 3: keep that in mind, all right. So, in the early
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  Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, America was rapidly banding westward, and it was
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  Speaker 3: a time of a great excitement on the American frontier
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  Speaker 3: because I can't overstate how unbelievably boring life on the
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  Speaker 3: frontier really was. I can totally see why if you're,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you know, just trying to chop a tree down or whatever,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: you know, skin a beaver, playing cards would be just
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: about the most exciting thing in the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like anybody listening to this podcast has a
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  Speaker 1: very clear idea of what that journey was like.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone here is can really picture that. So politicians of
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: that era, especially frontier politicians, they loved to gamble. Many
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: of them were incredibly skilled players, for example Henry Clay
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: of Kentucky, Daniel Webster of Massachusetts. These guys were real
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  Speaker 3: card sharks. But this story is going to focus on
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: their great political adversary in one of America's all time
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  Speaker 3: sons of bitches, Old Hickory himself, Andrew Jackson of Tennessee.
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  Speaker 3: Jackson loved the Ponies because he was an incredibly skillful writer.
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  Speaker 3: And why was he skillful? Well, he was born in
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  Speaker 3: seventeen sixty seven to Scott's Irish parents. And if you
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  Speaker 3: know anything about the Scots or the Irish, you know
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  Speaker 3: they hate the English, isn't that right? Simon facts When
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  Speaker 3: young Andrew Jackson was a kid with a burning hatred
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  Speaker 3: for the English he'd received from his parents. He served
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  Speaker 3: as a messenger for the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War,
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  Speaker 3: and he was dope at it because it required a
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  Speaker 3: lot of bravery, but the kind of bravery where you
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  Speaker 3: don't consider kind of personal consequences, exactly like being a gambler.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: You also have to be a great writer, and Jackson
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  Speaker 3: was indeed a great writer. He ended up getting captured
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  Speaker 3: and imprisoned by the British at the age of twelve. Truly,
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  Speaker 3: ride or Die literally and spoiler alert, America wins the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Revolutionary War, and by the time Jackson was thirty eight
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  Speaker 3: years old, he was a major general in the Tennessee Militia.
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  Speaker 3: He was a US representative. He'd already gotten rich and
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  Speaker 3: then almost bankrupt, and rich again and bankrupt again. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: by the time Tennessee gained statehood he was a pretty
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  Speaker 3: big deal. He already owned several race horses, and one
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: that he particularly loved was a horse called Indian Queen,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: and Jackson challenged his neighbor, a guy with the incredible
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: name of Lazarus Cotton, and Lazarus Cotton owned greyhound the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: fastest horse in the South, and they had a big
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: race with multiple heats, and Greyhound absolutely whips Indian Queen's
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: ass and Jackson is deeply embarrassed. So Jackson is determined
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: to be Greyhound and he knows a horse that can
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: do it. The horse is called Truxton, and that presents
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: two problems. The first is obviously that he doesn't own Truxton,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: and the second problem is that Truxton had just raced
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Greyhound and had lost. But luckily, problem number two kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of solves problem number one because the loss of Truxton
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: to Greyhound had basically bankrupted his owner. So Andrew Jackson
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: slides up and he offers this guy a hell of
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: a deal. He says, listen, bro, if you let me
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: borrow Truxton, I will pay off debts, I'll get you
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: out of your jam, and I'm gonna train Truxton to
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: run a big race. And if he wins that race,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: dex ball, I get to buy Truckston for forty grand
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: and I'll give you five other horses. And the guy says,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: all right, you said up a bit, you got yourself
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a deal. So now Andrew Jackson has his dream horse,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: trucks him, and he reaches out to his neighbor, Lazarus
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Cotton again and he says, let's run a back. Baby says,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I just bought Truxton, the one year horse just beat.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: But there's a new trainer in town. That's me. So he,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Jackson and Coddon agree to a race. But Jackson says,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: this time, I'm all in, and I remember he just
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: paid off this guy's debts. It's a little strapped for cash.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: So like, what is all in for a thirty eight
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: year old Andrew Jackson? What's that look like? Well, in
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: like a cash and prizes sense, like in a price
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: is right showcase showdown value? It was one hundred and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: forty thousand dollars today's money. One hundred thousand of that
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: was in cash and another forty thousand in Jackson's clothes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Valued that another forty grand. Wow, talk about a closed horse,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: good Boomer vernacular. Incredible.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Just to do what I can do, what I can
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to contribute.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Here, Absolutely huge wager. He's betting the closed off his
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: back and back. Then, Chad, no odds, this is just
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: straight up He's just gonna bet him a one hundred
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and forty grand straight up great baller. Now it's set,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Jackson has to start training truckst and he does so
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: like an absolute savage. He tells people he's gonna run
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the horse incredibly hard, to instill a will to win
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: in this animal, just like classic maniac stuff. And everyone thinks, Okay,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Jackson's killing this horse. There's no way he's gonna win
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: this race. The horse already fucking lost to Greyhound already.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: So when race day comes to Nashville, everybody rolls up.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: It's an unbelievably exciting enterprise here in an incredibly boring
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: place and incredibly boring part of American history. So this
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: is the most exciting thing that's like ever happened ever.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Report from this race says that gambling there is absolutely
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: out of control. There's a congressman in attendance who says
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: multiple people are betting their entire properties, like six hundred
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: plus acre properties. People are going full Jackson. They're betting
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: all their clothes. You watch a guy take off his
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: riding gloves and just bet the guy next to him,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Like everybody has got gambling fever for this giant race.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Even the jockey that Jackson hires, he bets his entire
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: net worth on himself. He even uses horses he doesn't
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: even own to make more bets. And then finally Chad,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: they're gonna do the race. It's the eighteen to oh
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: five version of Muhammad Ali versus Joe Fraser. It's Truxton
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Greyhound two. This one's for all the clothes and Truxton
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: absolutely crushes Greyhound, huge win. Jackson wins a shitload of money.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: The old owner of Truxton he gets his prize money.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Both men are totally bailed out. The jockey doubles his
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: net worth. Believable. Andrew Jackson just a total gambling maniac.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: And you could kind of picture the equivalent of a
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: guy like this today, fun little bonus nugget. Twenty years
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: after this race, Andrew Jackson runs for president and he's
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: running against John Quincy Adams. It's a classic matchup. You
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: got a Southern maniac versus a pedigreed Northeastern fancy boy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I wonder who you would be. And Jackson wins the
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: popular vote, but it's too close to call, so the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: election goes to the House of Representatives and John Quincy
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Adams takes the White House. Jackson's furious about it, and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: he blames his old adversary, the card shark Henry Clay.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: He thinks they broke it, some kind of crooked deal.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Stop the steal. All very familiar stuff does. But during
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the election, Jackson had painted John Quincy Adams as this
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: pansy boy, right, this pansy puritan. But after entering the
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: White House, John Quincy Adams is like, oh shit, I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: gonna have to talk to like a lot of foreign dignitaries.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I gotta find something for them to do. They all
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: love billiards, Europeans love playing pool. So Adams gets an
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: old pool table and he has it refurbished, and he
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: buys the sticks and the balls and all that shit,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: like some you know, midwestern dad redoing his reck room,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: except it's the White House. When Andrew Jackson, who just
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: lost the election to him, he hears about this, He's like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: oh my god, yes, I'm gonna fucking bury this guy
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: for this, and he manufactures an entire scandal, saying he
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: can't believe the president would use tax money for quote,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: gaming tables and gambling equipment, and says betting inside the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: White House would quote shock and alarm the religious and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: moral part of this country, and John Quincy Adams is like, bro,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: what the fuck are you talking about? I bought the
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: table with my own money and I'm not even using
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: it to bet. It's just like bullshit with ambassadors. And
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: obviously they call out that Jackson is a known enormous
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: maniac gambler and loves betting on cards and horses and
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: cock fights and anything else. Jackson had challenged the dude
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to a duel over a canceled horse race. He got
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: shot in the chest in that duel and still killed
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the other guy. Like not a kind of guy you're
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: gonna take a lot of shit about gambling from. But
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: it didn't matter. Scandal totally works. The next election is
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: a rematch Adams Jackson's full of dirty tricks and all
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: sorts of bullshit, but just like Truxton Greyhound two, this
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: one's for all the clothes. Jackson, as a maniac, beats
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Adams wins the presidency, and to end the story, when
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Jackson goes to DC, he immediately strong arms Congress. He
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: makes them renovate the White House stables so he can
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: bring all of his famous horses with him, And that
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: is just a glimpse into the Life a President Andrew Jackson,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: American gambling psychopath.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: What do you think of that one? Simon?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Honestly, not shocking, because if you do go through American history,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: all these presidents have had pretty wild lives, right, And
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't know all that about him and horse racing.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Though I knew he was a gambler, I never knew
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: was all horse and so pretty cool, pretty cool story.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, I gotta say I like the second one better.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: The second one, well, I had no idea. Yeah, a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: little more connected to the gambling, but I had no
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: idea that he made that much money from bedding horses
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and that he was that much of an accomplished writer.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That's actually incredibly cool? Is that? Also from David Schwartz's
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: book You want to repeat where you got this stuff?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Roll the Bones The History of Gambling. Wonderful book by
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: David Schwartz. Other sources include the Smithsonian, Rejectedprincesses dot Com, Wikipedia,
• 31:36
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