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One suspect SMILED when he heard she was dead - MrBallen · Crime and Horror

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  Speaker 1: On a Monday morning in February of two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 1: a man in suburban France got a phone call from
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  Speaker 1: a number that he recognized, so he answered it, but
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  Speaker 1: instead of the familiar voice he expected, all he heard
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  Speaker 1: on the other end was static and muffled voices somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in the background. He put his phone on speaker modes
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  Speaker 1: so his wife could listen, and the two of them
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  Speaker 1: listened closely to figure out, like, who's calling me?
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 1: And as they listened, they were able to barely make
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  Speaker 1: out a conversation happening between two women who.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: And these two women were clearly talking about a murder,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the women said they needed to come
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  Speaker 1: today's story. On the afternoon of Friday, February seventh, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and three, a fifty two year old woman named
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  Speaker 1: Monique Lejeune cleared the table after lunch at her house
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  Speaker 1: in Cologna, France. Her husband, Claude, and two of her
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  Speaker 1: adult sons, Frank and Pascal, were at the table, and
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  Speaker 1: while Monique cleaned up, the men talked over what they
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  Speaker 1: needed to pack for the overnight trip they were about
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  Speaker 1: to take. They were heading to a family gathering near Paris,
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  Speaker 1: about three and a half hours away, to celebrate Claude's
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  Speaker 1: sister in law's retirement. Monique was not going to go,
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  Speaker 1: and she had told her family it was bea because
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  Speaker 1: somebody had to stay home with their four dogs, and
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  Speaker 1: that was true, but there also was another real reason
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  Speaker 1: why Monique did not want to be there, and it
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  Speaker 1: was because she just didn't get along very well with
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  Speaker 1: Claude's family. So Monique and Claude had gotten married almost
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  Speaker 1: twenty years earlier, but at the time they both already
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  Speaker 1: had multiple kids from previous marriages. Monique had three boys
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  Speaker 1: and Claude had five girls, and for a while the
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  Speaker 1: two halves of the blended family had gotten along quite well,
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  Speaker 1: but over time there were some personality clashes between Monique
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  Speaker 1: and her five stepdaughters.
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  Speaker 2: When Monique and.
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  Speaker 1: Claude got married, all five girls were at least teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: if not in their twenties, and so while they sort
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  Speaker 1: of accepted Monique as being part of their lives, they
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  Speaker 1: just couldn't view her as an actual motherly figure.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: They were already close with their actual mother, Claude's ex wife, Beatrice,
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  Speaker 1: and so that was their mother, and Monique was like
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  Speaker 1: the add on. Then, in nineteen ninety three, one of
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  Speaker 1: claud Dude's grandsons, so one of his daughter's children, had
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  Speaker 1: accused Monique's eldest son, Jean Luke, of sexually abusing him,
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  Speaker 1: and that had completely ripped the family apart. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: was never reported to the police, so there was no
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  Speaker 1: actual investigation into whether this.
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  Speaker 2: Really happened or not.
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  Speaker 1: But Claude's five daughters Anne Claude's ex wife Beatrice, had
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  Speaker 1: fully believed the grandson, and Monique had defended her son
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  Speaker 1: Jean Luke, and Claude was kind of stuck in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of it, and it had gotten so ugly that
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  Speaker 1: the two sides of the family had just stopped talking
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  Speaker 1: to each other for a whole year, and so now
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  Speaker 1: the whole family was basically back on speaking terms as
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  Speaker 1: they were getting ready for this retirement party, but it
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  Speaker 1: was still extremely uncomfortable and tense, and so that is
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  Speaker 1: why Monique was not going to go, and also why
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  Speaker 1: her son Jean Luke was not going to go as well. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: around three PM, as Claude and the two sons wheeled
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  Speaker 1: their suitcases out to the car, Monique went to the
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  Speaker 1: front door and she said goodbye to them, and then
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  Speaker 1: watched as they hopped in the car and drove off.
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  Speaker 1: A few hours later, around six thirty pm, Monique heard
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  Speaker 1: a knock on the front door, and when she opened it,
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  Speaker 1: it was her son, Jean Luke, and he was standing
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  Speaker 1: there holding up his bicycle. He told his mom he
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  Speaker 1: was just stopping by on his way home from work,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, great, come on in, and so Jean
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  Speaker 1: Luke left his bike outside and he walked in and
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  Speaker 1: as he was taking off his coat, he mentioned to
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  Speaker 1: his mother that her neighbor across the street, whose name
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  Speaker 1: was Enrie had clearly been watching Jean Luke when he
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  Speaker 1: rolled up, like he was basically spying on him, and
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  Speaker 1: Monique actually kind of was spooked by that because Henri
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  Speaker 1: was a bit of a loose cannon. For example, anytime
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  Speaker 1: anybody parked their car in front of Henrie's house, he
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  Speaker 1: would shamelessly vandalize their vehicle by slashing their tires or
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  Speaker 1: pouring oil all over their car. I mean, the guy
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  Speaker 1: just didn't care. In fact, over the years, there had
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  Speaker 1: been several heated arguments between Monique and her sons and
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  Speaker 1: Henrie about parking and and in fact, one of those
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  Speaker 1: arguments had even escalated into a physical fight. But since
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  Speaker 1: Jean Luke had shown up tonight without a car, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he rode his bike here, Monique just hoped that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whatever issues Onri had, that it wouldn't go anywhere because
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  Speaker 1: there's no car in front of his property. Like, we
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  Speaker 1: didn't do anything, leave us alone. Monique led her son
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  Speaker 1: into the kitchen, where she poured two glasses of sparkling wine,
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  Speaker 1: and then the two just sat there and chatted for
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  Speaker 1: about half an hour, and then Monique gave her son
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  Speaker 1: a haircut, and then around seven oh five, Jean.
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  Speaker 2: Luke said goodbye to his mom.
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  Speaker 1: He went outside, hopped on his bike, which had not
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  Speaker 1: had its tires slashed by Henri, and he left to
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  Speaker 1: go to his apartment with his wife to have dinner.
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  Speaker 1: After Jean Luke was gone, Monique just sort of went
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  Speaker 1: about her evening. She corralled the dogs behind a baby
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  Speaker 1: gate at the base of the stairs and then fed them,
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  Speaker 1: and then she went into the kitchen and began cooking
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  Speaker 1: dinner for herself. But then a little while later, at
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  Speaker 1: around seven thirty pm, Monique heard another knock on the door,
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  Speaker 1: and she knew it very likely was not her son,
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  Speaker 1: and so as she walked down the hallway to answer it,
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  Speaker 1: she just hoped it wasn't n Ray. The following morning,
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  Speaker 1: the woman who lived next door to Monique woke up
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  Speaker 1: feeling pretty tired. She hadn't slept well because someone's dogs
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood had been barking all night. She got
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  Speaker 1: out of bed and walked over to the window and
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  Speaker 1: opened up the blinds, and as her eyes adjusted to
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  Speaker 1: the light that was flooding in, she looked down from
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  Speaker 1: her second floor window into the yard of the two
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  Speaker 1: story white house that was next door Monique's house, and
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  Speaker 1: the neighbor saw there was something dark in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the walkway that led to the front door of
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  Speaker 1: Monique's house, and so the neighbor she put her face
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  Speaker 1: right up to the window and she squinted to get
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  Speaker 1: a better look, and she realized what she was seeing
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  Speaker 1: was a body lying face down on the pavement, and
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  Speaker 1: so in a panic, this woman ran out of her room,
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  Speaker 1: grabbed the phone, and called the police. A couple hours later,
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  Speaker 1: Judiciary Police Captain Anne Prim pulled up in front of
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  Speaker 1: a white two story house with crime scene tape and
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  Speaker 1: a medical examiner's van right out front. As Preim got
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  Speaker 1: out of her car, a police officer walked over to
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  Speaker 1: her and led her to where the body of a
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  Speaker 1: woman was lying out in the front yard.
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  Speaker 2: The officer told Prim that the victim, Monique Lejune, had been.
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  Speaker 1: Discovered exactly like this by her neighbors earlier that morning,
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  Speaker 1: and based on the progression of rigor mortis, the medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner estimated that Monique had likely died between eight pm
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  Speaker 1: and midnight the night before. Preim bent down to get
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  Speaker 1: a better look at the body, but even before getting
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  Speaker 1: up close, she knew this woman had sustained just gruesome injuries.
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  Speaker 2: There was blood all over.
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  Speaker 1: Monique's face and her clothes, and her torso appeared completely
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  Speaker 1: ripped apart.
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  Speaker 2: By what appeared to be stab wounds.
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  Speaker 1: Preim guessed just from looking at the scene that this
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  Speaker 1: woman must have been murdered and likely was stabbed, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just at first glance at least a dozen times. Prim
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  Speaker 1: also noticed pretty obvious defense wounds all over moans, hands,
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  Speaker 1: and forearms, which certainly suggested again that she was murdered
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  Speaker 1: and that Monique had put up a pretty good fight
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  Speaker 1: against her killer. And so, after a few more moments
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  Speaker 1: of just kind of looking over the body, Priam stood
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  Speaker 1: back up and asked the officer if the neighbors had
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  Speaker 1: seen or heard anything unusual the night before, and the
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  Speaker 1: officer said no, aside from the fact that Monique's dog
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  Speaker 1: she had four dogs, had been barking non stop really
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  Speaker 1: the whole night, starting at around eight pm. Preim nodded
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  Speaker 1: and thanked the officer, and then she made her way
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  Speaker 1: over to the front door of the house to look
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  Speaker 1: to see if there was any signs of FoST entry.
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  Speaker 1: As the door was closed when she got there, she
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  Speaker 1: didn't see any signs, but she did see a bloody
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  Speaker 1: handprint on the outside wall near the door. And then
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  Speaker 1: when Priam turned the handle of the door and opened
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  Speaker 1: it up, she saw this hallway inside that was absolutely
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  Speaker 1: covered in blood, and so Priam very carefully stepped inside,
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  Speaker 1: trying to avoid stepping in the blood or tracking any
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  Speaker 1: prints anywhere. And she began walking down the hallway very
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  Speaker 1: careful and looking in other rooms, and she saw that
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, the blood spatter was pretty well
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  Speaker 1: contained in the entryway, which told her that the attack
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  Speaker 1: on Monique likely began and ended in the entryway, and
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  Speaker 1: so her running theory was, okay, Monique must have had
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  Speaker 1: someone come to the door, you know, they knocked or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and then Monique opened the door and was attacked immediately.
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  Speaker 1: But then as Preim stepped back outside, she looked down
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  Speaker 1: at the front walkway and noticed something kind of unusual.
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  Speaker 1: Despite all the blood right inside the front door, there
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  Speaker 1: was no blood at all.
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  Speaker 2: On the walkway.
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  Speaker 1: Between the door and the spot where Monique's body was found.
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  Speaker 1: And just from the amount of blood that the victim
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  Speaker 1: had clearly lost inside the house, prim doubted that she
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  Speaker 1: would have been capable of running out into the yard
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  Speaker 1: after the attack, so she had to wonder if maybe
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  Speaker 1: the body had been moved post mortem, And Monique was
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  Speaker 1: a large woman, so if her killer had been able
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  Speaker 1: to overpower her one and then also move her body
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  Speaker 1: such a far distance after she was dead, prim assumed
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  Speaker 1: that whoever her killer was was likely pretty strong. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: Priim just kind of assumed that the killer had to
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  Speaker 1: be a big, strong man. However, what Preim didn't understand
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  Speaker 1: was why would the killer want to drag a corpse
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  Speaker 1: out into the yard where the neighbors could see them,
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  Speaker 1: unless for some reason they wanted Monique to be found
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  Speaker 1: as soon as possible. And since at least at this point,
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  Speaker 1: it appeared like Monique likely had gone to the front
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  Speaker 1: door and opened the door for her killer, Preim thought
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  Speaker 1: that the killer must be someone that she knew. Around
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  Speaker 1: noon on that same day, so February eighth, two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and three, police Captain An Preim was about to go
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  Speaker 1: next door and speak to one of Monique's neighbors herself,
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  Speaker 1: when suddenly a car pulled up at the curb and
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  Speaker 1: three men climbed out, looking completely shocked and very concerned.
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  Speaker 1: By this point, Priam had learned from the neighbors that
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  Speaker 1: Monique had a husband and also adult sons, and so
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  Speaker 1: Prim assumed that these men must be them. So right away,
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  Speaker 1: prem hurried down the walkway to cut the men off
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  Speaker 1: to keep them from entering the crime scene. And the
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  Speaker 1: three men they just began crowding around her, asking her like,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on, Where's Monique, What's happened? And she told
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  Speaker 1: them that unfortunately, Monique had been stabbed to death, and
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  Speaker 1: at first all three of them just went completely silent,
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  Speaker 1: and then one of them, one of the sons, just
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  Speaker 1: began to cry. Prim then told them that they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: go into the house because it was still an active
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  Speaker 1: crime scene, so instead she led them over to the
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  Speaker 1: curb and they all sat down. Priam could tell the
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  Speaker 1: men were in shock, because as much as one man
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  Speaker 1: was crying, it just seemed like they couldn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Process what they were told.
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  Speaker 1: But it was important to find out what Monique's family
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  Speaker 1: knew as soon as possible, so Preim pulled out a
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  Speaker 1: notepath and gently asked them about the last time they
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  Speaker 1: had seen Monique. The husband, Claude, said that they had
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  Speaker 1: all left the house around three pm. The previous afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: leaving Monique at home alone. They said they had gone
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  Speaker 1: to a family gathering near Paris that evening and stayed overnight,
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  Speaker 1: and they'd only now just gotten back into town and
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  Speaker 1: they'd seen this whole scene out front the police tape
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  Speaker 1: and police. They had no idea what was going on. Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: prem asked Claude to tell him all the names of
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  Speaker 1: all the people in their family, all their adult children,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Claude's ex wife, Monique's ex husband, everybody. But
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  Speaker 1: as Claude was giving this information, he told her that
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  Speaker 1: he just couldn't imagine anybody in the family being involved
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  Speaker 1: in this. Preme nodded, but she knew that it was
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  Speaker 1: entirely possible that family was involved. I mean, unfortunately, this
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  Speaker 1: stuff does happen. But she didn't give that off. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: she just said, well, can you think of anyone who
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  Speaker 1: would want to hurt Monique? And Claude thought about it
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  Speaker 1: and just said no, she lived a pretty normal and
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  Speaker 1: uneventful life. But then one of the sons piped up
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  Speaker 1: and mentioned that actually there might be someone. He said,
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  Speaker 1: her neighbor on Rie, and he pointed across the street
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  Speaker 1: at the house. A minute later, Prim was knocking on
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  Speaker 1: the front door of Onrie's house, and after a few seconds,
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  Speaker 1: a middle aged man answered the door, and he was
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  Speaker 1: very curious about what was going on across the street,
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  Speaker 1: and eventually Priam told him that, well, your neighbor Monique
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  Speaker 1: has been murdered. And when she said that, on Ree smiled,
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  Speaker 1: so immediately alarm.
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  Speaker 2: Bells are going off.
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  Speaker 1: In Priam's head, She's thinking, this guy is very suspicious,
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  Speaker 1: and she asked him, like, can I come in and
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  Speaker 1: look around then? And Onri didn't even seem surprised by
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  Speaker 1: this request. It was like he already knew he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be looked at as a suspect and said, sure,
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  Speaker 1: come on in, So he stepped aside, and Preim came
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  Speaker 1: in and began searching every room in the house, the
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  Speaker 1: living room, the kitchen, the upstairs bedrooms. But despite looking everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't find any traces of blood or really anything
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  Speaker 1: else suspenscious or unusual. So eventually prem made her way
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  Speaker 1: back into the living room where Henri was waiting, and
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  Speaker 1: she asked him, you know, where were you the previous
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  Speaker 1: evening and he told her very casually that well, he
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  Speaker 1: and his wife were home.
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  Speaker 2: They were here. Prem thought this was a pretty weak alibi, but.
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  Speaker 1: She made a mental note to follow up with the
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  Speaker 1: wife and confirm it later. Next Prim asked Henri if
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  Speaker 1: he had seen or heard anything out of the ordinary
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  Speaker 1: the night before, and Henri said no, except that maybe
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  Speaker 1: around seven pm he had seen one of Monique's sons leaving.
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  Speaker 2: Her house on his bicycle.
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  Speaker 1: And did this prem perked up because the family had
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  Speaker 1: told her that Monique had a third adult son named
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  Speaker 1: Jean Luke, who had not gone to that party in Paris,
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  Speaker 1: and if Henri was telling the truth, it meant that
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  Speaker 1: Jean Luke was very likely the last person to see.
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  Speaker 2: Monique alive, and maybe he was even the killer.
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  Speaker 1: The next morning, Prem led a forensics team up the
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  Speaker 1: stairs of a rundown apartment building in a sketchy part
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  Speaker 1: of town.
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  Speaker 2: She knocked on the door to Jean.
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  Speaker 1: Luke's apartment, and a moment later a young man answered.
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  Speaker 1: After confirming that he was Sean Luke, two officers led
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  Speaker 1: him away to be questioned back at the station. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: Prim went in with the forensics team to search his apartment,
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  Speaker 1: and pretty quickly, as Priam was walking around the living room,
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  Speaker 1: one of the other officers called her over to look
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  Speaker 1: at something, and so she walked over to him, and
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  Speaker 1: she saw he had his flashlight out and he was
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  Speaker 1: pointing it at something on the wall, and when she
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  Speaker 1: got close enough, she could see that what he was
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  Speaker 1: highlighting were what appeared to be tiny drops of blood,
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  Speaker 1: and so Preim pulled out her flashlight and she too
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  Speaker 1: began scouring the walls and the floor near the stairs
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  Speaker 1: looking for any more blood, and she found a few
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  Speaker 1: more red droplets near the doorknob to a closet, and
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  Speaker 1: so she opened the closet up and inside was a bike,
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  Speaker 1: and she shined her flashlight on the bike, on the
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  Speaker 1: wheels in the frame, and she saw all these reddish
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  Speaker 1: brown splatters all over the underside of it, as if
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  Speaker 1: whoever had ridden the bike lass had basically drove through
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  Speaker 1: a poddle of blood. An hour later, Prim walked into
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  Speaker 1: an interrogation room at the police station where Jean Luke
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  Speaker 1: was sitting with his head in his hands.
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  Speaker 2: He looked up as she.
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  Speaker 1: Entered, and he had this very scared and confused expression
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  Speaker 1: on his face. Priim sat down across from him and
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  Speaker 1: right away asked him what he had been doing at
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  Speaker 1: his mother's house on the night of February seventh. Jean
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  Speaker 1: Luke said he had just stopped by after work, as
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  Speaker 1: he often did, and he only stayed for maybe half
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  Speaker 1: an hour before riding his bike back home. When Prim
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  Speaker 1: asked him if he had gone straight home afterwards, Jean
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  Speaker 1: Luke said, no, he hadn't.
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  Speaker 2: He explained that his.
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  Speaker 1: Wife's brother, Christof Grecier, lived in the same apartment building
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  Speaker 1: as they did, on the floor right below them, so
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  Speaker 1: before going up to his own unit, he said, he
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  Speaker 1: just stopped by to chat with Christof for a few minutes,
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  Speaker 1: and then after that he spent the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: night in his own apartment with his wife. However, to Priim,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: she felt like there had to be more to this
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: story because they had found what appeared to be droplets
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of blood sort of scattered throughout Sean Luke's apartment, and
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: then you know, there was blood or at least what
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: appeared to be blood on the underside of his bike,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and so she figured, you know, maybe if she pushed
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: hard enough, she might be able to get him to
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: change his story. So she told him point blank they
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: had found blood in his living room and they were
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: now sending it to the lab for analysis, and when
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Jean Luke heard this, his face went bright red and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: he began stammering that the blood was very likely from
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a neighbor who had injured himself while visiting a few
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: days earlier. Preim nodded, but then told him, you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: they'd also found blood sort of all over his bike,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and Jean Luke he sort of hesitated and stuttered and stammered,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: but really couldn't come up with any way to explain that.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: At this point, Preim felt like she had Jean Luke
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: right where she wanted him, so she just told him
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to be quiet for a second and just roll up
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: your sleeves so she could look at his arms. Priam knew,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you know, based on the defensive wounds on Monique's body,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: that she likely had fought back really hard and she
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: must have left at least a few scrapes or bruises
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: on her killer. However, when Jean Luke finally rolled up
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: his sleeves, Preim didn't see a single scratch or bruise
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: on his hands or arms. A few minutes later, Preim
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: left the interrogation room and.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Walked to her office.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Despite the lack of defensive wounds. Jean Luke was definitely
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: still acting suspicious and she was not ready to let
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: him go, but she also didn't want to get tunnel
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: vision and completely ignore any other suspects in case the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: blood inside of Jean Luke's apartment did turn out to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: just be a big coincidence. So she sat down at
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: her desk and she opened up a file and she
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: began flipping through the notes of interviews that her team
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: had already done with the rest of Monique's family and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: her neighbors. Monique's sons had mentioned in their interviews that
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: there was definitely some tension between Monique and her five
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: step daughters, but officers had spoken to all the stepdaughters
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: as well as their husbands, and even though some of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the women had admitted they still had an issue with Monique,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: they all had alibis both the women and their husbands
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: for the night that Monique was killed. Also, several other
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: family members had mentioned that Claude's ex wife, Beatrice, definitely
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: did not get along with Monique, but officers had tracked
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: down Beatrice and she just didn't seem like a very
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: strong suspect.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Beatrice had said, for.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: The most part, she and Monique, even if they didn't
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: get along, they just stayed out of each other's way,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and that they hadn't seen each other.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: In over a month.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And also, Beatrice was remarkably tiny and frail. She was
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: barely four foot nine inches tall and fifty eight years
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: old and just seemed really weak. So it just seemed
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: almost impossible that she could have overpowered the much larger
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Monique and inflicted the injuries that were inflicted on her
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and then dragged her out.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: To the front yard. It just seemed sort of impossible.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And so even though she wasn't totally ruled out for
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the most part, she was just Then there was a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: knock on Priam's door, and when she looked up, she
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: saw there was another officer standing there, and he told
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: her there were two people here who wanted to speak
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to her. Preim nodded, and and then a moment later,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a very nervous looking middle aged man and woman.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Came into the office.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They sat down across the desk from Preim, and the
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: man said they had information that could help with the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Monique Lejune investigation. Preim sat up and grabbed a notepad
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and said, Okay, tell me what you got, and she
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: began writing as the man explained that he was a
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: coworker of Christoph Cressier, and Prim immediately recognized that that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: was the name of Jean Luke's brother in law, the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: one Jean Luke said he had visited on the night
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Monique was killed. That was the person he saw, apparently
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: right after he left Monique's house. The man sitting across
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: from Prim said that just a few hours ago he'd
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: gotten a call from Christof's number, but when he answered it,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: all he could hear was a sort of muffled conversation
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: between two women. And at first, you know, this man
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: thought what he was hearing was just an accidental call,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe by Christof's kid.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: It was just pressing buttons at random.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: However, the man said, when he put his phone on speaker,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: he and his wife, who was the woman he was with,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they both started listening really closely, and they were able
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to make out.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: A snippet of the conversation.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: The two women on the line were clearly talking about
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: needing an alibi and saying something about a man named
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Jean Luke. First, the women had said something like it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: not Jean Luke's fault, he's depressed, and then the women
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: had mentioned something about a pair of pants that needed
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to be washed.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Preim couldn't believe what she was hearing.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, any doubts that she had had about Jean
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Luke being the killer pretty much disappeared. And so she
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: took down the couple's names in contact info, showed them
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: out of her office, and then once they were gone,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: she grabbed her keys and she headed out to go
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to Christof's apartment. Now by this point, Christof had already
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: been taken into custody and questioned, and he had completely
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: denied knowing anything about Monique's murder or the phone call
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: that was apparently made from his numb but Prim hoped
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that maybe a search of his apartment would tell a
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: different story. She walked through each room of the apartment
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: until she found the washing machine, and there she put
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: on a pair of late text clubs, and she reached
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: inside the washing machine and she pulled out a pair
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: of pants that were still damp, as if they had
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: just been washed earlier that day. And she held these
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: pants up and kind of put them in the light,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and she could see clearly there was a brownish stain
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: on them. She also noticed that these pants looked like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: they'd be way too small for Christof, who was a
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: pretty tall and burly guy, but they definitely looked like
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they would fit a guy like Jean Luke, who was
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: much smaller. Later that same day, so this is on
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: February tenth, two days after Monique's body was found, Captain
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Pream was in her office when her phone rang. She
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: answered it and it was a technician from the crime
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: lab telling her they actually already had the results from
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the samples that had been sent in for testing, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: so prim you know, she's geared up, you know, ready
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to hear some potentially case breaking news. But the tech
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: told her that the stains that were on the bike,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: it was blood, but it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Was animal blood.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: He went on to say that the other little droplets
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of blood that were in Jean Luke's apartment, like on
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: the walls and near the door handle of the closet,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: it was blood but not a match for Moniques. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: then also those pants that have been found, that stain
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: on the pants that wasn't blood at all, That stain
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was just Greece. Preme was very frustrated because in her
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: mind she had sort of zeroed in on Jean Luke.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: It really seemed like he was their guy, but now
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: they really had no physical evidence against him. And as
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: for that bizarre phone call to Christoph's coworker, they really
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: had no way of knowing who those two women in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the background were, or even if the coworker and his
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: wife had actually overheard the conversation correctly. You know about
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the alibi and about Jean Luke being depressed. You know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: who knows if they actually heard that. So Preim thanked
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the lab technician for calling with the update, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: despite how to disappointing it was, and she was about
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to hang up when he told her to wait because
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: he had one more piece of news for her. He
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: told her that during Monique's autopsy, the medical examiner had
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: actually found DNA under Monique's fingernails, and it was very
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: likely skin cells from her killer that had been scratched
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: off during the struggle. The technician said it would take
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: at least another few weeks to analyze it, but once
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the results came back, they could definitely test it against
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: DNA samples from any of their suspects and maybe it
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: would be a match. This definitely gave Priam some hope,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and after she hung up, she began making a list
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of everyone they would need to get a DNA sample
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: from so they could test against it. She definitely knew
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: she would need one from Jean Luke and Christoff, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: then also that neighbor Henri, seemed like a strong suspect too.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Prim had actually spoken to Henri's wife and confirmed that,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: at least according to her, they were together that whole
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: night Monique was killed, but she also knew that spouses
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: were very likely to live for each other, so it
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: was a flimsy alibi. So at this point Preim felt
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: like she definitely had three good potential suspects to get
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: DNA from, but realistically that was where her list ended.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: The rest of Monique's family had been ruled out by
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: this point, and none of the other neighbors really seemed
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: like suspects, and by all accounts, Monique lived a pretty
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: quiet suburban life and just didn't really get into trouble
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: with anyone, so there really was no one else and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: so to prem it just felt like something was missing here,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like in the time I have between now and when
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the analysis is done on that DNA underneath Monique's fingernails.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I need to see if there's something I've missed, and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: so over the next few weeks that's what Prem did.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: She poured over all the evidence they'd collected, and she
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: reinterviewed all the family members and spoke to all the neighbors.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: But despite this huge effort, nothing new came up that
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: brought any other.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Suspects into view. However, at the same time, this is
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: early March.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: By this point, maybe three or four weeks after the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: tech had said they would test this DNA, Preim got
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: another call from the crime lab and the technician said
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that the DNA analysis had come back, and even before
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: they tested it against any specific suspects, the results were
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: already enough to narrow down the field significantly, and when
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Prem heard what the tech had to say about the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: analysis so far, she realized that this was in fact
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the missing piece of information that she needed. Based on
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: this revelatory DNA evidence and also an eventual confession by
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the killer, this is what police believe happened to Monique Lejune.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: On the night of February seventh, two thousand and three.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: The killer walked up to Monique's front door and knocked
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and a few seconds later the door opened and Monique
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was standing there, but instead of inviting the killer inside,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Monique just kind of crossed her arms and stared. At
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: this point, the killer began to speak. However, what was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: supposed to be a polite conversation quickly escalated into an argument,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: with both of them hurling insults back and forth, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: then at some point Monique slammed the door in the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: killer's face, but before she did, she said one last
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: thing that was apparently so inflammatory.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: That it pushed the killer over the edge.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And so, without even stopping to consider what they were doing,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the killer, after having the door slammed in their face
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and hearing this totally inflammatory line, they stormed over to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: their vehicle, which was part nearby, and they grabbed the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: knife they kept under their seat for self defense, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: they carried that knife right back to the front door
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and knocked again. As soon as the door opened, the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: killer pushed their way inside, and with a surge of rage,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: they just started stabbing. But Monique was very strong and big,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and she knocked the killer to the ground and actually
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: pinned them there, but the killer managed to wrestle their
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: arm free that was holding the knife, but Monique she
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: kept fighting back. I mean, this was an epic struggle.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And also the whole time this is happening, Monique's four
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: dogs have basically come over to the gate, which butted
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: up against the entryway, and they're watching this happen and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: they're barking like mad, and Monique is streaming out and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: rage and panic and pain until finally they were able
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to break away from Monique, who kind of had them
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: pinned despite you know, getting stabbed repeatedly. And then once
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the killer was free, they turned and bolted out of
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the house. The killer ran across the yard, got in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: their vehicle, began pulling away, and as they did that,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they saw Monique stumble out the front door. She took
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a few steps down the walkway and collapsed to the ground,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: but the killer didn't wait around to see if.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: She was really dead.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Instead, they sped away, and then they stopped at a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: supermarket parking lot and threw the murder weapon, the knife,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in a trash can, and then the killer went home
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and they burned their bloodstained clothes in their stove. They
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: thought that would be enough to destroy any evidence linking
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: them to this crime, especially considering the fact that they
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: knew they were like the last person anybody would suspect
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of such a horrible, violent murder. It would turn out
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the killer was the four foot nine inch tall, tiny,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: frail Beatrice Matisse, Claude's fifty eight year old ex wife.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: In her confession to police, she claimed she had gone
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to Monique's house that night to finally bury the hatchet
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: after years of feuding between the two sides of Claude's family,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: but she said the bad blood ran way too deep,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and when Monique apparently insulted Beatrice's daughters, that was the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: last inflammatory line. As she shut the door, Beatrice said,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: she snapped. Beatrice had actually been ruled out as a
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: suspect primarily because she was really really small, like too
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: small to have overpowered Monique and then to have potentially
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: moved her body out.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: To the front yard.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: But it would turn out Monique's body was no moved
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: at all, She stumbled out herself. Monique was apparently so
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: full of adrenaline after getting attacked that she had managed
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to chase Beatrice out of the house before she collapsed
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and died. And keep in mind, she did that after
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: being stabbed over fifty times. And losing an immense amount
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of blood inside. And because Monique had fought back so fiercely,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: she had managed to get traces of Beatrice's DNA under
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: her fingernails, and so right away the DNA analysis showed
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that their killer was a woman, and further testing eventually
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: confirmed that it was a match for Beatrice. Investigators never
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: figured out who made that bizarre phone call to Christov's coworker,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: but their best guess was that the women that were
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: heard on the phone call were Christov's mother and sister,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and it was just an innocent conversation about Monique's murder
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that the coworker misinterpreted. Beatrice Matis was arrested on March
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: twenty ninth, two thousand and three, and she confessed to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the murder immediately, although she later recanted the confession. She
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: was eventually found guilty and sentenced to fifteen years in jail.
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