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Steve Price | 31 January · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: If this is Steve Price, Welcome to Friday Night's Steve
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  Speaker 1: Price with UA PAC program coming up tonight. As Australia
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  Speaker 1: finally packs up that the summer holidays and gets ready
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five starting next week, including the resumption,
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  Speaker 1: of course of what will be the closing days of
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  Speaker 1: the current Labor government as we head to a twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five federal election sooner rather than later, I think
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  Speaker 1: we all hope for coming up the mystery Sydney caravanoated
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  Speaker 1: with plastic explosives and anti Semitic slogans and threats to
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  Speaker 1: locations including synagogues. Greg Barton, terrorist expert joins us and
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  Speaker 1: I'll examine the puzzling reasons why the Prime Minister looks
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  Speaker 1: like a being kept in the dark for days about
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  Speaker 1: what was unfolding, and as Parliament resumes, experts warn the
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  Speaker 1: government to keep their hands off your superannuation and the
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  Speaker 1: threat new laws posed to farmers and to small businesses.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be joined by the head of the self managed
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  Speaker 1: superannuation Fund to unpack that for US Plus broadcaster Lucy
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  Speaker 1: Zelik reacts to a late breaking story today out of
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  Speaker 1: camera where the Health Minister Mark Butler has decided to
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  Speaker 1: override the Queensland government's plans to pause the practice of
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  Speaker 1: providing puberty blockers for anyone under the age of eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Lucy will go through that with us first, though, is
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  Speaker 1: our country really so divided over the disgraceful rise in
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  Speaker 1: violent anti Semitism that we all can't even get on
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  Speaker 1: the same page. When New South Wales police discover a
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  Speaker 1: caravan loaded with what is alleged to be plastic explosives,
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  Speaker 1: probably stolen from a mind sight, in what has been
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  Speaker 1: described as a foiled terrorist attack. The story is now
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  Speaker 1: only public because our mate the Daily Telegraph, Mark Murray
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  Speaker 1: and their crime reporter josh Hanrahan and others at the
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  Speaker 1: Telegraph will leak details of this police operation that had
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  Speaker 1: been active since the van was found way back on
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  Speaker 1: January nineteenth. Now Sky News Today has been talking about
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  Speaker 1: the timeline of this case and it now merges that
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  Speaker 1: if not for the leak, we wouldn't know about this operation.
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  Speaker 1: No one would have including it seems those attending the
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  Speaker 1: synagogue named on notes left it in the caravan. But
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  Speaker 1: it's worse than that. New South Wales, like Victoria, as
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  Speaker 1: we know, it's been swamped with terrifying attacks on Jewish
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  Speaker 1: people and their place of worship and even a childcare center.
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  Speaker 1: So January nineteen this threat goes to a new level,
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  Speaker 1: and for so called operational reasons, the public's not told.
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  Speaker 1: Now we only have to we have to trust the
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  Speaker 1: police here. But not only that, the Prime Minister, the
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  Speaker 1: Australian Federal Police and presumably intelligence agencies were all kept
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  Speaker 1: in the dark. Apparently now police must have thought they
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  Speaker 1: needed the cloak of secrecy to find those ultimately responsible
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  Speaker 1: for what was going on around Sydney. They had made
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  Speaker 1: allegations about a pair already in custody in relation to
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  Speaker 1: other offenses, and they were trying to solve what turns
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  Speaker 1: out to be a jigsaw puzzle like mystery of what
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  Speaker 1: actually went on here. They have to accept the police
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  Speaker 1: at their world. But seriously, New South Wales Premier Mins
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  Speaker 1: was told what had been found and the next day,
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  Speaker 1: the very next day, he was with the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: outside that Eastern Sydney suburban childcare center talking about tax
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  Speaker 1: on Jews. Are we to believe he didn't tell the
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister about a caravan loaded with plastic explosives. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it appears he didn't, and for some reason the Prime
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  Speaker 1: Minister was either seething inside that he wasn't told, or
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  Speaker 1: he did know and is not telling us. But for
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  Speaker 1: God's sake, Prime Minister, don't you realize you're just playing
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  Speaker 1: into the hands of your critics who think you are
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  Speaker 1: a weak man, not a leader. I mean, come on,
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  Speaker 1: here he is today in Melbourne, when asked about what
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  Speaker 1: he knew and when he knew.
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  Speaker 2: What's correct?
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  Speaker 3: Protocol is making sure that we don't speak about operational matters.
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  Speaker 2: I addressed this yesterday. I have no intention.
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  Speaker 1: Of undermining an ongoing investigation by going into the details.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, please, no one expects you to break police
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  Speaker 1: operational secrecy. No one expects you to yap on about
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  Speaker 1: national security. We get that, But when you're asked when
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  Speaker 1: you knew, when you were told just a week ago,
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  Speaker 1: ten days ago, But I'm not talking about it instead,
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  Speaker 1: use him shifty And people have every right to wonder
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  Speaker 1: why a plot like this was not important enough for
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  Speaker 1: you to be told, And if you weren't told, why
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  Speaker 1: not Surely protocols around national security in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: a crisis surrounding anti Semitism would mean you'd be the
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  Speaker 1: first person, not the last person to be told what
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  Speaker 1: You've played straight into Peter Dutton's hands here, and he's
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  Speaker 1: right to wonder exactly what is going.
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  Speaker 4: On For the Prime Minister not to know about a
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  Speaker 4: terrorist attack that was in the planning, This is of
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  Speaker 4: national significance and I think it's a complete abrogation of
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  Speaker 4: his responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, Parliament resumes next week and expect the
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  Speaker 1: Opposition to want more detail and doesn't the Jewish population
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  Speaker 1: of Australia deserve better than this. It's time to front up,
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister and clean this all up. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to avoid pesky media questions going on forever, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just put out a statement via your office and explain
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  Speaker 1: to the Australian public what the hell is going on.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stick with this. Still on the potential caravan bomb attack,
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  Speaker 1: New South Wales Senior Police now they've been privately raising
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  Speaker 1: concerns that the rise of anti Semitic attacks, along with
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  Speaker 1: other crimes like domestic violence, is putting a serious strain
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  Speaker 1: on their resources. Now it comes as it has now
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  Speaker 1: been revealed a third person alleged to be quote on
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  Speaker 1: the periphery of the caravan terror plot they're now in custody.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me now, Greg Barton, terror expert and Deacon University
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  Speaker 1: Global Islamic Politics Chair, Greg, Great to see you again.
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  Speaker 1: This case is deep disturbing, especially considering the odd fact
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  Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister was kept in the dark for
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  Speaker 1: over a week. What do you make of that decision
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  Speaker 1: keep it secret from the peer.
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  Speaker 5: Stephe makes some good points, could be back with you.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Prime Minister, as you rightly say, plays
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  Speaker 5: into the hands of his critics by not offering more information.
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  Speaker 5: Of course he can't speak, but operational matters in detail,
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  Speaker 5: and it does make sense that the Prime Minister is
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  Speaker 5: not immediately told when police are have an investigation. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, once this case is over and things are reviewed,
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  Speaker 5: it would make sense to think about, for example, when
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  Speaker 5: do you inform the community that's the target, the Jewish community,
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  Speaker 5: at least their leaders, about a possible danger to them,
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  Speaker 5: when you form your political leaders police. Of course, in
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  Speaker 5: some ways you could understand would rather tell no one
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  Speaker 5: because they are afraid of it leaking. But you know
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  Speaker 5: that's going to be balanced against keeping senior political leaders
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  Speaker 5: in the loop and community leaders in the loop. So
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  Speaker 5: it's a difficult one. And this is a very strange case.
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  Speaker 5: It has to be knowledge. It's rare for a case
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  Speaker 5: to go on this long without conclusive answers.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, we've got three people in custody. They're said to
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  Speaker 1: be on the periphery of this and of the Van discovery.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help though, but go back a couple of
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  Speaker 1: weeks back to the hint that the AFP head Reese
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  Speaker 1: Kershor gave us a couple of weeks back, talking about
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  Speaker 1: the potential of offshore groups or individuals funding these attacks
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  Speaker 1: on Jewish targets. With your background, do you believe that
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  Speaker 1: could be a possibility.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't believe the f P would have gone
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  Speaker 5: public whether this unless they had some credible evidence. They
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  Speaker 5: said it was a matter of investigation. They didn't say
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  Speaker 5: that they'd come to a conclusion. But we'd also been
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  Speaker 5: told that some of the people who arrested over Anisthmitic
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  Speaker 5: attacks had said that they were motivated by profit. Otherwise
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  Speaker 5: they were acting as criminals taking payment for these vile services.
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  Speaker 5: And then it was suggested that some of the people
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  Speaker 5: who were paying may not have been on shore. Now
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  Speaker 5: we haven't heard any confirmation of that, but that adds
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  Speaker 5: a layer of complicating questions. It's interesting in this case,
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  Speaker 5: Steve the powergob mining explosive, very ufful explosive is kept
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  Speaker 5: in highly secure locations. It's very difficult to get it
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  Speaker 5: unless you have a legitimate and they need and there's
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  Speaker 5: a good portrayal and a good way of securing who
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  Speaker 5: has access and who uses it because it is very
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  Speaker 5: dangerous material. We very rarely ever hear of this sort
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  Speaker 5: of getting out and being used in the various plots.
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  Speaker 5: The fact that it was found of that caravan to
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  Speaker 5: me suggests it's likely organized criminal links because only they
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  Speaker 5: have the capacity to do this sort of thing. So
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  Speaker 5: far as we know, we don't have really sophisticated terror
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  Speaker 5: networks who could do this at the moment, but we
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  Speaker 5: certainly have organized crime groups who have this capacity. So
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  Speaker 5: that's another interesting detail in the whole mystery. But it
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  Speaker 5: is a dangerous escalation in the level of threat that
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  Speaker 5: we're facing.
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  Speaker 1: Well in Nisotha's police said that if that caravan had
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  Speaker 1: been used as a mobile bomb and had been blown up,
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  Speaker 1: but would have devastated an air of about forty square
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  Speaker 1: meters of a large area. Given that, should we be
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  Speaker 1: looking at raising the terror a threat. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: can't blame Greg the Jewish community for feeling like they've
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  Speaker 1: been a little bit abandoned here.
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  Speaker 6: No, you can.
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  Speaker 5: Understand the trauma of the Jewish community feeling trauma ever
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  Speaker 5: since the mass terror attacks of October seventh, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 5: And of course this just adds to it. There's this
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  Speaker 5: a horrible, sickening rise not just in the frequency of
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  Speaker 5: anti Semitic attacks, but the severity of fire bombing of
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  Speaker 5: a synagogue in Melbourne and now potentially, you know what
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  Speaker 5: could have been the largest active terror in Australian history,
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  Speaker 5: because there appears to have been enough explosive material and
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  Speaker 5: van to have brought down a small building or blow
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  Speaker 5: on the face off of a larger building, a really
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  Speaker 5: significant amount of explosives. Even during the height of Islamic
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  Speaker 5: state color terror attacks across Europe, we saw people improvised
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  Speaker 5: explosive homemade, not this powerful commercial material.
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  Speaker 1: Greg, Well, I've got you. I want to tap into
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  Speaker 1: your knowledge about the ceasefire Middle East. Three or Israeli
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  Speaker 1: hostages have now been released. Five tie internationals were caught
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  Speaker 1: up in all of this release by Hamas Israel, though
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  Speaker 1: did beefly delay the exchange of the Palestinian prisoners going
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  Speaker 1: back the other way because they were swamped by crowds.
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  Speaker 1: How fragile do you believe this ceasefire arrangement is at
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  Speaker 1: the moment right now?
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  Speaker 5: That's the big question, isn't it, Steve. It's in its
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  Speaker 5: extremely situation. It's a three phase ceasefire. We're about to
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  Speaker 5: go into negotiations for the second phase. The third phase
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  Speaker 5: would involve the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip. But there
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  Speaker 5: needs to be confidence about who runs the Gaza Strip.
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  Speaker 5: It can't be Hamas, you know, it would for the
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  Speaker 5: Arab states in the regions to join in sude Araga
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  Speaker 5: and the Gulf state's Egypt and Jordan to support this.
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  Speaker 5: It would need to be a Palasinian led administry. The
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  Speaker 5: Palasini authority is in no position to do it, and
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  Speaker 5: Hamas is you know, it should be completely barred from
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  Speaker 5: any role. So that points to the difficulty of making
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  Speaker 5: this work. It's really good we seeing the hostages that
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  Speaker 5: are released. It's good they've got to this first stage.
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  Speaker 5: But it's important we get to the next stages because
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  Speaker 5: otherwise there's no lasting securities for anyone Palestinian or Israeli.
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  Speaker 5: This is really the tipping point. There's been enough suffering
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  Speaker 5: these last fifteen months.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Let us hope that this can hold because everyone needs
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  Speaker 5: a break.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Barton, great to talk to you, my friend. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much. We'll catch up with you soon. Moving
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  Speaker 1: on to domestic issues now, and the Coalition is accused
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  Speaker 1: Labor of giving public servants quote a blank check not
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  Speaker 1: to be in the office following revelations more than you
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  Speaker 1: just don't believe. There's one in four people at the
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  Speaker 1: Home Affairs Department are only heading into the office one
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  Speaker 1: or two days a week. Also, fifty cent public transport
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  Speaker 1: fares now, I talked to Campbell Newman about this last week.
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  Speaker 1: It might send Queensland broke. It's smashing the budget there well,
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  Speaker 1: the Greens, the Federal Greens, Adam bantn Is mates, they
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  Speaker 1: want to make the scheme nation Now. As a user
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  Speaker 1: of trams in Melbourne, I can tell you that would
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  Speaker 1: be a penalty for commuters because whenever I get on
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  Speaker 1: a tram, hardly anyone under the age of thirty actually pays.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me in ours Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman, great
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  Speaker 1: to catch up. Let's talk public servants. Twenty seven percent
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  Speaker 1: of the department's employees have arrangements in place to work
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  Speaker 1: from home three or four or more days a week.
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  Speaker 1: This is federal that's extraordinary. We've got state governments demanding
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  Speaker 1: people go back to the office, but in the federal
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  Speaker 1: sphere they're allowed to keep working at home. As if
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  Speaker 1: COVID's still there.
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  Speaker 4: Look at his ridiculous mate, How can you have a productive,
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  Speaker 4: pardon me, efficient public service where people collaborate properly in
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  Speaker 4: teams and actually do get work done effectively. When you're
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  Speaker 4: running in that way bluntly, it's a road. It should stop,
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  Speaker 4: and the government should be ordering people back to work.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, we do have too many publics
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  Speaker 4: evans this nation right now, and a way of getting
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  Speaker 4: a head count reduction might be saying, well, you've got
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  Speaker 4: to get back to work. Otherwise, don't come Monday, no job.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like a good policy.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I was Well, that's what i'd do if
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  Speaker 4: I was king, If I was king for a day, mate,
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  Speaker 4: that's what I'd be doing. Certainly I'll be demanding if
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  Speaker 4: I was Premier. David chrystalph fully.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, and I think Peter Dutton could
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  Speaker 1: do worse than to bring that up as a policy himself.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about this fifty cent fares on public transport.
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  Speaker 1: It's been introduced in Queensland. It was a labor policy
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  Speaker 1: during the election campaign and David Christopher fully has kept it.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens now want this to go national across the country.
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  Speaker 1: It will be a massive cost. But the point I
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  Speaker 1: make there, don't I mean, I don't know about other jurisdictions,
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  Speaker 1: but in Melbourne, when you get on and off a
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  Speaker 1: tram there's no gate for you to go through. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have to tap anything. You just get on and
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to tap your useless mikey on a machine
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  Speaker 1: and that's how you pay for your trip. Train ends
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  Speaker 1: around all the time. I've seen nobody paying. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the Greens are on about.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it sounds like Melbourne's got a very specific problem there.
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  Speaker 4: Perhaps it's happening on the light rail in Sydney as well.
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  Speaker 4: But look, this is a crazy polity. Just to give
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  Speaker 4: you as a bit of a feel, the public transport
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  Speaker 4: subsidy for every trip in Southeast Queensland was multiples of
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  Speaker 4: tens of dollars. Right, that was prior to this so
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  Speaker 4: called initiative being brought in by the former Labor government
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  Speaker 4: then kept by the lingp tens of dollars. It might
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  Speaker 4: have been forty or fifty dollars per trip and they
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  Speaker 4: were recovering an amount of money before and now it's
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  Speaker 4: dropped to almost a negligent amount, and meanwhile they're maintaining
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  Speaker 4: the billing and fair collection systems. Look, there's no doubt
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  Speaker 4: that it's good to have affordable public transport fares. Was
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  Speaker 4: that the fares in southeast Queensland were too high compared
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  Speaker 4: to say, Sydney metro area. But this was an extreme
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  Speaker 4: measure and it's just ridiculous. It's not sustainable. At the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, it is actually paid for by
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  Speaker 4: all of us through the tax burden that we all
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  Speaker 4: bear overall. So the idea of it gain national is
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  Speaker 4: a pretty bad idea. I accept ideas about getting cars
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  Speaker 4: off the road all that sort of stuff, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: fares of three or four dollars for the average trip
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  Speaker 4: are fair and reasonable. Note but intended fifty cents just
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  Speaker 4: not sustainable.
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  Speaker 1: In your experiences that got cars off the roads? Are
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  Speaker 1: the public is public transport in Queensland now packed with people.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and has anyone done the numbers on what
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  Speaker 1: it's actually done to patronage?
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  Speaker 4: Look, I must say, Steve, I haven't seen the latest
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  Speaker 4: sort of information research on that. There was some released
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  Speaker 4: some months ago that indicated that we were seeing an
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  Speaker 4: upswing in publicans patronage, and that's a good thing, as
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  Speaker 4: I was saying before. But again I don't think we
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  Speaker 4: needed to go to fifty cent and in other words,
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  Speaker 4: almost free to get such a result. Affairs were too high.
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  Speaker 4: By bringing them down to a sensible affordable level for people,
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  Speaker 4: I think you would have got a similar result without
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  Speaker 4: the gaping hemorrhaging of the finances in supporting the PT system.
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  Speaker 1: Just before we go. I can't believe it's been three
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  Speaker 1: and a half years since Brisbane was announced as the
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty two Olympic host. Still no final decision on
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  Speaker 1: where you're going to put the main stadium. One hundred
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  Speaker 1: day review is now assessing the infrastructure for the games.
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  Speaker 1: Premier Chris of Fooley said he won't build any stadiums
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  Speaker 1: before the election. Well as now they're talking again about
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  Speaker 1: Victoria Park. Your least favorite place you had former Premier
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  Speaker 1: Anastasia Palachet in January saying the IOC must be asking
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here. That's a bit of a stretch
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  Speaker 1: for her to get back involved, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: It was interesting that she did intervene, but I think
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  Speaker 4: she's belled the cat on what I think is going on.
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  Speaker 4: That there's a clear agenda being steered by various people
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  Speaker 4: across Brisbane to try and put it in Victoria Park,
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  Speaker 4: which is an outrage and the IOC should be having
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  Speaker 4: a look at this, mate, because take the London Olympics,
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  Speaker 4: it would have been convenient, It would have been wonderful
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  Speaker 4: to put the Olympic stadium in Hyde Park. Ridiculous suggestion
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  Speaker 4: Paris didn't put their Olympic stadium in the Wire Boulogne
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  Speaker 4: or the Luxembourg Gardens. Sydney could have put the Olympic
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  Speaker 4: stadium in Hyde Sorry that the domain would have been
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  Speaker 4: adjacent to the CBD, Great public transport. All the arguments
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  Speaker 4: the usual suspects are using around Brisbane.
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  Speaker 1: To destroy a park.
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  Speaker 4: The IAC want to see a legacy left, not the
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  Speaker 4: destruction of wonderful inner city green space. There are other
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  Speaker 4: places that this new stadium should go. And that's why
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  Speaker 4: I am going to be a firm opponent of what's
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  Speaker 4: been proposed. And by the way, if proponents of stadium
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  Speaker 4: in the Park think they're going to get.
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  Speaker 6: An easy run, think again.
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  Speaker 4: You will be opposed tooth and nail by the community
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: with every measure, particularly legal measures at the community's disposal.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: So you've been warned there'll be more delay and obstruction
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: if you try Victoria Park.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Go for it, Campbell, Thank you mate. I'll talk to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you next Friday night. And coming up after the break
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: cause for our political leaders to protect women's sport from men.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: And in breaking news, Canberra has intervened in the puberty
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: blocker bands in Queensland. Plus as the Prime Minister continues
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to spiral in the polls, what can we expect as
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Parliament resumes next week. Welcome back to Steve Price Media. Now.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: One of the first things the newly elected President Donald
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Trump put on the agenda forgive the punt was gender.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: He said there was two genders. There was male and female.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: It will henceforth be the official policy of the United
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: States government that there are only two genders and female.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Well, there's our calls in this country for both sides
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of politics to adopt that attitude. Now, good luck convincing
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: any labor government, state or federal to do that. They're
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: so far down the gender road that there may be
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: no going back. Sadly, how many areas controlled by the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: federal or state governments and local councils have, for example,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: non gendered bathrooms. I mean I even encountered them at
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Australia and Open the other day. Many people I speak
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: with are concerned we could end up like the US
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and the UK, and I think we might be well
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: on the way. Broadcaster Lucy Zelick joins me in the studio. Welcome,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I want to get your views on males playing female
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: support in a moment. But there was a development today,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: as I mentioned where Canberra the Health Minister Mark Butler
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: has decided to thwart the new Queensland Government's decision Lucy
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to put a ten month pause on puberty blockers. He's
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: calling it a review, but I think it's probably Canberra.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: We know what's the better policy.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: What do you think, Oh, well, there'd be no such
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: thing as these politicians putting politics ahead of progress with there, Steve.
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just the fact that it's taken this
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: long to have this discussion when so many people, several
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: other MP's Frank Pangalo, for example, from South Australia at
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: MP in Tasmania, who've been crying out for change in
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: this space, Women's Forum Australia, who've been advocating very strongly,
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: strongly in this area. Midlain a fantastic reporter on these
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: particular issues. They've been crying out for change in this
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: space and inquiry for years and they've fallen on deaf ears.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: I personally wrote to Minister Butler last year in July,
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: requesting why, particularly off the back of the KAS Review
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: which was released in April of last year, why weren't
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: Australia following suit, given that we do have similar pathways
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: when it comes to treatment to so called gender affirming care.
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: Now he recognized that it was a significant issue, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: he alleged that we have different pathways. Well we don't.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: We both follow the same international standard.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Why has he suddenly had this epiphany? Do you think?
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: Because I think that quite persly, if I had to
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: speculate Steve, I think that he caught wind of what
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: was happening in Queensland Health and the fact that this
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: awful revelation that we've just discovered that children as young
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: as twelve years old were being administered puberty blockers without
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: parental consent, which is a disgrace. I think all of
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: these people deserve to be locked up and put in
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: prison for an extensive period of time for the damage
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: that they've caused. But I think that if, as I said,
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: had to speculate, I think Mark Butler's gotten wind of
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: this and thought we have to get on the hop
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: because when I wrote to him last year request in
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: comment and why we wouldn't be personally investing in an inquiry,
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: I didn't get a response, which is a disgrace because
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: our politicians are here.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: To serve us.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: They work for us, Steve, we are the tax payers,
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: and they should have had a position on this a
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: long time.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I think the politics here is really interesting because I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: think what he's realized is some of these states are
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: going to go rogue on him, and they're going to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: they are going to do their own reviews, their own inquiries,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and they are going to stop this practice. That's where
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I thought the Queen's Land change was going. They called
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it a review, but it would seem to me, Lucy.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: They were going down the road to do what you're saying.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It should be stopped, and I think Butler thinks that
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: they're going rogue, so he's going to take it over.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he can States rights override the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: federal government on that issue, surely, but they have to.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Have a position on this Steve. They couldn't very well
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: bury their heads in the sand while the States and
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: these damning revelations were being revealed to the public and
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: be seen to be doing nothing about it. In South
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: Australia last year, the so called gender Affirming Care clinic
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: had eighty eight children that had been administered to receive
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: some type of care. One of them was as young
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: as three years old. This is a scandal as big as,
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: if not larger than the solide My tragedy in my
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: example where the TGA were told no, don't sell this
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: product to women who are pregnant and the Australian government
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: failed to act. This is the same situation. They're failing
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: to act and they have put these children in irreversible
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: and irreparable damage in herms.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: So I'm Peter Dutton, what are you doing? What are
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: you telling me to do in lead up to an.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Election, stand up and advocate for women first and foremotes
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: and say as very simply as Trump put it, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: will not support biological men competing in women's sports. I
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: will not endorse them entering female only spaces. I will
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: not endorse them being housed in female prisons, and put
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: an end to this madness. It doesn't have to be.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: As David little Proud said, this does not have to
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: be an emotional issue. You just have to make it
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: abundantly clear that that's something that you will have a
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: position on. But he didn't. Steve. I asked him a
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks ago when I was filling in it
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: two GB afternoons. I wanted him to come on and
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: to see that the coalition will be strong on this
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: nil response at the time because they said, oh, he's studying.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Campaign on it, So man up.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Show the courage that you've shown when it comes to
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: unifying Australia and all being as one. I supported Peter Dutton.
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: I support his nuclear energy stance. I support his stance
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: on bringing in sovereign borders and protecting our borders and
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: reintroducing that legislation. And I think that he is a
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: great leader, but on this particular issue he's shown cowardice
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: and I don't understand why. I have a theory why.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: He's probably afraid of what happened in twenty twenty two
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: with Catherine Deves right when she took a position on
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: the matter and was villainized and lost the seat. By
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: the way, she deserves an apology, as just so many
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: women who've spoken out and men by the way on
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: this particular issue. But he's showing cowardice. And I will
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: not vote for a man that will not stand up
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: and put progress ahead of pology.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very interesting if he
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't change between now and the election. Keep up the fight.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of Australians agree with you very much.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in. Thank you, Steve, Lucy is Alec there,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time. Now coming up,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: there is an election on the way, and as I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: said at the top of the program, Federal Parliament's going
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to resume first sitting of the year will be next week.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Both parties clearly have the eye on the election. The
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister is going to obviously be desperate to rest
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: back the narrative. I mean it was a disastrous summer
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: for him. As for Peter Dutton, who we were just
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: talking about, I'll spend the sitting fortnite trying to land
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: as many blows as possible, and I suspect security is
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: going to be one of those blows. It's going to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: be extremely interesting joining me to explain how it all
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: might play out. DPG Advisory Solutions Founder and director David David,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Start with the summer break.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: It's been a summer from hell for Anthony Albanesi, hasn't it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Look you expect Anthony Albanesi, And I think he tried
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: really hard to sort of set a bit of a
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: new narrative and reset the political agenda heading into twenty
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: twenty five, an election year.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: We all know that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: He burst out of the blocks early in January, you know,
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: so early that it sort of raised eyebrows across coalition
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: strategists who you know, sort of want to honor the
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: no politics zone while people are on the beach. But
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: Anthony Albanzi was keen to steal a bit of a march.
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: Was interesting that Peter Dutton decided.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Not to follow him.
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: He just let him go on his own and I
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: get sort of you know, says a lot, says speaks
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: volumes of where Peter Dutton sees Anthony Beneasy managing to
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: lose votes while he's out talking about issues that he
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: doesn't really feel comfortable on, and one of them being
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: a security obviously, something that continues to dog his campaign
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: and take him off message while he tries to reset
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: the agenda.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: You and I've been around a long time. I don't
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: ever recall a sitting prime minister, indeed an opposition leader
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: using January to campaign.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was extraordinarily early. It sort of showed I
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: think how far behind he is in the polls. Don't
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: forget that there's been a steady decline that really has
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: been he's been unable to shake over the course of
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: the last eighteen months.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So he's really in a race against time now.
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: I think he's rolled the dice and hoped there's going
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: to be an interest right cut. Inflation is obviously falling
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: and he's banking on an interest rate cut doing what
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: he hasn't been able to do over January and reset
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: the agenda. Whether that's possible or not is a very
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: live question for him because the longer he goes, you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: based on just the trajectory of the numbers.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: For him, the more or he falls in the pole.
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: So he sort of rolled all the dies hoping for
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: an interest rate cut to do what he's been able
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: to do over the last eighteen months.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: You've covered a lot of You've been involved a lot
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of campaigns. How do you get out and sell I mean, say,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank either on Tuesday week or even you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: next month, says okay, we're going to cut the interest
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: rate by two five percent. How do you get out
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and sell that as a massive plus? When we've had
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: twelve interest rate rises And I ended up talking to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: someone with a mortgage today he said, well, how much
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: is that going to mean to me? I mean, it's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: not a huge amount of money, and all the other
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: prices keep going up. Plus on top of that, we've
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: still got the broken electricity two hundred and seventy five
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: dollars electricity cut promise. I mean, how are they going
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: to how are they going to shape that message and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: believe that anyone's going to believe it?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're right, that's the challenge for him.
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: You're sort of talking about fifty to seventy five dollars
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: a week, when the coalition is already out there poisoning
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: the world by pointing out that, you know, you're sort
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: of five or six thousand dollars a month worse off.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So you would want to see interest rates come down.
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: Their message would be, we've delivered two surplus budgets, large
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: off the back of minerals resources and revenue they've received
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: from the mining sector. But they've delivered two surplus budgets
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: and we've broken the back of inflation. Give us another go.
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: Inflation's on its way down. We've just started the job.
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: That would be their message, and I'm sure you'd see
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor continue with, look, your six thousand
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: dollars a month worse off or whatever it is. You know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: this is a drop in the bucket compared to where
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: you are. And meanwhile your energy prices are going up
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: and the grid's unstable as a result. So you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: I think it is a challenge. No doubt that the
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: late money too. In reading the press today from some
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: well informed RBA observers, is that the RBA may state
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: stand pat and not deliver a cut. Looking for a
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: lead out of the US, So that would be the
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: worst of all worlds for the LP.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: No rate cut end a continued slide in the polls.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'd have to then bring down a budget.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: David GA, thanks for your time very much. We'll catch
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: up with this shortly after the break. My mate, cartoonist
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Mark Knight is back with his cartoons of the week,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: plus serious concerns about the impact of Labour's proposed tax
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: hike on your superannuation. Welcome back. The government's coming after
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: your superannuation or some of your superannuation. Details on that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in just one moment. As I said, summers over, school,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: holidays are over, kids are back at school and we're
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: back into the thicker things. And I'm pleased to say
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: our favorite cartoonist, The Herald Sun's Mark Knight joins us
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: every couple of weeks with the cartoons of the week,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and he's back drawing. I hope you had a great
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: summer vacation. Did you When a cartoonist goes on holidays,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: do you not draw anything? Do you just put the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: away and concentrate on having a good time.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Well, funnily enough, Steve, I do actually like to draw
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: for pleasure and it's usually laying on a beach with
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: a little little sketch pad, just you know, just drawing
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: various bodies you see on the beach, which I might
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: be able to use later in the cartoon somewhere, because
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: when people lay on the beach, they are you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: they're there for you to jot down. So that's the
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: only thing I was doing with the pen.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Mate.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: It's glad to see you back in the newspaper. We've
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: missed you. Victoria's got a by election coming up on
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Saturday week in two seats, Pran and Weerribee, which I've
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: written a column about in the Herald Sun today which
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: will be up online quite now. You drew a cartoon
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: about the Victorian by election. Now, for those non Victorians
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: watching us, what's a toilet got to do with the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: weerribe by election? Mark, Well, I think all Victorians are
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: maybe some Australian to know that Werribee is where all
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: our what shall we say to try to go Steve, that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Is the Weerribee sewerage works. And it just so happens
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: that Werribee is the source of this by election. So
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: labor's not doing very well down here. So I suggest
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: if you cast a vote for them, the best way
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: to do it is to plunk it down the old
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: toilet bowl and it'll make its way to wear abe eventually.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I love that because I hadn't made that connection. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: clearly your brain works differently to mine. Now, Donald Trump,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he's giving you so much to draw, so many cartoons
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to do you think he's on a bit of a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: roller coaster. Explain this to me. Look, it's just.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: You know, from day one he hit the desk and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: he was sign signing various orders and issue and fulfilling
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: his election promises. And it's just going to be a
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: wild ride for the next four years, no doubt about that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: And you know I thought I were just to pict
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: that with Donald on the coaster. Of course, Junior is
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: in the background, his Health Secretary nominee, and it's just
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: going to be one hell of a ride. So fasten
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: your SEATBELTSU.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait for some theme park in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the somewhere in the world to put on a Trump
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: roller coaster. I want to just talk quickly about Johannesalnas
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: cartoons in The Australian. Just tell take me through his
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: piece on Anthony Albanez he putting pouring manure on terror
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: caravan questions.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Look, it's the great technique that governments use with us
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and it's to treat us like mushrooms with and if
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I can say it politely, that is keep us in
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the dark and feed us. Well you know the stuff
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: you find it wearribe And apparently that is what has
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: happened with this suspected caravan full of explosive that it
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: wasn't actually released for the public for quite some time.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: So I think that's a great cartoon from johannas a
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: real ripper.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I look forward to you. Cartoon's being back full time
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: six days a week, seven days a week in the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: heralds un Mark. Thank you mate, I'll talk to you
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. That's our great Mark Knight. Now,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: still on politics, Labour's going to go into the election
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: make it clear that they intend to target Australians with
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: big superannuation accounts. Indeed, they want to go to the
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: polls bragging how they've ripped into taxpayers who have super
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: funds valued at over three million dollars. Our laws to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: grab a biggest share via a doubling of the tax
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: paid on earnings over three million have already passed the
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: lower House, but they are stalled in the Senate with
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the Crossbench calling for some amendments. Now the government is
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: desperate to ram this through next week. Representatives from the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Self Managed Superannuation Fund Association are going to be in
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Canberra lobbying against this next week. They're worried the reforms
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: could impact on people who have assets, small businesses and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: farms in their super funds. Everybody gets confused by super
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: so we thought we'd chat to the s s F
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Association CEO, Peter Burgess. It joins us. Now can you Peter, thanks,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Can you explain what Labour's trying to do here?
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: Yes, hello, Steve.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: Look that the purpose of this new tax.
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: Is to improve the fairness of the superneroation system by
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: clawing back some of the superherotion tax and sessions that
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: people with balances over three million dollars received from their supernoation.
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: But you know, i'd make the point that this is
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: no ordinary new tax. It's certainly not your run of
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: the mill new tax. It's a tax not just on
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: your supernoation investment earnings, but also on supernoation investment earnings
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: that your fund has not received and may not ever receive.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: It's a it's a tax on unrealized capital gains. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: that's what makes this tax so unusual, which what makes
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: it so controversial, and dare I say it so unpopular?
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: And getting back to my point about you know, the
• 34:59
  Speaker 9: purpose of this tax is to improve the fairness of
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: the supernerotion system. There's nothing fair or requidable about taxing
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: unrealized capital gains.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: How is the tax office going to calculate that?
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so the way it will be calculated, it's based
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: on the increase in the value of your balance during
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: the course of the financial year. So they look at
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: your balance at the start of the year, and at
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: the end of the year they net off any contributions
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: and withdrawals that you may have made and what's left
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: is investment earnings. Now, the problem with that approach is
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: that the balance that you see on your members statement
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: when you receive it every year includes unrealized capital gains.
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: So by basing it on the increase in your balance
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: from the start to the end of the year, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: are picking up unrealized capital gains in that calculation. Now,
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: I should just make it clear that you're only paying
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: this tax on the proportion of those earnings above three
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: million dollars.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: So that's how it's calculated.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: As I said, it's it's it's worked on the increase
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: in the in the balance of you of your your
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: super during the course of the year, with adjustments made
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: for contributions and with rules.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: So I mean, if you've got shares in your superannuation fund,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: that they're estimating what those shares would be worth if
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you sold them.
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: Well, that's right, because the increase in that value of
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: your shares is reflected in your balance at the end
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: of the year, so it includes that unrealized gain. Your
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: fund has not physically received that gain. It's just an
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: increase in the paper value of your investments at that time.
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: And so you'll be asked to pay tax on that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 9: And that's you know, that's a fundamental departure from our
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: tax system, where we've only ever paid tax on income
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: that we've received. And the problem with this approach is
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: it's likely to cause liquidity stress for for people because
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: they're being asked to pay tax on amounts that they
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: haven't received. So for many they're going to have to
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: dip into their their cash reserves or sell assets in
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: order to find the money that they're going to need
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: to pay this tax, because as I've said, it's based
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: on an unrealized gain. You physically have not received that gain.
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: It's based on the paper value increase.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: As I said, you've got to be punished. Next week
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you have to go to cambrid to do some lobbying.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you, But are you getting from
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the cross bench? Are you getting a sympathetic ear? And
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: what's your best best guess on where they might land?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know Pocock for example, Center the Pocock
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: is very doubtful about this. Is there any regal room
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: for the government in terms of amendments that might get
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the cross bench across the line?
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: Do you think, well, the cross Bench is really concerned
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: about the taxation of unrealized capital gains and so they
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: should be. As I said, we haven't seen this before
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: and it has the potential to cause liquidity stress for
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: many small businesses as well as farmers. We know that
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: there's over seventeen thousand self many Super Fun members own
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: a business premise in their self. Many Super Fun mainly
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: small business premises and primary production land and they will
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: be impacted by this tax from day one, and that's
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: a real concern to the Senate cross Bench. Also, the
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: lack of indexation with this three million dollar threshold, there
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: is no planned indexation, so this tax will eventually impact
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: a lot more people over time. So you, as it stands,
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: we don't believe the government has the support for this bill.
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: It is very close to the election, so we think
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: it's too late now for the government. We're doing deals
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: and horse trading of the Senate cross Bench. So if
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: the government wants to push ahead with this bill, really
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: the only way forward is to put forward some amendments
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: to the Senate cross Bench. And the problem I've got
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: is there is no quick fix to the issue of
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: taxing unrealized capital gains. The unusual method in which they're
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: using to calculate an artificial and inflated measure of earnings,
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: it's very difficult to strip out the unrealized capital gains,
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: so there.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Is no quick fix.
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: Whatever amendments they come up with will only add additional
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: complexity and no doubt additional cost into the system.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: We'll watch it with great interest. Peter, thank you very
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: much for your time and good luck in Camber next
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: week after the break. How the wope they sayers are
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: spurring on the crisis in recruitment we're seeing in the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Australian Defense Force. Plus bad news for beer drinkers the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: federal governments set to slug them with even higher taxes.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: How high will it go? More? With our panel up next,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Welcome back now. Despite growing global instability, not to mention
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a bellicoast, China constantly pushing boundaries to the Australian Defense
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Force and I found this intriguing. Today is floundering. Last
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: year the ADF was forced to slash its workforce target
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: by nearly five thousand. I mean Former Chief of the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Army Peter layweight In today is pointed to a decline
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: in national pride, arguing a culture of entitlement, identity politics
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and victimhood is diminishing the pool of potential recruits. Is
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that true? Joined me now to discuss our great panel.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: They joined us each week Small business Women in Australia
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: c Mandero's great to see you in the flesh, yes,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and on my left, I wonder why he's on thefne
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the left Sky News contributor to have it here and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it's great to be here. Would you join the army
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: if you were eighteen?
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: Look, I wouldn't, But that's only because I am a
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: sibling coward and not because I have any problem with you.
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: In fact, quite the opposite of the army. Of the
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: Australian Army actually saved my life. When I was a kid,
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: we were driving around Australia and we were driving out
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: to Lake Air. Foolishly we were in a two wheel drive.
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: We got bogged. I didn't realize how dangerous was at
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: the time of man a lunatic, absolute lunatic card carrying.
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: It was the most insane thing. And we got stuck
• 40:49
  Speaker 10: there and I realized now. I remember my mum and
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: her special friend were very, very very worried. Then there
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: was this rumble and basically an entire battalion of the
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: Australian was going on an exercise and they basically just
• 41:02
  Speaker 10: picked up the van sent us away and basically we
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: do these exercises, you know, once every two years.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: So I always thought that the Australian Army was just
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: this amazing sort of and didn't an amazing thing. But
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: it is a shame that I think that the left.
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: I think we need the left to find its patriotism
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: again and national and I think that is going to happen.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the problems advertising, I don't think
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that they They haven't ever come up again with a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: really good ad campaign. Now, I thought during that period
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: when they were convincing people that you could get a
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: second career by joining the Air Force or the Navy
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: or the Army, and then you could go through your
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: training come out as an engineer or whatever, a pilot. Yes,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: that's how you attract people.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: It's really it is.
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: And I work with so I've worked with the Navy,
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: in the Air Force and a range of things, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 11: the women in particular that I work with, they love
• 41:59
  Speaker 11: it because they do get their qualifications and it is
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: a way, it's a pathway from many people that isn't communicated.
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: But when you look at it, we have a rising
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: youth crime epidemic and we have a drop in numbers
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: with the ADF. So if you're a repeat offender, I
• 42:16
  Speaker 11: think it would be wise that instead of sending them
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: to jail or back out on the street, put them
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: in the Army for a year in the reserve. They
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: will earn respect, discipline, give them hope, a vision and
• 42:28
  Speaker 11: if they do really well, okay you can leave now
• 42:30
  Speaker 11: get back into society, or they might want to stay,
• 42:32
  Speaker 11: continue and do a degree.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Million years ago I tried to join the navy and
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: they said you're too short. No, they don't want short,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't know why you have to be told with.
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: Then everyone who's looking at the bell bottoms.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Beer drinking that's something, and a drinks that's right because
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: it's index every quarter, I think it is. The excise
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: goes up yet, I guess, and the treasurer of Jim
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Chalmers has tried to get on the front foot. He
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: warn pubs and bottle shops not to use this as
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: an excuse to rip off customers will of course, if
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the government's given the excise increase the pubs passed it on,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: they will pass.
• 43:10
  Speaker 10: It on, although of course Jim's Jim Charmers, has made
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: the point that in fact the rise is less than
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: one cent per pint of beer or schooner for us
• 43:19
  Speaker 10: civilized people in Sydney. So I do actually think there
• 43:23
  Speaker 10: has been some opportunistic price gouging during the cost of
• 43:26
  Speaker 10: living crisis where all these providal when broke during no
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: but not with not necessarily with pubs themselves, and good
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: on them, and guide the price of a schooner these
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: days would make your eyes water.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Exercise, it's ridiculous. Yeah, that's right.
• 43:39
  Speaker 10: And there's also a massive gap between in Sydney East
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: and West as well, so out west you can still
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: get a beer for five bucks in some place.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Sydneys have been completely different places though, because you've got
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: all the clubs as well, and the clubs for the
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Costomer Act.
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: Just remember this is around four point seven billion dollars
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: of the government's raking in with this right, so they
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: don't want to actually hold any accountability responsibility to say,
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: you know what, maybe we should put it on pause,
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: maybe we should pass it on. And what's interesting to
• 44:10
  Speaker 11: say not to pass it on to the consumer is
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: contradicting the justification they have for having the actual tax.
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: They say the tax is supposed to discourage people from
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: excessive alcohol consumption. So if it's not passed on to
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: the person consuming the alcohol, which is what he's telling
• 44:25
  Speaker 11: people not to do, then why do you have the
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: tax in the first place.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: The tax seems like a very old thing, but I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: think I just need crisis. I mean, one thing you
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: should try and keep down is the price of beer.
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: That's right, because drinking beer is the only way you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 10: going to get through the cost of living crisis and
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: through Amanda.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Supermarkets around the country apparently is struggling. I can't believe this,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: to stock eggs with apparently Avian disease outbreak. I've never
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: witnessed this.
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: Doing my head, it is, but it's a great opportunity
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: because if you go to your local farmer's market, if
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: you go to potentially IgA the butcher, they all have
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: different suppliers. So I go to a local farm in
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: the hills and I get organic eggs and they always
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: have supply. So great opportunity for you to support a
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: small business or you know, a farming business or anyone
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: or an IgA, because it's the large supermarkets that actually
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: have the issue, not others.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It's amazing experiences.
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I do heats and shrug. I just
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: basically live in supermarkets these days. And all the eggs
• 45:30
  Speaker 10: have been stop completely sold out for months now, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: my goals and also yep, and certainly the free range
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: eggs as will always disappear, and then you can see
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: all these people going do I dare buy caged eggs.
• 45:44
  Speaker 11: Is anybody looking, oh, Joey's all the same with different I.
• 45:48
  Speaker 12: Know that I was about to go for this sort
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: of you know, the barn laid and I thought, oh,
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: this come back, and I noticed, you know, a young
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: a young good looking hipster looking at me is going
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: I'm going, oh, put it down.
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: But I was actually the last time I of the
• 46:00
  Speaker 10: supermarket shopping two things I couldn't get on the list
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: that myf give me. The toiletbet was there, but it
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: was a chicken and the eggs, and I don't know
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: which came first. Chicken, Yeah, I couldn't get You couldn't
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: get a raw chicken from a roast chalk to put
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: in the oven.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you both, just briefly about this
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: whole issue with the caravan and the explosives that have
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: been found in it. I want to ask you something
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: specific about this. How surprised, Amanda, are you that the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Prime Minister of the country wasn't told for nine days?
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: Well, you've got to ask why It's simple? Is this
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: a process, a policy issue?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Is deliberate?
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: Was it something that they don't want to do unless
• 46:43
  Speaker 11: they find out more information and The thing is, we
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: can't comment on that unless they're going to actually share
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: what actually happened. So does it need to be an
• 46:49
  Speaker 11: independent investigation of why that was the case. But in
• 46:52
  Speaker 11: all honesty, if I was the prime minister of a
• 46:54
  Speaker 11: country and there was any form of terror or explosives
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: or anything like that, I do want to know instantly.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: I think it'd be a jurisdictional thing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 10: Obviously it was New South Wales Police who were the
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: lead invesiking body and.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: The Premier knew the day after.
• 47:07
  Speaker 10: And that's right, so because he's obviously the person ultimately in.
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: Charge of the police New South Wales. So I don't
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: know why.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: How politics works. I mean, if Chrispiins was told that,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you pick the phone up to the Prime Minister
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: who's a Sydney MP and so yeah, I need to
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: just bring you into our confidence here. Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: Look, I can't for the life of me, I don't
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: I know that.
• 47:31
  Speaker 10: The Premier, and he's said this publicly as well, has
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: said that he was simply following what the police wanted,
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: which was to keep it, which is to not go
• 47:40
  Speaker 10: public with it. With it why that didn't extend to him?
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: You know, whether or not.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: That extends to him formally at the Telegraph about whether
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to run that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: I think once you get ahold of that, I'm not
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: expecting you. No, no, no, that's right.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: No.
• 47:52
  Speaker 10: Once once you get a hold of a story like that,
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: I think you almost unless there was a really really
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: compelling reason not to.
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: And I think the question of I won't be told earlier.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It proves the right decisions Before we go the NAB bank,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: they're thinking of opening branches on the Wednday, No one
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: goes to bank? Can someoneuntil the NAB no one goes
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: to the bank.
• 48:10
  Speaker 11: Yes, But also, let's not give you credit because this
• 48:13
  Speaker 11: time last year they closed thirty six branches, so they're
• 48:15
  Speaker 11: only opening a extra day on the branches they didn't close.
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: So how about you open more branches and regional other
• 48:21
  Speaker 11: areas that you shut Or is that.
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: Their argument that they now have to.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Keep people to travel? So if you went to a bank,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what you probably do?
• 48:29
  Speaker 11: I do because I I that they should stay open.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: Should camp?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think you make me great broad They're closing all
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: these branches and yet they're going to open on Sunday.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense. Joe hilbre face to face, Amanda. Great
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: to see you face to face coming up after me.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Rowan Dean. Now this is the world according to Rowan Deane.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. Rowan Deane's here on
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: a Friday night full time these days. Plus you can
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: catch them on Sunday morning. See you next Friday.