Transcript

Credlin | 17 June · Credlin

0:02
Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
0:09
Speaker 1: to the show on what has really been Hanson Day
0:12
Speaker 1: in Canberra, the speech, the protests and the questions. We've
0:16
Speaker 1: got it all for you covered tonight. Steve Price filling
0:19
Speaker 1: in for Peter Credlin tonight and tomorrow night. In my view,
0:22
Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen today brained it. Here's what's coming up on
0:25
Speaker 1: Credlin tonight in US A moment Pauline Hanson. Impressive debut
0:30
Speaker 1: at the Press Club, but questions tonight after a significant
0:34
Speaker 1: security Bredge will bring you the statement from the Press
0:37
Speaker 1: Club itself, and the AFP have put their own statement out,
0:41
Speaker 1: news that they are now investigating. That's all to come shortly. Internationally,
0:45
Speaker 1: President Donald Trump from the G seven at Evian in France,
0:49
Speaker 1: doubles down on his Iran dial gives Israeli PM Netnyahu
0:54
Speaker 1: a clip on the way through. Plus a foiled terror
0:57
Speaker 1: attack on the Washington UFC White Fight. We'll catch up
1:01
Speaker 1: with retired Major General Gus McLaughlin also tonight. Doomsayers. They're
1:07
Speaker 1: up and about yesterday thundering about a new El Nino
1:10
Speaker 1: that normally means drought Graham Lloyd, Environment editor for The Australian.
1:15
Speaker 1: He'll join us and tell us what it really means.
1:18
Speaker 1: Class sits Wednesday night and my old mate Kel Richards
1:22
Speaker 1: rounds out the show. But first Tom connells shortly He
1:27
Speaker 1: sat on the left hand side of that stage today
1:29
Speaker 1: for One Nation leader Pauline Hanson's first speech at the
1:32
Speaker 1: Press Club and for anyone who hasn't heard or watched it.
1:36
Speaker 1: In my view, she outperformed and defied her critics. She
1:41
Speaker 1: also refused to be wound up as hard as Tom tried.
1:45
Speaker 1: She has a new level of confidence I think, and
1:47
Speaker 1: having interviewed her countless times, she's not only arrived but
1:51
Speaker 1: is a real threat now to the establishment parties. But
1:55
Speaker 1: to give you an insight, a real insight, this is
1:58
Speaker 1: the part of her address speech and I watched it
2:01
Speaker 1: all that struck me as one of the key reasons. No,
2:06
Speaker 1: the real reason that her popularity is soaring is this
2:10
Speaker 1: passage shining a light on modern Australia today.
2:14
Speaker 2: Have a look.
2:16
Speaker 3: Nineteen percent said they'd eaten food from a rubbish bin
2:20
Speaker 3: in the past twelve months, ninety one percent said they
2:24
Speaker 3: had skipped meals, and thirty two percent said they do
2:28
Speaker 3: so on a daily basis. Thirty five percent said they
2:32
Speaker 3: survived on only one meal a day. Forty nine percent
2:36
Speaker 3: said they go to public places like shopping centers to
2:39
Speaker 3: keep warmer cool. Fifty one percent can't afford a doctor,
2:43
Speaker 3: dentist or optometrist fifty one percent and forty six percent
2:49
Speaker 3: can't afford prescription medicine. This is unacceptable, highly unacceptable to
2:58
Speaker 3: me and my colleagues and my party.
3:03
Speaker 1: Of course, it's unacceptable Australians eating food out of rubbish bins.
3:06
Speaker 1: I mean, when is the last time you heard a
3:08
Speaker 1: traditional politician from the Labor Party or the Coalition speaking
3:12
Speaker 1: about such things?
3:13
Speaker 2: You don't?
3:15
Speaker 1: She spoke about it. She opened a speech that went
3:17
Speaker 1: for almost an hour, which is twice the length they
3:20
Speaker 1: normally do, with an opening gabbet about housing and immigration.
3:25
Speaker 3: This beautiful country belongs to all Australians born here and
3:29
Speaker 3: those who have come to join us. I would like
3:34
Speaker 3: to acknowledge the men and women that have sacrificed their
3:38
Speaker 3: lives for our democracy, our freedom, for our country, and
3:42
Speaker 3: also to those migrants, those people that have worked extremely hard,
3:47
Speaker 3: and those are strands born here with their blood, sweat
3:49
Speaker 3: and tears to build this nation into the beautiful country
3:52
Speaker 3: that it is today.
3:55
Speaker 1: Now you know why her numbers are sowing. She talked
3:57
Speaker 1: about migrant numbers. She gave us stats about people not
4:00
Speaker 1: speaking English at home.
4:04
Speaker 3: Only a fool would ignore the growing language problem, which
4:09
Speaker 3: is a function of immigration. Again, the twenty twenty one
4:15
Speaker 3: census shown that one in four people twenty three percent
4:18
Speaker 3: speak a language other than English at home, the most
4:22
Speaker 3: common being Mandarin and Arabic.
4:26
Speaker 1: I'm not sure too many people could argue with any
4:29
Speaker 1: of that. I'm not sure they could, and particularly the
4:31
Speaker 1: people who were sitting in that room, they would have
4:34
Speaker 1: been horrified that they had to sit there and listen
4:36
Speaker 1: to that. But this is the sort of language that
4:39
Speaker 1: is making her popular, and that's what we need to hear.
4:42
Speaker 1: I mean sentiments. And if you want a reason why
4:44
Speaker 1: her polls are soaring, have a listened to her policy
4:48
Speaker 1: regarding radical Islam.
4:51
Speaker 3: I am not frightened, and nor is one nation. There
4:55
Speaker 3: is no room for hate preachers in this country. If
5:00
Speaker 3: they have arrived here, they will be deported. If they
5:04
Speaker 3: were born here, they will face the full force of
5:07
Speaker 3: the law.
5:10
Speaker 1: She's right again. She's also zeroing in on where migrants
5:14
Speaker 1: should actually come from.
5:17
Speaker 3: It's why my policy will restrict immigration from places immersed
5:21
Speaker 3: in extremism like radical Islam, because that's what most distrands want,
5:27
Speaker 3: especially after Bondi and the return of isis Bride terraces.
5:32
Speaker 3: Make no mistake here, one nation is dedicated to fighting
5:37
Speaker 3: against radical Islam and the obvious threat it represents to
5:42
Speaker 3: the peace of our country and the safety of our community.
5:47
Speaker 1: Look, this much anticipated speech over delivered, and for someone
5:51
Speaker 1: like me who's watched a lot of these press club addresses,
5:55
Speaker 1: I was amazed, no impressed on how she handled the
5:58
Speaker 1: media press gallery who can consider themselves so smart? She
6:02
Speaker 1: literally smashed them. And the reason she could do that
6:05
Speaker 1: is that every word she spoke wasn't formed out of
6:09
Speaker 1: some focus group. It didn't come from an office full
6:12
Speaker 1: of advisers, It wasn't formed around factions and political polsters.
6:17
Speaker 1: She believes what she actually says. Even near the end,
6:21
Speaker 1: when one nine newspaper reporter tried to got your question
6:25
Speaker 1: on Muslim migration, she shut him down.
6:29
Speaker 4: Is Australia in danger of being swamped by Muslim migration?
6:34
Speaker 3: Not if I got any saying it. I'm not apologizing
6:37
Speaker 3: for anything and I've seen too much footage on our
6:42
Speaker 3: TVs from what's happened in Britain, Canada, France, Germany. They're
6:47
Speaker 3: all just absolutely.
6:50
Speaker 1: So that's something you're guarding against a Sholes.
6:53
Speaker 3: Yes, and I don't want Australia to become like that.
6:57
Speaker 1: Then we have the Guardian, we've got your question two.
7:01
Speaker 1: They got personal about Pauline Hanson's daughter and Copta real.
7:05
Speaker 5: Blast Senator Hanson. Sarah Martin from the Guardian, taxpayers are
7:09
Speaker 5: paying more than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars a
7:11
Speaker 5: year for your daughter, Lee Hanson to seemingly campaign full
7:15
Speaker 5: time in Tasmania while employee is a political advisor for
7:18
Speaker 5: a new South Wales senator. Did you have any role
7:20
Speaker 5: in appointing her to that position?
7:23
Speaker 3: Honestly, you never give up. I've never seen a person
7:27
Speaker 3: that's such a trashy journalist, you know, and what you
7:31
Speaker 3: put out all the time. You've got this obsession with
7:35
Speaker 3: constantly trying to pull down myself, my party or missus Reinhart.
7:38
Speaker 3: Whatever you do, you will be banned from my answering.
7:42
Speaker 3: I'll ask you this question day, but I'm telling you
7:44
Speaker 3: now don't come near me for an interview in future
7:47
Speaker 3: because of twenty five of your articles. It's always twenty
7:51
Speaker 3: eight articles. Is constantly bashing one nation. You don't research properly,
7:55
Speaker 3: you don't know your information, and you will put out
7:57
Speaker 3: lies about me. Well, I've had enough of that.
8:01
Speaker 1: Take that, and Pauline got stronger the longer it went,
8:04
Speaker 1: and the major parties watching this tonight will be having
8:06
Speaker 1: a very restless night. We've known Pauline and James Ashby,
8:10
Speaker 1: her advisor here on Sky for a long time. Now
8:13
Speaker 1: that peer front up. They front up to Peter Kredlin,
8:15
Speaker 1: who does this show normally, to Andrew Bolt, my old
8:18
Speaker 1: mate who comes on after this, to Chris Kenny, Shari Marks,
8:21
Speaker 1: and Paul Murray. I mean, don't worry, none of those
8:24
Speaker 1: people I just mentioned, or anyone else here shies away
8:27
Speaker 1: from asking Pauline, Hanson and Ashby tough questions. I'm going
8:31
Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see how this event today
8:34
Speaker 1: was reported tomorrow, and I'll let you know tomorrow night.
8:41
Speaker 1: Tad to Cameron now for tonight's political headlines with Sky
8:43
Speaker 1: News political reporter Tritty Macintosh.
8:46
Speaker 6: Meeting the next generation, the Prime Minister brushes up on
8:51
Speaker 6: his coloring.
8:52
Speaker 7: It's a dog.
8:54
Speaker 6: As he extends taxpayer funded pay rises for childcare staff
8:58
Speaker 6: for another eighteen months.
9:00
Speaker 2: It sure is a big announcement.
9:02
Speaker 6: The fifteen percent rise cost taxpayers another three point six billion.
9:06
Speaker 6: In total, its costs more than seven point two billion
9:09
Speaker 6: since twenty twenty four.
9:10
Speaker 8: It's not babysitting, it's early education. What happens here changes lives,
9:16
Speaker 8: and you wouldn't know that from what people used to
9:18
Speaker 8: be paid.
9:19
Speaker 6: Political pressure had been building. The wage boost was due
9:23
Speaker 6: to expire this December. Workers had been facing pay cuts,
9:26
Speaker 6: parents faced increased fees, and the union had threatened strike
9:30
Speaker 6: action next month.
9:31
Speaker 9: We know that locking in this pay rise will be
9:34
Speaker 9: life changing for our members.
9:36
Speaker 8: If we hadn't done this, the costs for mums and
9:39
Speaker 8: dads would have gone up by seventeen or eighteen percent.
9:42
Speaker 6: Labor had been hoping to avoid it cost the extension
9:45
Speaker 6: so much so the funding wasn't included in last month's
9:48
Speaker 6: federal budget. It had been banking on the Fair Work
9:51
Speaker 6: Commission fast tracking a pay rise for female dominated industries,
9:55
Speaker 6: but in the end that didn't happen. Instead, the independent
9:58
Speaker 6: Umpire decided to in wage increases until twenty twenty nine,
10:02
Speaker 6: citing cost concerns for providers.
10:05
Speaker 10: The question the government can't answer is that when we're
10:08
Speaker 10: sitting here again in two years time, are they going
10:10
Speaker 10: to have to check another three point six billion in
10:12
Speaker 10: because the same problem is going to arise. They've created
10:15
Speaker 10: this wage cliff.
10:16
Speaker 8: If you like, we'll look at that question as we
10:19
Speaker 8: build the early education system over the next few years.
10:22
Speaker 7: Universal childcare is going to cost us way more than that.
10:24
Speaker 10: I think the penny is starting to drop you that
10:27
Speaker 10: we may be seeing the beginnings of another ends if
10:30
Speaker 10: they don't find a way. If they don't find a
10:32
Speaker 10: way to get this under control.
10:33
Speaker 6: The funding only flows in exchange for centers agreeing to
10:36
Speaker 6: cap fee increases for parents, and it can be cut
10:39
Speaker 6: off if providers don't meet safety standards.
10:42
Speaker 8: But we're not mucking around here.
10:44
Speaker 6: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News, Canberra, good on your truity.
10:49
Speaker 1: Thank you for that now. As I said our colleague
10:51
Speaker 1: Tom Connell, he tried his best day to wrangle the
10:54
Speaker 1: Paul En Hanson circus and I don't know how he
10:56
Speaker 1: did it. I'm glad it wasn't me in charge. They're
10:58
Speaker 1: Tom welcome, thanks for hanging around for us. I guess
11:02
Speaker 1: we've got to deal first with this protest banner. Get Up,
11:05
Speaker 1: the far left protest group. They've claim responsibility. We saw
11:09
Speaker 1: it drop down behind you. I think about seventeen or
11:12
Speaker 1: so minutes into the address. The Press Club of which
11:15
Speaker 1: you're the president, put out a statement a short time ago.
11:18
Speaker 1: Now I won't read it all, but part of it
11:19
Speaker 1: says it appears that two people entered the club building
11:22
Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon with our permission and installed a separate drop
11:26
Speaker 1: down screen in front of our media wall light box.
11:29
Speaker 1: It's evident that a further person present during the address
11:32
Speaker 1: activated a remote device to trigger the unfurling of the banner.
11:36
Speaker 1: David Schiraz, who's now working for the Get Up organization,
11:41
Speaker 1: was seen filming the incident on his phone and left
11:44
Speaker 1: abruptly after this all happened. We understand this is going
11:48
Speaker 1: to be part of an AFP investigation. Tom. How seriously
11:52
Speaker 1: is this now being taken as a security breach?
11:57
Speaker 11: I guess one thing to emphasize is this was a
12:00
Speaker 11: secure room, Steve, and you might go, what do you mean,
12:02
Speaker 11: how did you get this sort of thing in there?
12:04
Speaker 11: But there was a police presence sniffer dogs in the
12:07
Speaker 11: room on the day to clear the room. So if
12:10
Speaker 11: there was something you know, nastier than a banner, it
12:14
Speaker 11: would have been found. So I guess that's the thing
12:16
Speaker 11: to emphasize about the security aspect. That this was, you know,
12:20
Speaker 11: an event that had to be secure for obvious reasons,
12:24
Speaker 11: doesn't mean we're not taking this seriously. So we're going
12:26
Speaker 11: to be reviewing all of our various procedures when we
12:28
Speaker 11: have significant events such as this.
12:32
Speaker 7: And obviously things with the police.
12:34
Speaker 11: Right now, we do have a vision that we've sent
12:37
Speaker 11: them can't be released now.
12:39
Speaker 7: What I can tell you is.
12:40
Speaker 11: Yes, there were two people that came in yesterday, and
12:42
Speaker 11: I know people online are going, oh, but this has
12:44
Speaker 11: to be an inside job.
12:46
Speaker 7: Someone you know, had the clicker to do it.
12:49
Speaker 11: Well, someone has installed this miniature sort of portable banner
12:54
Speaker 11: device in on top of the screen, up behind where
12:58
Speaker 11: it can't be seen. So no, one, this was not
13:00
Speaker 11: our device. There was not a clicker that someone picked up.
13:03
Speaker 11: We don't have a dodgy looking banner thing behind on
13:07
Speaker 11: top of our nice looking TV well the back there.
13:10
Speaker 11: In regard to David Chiaz, yes he works for Get Up.
13:13
Speaker 11: He's also a member of the press Club. Anyone that's
13:15
Speaker 11: a former working journalist can apply and be a member.
13:19
Speaker 11: So we'll see how that membership issue plays out in
13:22
Speaker 11: the future. I might just say that subtly enough ahead
13:25
Speaker 11: of our next board meeting. And yeah, he was seen
13:28
Speaker 11: in the room. He was seen filming it, and the
13:30
Speaker 11: angle he filmed was the same angle that get Up released.
13:33
Speaker 11: So you can probably join the dots there, and our
13:36
Speaker 11: hands are a little bit tired that there's a police investigation.
13:39
Speaker 11: Obviously the concern is the access to the building, Steven
13:42
Speaker 11: also property that's been damaged. It's a pretty expensive screen
13:45
Speaker 11: there that's been I understand drilled into to get.
13:49
Speaker 7: This banner put on top of it.
13:52
Speaker 1: Look, Pauline didn't seem all that phase by it. Tom
13:55
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, in your other
13:57
Speaker 1: role as the Sky commentator, are talking about it today
14:00
Speaker 1: and then again tomorrow. This feeds into exactly the sort
14:04
Speaker 1: of popularity that is bubbling along beneath One Nation and
14:08
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson. People watching this tonight at home will go, well,
14:11
Speaker 1: there you go. You know, a hard left group get
14:14
Speaker 1: up trying to embarrass Pauline. It just feeds into the
14:18
Speaker 1: message she wants to have.
14:20
Speaker 7: Well more so as well that she's in the National
14:22
Speaker 7: Press Club.
14:22
Speaker 11: This is where you know, all of the most senior
14:25
Speaker 11: journalists came down.
14:27
Speaker 7: That was a long list list of people to ask
14:29
Speaker 7: her a question.
14:30
Speaker 11: The initial feedback I had was, you know, some of
14:33
Speaker 11: this is most of this is online, Steve. But people saying, oh,
14:36
Speaker 11: it's a conspiracy. You're a stooge, you set this up,
14:38
Speaker 11: You're allowed to happen. You know, why didn't you get
14:41
Speaker 11: up and rip it down? Well, I actually thought it
14:43
Speaker 11: was her banner. Initially, I thought, that's strange, she's going
14:45
Speaker 11: to do a presentation. That's how surprised I was when
14:48
Speaker 11: it all happened. But you're right, it looks as though
14:50
Speaker 11: she's an outsider. She doesn't get a fair go, she
14:53
Speaker 11: doesn't get to have her arguments rise or fall on
14:56
Speaker 11: their merits. It has to be something that's interrupted and
15:00
Speaker 11: it looks like a conspiracy. So, you know, has get
15:04
Speaker 11: up got attention? Yes, I've never run a sort of
15:09
Speaker 11: an outfit like that. I don't know what the key
15:11
Speaker 11: metrics are, but it looks to me like an own goal.
15:13
Speaker 11: Frankly that if they wanted something in her speech, which
15:16
Speaker 11: for plenty of people, there could be controversial things there
15:19
Speaker 11: to speak about that they might feel strongly about, and
15:21
Speaker 11: instead the headline everyone will read is banner comes down
15:24
Speaker 11: during Pauline's address.
15:27
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean a bunch of fools. All they need
15:30
Speaker 1: to do is look at what it did for Donald
15:32
Speaker 1: Trump when people tried these sort of tricks. I was
15:34
Speaker 1: particularly impressed, Tom, when you were there, you're sitting answering
15:37
Speaker 1: the asking questions yourself. I was impressed in how she
15:40
Speaker 1: handled the Q and A session. I mean, that was
15:44
Speaker 1: a very impressive performance because going into this, I guess
15:47
Speaker 1: a little like you, I thought, Okay, she can make
15:49
Speaker 1: the speech, but there will be tricky questions and then
15:52
Speaker 1: she's got to come up with the answers. I thought
15:55
Speaker 1: she just about nailed it in terms of answering the
15:58
Speaker 1: questions she was asked.
16:00
Speaker 7: She's pretty dexterous. She's pretty good on her feet. Clearly.
16:03
Speaker 11: She's also been doing different types of media, doing some
16:08
Speaker 11: you know, call it friendly and unfriendly media, but all
16:12
Speaker 11: types of media essentially if you like. So she was
16:14
Speaker 11: ready for a lot of different types of questions. I
16:16
Speaker 11: think there is one aspect that helps her is that
16:20
Speaker 11: we're still two years out from election, and a lot
16:22
Speaker 11: of her policy and I've delved through every page of
16:26
Speaker 11: policy on a website.
16:27
Speaker 7: A lot of it's pretty short.
16:28
Speaker 11: And look, she was only a very small minor party
16:31
Speaker 11: at the last election, so it's not like you'd expect
16:32
Speaker 11: her and the resources she has to have an entire
16:35
Speaker 11: tax policy now. But that will need to happen that
16:39
Speaker 11: before the election if she wants to be forming government
16:42
Speaker 11: in some way, or if that's what the polls are
16:43
Speaker 11: indicating she could do. You need more detail. You need
16:47
Speaker 11: to go here's all the stuff we've promised. Here, here's
16:49
Speaker 11: what it costs our you know, here's the costs or
16:54
Speaker 11: the money will save will pay for it. So that
16:56
Speaker 11: will need to happen. So there were plenty of times
16:58
Speaker 11: today when she said, I'm not going to make policy
16:59
Speaker 11: on the run. Here's the vible what I had to say.
17:01
Speaker 11: So that is easier than policy detail and people going, well,
17:06
Speaker 11: here's an unintended consequence or whatever it might be. But yes,
17:09
Speaker 11: she's clearly been out there. Look, she's been on the
17:13
Speaker 11: circuit and done that many town hall meetings. She's probably
17:15
Speaker 11: heard every different question under the sun and is able
17:18
Speaker 11: to come up with it. And she wasn't fumbling around
17:21
Speaker 11: at any point today.
17:23
Speaker 1: You don't need me to tell you did a great job. Tom.
17:25
Speaker 1: I mean I thought at about half hour mark, how's
17:28
Speaker 1: he going to wind this up? But you did it
17:30
Speaker 1: with politeness and you did it extremely well. Good on you, mate,
17:32
Speaker 1: Thanks for staying around for us. Tom Connor, who was
17:35
Speaker 1: there in charge at the press club today, I want
17:36
Speaker 1: to go overseas now. This is a horrible foiled terror attack.
17:41
Speaker 1: The potential of what could have happened here is extraordinary.
17:44
Speaker 1: This was aimed at the White House and that UFC
17:47
Speaker 1: fight that was staged on the lawn yesterday. Now the
17:50
Speaker 1: FBI has confirmed it stopped a potential threat using armed
17:55
Speaker 1: drones that would have flown into buildings surrounding that UFC event.
18:00
Speaker 1: It was hosted, obviously by Donald Trump. And then after
18:03
Speaker 1: the drones attacked these armed drones, a flood of terrorists
18:08
Speaker 1: would then descend on the scene, presumably to cause as
18:12
Speaker 1: much carnage as they possibly could. It's extraordinary here to
18:16
Speaker 1: discuss that is a drone shield. Senior Advisor Peter Credline,
18:20
Speaker 1: regular retired Major General Gus McLoughlin. Gus could to see
18:25
Speaker 1: you again. The more you read and hear of what
18:28
Speaker 1: this plot entailed. It tells you it's been long in
18:31
Speaker 1: the planning and potentially could have been disastrous.
18:36
Speaker 2: See, this is serious stuff.
18:38
Speaker 12: You know, We've understood the risk, particularly in the US
18:41
Speaker 12: of the so called lone wolf attack. We've seen a
18:43
Speaker 12: couple of attempts on mister Trump's life. One of them
18:48
Speaker 12: probably came within millimeters of taking his life. But this
18:51
Speaker 12: is a whole new scale. And look, you won't be surprised.
18:56
Speaker 12: With my role advising one of our leading a drone company,
19:01
Speaker 12: I am desperately worried that the drone is the new
19:05
Speaker 12: sniper rifle. It can be operated by relatively low skilled individuals.
19:10
Speaker 12: They can be away a couple of kilometers away from
19:14
Speaker 12: the site, very difficult to detect and disrupt. And so
19:19
Speaker 12: I think we've got a little pointer to the future
19:21
Speaker 12: of the sort of threats that people like the President
19:25
Speaker 12: of the United States and others are going to face.
19:27
Speaker 12: So this is a new level of threats to you.
19:31
Speaker 12: This isn't a lone wolf. This is an organized attempt
19:35
Speaker 12: at mass chaos.
19:38
Speaker 1: Gus, you're in the business, did this surprise even you?
19:41
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I watched Donald Trump get shot
19:43
Speaker 1: in the ear, and you're right, it was a gunman
19:45
Speaker 1: on the roof. There was security lapse. But if you
19:48
Speaker 1: can be sitting in a hotel room too, Kawa and
19:52
Speaker 1: launch a group of armed drones to attract a major crowd,
19:56
Speaker 1: we'll getting to the point where how are you going
19:58
Speaker 1: to hold these open air events?
20:00
Speaker 12: Well, Steve, you know the World Cup is going on
20:03
Speaker 12: in the United States. The World Cup venues are all
20:06
Speaker 12: having to have counter drone defense. You know, some of
20:09
Speaker 12: that is just commercial spying if you like, you know,
20:14
Speaker 12: people taking imagery. But it won't take much to use
20:18
Speaker 12: a drone as a projectile, whether it's carrying an explosive
20:21
Speaker 12: like they like they do in Ukraine and other places,
20:25
Speaker 12: or frankly, whether it just flies into the crowd. So
20:28
Speaker 12: this is the new reality. You might recall a couple
20:31
Speaker 12: of hoods in Melbourne were caught taking a pistol into
20:34
Speaker 12: the MCG a couple of years ago. I mean that, frankly,
20:37
Speaker 12: that's yesterday's news. The threat of flying in over the
20:41
Speaker 12: top of the venue and not having not being stopped
20:45
Speaker 12: by traditional security measures. So I think what we're seeing
20:48
Speaker 12: in Ukraine is playing out in you know, in criminal minds,
20:53
Speaker 12: in terrorist minds, in attackers and they will all learn
20:58
Speaker 12: incredibly fast. So it's now up to know law enforcement
21:02
Speaker 12: and intelligence agencies to keep up. Now, you know, we
21:05
Speaker 12: should give credit to the FBI. They have disrupted this
21:09
Speaker 12: threat this time, but it's going to be a new
21:12
Speaker 12: threat that all of our security agencies are going to
21:15
Speaker 12: need to pay attention to.
21:17
Speaker 1: Five people arrested. I mean we talk about the FBI,
21:20
Speaker 1: I mean I understand, and we need to do a
21:22
Speaker 1: bit more digging. But the FBI got a tip off.
21:24
Speaker 1: I mean, without that tip off, we could be sitting here,
21:27
Speaker 1: gus talking about something completely different tonight.
21:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, get I guess that.
21:31
Speaker 12: You know, tip off really is an indicator into what
21:34
Speaker 12: we call human intelligence. I mean a number of plots
21:38
Speaker 12: are foiled by individuals who hear about them, whether it's
21:42
Speaker 12: a family member who's concerned, whether it's someone who overhears,
21:46
Speaker 12: whether it's a member of the gang who gets cold
21:49
Speaker 12: feet or changes their mind. And our agencies need to
21:53
Speaker 12: be attuned to this human intelligence. The AI and other
21:58
Speaker 12: data sets, the ten technical intelligence of sweeping the computers
22:02
Speaker 12: and phones will be important, but frankly, humans listening and
22:06
Speaker 12: having contact with these sorts of sources remain critically important.
22:12
Speaker 1: You follow the Ukraine War very closely. I know Donald
22:16
Speaker 1: Trump in France today at the G seven spent quite
22:20
Speaker 1: some time with Vladimir Zelinski, and one of the interpretations
22:24
Speaker 1: that was put on that meeting was that Donald Trump
22:27
Speaker 1: is now realizing that the Ukrainians slowly but slowly but
22:31
Speaker 1: surely getting the upper hand here. How did you read
22:34
Speaker 1: that today? Trump sitting down again with Zolensky.
22:38
Speaker 12: Well, I think we all agree, Steve, he hasn't come
22:41
Speaker 12: out of the pease settlement with Iran with perhaps the
22:46
Speaker 12: success that he would have dreamed about at the start.
22:49
Speaker 12: I think he was possibly seduced by the success he
22:52
Speaker 12: had with the raid on Venezuela. I think we've discovered
22:56
Speaker 12: that the limits of American power again, and not for
23:00
Speaker 12: the first time, we saw President Obama step back from
23:04
Speaker 12: a red line in Syria. The reality is you can't
23:06
Speaker 12: bomb your way to victory. I think he's turning back
23:09
Speaker 12: to the Ukraine as potentially one of the more intractable
23:14
Speaker 12: things that he could seek to help resolve. And it
23:17
Speaker 12: helps that the Ukrainians have stemmed the advance, that is,
23:22
Speaker 12: they've stopped the Russian advance add enormous cost to the
23:25
Speaker 12: Russian over a million casualties and considerable cost to Ukraine
23:29
Speaker 12: as well. But it is the harnessing of technology of drones,
23:35
Speaker 12: both deep strike drones and on the battlefield, these first
23:38
Speaker 12: person view drones that have turned that war around. The
23:41
Speaker 12: scale of the Ukrainian innovation and mobilizations extraordinaries to two
23:46
Speaker 12: hundred thousand drones a month being produced in Ukraine, some
23:50
Speaker 12: of them in you know, literally just being made in
23:53
Speaker 12: garages and then assembled push forward into the front line,
23:57
Speaker 12: and those drones are what have the Russians to be
24:01
Speaker 12: stopped now. Now, Putin isn't finished, and I think if
24:04
Speaker 12: Trump really wants to make a difference, at some point,
24:07
Speaker 12: he's going to have to stare Putin down, and so
24:11
Speaker 12: far that's a step that he seems to have been
24:13
Speaker 12: reluctant to take.
24:16
Speaker 1: Garsen was great to catch up. Thank you very much
24:17
Speaker 1: for your help tonight. Okay, coming up reports that Australia
24:20
Speaker 1: is about sweat its way through a super el Nino.
24:23
Speaker 1: Are we really the warmer conditions across winter and spring?
24:27
Speaker 1: So what's the science behind this prediction? That's up next
24:31
Speaker 1: with The Australian's Graham Lloyd. Welcome back, sleeve price. With
24:39
Speaker 1: you sitting in for Peter Kredlin. I'll go back to
24:42
Speaker 1: Paulin Hansen's speech later in the program. Talk to my
24:45
Speaker 1: panel at the back end of the program. Also give
24:47
Speaker 1: you some more detail on what now appears to be
24:51
Speaker 1: an intensive Australian Federal Police investigation into how those people
24:55
Speaker 1: got into the press club itself. Talk El Nino in
24:58
Speaker 1: just a moment with Graham Lloyd. But I want to
25:00
Speaker 1: talk about travel and a lot of people I know
25:03
Speaker 1: have this year decided well, I'm not going to travel
25:06
Speaker 1: to Europort or the United States or even to parts
25:09
Speaker 1: of Asia because of the problems you have traveling through
25:12
Speaker 1: the Middle East. Travel restrictions there though have been changed
25:17
Speaker 1: by the government. Now that means that you can actually
25:21
Speaker 1: now get travel insurance if you're landing at a place
25:24
Speaker 1: like Dubai or Doha. Now, if you fell down in
25:28
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks and injured yourself with the
25:31
Speaker 1: Australian government advice as it was, you might not be
25:35
Speaker 1: able to make an insurance claim. I want to quickly
25:38
Speaker 1: go to the decision by Flight Center today which announ
25:41
Speaker 1: stillso a profit downgrade, which says it's driven by these
25:44
Speaker 1: temporary global conflicts, their boss, their owner, their creator. Graham Turner,
25:49
Speaker 1: who we know well, joins us. Graham, good to see
25:51
Speaker 1: you again.
25:53
Speaker 2: Thanks, nice to talk to you.
25:55
Speaker 1: I can't tell you the number of my friends who said, well,
25:58
Speaker 1: I might not go this year because because I'm not
26:01
Speaker 1: sure that AI can afford the air fares or be
26:04
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable going through those Middle East hubs that
26:07
Speaker 1: are so huge. Is that what you're hearing as well?
26:10
Speaker 2: Look definitely up to now.
26:13
Speaker 13: But you know, just in the last couple of months,
26:17
Speaker 13: about two hundred and fifty thousand Australians have flown through
26:22
Speaker 13: the Middle East, you know, with Emirates and Eddie had
26:24
Speaker 13: and Qatar so and there's been no issues at the
26:28
Speaker 13: moment so far. So now that there is what looks
26:32
Speaker 13: like a lasting piece fingers crossed, I don't think people
26:38
Speaker 13: have any concerns. I mean, it's probably a safe a
26:44
Speaker 13: way to go as anywhere now, which is great.
26:48
Speaker 1: I'm lucky. I booked fares to Japan at the beginning
26:52
Speaker 1: of the year and I've just sat and watched quite curiously, Grahame,
26:56
Speaker 1: how they've jumped up and up and up and up.
26:59
Speaker 1: Airfares are still going north do you expect them to
27:03
Speaker 1: drop back to pre Iran war levels anytime soon.
27:09
Speaker 13: Look, there, obviously there's a fuel price which has a
27:14
Speaker 13: significant impact, and aviation fuel is significantly more refined than
27:20
Speaker 13: diesel or petrol, so that's still a bit of an issue.
27:24
Speaker 13: And we're not quite out of this unfortunately yet in
27:28
Speaker 13: terms of the straight of humus.
27:30
Speaker 2: And the impact that has. But yes, with the opening
27:35
Speaker 2: up of the.
27:35
Speaker 13: Middle East even further in terms of those Middle Eastern airlines,
27:39
Speaker 13: there is absolutely no question that the affairs to UK
27:43
Speaker 13: Europe will be much more competitive. Bearing in mind we're
27:47
Speaker 13: coming into the peak season, or we're in the peak
27:49
Speaker 13: season now. Japan and Vietnam and New Zealand and the
27:55
Speaker 13: States will be more dependent on that jet fuel price
28:00
Speaker 13: and the availability. But I'll be surprised affairs don't overall
28:05
Speaker 13: over the next a couple of months come back quite
28:09
Speaker 13: a bit, mainly because there's more capacity going through to
28:13
Speaker 13: Europe through the Middle East, which opens up other routes.
28:18
Speaker 13: You know a lot of people have been flying through
28:20
Speaker 13: Asia and China to Europe and that's going to change
28:23
Speaker 13: quite significantly over the next couple of months assuming this
28:27
Speaker 13: piece deal holes.
28:29
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that will help that the Albanezi government
28:32
Speaker 1: has lowered that travel advice for places like Bahrain, Israel,
28:36
Speaker 1: I think, Kawait, Qatar, places like that.
28:38
Speaker 2: In the UAE.
28:39
Speaker 1: Of course, that was important because I'm right, aren't I
28:42
Speaker 1: that if you had travel insurance, and you know, through
28:45
Speaker 1: no fault of your own, you had an accident in
28:47
Speaker 1: one of those places, your travel insurance when that warning
28:51
Speaker 1: from the federal government was in place, might not have
28:54
Speaker 1: covered you.
28:56
Speaker 13: Yeah, generally most of the major travel policies won't cover
29:00
Speaker 13: in what is classified as a war zone, which I
29:03
Speaker 13: think the government terms category four do not travel. And
29:08
Speaker 13: we in the travel industry have been arguing against this
29:11
Speaker 13: sort of a number of weeks because a lot of
29:14
Speaker 13: the other countries have reduced that to category three, which
29:19
Speaker 13: generally travel insurance.
29:21
Speaker 2: Will cover you for.
29:22
Speaker 13: And know, my thing is that the defact resisting this
29:29
Speaker 13: for some time or saying they're trying to keep people safe,
29:32
Speaker 13: whereas there's hundreds of thousands of people traveling.
29:36
Speaker 2: Through the Middle East which weren't.
29:38
Speaker 13: Covered for this sort of If you had a heart
29:41
Speaker 13: attack when you're sitting in Dubai airport, for example, you
29:44
Speaker 13: weren't covered. And so my thing is that there's more
29:50
Speaker 13: chance of having a heart attack than having a drone attack.
29:53
Speaker 13: And unfortunately Australia was a bit reticent, a bit late
29:58
Speaker 13: in opening, but they have done it now and we're
30:00
Speaker 13: very grateful for that, and travel insurance generally will be
30:05
Speaker 13: fully covered through the Middle East.
30:09
Speaker 1: Those airlines you mentioned, like Quantas and Qatar and the others,
30:13
Speaker 1: they are just you know, safety first is their thing.
30:17
Speaker 1: They're well resourced, well financed airlines and they are part
30:22
Speaker 1: of the Middle East community. I would have thought flying
30:25
Speaker 1: on an Emirates plane or a Guitar plane or one
30:29
Speaker 1: of the others, you wouldn't have a problem. I mean,
30:32
Speaker 1: I spoke to Tony Abbot who flew back through there
30:34
Speaker 1: in the middle of the war, and he said, you
30:36
Speaker 1: really didn't notice any difference in Dubai airport.
30:40
Speaker 2: Now.
30:41
Speaker 13: Look, they're very safety conscious as as you mentioned those
30:45
Speaker 13: airlines Guitar and Edie had and Emirates very safety conscious.
30:51
Speaker 13: They just wouldn't and they're global airlines. You know, they
30:54
Speaker 13: just wouldn't fly if it wasn't safe. But even I
30:58
Speaker 13: know our family we went over there in the middle
31:03
Speaker 13: to Europe in the middle of it for a couple
31:06
Speaker 13: of things, and my wife Jude was happy for us
31:10
Speaker 13: to travel through the Middle East, but she wouldn't let
31:12
Speaker 13: our daughter and grandkids do it.
31:14
Speaker 2: So you know that's that's the logic.
31:18
Speaker 1: She's happy to sacrifice you but not the kids. Is
31:20
Speaker 1: that what you're saying?
31:22
Speaker 2: Exactly?
31:26
Speaker 1: Good to catch up, Graham. Good on you, mate, Thank
31:28
Speaker 1: you very much for that. I want to talk now
31:30
Speaker 1: about these warnings from meteorologists that Australia is now facing
31:33
Speaker 1: a strong ill Nino event over the next few months.
31:37
Speaker 2: Now.
31:37
Speaker 1: This is supposed to bring hot and drier conditions during
31:40
Speaker 1: our winter, increased bushfire risk once we get to summer.
31:44
Speaker 1: I didn't know this. There was more frost apparently with
31:47
Speaker 1: ill Nino and potential impacts on agriculture and the Great
31:51
Speaker 1: Barrier reef. How much of this is real? How much
31:54
Speaker 1: of it is hot?
31:55
Speaker 2: Air?
31:56
Speaker 1: Environment editor at The Australian and Peter Credlin regular Graham
31:59
Speaker 1: Lloyd joined me now, Graham, I saw a lot of
32:02
Speaker 1: the global warming catastrophes yesterday starting to lose their minds
32:07
Speaker 1: over the fact we're going to have a super el Nino.
32:10
Speaker 1: They call it.
32:11
Speaker 14: What you'll read on this, Well, well, there's no such
32:14
Speaker 14: thing as normal anymore as there Steve, It's really a
32:19
Speaker 14: natural cycle and it's dependent on surface temperatures in the
32:23
Speaker 14: Pacific Ocean.
32:24
Speaker 2: There's three phases.
32:26
Speaker 9: There's El Nino, La Nina, and neutral, and they cycle
32:31
Speaker 9: through and it looks like this year there's temperatures in
32:34
Speaker 9: the ocean as such that we will have al Nino experience.
32:40
Speaker 9: But this is really only one factor that determines the weather.
32:44
Speaker 9: It's correct to say that on balance it will probably
32:47
Speaker 9: be drier, there could be a more chance of bushfires
32:52
Speaker 9: and sort of cold frosts and what have you, but
32:55
Speaker 9: it's not a sured that that will be the case.
32:58
Speaker 2: There are other factors.
32:59
Speaker 9: At play, including a southern oscillation and other things, which,
33:05
Speaker 9: to be fair, the Bureau of METT makes clear when
33:08
Speaker 9: it announces these things. But really that's not often what
33:12
Speaker 9: the media wants to portray. They're saying this is a
33:16
Speaker 9: super event and be scared. But the truth is the
33:19
Speaker 9: last one happened three years ago.
33:22
Speaker 14: The world didn't end. We will have.
33:26
Speaker 9: Nina this year, al Nino this year, and really it's
33:30
Speaker 9: only after the event that you can say with any
33:33
Speaker 9: precision what it actually meant.
33:36
Speaker 1: Well, it's mid June and we had twenty degrees in
33:39
Speaker 1: Melbourne and this morning I think at like seven am
33:42
Speaker 1: it was like fourteen or fifteen degrees, So that's fairly unusual.
33:46
Speaker 1: But that's just the revolving patterns of weather, surely. I mean,
33:50
Speaker 1: we've always experienced a bit of a warmer winter or
33:53
Speaker 1: a colder winter, or a wetter one. I mean, and
33:56
Speaker 1: this idea that we're going to have all these dry spells,
33:59
Speaker 1: I mean, if you live in Sydney or anywhere north
34:02
Speaker 1: of Sydney all the way up the coast into Queensland,
34:06
Speaker 1: it's been super wet for the last few months, hasn't it.
34:10
Speaker 9: That's right, and I think it's fair to say, particularly
34:13
Speaker 9: in the part of the world that I am in
34:15
Speaker 9: northern New South Wales, it's been wet for about six years.
34:18
Speaker 9: We've had extremely extremely wet years with what are La
34:24
Speaker 9: Nina cycles, which are the opposite to El Nino, and
34:28
Speaker 9: what that's done is that's produced an awful amount of
34:32
Speaker 9: undergrowth and there's really a lot of stuff there to
34:36
Speaker 9: dry out should a La Nina cycle come through. El
34:39
Speaker 9: Nino cycle come through, and that's when you'll get some fires.
34:43
Speaker 9: But this is really the natural cycle in terms of
34:47
Speaker 9: the current weather. Well, that's really not being determined by
34:51
Speaker 9: these phenomena. They're really setting up now to be present
34:56
Speaker 9: later in the year.
34:58
Speaker 1: Great Barrier reef back in the news as well. For years,
35:01
Speaker 1: who've been told coral reefs are on the brink of collapse.
35:03
Speaker 1: But there is some new research mapping the world's reefs.
35:07
Speaker 1: What does that tell us.
35:09
Speaker 9: Well, this is really in the same bucket, Steve. It's
35:11
Speaker 9: very interesting. It's that the natural world is more complex
35:14
Speaker 9: than we thought. Well who knew sort of. The science
35:18
Speaker 9: community has been saying for some time that coral reefs
35:23
Speaker 9: are endangered and imperiled. Global warming means that it can
35:27
Speaker 9: get too hot and they all disappear. Others have said, well,
35:30
Speaker 9: hang on a second, that's really doesn't accord with the experience.
35:37
Speaker 9: And now there's been a big survey that looks at
35:41
Speaker 9: the physical evidence across a whole spectrum of factors, in
35:44
Speaker 9: fact forty two factors, ocean temperatures being one of them,
35:48
Speaker 9: and ocean phys physology and whatever and the others and weather, etc.
35:55
Speaker 9: And it's found that there are vast areas of coral
35:59
Speaker 9: that are well suited to survive through the global warming impacts,
36:05
Speaker 9: particularly for the.
36:06
Speaker 14: Next few decades.
36:07
Speaker 9: So this is good news that if there are reefs
36:10
Speaker 9: that will survive the impacts of climate change, they will
36:14
Speaker 9: be able to seed reefs more generally. And this is
36:17
Speaker 9: the story of really sort of coping with change and
36:22
Speaker 9: evolution in natural systems. The same organizations and NGOs who
36:29
Speaker 9: have been saying that the Great Bearer Reef is on
36:32
Speaker 9: the verge of death and give us lots of money
36:34
Speaker 9: and all this sort of thing, they've actually picked up
36:36
Speaker 9: this research and they're now saying, look, we need to
36:40
Speaker 9: put on our effort into defending these places. So they've
36:43
Speaker 9: accepted that there are refugeia. There's one hundred and seventy
36:48
Speaker 9: thousand square kilometers of it globally.
36:51
Speaker 2: This has to be positive and good news.
36:55
Speaker 1: Well, as you know, Graham, you've written about it a
36:57
Speaker 1: million times. People have death ridden the Great Bearer Reef forever,
37:02
Speaker 1: to the point where at one stage we were defending
37:05
Speaker 1: it from being classified by the United Nations as endangered,
37:10
Speaker 1: which smashed the tourism operators who are selling tours onto
37:15
Speaker 1: the Grape Barrier Reef for all of the people who
37:17
Speaker 1: come from overseas to see it exactly.
37:20
Speaker 9: And that campaign is ongoing people still want to have
37:22
Speaker 9: the reef declared endangered. And the other side. I'm a
37:27
Speaker 9: very enthusiastic scuba diver, so I've looked at the Barrier
37:30
Speaker 9: reef and I've seen a sort of come and go
37:33
Speaker 9: in a terrific condition. But I've just been in Indonesia
37:36
Speaker 9: where the water temperatures are over thirty degrees and the
37:39
Speaker 9: coral is spectacular.
37:42
Speaker 1: And you don't have to wear such a thick wetsuit.
37:44
Speaker 1: Grame good on your mate. I'll catch up with you soon.
37:46
Speaker 1: All right, Coming up, another look at Pauline Hanson's press
37:49
Speaker 1: club debut today and plans for her star recruit Barnaby
37:53
Speaker 1: Joyce to take on Gin Charmers as Treasury spokesman. Plus
37:56
Speaker 1: we get into the idea that Pauline would the ABC
38:01
Speaker 1: like a streaming service. You'd have to pay for it.
38:08
Speaker 1: Welcome back Steve Rice in for Peter Credlin and talk
38:10
Speaker 1: to kel Richards shortly. I want to go back though,
38:13
Speaker 1: to today's press Club lunch with Pauline Hanson. I watched
38:16
Speaker 1: the whole speech. A lot of issues to get through
38:19
Speaker 1: with our panel tonight. Senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center,
38:21
Speaker 1: Nick Cata joined US and National Liberal MP Phil Thompson
38:27
Speaker 1: joins us as well. Can I start with you, Nick?
38:31
Speaker 1: Where are you Phil? What are you doing? Mate?
38:36
Speaker 4: I'm I'm at the CB Hotel in Towns I've got
38:39
Speaker 4: Matt Canovan in the back. We're here to watch the
38:43
Speaker 4: State of Origin tonight. So I didn't want to cancel
38:46
Speaker 4: the event. We've had a good politics in the pub.
38:50
Speaker 4: I thought i'd do the live cross from the pub.
38:53
Speaker 1: You look magnificent mate. I want to ask you a question.
38:57
Speaker 1: Why does Queensland or New South walese sell a State
39:02
Speaker 1: of Origin match to Melbourne? Mate?
39:07
Speaker 4: I don't know, trying to get those Southerners to like
39:12
Speaker 4: our game and you know, take the money off off Victoria.
39:16
Speaker 4: I'd like to see more games up in the North
39:19
Speaker 4: to be honest. We've had a few games here in Townsvill.
39:22
Speaker 4: That's where I'd like to see the State of Origin.
39:24
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll take the money from those Victorians and
39:27
Speaker 4: bring it back into our game. But yeah, I'm hoping
39:31
Speaker 4: that we see more of the love spread out into
39:34
Speaker 4: North Queensland.
39:36
Speaker 1: I guess the ninety thousand capacity the MCG doesn't do
39:39
Speaker 1: any harm. Nick. I want your thoughts on the performance
39:41
Speaker 1: of One Nation leader Pauline Hansen today like you like me,
39:45
Speaker 1: I'm sure you watched the speech. I thought she handled
39:48
Speaker 1: the Canberra Press Gallery in particular outstandingly.
39:54
Speaker 15: I describe it in one word, triumphant. Here she watched
39:58
Speaker 15: it surprise me number one that she hadn't been to
40:00
Speaker 15: the press club before. I mean, you get the Greens
40:03
Speaker 15: leader up there sort of every other Tuesday. So she's stepping,
40:07
Speaker 15: if you like, into the great temple of the political
40:10
Speaker 15: and media class. You know, this is where they call
40:13
Speaker 15: the rules. And she went in and she's like the
40:15
Speaker 15: new teacher on day one of the terms, saying, Nana,
40:19
Speaker 15: these are my rules. You play by my rules. If
40:21
Speaker 15: you don't like them, get out. And I thought it
40:24
Speaker 15: was terrific. And what that shows, I think, is exactly
40:27
Speaker 15: the position of authority which Pauline Hanson is in. She
40:31
Speaker 15: has won the argument when it comes to the cultural
40:34
Speaker 15: and political issues which have been dividing us for so long.
40:37
Speaker 15: And what she's done is to show that the voice
40:40
Speaker 15: wasn't just about a narrow constitutional amendment. We've won the
40:44
Speaker 15: lot right, so us don't try this anymore. And you
40:47
Speaker 15: can see the way the government is subtly pulling back
40:49
Speaker 15: now on net zero. I don't think Chris Bowen has
40:52
Speaker 15: mentioned the words net zero since at least November. We
40:56
Speaker 15: are winning these ground, particularly on energy policy and immigration,
41:02
Speaker 15: but on a broader range of things, and she's done that,
41:05
Speaker 15: and good on her, and today she was in total control.
41:08
Speaker 15: I think what's still to be fought for, of course,
41:12
Speaker 15: is what comes next. What sort of government does she
41:14
Speaker 15: plan to introduce? And this gives Angus Taylor his chance,
41:18
Speaker 15: of course to say, well, here's our alternative. It's no
41:20
Speaker 15: use just going to the election saying we don't like
41:23
Speaker 15: the Albanese government. They're rubbish right, everybody agrees with that,
41:26
Speaker 15: or the vast majority of Australians agree with that position.
41:29
Speaker 15: It's a question of what comes next. So I think
41:31
Speaker 15: Pauline has to set that up the next stage of
41:33
Speaker 15: this battle very well.
41:36
Speaker 1: Nick, I'll ask you about the ABC in a moment.
41:38
Speaker 1: I want to go back to you, Phil. I mean,
41:40
Speaker 1: how disappointed should Australians be that somehow get up got
41:45
Speaker 1: inside the National Press Club. They had time to use
41:49
Speaker 1: a drill to put up a screen with an anti
41:53
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson poster on it and have someone in the
41:56
Speaker 1: room push a button like you would on an electric
41:59
Speaker 1: blind to have that thing come down. That's a massive
42:03
Speaker 1: security breach, isn't it.
42:04
Speaker 7: Mate.
42:07
Speaker 4: It's a security issue, it's a democratic issue. It is
42:12
Speaker 4: all of the issues here, Like we shouldn't be seeing
42:16
Speaker 4: a group like get Up be able to infiltrate any
42:19
Speaker 4: political member or leader give a speech at any event.
42:24
Speaker 1: Let alone the Press Club. I saw it.
42:28
Speaker 4: I was you know what I thought, age juvenile b
42:32
Speaker 4: Security hasn't been tight enough. You know, we've seen the
42:36
Speaker 4: Greens there, like Nick was saying every other Tuesday, sprouting
42:41
Speaker 4: off all their rubbish. You know, Pauline as the leader
42:45
Speaker 4: of one Nation deserves like every other member of Parliament
42:50
Speaker 4: and every other leader.
42:51
Speaker 1: We've got Ted O'Brien.
42:53
Speaker 4: There next week or the week after talking about foreign affairs.
42:57
Speaker 4: She has the same right to address the press Club.
43:02
Speaker 4: No one else has had that disgusting behavior happen. They
43:06
Speaker 4: should find out exactly what's happened, where it's come from,
43:09
Speaker 4: and the people should be held accountable because at the
43:12
Speaker 4: end of the day, all elections doesn't matter where they
43:16
Speaker 4: are or what jurisdiction they are are for. This is
43:20
Speaker 4: a democratic process where the Australian people get to choose who.
43:24
Speaker 1: They want to be their leader. And what we saw
43:26
Speaker 1: today was a slap in the face to over Australia.
43:30
Speaker 1: Nick Pauline didn't miss SBS in the ABC. Here's she
43:33
Speaker 1: is talking about what would happen to those organizations if
43:36
Speaker 1: she were to get in charge of the country. Haven't
43:38
Speaker 1: look rest assured?
43:41
Speaker 3: There will be big changes if one nation is given
43:43
Speaker 3: the chance, the SBS will be gone. The ABC will
43:48
Speaker 3: still exist, but in a very different form. Taxpayers will
43:52
Speaker 3: still fund some of the ABC's operations in regional rule
43:55
Speaker 3: and remote areas where there is a lack of commercial
43:58
Speaker 3: media in this it is which are already such a
44:01
Speaker 3: ad with the media outlets across the political spectrum. The
44:05
Speaker 3: ABC will only be subscription service only.
44:09
Speaker 15: What did you make of that, Nick, She's on solid
44:13
Speaker 15: ground there. I mean the sky News poll which showed that,
44:16
Speaker 15: you know, the I think was overnight the sky News
44:19
Speaker 15: poll which showed that I think sixty seven percent of
44:22
Speaker 15: Labour people wanted to retain the ABC, but only thirty
44:26
Speaker 15: seven percent of the Coalition voters and ten percent of
44:29
Speaker 15: one nation. You know, the ABC has lost any claim
44:32
Speaker 15: it once had to be at the center of national life.
44:35
Speaker 15: It's now clearly a political arm. I think it's you know,
44:39
Speaker 15: the idea that you continue taking public money is gone.
44:42
Speaker 15: I would say, Pauling that hang on with the SBS,
44:45
Speaker 15: right like I think the SBS by showing that Soccero's
44:49
Speaker 15: game live, the terrific win against Turkey at the weekend,
44:53
Speaker 15: redeemed itself and we just go out and got the
44:55
Speaker 15: Tour de France to start, paul In. So I think
44:57
Speaker 15: some of us all feel a bit more warm and
45:00
Speaker 15: relaxed about the SBS.
45:01
Speaker 1: At the end of that process, someone else will pick
45:04
Speaker 1: up the rights. Just find Phil. Can you Queensland Square
45:08
Speaker 1: the series tonight?
45:11
Speaker 14: Oh?
45:12
Speaker 4: Absolutely, We're going to see I think a twelve mil
45:15
Speaker 4: victory to Queensland. We'll see the Hammer come out and
45:20
Speaker 4: be man of the match. We're going to see Billy
45:22
Speaker 4: Slater's team come home for the victory.
45:25
Speaker 1: Good on you feel good on your neck. Appreciate you boys.
45:27
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us. State of origin.
45:30
Speaker 1: Of course at the MCG tonight they reckon. There's going
45:32
Speaker 1: to be ninety thousand there. Nick and Phil, thank you
45:34
Speaker 1: very much. Coming up, my mate, kel Richards, Welcome back
45:42
Speaker 1: to Steve pros with you Wednesday night means word Smith
45:44
Speaker 1: Kel Richards, he comes to us live from his very
45:47
Speaker 1: luxurious library. Good to see you again, my old friend.
45:51
Speaker 1: Let's start with active voice and passive voice. I'd suggest
45:56
Speaker 1: I've got an active voice and a lot of people,
46:00
Speaker 1: a lot of people who I talk to maybe have
46:02
Speaker 1: a passive voice. Kel.
46:04
Speaker 16: It's a grammatical expression. Active voice means doing something. Passive
46:08
Speaker 16: voice means having something done to you. So Peter hit
46:12
Speaker 16: John his active voice. John was hit by Peter his
46:16
Speaker 16: passive voice. When writing English, active voice is vital. But
46:21
Speaker 16: Steve and I were taught as young journalists right in
46:23
Speaker 16: the active voice as much as possible. Passive voice tends
46:26
Speaker 16: to be dull. Active voice tends to be direct and dynamic.
46:30
Speaker 16: Understanding the difference and focusing on the active voice good
46:33
Speaker 16: way when you're writing.
46:35
Speaker 1: And how many times have been clipped over the year?
46:40
Speaker 1: Using double negatives? Kell?
46:42
Speaker 16: Oh yes, now this is interesting? Actually, do two negatives
46:46
Speaker 16: make a positive? If someone says he didn't say nothing,
46:50
Speaker 16: do they mean he said something? H No, no, no,
46:54
Speaker 16: I mean let's be polite and call it non standard English.
46:57
Speaker 16: It is grammatical rubbish, but you don't apply the rules
47:00
Speaker 16: of mathematics to language.
47:01
Speaker 7: It doesn't work like that.
47:02
Speaker 16: It's like the teacher who said two negatives make a positive,
47:06
Speaker 16: and then he added, but two positives don't make a negative,
47:09
Speaker 16: and the smart boy at the back of the class said, yeah, right,
47:14
Speaker 16: we've got to be careful about applying the rules of
47:16
Speaker 16: mathematics to language. Incorrect grammar is still making a clear point.
47:21
Speaker 16: So double negative has been used for a long time.
47:24
Speaker 16: Shakespeare used to double negative in The Merchant of Venice
47:27
Speaker 16: uses one in a phrase. So we should avoid double negatives.
47:31
Speaker 16: But let's not get too tortured about them, because we
47:35
Speaker 16: know what people mean. They're not canceling out what they've said.
47:39
Speaker 1: I'm going to open a can of wounds and I'll
47:41
Speaker 1: ask you about can of wormbs next week. But how's AI?
47:45
Speaker 1: How's AI going with producing proper English?
47:50
Speaker 8: Not?
47:51
Speaker 16: Well, there's a reason why it's called AI junk because
47:55
Speaker 16: it does that often. I mean, I could give you
47:57
Speaker 16: examples of things I've asked AI to do a test
48:00
Speaker 16: and it does it disastrously. Don't get me started stuff.
48:06
Speaker 1: No, I think you know someone gave me. Someone gave
48:09
Speaker 1: me a very big warning about two months ago. When
48:13
Speaker 1: when you get something up on AI, check it, double
48:16
Speaker 1: check it and check it again. Always great to see
48:18
Speaker 1: your kell. I'll be here filling in for Peter next week,
48:20
Speaker 1: so have a longer chat about the proper English. That's extraordinary.
48:26
Speaker 1: I mean, you've just got to be so careful when
48:28
Speaker 1: you're using AI. Unbelievable. That's it for me tonight. I'll
48:31
Speaker 1: be back filling in for Peter tomorrow night. My old
48:33
Speaker 1: mate Andrew bolts up now