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Strictly Come Hamster - Season 23 (featuring Matt Michael and Daniel Rawnsley) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  All my travellings throughout the universe I have battled
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  against evil, against power. Mad conspirators.
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  I should have stayed here. The oldest civilization,
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  decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core.
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  Power. Make conspirators, Daleks on
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  tyrants, Cybermen, they're still in the nursery compared to us 10
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  million years of absolute power. That's what it takes to be
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  really corrupt. Doctor, these unseemly
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  outbursts. Unseemly outbursts.
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  If I hadn't visited Ravalox as I then thought of it.
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  The High Council have kept this outrage carefully buried, as
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  presumably they have for several centuries.
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  I must agree you haven't endearing habit of blundering
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  into these things, Doctor, and the High Council took full
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  advantage of your blunder. Explain that.
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  They made a deal with the Vaillard, or as I've always
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  known him, the Doctor, to adjust the evidence in return for which
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  he was promised the remainder of the Doctor's regenerations.
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  This is Clinton. Just a minute.
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  Did you call him the doctor? There is some evil in all of us,
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  Doctor, even you. A Vaillard is an amalgamation of
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  darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your 12th and
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  final incarnation. And I may say you do not improve
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  with age. Gentlemen, may I remind you that
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  this is a court for deciding the best Doctor Who story of all
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  time, not a debating society for maladjusted psychotic
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  sociopaths. You will therefore conduct
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  yourselves in an orderly manner and show proper respect for the
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  strictly cum hamster procedures. I hope I make myself very clear.
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  How did you manage to sound even camper than Louis Belligue?
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  It's a it's an art form, Joe. Welcome back to Strictly Cum
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  Hamster everybody. I was going to start with a
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  power mad podcast to watch Who's strangers in space?
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  They're still in the nursery compared to us. 10 million years
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  of absolute opinions. That's what it takes to be
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  really corrupt. Good.
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  I was actually originally going to start with Glitz's line
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  saying haven't you got a ring to rub?
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  I thought that might, you know, take things down a a dark Ave.
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  to start with, so maybe not. Matt Michaels here.
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  Give it some time. All right, Well, hello,
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  everybody. I'm going to, somewhat
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  haphazardly, immediately hand you over to my fabulous Co host,
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  Mr. Rod Brown to do all the introductions.
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  Hello Joe, How are you doing? I am about to talk about Child
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  of the Town and I'm very excited.
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  Yeah, we are. But we're not just discussing
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  Trial of the Town or tonight. This is a really extra special
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  episode because we're also going to be picking the Strictly
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  favorite story for Colin Baker. So we got a double whammy
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  tonight. So yeah, you're absolutely
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  right. We have reached season 23 trial
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  of the Time Lord. And guess what?
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  It's a divisive year with fans on both sides of the fence
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  throwing shade at each other. Who knew?
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  But what will we think of it? Well, let's get straight into it
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  and to sort out our Baronic from our microwave amplification and
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  stimulated emission of radiation.
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  Bravo, Sir. And of course, our catharsis of
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  spurious morality, because I can't possibly leave that out,
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  can I? We are joined tonight by two
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  archetypal philistine, sorry, I mean special guests.
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  One of them is a very welcome returnee to the Strictly dance
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  floor, and the other is a man who's ponchon for innuendo and
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  smut. Actually rivals Joe's, if you
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  can believe it. Between us, we're going to
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  decide which story is going to be lifting up the cushion
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  glitter ball and which will be left to trigger a ray phase
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  shift. So let's welcome tonight's
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  guest, Matt. As the newbie to the Strictly
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  dance floor, would you like to introduce yourself?
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  I am Matt Michael, I have watched every Doctor Who story
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  and blogged about it, and I've been watching for many years.
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  I'm very much looking forward to this evening.
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  Fabulous. You're very welcome and your
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  blog was magnificent, I have to say.
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  I have to warn you though, this evening a certain amount of
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  graphic detail is unavoidable. Oh, when you're around Michael,
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  Matt. Matt, you see, I'm confused
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  already. This.
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  Is going to be worse at that time and the Ronnie recorded
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  isn't it? It can't be worse than the
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  Silver Nemesis 1. That was just him doing the
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  lady. Painful impressions all the way
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  through. And the Burkin boyfriends, Yeah.
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  Ride to Destiny. I don't care.
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  I don't care what you're riding. Joe.
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  Let's get on with the show. Daniel, would you like to bring
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  some sanity back to proceedings? Yes.
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  Hello, Rod. Hello, Joe.
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  Hello. Hello, yes I I was a guest on
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  Strictly Come Hamster season 6. So another trial.
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  I seem to remember it ended in a trial and they brought me back
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  for another trial. We don't just throw this stuff
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  together. You know, Daniel, we do.
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  We do. Very glad to be back.
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  Fantastic. Well, you're both very welcome
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  indeed. But before we get into the
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  stories themselves, just give us a flavour of what you think
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  about season 23 as a whole. Matt gives you overall feelings.
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  Oh, well, it's a bit of a trial, isn't it?
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  I I quite like it actually. I think it's got his detractors,
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  it's got his lovers. I'm think I'm on the, I think
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  I'm on the side of the lovers. Introduces Mel Bush.
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  What? What more do you need?
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  And Daniel? Well, yes, I like it.
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  I like it too. It's feels quite modern for a a
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  classic series of Doctor Who with the the trial framing
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  device. And people might, I've seen,
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  yeah, some opinions saying, oh, it's so wanky for Doctor Who to
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  go and put itself on trial. But but courtroom dramas is what
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  keeps people watching. So a lot of people, I think a
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  lot of people like to tune in for for courtroom dramas, and I
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  think that's probably why some of the audience tuned in for
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  Child of a Time Lord. Very good point, Joe.
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  I know you have particular fond memories of this season.
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  Fucking love this season. I've written out a small little
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  centre. I think it's ambitious, it's
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  series stretching, series stretching.
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  Surprising, shocking fun. It is flabby and I ain't just
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  call him Baker because he has put on a bit.
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  So it's decent 22, but it's stuffed with memorable dialogue
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  for both good reasons and bad reasons, and I'm sure we'll get
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  there. It's visually arresting and it's
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  visually quite bland in places, so it's a right hodgepodge
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  there. It's kind of like all of Doctor
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  Who in one go. All the best and all the worst.
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  But I think it's bursting with great guest stars.
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  It's got great music and effects for the most part, and some
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  absolutely brilliant moments. I think Trial of the Title is
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  sorely underrated. Fabulous.
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  Well, I remember watching this back in 1986.
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  Yes, I am that old. And I remember generally
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  enjoying it. Yes, I think I could see the
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  floors, but it was still Doctor Who and I still loved her.
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  So I was really looking forward to it, even though I went to, I
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  think that's probably my second convention in summer 1986.
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  And Colin was there giving his spiel and giving it his all, as
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  he always did at every convention.
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  And the first question from the floor was so Colin, can you tell
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  me, please, is the value out really a future incarnation of
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  the Doctor? Which pretty much ruined the
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  surprise for everybody in the audience.
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  Colin's face, I think his jaw hit the floor at that moment.
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  He was incandescent with rage. But he managed to kind of keep a
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  brave face on it. But was.
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  It that fella from the Dwas you know that was following him
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  around on all the filming locations?
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  Was it him trying to ruin the season?
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  It did get a lot of booing. But yeah, Paul Colton, he
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  thought, you know, that was going to be the big surprise.
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  It was going to get everyone talking and it was spoiled.
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  So, you know, spoilers. Do you know around back in 86?
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  Sorry to go off tangent already, but he was even more surprised,
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  you know, when the 0 imperative was aired and he went to the
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  showing of that and Peter Davidson turned up in the very
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  last scene. Apparently he was incandescent
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  at the end of that recording, having the the rug ripped out
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  from underneath. Oh, Colin.
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  Look, we're here to celebrate Colin tonight and we are going
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  to celebrate him. So before we get in store,
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  should we get our our comments from our listeners with that
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  overall comments about the season?
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  Matt Daniel, you're going to do the honour of reading them out
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  for us. Would you do me a favour though?
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  Yeah. If there are any comments that
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  you disagree with, yeah, or agree with, if you like, you
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  know you can't give feedback on them.
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  For some reason, people seem to. I've got.
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  I've got Thoughts. When we insult people, off you
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  go. Like your cough?
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  So this is Gavin. Gavin says love it.
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  The theme is the best of the 80s.
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  Incorrect Gavin. Colin is fabulous and Linda and
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  Michael shine parts one to four. Lovely to see the Doctrine Perry
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  get on correct and Glitz is brilliant.
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  Correct, parts 5 to 8. Just perfection.
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  We'll see as we go on. And 10 year old me was
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  devastated by Perry's exit. Not as devastated as by her
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  entrance, but that's a different story.
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  Nice. One parts 9:00 to 12:00.
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  Pip and Jane and Colin magic, parts 13 to 14.
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  So good in the circumstances. That's damning with faint
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  praise, isn't it? And the final cliffhanger still
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  to be result? Well, not really, because did
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  you not see Season 24? I think you've got some catching
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  up to do. Caffeine.
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  The cliffhanger has been resolved.
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  Also, at least talking about the cliffhanger of the Valley Yard,
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  there was Matrix by Robert Perry and Mark Tucker, trial of the
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  Valley Yard from Big Finish. You know they've done some bits.
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  Anyway, sorry, on to Joe Short. Yes, the lovely Joe Short says.
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  When you think about the chaos behind the scenes, it's far more
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  competent than it should be. Mysterious Planet is fun.
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  Mind Warp is the final bit of Perry's torture porn.
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  Vervoids is Agatha Christie in space with Fanny plants.
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  Correct. And Ultimate Foe is a mess, but
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  that's JNT's fault. Doesn't deserve the kicking many
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  give it. And Colin deserved more time.
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  He absolutely did, no. I've not seen many fannies, do
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  they really look like that? No comment.
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  I'm, I'm oblivious to it. I'm innocent.
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  And yeah, OK, I don't quite, I don't quite get it.
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  I'll assume they do. Sorry, sorry.
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  The the the gorgeous and delightful Phil Newman says.
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  If only they'd started with two apparently unconnected stories
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  in which we became aware that the Doctor was under scrutiny,
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  then the moment when the TARDIS appears and he's taken out of
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  time, prevented from rescuing Perry, would have had even
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  greater impact. Maybe Phil.
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  But they didn't, so get over it. Johnny Morris says it's good,
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  but not as good as it should have been or needed to be.
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  The point where Doctor Who really started to fall behind
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  the rest of UKTV in terms of budgets.
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  It's also not clear who it is being made for, as it is now
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  telling stories about the rules and law of the show in its own
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  strange language of Doctor Who is.
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  Like the previous season, you had time Lash.
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  How was that keeping up with the rest of the world in terms of TV
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  budgeting? Yes.
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  That's. A bit blankety blank I guess.
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  This is from Dave Javu. Great name.
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  What I really like is that each segment no anti accents.
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  What I really like is that each segment is a totally different
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  colour and flavour. That was the really smart use of
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  the trial umbrella. I don't know if that's a kind of
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  clever pun on the fact that Colin's got a multi coloured
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  umbrella in the Mysterious Planet.
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  There you are, flavour. Is he licking these stories
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  then? It's like an ice cream flavour.
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  Oh, fair. OK.
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  We had to get into licking quickly, didn't we Ian?
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  Winterton says the stories are OK, but pretty average.
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  All but ruined by the terrible trial guff.
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  Except, except Jason, as the Valley Yard is magnificent.
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  That's Doctor Who. Even when it's a pile of shite,
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  there's still flecks of gold in there.
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  Well, it's quite an image. What's my plus name?
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  But yeah. This is from Oscar Groucho, a
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  sharp concept A Christmas Carol, examining the character's
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  morality, fudged. Now then.
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  By circumstances beyond creative control.
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  Yet it doesn't mask the fact that the format doesn't really
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  show the full dexterity of Doctor Who the Way.
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  You read them out. I'm sorry you make them all so.
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  It's already hot enough in here. Gary Finizer says worst season
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  of the original series. Bland direction.
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  The only one big dramatic moment.
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  Perry's death is changed in the final part.
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  Mind warp is by far the worst, with the awful bickering between
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  the Doctor and Perry. The only saving grace is Michael
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  Jason. That's I.
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  Mean you said original series. He hadn't seen the series 9 from
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  Moffett yet. Addie, so fair.
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  Fairpoint. Sorry, Rod.
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  This is Noel T Simpson. Most of the stories seem like
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  rejects from the 70s. Do they?
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  OK, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll challenge that.
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  No, we'll find out if that's true.
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  But it all adds up. Well, sadly, by episode 14,
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  Colin had found his style and finally transformed into our
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  hero Shane. I think.
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  This is from Brigadier Bambira, actually.
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  So is Noel T Simpson a pseudonym?
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  I will literally be making the argument that Colin was our hero
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  from the first second of the mysterious planet.
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  Jr. Southall I love that after a
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  hiatus and some questions over its potential future, Doctor Who
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  came back with eye-catching visuals, simple but striking
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  ideas, and making effective use of its history.
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  Not enough About RTD 2 RTD 2 Russell C Davies Part 2.
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  The trial of the Tyrant was sheer suicidal idiocy.
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  You've got to remember he's, he loves series nine of the new
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  series, so you know. Yeah, but he's right on that
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  it's. Crazy.
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  Do you know what I was like? It's very unusual to see such a
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  small comment there from Jr. Southport.
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  Did you edit that down a little? Bit I couldn't possibly say, OK,
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  OK. This is not really mid year.
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  Methinks the lady protests too much.
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  A million times better than the consensus.
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  Mysterious Planet is homes back to his best mind.
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  Warp is fantastic playing with the format.
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  Even Vervoids is OK. The matrix stuff in episode 13
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  is superb, but it all falls apart with a car wreck finale.
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  Not a Pip and Jane fan I sense. Not really mid year if that is
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  your real name. Oh.
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  Utterly evil. Barun Man says I want to see
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  Trial as a misunderstood masterpiece, but it's bollocks.
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  But for 13 episodes, it's the same cliffhanger of the Valley
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  Yard saying that Doctor did this, he's an asshole, let's
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  hang him. You remember that line once?
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  Did I miss it? Joe, you're good at making
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  appliance that are not in episodes.
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  Just lots of dramatic zooms up his hooter.
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  That's all I can remember. About the hairs on Blu-ray and
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  then multiple fruit, says the worst season in Doctor Who's
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  history. Until the next one.
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  Oh, very, very dare you. That's.
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  The commenter. What a bitch.
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  Not a season. 24 fan, I get it. Right, let's get into the
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  individual stories, shall we? Start with Matt.
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  Come on, Baptism of Fire, You've got all four stories.
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  Pick your story and give us the reasons why you're either going
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  to champion it or condemn it. I'm going to go for Are you
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  really offering this inconsequential silliness mind
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  warp? Oh yes.
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  I think Mind Warp is it's the first story in the trial where
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  the trial scenes start to be a bit of a chore.
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  Now, the trial scenes often get like critiqued for being a bit
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  of an interruption in the flow of things, but I don't think
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  they really start to do that until here.
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  But that probably speaks to the fact that the story's a bit more
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  complicated and elaborate than the mysterious planet.
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  So, and this is a story that's by Philip Martin, who did
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  vengeance on Varos, which is going to feature in the the best
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  Colin discussions later in the later in the chat.
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  But for me, it I think it's better than Vengeance on Varos.
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  I think Vengeance on Varos has a lot of characters like Quilliam
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  and the Chief who just sort of flit around in the background
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  and they're kind of grotesque, but they don't really do very
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  much. And I always get the sense
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  sometimes that those characters can quite easily be merged into
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  one character. Or if you remove Quillan would,
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  would it really make that much difference?
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  Whereas here the sort of mad scientist character has a real
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  point. It's all about croziers, bonkers
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  experiments. I think the direction is really
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  good. I think it Ron Jones best
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  direction. Surprisingly good, right?
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  It is, yeah. The monsters in the shadows, you
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  don't, you don't necessarily see like the, the sort of rack and
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  the crab monsters and things like that.
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  They're all all in darkness. Which, given his previous form,
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  is probably all for the all for the best.
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  I like that Perry is a bear chaser.
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  I think we ought to keep her. We ought to keep a tally of the
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  bears in this season. But she's definitely after
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  herself. A bit of big old Ikanos.
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  And who doesn't like a big Brian Blessed bear?
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  What a performance. What a what a man.
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  I I love it. I've got one at my work, Matt,
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  right. I've got a Brian Blessed at my
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  work and I. Love this.
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  He's straight and he loves giving out hugs and every
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  morning I just run up to him. Oh it's the best part of the
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  day. Sorry to my offer, off now.
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  But he lifts you up like you can't lost us with Paris.
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  He could. He's a big, lovely, big blessed
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  beard as well. Does he constantly try to get
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  you to like launch suicidal charges against Tesco or
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  something? Like that?
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  Yeah. He works in the bakery.
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  He's always pissed off. Who's in all the buns?
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  Sorry, that's your argument. I think Patrick Reichardt's
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  great. I think he's got he's he's so
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  cool. He's he's he plays it spot on
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  and everyone picks up on this, but the little sip he gives of
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  that that coffee before he goes in for the urgent operation is
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  great. I think he has a great double
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  act with with Colin. And I think Colin also has a
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  great double act with Sale. I think they become almost like
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  a comedy pairing later on in the story and it works so well.
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  Sils much more of a comedy character than he was in
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  Vengeance, so it just gives that character more chance to be
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  Sealian over the top. He doesn't need to be as
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  menacing as he was in the previous story.
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  He had definitely been the new companion after this and I think
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  you know. You you wonder what Perry really
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  saw in Econus, apart from him being a Big Bear.
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  But let's let's face it, she has got used to mollifying a
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  bellowing tyrant over the last few years.
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  So she. Has so you know, she's probably
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  well prepared, well prepared for this.
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  So so I think those are the good things about it.
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  And I also think it's quite nice that Sil thinks that Perry is
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  revoked. Revoltingly ugly.
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  Rather than blah blah. I've given that something she
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  was like just continue it the sex object in the last series.
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  So it's quite nice to turn that on its head and that that's
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  that's played really well. Probably the only things I don't
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  like about it is the story is very fuzzy like and I think the
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  trial doesn't help there. So the trial introduces this
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  whole thing of like falsified evidence, whereas, and if you
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  strip that out, you could go, well, the doctor's obviously
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  being brain damaged by the weird experiments and that's why he's
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  behaving out of character. Or could it be a subtle
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  manipulation? You could play with that either
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  or. I think this the falsified
• 21:19
  evidence thing really makes it muddy, and I don't think it's
• 21:22
  ever properly resolved in the story.
• 21:24
  You know what the answer to that was supposed to be?
• 21:27
  Because Colin says it in the commentary.
• 21:29
  So he was asking Eric Saywood and like, well, what is this?
• 21:33
  Am I bad? Am I good?
• 21:34
  Why am I doing this? And he's like, oh, no, you go,
• 21:37
  go and ask the director. So he asked Ron Jones, what am I
• 21:40
  good? Am I bad?
• 21:41
  What's going on? Nobody said ask the writer.
• 21:43
  And Philip might have said, well, there was a line in the
• 21:45
  script. Saywood must have taken it out.
• 21:47
  Basically when he puts the hat on at the end of Episode 1 and
• 21:51
  you know, masturbates in the chair or whatever he's doing
• 21:53
  there, the last person that wore the hat, a sort of like a copy
• 21:58
  of them, stays in the hat. So basically there was like an
• 22:03
  imprint of Yokanos in the Doctor, which is why he's
• 22:05
  bellowing and wanted to fight and being crazy.
• 22:09
  And he says it's all about brain transfer.
• 22:11
  Yes. Yeah, And he goes, oh, I wish
• 22:13
  I'd known that I'd have played it that way.
• 22:14
  I said. I was just a bastard.
• 22:16
  You know what? Everyone's confused by it.
• 22:19
  There's a fucking clue in the title.
• 22:20
  It's called Mind Warp. His mind has been warped.
• 22:24
  You know, it's not exactly well hidden, is it?
• 22:27
  But it is you are right. Though at the time you would
• 22:29
  have just known it was Trial of the Time Lord episode 6 or
• 22:32
  whatever, so. It is confusing and you don't
• 22:34
  ever come to a conclusion in the story.
• 22:36
  Do you know about why? I think it was the the the
• 22:40
  machine, but, but yeah, yeah, there's the other possibilities
• 22:44
  as well, yeah. So, so I think that that's a bit
• 22:46
  of a problem and I, I really don't like the Perry death
• 22:51
  particularly. I think I'm really glad that
• 22:54
  spoilers it gets reversed in a few episodes time because I I
• 22:58
  think you can kind of you kind of got away with Adric as a one
• 23:01
  off. I really don't think we needed
• 23:03
  to see another companion so quickly get bumped off.
• 23:06
  And I've kind of the way that she's kind of stripped of any
• 23:09
  agency in her fate and she's just like like she was a lot of
• 23:13
  the previous season. She just becomes almost a piece
• 23:15
  of meat being used by the men just is really icky.
• 23:19
  And I, I know that's the point, but I kind of feel like it's a
• 23:22
  bit, it's a bit too icky for what I like about Doctor Who.
• 23:27
  She, she, she dies between saying this, doesn't she?
• 23:29
  You're with her and she's like, oh, I'm often healthy, huh?
• 23:31
  And then that's it. She's gone.
• 23:33
  Yeah, so it's, it's really creepy, but I think, you know,
• 23:37
  the Doctor goes there deliberately.
• 23:40
  He he manipulates his companion. He's he's there to bring down
• 23:44
  the government for us, beat her overnight.
• 23:48
  And he's got sort of a dark secrets with the Time Lords.
• 23:53
  This is definitely the inspiration for the entire
• 23:56
  Andrew Cartmel master plan. So I'm going to say go through.
• 24:01
  I like mind walk. Fantastic.
• 24:03
  Let's go to the comments. John Arnold says.
• 24:06
  I really want a lover for playing with the narrative and
• 24:08
  deliberately being unsettling, but there's a genuinely nasty
• 24:11
  name misogynist undercurrent that makes it queasy viewing.
• 24:16
  The ending is probably the bleakest few minutes in all of
• 24:18
  whom. John Bensalia says frustrating
• 24:21
  because in hindsight, a good portion of what we see is a fib.
• 24:25
  Good production, though, with a clammy ambience of dread, right
• 24:28
  down to the lighting and the score.
• 24:30
  Perry's apparent Mitchell brother Fate is disturbing.
• 24:33
  What? Does that mean?
• 24:34
  What? Mitchell, brother?
• 24:35
  Because she's bold. Bold.
• 24:38
  Shame they didn't keep it. Let's keep.
• 24:41
  Stunning. David Gillespie Press is dark
• 24:44
  and pushing the boundaries. In an era of fake news, deep
• 24:47
  fakes and AI, the idea of watching manipulated evidence
• 24:50
  feels very relevant. Probably the weakest segment,
• 24:53
  but rescued by apartheid, which is phenomenally good.
• 24:56
  It is Paul Smiley, one of the darkest scripts in the series.
• 25:00
  Perry's exit is shocking and memorable.
• 25:02
  Great to have Seal back. Brian Blessed is over the top.
• 25:05
  Crozier having a cup of tea before saving Lord Give is a
• 25:08
  great moment. Colin on top four once again.
• 25:12
  Jason Thompson said keep this for why haven't brought him.
• 25:15
  Said alone. He's put that in capitals.
• 25:17
  Yes, he's loud and bombastic, but he also does the quiet
• 25:20
  scenes beautifully. His devastation when he tells
• 25:23
  the others Dorf is dead but refuses their pity because he
• 25:26
  was an honourable death. Even as his tone says, he's
• 25:28
  trying to convince himself as much as anything he's
• 25:31
  wonderfully portrayed. Keep it.
• 25:33
  Paul Dunn says I hated it as a child but I love it now but
• 25:37
  needs more clarity as to what happened to the doctor.
• 25:40
  Is the matrix lying? Is the doctor changed?
• 25:42
  Is he faking? The Lucosa is superb.
• 25:45
  The Lucosa is superb. Well done Paul Seal is repugnant
• 25:49
  as ever. The ending Fantastic work by
• 25:51
  Nicola Shame is undermined later.
• 25:54
  A friend, he says an ugly, depressing watch, but it's
• 25:56
  fascinating for that. Perry's demise is shocking.
• 25:59
  Imagine they're stuck with her and the doctor is evil for a
• 26:02
  while. Seal is always good value and
• 26:04
  Brian Blessed plays Brian Blessed.
• 26:06
  Underrated. Oh, here's my nemesis.
• 26:09
  Michael Storm says it's the sick Doctor tropes on crack, garishly
• 26:14
  coloured great music and a real sense of impending doom for poor
• 26:17
  old Perry. A great cast help elevate an
• 26:19
  unclear script and one of college greatest performances at
• 26:23
  the end of the story. Keep is no longer my nemesis.
• 26:27
  The Big Orange, Michael says. It's been 30 years and I still
• 26:31
  can't figure out the Doctor's motivation.
• 26:32
  That's not a good thing, though it does feature one of Colin
• 26:35
  Baker's finest moments with the line You Killed Perry.
• 26:39
  If only the rest of his era had given him material like this.
• 26:43
  Bill Newman says my favorite. It's such a dark black comedy
• 26:47
  and one of the most atmospherically lit stories in
• 26:49
  the 1980s. And I adore Hartley's Moody
• 26:52
  electronic score. More Cressus is incredibly
• 26:55
  exciting at the time, especially Part 8IN retrospect is a
• 26:58
  backward step to the excesses of season 22 and probably my least
• 27:02
  favorite segment. James Lark commits the basic
• 27:05
  scene of not knowing why characters are doing what they
• 27:07
  do, and when the leads behaving like an absolute monster, that's
• 27:10
  a huge problem. Not a lot happens either, so the
• 27:13
  whole thing is a bit dreary. A bit dreary this OK, but as the
• 27:18
  middle of act of an epic 14 parter, it sort of gets away
• 27:21
  with it. I mean, it's more dramatic than
• 27:23
  the Feast of Stephen, right? Lampin says the toughest watch
• 27:27
  of the season. Great to have still back.
• 27:29
  Probably the greatest villain of the 80s, both Nabil and Chris
• 27:32
  Ryan a superb love. The paint box effect looks good.
• 27:34
  Very 80s and Brian Blessed is well.
• 27:37
  Brian Blessed it very entertaining.
• 27:40
  It says brain blessed on my page bling.
• 27:47
  Blessing. A welcome return for sale, but
• 27:50
  an utterly woeful farewell for Perry.
• 27:53
  Doctor Who has a long history of four companion exits, but
• 27:56
  Perry's is definitely one of the worst.
• 27:58
  A reasonably good story overall. Keep it.
• 28:01
  A lot of positivity here for my. Tom Newsome says there's
• 28:04
  something really eerie about it. This is far more adult than the
• 28:06
  usual Doctor Who, but not explaining how much the doctor
• 28:09
  is complicit is a mistake. You know the one scene they
• 28:12
  really do need to explain is him on the rocks.
• 28:14
  He's got a chain to the rocks. You know he's horrible in that
• 28:17
  scene. PlayStation Gamer 187 says out
• 28:21
  of all of Classic Who, I find the scene with Bald Perry the
• 28:24
  most upsetting and difficult to watch.
• 28:26
  I skip that bit every time. It's just not for me.
• 28:29
  Who signed that shite off JNT? AJP says I read lusted after by
• 28:34
  half the Galaxy and yet folds for the king with half a brain
• 28:37
  cell. No, not having that.
• 28:41
  No, it'd be a massive power swap, I'm telling you.
• 28:44
  Anthony Carroll. Great apart from Mad Colin and
• 28:47
  the ending was gripping. RIP Perry.
• 28:52
  Though Daniel, are you one over to the charms of mind war?
• 28:56
  Well, it's astounding. Time is fleeting.
• 29:03
  No, I won't go through that mind war.
• 29:05
  Yes, I I like it. It's it is, as everyone has
• 29:10
  said, it's a very upsetting story.
• 29:12
  And I think, yeah, the bit of as, as Matt said, the scene of
• 29:16
  Perry being strapped down and gagged and having her head
• 29:20
  shaved. And it's just the most
• 29:23
  humiliating thing that's probably happened to her, you
• 29:27
  know, since since season 22, really.
• 29:32
  And so. Yeah.
• 29:33
  And it's just that is the ultimately, you know, the
• 29:36
  ultimate humiliation you could do, you know, and the fact that,
• 29:40
  yes, as, as we mentioned, she dies between scenes and, and
• 29:45
  she's, yeah, reincarnated as this, as Kiev, as the, as the,
• 29:49
  as a vessel for Kiev and then blasted away in this kind of
• 29:53
  white light when, when Jochanus goes nuts.
• 29:57
  And yeah, and it is quite troubling, but I do think it's a
• 30:01
  very powerful bit of acting from from Nicola Bryant because she
• 30:07
  gets, you know, she gets she gets several moments during this
• 30:10
  story, actually. She gets this lovely moment with
• 30:14
  with Jokanos, with Brian Blessed, where she's homesick
• 30:17
  and she talks to him about love, which is an emotion he can't
• 30:20
  really understand. And she has to explain it to
• 30:22
  him. And then he tells her about his
• 30:25
  what's going to happen to him when he died.
• 30:27
  And it's very much the sort of Viking equivalent of of
• 30:31
  Valhalla. And you know, he'll go to and
• 30:33
  he'll, he'll fight and he'll fight forever and, and, and she
• 30:37
  said, well, you know you would. And they, they kind of share a
• 30:39
  laugh. It's a lovely, lovely bit.
• 30:41
  Lovely bit of acting between. You know, Daniel is almost Star
• 30:44
  Trek for a second because someone actually says, well,
• 30:47
  what is that love? And I was like, oh, God, no,
• 30:50
  please. But then at the end, they all
• 30:52
  laughing about it. And I'm like, OK, yeah, they've
• 30:54
  got it right. Well done.
• 30:55
  Yeah, yeah. And I mean, that's the thing I
• 30:57
  was like, because I really like Perry and I know she she whines
• 31:02
  on a bit and she's the companion who doesn't want to be really
• 31:05
  want to be there. And she, as we said, we she's
• 31:07
  lusted after by half the Galaxy. But there's also this very sort
• 31:12
  of warm side to her where she's she I kind of like her bickering
• 31:16
  with Colin because she she's kind of the the sort of stroppy,
• 31:22
  you know, very stroppy Madam who's been dragged along and she
• 31:25
  doesn't want to be there and she keeps kind of poking holes in
• 31:28
  Colin's ego, you know, So they love their kind of back and
• 31:31
  forth together. And as has been said in in many
• 31:34
  of the comments, they're they're much sort of more comfortable
• 31:37
  together this season. They're much warmer.
• 31:39
  They have a nice kind of camaraderie going.
• 31:42
  But so so to then inflict that on her at the end.
• 31:46
  And I, I'm going to probably go the other way from Matt then in
• 31:49
  that case, because I am quite kind of, I'm quite affronted by
• 31:56
  the fact that they, they reverse it in the ultimate foe because
• 32:00
  it's to, to, to deliver such a powerful exit and then for JNT
• 32:04
  to go, Oh, well, no, she's not dead, don't worry.
• 32:07
  And I'm really like after all that.
• 32:13
  So, and I mean, yes, I too would like to be married off to Brian
• 32:18
  Blessed, but it's just that yet another one of those companion
• 32:22
  cliches that when they leave, they have to get married off to
• 32:24
  a man because that's all they, you know, that's all that's
• 32:28
  that's their whole identity. But anyway, so, so yeah, so
• 32:32
  that's my first thing is, is as upsetting as it is, Perry's exit
• 32:36
  is really powerfully done. And Collins, we, we, we
• 32:41
  mentioned Collins reaction when he says you killed Perry.
• 32:44
  But immediately afterwards, also in the, in the trial, he says,
• 32:48
  he says, you know, the, the, the high Council has no right to, to
• 32:54
  where is it? Where's my line?
• 32:55
  Sorry, yes, when he says the high council has no right to
• 33:00
  order Perry's or anyone else's death.
• 33:02
  And there's this catch in his voice.
• 33:04
  So you can just sense that this it really, really effects him.
• 33:09
  And then yes, the so my second thing would be the guest cast
• 33:12
  because the the the Colin and Nicola are great, but the, the
• 33:15
  rest of the guest cast are so good.
• 33:18
  I mean, we mentioned Brian Blessed.
• 33:21
  So you know, the, the, the, the, the.
• 33:26
  Flayfish sustains the body fuse the.
• 33:30
  Warrior. Spirit.
• 33:33
  But I also, yeah, I also like Crozier because he's he just
• 33:40
  seems to be so done with everyone's shit.
• 33:42
  He's so sort of like deadpan for most of the story.
• 33:46
  And then it's at the end when when the when they kill Perry,
• 33:50
  that there's this madness behind his eyes and the full mad
• 33:52
  scientist thing comes out finally.
• 33:55
  So it's a very clever performance where he's been
• 33:57
  playing it down through the whole thing and then he finally
• 34:00
  explodes at the end, you know, And how does she where he is
• 34:03
  when? When it looks like Keith's going
• 34:05
  to die and it just goes over to her and go you'll not die on me.
• 34:08
  And the half? Heartedness sort of fact is
• 34:10
  trying to just putting. CPR on everything you're not on
• 34:14
  the baseball star. Nice.
• 34:16
  Great. And we didn't.
• 34:18
  Mention Christopher. Ryan But he's very funny in
• 34:20
  this, that voice that he has. So it's no wonder they brought
• 34:25
  him back as general style in the new series and and yes, and and
• 34:31
  finally the look, because when they when they first arrive on
• 34:36
  what? What's the name of the planet
• 34:37
  Thoros? Thoros Beta Beta yes.
• 34:40
  Yes. So that sort of, yeah, pink and
• 34:43
  blue and green. And it's it's it's shows that
• 34:46
  even even in season 23, Doctor Who is still being inventive
• 34:51
  with that Vista of the distant moon and the pink water.
• 34:55
  And you can tell, yes, that that it's kind of a filter and it's
• 34:59
  awkwardly kind of done, but it's to to show that sort of level of
• 35:03
  of invention. Still, I think is is really
• 35:05
  good. You've been so GA.
• 35:08
  Y Daniel G. AY, yeah, it's.
• 35:11
  A club in London. Basically, if you go on a
• 35:12
  Saturday night, it basically looks like Fort Ross beta every
• 35:15
  time. You know purples, pinks,
• 35:18
  there's. Also lots of bald headed.
• 35:20
  Men in there as well and loads of bears.
• 35:23
  Little pink pteroleptils. There's a few werewolves.
• 35:25
  As well Jesus. And it's not just your mind
• 35:30
  they're warping. You're brought Brown.
• 35:34
  Behave yourself and we mentioned seal.
• 35:38
  Who, Yeah, is so vile in vengeance on Varos.
• 35:41
  And here he's more of a comedy character where, you know, he's
• 35:44
  so deferential and sycophantic towards Kiev, you know?
• 35:46
  Oh, magnificence. Oh, you look.
• 35:50
  So. So, Jeff, I could lose an
• 35:52
  important fish. Concession there you.
• 35:54
  Go half my. Money if you give me a 5 second
• 35:57
  start all right, you prophetess names all my money he's great
• 36:02
  and he he would have been a great companion.
• 36:04
  You're right, he would have been great and.
• 36:08
  So yeah, of Wilco. And it's as it is the sort of
• 36:11
  the sort of sequel to Vengeance on Varos, but it kind of
• 36:14
  scathingly deconstructs the, the, the previous season, you
• 36:17
  know, again, everyone, everyone, pretty much everyone involved is
• 36:21
  a bastard and no one wins in the end.
• 36:23
  And it all ends really unpleasantly, which I, I do
• 36:27
  think is a brave place for Doctor Who to go, even when
• 36:30
  they're trying to be more, more, more humorous and more friendly
• 36:35
  this season. You know, especially that you
• 36:38
  know that that warm, that warm camaraderie between the Doctor
• 36:41
  and Perry where they have to resuscitate the what?
• 36:46
  What is it I? Remember the name of the
• 36:48
  monster? What?
• 36:49
  Is it the RAH? The.
• 36:50
  Rah, sorry. Yes.
• 36:52
  And and he says, oh, you know, would nurse, nurse, Nurse Brown,
• 36:55
  will you perform the skedaddle test?
• 36:57
  It's great. Come over here.
• 36:58
  And oh, that's just yeah, they have a shorthand together which
• 37:01
  I think come round here. I think you'll find the
• 37:03
  alternative would be a lot worse.
• 37:07
  Get your acting skills for Bloody.
• 37:08
  Good news, it's very. Funny isn't it?
• 37:11
  It's got some great one liners like Then Where Will You Be?
• 37:15
  Dead. No, wasn't that.
• 37:20
  There's something, there's something this dark.
• 37:22
  There are some absolute comedy gold peppered through it.
• 37:25
  Are they? Oh, and Perry plays.
• 37:27
  Peacemaker between Dorf and You can't, That's just she.
• 37:31
  Can't waiting to happen, isn't it?
• 37:32
  Let's rest 1st and. Then March.
• 37:34
  There's a good world, huh? Oh, it's like she's in the room
• 37:39
  the last time I heard a Perry. Worse than that was Colin
• 37:42
  reading out Attack an Asylum and noble.
• 37:43
  I was like. Destiny, isn't that just.
• 37:47
  A fancy name for blank Chance destiny.
• 37:51
  No chance. Oh yes, it's going through
• 37:56
  fabulous. Joe, do you want to go next?
• 37:59
  No, I want you to go. Next, because I am very
• 38:01
  intrigued to hear what you have to say and I'd like the deciding
• 38:04
  vote. Well, I'm going to start by.
• 38:06
  Saying I don't understand why people, we've touched on it
• 38:08
  already, why people find this confusing?
• 38:10
  Because I don't think it's confusing at all.
• 38:13
  In Episode 5, before the Doctor gets put into the machine, I say
• 38:17
  exactly what he's saying, Joe, about him absorbing some of
• 38:20
  Brian Blessed's energy. But also, we've just seen the
• 38:23
  Doctor energy. Yeah, we've just seen the Doctor
• 38:27
  pull that machine to bits, and then he gets put straight into
• 38:29
  it. So clearly something has gone
• 38:31
  wrong with it. The Doctor's mind gets
• 38:33
  scrambled, as I said, a la mind warp of the title.
• 38:36
  And then for Episode 6, the Doctor, when he comes back to
• 38:40
  the trial, he's not saying that didn't happen, which is what he
• 38:42
  does in Vervoids. He constantly says, I don't
• 38:45
  remember. So there is a big difference.
• 38:47
  At that point. I think it's very clear his mind
• 38:50
  has been scrambled and what we're seeing is the truth.
• 38:53
  That's the Doctor with his mind being scrambled because Crozier
• 38:58
  trusts him to do everything. He trusts him to take away Perry
• 39:00
  and torture on the rocks, which he does.
• 39:03
  That's very different then when we start coming into 7 and 8,
• 39:06
  when it the Doctor, the way Colin acts, he's toned it right
• 39:09
  the way down. So I always read that is fine.
• 39:12
  Colin's now got over this temporary bout of insanity.
• 39:16
  He's coming back to himself, and now he is pretending to be on
• 39:20
  the side of prose. Yeah, just not explicit.
• 39:22
  It's not explicit and it's. Not it's not.
• 39:24
  There's no point where he's repentant.
• 39:25
  And goes, Oh yeah, sorry, I'll change up on those rocks.
• 39:28
  That was absolutely not. Maybe he's had.
• 39:30
  Very little time together after that.
• 39:31
  In fact, the last scene. Between the doctor and Perry is
• 39:34
  at the end of Episode 2, where she goes look at what you are
• 39:37
  now. I hate your guts and they never
• 39:40
  see each other again. Yeah, which is tragic.
• 39:41
  It's. Really.
• 39:42
  So it's not. That they started though, right?
• 39:44
  So full circle. Very true.
• 39:48
  But apart from that, I am going to say about Mind Warp that I
• 39:52
  absolutely fucking love Mind Warp.
• 39:55
  Yes, it's by far for me the favorite story of this too.
• 39:59
  We've got this completely. Wrong, John I.
• 40:00
  Thought this was the one you hated?
• 40:02
  I love mind warp I. Think it's brilliant.
• 40:06
  My first reason for loving it is part 5 S right from the very
• 40:10
  start of this story you can see and hear there is completely
• 40:14
  different mysterious planet. The music that heralds the
• 40:17
  spaceship is suddenly dark and foreboding.
• 40:20
  The trial scene is played seriously.
• 40:22
  We get rid of all those juvenile jokes about name calling.
• 40:26
  We're in some more sophisticated language 1 upmanship.
• 40:29
  And then Matt, you were talking about the the kind of trial
• 40:32
  interruptions saying you thought they kind of faulted a bit here.
• 40:35
  I think in episode 5 they're brilliant because I don't want
• 40:39
  to pre empt mysterious planet. But in mysterious planet the
• 40:43
  interruptions don't necessarily add to the story.
• 40:45
  In episode 5 they absolutely do. There are three trial
• 40:48
  interruptions, and they all make complete sense for a trial
• 40:52
  scenario. You've got the first one when
• 40:55
  the Valliard picks up the Doctor saying who else is there, and
• 40:58
  the Valliard says, yes, this shows your arrogance.
• 41:01
  Perfectly justified, makes sense.
• 41:03
  The second is following the death of the rock and the
• 41:05
  Doctor's defending himself. And again, the Valliard says
• 41:08
  there's more to come. So lots of foreshadowing coming.
• 41:11
  And then the Third Point is when the Valliard makes the point
• 41:13
  that Perry is the first one to go into danger, when they have
• 41:16
  that conversation about your companions, go twice into
• 41:18
  danger, the number of times is you.
• 41:20
  And again, it's all this very clever foreshadowing.
• 41:23
  You don't know at the time, but that's there is something bad
• 41:26
  coming down the track and I think the whole atmosphere and
• 41:29
  the music all starts telling you something is wrong here, this is
• 41:33
  not right. Maybe part of the problem is?
• 41:35
  That the main story is interesting enough and well
• 41:39
  executed enough that you just don't want to come away from it
• 41:41
  because yeah, that's that point. Those trial scenes are making.
• 41:44
  Sense because it's still halting the action no matter what it
• 41:46
  does it does but I think they. I think we're finally making
• 41:49
  good use of of the trial umbrella, which I don't think we
• 41:52
  have done today. So that kind of works.
• 41:55
  You've talked about it before, the wonderful use of paint box
• 41:58
  and the pink skies and the blue season and the planet Thora
• 42:01
  sulphur in the background hanging there in the sky looks
• 42:03
  absolutely beautiful. I'm going to call out the it's
• 42:06
  done better in greatest. Show and in season 26 I don't
• 42:09
  think it's ever done better than mine.
• 42:11
  Warp. I think it's just yeah.
• 42:13
  It looks brilliant. The fact that they walk into
• 42:15
  just everything about it, it just feels quite incongruous and
• 42:18
  wrong, but right at the same time.
• 42:20
  And even like when he zaps that rock and the rock imploding
• 42:23
  itself, which usually would look incredibly polystyrene or like a
• 42:27
  balloon being right down because it's in blue, you kind of accept
• 42:31
  that and it looks much better. So I think the visuals look
• 42:34
  great, The music. I loved him.
• 42:35
  I was going to call Rich Tartley out as one of my three reasons,
• 42:38
  but I've had squeeze it Hex so many great things to talk about
• 42:41
  this story. But the musics great.
• 42:43
  We get to meet all the supporting cast.
• 42:45
  Daniel, you're absolutely right, an amazing cast.
• 42:48
  I'm going to add a Libby Parsons to that as well as Matrona
• 42:52
  because I love Matrona. Don't even she's so.
• 42:54
  Camp. She's so camp.
• 42:56
  That's why I love her. She's.
• 42:59
  Amazing. The whole cast is fantastic.
• 43:02
  So my first reason is Part 5. My second reason, Matt, you just
• 43:06
  touched on the end there. This is hilarious.
• 43:09
  It's one of the funniest Doctor Who stories from the classic era
• 43:12
  whilst embracing the darkness, which is a very difficult thing
• 43:15
  to put those two together. And some of the humour is quite
• 43:18
  dark, some of it's quite broad. It just hits the spot.
• 43:21
  There's so many things. I just burst out laughing.
• 43:24
  Episode 1 where you've got Brian Blessed lying on the lying on
• 43:28
  the couch with the machine on and Reichardt thinks that he's
• 43:31
  he's knocked out and all Brian Blessed does is open his eyes
• 43:35
  and go stomp. It's just so funny.
• 43:39
  Everything Brian Blessed does. This is comedy genius.
• 43:43
  I take great exceptions to people in the comments that
• 43:45
  said, oh, he's just been Brian Blessed.
• 43:47
  Not at all. All those ticks and whistles
• 43:49
  everywhere. Every line he delivers has got a
• 43:52
  unique way of delivery. It's best.
• 43:54
  It is the best. Bit is when he comes well after
• 43:57
  Dorf dies and he's really, and he underplays it brilliantly and
• 44:01
  goes, no, you know, he ties an orderable death and then he's
• 44:04
  like, right, let's fucking kill a lot of them, let's go all up.
• 44:09
  You know, Rumble Solomon, It's, it's just.
• 44:12
  I'm sure that's. Not on the page.
• 44:14
  He's really brought life to that.
• 44:17
  We talked about the scene where he talks about being reborn
• 44:19
  until he becomes a God, but there's so many other funny
• 44:22
  scenes in here still trying to wake up Kev and you get his face
• 44:26
  right in the camera. And Kev wakes up.
• 44:30
  Like, oh. Getting away from.
• 44:31
  Me, the old. Mentor in.
• 44:33
  Episode 4 would rather die than have you kind of shout.
• 44:36
  That's it. He's the best character of the.
• 44:38
  Whole just go. Just go.
• 44:41
  Believe once he's in the. Fisherman's body just becomes
• 44:43
  With fish. He's constantly can I smell fish
• 44:46
  and it's just it is hilarious. Doesn't he go at 1.0?
• 44:51
  For one wish wiggling moment, I thought you were going to kill
• 44:53
  him. It's just it's.
• 44:56
  Comedy gold. And my third reason?
• 44:59
  Sorry Matt, I'm taking exception to you.
• 45:01
  I think Perry's fate here is magnificent.
• 45:04
  Look, trial had got to make an impact.
• 45:05
  And yes, whilst we love the campery of Linda Bellingham.
• 45:09
  Linda Bellingham It's not something that's massively going
• 45:11
  to grab audiences. So they've needed to do
• 45:13
  something brave, something powerful, something shocking.
• 45:16
  And I think they do that here by by killing Perry.
• 45:19
  It's got so hideously with the blurred pictures, the slow
• 45:24
  motion, the bald cap on Perry, a voice treatment, it finally
• 45:28
  makes trial into event TV. And the fact that Time Lords
• 45:31
  have sanctioned this and turn Yukonos into as an assassin, you
• 45:34
  know, there's suddenly real drama here.
• 45:37
  So yeah, I cannot say enough good things about Mind Warp.
• 45:40
  I absolutely adore it. It is funny though, how
• 45:42
  suddenly. Sagacity in the trial room
• 45:44
  suddenly seems to be the spokesperson for all of the
• 45:46
  time. But you have you have picked.
• 45:49
  Up the one for a mess. Yeah, she.
• 45:52
  Suddenly knows everything up to. Now she knows nothing, and then
• 45:54
  all of a sudden in that final scene, she knows everything.
• 45:57
  So yeah, they needed another character.
• 45:59
  I really thought you were going. To pan that one, no.
• 46:02
  I've always loved mine more but. Watching it, I've watched it
• 46:05
  many times, but watching it with a critical eye for this, I just
• 46:08
  think it's an amazing bit of TV. Well, unfortunately I don't
• 46:11
  really. Have too much to add because
• 46:13
  everyone said every single one of my notes.
• 46:16
  The music is brilliant. The sets, the sets look so
• 46:19
  expensive. That fabulous door that Colin
• 46:21
  Baker keeps going on about that was getting paid more than
• 46:23
  Nicola Bryant when he found the invoice lying around on the set.
• 46:26
  Even that looks amazing. The lighting for this, This is
• 46:29
  Ron Jones who directed Time Flight, for God's sakes.
• 46:32
  And those, you know, wobbling poos on that sound stage.
• 46:35
  I mean, what the hell? You actually see Ron Jones learn
• 46:38
  how to direct and he gets better and better because you go for
• 46:42
  Frontiers Vengeance of Varos, Black Orchid, Arc of.
• 46:46
  Infinity. Yeah.
• 46:47
  He sort of gets better all the time.
• 46:49
  So the production value for a Doctor Who budget, I'm not sure
• 46:53
  what Jonathan Morris was talking about with this story because I
• 46:55
  think they are sort of on par with at this point.
• 46:57
  Can I just throw in as well, Joe you?
• 46:58
  Might be saying but can I just throw in the lighting as well
• 47:00
  the strobe? Lighting the strobe is just
• 47:04
  we've. Had so many of those.
• 47:05
  Dreadful. Up, up Colin Baker's nose.
• 47:07
  Cliffhangers. But this time Ron Jones goes
• 47:09
  right. Just make sure that strobe
• 47:11
  light's ready to go as soon as I zoom in so it's complete
• 47:14
  blackness. And then his face just lights up
• 47:17
  and then the music cuts in it's wonderful direction.
• 47:20
  I think the last episode is one of the best last episodes in all
• 47:24
  of Doctor Who. And it's because Doctor Who
• 47:26
  doesn't really do injustice or that's not fair.
• 47:29
  There's usually like a nice resolution things in Doctor Who.
• 47:32
  And I really love the fact that a bit like Earth shock you get.
• 47:36
  And I remember feeling at age 13, that sick feeling in your
• 47:39
  gut that something is wrong here.
• 47:41
  This is not going the way Doctor Who's.
• 47:43
  And then when the TARDIS takes the Doctor away and suddenly
• 47:47
  he's on the track, I'm like, what is going on?
• 47:49
  I knew things were going bad. And then parents death is
• 47:53
  unbelievably dramatic. I I love it and I know it's
• 47:56
  awful. But I think if Nicola Bryan
• 47:59
  endorses that ending and she, you know, she wanted to go out
• 48:02
  of the bang and boy did she. Yeah, I think it's it's a
• 48:05
  wonderful last episode. It's truly dramatic.
• 48:08
  And all those great things you guys said about Colin Baker in
• 48:11
  the last scene, you know, he's sort of under playing it.
• 48:14
  He's devastated. You know, it's a six doctor
• 48:17
  we've not really seen before. But right at the end, of course,
• 48:20
  the old Collins back. I have every intention of
• 48:24
  finding out what it is and zoom in on his face, of course.
• 48:28
  And you know he's going to tear down that entire fucking
• 48:30
  courtroom by the end of this season.
• 48:31
  Because you know who would want to be on the wrong side of Colin
• 48:34
  Baker when he was angry? Unfortunately enough, the
• 48:36
  Vervoids. Next but that's that's still to
• 48:39
  come and just. Perry's role in this story, I
• 48:42
  think it's it's wonderful. You said it already.
• 48:44
  The skedaddle test, the the sitcom in the making, Her and
• 48:49
  Yukanos. I would love to watch that.
• 48:53
  Yeah, I think Nicola Bryan in both Mysterious Planet and Mind
• 48:56
  Warp gets great opportunities of the sort she wasn't really
• 48:58
  getting in 22. So yeah, I think it's a great
• 49:01
  production. I think it ends brilliantly.
• 49:03
  I think it's not the best of the year, but it's out there.
• 49:08
  Let's put it through. So Mind Warp.
• 49:10
  Goes through Daniel, your story, right?
• 49:15
  Let's talk about mysterious planets because this is probably
• 49:20
  my favorite. I so Rod, you remember the
• 49:26
  previous time I was on, we talked about the Crotons maybe.
• 49:31
  There. Is more planning.
• 49:32
  To this than before which I. Guess what?
• 49:34
  It's. The crotons too, Yes, Well,
• 49:37
  quite. Yes, I, I, we, so I, I remember
• 49:39
  being I quite enjoy the Crotons, but I didn't end up putting it
• 49:43
  through. We had another guest on who was
• 49:45
  far more scathing than I was. Can't you imagine?
• 49:47
  Who you who you mean? We love you, Gary, but after?
• 49:53
  But after, yeah, after watching those crotons going, you know, 7
• 49:57
  Vector 0, seeing the updated version in Mysterious Planet
• 50:03
  with the robot draftro, that's his name is a huge improvement.
• 50:10
  So that's not to say that Robert Hose entirely remade the
• 50:13
  Crotons, but the, the sort of big kind of ideas are still
• 50:17
  there. And it's just, I don't know if
• 50:20
  it's if he had help or if there were other contributions.
• 50:24
  But for a, for a, for a script that's from a writer who was not
• 50:29
  very well at the time, and it's one of the last scripts he ever
• 50:33
  wrote. It's I mean it that that script
• 50:36
  is just one great line after another.
• 50:40
  The dialogue just, I mean, I was, I had, I was, it was making
• 50:44
  me giddy. I was having so much fun
• 50:45
  watching it. Will you give us a quote please
• 50:48
  you? Must have one written down
• 50:49
  somewhere. So many.
• 50:50
  Oh. Can't we just have the edited
• 50:52
  highlights? No.
• 50:54
  Typical episodic. I can't remember that long
• 50:57
  interface. Thank you.
• 50:59
  Well, Colin especially. I mean, he gets all the best
• 51:01
  ones. So, you know, that's the problem
• 51:03
  with, that's the problem with pallid little swats like you
• 51:06
  Balazar, You gotta even organize kind of vision stoning.
• 51:13
  What else? Oh yes, well, he does get one
• 51:16
  kite clanger of a line. I think it's at the episode at
• 51:19
  the end of episode 2, the cliffhanger where they're being
• 51:21
  chased and they used to get chased into the tunnel and
• 51:23
  they're all kind of trapped and Colin goes, I think this could
• 51:27
  be the end. Oh, come.
• 51:29
  On you've. Been in worse places and people
• 51:33
  say that mind. Warp has a knowing eye.
• 51:35
  Come on now and. Well, a lot of the the, the
• 51:38
  great dialogue has helped. Well, Robert Holmes brings back
• 51:42
  all his great double axe. So not just the doctor and
• 51:45
  Perry, but glitz and dibber. Oh my God, it's getting.
• 51:51
  Warm in here. Oh, he's so.
• 51:53
  Hot, isn't he a. Bear of the Month for this
• 51:55
  story. Well, you've got a bear.
• 51:57
  And you've got an autumn there that that way he's styled.
• 52:01
  His beard is just styled. It's just great.
• 52:05
  I could just see you with that. Beard.
• 52:06
  Actually, Daniel, well, don't I look like a philanthropist?
• 52:11
  Well, how would I know? I've never.
• 52:12
  Seen one. So yeah.
• 52:16
  So Glitz and Dibber and also those two, those two who are
• 52:20
  locked in with the robot, What is it?
• 52:21
  Hunka and Andrew. That's.
• 52:24
  Right. Yes.
• 52:26
  Who have these kind of endlessly dry lines.
• 52:29
  So there's one where they're always bickering and, you know,
• 52:33
  one of them says, says, you know, they're coming towards us.
• 52:38
  Oh Hunka, you have a gift for the obvious.
• 52:42
  He calls. Colin.
• 52:43
  Hideous in the extreme, yeah. Well, yes.
• 52:48
  And then? And, and Drathro gets so
• 52:49
  annoyed, you know, he's like silence you, you 2 drain my
• 52:52
  energy reserve with your constant constant infantile
• 52:55
  bickering. So, yeah, there's so many great
• 52:58
  lines to that, but there's also some great humor with yeah, with
• 53:01
  Colin and and Nicola too, because you know, there's that
• 53:05
  bit where he gets, well, he gets tied up three times during this
• 53:08
  story. And, and, and there's, I think
• 53:12
  it's the second time where he's he's just coming round and, and
• 53:16
  he thinks she's Sarah Jane, which.
• 53:19
  You know, this is a nice. And she's like, no, I'm not the
• 53:22
  Sarah Jane, I'm Perry. And he immediately goes back to
• 53:24
  barking orders. Is he trying to do a Tom
• 53:26
  Mitchell? Yeah, of course he's my.
• 53:27
  Head hurts a bomber. Bru.
• 53:29
  Sarah Jane, Yeah, it's. The worst one I've.
• 53:31
  Ever heard whilst the camera's shooting up his nostril?
• 53:37
  So that's so those so. Yeah, those are the two main
• 53:40
  reasons is, is, is Robert Holmes and and Colin Baker as well.
• 53:45
  Who, who really sells it? He and he and Nicola.
• 53:47
  I love Perry's outfit in this. The the sort of the, the, the
• 53:51
  glamorous kind of blazer that she has and the, and I think
• 53:55
  there's that there's that amazing from publicity shot of
• 53:58
  them both having twirling boaters top hats and yeah, top.
• 54:02
  Hats and canes are so giant. See, isn't it?
• 54:06
  We're back, baby. Razzmatazz makes makes them
• 54:09
  magic. There is there.
• 54:11
  Is also a bit of but a bit of pathos in there too, because you
• 54:15
  know, there's there's another pairing which I didn't mention,
• 54:18
  Merdeen and Grell, I think, or Greal.
• 54:21
  Grell. Grell, Yeah.
• 54:24
  Merdeen, Mr. Train. But yeah, there's that.
• 54:28
  Yeah. Because he ends up killing Grell
• 54:33
  and saving the Doctor and Perry. And then they have that moment
• 54:35
  where he's kind of, yeah, standing over, well, crouching
• 54:38
  over his dead body. And he seems really upset by it,
• 54:41
  you know? And well, Colin and Nicola have
• 54:46
  a couple of moments like that too, where he gives that
• 54:48
  gorgeous speech about, you know, macho disperses and I can't, I
• 54:53
  can't remember the rest tonight, sorry.
• 54:55
  But but yeah, she's my defence. Don't worry.
• 54:59
  OK, great then. But he.
• 55:02
  And then? And that bit where he's trying
• 55:04
  to win Draffrow round as well. And he gives that whole speech
• 55:07
  about life and, and, and how and the function of life and
• 55:12
  everything. Everything's supposed to have a
• 55:13
  purpose. So, you know, there's a lot of
• 55:16
  there is a lot of the bit of the spiritual there in there as
• 55:20
  well, I think. And my final reason, which is
• 55:23
  it's a quite basic one, but they're just them running around
• 55:27
  the woods a lot, which I I think that Doctor Who has this
• 55:29
  charming thing that it does where it takes some woods and it
• 55:33
  says it's an alien planet. And after about 20 minutes,
• 55:36
  you're like, yeah, it's an alien planet.
• 55:38
  Yeah. And you know, they've done that
• 55:40
  in the new Series A little bit as well.
• 55:42
  But but not just that, the, the, the gorgeous opening shot at the
• 55:48
  beginning of that model shot, which cost, you know, £8000.
• 55:51
  And they pan around, you know that station and you see the
• 55:56
  TARDIS go down and, and it's just brilliant and music there
• 56:00
  as. Well, that belt holding and it
• 56:02
  sounds quite like a. Funeral almost.
• 56:04
  It's going to be the most expensive.
• 56:06
  Doctor Who season ever until Colin Baker arrived.
• 56:09
  Until shot 2. The Tardis.
• 56:11
  Wobbles, yeah. Fabulous.
• 56:14
  Shall we go to the comments? James Lark says.
• 56:17
  Genuinely creates a sense that something epic is beginning.
• 56:20
  It all looks great with gorgeous location work and a hugely
• 56:23
  atmospheric beneath the plant. The ape style underground sets
• 56:26
  creating the thrill of a wider mystery and a hint of
• 56:29
  conspiracy. Also this is really fun and
• 56:31
  funny. Shame the trial itself is
• 56:33
  already a bit of a damp square. John.
• 56:36
  I never thought I'd. Ever hear John Bensarlia
• 56:38
  criticize anything in the classic series?
• 56:40
  I think it's just gone to his head now.
• 56:41
  Hasn't it Holmes by? Numbers, but the Doctor and
• 56:45
  Perry relationship is a lot more relaxed and glitz is an instant
• 56:48
  here. But courtroom bickering does
• 56:50
  nothing for me. The season's main flaw?
• 56:52
  Jones Sims has Cuddles the monkey on her head.
• 56:57
  Only so, Luke. Sims Jenkins says the casting
• 56:59
  characters are great and Colin is fantastic.
• 57:02
  You can tell Holmes didn't write the courtroom stuff though.
• 57:04
  I wish Judge Lady was serval and rather than serve a bland but
• 57:08
  keep it Oh no I that. No, no, no, no, no.
• 57:11
  Oh, you see, you wrote the. Courtroom scene stuff.
• 57:15
  You. You.
• 57:15
  Can't. Insult Dame Linda Bellingham and
• 57:18
  Colin's petulance. That has come from Robert Holmes
• 57:21
  for sure. I mean, sure, he wrote in the
• 57:24
  script he, you know, he sits down like a a child that's won
• 57:27
  the argument every single time, John Arnold says.
• 57:30
  Plenty of mitigating circumstances given it's a
• 57:32
  seriously ill writer being ill treated by the BBC hierarchy.
• 57:37
  There's elements of Holmes's wit and big ideas, but bar Tony
• 57:40
  Selby, the execution is all around flats.
• 57:45
  Michael Storms is a. Reasonable opener, but it feels
• 57:47
  like Holmes is stroking his inner Terry Nation, revisiting
• 57:50
  his greatest hits with dramatically diminishing
• 57:52
  returns. Nitz and Deb are fun, as is
• 57:55
  Balazar, Drathro sounds permanently constipated, and the
• 57:58
  two geniuses make me think of a shit version of children's
• 58:01
  comedians Trevor and Simon Bennett he mentioned.
• 58:04
  Constipation, shit like, has he got some issues?
• 58:07
  Michael Storm, Paul Cresser says.
• 58:09
  That opening shot was incredible at the time, and the change in
• 58:12
  the Doctor Perry relationship was refreshing in retrospect.
• 58:16
  It's a bit lightweight for Holmes, and it's a shame that
• 58:18
  none of the other effects matched up to the opening, but
• 58:21
  it's still very watchable, Harris Bowley says.
• 58:24
  Great. Music, vocation, cast, and a
• 58:25
  story that's aligned to the great tales of destruction of
• 58:28
  our society and how we develop as a species.
• 58:31
  Plus the best looking robot ever in Who, the L1 and the 6th
• 58:37
  Doctrine. Perry are wonderful in harmony.
• 58:39
  Jack Coyer. Says part of this film or
• 58:41
  Douglas Adams and Bob Holmes, right down to the deliberately
• 58:44
  daft title. The first info dumped glitz and
• 58:47
  debut is incomprehensibly bad. I can't believe it makes it to
• 58:51
  the screen. Joan Sims knows exactly what's
• 58:53
  going on and her not Bill Reed is a fun addition, but my
• 58:57
  favorite is Trafro the paranoid Croton and the Aryan Rosencrantz
• 59:02
  and Guildenstern duo. Why do you always give me these
• 59:05
  tongue twisters? I wish that this whole story was
• 59:08
  just their shenanigans. Dave Rennie says my.
• 59:11
  Favorite soundtrack in all of Doctor Who, a much softer Dr.
• 59:15
  Perry relationship, lovely Homes characters Joan Sims and the
• 59:18
  courtroom setup is very intriguing.
• 59:21
  All done whilst not. Holmes's best.
• 59:23
  All of his trademark skills are there to see.
• 59:25
  Great double axe, well building and witty 1 liners.
• 59:28
  I love the new theme though. Not so sure now.
• 59:31
  Too much returning to the courtroom, which makes it seem
• 59:33
  disjointed, and Penn says it's my.
• 59:35
  Favorite 6th Doctor adventure, That scene of 6th and Perry
• 59:39
  bright and colourful in the misty forest, not fighting but
• 59:42
  faithful bands is beautiful glitz.
• 59:44
  Dibber, Balazar, great side characters.
• 59:47
  Glenn score, Bab set design of Mop station.
• 59:50
  There's so much to love, Andy Parkinson.
• 59:52
  Lots of fun moments, especially Glitz and Debar Jones Sims,
• 59:56
  maybe a you. Please not go.
• 59:58
  Every time you say glitz and debar.
• 1:00:00
  Wow, glitz is so hot. The robots are completely pants,
• 1:00:03
  but it's a good start to the season.
• 1:00:05
  I think you meant Debbar, not. Glitz.
• 1:00:08
  I know, I know what I said. OK, I.
• 1:00:11
  Said what I said. OK, Ian Banks says.
• 1:00:15
  Superb opening shots, The great first episode followed by an OK
• 1:00:19
  story interrupted by a courtroom drama that made increasingly
• 1:00:22
  less sense as it went along. Hey, JP, the.
• 1:00:25
  Trial interjections work really well here, and it's a fine
• 1:00:28
  enough opener, but it feels like a bit like Hinchcliffe to
• 1:00:31
  William Shift in tone from the previous season.
• 1:00:34
  Why is that a bad thing? Dan Follinsworth.
• 1:00:37
  Said basically finals awardian bickering equals drama is less
• 1:00:41
  intrusive, subpar Holmes is still good doctor, and the guest
• 1:00:44
  characters are fun and finally. CSO Fringe says what a bizarre
• 1:00:50
  decision to go from an incredible motion control effect
• 1:00:52
  sequence to a standard studio interior, and then not to shoot
• 1:00:57
  any other planets or ships in the same way again during the
• 1:00:59
  season. All start with a bang.
• 1:01:02
  All the money had gone. On that one shot.
• 1:01:05
  Except that door. In my warp.
• 1:01:08
  Yeah, the door in the opening. Shot.
• 1:01:10
  That's it. So, Matt, mysterious planet, yay
• 1:01:15
  or nay? Well.
• 1:01:17
  Whereas yours is simple case of sociopathy, Daniel.
• 1:01:20
  My malaise is much more complex, I I think.
• 1:01:25
  I think the people who criticize who called out Robert Holmes
• 1:01:30
  definitely didn't write the trial scenes and he criticized
• 1:01:33
  the trial. I I could not disagree more.
• 1:01:35
  I think this is a total 180° from my view of mind warp.
• 1:01:39
  I think Holmes is loving writing those trial scenes and he makes
• 1:01:43
  it Gallifrey and Gogglebox. The whole point of this story is
• 1:01:48
  the trials. It's people watching a typical
• 1:01:51
  Doctor Who adventure and critiquing and commenting on it
• 1:01:54
  and having fun because Holmes gets the the reason why JMT and
• 1:02:00
  say would have decided to do this trial is because Doctor
• 1:02:03
  Who's come under criticism from the upper echelons of the BBC.
• 1:02:07
  And so Robert Holmes is making the Time Lords, the upper
• 1:02:11
  echelons of the BBC, having a bitchy commentary on a Doctor
• 1:02:15
  Who story. So they say things like I, I
• 1:02:18
  just love the sort of back and forth, like a certain amount of
• 1:02:21
  graphic detail is unavoidable. And are these unpleasant scenes
• 1:02:25
  necessary? So sort of really having a joke
• 1:02:29
  about their criticisms of the violence in season 22.
• 1:02:32
  She goes at one point. What is the?
• 1:02:34
  Relevance of this you can see Michael Grade watching the
• 1:02:36
  dailies coming in going Oh yeah, what is the relevance to any of
• 1:02:39
  this? Oh, why did you stop at the?
• 1:02:41
  Best. Bit.
• 1:02:44
  That's that's the Andrew. Carmel Remembrance of the
• 1:02:47
  Daleks. No, Rewind it.
• 1:02:48
  That's the point of the bloody story.
• 1:02:51
  So so I. Kind of think if, if, if you
• 1:02:53
  watch it and you think the trial scenes are getting in the way
• 1:02:55
  of, of the adventures on Ravalox, you're kind of watching
• 1:02:59
  it wrong. It's kind of like you should be.
• 1:03:01
  Ravalox is is a very archetypal Doctor Who story and it's all
• 1:03:06
  about how the people in the courtroom are reacting to it.
• 1:03:10
  I took exception a bit about the person who said it's Robert
• 1:03:12
  Holmes greatest hits, partly because I, I don't necessarily
• 1:03:15
  think it is, but also since when do people say, oh, the The
• 1:03:19
  Beatles Red album is rubbish? It's just their greatest hits.
• 1:03:22
  It's like Robert Holmes if it's bloody's greatest hits, it's
• 1:03:24
  awesome. Get over it.
• 1:03:26
  So I quite like the greatest hits.
• 1:03:30
  I quite I quite like Robert Holmes playing with double acts
• 1:03:33
  and leaning into what he does really, really well.
• 1:03:37
  And I think I totally agree with the comments around the robots.
• 1:03:41
  I think Draftro looks fantastic. I think Nick Mallett's direction
• 1:03:48
  is pretty good. I think he gets better with
• 1:03:49
  Paradise Towers and Cursor Fenrick.
• 1:03:51
  But you you look at some of those Davison stories and the
• 1:03:55
  way that the monsters are revealed, they just cut.
• 1:03:57
  They're just kind of there, the camp like you cut to a scene and
• 1:04:00
  the Silerians are just like standing round a thing having a
• 1:04:04
  chat or they just like they just wander into shot with no drama
• 1:04:09
  or whatever. Whereas draft row, there's a
• 1:04:13
  sort of bit of build up any sort of looms into the shot and it's
• 1:04:17
  you sort of get the sense that they're trying to make it visual
• 1:04:20
  and trying to tell this story with more more sort of cinematic
• 1:04:26
  drama than maybe they they had for the last few years.
• 1:04:29
  And a lot of the time I think in this one, they they do a pretty
• 1:04:32
  good job of it. Matt, you remember that time?
• 1:04:34
  You and I went on that date and you brought that fabulous gold
• 1:04:38
  lame handbag. Do you remember that?
• 1:04:41
  Oh yeah, That's when we were walking through the BFI.
• 1:04:43
  That's the one that I. Think Giraffe is the only person
• 1:04:46
  that's held up a handbag as eloquently?
• 1:04:49
  As you have, if I'm honest, do you think it's twinks of the?
• 1:04:53
  Burkin boyfriend? Absolutely they.
• 1:04:55
  Are sorry you're making such good points.
• 1:05:01
  No, I think that's that's. The end of my list, really, I
• 1:05:04
  think. I think Daniel covered all of my
• 1:05:06
  other points around this, I think.
• 1:05:09
  I think it's a good return for the Doctor and Perry.
• 1:05:13
  I like that they're getting on. If anyone's seen the extended
• 1:05:17
  bits on the season 23 Blu rays, I'm kind of quite glad they cut
• 1:05:22
  them very first. Arguing.
• 1:05:24
  Between them, because it works much more nicely when they're
• 1:05:27
  already sort of arm in arm and having a wander around the
• 1:05:30
  woods. I really like that.
• 1:05:33
  I, I think this one should go through.
• 1:05:35
  I like it. She's.
• 1:05:37
  Standing out the Tardis. In that cutscene and she's
• 1:05:39
  absolutely soaked out she's skin.
• 1:05:42
  Isn't she and that long shot of the.
• 1:05:45
  Tardis is so bad for once I went there.
• 1:05:49
  Get rid of it. Actually, most of them should
• 1:05:51
  have been cut. Shall I go next, Rod?
• 1:05:53
  No next. Row, I think Robert Holmes.
• 1:05:56
  Sums up the Doctor and Perry's relationship absolutely perfect
• 1:06:00
  with two lines where Perry goes, oh, Doctor, we've got to get out
• 1:06:03
  of here. And the Doctor goes, you're
• 1:06:05
  absolutely right here. We must find out what's going on
• 1:06:08
  here. And that just.
• 1:06:10
  And then at the end of the story, he sums up the Doctor
• 1:06:12
  better than Moffitt's 50th anniversary year.
• 1:06:17
  And any other time they try to sum up the Doctor, the Doctor
• 1:06:19
  says, I did my best. I only hope it's enough.
• 1:06:23
  That is the Doctor not this all powerful being, not all this
• 1:06:26
  bullshit we get in the new series.
• 1:06:28
  He's trying his best. Daniel, you are so right.
• 1:06:31
  The dialogue in this story is so good, I forget how good it is.
• 1:06:36
  I'm going to say the full speech.
• 1:06:37
  Unfortunately for that, the doctor says to Perry, he goes,
• 1:06:40
  planets come and go, stars, Paris, matter coalesces, reforms
• 1:06:45
  into other patterns, other worlds.
• 1:06:47
  Nothing can be eternal. Doesn't Colin deliver those
• 1:06:51
  wistful speeches? Do you remember the one Robert
• 1:06:53
  Holmes gave him in the two Doctors as well?
• 1:06:55
  So. To buy or every?
• 1:06:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one at the end.
• 1:07:00
  Like you said, well, everything in.
• 1:07:01
  Life has its purpose for Afro, every creature plays its part,
• 1:07:05
  but the purpose of life is too big to be knowable.
• 1:07:07
  A million computers couldn't solve that one.
• 1:07:09
  Yes, this is the big bully doctor that has no moments of
• 1:07:12
  poetry whatsoever. Gorgeous.
• 1:07:14
  Shut your. Face Cornell, all right.
• 1:07:15
  I'm looking at you. But he also writes.
• 1:07:19
  Very funny lines as well, Glitz and Dipper being the best
• 1:07:22
  example. Don't try and think about it
• 1:07:24
  Dipper, you'll give yourself a hernia is a great one.
• 1:07:28
  An uncanny knack with. Ageing.
• 1:07:29
  Females Dipper. Be silent.
• 1:07:32
  Fat 1 I have spread it in the. Flames.
• 1:07:38
  Many times we go. Forward.
• 1:07:42
  We didn't mention the the water. People with the book that.
• 1:07:46
  Was just funny. MO by Dick by.
• 1:07:49
  Herman Melville. But that wouldn't work, right?
• 1:07:51
  If you weren't getting Colin's reactions and the last one, HF
• 1:07:54
  stationary office and he goes, he goes.
• 1:07:59
  Very funny and he gets another. Brilliant line in the middle of
• 1:08:01
  the story as well. The doctor, he goes, never
• 1:08:02
  believe what is said Balazar, only what you know.
• 1:08:06
  This script is terrific in terms of like line by line.
• 1:08:10
  It's one of the best scripts we've had in years out of the
• 1:08:13
  80s in terms of quotable lives. And I genuinely think Collins
• 1:08:17
  doctor is revolutionized in this story for all the reasons you
• 1:08:19
  guys said. He's suddenly the hero.
• 1:08:21
  He runs into the place at the end and goes, Perry, I'm not
• 1:08:24
  going when there's people to save when in the last season he
• 1:08:27
  was going Perry, I'm off to murder those people over there
• 1:08:29
  and then we can go, you know, he's completely turned it
• 1:08:32
  around. I love him being petulant in the
• 1:08:35
  court as well. He's terrible.
• 1:08:36
  He goes not guilty. I am Lord president of
• 1:08:41
  Gallifrey. He goes, he's like a spoiled
• 1:08:44
  kid, isn't he? It's so, so funny.
• 1:08:47
  The scene where he tries to comfort Perry, heartbroken at
• 1:08:49
  loss of their planet is absolutely gorgeous as well.
• 1:08:53
  But I think my absolute favorite thing about this story is the
• 1:08:56
  entire guest cast. And again, I've said it a
• 1:08:59
  million times, I've strictly come hamster.
• 1:09:00
  I don't think JNT puts a foot wrong.
• 1:09:04
  Linda Bellingham. Is in there, Michael?
• 1:09:05
  Jason Joan Sims Joan Sims. She knows exactly what she's
• 1:09:09
  doing. Don't listen to people.
• 1:09:11
  To be fair, she did say in her. Own autobiography.
• 1:09:13
  She had no idea what that was going on.
• 1:09:15
  Well, she did well. Neither did Beryl Reed, but
• 1:09:18
  she's very true. Tony Selby.
• 1:09:20
  Charming as hell. Adam Blackwood is so cute.
• 1:09:23
  I love that character. Tom Chadburn is, you know he's
• 1:09:27
  not exactly doing Duggan, is he? But like Daniel said, he has
• 1:09:30
  some very moving moments. And obviously Glenn Murphy, we
• 1:09:33
  all want to lick his asshole. Sorry, not you Daniel, but the
• 1:09:36
  rest of us do. Yeah, I think.
• 1:09:39
  And Nick Mallets direction comes in for a lot.
• 1:09:41
  The people point a cursor Fenrick and say Oh my God, the
• 1:09:44
  peak of Mick Mallets direction. I think cursor Fenrick is a very
• 1:09:48
  shortly directed story, I think. Mysterious Planet, it has a lot
• 1:09:53
  of the same problems, but it's not trying to be this big
• 1:09:56
  dramatic Horror Story. It's a nice light opener, you
• 1:10:01
  know, an intriguing mystery to sort of ease us gently into the
• 1:10:04
  season. And that lightness of touch.
• 1:10:07
  We didn't have any of that in season 22, maybe Mark of the
• 1:10:09
  Ronnie, but that's about it. And it's so refreshing.
• 1:10:13
  It's so nice. So between that, the comedy
• 1:10:15
  lines, the double axe, the acting, I think it's quite
• 1:10:18
  wonderful. I've thoroughly enjoyed watching
• 1:10:20
  it this week. And yeah, I would like this one
• 1:10:23
  to go through as well. So it's definitely going through
• 1:10:25
  anyway. I remember I was at the infamous
• 1:10:28
  Showing up and Optic in 1986 when Part 1 was shown on the big
• 1:10:32
  screen for 700 Brain Doctor Who fans and we all sat there and
• 1:10:37
  cheered as the music came up. We cheered when Colin's face
• 1:10:40
  came up. Oh my God, the model shot at the
• 1:10:43
  beginning. We were all gas.
• 1:10:44
  Me. I know where this is going it.
• 1:10:47
  Then got to the end of the. Episode and you could hear.
• 1:10:53
  It was very, very muted. At the end, to be fair, Rod, you
• 1:10:56
  couldn't. Even hear that in the cinema
• 1:10:57
  where the Empire of Death was screening, you couldn't hear a
• 1:11:00
  pin drop when I walked out of there.
• 1:11:03
  Oh yeah, this. Was 800 Doctor Who fans so you
• 1:11:06
  would expect there to be a little bit more.
• 1:11:08
  I really don't like mysterious planets, so I'm going to go
• 1:11:11
  against you guys. I've never been a fan of it.
• 1:11:14
  Watching it again for this, I just find it awful.
• 1:11:18
  I'm sorry. This just does not work for me
• 1:11:21
  on any level. And ironically, the first thing
• 1:11:24
  I've picked is what you've all picked, but I can't stand it.
• 1:11:27
  It's the dialogue. The dialogue, you might it's
• 1:11:31
  torturous. And this is absolutely sorry.
• 1:11:34
  Oh God. You're a fan of muffins, I can
• 1:11:38
  see why this decent dialogue is not for you.
• 1:11:40
  Well, I love Bob. Holmes's usual dialogue, you
• 1:11:43
  know, he's bought all that rich, beautiful language and carnival
• 1:11:46
  and talons and some makers. To me here, this is just all,
• 1:11:52
  not all. No, it's not all.
• 1:11:54
  The majority is really clumsy and clunky.
• 1:11:58
  I mean, do I need to point to anything more than the scrap
• 1:12:02
  yard, the graveyard, the farmyard, the boatyard, the
• 1:12:05
  knackers yard? It's absolutely painful.
• 1:12:10
  Is it? The only time that.
• 1:12:11
  Comes. Back is in part 13, which is
• 1:12:13
  Holmes as well, so I'm not sure it is.
• 1:12:16
  It's absolutely. And then we do the same with
• 1:12:18
  hunker and tundra or handbag and handrail.
• 1:12:22
  I mean it's just so fucking torturous.
• 1:12:25
  Oh come on, you must have lied that bit about.
• 1:12:27
  The doctor's name, where he goes.
• 1:12:28
  I could stay here and write a thesis.
• 1:12:30
  Ancient Life on Revox by Doctor and then Perry did it better
• 1:12:34
  than series. 7 didn't it? No.
• 1:12:37
  No, I mean, this is doctor, doctors off the screen for 18
• 1:12:41
  months. This is the big comeback.
• 1:12:43
  Rather fantastic model shot to start with.
• 1:12:46
  The trial scene looks a little bit ropey, but then within 2
• 1:12:49
  seconds that we've got a camera just not moving, pointing at
• 1:12:53
  Tony Selby trying to say whereas yours is a simple case of
• 1:12:57
  sociopathy, Dibber, my malaise is much more complex.
• 1:13:00
  A deep rooted maladjustment, my psychiatrist said, brought on by
• 1:13:03
  an infantile inability to come to terms with the more pertinent
• 1:13:06
  concrete aspects of life. It's anxious if you want to.
• 1:13:10
  Slow. Anything down and just steal,
• 1:13:12
  anything dead just be. So he cannot sell that, he says,
• 1:13:16
  he says on the commentary. He loves that dialogue.
• 1:13:20
  He doesn't show it. It's just so flat and dull.
• 1:13:24
  And didn't you want the only fools?
• 1:13:26
  And horses in space with glitz and dipper.
• 1:13:28
  After he said that line. I did.
• 1:13:29
  No, I absolutely didn't. And then the conversation about
• 1:13:33
  the three holy books. It's just I find so much the
• 1:13:37
  language find it painful. The extended sequence of Joe,
• 1:13:42
  you just did it the the tribe deciding which way to go.
• 1:13:45
  Do we go forward or that's how Rick Saywood adding in a bit of
• 1:13:48
  padding, which he admits it's horrendous.
• 1:13:51
  So we've moved from Kinder and him adding.
• 1:13:53
  Padding in then oh, the dialogue is.
• 1:13:56
  My first one, the second one, Joe, again, you've just talked
• 1:13:59
  about the direction. I think the direction is so
• 1:14:01
  flat. It just doesn't give any lift or
• 1:14:04
  dynamism or atmosphere. It's very, it's not very
• 1:14:06
  different. From Curse of Henry at all.
• 1:14:08
  Well, we'll argue that one. Out but just think of that
• 1:14:10
  stoning sequence, the end of episode good one that just comes
• 1:14:13
  out of absolutely no. Why are they suddenly stoning
• 1:14:16
  him in in the middle of a a subterranean corridor that's
• 1:14:20
  brightly lit? Have you seen it?
• 1:14:22
  Fucking annoying rod. I'd grab a stone and stone just
• 1:14:25
  shot in the most pedestrian. Why you wonder why, Why it's
• 1:14:28
  there? And then the L1 robot, I mean
• 1:14:31
  the way it bursts into the heart and the Doctor helps himself on
• 1:14:34
  to it to hold him, that robot so much.
• 1:14:37
  He starts bumming it when it's tied up to it.
• 1:14:38
  It's. Just.
• 1:14:40
  Terrible. The scenes where Grell is
• 1:14:43
  stalking Morden in the corridor, I mean the first shot he's
• 1:14:47
  listening to Morden and Balasar telling each of you know you can
• 1:14:50
  go out to the surface and all you can see is Grell in the
• 1:14:53
  background. He's like fucking Mrs. Overall
• 1:14:55
  in Acorn Antiques because you could just see his head there
• 1:14:58
  hovering, listening to the whole thing.
• 1:15:00
  Subtlety, this is not. I realise I'm being contrary.
• 1:15:02
  Now, but you would have to sort of eliminate the entirety of 62
• 1:15:06
  if that's an issue for you, because I think it's in every
• 1:15:09
  single story. So Blake and.
• 1:15:12
  Then the crowning glory that you've obviously all chosen.
• 1:15:15
  Not to mention the big action set sequence in episode 4 where
• 1:15:20
  they go into the food preparation sequence and they
• 1:15:23
  just stand there while some laser bolts actually pass
• 1:15:27
  through them. They hit them every bloody time.
• 1:15:30
  No one falls over. The camera wobbles a little bit
• 1:15:33
  and then they burst out and a bit of gunk falls on Balazar's
• 1:15:36
  head like it's out of Noah's house party.
• 1:15:38
  You'll forget where. Where they all press a load of
• 1:15:41
  buttons. That is really exciting.
• 1:15:44
  It's. Anthony Amy Button.
• 1:15:45
  Pressing from Lagopoulos, the direction is terrible.
• 1:15:49
  What about when they when? They run through the woods and
• 1:15:52
  ask the cameras following them and you know, that's quite
• 1:15:55
  exciting, unlike those. Stationary car cameras and I
• 1:15:58
  didn't mention that bit. That's the.
• 1:15:59
  Him of all. Slowly come towards it.
• 1:16:01
  I quite like that bit Daniel. And then my.
• 1:16:05
  Crowning argument is the premise.
• 1:16:09
  There's just such a. Lack of thought of what they're
• 1:16:11
  trying to achieve there. This is intended to show the
• 1:16:14
  worst of the Doctor's actions, and yeah, it's probably the most
• 1:16:18
  vanilla storyline we're possibly going to get.
• 1:16:20
  Even the Doctor takes the piss out of it and says, is this the
• 1:16:22
  best you can do? But we're told the reason for
• 1:16:25
  its inclusion is that the Doctor starts the whole chain of
• 1:16:28
  events. Bollocks, He doesn't.
• 1:16:31
  The whole chain of events are set off by Glitz blowing up the
• 1:16:34
  black light converter. But that was going to happen
• 1:16:36
  irrespective of the Doctor being there, so it makes no sense.
• 1:16:39
  Roddy goes if that's all the. Muck you can rake up.
• 1:16:42
  Wake me up when you're finished. And I agree with him.
• 1:16:44
  You're so right. Mission statement for the season
• 1:16:47
  and then the worst. Worst bit, it comes back again
• 1:16:50
  in the in the two-part finale. They say the reason they're
• 1:16:53
  showing this is because or the reason they're doing this is to
• 1:16:56
  kind of cover up what the Time Lord's been up to with Earth
• 1:16:59
  slash Revlon. So why do they, if this is what
• 1:17:02
  they're trying to cover up, why do they use this as the evidence
• 1:17:05
  then why do they bleep out the bit of matrix so badly?
• 1:17:08
  So you see Tony Selby say the matrix.
• 1:17:12
  I have an answer for you. Would you like your?
• 1:17:14
  Attention to that. I have an answer for you.
• 1:17:16
  Go on. Well, spoilers, everybody.
• 1:17:18
  The Valiard is, in fact, the Doctor, but an evil version of
• 1:17:21
  the Doctor. Yeah, so he wants to fuck over
• 1:17:23
  the Time Lords and the Doctor. So it's like, right.
• 1:17:26
  I'm going to use this dreadful bit of history from the Time
• 1:17:29
  Lords past as part of my evidence to bring.
• 1:17:31
  No one gives a shit about it and.
• 1:17:33
  It's only these fusty old Time Lords that know about it that
• 1:17:35
  are watching it. That makes no sense.
• 1:17:37
  But it. Doesn't make any.
• 1:17:38
  Sense. They're just showing it to a
• 1:17:40
  crowd of. People who know what's going on
• 1:17:42
  but maybe intrigue the. Doctor enough to investigate it?
• 1:17:46
  Well, he didn't intrigue me. Enough, Matt, That's all I'm
• 1:17:48
  saying. It reminds me a little bit of
• 1:17:50
  those. You know, say, of sowing the
• 1:17:52
  seeds in those Moffett seasons and then they're not paying them
• 1:17:55
  off again. You've always got to try.
• 1:17:56
  To get nothing time is just kind of makes no sense.
• 1:18:01
  And then they tease us. Intriguing, don't you?
• 1:18:03
  Think. Well, I'll tell you what is
• 1:18:04
  intriguing. I'll tell you what I'm going to
• 1:18:07
  we don't. But what is intriguing is when
• 1:18:09
  they say that when Glitz and dip or Glitz says they've got all
• 1:18:13
  these matrix secrets and they're going to be sold across time and
• 1:18:16
  space, we think, wow. So we're going to say like the
• 1:18:18
  illegal dangerous use of time law technology.
• 1:18:21
  That's going to be fascinating. And we never see or hear from it
• 1:18:24
  again. So.
• 1:18:28
  It's it's in that. Series of.
• 1:18:30
  Amazing twists and the ultimate phone that never happened.
• 1:18:32
  Bang Bang. Bang, Bang, bang.
• 1:18:34
  So sorry, this one. For me is definitely out.
• 1:18:37
  Sorry, mysterious plants. It's a billion to one.
• 1:18:39
  Chance that there was a place called Marble Arch on Revlon
• 1:18:44
  rod. Oh, it should have been.
• 1:18:46
  Firebombed for good? No what?
• 1:18:49
  Sorry, but it is going. Through it is, going through it
• 1:18:51
  is. Going through may we continue my
• 1:18:54
  time. We may empty bang.
• 1:18:56
  Very good. Thank you, Daniel.
• 1:18:58
  Matt. Daniel, would you like to go to
• 1:19:01
  the second lot of viewers comments whilst I calm down from
• 1:19:05
  my rounds do? You want to start Daniel?
• 1:19:10
  So. OK, so Dan Pin says.
• 1:19:14
  First watched it when that gorgeous VHS TARDIS tin came out
• 1:19:18
  and fell in love with it. Don't understand all the hate.
• 1:19:20
  Colin is superb, softer with a twinkle in his eye yet still
• 1:19:24
  bombastic. I wish we had more time with
• 1:19:26
  Sixy and Mel. One of my comfort watches.
• 1:19:32
  Nathan Bottomley says oh, he's he's not pulling his punches.
• 1:19:37
  A fucking mess. The framing device is bafflingly
• 1:19:41
  undercooked after such a long lead up.
• 1:19:43
  Holmes writes episodes one to four in his sleep, Episodes 5 to
• 1:19:47
  8 are indefensibly misogynist, episodes 9 to 12 are delightful,
• 1:19:51
  and the two-part finale doesn't even aspire to making the
• 1:19:55
  slightest bit of sense. But still, I somehow love it.
• 1:19:58
  Except for that. Of course he does contrary gift.
• 1:20:05
  Brendan. Jones says despite the Time Lord
• 1:20:07
  heavy framing device, this is a push to make Doctor Who more
• 1:20:10
  modern story arcs, character introspection, personal stakes,
• 1:20:14
  monsters and villains with interesting motivations.
• 1:20:17
  It has problems, but everyone's trying hard.
• 1:20:20
  Collins at the height of his powers, but the trial scenes
• 1:20:23
  need more interesting direction as it's such a static set.
• 1:20:26
  Sorry Brendan, but that sounds. So oh, everyone's trying.
• 1:20:32
  Doesn't sound like the most glowing reference, does there?
• 1:20:35
  There are quite a lot of backward.
• 1:20:36
  Compliments in this? Yeah, I think so.
• 1:20:38
  I think so. Glenn Fitzgerald says a good.
• 1:20:40
  Season overall but could do without the jumping backwards
• 1:20:42
  and forwards in and out of the stories.
• 1:20:45
  Wouldn't really be a trial then though would it Glenn?
• 1:20:47
  It would just be like 4 stories. That's what he wants.
• 1:20:51
  He must have loved it when that Blu-ray came out.
• 1:20:54
  Si Hart. Says aged 11.
• 1:20:56
  I was so excited Doctor Who was coming back.
• 1:20:59
  The credit started and I had my first time commenting.
• 1:21:01
  It wasn't as good as it used to be.
• 1:21:04
  Although I've mellowed as I've got older and like it more now.
• 1:21:06
  We desperately needed something bigger and better in 1986.
• 1:21:10
  Where were the Daleks and Cybermen?
• 1:21:12
  Well, SI, Daleks, Cybermen, they're all in the nursery
• 1:21:16
  compared to us. Keep going with that quote.
• 1:21:20
  Go on. The lovely Jim Sangster Monster
• 1:21:24
  Maker says. The first time in my fan life I
• 1:21:26
  felt that down. Oh, lucky you, Jim.
• 1:21:30
  I could say that. They should have played to the
• 1:21:33
  show's strengths, not focused on its weaknesses.
• 1:21:38
  Matt Dennis says. It's rough around the edges, but
• 1:21:41
  it's 80s Doctor Who at its most innovative and daring.
• 1:21:44
  If it were made today, it would be water cooler TV thanks to the
• 1:21:47
  ongoing mysteries, the excellent character character development,
• 1:21:51
  and some of the most shocking cliffhangers ever.
• 1:21:54
  Darren McKay. Says the season that properly
• 1:21:57
  made me a fan, so I'm decidedly biased.
• 1:22:00
  Presumably against it in all of the the joy of seeing the Doctor
• 1:22:05
  return, the utter shock of what happens to Perry, the concept
• 1:22:09
  and design of the Vervoids, the tiny whiminess of Mel's story,
• 1:22:13
  Joe the Valliard revelation, and the theme, she got a lift.
• 1:22:19
  From a gringo, that's all you need to know.
• 1:22:24
  Mark Harrison. Says the self absorbed clip show
• 1:22:27
  format doesn't quite write Doctor Who's death warrant, but
• 1:22:30
  necessitates a change going forward.
• 1:22:32
  Still, if the show is doing the case for the defense Mind Warp
• 1:22:36
  has learnt from Season 22 and Vervoids is a pitch reel for
• 1:22:39
  Season 24, it isn't a clip. Show.
• 1:22:41
  What is that comment all about? These are original stories we're
• 1:22:44
  watching. If it was a clip show it would
• 1:22:46
  be fucking Shades of Grey from Star Trek The Next Generation
• 1:22:49
  Series 2 necessitates. A change going forward implies
• 1:22:53
  so just like every season was going to be a trial.
• 1:22:58
  What would? Paradise.
• 1:22:59
  Towers be evidence the need to manage your guest cars.
• 1:23:05
  Rex Raoul A really strong season.
• 1:23:08
  I just wish the trial sequences had a little more bite.
• 1:23:13
  OK eh Tapalak an all time favorite, but it's definitely
• 1:23:18
  greater than the sum of its parts.
• 1:23:20
  Vervoids is probably my favorite segment, but Trial really does
• 1:23:23
  have to be taken as a whole. Philip R Clark.
• 1:23:28
  Make sure it doesn't get confused.
• 1:23:29
  With Arthur C the season that made me a fan.
• 1:23:32
  Joan Simms death shocked me as a child.
• 1:23:35
  It shocked me because she was great as Mrs. Wembley.
• 1:23:37
  It's really sad when she died. Mel is a breath of fresh air and
• 1:23:41
  works better when written by Pip and Jane than Holmes where she
• 1:23:45
  spouts cliches. The Valleyard revelation was
• 1:23:48
  amazing. Shame it's never been followed
• 1:23:50
  up. That's who she is a bit.
• 1:23:53
  Stupid, isn't she, when she's written by that trial was an
• 1:23:56
  illusion. Thanks, Mel.
• 1:24:00
  Awfully evil. Now we're getting the dirt.
• 1:24:03
  We haven't even got the. Pivot Shane yet?
• 1:24:05
  We've got the best to come, Charlie.
• 1:24:08
  Barnes says nothing short of a miracle that it hangs together.
• 1:24:12
  Collins on top form the Valley odds a great addition and the
• 1:24:15
  guest cast is superb. A good idea at the wrong time.
• 1:24:20
  And Lucy McCall. Says Michael.
• 1:24:22
  Jason had one of the best evil laughs ever, which I think
• 1:24:27
  Daniel has. Promised us he's going to give
• 1:24:28
  his own rendition of Lucy this is for you I'm.
• 1:24:37
  A bit turned on, it doesn't sound much, does it?
• 1:24:41
  Joe, thank you. Daniel, I tried.
• 1:24:45
  Joe, I think. I ought to hand over to you for
• 1:24:46
  your love for trial. You pick your story of the final
• 1:24:49
  two. I think I know which way you're
• 1:24:51
  going to go. Terror of the Verboids by Pip
• 1:24:55
  and Jane Baker. Yes.
• 1:24:58
  OK Well, as with every story this season, Colin Baker's
• 1:25:02
  Doctor reign supreme here. And I think this is probably the
• 1:25:05
  Doctor that Colin would have liked to have played all along.
• 1:25:09
  You know the jokes at his expense when he's on the
• 1:25:12
  exercise by pulling the flowers out of his cope with Janet and
• 1:25:15
  being all charming, authoritative when he needs to
• 1:25:18
  be investigating the mystery left, right and center.
• 1:25:21
  Actually having a relationship with one of his old friends from
• 1:25:24
  his past for once. It's a wonderful tone.
• 1:25:27
  Pip and Jane Baker always said, I think we talked about this
• 1:25:29
  before, Matt, about they plant the doctor right in the centre
• 1:25:34
  of the story. And Jane Baker, who is a
• 1:25:37
  formidable force, may I say, on the commentary, says, you know,
• 1:25:41
  I watched that story, that Dalek story of you and you and
• 1:25:45
  Nicholas spent on a whole episode walking around a wall.
• 1:25:48
  She goes, well, I was kept waiting for you to join the
• 1:25:50
  story. No, she goes, Colleen needs to
• 1:25:52
  be right in the middle. And that's exactly what they do.
• 1:25:56
  Yeah. Just everything that Colin does
• 1:25:57
  in his story is effectively the blueprint for what Big Finish
• 1:26:00
  take when they go forward, you know, And he's just charming and
• 1:26:05
  lovely and watchable and funny. And if we'd have started on this
• 1:26:08
  foot, maybe things would have been a lot different for this
• 1:26:11
  doctor. My favorite bit with Colin's
• 1:26:15
  doctor in this is how he goes into confront Dolan at the end
• 1:26:19
  of the story and makes it look like he's absolutely stupid and
• 1:26:24
  he's got the the common waiting outside.
• 1:26:26
  So it's it's like it's almost trout and esque in how he allows
• 1:26:30
  himself to look really silly. And actually he's fought through
• 1:26:33
  the whole situation. They do a great job with him.
• 1:26:35
  I love how he looks at the Vervoys from a very alien
• 1:26:37
  perspective as well and says, you know what the human beings
• 1:26:41
  do with plants. It's it's overdone because the
• 1:26:44
  whole story is overdone, but it is thoughtful and it is giving
• 1:26:47
  the doctor an unusual way of looking at things, which is
• 1:26:50
  really, really nice. And at the end of the story, you
• 1:26:52
  know when the Vervoys are all sort of.
• 1:26:55
  Promoting away into their joggers.
• 1:26:57
  He puts his arm around Mel. He's got a like right in his
• 1:27:00
  chest. You know, he's holding her
• 1:27:01
  clothes. Thank you.
• 1:27:03
  In a in a way that he probably should have done with Perry a
• 1:27:05
  bit more often. There's a a feeling that they're
• 1:27:08
  equals in this. Well, I think Mel might be in
• 1:27:10
  charge, actually. Everyone is.
• 1:27:13
  It's wonderful. It's a great sick doctor in
• 1:27:15
  this. And, you know, it's the last
• 1:27:16
  story he did. So how sad that this is.
• 1:27:19
  This is where we say goodbye to him.
• 1:27:21
  Of course, my second reason is some of the most Florida over
• 1:27:25
  the top and enjoyable dialogue you've ever heard in your life.
• 1:27:28
  Forgive me for the quotes in this episode, but there's so
• 1:27:30
  much great stuff. If I seem to lack gratitude,
• 1:27:33
  young woman, it's because on the previous occasions the doctor's
• 1:27:36
  path crossed mine, I found myself involved in a web of
• 1:27:39
  mayhem and intrigue. Oh no, listen to this one, my
• 1:27:43
  dear Melanie. If you wish to pursue this
• 1:27:44
  completely arbitrary course, pray.
• 1:27:46
  Hurry along to the hydroponic center and leave me to my static
• 1:27:50
  and solitary peregrinations. You want to talk about a
• 1:27:54
  mouthful Jesus Christ? We all like a.
• 1:27:57
  Mouthful show, even though I haven't had that many in my.
• 1:27:59
  Mouth Jesus, of course the classics.
• 1:28:02
  The crimes we're committing in the name of science will make us
• 1:28:05
  infamous. Are we to be subjected to more
• 1:28:08
  chicanery, sagacity? Like these are not words that
• 1:28:11
  belong together in a sentence. And somehow JNT assembles a
• 1:28:16
  stellar cast of actors that can turn this this verbal tripe into
• 1:28:22
  Shakespeare. And it's just wonderful.
• 1:28:24
  Watching on a black man show sort of choke out these lines is
• 1:28:28
  just a joy. I love everything about this
• 1:28:30
  story. I love the murder mystery.
• 1:28:32
  I love the fact that that the plot elements Parlon and on and
• 1:28:36
  on and on and on. And then in episode 4, people
• 1:28:39
  that say it doesn't make sense, go watch that episode again.
• 1:28:42
  Every single thing is ticked off and it all makes perfect sense.
• 1:28:46
  But come Episode 3, you know, we've got a mountain that we're
• 1:28:49
  holding up that we need to try and sort out.
• 1:28:51
  But they do it brilliantly. I love the compost tape, I love
• 1:28:56
  Mel going to the pulveriser, I love Ruth Baxter screaming.
• 1:28:59
  I love the Eye of the Black Hole of Tartarus.
• 1:29:02
  I love Janet being the main suspect, and I'm still convinced
• 1:29:06
  that bitch did it. You know, the second her and the
• 1:29:08
  Commodore walked off, she shoved an axe right in his back.
• 1:29:11
  I was like I got away with him. I love Honour Blackman slumming
• 1:29:15
  it in her tracksuit. I love that little biscuit
• 1:29:17
  that's half covered in chocolate.
• 1:29:19
  I love the Megarians being killed by acid in their faces or
• 1:29:22
  Rudge being a squalid criminal. I love the thorns in the hands.
• 1:29:26
  I love Cabin 6 and Cabin 9. I love Bonnie's exercises in the
• 1:29:30
  TARDIS. I love the electric fence.
• 1:29:32
  I love the POV shots. I love the brilliant
• 1:29:35
  cliffhangers. I fucking love Terror of the
• 1:29:37
  Vervoids. Please, can we put this through?
• 1:29:39
  Will you stop sitting on the? Fence Joe, do you like it or
• 1:29:42
  not? For Christ, it is one of.
• 1:29:45
  The most outright entertaining stories of the 1980s.
• 1:29:48
  After all of that serious, boring machismo we had from
• 1:29:52
  Saywood, You know, like finally he's fucking pissed off and
• 1:29:56
  we're getting Doctor Who. That's quite fun.
• 1:29:58
  Let's keep it. It's great fun this.
• 1:30:01
  Let's go to the comments. Luke Sims, Jenkins says from
• 1:30:03
  worst companion exit to worst companion intro voice has a lame
• 1:30:08
  looking spaceship interior and vagina plants, a captain who
• 1:30:12
  plays it way too straight, and a bonkers plot.
• 1:30:15
  Fuck, it's fun. Keep it.
• 1:30:16
  I think there's going to be a lot of this.
• 1:30:18
  David Gillespie Pratt This is how the 6th Doctor should have
• 1:30:21
  been. Brash, loud, but funny and
• 1:30:23
  charming. Bonnie makes a great debut and
• 1:30:26
  great to have a companion who enjoys being with the Doctor.
• 1:30:29
  It's also got the legendary on a black man, so it's the best of
• 1:30:32
  the year. Jack Hoyer says a.
• 1:30:33
  Decent murder mystery with a proactive, inquisitive Dr.
• 1:30:36
  Whatever one may say about Pip and Jane, they know how to frame
• 1:30:39
  the doctor as a child's hero. Here he takes on the detective
• 1:30:42
  role Tom Baker mastered, accompanied by Bonnie Langford,
• 1:30:45
  who, a few screams aside, is excellent.
• 1:30:48
  But, and this is in your future doctor, use something else all
• 1:30:52
  done that says I. Love it, it's in my top ten.
• 1:30:55
  I love a murder mystery and Colin is at his peak here.
• 1:30:58
  Bonnie is effervescent, a go getter and wants to be there.
• 1:31:02
  Great monsters in the verb always, even if they look
• 1:31:04
  dubious. Great guest cast.
• 1:31:06
  Pip and James best effort. Oh yes, same time with the
• 1:31:10
  Ronnie comes along, of course, James Larks says.
• 1:31:12
  It's a bit hokey, like Doctor Who would be if it was written
• 1:31:16
  as a stage play by Francis Durbridge in 1948, or if the
• 1:31:20
  sense writes have been taken as a blueprint for the series.
• 1:31:24
  But yeah, Colin's having fun and it moves along at a lick.
• 1:31:27
  Perfectly enjoyable. Jason Thompson, A.
• 1:31:30
  Decent score story, but rather Hanford by the trial.
• 1:31:33
  Nobody in the court finds it odd that the Doctor apparently shows
• 1:31:36
  himself smashing the comms room in his own defence.
• 1:31:38
  I think that one might have been inserted by the Valley art.
• 1:31:41
  Also, his defence of a direct request from the Commodore comes
• 1:31:45
  after three episodes of the Commodore exploiting his
• 1:31:48
  tendency to get involved, the very thing he's supposed to be
• 1:31:51
  defending himself against. I can absolutely hear Jason
• 1:31:54
  Thompson saying everyone. Bless you Jason, Dan
• 1:31:57
  Hollingsworth said veteran's try less Blu-ray form.
• 1:32:01
  Mal annoyed me at the time, but adult me appreciated that we
• 1:32:04
  finally have a companion who wants to be there.
• 1:32:06
  Those Vervoy designs are iconic, but probably not in the way they
• 1:32:10
  intended. Paul Cresser, my.
• 1:32:12
  Favorite segment? The only story that can and does
• 1:32:14
  stand on its own mirrors a nice piece of traditional Doctor Who.
• 1:32:18
  The Vervoids may look a bit suspect to adult me, but I
• 1:32:21
  remember friends who didn't particularly like Doctor Who
• 1:32:24
  loving them at the time. Big orange Michael.
• 1:32:27
  Says the Baker's return with a story that feels like it wants
• 1:32:29
  to be robots of death with plants or Agatha Christie on a
• 1:32:32
  starliner. I'll admit, my young self found
• 1:32:35
  Janik kind of attractive. Oh, hello.
• 1:32:39
  I'm not sure. What this says?
• 1:32:40
  About me? Well, at least you weren't
• 1:32:41
  finding the Vervoids attractive. That would have been probably
• 1:32:44
  slightly more worrying. Keep it.
• 1:32:46
  I think Dylar Reece would have a.
• 1:32:47
  Go at a vervoid you. Know he probably would.
• 1:32:50
  Andy Parkinson. A whodunnit with phallic plants,
• 1:32:53
  a star tone from Olive Blackman and lots of the twists and
• 1:32:56
  turns. Hugely enjoyable and probably
• 1:32:58
  the best of the season. Keep it.
• 1:33:00
  Oh my God, I love the love Donald also shows.
• 1:33:03
  That the Bakers were the writers of the era that got the tone of
• 1:33:05
  the show better than anyone, even if they often veer to CBBC
• 1:33:09
  in constructing their mystery. Michael Storm, Pip.
• 1:33:12
  And Jane returns sanity to proceedings.
• 1:33:14
  Who would have thought a a good story, well told with an
• 1:33:18
  engaging Dr. And like why do? You give me.
• 1:33:22
  These tongue twisters. A good story told well with the
• 1:33:26
  Doctor. Engaging and likeable.
• 1:33:28
  Actually, that's a tongue twister.
• 1:33:29
  Simple. Sentence.
• 1:33:30
  The mystery is complex enough. To entertain the kids, but not
• 1:33:33
  too complex for jaded adults. And we have Kathy Gale.
• 1:33:36
  Dave Rennie says so. Much fun fun fun.
• 1:33:39
  I'm at it now. Fun.
• 1:33:41
  What's fun? So much fun, plucky mail,
• 1:33:44
  charming Dr. and Lasky being Moody in her tracksuit.
• 1:33:47
  Lots of memorable, quotable dialogue.
• 1:33:49
  This one makes me smile. Definitely keep John Bensalia.
• 1:33:53
  Superficially enjoyable but strangely anemic.
• 1:33:56
  John if he looking monsters a swallowed a dictionary script.
• 1:33:59
  That's what's great about it. Half assed direction no means
• 1:34:03
  the potentials wasted. No, it isn't that we are doing
• 1:34:06
  it splendidly. Line makes the verve voice sound
• 1:34:09
  like WWI World War One. Old biddy's selling.
• 1:34:13
  Scones and a fate. Ian Banks has a decent.
• 1:34:18
  Story with an OK script, but it's let down by the setting
• 1:34:21
  which is the most deserted and dimly lit cruise liner in the
• 1:34:24
  universe. Bonnie gives a great performance
• 1:34:26
  and shows a streak of independence as well as
• 1:34:28
  friendship with the Doctor. Has he forgotten that cruise?
• 1:34:31
  Liner and Nightmare of Eden. Comparison.
• 1:34:34
  This is high luxury. Paul Smy finally says.
• 1:34:38
  Probably my favorite of the season, which a lot of people
• 1:34:40
  have said. The cliffhangers past 9 and 10
• 1:34:43
  are two of the best ever Gruesome's deaths.
• 1:34:45
  Excellent guest cast and an excellent debut for Bonnie.
• 1:34:48
  The recent new special edition is also a must watch.
• 1:34:52
  Fantastic. OK, Terror of the Vervoids.
• 1:34:56
  It's not my favorite of the season because I think I've
• 1:34:58
  clearly established that's mind war, but I don't know how people
• 1:35:01
  dislike this. I think this is great rollicking
• 1:35:05
  fun. I agree with you, Joe Everything
• 1:35:07
  adds up, everything makes sense. I actually like Pip and Jane's
• 1:35:11
  dialogue. I think it's got a rhythm and a
• 1:35:13
  tone to it, and because it's consistent, everyone's spouting
• 1:35:16
  that same dialogue. It kind of feels on track.
• 1:35:19
  It's not just one character being overly verbose, the whole
• 1:35:23
  thing just fits together. I'm going to pick as my three
• 1:35:25
  reasons over the 3 cliffhangers is the thing.
• 1:35:27
  They all do slightly different things.
• 1:35:28
  They show different aspects of story.
• 1:35:30
  So the first one, as if anybody needs reminding, is where Mel
• 1:35:34
  into the hydroponic sensor, Edwards opens the gate, gets
• 1:35:38
  electrocuted for for his for helping her and sets off a
• 1:35:41
  wonderful chain reaction of sparks and flames.
• 1:35:44
  Bonnie is screaming in the key of F.
• 1:35:47
  So it goes into the end titles. And you know what?
• 1:35:49
  Loads of people over the years use that as a real cheap way of
• 1:35:53
  criticizing Bonnie saying, oh, she brings his screaming and
• 1:35:56
  she's very 1960s. I think that's absolute
• 1:35:59
  bollocks. And I haven't watched the
• 1:36:00
  previous 25 minutes because, yeah, Bonnie hasn't had a proper
• 1:36:04
  introduction. She hasn't got any sort of back
• 1:36:05
  story. Excuse me 40. 34445 Not really a
• 1:36:10
  back story though is that? No, but I mean, we don't know
• 1:36:13
  her back. We don't know her history.
• 1:36:15
  She's just suddenly there. But I think she does enough in
• 1:36:18
  that 25 minutes to warrant and to earn getting the cliffhanger
• 1:36:22
  because she does so much. You know, she's so enthusiastic.
• 1:36:26
  She's so she's got energy, she's got life positivity, she's got a
• 1:36:31
  wonderful natural charm and energy and charisma with Colin,
• 1:36:34
  which is absolutely important. So yeah, I think she absolutely
• 1:36:37
  earns it. And it's only cliffhanger this
• 1:36:39
  whole season. That's not a close up of Colin's
• 1:36:41
  nose and it goes to Bonnie, who's just started.
• 1:36:44
  So good on that. But you know what, people hated
• 1:36:47
  this at the time. A certain Mr. Chipnall went on
• 1:36:50
  open air at the time to criticize Pip and Jane for this
• 1:36:52
  particular story. So maybe that's where my
• 1:36:54
  particular is towards Mr. Jane are looking down on.
• 1:36:57
  Him now and they've had the last laugh, haven't they?
• 1:37:00
  Just Mr. Levine, whose name should not be mentioned, was
• 1:37:03
  absolutely incandescent. He was up in arms.
• 1:37:06
  DWB were launching attacks, really personal attacks against
• 1:37:10
  Bonnie and Giant say. I watched Episode 9 live at
• 1:37:13
  Liverpool Convention, where the consensus was, yeah, the episode
• 1:37:17
  was pretty good, but Bonnie was absolutely terrible.
• 1:37:20
  That was just the prejudice and the baggage that she brought to
• 1:37:22
  the show. But I think she's wonderful.
• 1:37:25
  I don't know why people don't like her.
• 1:37:27
  I think it's a classic cliffhanger.
• 1:37:29
  And I think she absolutely earns her place as a companion.
• 1:37:32
  I mean people that were worried she.
• 1:37:33
  Was going to be a bit too perky, you know that when she first
• 1:37:36
  comes out as hard and goes, come on, Doctor, come on, hurry.
• 1:37:39
  You know, it's like I can see why people are going.
• 1:37:41
  Oh, dear. But no, Yeah, she's she dives
• 1:37:44
  into this mystery. Our 10 cliffhanger.
• 1:37:48
  Doctor Mel break into the isolation, isolation room even,
• 1:37:53
  and discover the mutated Ruth Baxter.
• 1:37:56
  First of all, I love the way before we get to that, Colin and
• 1:37:59
  Bonnie stand outside in the corridor and talk about how
• 1:38:01
  they're going to get in. And then just completely
• 1:38:03
  spontaneously, without warning, Colin just grabs that axe and
• 1:38:06
  breaks the fire alarm and sends everyone.
• 1:38:09
  There's just something about it that's just so off the cuff.
• 1:38:11
  It almost feels like he's it's an adlet.
• 1:38:14
  It's such a doctorish moment and it's silly, but it really makes
• 1:38:17
  me smile. And of course that whole kind of
• 1:38:19
  roof sub roof subplot doesn't really go anywhere at all.
• 1:38:23
  We don't see her again after this until she gets murdered in
• 1:38:25
  episode 12. But you know, it's a wonderfully
• 1:38:28
  Barber image with all the veins pulsing over her face gives us a
• 1:38:31
  great Cliff anger. And again, you know what?
• 1:38:33
  It shows Colin again at his best different side of him.
• 1:38:36
  Because whilst Bonnie is screaming away of the pulsating
• 1:38:39
  veins, Colin sits down really calmly and he makes complete eye
• 1:38:44
  contact with Ruth Baxter and he takes a hand and he shows caring
• 1:38:48
  and compassion and it's just a throwaway moment.
• 1:38:50
  He doesn't get a line there because he gets bundled out
• 1:38:52
  before anything. But Colin is just giving it his
• 1:38:55
  all and really thinking how his doctor will behave.
• 1:38:58
  So again, shows us far more time than just the bluster.
• 1:39:02
  And finally, part 11 cliffhanger.
• 1:39:05
  This again doesn't end where it should do.
• 1:39:07
  It should be on the close up of Bruckner, his face illuminated
• 1:39:10
  by the wonderful red glow of the black hole.
• 1:39:13
  Joe, has your face ever been illuminated by a red glow of a
• 1:39:15
  black hole? No, but I have declared.
• 1:39:18
  That I'm about to enter the eye of the black hole of Tartarus
• 1:39:20
  I'm sure you have on. More than one occasion.
• 1:39:24
  But you know what we don't get that.
• 1:39:25
  We get a very anticlimactic close up on Colin instead,
• 1:39:29
  which, yeah, look, it's one of the flaws of the season.
• 1:39:31
  They are trying to sell Colin as the Doctor and it's one of the
• 1:39:35
  times they they overdo it. But what I absolutely will
• 1:39:37
  defend is that black hole subplot because you could think,
• 1:39:41
  oh, it's a bit like the Ruth Baxter thing.
• 1:39:42
  It doesn't really go anywhere. It's just there to create a bit
• 1:39:45
  of extra jeopardy. But you know what?
• 1:39:48
  The fact that they've introduced that black hole subplot means
• 1:39:51
  that allows them to put everyone in place in the right place for
• 1:39:54
  Part 4. Because it's Bruckner's actions
• 1:39:57
  in trying to, you know, send the ship into the black hole that
• 1:40:00
  make the Verve voice come out of hiding.
• 1:40:02
  It spurs them to take direct action.
• 1:40:04
  It forces the Megarian and Rudge Plot out into the open.
• 1:40:08
  It separates the Megarians. So it's really cleverly plotted
• 1:40:11
  that they put all these bits and places they know how to plot.
• 1:40:15
  Something they really do because they.
• 1:40:17
  Say you can look at it and just say OK, it doesn't go anywhere
• 1:40:19
  because it's quickly solved. But no, they've manoeuvred
• 1:40:23
  everyone so that we're coming up to the finale and everyone is in
• 1:40:26
  the right place. So I think they don't get the
• 1:40:28
  credit for the clever plotting that they do.
• 1:40:30
  So also as well, Rod, I think they.
• 1:40:32
  We definitely talked about this now when we did time in Irani.
• 1:40:35
  They remember the kids. So yeah, I've, I've seen adults
• 1:40:38
  recently appraised terror the verve and go, well, you can
• 1:40:40
  clearly see he's zeroing in on the eye of the black hole of
• 1:40:44
  Tartarus. And then they mentioned it three
• 1:40:46
  times before the cliffhanger. But there's like 4 year olds
• 1:40:49
  watching, you know, that might not get it.
• 1:40:51
  Or the bit earlier where the, the guy didn't switch on his
• 1:40:53
  translator. We go back and we do it again
• 1:40:56
  and the, the, you know, the kids that saw it would be like, oh,
• 1:40:58
  wow, I saw that because it didn't go in.
• 1:41:00
  Oh, OK, That's what's going on. Like there are younger people
• 1:41:03
  than the Dwas watching this show at the time, you know?
• 1:41:07
  And it's worth remembering those kids.
• 1:41:09
  I'm not sure whether kids. Would have understood simply a
• 1:41:11
  bromide because I've still no idea what the hell that means
• 1:41:14
  grabbing their dictionaries. To find out they're grabbing
• 1:41:17
  their world. Sorry.
• 1:41:18
  Oh, dictionaries. So yeah, I love the three kind
• 1:41:21
  of hangers. I love the whole story.
• 1:41:22
  I think it's great, great rollicking fun.
• 1:41:25
  It's a return to quite traditional but good, solid
• 1:41:29
  Doctor Who. Now I want to hear our two
• 1:41:31
  guests. Tear it to pieces.
• 1:41:33
  Let's go to. Daniel.
• 1:41:35
  First, OK, so we mentioned, yeah, a lot of people
• 1:41:40
  complaining that that Oh well, we don't see the the Doctor and
• 1:41:45
  Mel meet and we're kind of dropped in the middle of the
• 1:41:47
  story and that's what I like about it.
• 1:41:49
  It's the, the, the fact that it, it gives you that feel of you're
• 1:41:53
  turning on the TV and, oh, look, Doctor Who's on and there's the
• 1:41:57
  6th Doctor and he's got a new companion.
• 1:41:59
  And we've just met her and she's fun.
• 1:42:01
  She's perky, she's full of energy.
• 1:42:04
  She she's resourceful too. I mean, Mel gets a lot to do in
• 1:42:07
  this story. And and you know, as you said,
• 1:42:10
  Rob, the, all the, the people just saying, oh, she screams.
• 1:42:13
  And that's the the scream that leads into the cliffhanger.
• 1:42:16
  And that's, it is, of course, you know, not true.
• 1:42:19
  I mean, she gets so much to do. And I love that.
• 1:42:22
  Yeah, as, as I think Joe said at the end, they're so that he, her
• 1:42:25
  and Colin are so sort of tender together.
• 1:42:27
  Where, you know, the the the danger's over and he sort of
• 1:42:32
  yeah, he hugs her, you know, which is a yeah, it's the the
• 1:42:36
  kind of relationship as we said that that he probably should
• 1:42:39
  have had more with with Perry, but Mel was a great sort of
• 1:42:42
  corrective to that. I think so So yeah, Mel was my
• 1:42:47
  first one is is I think she's Bonnie Langford is just just
• 1:42:50
  great. And it's a shame actually that
• 1:42:52
  in although she does get stuff to do in the ultimate foe.
• 1:42:56
  I think, you know, she should have had a few more stories with
• 1:42:59
  with Colin really finished they've.
• 1:43:02
  Done one or two. So, yeah, so I don't mind that
• 1:43:07
  we that we don't know much about her that she comes in fully
• 1:43:10
  formed. It's kind of quite refreshing to
• 1:43:13
  be dropped into the middle of, of something and you have to
• 1:43:16
  kind of play catch up for the 1st 5 minutes.
• 1:43:18
  And then you're into this murder mystery plot, which I, as you,
• 1:43:22
  as you guys have said, you know, it's just really well plotted.
• 1:43:26
  It's like a Venus flytrap where it kind of expands outwards.
• 1:43:30
  You've got all these story threads going in different
• 1:43:32
  directions, all these characters going in different directions.
• 1:43:35
  And you're kind of like, oh, am I going to be able to keep track
• 1:43:37
  of all these people? And then it kind of and then it
• 1:43:39
  closes in on itself at the end in the in the final two parts,
• 1:43:43
  you know, then my second thing is of course, the Pip and
• 1:43:48
  Jainisms. I'm just going to I just I just
• 1:43:51
  got some here. My favorite one is you have the
• 1:43:55
  temperament of an over cautious rabbit.
• 1:43:57
  Thank. You.
• 1:44:01
  And. Another one is when, Oh my
• 1:44:04
  favorite. My that's the favorite bit of my
• 1:44:06
  the whole murder mystery thing, because we see on a Blackman
• 1:44:09
  reading Murder on the Orange Express and then we have, isn't
• 1:44:14
  it? Yeah, very subtle, yeah.
• 1:44:16
  I was expecting the the twist to be oh they all did it, but
• 1:44:19
  thankfully they don't go that direction.
• 1:44:21
  At some point I did. Think they all did it like that
• 1:44:25
  was in the air? Well, yes.
• 1:44:27
  And we, we. Mentioned, you know, Janet being
• 1:44:29
  quite suspicious and well, you definitely have, yes, yeah.
• 1:44:32
  Yeah, and people. You know, people kind of give
• 1:44:34
  her funny looks and you kind of you kind of wondering are they,
• 1:44:37
  are they, are they suspicious or are they just checking her out?
• 1:44:40
  You know, someone does mention her though.
• 1:44:41
  Don't. They I can't.
• 1:44:42
  I was male. Does That's right.
• 1:44:44
  She's like, she's prettier than me.
• 1:44:46
  It's Janet, all right. She's the one who did it.
• 1:44:50
  But yes, that. Lovely old man, which is I think
• 1:44:52
  Mr. Kimber, Kim Kinder is his name.
• 1:44:55
  And he's he has that scene with Janet where he's an obvious
• 1:44:58
  goner because he says, oh, at my age someone doesn't like to be
• 1:45:02
  reminded of mortality. And then he gets killed by the
• 1:45:05
  verbal. Can you actually do you know
• 1:45:07
  what? The funniest thing about that
• 1:45:09
  line is that then Koh Shamas was introduced in The Timeless
• 1:45:12
  Children. Chipnol, the worst detractor of
• 1:45:14
  this story. I'm an old man.
• 1:45:16
  I've nearly finished my life. What happens at the end?
• 1:45:19
  Of course he sacrifices his inspiration.
• 1:45:21
  Is Tara the Vervoy? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:24
  Yeah, so, and my final bit would, yeah, just be the the,
• 1:45:30
  yeah. The fact that it's just a well
• 1:45:32
  told, well acted Doctor Who story that kind of gives you all
• 1:45:36
  the the, the satisfactions of a traditional Doctor Who tale.
• 1:45:41
  But also, you know, there's some nice little shadings in there
• 1:45:44
  too. I, I like the fact that the
• 1:45:47
  Vervoids are not bad per SE, you know, and the, however dangerous
• 1:45:53
  the, the threat they pose, you do kind of feel sad for them at
• 1:45:57
  the end when they all die. And as you know, as, as the, as
• 1:46:02
  the trial says, Oh, well, you, you know, you committed
• 1:46:04
  genocide. But, but yeah.
• 1:46:06
  And I, I do, I do wonder if they ever turn up again because
• 1:46:10
  they're, they're a great sort of, you know, very classic
• 1:46:13
  Doctor Who monster, you know, the mask and the, you know, and,
• 1:46:19
  and also the, the, the, my final bit is, is, Oh yes, there's that
• 1:46:26
  great bit with the Megorians where they're, the camera comes
• 1:46:30
  into them and they're like, what are you doing here?
• 1:46:32
  We didn't request any refreshment and get water
• 1:46:35
  chucked over. So yes, terrible.
• 1:46:41
  Voice. It's good.
• 1:46:42
  It's well, it's well told. The dialogue is just sings and
• 1:46:46
  the Doctor and companion pairing just clicks.
• 1:46:49
  Just great. So can I take exception to one?
• 1:46:52
  Thing you said Daniel, you said it's well acted.
• 1:46:55
  This has got trials worst bit of acting.
• 1:46:58
  Thank God he only gets one line. Tony Scroggo's name from
• 1:47:01
  Brookside who plays pallets when he comes down and he's found.
• 1:47:05
  You are obviously mistaken. I mean it's just the he's got
• 1:47:09
  one fucking line and he can't deliver it.
• 1:47:13
  He's terrible. He's also got the stagiest line
• 1:47:16
  delivery of. All time as well, coming from
• 1:47:18
  Saint Honour Blackman herself, where the scene starts and she
• 1:47:21
  goes, oh, that puts an entirely difficult on things, doesn't it?
• 1:47:25
  Like we've missed a whole conversation.
• 1:47:27
  It's just gone. But I love her.
• 1:47:28
  Sorry Matt. To you.
• 1:47:30
  Yeah, Matt. Yeah, sorry, Matt, go for it.
• 1:47:33
  I think On a Black Man is astonishing in it, I think.
• 1:47:42
  That the law. Track suit, she wears the static
• 1:47:46
  build up on that, especially after she's been going for 30
• 1:47:49
  minutes on the exercise bike with those thighs rubbing
• 1:47:51
  together. I reckon she just leant against
• 1:47:54
  that fence in the cargo hold and that's what electrocuted.
• 1:47:58
  Edwards felt pretty. Sweaty after that.
• 1:48:04
  But but, but the fact that she sort of wanders her, I'm wearing
• 1:48:07
  that little sort of cloaky figure is perfect.
• 1:48:11
  I love on a black man anyway. But I think I think she is such
• 1:48:15
  a great addition to it. And she's exactly, she's exactly
• 1:48:18
  the kind of actor you'd expect in a kind of Agatha Christie
• 1:48:23
  pastie. She could imagine like she was
• 1:48:24
  around today, she'd be turning up in Midsummer Murders and
• 1:48:27
  things like that, wouldn't she? It's spot on casting I think
• 1:48:35
  the. The dialogue.
• 1:48:37
  Just amazing. Are we to be subjected to a
• 1:48:40
  dissertation on interplanetary politics?
• 1:48:43
  Yes, we are just. Drop the sophistry.
• 1:48:48
  Exactly. Just.
• 1:48:49
  This is no time to debate ethics.
• 1:48:52
  The man's demented. It can't help but make.
• 1:48:57
  You smile, right? Like just.
• 1:48:59
  Smile on. Every line that's coming out, do
• 1:49:02
  you know what when you guys? Just read out, you suddenly
• 1:49:05
  realize how 1920s it all sounds. It kind of works at the time,
• 1:49:09
  but it does sound. You could imagine it's black
• 1:49:11
  orchid almost. Have any of you seen that?
• 1:49:13
  Clip on YouTube of Malcolm was his place who plays Commodore
• 1:49:17
  Travers and they make him say the line age 90.
• 1:49:20
  What is it seasons? I'll see again if I start
• 1:49:24
  robbing my own vaults. He's pissing.
• 1:49:27
  Himself in the garden. Try to get this out.
• 1:49:30
  Oh, it's glorious. Michael.
• 1:49:32
  Michael Craig, thank you. I think.
• 1:49:35
  This I I love Nightmare of Eden. There's something very nightmare
• 1:49:39
  of Eden about it, the sort of starliner and then the monsters
• 1:49:42
  that escape and start sort of slaughtering people.
• 1:49:45
  And that's almost like a byproduct of the of the mystery
• 1:49:49
  plot, not the main point. I think Bonnie's great.
• 1:49:53
  As everyone said, there's a great scene where the Doctor
• 1:49:57
  can't get a word in edgeways between her and Lasky, and you
• 1:50:01
  kind of think it's that they're starting to.
• 1:50:04
  That's exactly what Colin's Doctor needs at this point, as a
• 1:50:07
  companion that isn't running around after him sort of
• 1:50:11
  complaining about everything and and being in his shadow.
• 1:50:15
  But someone who's smart, willing to take the lead, and sometimes
• 1:50:19
  it's him that's a little bit sort of browbeaten by by Mel
• 1:50:24
  Matt when when Gary Russell. Conceptualized even in SMY.
• 1:50:27
  Do you remember in the Mario conspiracy, the very first scene
• 1:50:30
  he's trying to talk and she's like, I certainly do my Ellie
• 1:50:33
  Carg. I swear it's that scene he's
• 1:50:36
  drawn. This is absolutely not.
• 1:50:37
  You're right. You're absolutely right.
• 1:50:40
  I'm going to. I will be a slight voice of
• 1:50:44
  dissent. I think there are two things
• 1:50:47
  that don't quite work about it for me.
• 1:50:49
  The 1st is the thing that everyone praises it for and and
• 1:50:53
  the season 23 box set Blu-ray thing is is great, but the fact
• 1:50:58
  that the trial scenes are utterly irrelevant to this I.
• 1:51:03
  I get I. Get that you can watch and enjoy
• 1:51:06
  it without those trial scenes, but it is meant to be part of
• 1:51:09
  the trial of a Time Lord and it's kind of like.
• 1:51:13
  Is this the best evidence? The doctor could pick around
• 1:51:16
  his, like, future innocence. I love the story, but as part of
• 1:51:20
  trial, you, you, you got to raise your eyebrows slightly.
• 1:51:23
  And the other bit, I don't think it quite works as an Agatha
• 1:51:27
  Christie pastiche because, like, if it was doing it properly,
• 1:51:31
  you'd have the big day anymore at the end where they bring all
• 1:51:34
  of the suspects together and the Doctor does the big.
• 1:51:37
  Of course it was you, Janet. And she's like, and then she's
• 1:51:40
  the evil voice and she'll be like, yeah, I've got away with
• 1:51:43
  it too, you bastard or whatever. But but the fact that instead
• 1:51:49
  becomes a bit of a ver void monster story, I think does for
• 1:51:52
  me. It sort of detracts a little bit
• 1:51:55
  from that Agatha Christie pastiche that I was going so
• 1:52:00
  well for the first bit of the story.
• 1:52:02
  And I always think, oh, I wish, I wish Colin had got that big.
• 1:52:06
  It's the only way. You got all of the suspects.
• 1:52:08
  Together in this big Poirot moment and I feel like that's a
• 1:52:11
  little bit of a miss for me. But that said, I do still
• 1:52:14
  really, really enjoy. I really enjoy it.
• 1:52:18
  Fabulous So. So far 3 for three.
• 1:52:21
  I want to see that scene so. Badly.
• 1:52:23
  Where Janet is revealed to be, you know, that harmless old man.
• 1:52:27
  He's stack of piss. That's why I slept the poison in
• 1:52:31
  his drink. He always made me.
• 1:52:33
  Bring in his. Drink when he was in the shower,
• 1:52:36
  The Dirty old bastard I was, so I'm clearing.
• 1:52:39
  Up his nappies. OK, let's stop being ages now.
• 1:52:41
  And move on to the ultimate fuck.
• 1:52:44
  Do you know? What I thought before we
• 1:52:45
  started, I thought, if this goes the way I think it's going to
• 1:52:48
  go, I'm going to bloody end up with the ultimate Foe, aren't I?
• 1:52:51
  And guess what? I've ended up with the ultimate
• 1:52:55
  foe. Enjoy.
• 1:52:55
  Thank. You.
• 1:52:57
  It's it's a mixed bag, isn't it? And even my reasons for or
• 1:53:02
  against are going to be mixed, so I'll let you decide where
• 1:53:06
  it's going to fall. My first reason for good or bad,
• 1:53:10
  and it's very much for bad, is Part 13.
• 1:53:14
  And look, can we? Joe's already pulling faces so
• 1:53:17
  he's not going to agree with me. We need to be honest about this,
• 1:53:20
  Joe. Part 13 is possibly the most
• 1:53:23
  ramshackle, inept, laughable, ridiculous, make it up as you go
• 1:53:28
  along episode of Doctor Who ever committed to videotape.
• 1:53:31
  It's worse than the slow Dalek in the Chase.
• 1:53:34
  It's worse than the Zabi crashing into the cameras from
• 1:53:38
  or from 50? 5 rod.
• 1:53:40
  Oh God no. Christ, no, you should have
• 1:53:44
  thought like with a reveal like who the valley artist.
• 1:53:47
  This couldn't possibly go wrong. But boy does this go wrong.
• 1:53:50
  So let's start with dialogue and Oh dear, we're back to name
• 1:53:54
  calling. We're back to the stackyard and
• 1:53:56
  what stackyard is rail yards like my heart sank.
• 1:54:01
  Why are we doing this again? We dropped that in part for no,
• 1:54:04
  it's back. That's it Rod.
• 1:54:06
  Now we're. Getting it the dirt I'm about to
• 1:54:08
  come exactly to. Thank you.
• 1:54:12
  Then there's Bonnie. I love Bonnie, but she's got
• 1:54:15
  some terrible dialogue and you just served up one of the worst
• 1:54:18
  lines, which is followed by despicable.
• 1:54:21
  I'm as truthful. Honest and about as boring as
• 1:54:25
  they. Well, I'm glad you said it.
• 1:54:28
  It's. Just the dialogue.
• 1:54:29
  He's just cringe, and she's accompanied by Tony Selby, who
• 1:54:32
  at this point has given up any remote pretense at subtlety.
• 1:54:37
  He's walking around the courtroom trying to flog off
• 1:54:40
  bits of the set. He's already in that version of
• 1:54:43
  already fallen horses if he's supposed to be a.
• 1:54:45
  Crook. He's not exactly subtle about
• 1:54:47
  it, has he? Then we've got hang on, we've
• 1:54:49
  got Melanie, otherwise known as Mel.
• 1:54:52
  We've got Anthony only who says he's known as the Master.
• 1:54:55
  We've got the Valiard who the Master says he's the Doctor and
• 1:54:58
  that's how he's always known him.
• 1:54:59
  Ravalox was known as Earth. I was half expecting Linda
• 1:55:03
  Bellingham to say she's known as the Oxo Lady.
• 1:55:06
  I mean, just, it's bonkers, isn't it?
• 1:55:08
  You've got some terrible clunky info dumps which nearly kill the
• 1:55:12
  Revelation. And talking of Revelations, this
• 1:55:15
  is where we get the revelation the Perry is still alive, and
• 1:55:20
  it's thrown in so casually it completely undermines mind walk.
• 1:55:25
  But it's all right. We're off to the Matrix.
• 1:55:27
  Everything's going to be saved. Now, Joe, you remember when we
• 1:55:29
  did Deadly Assassin? I was absolutely extolling the
• 1:55:32
  virtues of The Matrix and those 22 horror nightmare sequences.
• 1:55:37
  Yeah, very do. It wasn't.
• 1:55:38
  It absolutely amazing. What do we get here?
• 1:55:41
  5 minutes of Eddie Yates from Coronation Street talking about
• 1:55:44
  bureaucracy like he's in a poor man's version of a Dickens
• 1:55:47
  adaptation. It's not funny.
• 1:55:50
  It kills the pace, kills any momentum, and is horrific.
• 1:55:54
  So par 13 for me is absolutely gone.
• 1:55:56
  It should have been. They should got that Mel out
• 1:55:58
  that trash can back to in Vervoids and put par 13 in but
• 1:56:03
  but my. Second reason.
• 1:56:06
  And I've called my second reason.
• 1:56:08
  Thank fuck Pep and Jane for two-part of us.
• 1:56:13
  Actually. Filmed as one, the difference
• 1:56:15
  between Part 13 and Part 14? They're worlds apart.
• 1:56:19
  It's tangible. As soon as you hit par 14, it
• 1:56:22
  just feels like everyone suddenly UPS their game.
• 1:56:25
  It feels like a new production. You start with that brilliant
• 1:56:27
  sequence of the Valley Yard winking in and out of existence.
• 1:56:30
  He's suddenly showing his hand, He's establishing himself as a
• 1:56:34
  threat. The music is pumping, the
• 1:56:35
  visuals are in interesting, the comedy works.
• 1:56:38
  At last, when he leans over, the glitz goes my probe and it's
• 1:56:42
  suddenly, it's genuinely funny. It's suddenly genuinely
• 1:56:45
  thrilling. You've suddenly got poison gas.
• 1:56:47
  The Doctor being rescued by the Master, got a fake trial, a fake
• 1:56:51
  Bonnie. But again, as with the previous
• 1:56:53
  story, with their voice, Pip and Jane make it all make sense.
• 1:56:57
  It's logical, it flows, there's a consistency to do.
• 1:57:00
  It does all the writing work here?
• 1:57:02
  Of course it doesn't, because we got that nonsense about civil
• 1:57:06
  war and insurrection on Gallifrey that we suddenly get
• 1:57:09
  told about. I've no idea what's going on
• 1:57:11
  there. But you know what?
• 1:57:12
  When it comes down to it, we find that the the Valley Yard
• 1:57:15
  wants to kill off the top brass on Gallifrey.
• 1:57:17
  The Doctor saves the day. It's clear what's going on and I
• 1:57:20
  think Pip and Jane do an absolutely sterling job of
• 1:57:23
  pulling everything, everything together in very difficult
• 1:57:26
  circumstances. And I actually really enjoyed
• 1:57:28
  Part 14. So it's one apiece and for my
• 1:57:32
  final reason is going to be an absolute positive.
• 1:57:35
  And it's the performances. Colin is great in this story,
• 1:57:40
  isn't it? So sad he ends up with the most
• 1:57:42
  ignominious line of all time with characters, characters,
• 1:57:45
  characters. But you know what?
• 1:57:47
  I exactly but. In this two parter, he's shown,
• 1:57:50
  he's absolutely shown. We've seen that he's brave, he's
• 1:57:53
  intelligent, he's charming, he's charismatic, he's full of rage
• 1:57:56
  and anger when he needs to be. He's devious, he's insightful.
• 1:58:00
  Everything you want from the lead character and everything
• 1:58:02
  you want from the lead actor. Yes, he's blessed that he's
• 1:58:05
  playing off against Michael Jason, who, thank God in Part
• 1:58:08
  14, is freed from the constraints of the courtroom.
• 1:58:11
  He did that little runaway bit in Part 13 when no one noticed
• 1:58:14
  him run away. Finally, he can do some kind of
• 1:58:18
  grandiose melodrama that he was brought him for, and he's
• 1:58:21
  brilliant. And the two of them play off
• 1:58:22
  each other. Amy, I think is great in this,
• 1:58:24
  too. He's kind of halfway between his
• 1:58:27
  OTT panto and his more subdued master Bonnie.
• 1:58:31
  I think Bonnie's horribly underserved by this, but you
• 1:58:34
  know, when she does the fake out, when she comes to rescue
• 1:58:36
  the Doctor from the fake out trial, you know, that's a good
• 1:58:38
  moment for her. But generally, across the board
• 1:58:41
  performances are great in this. So 2 for one I'm putting it
• 1:58:44
  through. You love that bit where it?
• 1:58:47
  Goes don't go through that door. They're so great together.
• 1:58:54
  They are great. Together and I love when she
• 1:58:56
  rescues them off the arc. Right.
• 1:58:59
  Should we go to the comments? I think John Bensale is not
• 1:59:02
  going. To agree with you, you know, in
• 1:59:03
  fact, I think he may have reverse opinions.
• 1:59:05
  He's got completely reverse. Opinion to me.
• 1:59:07
  So John Bensale says excellent first part.
• 1:59:10
  No, it's bollocks. Some killer revelations and
• 1:59:12
  nightmare nightmare world no, full of surreal terrorism,
• 1:59:16
  bureaucracy gone mad plus the cracking kevvanger.
• 1:59:18
  Not so excellent second part. Kudos the bakers for last minute
• 1:59:22
  intervention but the spurious morality can catharsis off.
• 1:59:26
  Well done, John James. Lark now.
• 1:59:29
  I love this. So positive, bold and
• 1:59:31
  imaginative and so confidently realized.
• 1:59:34
  They almost convinced you it's the climax to a coherent epic
• 1:59:37
  this series is pretending to be, rather than the loosely
• 1:59:40
  connected patchwork that it is. Like Colin's coat.
• 1:59:43
  None of it makes sense, especially when Pip and Jane get
• 1:59:45
  involved, but it's done with such style.
• 1:59:47
  That it doesn't. Matter and hurrah for Dominic
• 1:59:50
  Glynn. What do you mean it doesn't
• 1:59:52
  make? Sense it's a MB modem, we all
• 1:59:54
  know what one of those are, Luke Sims, Jenkins says.
• 1:59:57
  Like a new series season finale blockbuster, don't think too
• 2:00:00
  much and go along for the ride A bloody good time.
• 2:00:03
  Andy Parkinson behind. The scenes turmoil mean this
• 2:00:06
  script is delivered last minute and it shows.
• 2:00:08
  I quite enjoy it, but it's got more holes than a Swiss cheese
• 2:00:11
  factory. Probably the weakest of the
• 2:00:13
  season. Been it, John Arnold says.
• 2:00:15
  It's a. Miracle it hangs together at
• 2:00:17
  all, but it just about does it with Colin and Jason having a
• 2:00:20
  whale of a time. Given the original proposed
• 2:00:22
  ending, we should probably be glad that Saywood's departed
• 2:00:25
  here here and the series could get let a little light back in
• 2:00:29
  Dan Hollingsworth. Far more interesting for it's
• 2:00:31
  behind the scene dramas than anything seen on the screen.
• 2:00:34
  An appropriate messy end to an era that was marred by terrible
• 2:00:38
  decisions by the production team.
• 2:00:39
  Change and improvement was coming, though, David Gillespie
• 2:00:42
  Pratt said A. Game of two halves, obvious
• 2:00:44
  reasons, and it sort of works. The revelations in 13 are
• 2:00:47
  wonderfully done and the imagery in The Matrix is effective.
• 2:00:50
  Pip and Jane take the reins and once they have a different
• 2:00:52
  style, they deliver a finale that works, Jason Thompson says
• 2:00:56
  a. Mess, too much time in
• 2:00:58
  fantasyland and another cliffhanger resolved by It's not
• 2:01:01
  reality so it's OK. Cheating the Valliard is an
• 2:01:04
  intriguing concept, but the chickening out of killing Perry
• 2:01:07
  was a bad move. A major insurrection on
• 2:01:09
  Gallifrey barely registers, given that we only hear about it
• 2:01:13
  for a line or two bin like Coy says, Is there a?
• 2:01:16
  More awfully clunky piece of dialogue in Doctor Who than
• 2:01:19
  Melanie known as Mel. I quite like that, I think it's
• 2:01:22
  quite endearing. Holmes's final Doctor Who act
• 2:01:25
  jams together the Victoriana atmosphere of Talons and the
• 2:01:28
  Kafkaesque bureaucracy of the Sun Makers.
• 2:01:31
  Then Pip and Jane pick up the scraps and do an entertaining
• 2:01:34
  job. But minus points for the worst
• 2:01:36
  version of the theme until the Capaldi era.
• 2:01:38
  And a strange choice to leave the Valley Yard, to live, to
• 2:01:41
  fight again. Another day.
• 2:01:44
  Paul Smy. Says the perfect.
• 2:01:46
  End the Revelations are jaw-dropping.
• 2:01:49
  Michael Jason is superb throughout the season, but at
• 2:01:51
  his sinister best here location is perfect.
• 2:01:55
  Big Orange, Michael says. After 14 episodes, the trial
• 2:01:57
  doesn't stick the landing. The two parts feel so tonally
• 2:02:00
  disconnected. One of those masses what ifs of
• 2:02:03
  classic Who. What if Holmes had a chance to
• 2:02:05
  give another edit or two? What if Saywood wasn't fired and
• 2:02:08
  we got the original ending? What if Colin had come back for
• 2:02:11
  another season under Carmel? That last one.
• 2:02:14
  We definitely talked about that, but I would love to have seen a
• 2:02:17
  season of Collin with Carmel. Dave Rennie has lots to do and
• 2:02:20
  was obviously troubled but I really like it.
• 2:02:23
  The cliffhanger is fantastic, Jeffrey Hughes is so watchable
• 2:02:26
  and the Valley of somehow escapes.
• 2:02:28
  Huge shame this was Collins last TV though, how utterly easier.
• 2:02:34
  Ian Banksters looks. Fantastic, but it's a collection
• 2:02:36
  of great ideas held together by some terrible linking material.
• 2:02:39
  The cast do their best, but the poor dialogue really holds this
• 2:02:43
  back. It should be superb, but it
• 2:02:44
  falls short. PlayStation Gamer 1. 87 The bit
• 2:02:48
  at the end where they say and Perry lived reminds me of the
• 2:02:51
  final scene in A Muppets Christmas Carol regarding Tiny
• 2:02:54
  Tim, Tom nuisances, Pip and Jane.
• 2:02:56
  Are underrated. Perhaps they just needed a
• 2:02:58
  script editor because speedily written episode 14 isn't half
• 2:03:02
  bad. Yeah, look what?
• 2:03:04
  They did with Tom and the Ronnie when they didn't have a script
• 2:03:06
  editor. Again, PJ Gallery Perry's death
• 2:03:09
  should have been left untouched. It was shocking and brilliant.
• 2:03:13
  So, Joe. Off to that foe.
• 2:03:15
  Please no. Give it to our.
• 2:03:17
  Guests, I'll go last on this one.
• 2:03:18
  Perfect. Let's go to Matt.
• 2:03:21
  Not to Joe Ford. Or, as I've always known him,
• 2:03:23
  Doc Ohon. I think Rod I'm.
• 2:03:28
  With you on this as a story of two halves and the stuff that I
• 2:03:33
  really like about it. I love the Master as the
• 2:03:36
  surprise defence witness. I think it's very 5 Doctors
• 2:03:41
  right where the Master has to come to the Doctor's rescue.
• 2:03:43
  But given that they wanted to include Ailey, it's nice that
• 2:03:48
  they suddenly have a sort of returning villain right at the
• 2:03:52
  end and he's not playing the typically villainous role.
• 2:03:58
  I kind of think the very odd makes more sense now that modern
• 2:04:02
  fans are used to evil doctors turning up 10 a penny in the
• 2:04:06
  series and it's an I think it's an interesting idea to have a
• 2:04:14
  sort of doctors dark side, a dark future Doctor I.
• 2:04:20
  Think the. Downs and some of the dialogue
• 2:04:23
  is is really fun. I think some of the imagery is
• 2:04:25
  great inside the Matrix. I love the the sort of you're
• 2:04:29
  like this is all joke, the sort of hands tugging at the doctor
• 2:04:32
  from all angles, so fucking him down.
• 2:04:37
  I'm used to saying those. Hands back, don't worry, but
• 2:04:40
  bear if the story. Is young Mr. Popowick?
• 2:04:42
  Obviously, and I think the performances are too grotesque
• 2:04:51
  to be real, but they are quite fun.
• 2:04:55
  The downsides to me? Are I don't ever feel like
• 2:04:59
  anyone's really thought what an evil version of the doctor would
• 2:05:02
  actually be like, because I the valley yards plan is the valley
• 2:05:07
  of plan is clear enough, but it's like has anyone really
• 2:05:10
  thought that the the doctor if he went evil, his top his top
• 2:05:14
  ambition would be to use some CSO electricity to wipe out 1/4
• 2:05:20
  of Time Lords. It yes, Roy Gallifrey.
• 2:05:23
  Yes, he's getting. His own back frack of.
• 2:05:25
  Infinity seems. A bit low rent.
• 2:05:30
  But I kind of feel like it's very compromised by losing the
• 2:05:35
  original idea, which is like, he just wanted to keep existing.
• 2:05:39
  He was like he was the final doctor and he there was so much
• 2:05:42
  more he wanted to do. And you start to get a hint of
• 2:05:46
  that Time Lord victorious kind of.
• 2:05:47
  I could have done so much more. I need to keep going.
• 2:05:50
  Kind of sensing some of the early outlines that just don't
• 2:05:54
  come across on screen. I think it doesn't quite, it
• 2:06:03
  doesn't quite tie the trial together in the in the most
• 2:06:07
  satisfying way. And I kind of think, given that
• 2:06:13
  the whole beef around Saywood leaving and walking out was JNT
• 2:06:18
  saying no, the endings 2 down B and two unresolved.
• 2:06:24
  You kind of end it with the Valley yard being unresolved and
• 2:06:26
  still sort of standing there cackling and that you know, they
• 2:06:30
  they knew that this could be the last one because that's what
• 2:06:33
  that's why say would laugh. That's why Pip and Jane write
• 2:06:36
  it. So knowing that giving Colin the
• 2:06:39
  last line, giving possibly the last the doctor's last ever
• 2:06:43
  words, Carrot juice, carrot juice, carrot juice.
• 2:06:46
  I kind of think it's not it's not come on, Ace, we've got work
• 2:06:50
  to do. It's a kind of finale, is it?
• 2:06:53
  I'm not I'm not quite keen on it.
• 2:06:56
  So I'm sort of torn on this one. It it kind of works and it kind
• 2:07:00
  of doesn't. I probably let it through, but
• 2:07:05
  they're equally annoying bits about it.
• 2:07:08
  That would mean that I wouldn't be devastated if it didn't make
• 2:07:13
  it interesting. Daniel.
• 2:07:16
  Let's go to you, OK. Well, just staying with the
• 2:07:19
  negative briefly, it I mean, my biggest problem for me is just
• 2:07:25
  the way it kind of wraps up. It's it's really kind of
• 2:07:28
  anticlimactic where you have a lot of techno Babble with that
• 2:07:32
  MB modem and then they blow it up and then job done.
• 2:07:36
  You know, for we mentioned Tony Selby Savolone glitz where was
• 2:07:43
  dimmer. It would have been great to have
• 2:07:45
  them, the pair of them back together again.
• 2:07:48
  That would have brought a lot more kind of pizzazz, I think in
• 2:07:51
  the proceedings. And yes.
• 2:07:55
  And then again, my my thing with the the Perry kind of
• 2:07:58
  resurrection, if you are going to go, if you're going to take
• 2:08:01
  Doctor Who to that sort of dark, dangerous, upsetting place, to
• 2:08:05
  then reverse it at the last minute just cheapens it, I
• 2:08:08
  think. And he's kind of does actually
• 2:08:10
  does the character a bit of a disservice, even though she was
• 2:08:13
  terribly, terribly treated all through her run.
• 2:08:17
  But on the plus side, there is, as we mentioned, the
• 2:08:21
  performances. I mean, Colin Baker, that
• 2:08:24
  speech, someone else has probably got stuff to say about
• 2:08:29
  that. So I'll just go with his line
• 2:08:32
  where he says the Valley Yard overestimates.
• 2:08:34
  His own cleverness. He is consumed with his own.
• 2:08:37
  Vanity. And it's great that they pair up
• 2:08:41
  Colin with Mel again. They get so Mel does get a
• 2:08:45
  little bit of stuff to do where she goes to rescue the doctor in
• 2:08:49
  the Matrix. I quite like that.
• 2:08:51
  Although yeah, the as we said, the dialogue that she gets in
• 2:08:54
  the courtroom scenes is not great.
• 2:08:57
  And can we also? Call out the worst bit of
• 2:08:59
  direction where she goes to grab the key from the keeper and he
• 2:09:02
  trips her up. It's very, it suddenly goes
• 2:09:05
  very. I was, yeah.
• 2:09:08
  I was not. I had to rewind it.
• 2:09:09
  What? It's very subtle, the way.
• 2:09:12
  His foot comes out and you just see her high heels go over.
• 2:09:18
  But my. Big #2 for me is sorry I phrased
• 2:09:21
  that wrong. My big.
• 2:09:24
  My big second reason. Is Anthony Ailey as the master,
• 2:09:28
  which how great is it to have a sort of surprise appearance for
• 2:09:32
  him on the screen to be. But you know, you can just
• 2:09:35
  imagine he's watched the whole of the trial of a Time Lord and
• 2:09:38
  thinking, I'm not having this. I'm going to I'm going to have
• 2:09:41
  my moment in the sun now and kind of Lord it over the the
• 2:09:44
  Time Lords and the trial and the courtroom and I'm going to, you
• 2:09:48
  know, hug some of the glory for myself.
• 2:09:51
  And as we did mention that he kind of pitches it not to
• 2:09:56
  pantomime and not to subtle. It's kind of a nice in between.
• 2:10:00
  And my favorite bit of that is when he he he partners up with
• 2:10:04
  glitz and then at one point he he holds glitz at gunpoint and
• 2:10:08
  glitz is like, oh, you know, I thought we trusted each other.
• 2:10:11
  And he says, my trust in you is an equal proportion to your
• 2:10:14
  trust me. And he looks really sinister.
• 2:10:17
  Thus the way he's LED in that in that darkness.
• 2:10:20
  And, you know, whereas it's truly evil where it's, you know,
• 2:10:24
  this is not this is, you know, this is not fun master anymore.
• 2:10:27
  This is the guy who could easily just murder him if he wanted to
• 2:10:31
  love as well. He's got that enormous.
• 2:10:32
  Treasure chest in his TARDIS full of jewels, just in case he
• 2:10:36
  needs to bribe. You know, the latest con man
• 2:10:38
  that comes his way. Yeah, and.
• 2:10:42
  And then finally, yeah, it's, it is, it is a bit of a mess.
• 2:10:46
  But as with all messes, that's why I'm, I'm always kind of, I
• 2:10:51
  always bristle at that description of mess because in a
• 2:10:53
  mess there's good stuff and there's bad stuff.
• 2:10:56
  So the good stuff I, I want to focus on is yeah, the all these
• 2:11:00
  ideas, the fact that the Valliard is a dark version of of
• 2:11:05
  the Doctor, and that's, you know, basically he's he the.
• 2:11:10
  Idea that he would he. There is basically a sort of
• 2:11:12
  self loathing there that he hates himself.
• 2:11:15
  And so he wants to, he wants to, he wants to, his dark side wants
• 2:11:20
  to basically kind of free himself of the the moral side of
• 2:11:24
  the doctor, the misguided moralizing.
• 2:11:26
  I really must curb these. Urges.
• 2:11:28
  I love that bitch. He's misguided, Maxims starts.
• 2:11:32
  Starts to. Slightly.
• 2:11:33
  Be a little bit doctorish. Well, yeah, quite.
• 2:11:36
  Quite, Yeah, yeah. And, you know, there's all
• 2:11:39
  these, they just, they just kind of throw all kinds of things in
• 2:11:42
  there. There's, you know, the Doctor
• 2:11:43
  becomes a catatonic zombie for one, for a bit.
• 2:11:46
  And and then, you know, there's that whole bit on the beach, as
• 2:11:48
  we mentioned, where he blinks in and out of existence and he
• 2:11:51
  looks like something out of an Ingmar Bergman, like the 7th
• 2:11:54
  Seal, kind of, you know, because they even bring up death and
• 2:11:58
  they quote Hamlet and they quote A Tale of Two Cities.
• 2:12:02
  And there's the Masters TARDIS and yeah, and it's and the
• 2:12:08
  Fantasy Factory and all that bureaucracy.
• 2:12:10
  And so there is a lot of kind of atmosphere in there, I think as
• 2:12:13
  well. It is just a bit of a shame that
• 2:12:15
  that all that, yes, as we said, the Gallifrey collapsing and
• 2:12:18
  Time Lords being thrown into chaos is all happens off screen.
• 2:12:22
  And you just kind of have to use your imagination, which if it's
• 2:12:26
  the finale, it kind of is asking a bit of a bit a bit much, but
• 2:12:30
  but you know, So, yeah, I'm going to let this one through.
• 2:12:33
  Oh, and my final thing is we mentioned the hands pulling the
• 2:12:38
  Doctor down into the sand. That's got to be a steal from
• 2:12:42
  the magician's apprentice, right?
• 2:12:45
  Where where you know so? If so, it's nice to know that
• 2:12:49
  Stephen Moffat is a fan of A Trial of the Time Lord and
• 2:12:52
  specifically the Ultimate Foe. So you know if you're going to
• 2:12:55
  steal from them. If you're going to steal, steal
• 2:12:57
  from the not quite best. But Joe, over to you 2.
• 2:13:03
  Two positives, but with an air of the negative.
• 2:13:07
  Pair of. Caution, caution.
• 2:13:10
  Let's go with caution. That people describe it as a
• 2:13:13
  mess, but this is one of those stories where the behind the
• 2:13:16
  scenes story is almost if not more interesting than the story
• 2:13:22
  itself. And then a bit like Underworld,
• 2:13:24
  you can watch Underworld DVD. The documentary is far more
• 2:13:27
  interesting than the story itself.
• 2:13:29
  I wouldn't say that's the case for the Ultimate Phone, but it
• 2:13:31
  is a really Saywood goes. All the lawyers coming in beep
• 2:13:35
  and Shane being pulled in at the last minute.
• 2:13:37
  The fact that this is even comprehensible on any level
• 2:13:42
  given what was going on at the time, the fact is as
• 2:13:45
  entertaining as it is and it's fun to watch.
• 2:13:48
  I think. Props to JNT, who's holding this
• 2:13:52
  very damaged ship afloat with his bare hands at this point and
• 2:13:55
  pulling in whatever say, pair of hands he can find to to get the
• 2:13:59
  thing bloody finished. I agree with Matt and I agree
• 2:14:03
  with Daniel. I think Anthony Amy coming into
• 2:14:06
  this story is one of the best things about the trial of the
• 2:14:08
  Time Lord and the fact that he calls the whole thing as Sherrod
• 2:14:12
  and he just starts going. I've been watching this bullshit
• 2:14:15
  for the last 12 episodes and now I'm here to bring some sanity to
• 2:14:20
  the proceedings. And there's one bit, I swear,
• 2:14:22
  where the camera goes right up on him as he's giving his speech
• 2:14:25
  and he just sort of goes right down the camera.
• 2:14:29
  Amy's having the best time of his life.
• 2:14:32
  It is. I must prefer Amy's master, like
• 2:14:36
  you said, that in the Five Doctors and in this and in the
• 2:14:39
  Makadarani actually, where he's the sidekick and getting kicked
• 2:14:42
  in the nuts than when they're trying to make him scary.
• 2:14:44
  Because maybe one exception aside, he just isn't scary.
• 2:14:49
  He's much more fun as the panto bidden.
• 2:14:51
  And that's exactly what he is here.
• 2:14:53
  I really love the surrealism. As well, and so does Colin
• 2:14:56
  Baker, who says in the wonderful DWM feature where he turns up at
• 2:15:01
  the door at the end of Terror of the Vervoy is to watch the
• 2:15:05
  ultimate. Foe with the Time Team.
• 2:15:07
  And I remember a quote of him saying that he just wanted more
• 2:15:10
  of this sort of stuff, sort of sapphire and steel weirdness and
• 2:15:14
  surrealism and all of this. And it is kind of refreshing
• 2:15:17
  because Colin Baker's time doesn't really isn't really
• 2:15:19
  laden with too much for saying this is the pilot for the.
• 2:15:21
  Stranger Jimmy? Very possibly.
• 2:15:24
  Yes, maybe he could have it off with.
• 2:15:26
  Who did you have it off with in The Stranger?
• 2:15:28
  Was it Sophie or what's the? Brian, what's?
• 2:15:30
  There, Sophie. Aldred.
• 2:15:32
  Yeah, she. Usually turns up.
• 2:15:34
  And these cheapo spin offs, Yes, I've got Sophie, Aldred and so
• 2:15:37
  in. Thanks, Matt, but I think all of
• 2:15:40
  that stuff works really well. I love it when he first beams in
• 2:15:42
  and you can hear the kid screaming in the distance and
• 2:15:45
  he's going around that weird circular thing and it really
• 2:15:48
  feels like you're back in sort of talons territory.
• 2:15:50
  The hands coming out the barrel, the hands coming out the sand
• 2:15:54
  going in and out of the the waiting rooms.
• 2:15:56
  Bad dialogue rod. Where are the hopelessly out
• 2:15:59
  date magazines? I love that life so much.
• 2:16:02
  My my surgery has the most outdate magazines you're ever
• 2:16:04
  going to see. Yeah.
• 2:16:06
  And then in Marvel scene, Pippen Jones pull every trick they have
• 2:16:10
  the gas on the beach, you know, hypnotizing the doctor like you
• 2:16:13
  said, assassinations masks coming up like it's.
• 2:16:17
  Everything in the Doctor. Who trick book, But it's kind of
• 2:16:20
  fun to watch scene to scene and when these actors are playing
• 2:16:23
  these scenes, how can it be anything else but an absolute
• 2:16:26
  joy? But my favorite thing about the
• 2:16:28
  ultimate vote is the twist of the Valley Yard being the
• 2:16:30
  doctor. I think that's a really shocking
• 2:16:33
  dramatic twist to hinge the 13th part of this 14 part story on,
• 2:16:39
  and it kicks the whole. So it suddenly makes those
• 2:16:42
  fucking trial scenes relevant that now we're doing it in real
• 2:16:46
  time and it's pertinent to the doctor as well.
• 2:16:50
  And Jason Mann, what a great doctor.
• 2:16:52
  Why do we never list Michael Jackson in the list of doctors?
• 2:16:55
  He's absolutely glorious, apart from a few comments he's makes
• 2:16:58
  at conventions. But we won't go there.
• 2:17:00
  You know, I bought them the PIED.
• 2:17:01
  Still. No, No, it's fun.
• 2:17:03
  It's really, really fun. And yeah, I think you guys are
• 2:17:07
  right to say it is a bit wobbly, but it's better than it it it
• 2:17:12
  probably should have been. So let's put every story in
• 2:17:16
  Trial of a Time Lord through. Trial of a Time Lord.
• 2:17:20
  All four stories go into oh wait, one more thing.
• 2:17:26
  The ultimate foe has. My all time favorite, most over
• 2:17:30
  the top line reading ever in Doctor Who.
• 2:17:33
  May I do it please in a you know in that episode that's been full
• 2:17:37
  of quotes the valley all is deliberately using the doctor's
• 2:17:42
  romantic nature of against him and your content to lit him.
• 2:17:49
  She's like, she's somewhere in the rafters, calling out to the
• 2:17:52
  back of her theater and she. Bless her heart, she didn't.
• 2:17:57
  Have a hope, did she? Anyway, it's all through.
• 2:18:01
  Fabulous. So all four.
• 2:18:03
  Stories go through to Round 2, so cue the Camp music Joe Camp
• 2:18:08
  music ago. And we?
• 2:18:10
  Start with Mind Warp plays the mysterious planet.
• 2:18:19
  Well, I'm going to go first because I.
• 2:18:20
  Think I've made it very obvious. I love Mind Warp, so Mind Warp
• 2:18:24
  is my choice of those two. Brave.
• 2:18:27
  It's bold, it's exciting, it's drilling, it's dark, it's
• 2:18:30
  hilarious. Absolutely every time.
• 2:18:35
  That a guess. So hard because Mysterious
• 2:18:44
  Planet is the fun one and Mind Walk is the not fun one.
• 2:18:48
  But I think out of out of the both stories, I think we're
• 2:18:52
  still kind of Doctor Who fans are still arguing about mind
• 2:18:55
  walk today. And I think that means it's an
• 2:18:58
  important contribution to Doctor Who history.
• 2:19:01
  So mind walk. Definitely mind or I think it's
• 2:19:08
  all the reasons you said Rod and I think it's.
• 2:19:13
  As I said, as I said, right? At the outs, I think it's better
• 2:19:15
  than somewhere else. I think it's probably the most
• 2:19:19
  interesting part of the trial, and I think it's Philip Martin's
• 2:19:25
  high point and Doctor Who. Given what we've got since I
• 2:19:28
  think a big finish, I created a. Chrome, OH.
• 2:19:32
  Yeah, I actually would have gone for Mysterious Planet.
• 2:19:37
  I think my warp is a better story.
• 2:19:39
  But I just think what Holmes does with Colin in Mysterious
• 2:19:43
  Planet, he turns around an entire era in the space of a
• 2:19:47
  single script. But my warp's going through
• 2:19:51
  fabulous so. First one to fall, so I've only
• 2:19:54
  got one more spin of my magic whale and it's Terror of the
• 2:19:58
  Vervoids. For once, the wheels.
• 2:20:03
  Done the right thing up against the ultimate foe.
• 2:20:07
  Matt, go for it. Ultimate foe or ver voids?
• 2:20:14
  If you've finished with my trick suit, I I just love.
• 2:20:19
  The fact that the first, literally the first line of the
• 2:20:22
  ultimate foe is. I came as soon as I could, my
• 2:20:25
  lady. How did nobody mention that till
• 2:20:29
  now? I mean, I've never said that my.
• 2:20:34
  Lady, it's up to you, Matt of. Course.
• 2:20:40
  I think I'm going to have to go with.
• 2:20:44
  Terror of the Vervoids. Because I think on that whole it
• 2:20:49
  is a better, more consistent piece of work, I do think.
• 2:20:54
  Though that. It's not as good a bit of the
• 2:20:57
  trial itself as the ultimate foe.
• 2:20:59
  I think the ultimate Foe, for all its flaws, actually does
• 2:21:03
  really engage with what's at stake in the trial and makes
• 2:21:07
  itself about the trial. So, but I'm going to stick with
• 2:21:10
  the voice, Daniel. What?
• 2:21:14
  Are you a comedian? No more of a clown, actually.
• 2:21:17
  Would you care to hear my rendering of on with the
• 2:21:19
  mottling? No, it's.
• 2:21:22
  It's. Terror of the Vervoids.
• 2:21:23
  Of course. No, this is.
• 2:21:26
  Probably going to be the most obvious one, but I'm going to
• 2:21:29
  ask you Ultimate fire or terror of the Vervoids.
• 2:21:32
  Terror of the Vervoids. Just for the fact that on a
• 2:21:35
  weekly basis, Marv Raft. Does.
• 2:21:38
  Axe out the scene where Mel has the thing on in the gym and
• 2:21:42
  goes, hello, what? And then she sort of runs up and
• 2:21:45
  he jumps up the sofa and pretends he's putting it up on
• 2:21:48
  the grill. And he does it every single week
• 2:21:49
  for me because I love it. Terror them, of course.
• 2:21:52
  My God, it's glorious. Fabulous.
• 2:21:55
  And I'm absolutely. As well, going with Terror of
• 2:21:57
  the Verve voice, it's just so so.
• 2:21:59
  Much fun. What a face off the lightest and
• 2:22:01
  the darkest Collins story. Gosh, this one's going to be
• 2:22:05
  hard. So mind warp or verve voice we
• 2:22:08
  do need for a winner. Let's.
• 2:22:10
  Start voice for me. The voice for me.
• 2:22:12
  The voice for Joe. One for the voice, Daniel.
• 2:22:21
  My tear. Of the tear of the verve voice
• 2:22:24
  Mind warp. Two for verve voice.
• 2:22:27
  Matt, OH. I'm sticking with mind Warp, I
• 2:22:31
  think it's the the most interesting.
• 2:22:34
  I'm going to stick with Mind Warp as well.
• 2:22:36
  No usually. Usually we would have to have a
• 2:22:39
  fight to the death to find the finale, but as you may need to
• 2:22:44
  can. We have the fight, please.
• 2:22:45
  Definitely. OK.
• 2:22:47
  We both are going to go through. In our final for the best Colin
• 2:22:51
  story, which we'll explain in a minute so but we are for the
• 2:22:54
  time being going to park Mind Warp and tariff of all votes as
• 2:22:59
  joint winners, should we say for the time being, but we'll come
• 2:23:01
  to that in a second so. We're now going to talk.
• 2:23:06
  And pick our favorite Colin story overall.
• 2:23:10
  So first of all, before we get into it, Matt, Daniel, would you
• 2:23:13
  like to give us your overall feelings about Colin as a Doctor
• 2:23:18
  overall across his entire era? How do you feel about him?
• 2:23:22
  Let's start with. Daniel.
• 2:23:28
  So when? When?
• 2:23:31
  Because I'm still, I'm like Matt, I haven't seen every
• 2:23:34
  Doctor Who story. I'm still, that's still a
• 2:23:37
  journey in progress. And when, when, when people
• 2:23:43
  I've, I've heard, you know, many people go on about Colin and you
• 2:23:47
  know, oh, you need to listen to his big finish and oh, you know,
• 2:23:50
  he was so undeserved. And of course, those, you know,
• 2:23:53
  when you have so much praise, it automatically makes me
• 2:23:57
  suspicious. So I, I approached him with a,
• 2:24:00
  you know, a very fair amount of of trepidation, shall we say.
• 2:24:05
  And he was an absolute revelation.
• 2:24:08
  He's a just a just a joy as as as the doctor and just the his,
• 2:24:14
  his, the way he gets so indignant over the smallest
• 2:24:17
  possible things, the way he gets so self important all the time.
• 2:24:21
  But it's also very, very endearing because he does these,
• 2:24:24
  you know, these things with his voice where you can have these
• 2:24:27
  volcanic eruptions and then he can bring it right down again.
• 2:24:30
  And I think Cy Hart coined the term that celestial sadness
• 2:24:37
  where he can bring this sort of forthright decency to the
• 2:24:40
  character. And so him and him and Nicola
• 2:24:44
  are together, especially they have this sort of, it's almost
• 2:24:48
  like a time travelling Pygmalion act where, you know, he's trying
• 2:24:52
  to teach her stuff and she's complaining and he corrects her
• 2:24:55
  on everything. And he's it's, it's, it's just
• 2:24:57
  brilliant. So yeah, I think Colin's, the
• 2:25:01
  overall quality of Colin's run, you know, there's ups and downs,
• 2:25:05
  as with every doctor, but I think he is remarkably
• 2:25:09
  consistent throughout. And I can see I can understand
• 2:25:12
  now why everyone loves him so much.
• 2:25:15
  So count me in that camp too. Fabulous.
• 2:25:18
  Matt, can we count you as camp? Oh, sorry, in that camp.
• 2:25:24
  Now let me see, I was about to be sentenced I believe.
• 2:25:29
  I I think given he has the worst start in my view of any doctor,
• 2:25:38
  I think like give the twin dilemma to Tom Baker, I think he
• 2:25:43
  would have struggled. To come back.
• 2:25:45
  From it, the fact that he does come back from it and is ends up
• 2:25:53
  sort of likeable. The bombast is balanced out with
• 2:25:57
  like real warmth. I think it's it's a tribute to
• 2:26:03
  his sort of commitment to the role and the fact that he wanted
• 2:26:08
  to to be Doctor Who. I think I still, I still look at
• 2:26:13
  the era and struggle sometimes to get past the things that I
• 2:26:19
  think just still don't sit well with me.
• 2:26:25
  I don't like the way he and Perry are written for a big
• 2:26:28
  chunk of time. And I think that really, I think
• 2:26:31
  a doctrine companion, that relationship is so key to the
• 2:26:36
  success of the show that if you write it in a way that they seem
• 2:26:40
  to hate each other's guts, even even if the actors are trying to
• 2:26:44
  play against as much as they can, I think that really sort of
• 2:26:47
  kicks the legs from under what he and Nicola Bryant are doing a
• 2:26:51
  lot of the time. I don't think the costume, how I
• 2:26:54
  know, I know there's a kind of, we've learned to love the
• 2:26:58
  costume, but I still think in the mid 80s I think people
• 2:27:03
  switched on the TV and saw that costume and just thought it's
• 2:27:07
  ridiculous. And I think.
• 2:27:12
  He's sort of haunted by a cancellation.
• 2:27:16
  To be fair, if Davison had stayed on for fourth year,
• 2:27:18
  probably would have been cancelled at the end of
• 2:27:20
  Davison's fourth year. And there would have been a even
• 2:27:25
  bigger struggle to bring it back as you would have been bringing
• 2:27:27
  it back with someone completely different because Davison
• 2:27:30
  wouldn't have stuck around. So I think given all of the
• 2:27:33
  things that he has to work against the fact that.
• 2:27:37
  He's. Still standing, he's very loved
• 2:27:40
  and he's gone on to have an incredibly successful run for
• 2:27:45
  Big Finish. Just mean that kudos to him.
• 2:27:51
  Bless him. He's he's, he deserves to be in
• 2:27:54
  the line up with the doctors. Fabulous.
• 2:27:57
  Joe. There was. 1.
• 2:27:59
  Doctor Who Magazine pole around the time of Doctor Who and the
• 2:28:04
  Pirates, where Colin topped the best.
• 2:28:09
  Doctor. Pole and I cheered.
• 2:28:12
  I was so happy I wanted to send him a copy of The Bloody
• 2:28:15
  Magazine. When I first watched Child of
• 2:28:19
  the Time when I was 13 and my life was in pieces at the time,
• 2:28:25
  my dad was a brute and a monster.
• 2:28:27
  My sister had had an emotional breakdown.
• 2:28:29
  My dad went off to prison, we lost our home.
• 2:28:32
  I was in a really bad place and I didn't really have a a strong
• 2:28:38
  role model to look up to. And it was 1993 when that trial
• 2:28:42
  of a Time law box that came out. And I remember buying that and
• 2:28:46
  watching it over and over and over again because there was
• 2:28:49
  this playful in like righteously indignant, smart, funny hero
• 2:28:56
  right at the center of Doctor Who.
• 2:28:58
  And I kind of think that might have been the first man I
• 2:29:01
  probably looked up to. It's so strange to think of it
• 2:29:03
  now. And I fell in love with Colin
• 2:29:05
  Baker like it was it was a bloke that I can absolutely just love
• 2:29:10
  with all my being. Then I started watching some of
• 2:29:12
  the earlier stories. Twin Dilemma and sorry guys, I
• 2:29:16
  still loved him. Like I just thought he could
• 2:29:18
  find the charm and the humor even when the writing wasn't
• 2:29:22
  giving him those opportunities. I genuinely think if there is
• 2:29:25
  like, you know, a piece of work that is 99.9% shit, Colin will
• 2:29:32
  find the point 1% of gold and turn it into about 75% gold when
• 2:29:37
  he's done with it. Like he had a huge amount to
• 2:29:42
  contend with behind the scenes in the writing.
• 2:29:45
  The fact that he sort of screamed his way through that
• 2:29:48
  era as confident as he does delivering the performances that
• 2:29:52
  he does and that his post Doctor Who career has been so
• 2:29:55
  incredible. Like he's played that convention
• 2:29:58
  circuit like an absolute dream. He's wonderful to listen to his
• 2:30:02
  aunt, Those are great. He loved the show when the show
• 2:30:05
  didn't love him. And now he's being paid in kind
• 2:30:08
  and he deserves it. And he went off and he did all
• 2:30:10
  that post cheapo spin off for BBV and then he's jumped over to
• 2:30:14
  a big finish and they revolutionized his character
• 2:30:16
  completely. And I just think he's got an
• 2:30:18
  amazing journey. And we're at a point now where
• 2:30:21
  Colin is one of the great doctors and he's always been one
• 2:30:24
  of the great doctors for me. I think he's wonderful.
• 2:30:27
  I think it's really interesting. When we talk about Colin,
• 2:30:30
  because I don't think it happens with any other Doctor, that when
• 2:30:34
  you talk about him and his period on the show, you
• 2:30:37
  constantly referring back to the production team and the people
• 2:30:41
  that were supporting him in there.
• 2:30:43
  You know, when we we'll come to it in time, Joe, when we talk
• 2:30:46
  about Davidson and we talk about Tom Baker and Pertwee and yeah,
• 2:30:49
  sure, we'll reference Barry Letts and Terence Dicks.
• 2:30:52
  We'll talk about the Hinchliffe era and the Williams era, but
• 2:30:55
  none of those of the doctors are as saddled with a production
• 2:30:59
  team that's in as much chaos. We don't honestly define
• 2:31:02
  everything based upon what was happening in that production
• 2:31:05
  officers. We do with Colin and Parsat
• 2:31:07
  because he went through such a trouble period and the show was
• 2:31:10
  going through such a troubled period JNT for all his pluses.
• 2:31:14
  And Joe, you're absolutely right.
• 2:31:16
  You know, you've talked about here, you've talked about on
• 2:31:18
  other strippers and I completely agree with you.
• 2:31:20
  The vast, vast, vast majority of the time he's he's casting,
• 2:31:24
  which is what he was, you know, obsessed with.
• 2:31:26
  That was he's in his bloody good threat.
• 2:31:28
  He's got a good feel for the show.
• 2:31:30
  God knows he knows how to get some publicity for that show.
• 2:31:34
  That's what he was focusing on. But it's the creative horses
• 2:31:38
  behind the era that just let it down.
• 2:31:40
  Saywood doesn't give a shit. He doesn't like Colin Baker
• 2:31:43
  personally. He doesn't clearly doesn't like
• 2:31:46
  the show anymore. He's fallen out with Giant C and
• 2:31:49
  yet he still hangs on. And he just turns that era into
• 2:31:52
  A certainly the first part, certainly 22.
• 2:31:55
  It's just so uncomfortable in so many places because you can see
• 2:31:59
  everything's fighting against each other.
• 2:32:02
  It's grim, it's nasty. And that's kind of what was the
• 2:32:04
  atmosphere of the in the production office must have been
• 2:32:07
  in that time. Just really nasty and
• 2:32:09
  backbiting. You know, maybe the Doctor and
• 2:32:11
  Perrier are mirroring Saywood and JNC because it's all neither
• 2:32:14
  of them want to be there and they're fighting against each
• 2:32:17
  other. It's just the whole thing just
• 2:32:18
  feels uncomfortable. And unfortunately when I think
• 2:32:21
  of the Colin era, that kind of toxicity I think comes through a
• 2:32:26
  little bit for the first part of the era I find quite difficult
• 2:32:30
  to judge. And then the other thing that
• 2:32:31
  really Colin would have benefited from in his early
• 2:32:34
  days, and it's really hard to judge Doctor's early
• 2:32:37
  performances because they all change over time.
• 2:32:39
  But the problem with Colin is he's got so little time that you
• 2:32:41
  do tend to look at every performance and judge.
• 2:32:44
  I think in some of those early ones.
• 2:32:45
  I'm thinking particularly in Twin Dilemma and Attack
• 2:32:48
  particularly, he's so enthusiastic to be there, he's
• 2:32:52
  so happy to play the doctor that I think sometimes that personal
• 2:32:56
  happiness and that personal joy bleeds through a little bit too
• 2:33:00
  much. What you see him on screen?
• 2:33:01
  Something like you know that bit worries in.
• 2:33:03
  The child's repair and tackle the side men go, you know, and
• 2:33:05
  passion and that dreadful speech they make him say.
• 2:33:08
  And then at the end of it qualifies that moment where he
• 2:33:10
  goes, I won't hurt you exactly. And it just sells it
• 2:33:14
  brilliantly. It does, but the scene that.
• 2:33:16
  Always kind of sticks made is him rolling around the floor at
• 2:33:19
  the end of attack, firing at the side.
• 2:33:21
  Believe he's just. You can see he's playing in the
• 2:33:24
  playground and he's absolutely loving it.
• 2:33:26
  And it's just awkward on screen. And there's no one in that
• 2:33:29
  production office that says Colin, tone it down a little
• 2:33:32
  bit, do something a bit different.
• 2:33:34
  So by the time we get to Verve voice, he's such a different
• 2:33:36
  doctors as we've talked about tonight, actually delightful.
• 2:33:40
  There. And all the seeds were there
• 2:33:42
  earlier, but he needed stronger people creatively to help him
• 2:33:46
  and guide him on that journey. But, you know, generally, Colin,
• 2:33:49
  he's a great doctor. I loved him at the time.
• 2:33:51
  I loved him when I first saw him.
• 2:33:52
  I didn't mind the costume, you know, OK, maybe I was a odd 20,
• 2:33:57
  whatever I was at that point. Well, I don't know.
• 2:33:59
  I think I was. I definitely was.
• 2:34:01
  I loved the costume. I thought it was great.
• 2:34:03
  Yes, I can see the floors in there, but there's so many
• 2:34:06
  problems in that era in the behind the scenes stuff that I
• 2:34:09
  think let Colin down. The proof is of.
• 2:34:12
  What you just said is in those first 50 releases of Big Finish,
• 2:34:16
  where suddenly there is a production team behind and
• 2:34:18
  people like Gary Russell, people like Jacqueline Rayner say, what
• 2:34:21
  do you want to do? How do you want to play it?
• 2:34:23
  And then they give him material like Mario Conspiracy, Jubilee,
• 2:34:26
  Davros, Holy Terror, Pirates Who and the pirates.
• 2:34:30
  And you think, fuck me, if he had these scripts on telly, this
• 2:34:33
  would be the Doctor, like Tom Baker.
• 2:34:36
  Who the hell is that? You know, I'm not so sorry about
• 2:34:39
  you. Can't see him in that stupid
• 2:34:40
  costume. Well, actually, just a MO a
• 2:34:44
  word. On the costume, I mean, it is
• 2:34:47
  dreadful, but the, the I do like that blue Cape he gets in
• 2:34:51
  Revelation of the Daleks, where he holds it up like the wings of
• 2:34:55
  a of a bird almost. And he's like, what do you
• 2:34:57
  think? And she's like, yuck.
• 2:34:59
  But he looks great. I think he looks so good in the
• 2:35:02
  snow with the the blue Cape and everything that if he had more
• 2:35:05
  blue, if Colin had more blue, which is what they gave me in
• 2:35:09
  real. Time and those animated
• 2:35:11
  adventures wasn't it was the blue suit.
• 2:35:12
  And originally, of course, he wanted it to be all black.
• 2:35:15
  Now, I'm not sure that would have worked.
• 2:35:17
  Almost the kind of Christopher Eccleston look.
• 2:35:20
  But yeah, that costume does saddle him a little bit.
• 2:35:22
  But I just. I think Matt's right.
• 2:35:24
  I think he could. Survive the costume.
• 2:35:25
  That now? It's almost like the pride flag
• 2:35:27
  costume of Doctor Who, you know? And I see.
• 2:35:30
  That. Now, more in conventions than
• 2:35:32
  any others or variations of it. You know what you just said
• 2:35:35
  there about Colin loving the role?
• 2:35:37
  Yeah. And that bleeding in.
• 2:35:38
  I think I can pinpoint the moment when Colin Baker is
• 2:35:42
  loving the role the most. But it's not until you meet.
• 2:35:45
  It's in Big Finish and some doctor in the Pirates, when he's
• 2:35:48
  singing that song with the first mate and he's up on the rigging
• 2:35:51
  and I can't remember what they're singing.
• 2:35:53
  That I am the very much. No, that's the first one.
• 2:35:56
  Anyway. He's up there hanging on.
• 2:35:58
  He's going, please, please allow me one more chance before you
• 2:36:02
  cut me down like a dog. And he's just having the best
• 2:36:06
  time of his entire life. And the best thing about it is,
• 2:36:09
  is all of those fans that pushed away from on the TV are utterly
• 2:36:13
  embracing him at this point. It's so wonderful.
• 2:36:15
  I'm so pleased, absolutely. So we asked our listeners to
• 2:36:19
  give us some comments and we've got we've got a few overall
• 2:36:21
  comments about Colin before we get to picking his best story.
• 2:36:25
  James Lark says there's amazing variety in Colin's era given its
• 2:36:29
  brevity. And for all the wrong headed,
• 2:36:30
  excessive ideas and dysfunction behind the scenes, there are
• 2:36:34
  considerable highs. Whatever Baker is handed, he
• 2:36:36
  gives it his all. A towering magnet.
• 2:36:39
  We've got a magnetic presence, a fine actor, a great doctor.
• 2:36:43
  Wow, that's a great. Epitor to Colin Michael Storm,
• 2:36:47
  the poorest serve actors played the Doctor in classic Who.
• 2:36:49
  However, Colin brings something to every scene he's in and is
• 2:36:52
  often the best thing in the stories.
• 2:36:54
  A shame say would despise him so much as under any other script
• 2:36:57
  editor he would have been gold. Dave Rennie says Colin is.
• 2:37:01
  Too angry ATV doctor for my taste in 22 but he softens in 23
• 2:37:05
  and on audio he's a revelation. Love his bombastic
• 2:37:08
  confrontations with the villain and his cuddly Uncle Softer side
• 2:37:12
  which comes out more as he goes on.
• 2:37:15
  I have heard some. People criticize that cuddly
• 2:37:17
  uncle actually in latter years, but they're wrong, John Arnold
• 2:37:22
  says. A terrific, passionate
• 2:37:23
  ambassador for the show whose doctor was ill served by
• 2:37:26
  multiple production issues. He always gives even the weakest
• 2:37:29
  scenes is everything to try and make them work.
• 2:37:32
  He was the doctor on the day it wasn't possible to get it right.
• 2:37:35
  Yeah, I see what you did there, John Arnold.
• 2:37:37
  Yeah, very good. Gabin says Colin was my doctor
• 2:37:41
  and badly underrated. So much enthusiasm and love for
• 2:37:43
  the show, which shines through despite Saywood's efforts.
• 2:37:47
  Charismatic, funny, lovable and capable.
• 2:37:49
  His sacking was the biggest misstep in Who?
• 2:37:52
  I've got good news and I've. Got bad news for you?
• 2:37:55
  Oh, Jake. He didn't have a clue, did he?
• 2:37:58
  And he did the good news first. The show's coming back.
• 2:38:01
  Yeah, you're off. Sorry, love.
• 2:38:04
  Mark Harrison says mad how 23 reconfigured 6 by pitting him
• 2:38:08
  against the ghost of Doctor Who yet to come and it's only a
• 2:38:12
  setup for his later, better big finishes.
• 2:38:15
  I've come to see him as the Frasier Crane Doctor and he's
• 2:38:18
  much better off since his tacky grim telly era David Gillespie
• 2:38:22
  practice. There's some.
• 2:38:23
  Poor choices with costume and character at the start.
• 2:38:25
  Yeah, he's clearly trying to make his Doctor work in 23.
• 2:38:28
  We can really see the potential of the 6th Doctor and it's a
• 2:38:32
  shame it had to end so suddenly. Hurrah for Big Finish Ian Banks,
• 2:38:36
  the only thing. That the entirety of fandom is
• 2:38:39
  agreed on is that Colin was right not to come back and film
• 2:38:41
  a regeneration scene after he was fired, except Matt, Michael
• 2:38:46
  and Joe Ford and the time in the Rally Hamster commentary.
• 2:38:49
  We all love this wonderful ambassador for the show, even if
• 2:38:52
  his stories are sometimes less than perfect, Gareth Bowley said
• 2:38:55
  the 6th. Doctor is a wonderful character.
• 2:38:57
  He fights for what is right and the trial typifies that.
• 2:39:00
  Colin is a force of nature, pushing through visually and
• 2:39:03
  verbally. The character is always in my
• 2:39:05
  heart as he feels very close to me.
• 2:39:07
  He's got a fabulous. Bubble butt in season 23 as
• 2:39:10
  well. You know.
• 2:39:11
  I'm sorry, big orange Michael says good doctor.
• 2:39:15
  Too bad about the stories. I wonder what a season or two
• 2:39:18
  with a more invested script editor would look like for him.
• 2:39:21
  The era suffers for some big ideas that aren't followed
• 2:39:23
  through. I still like his era, what's and
• 2:39:26
  all Paul Smyer said Colin. Baker was, in my view, a
• 2:39:29
  fantastic doctor. It was a brave decision to have
• 2:39:31
  him. Unlikeable at start.
• 2:39:32
  And yes, there's a lot of arguing with Perry. 23 is where
• 2:39:36
  he's at his best. It's a travesty he wasn't given
• 2:39:39
  another season. Nearly there, folks.
• 2:39:41
  Stevie. Says I think the water
• 2:39:43
  department should have gone more Babin the barbarian than beco
• 2:39:46
  the clown, Drew Clay, said Colin.
• 2:39:49
  Is the best doctor and was done so dirty on the show And
• 2:39:52
  finally. Nigel Horsler says Colin is one
• 2:39:55
  of the best ambassadors for the show.
• 2:39:57
  It's always a joy to meet him. I think I've heard that from
• 2:40:01
  pretty much everybody. Yeah, I've never heard about
• 2:40:03
  what it's said about. Colin, I mean I met him many
• 2:40:06
  times back in the 80s and he was always glorious and apart from
• 2:40:09
  obviously when people were ruining the revelations to come
• 2:40:12
  at the end of Trial of a Time Lord, but apart from that he was
• 2:40:15
  always, always upbeat, always, particularly one particularly.
• 2:40:18
  Grumpy fan who was looking after him at Comic Con, say he was
• 2:40:22
  getting impatient. But I mean, with people like I
• 2:40:24
  was coming up at him all day, who can blame him?
• 2:40:27
  I think you're allowed to do that.
• 2:40:29
  So we're now going to pick the best Colin Baker story.
• 2:40:33
  So the way this is going to work, folks, is it the first
• 2:40:35
  time we've done this? I shall need new camp music.
• 2:40:38
  You will need new camp music. So we've got the two winners
• 2:40:42
  from, well, we've now actually got three winners unfortunately.
• 2:40:45
  But what we would normally do is take the winners from the from
• 2:40:49
  the season polls that we've done.
• 2:40:51
  We would then pick two wild cards from the ones that came
• 2:40:55
  second. But obviously here we can't do
• 2:40:57
  that because we've only got two seasons to go from.
• 2:41:00
  So we're going to put the four of them into the mix and we're
• 2:41:03
  going to decide between us which comes out the best.
• 2:41:06
  And we're going to do that slightly differently to how we
• 2:41:08
  usually do this on the hamster, but I presume.
• 2:41:12
  Well, there is that, yeah. You've you've spoiled me to the
• 2:41:14
  to the tagline, but we're going to be first.
• 2:41:17
  Matt, did you see it? Putting.
• 2:41:19
  Your clothes back on. Matt, for crying out loud,
• 2:41:22
  Daniel's the hottest. I mean, oh, sorry, I will.
• 2:41:25
  I mean hottest and hottest can. Will you please move us on?
• 2:41:29
  I'll move you on very quickly. Right.
• 2:41:31
  So we've obviously got mind warp and verb voice from this series.
• 2:41:34
  We've got from series 22 Revelation, which is our top
• 2:41:37
  story. And Varos, the audience, Joe,
• 2:41:40
  have heard you and I bang on about Revelation and Barros, but
• 2:41:43
  we haven't heard Daniel and Matt's views on them.
• 2:41:45
  So before we go into this, guys, do you want to just give us a
• 2:41:48
  couple of minutes on both those stories?
• 2:41:50
  Daniel, let's start you on Revelation, OK?
• 2:41:54
  I really like Relevant Revelation.
• 2:41:56
  I think it's full of phantasmagorical imagery.
• 2:42:00
  Imagery, I don't mind that Colin and Nicola take the whole of
• 2:42:04
  Part 1 to get to to get to, well, to get to Part 2 because,
• 2:42:10
  because then Perry gets some fun stuff with the DJ and Colin gets
• 2:42:15
  to confront Davros. So it's all been building up to
• 2:42:17
  that, you know, to that, to that showdown between and the idea
• 2:42:22
  that Davros wants to go into business.
• 2:42:24
  I think it's just, it's just very funny.
• 2:42:28
  And yeah. And it's got a great guest cast,
• 2:42:30
  all those, you know, wonderful, wonderful characters.
• 2:42:35
  So yes, I really like Revelation and Varos.
• 2:42:39
  I also really like it's probably the nastiest that Doctor Who has
• 2:42:44
  been it where Eve is now. It also see it almost seems to
• 2:42:48
  be kind of approaching self loathing where it's now sort of
• 2:42:52
  criticizing itself, criticizing the audience, having the sort of
• 2:42:56
  postmodern metacometry about the viewers following on at home.
• 2:43:00
  But I really like it for that. It's really kind of it's got
• 2:43:03
  this sort of bracing nastiness to it.
• 2:43:06
  I will agree with Matt though, that I think between the two,
• 2:43:09
  probably mind warp is the the sequel and the better story
• 2:43:13
  between the two. Interesting.
• 2:43:15
  Matt, your take on Revelation Varos I.
• 2:43:19
  Think. Varos I wouldn't.
• 2:43:22
  Have put it through. Personally I think Revelation
• 2:43:25
  and Mark Aroni from that season are much better.
• 2:43:29
  I do like, I reckon Etta and the sort of meta commentary thing.
• 2:43:33
  That's good. I think though the plot is all
• 2:43:36
  over the place and it's a bit sort of Terry Nation.
• 2:43:40
  It is worse where if you need another 10 minutes, we'll just
• 2:43:44
  stick another bit of Death Zone in, you know, another challenge
• 2:43:47
  to to overcome. There's a kind of invasion that
• 2:43:50
  gets organised and then cancelled off screen.
• 2:43:53
  The sort of mad scientist doesn't really other than just a
• 2:43:57
  general area of nastiness that doesn't seem to gel that much
• 2:44:01
  with the other bits of the story.
• 2:44:03
  And I would say the direction is very Ron Jones at his not best.
• 2:44:08
  So there's there's a bit where a guard sort of just wanders in
• 2:44:12
  and then just. Which is just.
• 2:44:17
  Awful. There's a bit where the doctors
• 2:44:19
  like going don't don't let the vines touch you for an instant
• 2:44:22
  while Jason Connery crawls all over them.
• 2:44:24
  A bit like rather the sort of critique you had if the sort of
• 2:44:27
  finale of the mysterious planet. So I kind of think I find
• 2:44:32
  Vengeance embarrassed Why disappointing compared to Mind
• 2:44:37
  Warp. It does have the one line
• 2:44:38
  though. Matt, that inspires our
• 2:44:40
  relationship, yours and mine. I want to hear you scream until
• 2:44:45
  I'm deaf. With pleasure.
• 2:44:50
  I'm not going to ask what that noise is all about.
• 2:44:53
  Let's move very swiftly on. Oh, very.
• 2:44:55
  Briefly, just just my favorite bit of Pharos actually is, is
• 2:45:00
  that bit where the doctor and Perry pop their heads around the
• 2:45:02
  corner. Hello.
• 2:45:04
  Hi encapsulates the doctrine Perry in one tiny, tiny moment.
• 2:45:11
  And that is their whole relationship sort of summed up.
• 2:45:14
  It's just brilliant, just perfect.
• 2:45:17
  Revelation. I think that this, the direction
• 2:45:22
  is so much better than Varys. It's great baroque direction.
• 2:45:25
  It's really, it's all like almost like a gothic pop video
• 2:45:29
  with scrolling screens and Graham Harper pulling out all
• 2:45:33
  the stops. You can kind of see say what's
• 2:45:37
  really letting himself get into the story and really enjoying
• 2:45:40
  himself with it. And you could kind of see how
• 2:45:44
  that could work if if you wanted to go further down that route.
• 2:45:48
  I think some of the dialogue is is really quite grisly, but
• 2:45:51
  funny. Like, she's already started to
• 2:45:53
  froth. On the downside, picking your
• 2:45:58
  nose. On the downside, it is kind of
• 2:46:03
  just like a better version of Attack of the Cybermen with like
• 2:46:07
  lots of people, lots of double acts, lots of people dying, and
• 2:46:10
  Doctor and Perry being a little bit peripheral to the action and
• 2:46:16
  not not necessarily having a great deal of interaction with
• 2:46:21
  the wider cast. Although at least the Doctor
• 2:46:23
  does come up with a solution to the galaxy's food crisis, so he
• 2:46:27
  does do some good for once. Unlike Attack the Side of it I
• 2:46:32
  did try. And fight for Mark and Ronnie.
• 2:46:34
  You know Matt, but no one else was having it.
• 2:46:37
  I tried so hard. I think he came third.
• 2:46:39
  It it 4th on gamely didn't it? Right.
• 2:46:43
  Sorry very briefly that. That part Part 1 has a brilliant
• 2:46:47
  kind of well, just before the cliffhanger when the statue
• 2:46:50
  falls on him, but it has a brilliant moment, a Collin
• 2:46:53
  moment where he he realizes he's not going to regenerate when he
• 2:46:56
  sees the statue of himself and he thinks that that's that's
• 2:46:59
  where his life ends. And it's just a very marvellous
• 2:47:04
  kind of soliloquy. And he's so wistful when he sort
• 2:47:07
  of he talks to himself and Perry's trying to find all these
• 2:47:11
  ways out of it and he's just almost resigned to it.
• 2:47:14
  It's, it's very, it's almost like if, if if you take name of
• 2:47:17
  the Doctor and squash it down into a single minute, much more
• 2:47:21
  concise, much more enjoyable. My.
• 2:47:23
  My my favorite looks. Like no, go on, that's it.
• 2:47:28
  I was done. My.
• 2:47:30
  My favorite thing about Revelation of the Dialects is
• 2:47:33
  that JNT wanted salons Olivia they have muted that he's a
• 2:47:40
  sausage role and he wanted. Loris Olivia.
• 2:47:46
  He wanted Loris Olivia to say to Colin Baker, You wouldn't think
• 2:47:50
  I once. Looked like you.
• 2:47:55
  Bless them, do you know? I know I've.
• 2:47:57
  Already spoken about revelation and dies, but my my love for
• 2:48:00
  Tasman Baker has no I cannot stop the bit before she dies and
• 2:48:04
  she wanders into the corridor and goes oh, why did I do it?
• 2:48:08
  It's so funny, it's so terrible. It's.
• 2:48:14
  Just delirious. There is so much to laugh.
• 2:48:17
  At in this era, even amongst all the darkness.
• 2:48:20
  Even when you're sometimes laughing at it rather than with
• 2:48:22
  it, well, it's something. Right.
• 2:48:25
  So we've got our four stories, we've got Revelation, we've got
• 2:48:28
  Varos, we've got mind Warp, we've got verb voids.
• 2:48:31
  What we're going to do now is you are going to select two
• 2:48:35
  stories or whoever goes 1st and you are going to tell us why one
• 2:48:40
  deserves to go through and one as opposed to the other one.
• 2:48:44
  We've had no prep time. For this, no prep time for this
• 2:48:47
  because we didn't know which. Stories would end up whichever
• 2:48:51
  story you select that's going to go through to the other three.
• 2:48:54
  If the three of us agree with you, your story of choice will
• 2:48:57
  go through to the next round. If we disagree with you, then
• 2:49:02
  we're putting the other story through.
• 2:49:03
  So there's only going to be 3 rounds here with four stories,
• 2:49:06
  so pick your stories very carefully.
• 2:49:09
  Both so pretty I don't know if. I'll be able to disagree with
• 2:49:11
  either of them, but let's try it out.
• 2:49:13
  So, Matt? Let's start with you pick your
• 2:49:16
  story of choice and pit it against the story you want to
• 2:49:19
  send home. Well, I'm going to pick the two,
• 2:49:21
  Philip. Martins and my story of choice
• 2:49:23
  is mind warp. I think it should go through the
• 2:49:25
  most interesting bit of trial. It's got some great it's got 1
• 2:49:29
  Jones being really good at directions.
• 2:49:30
  It's got some Philip Martin being really good at characters.
• 2:49:34
  It's got some really great moments of, of Colin Baker going
• 2:49:40
  mad and acting a bit tipsy. And it's got Brian Blessed.
• 2:49:45
  And I think you can pay that to Benjamin Sombarros where it's
• 2:49:52
  Juan Jones at his worst direction.
• 2:49:54
  It's a bit of a wandering, meandering story.
• 2:49:58
  There are bits of it that are kind of that don't really make
• 2:50:03
  any sense. And, and there's like a long
• 2:50:05
  section of the doctor meant to be rescuing Perry because it's
• 2:50:09
  really urgently rescues Perry. And he just like stands about
• 2:50:12
  Wittering on about something while Perry gets turned into a
• 2:50:15
  bird or something like, oh, for God's sake, just go and rescue
• 2:50:17
  the woman. But it, it, it kind of lacks the
• 2:50:21
  tension that mind warp has. So mind warp goes through for me
• 2:50:25
  when you're not. Varos doesn't get chucked in an
• 2:50:28
  acid bath. Good pitch.
• 2:50:30
  So let's start with Daniel. Are you going to agree with that
• 2:50:33
  or disagree? Yeah, I'm, I'm.
• 2:50:35
  Won over by Matt's argument, for one.
• 2:50:38
  Actually, it made it just made me think of one very specific
• 2:50:41
  reason why is that in, in Varos? In Varos, There's it's forgive
• 2:50:46
  me for being so shallow, but there's a bit where, well,
• 2:50:50
  Perry's wearing this, this basically a blue version of her
• 2:50:53
  attack of the Cyberman costume. And, and I was going through the
• 2:50:57
  story and I'm like, OK, this is maybe not too sexualized.
• 2:51:01
  And then you get to the bit where she gets strapped down and
• 2:51:03
  turned into a bird. Her breasts.
• 2:51:06
  Are. Covering like the literal left
• 2:51:09
  side of the frame. You contrast that with Mindwalk
• 2:51:12
  and she's also strapped down and it's just as troubling and
• 2:51:15
  upsetting. But I think it's handled more
• 2:51:18
  powerfully and it has a a greater purpose to it than than
• 2:51:23
  something that is just reversed at the end of barrels literally
• 2:51:26
  within probably the next scene. I never thought the breast.
• 2:51:30
  Factor would be something that that went towards a strictly
• 2:51:33
  vote, but hey, the text or sort of breast factor.
• 2:51:38
  Joe So. It's.
• 2:51:41
  One for. Mind warp.
• 2:51:44
  Are you going to agree with that?
• 2:51:45
  Yeah, I am actually. Yes, for all the reasons said
• 2:51:49
  and I think Ventilon virus fizzles out of the end like
• 2:51:52
  massive with that off screen invasion and they just sort of
• 2:51:54
  go well, see you later. Well, you're not much better
• 2:51:57
  than the people we've just murdered, but do your best.
• 2:51:59
  Whereas mind warp ends with the death of Perry, the time was
• 2:52:02
  exposed and the dust furious. So you know, on those terms
• 2:52:05
  alone, you leave mind warp in a far better place than you leave,
• 2:52:09
  which is a virus. And I also.
• 2:52:12
  Completely agree. Yeah, I mean, Mind Warp just
• 2:52:15
  feels such a Polish, Polish production from the direction,
• 2:52:18
  the writing, the storyline, everything.
• 2:52:21
  Just the acting crack because there's some terrible, terrible
• 2:52:24
  acting in Barrows. Step forward Jason Connery or
• 2:52:27
  someone truly loathsome such as you, Quillham.
• 2:52:32
  It's just it feels like Barrows does feel a little bit.
• 2:52:36
  I like it, but it does feel like they're kind of making it up as
• 2:52:39
  they go along a little bit. How can we stretch this out a
• 2:52:41
  bit further to get to 45 minutes?
• 2:52:44
  Whereas Mind Warp feels much, much tighter and like the author
• 2:52:48
  actually knows what he's doing. So yeah, I completely agree.
• 2:52:51
  So Faros is the first to fall Daniel over to you.
• 2:52:56
  You're left with Mind Warp. You can pick that again if you
• 2:52:59
  want. The Voids and Revelation pick
• 2:53:01
  one against another. OK, I'll do Veroids against
• 2:53:09
  Revelation because as much as I enjoy Revelation, I think it's,
• 2:53:17
  well again, for a quite simple reason.
• 2:53:19
  Revelation is written by Eric Saywood and it's not written by
• 2:53:23
  Pip and Jane Baker. So on that strength alone, I
• 2:53:26
  think voids, I think also voids repeat rewards, repeats viewings
• 2:53:32
  because you've got, it feels fresh.
• 2:53:34
  You've got a new Doctor, a new companion, you're chucked into
• 2:53:37
  the middle of the action. And then again, it's this kind
• 2:53:39
  of story that I just, I, I just hope one day that I, I turn on
• 2:53:43
  the TV and they're rerunning old Doctor Who again on UK gold or
• 2:53:47
  whatever and terror of the Vervoids just shows up.
• 2:53:50
  And that is just the kind of slot that it's made for.
• 2:53:54
  So terror, terror of the Vervoids.
• 2:53:57
  Brilliant A. Brave.
• 2:53:58
  Choice it's given that Revelation usually wins all the
• 2:54:01
  polls of the Collin story. But Hamster's very good at
• 2:54:03
  changing things. Matt, do you gonna agree with
• 2:54:06
  that? Do you prefer Vervoids over
• 2:54:08
  Revelation? This is this is tough.
• 2:54:11
  I think everything Dan said is right.
• 2:54:15
  I think Vervoids hip and Jane versus Revelation, Eric Taywood,
• 2:54:20
  who has to take his share of the blame for the things that we
• 2:54:24
  criticized earlier about 6 Doctors era.
• 2:54:27
  Vervoids got Mel, Revelation has got Perry, I think I prefer Mel.
• 2:54:36
  Perry, which is. Maybe a controversial.
• 2:54:38
  Opinion, but I think her and the sick doctor have such a great
• 2:54:41
  relationship from the off. I think Verboids wins out.
• 2:54:45
  Doctors great in Vervoids. He's fine in Revelation, but
• 2:54:49
  doesn't he does get some great moments.
• 2:54:51
  Dan's pointing out that lovely moment in front of the tune of
• 2:54:53
  some nice moments of comedy while they wander around in the
• 2:54:56
  snow, but he's not as integral to the stories.
• 2:54:58
  Not the sort of propulsive force in the story that is in
• 2:55:01
  Vervoids. But the direction of.
• 2:55:04
  Revelation is so good and I don't think the voice can hold
• 2:55:08
  it a candle to just the production of it.
• 2:55:11
  I'm. Going to have to.
• 2:55:15
  Go with the voice because of the male factor and the better role
• 2:55:19
  for the Doctor. That's hard.
• 2:55:23
  Go. I think this one's going to.
• 2:55:24
  Be a hard one for you. It's really hard.
• 2:55:27
  Man, when you pick those two, I was cursing your name.
• 2:55:30
  But in my head, I think Revelation of the Dykes is one
• 2:55:34
  of the best executed Doctor Who stories ever.
• 2:55:37
  And I'm including the new series.
• 2:55:39
  I think Graham Harper's direction of that it, you know,
• 2:55:42
  you think. You can't really have.
• 2:55:43
  A camera to it. However, I think Terra the Vervo
• 2:55:50
  is I have the most fun with possibly.
• 2:55:55
  Any other classic? Doctor Who story, I just think
• 2:55:58
  it's a joy to watch. It's like pure, if I'm having a
• 2:56:01
  shit day and, you know, I work in retail, I have quite a few of
• 2:56:04
  those. Would I come home and watch, you
• 2:56:06
  know, Davros's grandiose scheme of using cannibalism in order to
• 2:56:10
  save famine in the universe? Or would I watch Honour Blackman
• 2:56:13
  camping it up in a murder mystery and Space Rim by Pip and
• 2:56:16
  Jane Baker? I would definitely do the
• 2:56:19
  latter. And I secretly really want.
• 2:56:21
  Terror. The Vervoys to win.
• 2:56:23
  So I'm putting Vervoys through Go.
• 2:56:27
  I'm going to pick. On this statement you made just
• 2:56:30
  at the beginning of that summary, you said Revelation is
• 2:56:32
  the best directed Doctor Who story of all time.
• 2:56:36
  I will take the words Doctor Who out of that.
• 2:56:38
  It's one of the best directed stories.
• 2:56:40
  It's not a Doctor Who story. There is no story.
• 2:56:44
  Vervoids is. Vervoids is a solid Doctor Who
• 2:56:47
  story, Yes. OK, it's a bit traditional.
• 2:56:52
  You could even argue it's a little bit pedestrian in places,
• 2:56:55
  certainly compared to the verve of the good bits of Revelation.
• 2:57:00
  But Revelation is just a meandering set of set pieces
• 2:57:03
  involving characters that aren't the Doctor and the Companion.
• 2:57:07
  It doesn't really tell a story. So for me, Vervoids is a much
• 2:57:12
  more coherent story. So I'm going to put Vervoids
• 2:57:16
  through as well. I'm not sure when.
• 2:57:19
  There's Graham Harper involved. You could ever say revelational
• 2:57:21
  meanders. Maybe the story wise.
• 2:57:24
  Story wise, story, not visually, not visually, yeah, a story wise
• 2:57:29
  it meanders Gap. No, absolutely.
• 2:57:32
  Same as there's more. Verve in verb.
• 2:57:34
  There are more verve in. Voids so it's interesting we
• 2:57:37
  have ditched the two season 22 stories and we are we should
• 2:57:41
  have just kept going. Well.
• 2:57:44
  This was the choice we came to before which is better, Vervoids
• 2:57:47
  or mind warp? And there is only one way to
• 2:57:49
  find out and it is a fight. So who's going to be brave
• 2:57:53
  enough? Joe, I think it ought to be one
• 2:57:54
  of our two guests that pitched the final choice, Daniel Mapp.
• 2:57:59
  Who wants to take proposing? Which is better, Mind warp or
• 2:58:03
  Vervoids? And bear in mind, you won't get
• 2:58:06
  a vote if you propose that. You've got to just win us over
• 2:58:09
  with your charm. Easy.
• 2:58:15
  Man, do you want to go? Thanks, man.
• 2:58:19
  I was just. I was just you.
• 2:58:20
  Beat me to like being polite. Right, I am going.
• 2:58:25
  To pitch for mind. Walk.
• 2:58:28
  And I'm going to pitch for it because I think the drama that
• 2:58:33
  it has in the trial season and in the full Colin Baker era is
• 2:58:39
  the greatest drama of all. I'm not even the biggest fan of
• 2:58:44
  like the Perry death, but the drama of that moment, the drama
• 2:58:48
  of the finale is superb, but it's also incredibly funny.
• 2:58:53
  I mean, we, we, we've talked about how funny some of the
• 2:58:57
  other stories in like Revelation can be.
• 2:59:00
  But some of the lines that that Kev gets the, the comedy
• 2:59:05
  sequence of, of Kev getting his brain transplanted into the sort
• 2:59:09
  of fisherman and then starting to have like a weird fish
• 2:59:13
  fetish. Did you have the fish?
• 2:59:14
  Magnificent. It's got.
• 2:59:20
  It's got. The the brilliance or Patronia
• 2:59:24
  it's got, it's got Crozier, who's just a brilliant
• 2:59:27
  character. I think it's got darkness, it's
• 2:59:33
  got frights, it's got laughs. It's got a great, great guest
• 2:59:39
  cast. And I think when I look at when
• 2:59:45
  I look at Vervoids, I see it's a little bit overlit compared to
• 2:59:53
  Mind Warp. It's not quite as well directed.
• 2:59:57
  I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder around Colin being
• 3:00:00
  denied his Hercule Poirot finale moment.
• 3:00:05
  I love it. But I think mine walks just all
• 3:00:09
  around the stronger piece of work and it deserves to win.
• 3:00:15
  Joe, I think you and I. Are here on this so you and I'll
• 3:00:17
  go next and we'll leave Daniel to be the final.
• 3:00:21
  Arbiter. Of the Colin Baker era.
• 3:00:24
  So go for it Joe Vervoids or mind warp.
• 3:00:26
  I think I know which way you're going to fall, but let's go for
• 3:00:28
  it. That's a really good.
• 3:00:30
  Case you made there and. Vervoids is.
• 3:00:34
  What I've always. Loved and I still love and Mind
• 3:00:37
  Warp is 1 where every time I watched it I even loved it or
• 3:00:41
  hated it for different reasons. And in the last couple of years
• 3:00:44
  I've learned to just love it no matter how insidious and dark it
• 3:00:49
  gets. And now I've embraced the
• 3:00:51
  ending. It is the dramatic high point of
• 3:00:55
  Colin Baker's time. That voice is so fun.
• 3:01:01
  It's like a 90 minute wank. It's so fun.
• 3:01:07
  Oh, if only you'd said that. Before Joe, they could have.
• 3:01:08
  Put that on the poster. Any of us, if I hadn't.
• 3:01:12
  Heard all the great arguments about mine today.
• 3:01:14
  I would have put the screw easily.
• 3:01:18
  And primarily because I know Stephen Brzevinski, who's my
• 3:01:22
  move is his least favorite story of all time, will spit out his
• 3:01:25
  team. When I say my walk to win, I do
• 3:01:29
  think it's very, very funny in places as well.
• 3:01:32
  The skedaddle test, while we've been through real.
• 3:01:35
  Yeah, my walk, my walk. That's not what I was.
• 3:01:37
  Expecting so actually, I'll come to Daniel Max then, because that
• 3:01:41
  wasn't the way I was expecting you to go.
• 3:01:44
  Daniel mind warp was her voids. Well, I remember.
• 3:01:48
  During mind warp, well, there's that exchange that it's not
• 3:01:54
  seal, it's not cave, it's that other that other slug that's
• 3:01:57
  with him, can't remember his name.
• 3:02:01
  But anyway, he he's always complaining about Brian blessed
• 3:02:04
  being so loud and and and then and then he spares his life and
• 3:02:11
  he's like, oh, thank you for your life.
• 3:02:14
  It was nothing, no shouting, so on.
• 3:02:17
  The basis of that exchange? Alone yeah as you guys say it's
• 3:02:22
  so funny it's there is a lot of humor in there too even though
• 3:02:25
  we've. We've gone over it several times
• 3:02:27
  that as soon as the Doctor Perry touched down on that planet, you
• 3:02:31
  get the sense that something is very wrong and that dread never
• 3:02:35
  really leads you, but the the humor is there too.
• 3:02:39
  So so that and that is, you know, the the kind of basis of a
• 3:02:42
  Doctor Who story is to. Not.
• 3:02:44
  Judge So to be there's the there's the humor and there's
• 3:02:48
  also the scary bit or the the dread, if you prefer.
• 3:02:51
  And yeah, as as as problematic as Perry's fate is, we're still
• 3:02:55
  talking about it today. It's still discussed in in
• 3:02:59
  Doctor Who's fan circles. And that's the value of a of a
• 3:03:03
  strong, a strong, a strong drama and strong and a strong script
• 3:03:08
  and a strong performance. So.
• 3:03:10
  So yeah, mind warp. Right.
• 3:03:13
  So, my vote. Will be superfluous because mind
• 3:03:16
  warp is one, but I would have picked mind Warp as well because
• 3:03:18
  I just think it's an absolute highlight of the 80s.
• 3:03:24
  We've we've said everything we can say.
• 3:03:25
  But Joe, you know, I'm a big Steven Moffat fan and I can see
• 3:03:28
  a lot of kind of Steven Moffat tramps in it.
• 3:03:30
  It's dark, but it's funny. It's almost like the classic
• 3:03:33
  series version of world and often time that's got that
• 3:03:36
  constant sense of dread. It's very funny, but it's also
• 3:03:39
  very dark. We end up with a loss of a
• 3:03:41
  companion. There are parallels there if you
• 3:03:43
  if you search, but I'm seeing more sort of Chris.
• 3:03:46
  Chibnul, you know, it's over complicated, it's dramatic, and
• 3:03:49
  in the end none of it makes any sense whatsoever and none of
• 3:03:52
  it's paid off well. Oh no, I've seen a bit of
• 3:03:54
  Moffett as well, because he can't kill off his, can he?
• 3:03:57
  I wish I hadn't about to damn that.
• 3:03:58
  Haven't you so to wine back in compared to mind walk, I'm
• 3:04:02
  Philip Martyr. It's a brilliant script.
• 3:04:04
  It's just someone said it earlier as well.
• 3:04:06
  And it's a damn shame that they never kept those tapes as one of
• 3:04:09
  the best incidental scores the show ever gave them as well.
• 3:04:13
  Yeah. And it's it's just.
• 3:04:14
  Moody music, you feel it, you feel the tension through the
• 3:04:18
  music largely as well. So it's brilliantly lit, it's
• 3:04:21
  very well directed, unbelievably by Ron Jones.
• 3:04:25
  But it's just the lighting, the music, the tone, there's just an
• 3:04:29
  unnatural atmosphere about it that really sets it apart from
• 3:04:32
  other Doctor Who stories. And whilst I like Vervoids,
• 3:04:35
  Matt, you write it is quite overlay.
• 3:04:37
  There are slight shades of CBBC about Vervoids, as much as I
• 3:04:41
  love it, and I do love it, it's great fun.
• 3:04:44
  But you know, Mind warp is a heavyweight against a
• 3:04:48
  lightweight but to avoid. So for me it's Mind warp as
• 3:04:51
  well. So mind Warp is strictly come
• 3:04:54
  hamster's favorite Colin Baker story.
• 3:04:57
  So through you DWM poll, can we just all agree that at.
• 3:05:00
  One point that it's Matrona Carney that sort of pushed it to
• 3:05:03
  the top. Oh, without shadow, do you push
• 3:05:05
  me to denounce you? She's just wonderful.
• 3:05:09
  Even the little. Look, she does when she's in the
• 3:05:10
  background, she's another one that's giving it her all.
• 3:05:13
  She's so cab in. That mad dark story, you know,
• 3:05:16
  Do you wish to serve? Me A Perry.
• 3:05:19
  She's great. Anyway, sorry, sorry, let's end
• 3:05:22
  this show. We've got a winner.
• 3:05:24
  Fantastic. So the.
• 3:05:25
  Best Colin going through to the very final at the end is Mind
• 3:05:29
  Warp. No one will see that one coming.
• 3:05:32
  So all it takes is for us to thank our guests tonight for
• 3:05:36
  coming to an excellent conclusion.
• 3:05:38
  Thank you, Daniel. Thank you, Matt.
• 3:05:40
  Would you like to promote anything you're on or direct
• 3:05:43
  people to where they can find you online?
• 3:05:45
  Let's start with Daniel. Yes, OK.
• 3:05:49
  Well, if you would like to to to see even more of me, you could
• 3:05:56
  find me on Twitter at Daniel under score.
• 3:05:58
  Rawnsley. That's RAWNSLEY.
• 3:06:03
  And Speaking of mind warp, I, I'm, I've wrote a Doctor Who
• 3:06:09
  target style novelization of the much unloved New Earth, where
• 3:06:15
  you can now listen on Spotify in various audio readings of that.
• 3:06:20
  Depending on when this comes out, there'll probably be
• 3:06:23
  another instalment dropping soon, so check that out.
• 3:06:27
  Yeah, that is great. Stuff.
• 3:06:30
  Matt. I have done a write up of every
• 3:06:34
  individual episode, so like all 14 episodes of trial
• 3:06:39
  individually and every other episode of Doctor Who.
• 3:06:42
  My website which is Matthew michael.org or you can follow me
• 3:06:47
  on X or Twitter. Your miles may vary.
• 3:06:51
  It's the under score cybermapped with two TS.
• 3:06:55
  The under score cybermapped on Twitter.
• 3:06:59
  And they can also hear you, of course.
• 3:07:00
  On possibly the campus episodes of Hamster with a blunt pen
• 3:07:03
  knife, I'd also confirm. The whole of the whole of Doctor
• 3:07:08
  Who fandom. And bear in mind you know that
• 3:07:11
  98% of them are queer. Sorry Daniel.
• 3:07:13
  He gives the best head in fandom as well.
• 3:07:15
  What an accolade. And trust me, Joe, Joe's got
• 3:07:21
  Joe's got plenty of competition to line you up against.
• 3:07:25
  Fantastic. So on that on that shocking
• 3:07:27
  revelation for the evening, it just lets us thank our guests
• 3:07:31
  for tonight. Joe, next episode we are doing
• 3:07:34
  Series 3 with David Tennant. Yes.
• 3:07:37
  Oh. 2007. Is our next episode.
• 3:07:40
  There's so much gold in there. Absolute what?
• 3:07:42
  We've had gold. Tonight we've had Colin, so
• 3:07:45
  thank you went through. Thank you guys.
• 3:07:48
  Trial of a. Time Lord we love.
• 3:07:49
  It so thank you all guys very much.
• 3:07:51
  Thank you for listening and until next time Joe, just need
• 3:07:55
  to tell people keep. Good night everyone.
• 3:08:18
  The the.