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Huddle Up | Creating Explosive Plays, Pressuring the Colts Early · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Up.
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  Speaker 2: Jaguar senior writer John Osher and NFL network analyst and
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  Speaker 2: former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest on your
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguar. Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome into Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks. I
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  Speaker 3: am John Osher from the Hyundai Studios in Jacksonville. Bucky
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  Speaker 3: Brooks is in Los Angeles. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks
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  Speaker 3: auto.com and Bucky, we got a lot to talk about, uh,
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  Speaker 3: by week fire sale, BTJ and Travis Hunter is some
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  Speaker 3: of my top topics. Uh, but, uh, We'll get to
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  Speaker 3: Firesdale in a second with the Colts, but post-bye, you know,
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  Speaker 3: reset for this team. Just give me a feel for
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  Speaker 3: how you think this team is going into the second,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, two-thirds of the season.
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  Speaker 1: To do all the things that they want to. Right.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we are live, and it's just me in
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  Speaker 3: the studio, and Bucky's breaking up a little bit. So
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  Speaker 3: we will toss its lingo to Liam Cohen talking today
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  Speaker 3: in his Wednesday press conference.
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  Speaker 1: It's two good players.
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  Speaker 4: We can't deny that, right?
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  Speaker 1: But knowing.
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  Speaker 4: You know what this team, you know, know what that
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  Speaker 4: team is going to want to do.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: This has to all be about our improvements, us getting
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  Speaker 4: back on track. Got a good division opponent that we're
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  Speaker 4: playing at home. And, you know, the focus level getting
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  Speaker 4: in pads today has to be about our execution, our
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  Speaker 4: fundamentals and technique, you know, because you just can't control
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  Speaker 4: that stuff. And if you think about it too much,
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  Speaker 4: it typically doesn't help.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Jaguars head coach Liam Cohen. Look, this
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  Speaker 3: game this week, playing the Colts, it's after the bye,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it's a really important game for this
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  Speaker 3: team in the sense of you feel like you know
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  Speaker 3: what the Jaguars are, and you feel like you know
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  Speaker 3: what the Colts are, And there's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: perception around the league that the Jaguars should win this
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  Speaker 3: game very easily. Talking to players in the locker room,
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  Speaker 3: I think they have the right mindset, which is that
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL, there are no such thing as easy games.
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  Speaker 3: That's going to be a theme as you go forward,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it's really true. So some of the
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  Speaker 3: other topics we're going to talk about are the Colts'
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  Speaker 3: fire sale, so to speak. They have traded guard Quentin Nelson,
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  Speaker 3: and they have traded defensive tackle DeForest Buckner, who are
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  Speaker 3: two huge keys, and that's another reason that people think
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  Speaker 3: it's going to be a blowout win. But from talking
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  Speaker 3: to players in the locker room and listening to Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 3: I thought Trevor today was very, very good on this
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  Speaker 3: in that it really doesn't matter when you have midweek
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  Speaker 3: moves like this you are going to face a team
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  Speaker 3: that still believes it's going to win. And I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: that's a, that's a key storyline for this team going
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  Speaker 3: forward into this game. It's, it's a chance for the
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars to extend the lead in the AFC South, which
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  Speaker 3: is very important. And we have Bucky back, so I
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  Speaker 3: will stop stalling and talk to Bucky. So Bucky, I
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  Speaker 3: thought today, Bucky, when Liam and Trevor were talking about
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  Speaker 3: this game, and many players in the locker room as well,
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  Speaker 3: you can say what you want about fire sale. But
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  Speaker 3: my experience with fire sale, with the NFL, with these storylines,
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  Speaker 3: usually when you have these storylines during the week, it
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  Speaker 3: does not result in a one-sided victory on Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: Well, the league is a one-score league, so it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 5: whether you have all your players or not, who you
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  Speaker 5: sell off or whatever. The game is built that it's
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  Speaker 5: going to be decided in the fourth quarter. It's going
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  Speaker 5: to be a touchdown or less. So even though there
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  Speaker 5: may be a significant advantage for the Jaguars on paper,
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  Speaker 5: we have to prepare for this game to be a
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  Speaker 5: tough game that's going to go into the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 5: And the one thing that the Jaguars can't kind of
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  Speaker 5: fall into is the trap of thinking, hey, the Colts
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  Speaker 5: are not going to show up.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bunch of professionals. They're going to come out
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  Speaker 1: and do their best.
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  Speaker 5: All of their jobs are on the line, particularly after
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  Speaker 5: you fire the general manager, the head coach is next.
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  Speaker 5: So they're going to give the Jags their best effort.
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  Speaker 5: It is on the Jaguars to be focused and to really,
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  Speaker 5: as they talk about, it's about the Jags.
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  Speaker 3: OK, we have lost Bucky again, having some technical difficulties today.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to our first break and see if we
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  Speaker 3: can figure this out. And when we come back, hopefully
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  Speaker 3: we will take a look at weeks one through six
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  Speaker 3: around the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 6: That push for your best, it's that you're chasing something
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  Speaker 6: that I think we really, we have a ton of
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  Speaker 6: confidence and belief that we're a really good team. And
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  Speaker 6: how good is that? And I think we all want
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  Speaker 6: to find out. And that's the only way that happens
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  Speaker 6: is if you put the work in every day, put
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  Speaker 6: your best foot forward. and just take it one week
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  Speaker 6: at a time. And we'll see where we stack up
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  Speaker 6: at the end of this thing. And I think that's where, um,
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  Speaker 6: there's a lot of confidence in, in our, on our team,
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  Speaker 6: but there's also the reality of you have to take
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  Speaker 6: it one day at a time. It doesn't matter how
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  Speaker 6: good you think you are. You know, you look at
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  Speaker 6: our schedule, we've got 11 games left.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 3: That was Jaguars quarterback, Trevor Lawrence talking today. Uh, Just
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  Speaker 3: a few minutes ago, actually, and I thought that was
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting point and an interesting perspective. It felt
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  Speaker 3: different to me than how this team felt last year
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  Speaker 3: when everything was chip on their shoulder, prove it. This team,
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  Speaker 3: to me, has more of a championship-type feel focused on
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  Speaker 3: the big picture feel than having to prove everybody wrong
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  Speaker 3: every week. So I thought that quote from Trevor was
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  Speaker 3: very interesting on that front. Are we joined yet by
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  Speaker 3: Bucky again? We are not. So, look, what I want
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  Speaker 3: to do with Bucky in this segment is take a
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  Speaker 3: look at weeks one through six. And I was going
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  Speaker 3: to play a game with Bucky, playoff championship game or
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl based on the whole team. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: ask him, does he think they're playing like a playoff
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  Speaker 3: team overall? Does he feel like they're playing like an
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  Speaker 3: AFC championship team overall or a Super Bowl team overall? And, Bucky,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard my lead into this,
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  Speaker 3: but we're going to play three versions of this. Right now,
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  Speaker 3: would you say the Jaguars are playing like a playoff
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  Speaker 3: team overall, an AFC championship team overall, or a Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl championship team overall? Just where are they? I feel
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  Speaker 3: like they're a playoff team without question. That's why I
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  Speaker 3: gave you those three options.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're a championship-level team right now.
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  Speaker 5: I think based on the last two performances where we
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  Speaker 5: didn't play our best against Philly and Houston respectively, I
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  Speaker 5: think we're good enough for sure to be a championship team.
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  Speaker 5: And if we make improvements along the way, we certainly
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  Speaker 5: can represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting, Bucky, because talking to a
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  Speaker 3: couple of people, and we haven't really talked about this,
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  Speaker 3: but I guess as you agree, it's not that they
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  Speaker 3: haven't come out prepared, playing hard, playing to identity in
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  Speaker 3: any of the first six games. But there's been a
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  Speaker 3: few since New England, really, where I think the feeling
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  Speaker 3: is they just haven't quite executed and played to their
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  Speaker 3: highest level yet. And that happens sometimes. Over 17 games,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to have games where it just doesn't click
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  Speaker 3: the way it can. You're not going to be able
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  Speaker 3: to team 35-6. These guys get paid, too. But I
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  Speaker 3: kind of feel like as long as they're playing effort, preparation, style-wise...
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  Speaker 3: They're going to win enough games to get to the
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  Speaker 3: times where they're really executing and can really run over teams.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's where they are right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 5: And the fact that we've won two out of those
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  Speaker 5: three games where we haven't had our A game, I think.
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  Speaker 1: It speaks to how good this team can be.
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  Speaker 5: And to be honest, John, when we really look at
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  Speaker 5: this team, the only goal should be to be the
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  Speaker 5: best team in the stadium each week. Now, we can
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  Speaker 5: have an idealistic view of how we want this team
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  Speaker 5: to play. We want them to play at a Super
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  Speaker 5: Bowl level each and every week. But the goal is
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  Speaker 5: to win the game that you have in front of you.
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  Speaker 5: And so my hope is on Sunday, this team is
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  Speaker 5: significantly better than the Colts. They play that way. They
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  Speaker 5: put them to bed, and then they're able to move
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  Speaker 5: on and go to the next game. But it's about
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  Speaker 5: making sure that those last six games going into the postseason,
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  Speaker 5: you're beginning to play your best ball going into the tournament.
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  Speaker 3: I have a few offensive bullet points I want to
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  Speaker 3: cover with you before we talk specifically what level the
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  Speaker 3: offense is at. Walker Little for Anton Harrison. How big
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  Speaker 3: a deal is this? My feeling is if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to be holding the trophy at the end of the season,
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  Speaker 3: you are not going to be holding that trophy with
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  Speaker 3: everybody on your roster healthy. You've got to get through
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  Speaker 3: a couple of these, and a couple of them are
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  Speaker 3: going to be long-term. This is sort of one. I
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  Speaker 3: think you can probably withstand a few. You're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be able to, but it Where does this end up
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  Speaker 3: in terms of importance, and how confident are you in
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  Speaker 3: Walker Little?
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  Speaker 5: A lot of confidence in Walker Little, and this is
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  Speaker 5: the reason why you kept him around.
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  Speaker 1: He's always been viewed as the sick starter.
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  Speaker 5: You knew inevitably that there may be an injury to happen,
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  Speaker 5: so whether it's a short-term fill-in or as a long-term sub,
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  Speaker 5: he was going to have an opportunity to play.
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  Speaker 1: Anton Harrison was playing really good ball.
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  Speaker 5: He's the blindside protector, but Walker Little has played this position,
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  Speaker 5: so it's not new, and Look, if there's going to
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  Speaker 5: be an injury, the one thing that you like is
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  Speaker 5: that you don't have to reshuffle the deck. You don't
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  Speaker 5: have to change everybody up front. You simply plug Walker
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  Speaker 5: a little in at left tackle. Everyone gets to stay
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  Speaker 5: the same. And we expect to have the same kind
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  Speaker 5: of offense that we've had through the first six games.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you may, I mean, I think they're going
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  Speaker 3: to have to help him some, especially against elite guys.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not worried about a guy over there sort of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, panicking in the situation. He, you know, It's
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  Speaker 3: very rare to ever have a backup with this level
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  Speaker 3: of experience. So that's an incredible luxury. He's, frankly, paid
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  Speaker 3: like an NFL starter. My guess is he will move
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  Speaker 3: on from this team at some point and be an
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  Speaker 3: NFL starter. So every team talks about having eight or
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  Speaker 3: nine offensive linemen that can start. This team has put
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  Speaker 3: its equity where its mouth is on that front. So
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  Speaker 3: that should serve them well. Give me your offensive superpower
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  Speaker 3: right now going into week seven or week eight. Why
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  Speaker 3: can this team be great offensively?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I think because the quarterback is playing at MVP level.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it all starts with the quarterback. If you
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  Speaker 5: look at the common denominator in terms of teams that
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  Speaker 5: play deep into January, it's some combination of a quarterback
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  Speaker 5: playing at the MVP level and a defense that is
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  Speaker 5: playing really, really well. If you look at the way
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  Speaker 5: the Jaguars are constructed defensively, Those things are in place.
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  Speaker 5: The foundation for those two things to happen are certainly there.
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  Speaker 5: Trevor is taking care of the football. He's been fantastic
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  Speaker 5: the last 16 or 17 games. They've won a lot
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  Speaker 5: of games with him at quarterback. And now we're beginning
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  Speaker 5: to see him have a level of command and confidence
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  Speaker 5: that leads you to believe that in these shootouts that
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  Speaker 5: inevitably are going to happen with us versus Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 5: Pat Mahomes, Joe Burrow, whoever's left standing in the AFC,
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  Speaker 5: he can go toe-to-toe and guide our team to the
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  Speaker 5: winner's circle. Yeah, I think if anything, the superpower of
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  Speaker 5: this offense is number 16 and number 16 playing.
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  Speaker 1: At a very high level.
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  Speaker 3: One of my grades when I was in elementary school, Bucky,
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  Speaker 3: was NI. It was needs improvement. You know, we didn't
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  Speaker 3: give out Ds in my elementary school because you want
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  Speaker 3: to hurt kids' feelings, but needs improvement, NI. What needs
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  Speaker 3: improvement offensively?
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  Speaker 1: Explosive plays.
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  Speaker 5: It's too hard right now for this team to just
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  Speaker 5: drive it methodically down the field each and every drive.
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  Speaker 5: At some point, we have to have explosive plays to
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  Speaker 5: alleviate some of the burden on 16 to play nearly
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  Speaker 5: flawless from the pocket. So however we are able to
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  Speaker 5: generate those, whether that's Fajotun on the ground popping 10
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  Speaker 5: to 15-yard runs, whether that is one of the playmakers
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  Speaker 5: on the outside being able to script a winner so
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  Speaker 5: that they can put the ball in the paint, we
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  Speaker 5: need to see more explosive plays within the function of
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  Speaker 5: the offense.
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  Speaker 1: But we have to.
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  Speaker 5: Generate those big plays Because those big plays, if you
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  Speaker 5: look at every drive, most scoring drives have some kind
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  Speaker 5: of explosive play. Run over 10 yards or pass over
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  Speaker 5: 20 yards as a part of it. We need to
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  Speaker 5: make sure that consistently we're generating those explosives.
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  Speaker 3: Offensively, playoff team, AFC champion or Super Bowl champion level
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  Speaker 3: right now?
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  Speaker 1: I think we're.
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  Speaker 5: Playing somewhere in between playoff and championship level. There's still
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  Speaker 5: other levels to go. The quarterback is certainly playing at
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  Speaker 5: a Super Bowl level, but we need his supporting cast
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  Speaker 5: around him.
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  Speaker 1: To match his effort every week.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to dig deep defensively in a minute, so
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  Speaker 3: I'll go quickly through the defense for this segment. What's
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  Speaker 3: the defensive power? I mean, what's the defense's superpower? I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to assume you're going to say run defense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, run defense has been great.
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  Speaker 5: And because they've been so good against the run, they've
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  Speaker 5: been able to force teams into a one-dimensional approach that
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  Speaker 5: should lead to more pass rush opportunities and more takeaway opportunities. Now,
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  Speaker 5: we're hoping that the Houston game was an anomaly. in
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  Speaker 5: terms of what we saw from our run defense, they
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  Speaker 5: allowed 114 yards on the ground to, I would say,
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  Speaker 5: some unheralded running backs.
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  Speaker 1: You had about a week to fix that.
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  Speaker 5: You need to make sure you continue to dominate against
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  Speaker 5: the run because that in itself is what sets up
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  Speaker 5: the turnover opportunities. And so I would say run defense
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  Speaker 5: is a superpower, and we've got to continue to make
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  Speaker 5: turnovers because that also has been a big strength of
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  Speaker 5: this defense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say if that Houston game is your
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  Speaker 3: awful game of the year, you're in pretty good shape
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  Speaker 3: because it was not the standard game But I've seen
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  Speaker 3: train wreck games, and that wasn't it. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: assume explosive plays is your N.I. on defense as well.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like that's sort of the mirroring each other, offense-defense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and even beyond just talking about the explosive plays,
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  Speaker 5: I would say the avoidance of blown coverage and missed assignments.
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  Speaker 1: Because a lot of the explosive.
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  Speaker 5: Plays are not coming on, A, their player is better
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  Speaker 5: than our player on perimeter. It's some Miscommunication is some
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  Speaker 5: uncertainty about what we're supposed to be doing. So we
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  Speaker 5: need to make sure that all 11 are on the
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  Speaker 5: same page. And Anthony Campanile talks about it. I've heard
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  Speaker 5: him talk about it at halftime. I've heard him talk
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  Speaker 5: about it like in run up to games about just
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  Speaker 5: making sure that everyone is on the same page. So
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  Speaker 5: finding that sweet spot where you have enough volume on
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  Speaker 5: the call sheet, but not too much that overwhelms them
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  Speaker 5: and gets them confused. We have to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: we don't beat ourselves. by misalignment and blown assignments.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's assume Houston was an outlier because I think
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  Speaker 3: the field had a tremendous impact on how that game
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  Speaker 3: was played. So big picture, 30,000 feet view of the
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  Speaker 3: defense through six games, playoff team, AFC champion, or Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl champion?
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  Speaker 5: I would say a playoff team that has championship potential.
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  Speaker 5: The reason why I can't go all the way is
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  Speaker 5: because we've had too many blown assignments, too many explosive plays.
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  Speaker 5: We're playing run defense at that level, but we've got
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  Speaker 5: to get the rest of the defense to control the
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  Speaker 5: game to make sure we don't give up those big
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  Speaker 5: plays and those explosive opportunities to the opponent.
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  Speaker 3: deep dive on the Indianapolis Colts who the Jaguars play
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  Speaker 3: and I read that read wrong, but we are fine. So, Bucky,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk to you about the Indianapolis Colts,
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  Speaker 3: a team. It's easy to call this a team in disarray,
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  Speaker 3: but it's also dangerous to call it a team in
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  Speaker 3: disarray when you're only in week six. I've always believed
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  Speaker 3: that any team, no matter personnel, is dangerous until the
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  Speaker 3: players believe they're out of it. Even at two and five,
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  Speaker 3: I've It doesn't feel they've been playing that way yet,
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  Speaker 3: but do the moves this week make them play that way?
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  Speaker 5: I'll look at it differently because the moves create opportunities
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: for others.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So when you remove two guys, you remove Quentin Nelson,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you remove.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: DeForest Buckner, they're young guys that are behind them that
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: are anxious, anxiously awaiting their opportunity to play more. So
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: there may be actually more energy from this team now
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: that they have young guys on the team, guys that
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: are taken advantage of. opportunities to show themselves. And remember,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: this team is on heightened alert. When you start firing
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: people and you have that conversation in meeting rooms that
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: everyone is playing for their jobs and that your tape
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: is your resume, well, now you've got to put it
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: on because you don't know if this coaching staff is going.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: To be there.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: If anything, we're going to get the best version of
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: the Colts because they know that they have to prove
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: themselves to continue to stick around. If this team, our Jaguars,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: if we don't prepare to have that energy and That's
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: going to come from the other side.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Well, then we're sadly mistaken if we think this team
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: is going to lay down.
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  Speaker 3: How big a loss– I mean, I think it's very big,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: but one guy on the offensive line, Quentin Nelson. What
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: does that do to them offensively? Who's traded to the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Seahawks this week, by the way?
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's devastating, right?
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: It's devastating in terms of you've got an all-pro player
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: that you've given away.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: You can't replace that.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: No matter how much I just talk about the young guy,
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: the next guy having an opportunity– He's not an all-pro
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: player like Quentin Nelson has proven to be.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: That's a huge loss.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: And for a team that would like to run it
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: with Jonathan Taylor, would like to control the line of
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: scrimmage and do those things, removing that piece of the
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: puzzle could be significant. And you can say the same
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: for DeForest Buck there on the other side. Veteran players
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: who've played well, they have pelts on the wall, they
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: know how.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: To take it up a notch when it gets close
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to that playoff time.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Removing both of those guys certainly should give the advantage
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: to the Jaguars, but you still have to be ready
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: for the next guys to show up.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Two guys fast. Give me a Daniel Jones breakdown. Again,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not able to follow other teams as closely as
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: you are.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Achilles still a factor, mobility. Where is he at in
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: terms of where he was this time last year?
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Well, it's really interesting because I just did a breakdown
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: on the Colts and Vikings game. And one, the Vikings blitz,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: the Colts are 87% of the downs.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: That's a lot.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not a mathematician, but that's almost every down.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost 90%.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: And when you think about Daniel Jones, maybe some of
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the immobility now that he has the Achilles. You'd like
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: to think that maybe, given Anthony Campanile's knowledge of Brian Flores'
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: defense from their time together, maybe you'll see the Jaguars
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: heat him up because he only threw 408 yards. He
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: had a tough time dealing with the constant pressure. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: relentless pressure made him fold. I would think that if
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: you're the Jaguars, you feel really good about your opportunity
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: to be able to put him under pressure and how
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: it could have a negative impact on his game if
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: you are able to put that pressure on him.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: It felt like against the Texans, the Jaguars blitzed, I think,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: more than usual. But you also kind of understood why,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: because you couldn't get any pressure on that surface. Is
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: it smarter, better? Smarter is the right word. Can you
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: be more effective blitzing when the other team doesn't know
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: you have to? I feel like both teams in London
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: knew the other team had to blitz because everybody sort
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of knew their circumstance. Do you follow me?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely follow you.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Look, man, someone said that the blitz should be an
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: occasional thing, a surprise thing. It shouldn't be a steady
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: diet of what you're doing. And the Jaguars have that.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: They live in this world where you want to bring pressure,
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: but how often do you want to expose your young
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: defensive backs?
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Right. It's always the balance, right?
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, which guys are at safety, the communication problems that
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: could arise when you begin to bring pressure in those things.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: You certainly like to use it as a tool.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you're the Jaguars, if you want
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: to live and die by the Blitz, but you've seen
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: it be effective on tape. You may want to experiment
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: and try and just kind of see how does he
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: hold up? Do they have answers for the problems that
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: they faced last week against the Vikings? If they don't
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: have an answer, you've got to give them a steady
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: diet of those things that they're struggling with to make
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: sure that you're able to kind of disrupt the rhythm
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: of this offense and not let them get going and
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: gain confidence.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Against the Jags.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, Bucky. I don't know if you heard
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Liam talk today, but I always say on this show,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: if you want to learn football, and we still do,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: you and I, listen to Liam Cohen Pressers. And he
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: talked for about two minutes on exactly the concept you're
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: talking about, that really deciding when to blitz, when to
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: bring pressure defensively, how to respond to that. He said,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: that's the game now. That's every game. That's the balance.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: That's what every coach... and offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator. That's
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: sort of the core of what's going on on the sidelines.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: It was very interesting to hear him talk about that
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: in relation, not just this game, but all of them.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: But it feels like with what the Vikings did last week,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: that could be a major storyline this week. Let's go
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: to the Colts defense. Obviously, they lost an all-pro in defense.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: You just mentioned it. They're already not statistically great against
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: the run this year. How much does that vulnerability to
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the run are they vulnerable talk about that a little bit.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah they're vulnerable and i would say there are two
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: losses that have really hurt them maybe more than they
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: anticipated one was in the offseason they traded away uh
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: zaire uh franklin which hurts him he goes to the
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: green bay packers and so they haven't really found a
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: replacement that can bring that same kind of level of
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: intensity and playmaking ability and now the forest buckton being
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: gone from the middle of their defense without We talk
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: about championship defenses are strong right down the middle. Without
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: a blue-chip player at defensive tackle or on the linebacker core,
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: they're weak. And when I think about what the Jags
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: want to do, particularly in running the football, running right
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: at that spot, running right at that three technique, being
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: able to get him up out.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: The game, now that is advantage.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Jags, you probably feel better about your chances of being
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: able to run it and to run it at will
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: than you did maybe.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: 24 hours ago.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a game– I've said it
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: on a couple spots this week, where the Jaguars, I
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: think they want to come out of the bye, establishing
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: that they are the running team and the stop the
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: running team that they envision themselves. So, you know, with
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the Colts losing what they lost, playing at home, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: think you're going to see the Jaguars try to establish
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: physical dominance in those two areas and now watch them
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: come out and throw for 500 yards. We'll be back
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: in a moment. We're going to take a look at
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars' defense a little bit. When we come back,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: this is Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: It starts with get off.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It starts with hand usage.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: It starts with mixing in pressure looks, right, to help
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: get the back eaten up. Or now we've got one-on-one matchups,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: different spots. And so, you know, it has to get better.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: We need it to get it better, but it also
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: has to help, you know, the back end's got to help.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: The second level of the defense has to help with
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: some of those things. You know, when you get the
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: ball thrown over your head, then it doesn't help the rush.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
• 25:39
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• 25:44
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• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I want to talk to you a little bit about
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the pass rush here in a minute. But we talked
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: a little bit about explosive plays on both sides of
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: the ball. So I'll tie this into defense a little
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: bit since we're talking about it. To me, the fact
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: that You have talked all year, maybe more than in
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the past, about the importance of explosive plays, how hard
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it is to win if you're not getting them offensively
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and if you're giving them up defensively. As you talked
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: about that in the first segment today, I thought, well, boy,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the Jaguars are 4-2 with two close losses to what
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I think are still really good teams. I know the Texans'
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: record is not showing, but they're a tough team to
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: beat in the Broncos. The fact that they're 4-2 not
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: getting those things, which they haven't had explosives on either.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Does that not bode well? Because you feel like those
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: are going to come the way they're playing, right?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do feel like.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: That's going to come offensively, that the explosives will eventually come.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: And some of that comes from being able to wear
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: people down, establish the run. Now you can dictate the
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: turns because you have single high coverage. Some of that
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: is Liam understanding who he has available, knowing his personnel,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: and here are the things I can do to create
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: big play opportunities in terms of scripting winners. But it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: interesting that you brought up the two losses because in
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: the two losses, we have given up more explosive plays
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: than those other games. The Denver game in particular, Jalen Waddell,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I want to say had three or four explosives by himself.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: You go back and you look at the Houston Texans game.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The game-changing play was.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: The 51-yard post right before the half where Jalen Noel
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: runs past Jarrion Jones and there appears to be a
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: a communication mix-up. You think about another catch-and-run that Noel had,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Nico Collins having a 42-yard pass over the top of
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: Tee Higgins. To me, it's not only generating the explosive plays,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: but it's not allowing them. And you're hearing Liam's voice
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: in that clip. Hey, man, we can't let the ball
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: get thrown over our head. So even if we don't
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: generate the explosives on offense, the number one objective has
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: to be on defense, not give up the big plays.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Because we've shown with our defense... In the red zone,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: you give us opportunities. We find ways to make plays.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: What we can't do is let people run past us
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: and have them throw it over the top of the
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: defense for touchdowns and big plays.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Realistically, you're going to give up a handful of them,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: but the reason they've had so many is that focus, communication,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: quick mental breakdowns, all of which I completely understand because
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: it's hard to be great for 60 minutes. and 60
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: times 60 seconds, all the time, whatever. So how do
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: you improve it? Is it just more concentration on the issue?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: The concentration is an issue, but here's the thing.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: We heard this coming in, and I remember doing these
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: preseason telecasts with Brian Sexton, and the conversation that dominated
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: preseason was like, hey, we want to have stickier coverage.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: We want to be tighter. We want to do these
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: things to take it away. And you can relate to this,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: your time with Tony Dungy in Indianapolis, People get tired
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: and anxious when they see the ball completed in front
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: of the defense and the offense gain a little yardage,
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: but you're playing the odds that when we get into
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: the red zone, people can't sustain 10, 11, 12 play drives.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: And sometimes as a defensive coordinator, your desire to want
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: to dictate the terms and to create a negative play
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: leaves you vulnerable to giving up big plays. And it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: that fine line because Liam has talked about it. It's
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: that fine line between Going for it and being like, hey,
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: let's just sit back. Let's play zone. Let's not give
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: them anything and make them do it. I think what
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Anthony Campanile is trying to find that fine line. line
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: that works for the group of guys that he has
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: in the back end and also what he has up
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: front in terms of being able to create pressure.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Um i have here to ask you if you're not
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: getting past rush what's the solution i'm not sure it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: a great question because i feel like.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: It is a great question because that's the thing so
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: like from a philosophical standpoint in terms of what liam
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: wants to do He doesn't want to give the big
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: plays up, right? So you want to rush four. You
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: want to keep seven. You want to have an umbrella
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: zone that forces them to throw checkdowns. You rally and tackle.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Something bad happens. A tipped ball, a negative play, a sack,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: a penalty that throws them out of chains, and you
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: get off the field. Well, if you're not able to
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: generate pressure with four, and the quarterback has all day
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: to throw, well, now it becomes harder to sit patiently
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: in that zone and watch the team drive the ball
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: down the field. So Anthony Kempnely's had to What am
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I going to do? I can't keep letting the quarterback
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: get into a rhythm and do those things. And it's
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: making those decisions to selectively pressure, to bring blitzes, but
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: can we hold up in coverage? It all works together. Pass, rush,
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: cover works together. So some days the rush is not
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: there and the coverage is fine. Some days the rush
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: is there, but the coverage hasn't been good enough. We
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: got to get everyone playing on the same page where
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: the coverage and rush are both playing well at the
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: same time.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: So we can dictate the terms that we want to
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: dictate on defense.
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• 31:22
  Speaker 3: we talk about, they're two and a half games in
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: first place, which makes this game feels like sort of
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: a chance to get what you wanted to get done
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: in London accomplished, right? You know, you felt like you
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: could have left that with a three-game lead or dominance.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: You sort of get that second. It's not the same
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: as beating the Texans. I get that. But it lines up, right? A,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: how important is that? It's a rare opportunity to really
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: take control of the division in early November.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that you play for.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: Liam tries to really stay away from outcomes. But the
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: one thing that we know that if you win the division,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: you're guaranteed a ticket to the tournament. So the easiest
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: way to get to the playoffs is to win the division.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: And those things are right there for you. And you
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: have an opportunity to really create a lot of separation
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: right now by knocking off the Colts. The Titans did
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: us a favor last week. The New York Giants go
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: on the road. They knock them off. So we get
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: back the game in a sense that we gave away
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: in London. Well, now you want to continue to take
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: advantage of that opportunity by winning this week, continuing to
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: have that separation on the Colts and the Texans, and
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: we have to deal with the Titans later. But, yes,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: you're right where you want to be, but we have
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: to play better. We've got to make sure that we
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: take advantage of the things that we can control.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: We didn't get to this when we were talking about
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: the offense earlier. There's just an obsession right now, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I understand it because he was in the Pro Bowl
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: two years ago, but there is an obsession now with
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: people who follow this team about Brian Thomas Jr. And look,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I'll preface this by saying I really like BTJ. I
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: hope that he comes out of this funk, whatever you
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: call it, and has a Pro Bowl career. But at
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: the same time, doesn't it feel like that would be
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: an added benefit, right? They can live, and they have
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: proven over the last year and a half, that they
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: can be a completely functional offense. win games, score a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: lot of points, they're fine if he doesn't. I mean,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: they're built to be able to withstand one player in
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the system not having great outcomes or being in a slump. Again,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I think I'm not trying to dismiss his importance or
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: him as a player, but it's not the crisis that
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I think some people think it is.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not a crisis because in Jacksonville, they operate
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: a little differently. In some situations, Brian Thomas Jr. will
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: continue to get all the opportunities, all the balls we
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: hit in his direction, regardless of whether he's producing and
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: performing or not. Liam is boldly taking a stand at
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: not like the best players are going to play.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: And if you're playing well, you're going to get more opportunities.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: If you're not, you're going to fall down the depth
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: chart and others will take advantage of those opportunities.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Jr. has been inconsistent.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: And the inconsistencies has really reared its ugly head at
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: inopportune moments.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And so we've seen a changing of.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: The pecking order where whatever you can say, Parker Washington
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: is one, Jacoby Myers, Britton Strange, they're two and three respectively.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And now you have, look, Josh.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Cameron coming on, being able to show that he can
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: do things. Travis Hunter has a great week in London.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: So now does that change where maybe some of the
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: explosive plays that we had earmarked for Brian Thomas Jr.,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: maybe those plays shift to Travis Hunter. You want BTJ
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: to be the player that we saw him be as
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: a rookie. But he has to do that. He has
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: to show that when he gets his opportunities. And no
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: one can continue to give him chances if he falters
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: with those chances. No one is asking him to be perfect,
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: but it's a production-based business. And he has to perform
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: and he has to produce to continue to get those opportunities.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: So that's on number seven. That's not necessarily on Liam
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Cohen to get him going. He has to get himself
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: going and make the most of whatever happens when the ball.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Comes his way.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Bucky, I thought during training camp that what we would
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: see out of Travis Hunter offensively was very much a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: peppered in over the course of the season every now
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: and then being a wrinkle. It feels like, unsurprisingly, I
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: was very wrong about that. It feels like he's going
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: to be a part of the dynamic. If he's more
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: than peppering it in, How does this change the offense
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: and how does it look? I mean, can he be
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: a cog in the wheel in the same sense as Parker?
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm getting at? Can he be more
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: than sort of a peppering in guy?
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: So what was interesting, like up into the London game,
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: I was like, man, this offense is fine with or
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: without him. Like if he comes in every now and then,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: runs a reverse, gets a screen pass. But the London
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: game was the first time that I felt like there
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: was an intentional plan to get him the ball in
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: different spots. It felt like he was really being utilized
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: as an offensive specialist. They put him in the backfield.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: They motioned him. They guided to him in various ways.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: And the other thing, and you know this, John, you've
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: been around a lot of coaches. Coaches like when guys
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: make plays.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: He made enough plays that he's going to start getting
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: more plays. No matter what we say about him.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: You see Liam driving home like wanting to get on
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: the PowerPoint and drop a play.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: You kind of like it when you throw it out
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: to the number 12 and he makes five guys miss
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: and a short pass becomes a big gain.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: And even though, as a coaching staff.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: You're trying to be like, hey, we don't want to
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: give him too much, there's something to watching a guy
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: make plays on tape. I think he carves out a
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: bigger role, much like Parker started slowly and the more
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: he made plays, the bigger his role got, the bigger
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: his column on the play sheet got. I think the
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: same thing is available for Travis Hunter. His production... will
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: lead them to use him more because you can't deny it.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: You just can't deny that he is an explosive player,
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: and when he has the ball in his hands, he's
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: different than some of the other guys that we've.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Seen with the ball.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: I want to go inside football a little bit, maybe
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: level 400 rather than 100, which I usually play at
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: level 100. What kind of strain? I understand what kind
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: of strain that a Brian Thomas Jr. with speed or
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: a player I cover, Jimmy Smith, Marvin Harrison, I know
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: what kind of strain they put on a defense. And
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I think I know what coordinators have to worry about
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: and how that helps other players in the offense. Those
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: are sort of conventional strains. Travis is not conventional, but
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I've got to think that he puts a strain on coordinators.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: They worry about it. What kind of strain does that
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: put on? And how can that help Liam in terms of, okay,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I know they got to pay attention to this guy.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: How can that help the offense overall moving forward?
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: It just puts another playmaker in the mix. And it
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: puts him in the mix in a unique situation. I
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: think putting him at running back on that F angle
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: where he scored a touchdown, that was something that we
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: really hadn't seen because now you're creating a mismatch on
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: an explosive athlete on a linebacker.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Look, that's advantage Jaguars.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Then seeing him move around, because they not only did that,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: they put him in motion and they ran a switch
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: release where he came down near the goal line and
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: caught a dig route. You saw him do some other
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: things where they're intentional in terms of how they're trying
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: to either create or exploit a mismatch. Well, if Travis
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Hunter is that guy, now it becomes problematic.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: The one thing that I worried about being our kryptonite
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: is Travis If a defense decided they wanted to play
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: man coverage against the Jags, are we good enough on
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: the outside to win consistently?
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I see.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Well, now if you put number 12 in various locations
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: where you can say, oh, he's better than your safety
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: or better than your linebacker, whatever, maybe he's that. outlet
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: for when teams do that. And you're doing it from
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: an unorthodox location. I just think what he flashed to
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: have two weeks to look at that on tape and
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: then be like, well, maybe. Because being on the sideline,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I literally said, and I said this on the broadcast,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: it was like being at Raines High School. when you
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: got the best player, a five-star athlete that, Oh, he
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: picked off a pass. He comes and gets some water.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: They kick it off.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: And there he goes. He runs on the field to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: play offense. Travis Hunter was doing that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: And whether I thought he could do it full time,
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: I was skeptical, but now I'm all in on maybe
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: not making him a full-time player, but certainly he has
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: to have significant opportunities on offense.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: If he can deliver like he delivered a couple of
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: weeks ago. Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Bucky, I'll be honest. I, I covered a lot of
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: high school football back in my day at the Times Union.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: I covered a lot of Reigns, and they had great players.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I covered Brian Dawkins. I covered Derek Alexander, who was
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: a first-round pick. I covered a lot of good players.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I don't think I ever saw any of them get
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: a touchdown, interception, back-to-back series in high school. And they
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: were good players. So what we're seeing is very unique.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Final thought, Bucky. Just general thought on the Colts. How
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: do you see this game looking before we get out
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: of here?
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: It's going to be much tougher than we ever can imagine.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: I think you have to go on thinking that this
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: game is going to be a fourth quarter affair. It's
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: really important early. Jonathan Taylor cannot be a factor. I
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: think about that last December game, there was a bit
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: of a slug. Eliminate him early. Make this a Daniel
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Jones game. Now, that last game, he popped his Achilles,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: so we didn't get a chance to see him. But
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: this has to be a game where we put the
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: onus on Daniel Jones to make plays.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And it's the same formula that's worked successfully for the Jags.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Stop the run and make this a throwing game when
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: everyone in the stadium knows that you have to throw.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: And at some point, we didn't talk enough about it,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Trayvon Walker, Josh Hines-Allen, they have to level up. You
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: can't have three and a half sacks between them. And
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: I know the Jaguars have 91 pressures, which are great.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: But at some point, you got to turn those pressures
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: into sacks because they lead to negative plays. And those
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: long yardage situations are when the turnover should come.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: From a defense that is really terrific at taking the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: ball away.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels a little bit like a normal late-season
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: game to me, meaning I think the Colts are dangerous.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Usually dangerous teams that have been through a lot, if
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: you can get up 10, then they start talking about
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the outside noise, whether they're saying it or not.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: They start believing it. They couldn't really do it against Philly.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: They never really got that lead against Philly to make
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: them think that what people were saying was real. So
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I always think, as you said, the early lead, if
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: you can get up, get a turnover, something going against them,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: you can sort of put the foot on the throat.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: So it's that kind of game to me.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, their confidence is quarter by quarter. So the longer
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: you allow them to stay in, the longer they'll stay in.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: But if you jump on them in the first quarter,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: by the middle of the second quarter, they'll give it up.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: We saw that early. And I'll say this, this team
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: has turned out to be better than we thought, the
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: Cleveland Browns. Early in the game, we saw them have
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: a turnover, this and that, and they were like, ah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: we don't want to play through that.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Same thing is true for the Colts. Don't give them
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: a reason to want to play four, four quarters. So
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: you have to jump on them early. And we have
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: seen normally with Liam, when we come out of by,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: we have some extended time off. We kind of come
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: shot out of a cannon, jumping on the opponent. I
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: would expect us to do the same on Sunday.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I think this team will play well. That doesn't always
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: mean winning, but I think they'll play well for Bucky Brooks,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: for Brent Reber, for Joe Fortunato. I'll say Bucky's name
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: twice because his name's on the show. This is Huddle
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Up with Bucky Brooks. I'm John Ogier. Thanks, Buck.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: All right.