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The Late Debate | 25 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Well, the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. James MacPerson
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  Speaker 2: with Denika to Georgio and Caleb Bond. And before we
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  Speaker 2: get into the show, I got to say Paul Murray
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  Speaker 2: was looking.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wasn't he ever had? I've never seen Paul looking
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  Speaker 3: better to be. He's looking svelt, he's looking good. He
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  Speaker 3: got a good jacket on. Paul really put the works
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  Speaker 3: in tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he always looks good, fair, but tonight, particularly Danika.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's it. I mean, you know he says that
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  Speaker 4: we never compliment him on what he wears.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, look, you know it's we're all just giving each
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  Speaker 3: other a bit of love to particularly like you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's got this sort of red velvet kind of jacket
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  Speaker 3: he's seen when he wears. That's I want that one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I got to go and talk to our wardrobe lady
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  Speaker 3: Nadia and see if I can get myself a red
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  Speaker 3: velvet jacket to wear on here. What do you reckon?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 3: What's your problem with that?
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think I'd start looking a bit? Hugh
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  Speaker 3: Hefner last.
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  Speaker 5: Night you looked a bit watching Next Game.
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  Speaker 1: I missed that reference.
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  Speaker 5: Watching Okay, So Caleb's basically, let me just put it
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  Speaker 5: for you in a nutshell. Caleb's dream is to be
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  Speaker 5: Hugh Hefner and it's not just for the clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into the show.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be a magazine propriety.
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  Speaker 1: Here is what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation MP David Farley was widely criticized after appearing
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  Speaker 2: to endorse Labour's immigration targets at the weekend, but Farley
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  Speaker 2: claimed today he's not trying to undermine one nation, He's
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  Speaker 2: trying to.
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  Speaker 1: Make one nation competent.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of One Nation, activist group Get Up planned to
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  Speaker 2: spend six hundred thousand dollars fighting Pauline Hanson's party in
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  Speaker 2: the lead up to the Victorian election. The grip that
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  Speaker 2: hijacked her press club speech claimed She's the threat to
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  Speaker 2: democracy and how far is too far when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to cosmetic tattoos. We'll get into that shortly, but first
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  Speaker 2: AI generated songs will be excluded from Australia's official music
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  Speaker 2: charts as of this Friday. The new rules set down
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  Speaker 2: by the recording industy follow controversy over a Queensland djy's
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  Speaker 2: cover version of a Madonna song. It reached number four
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  Speaker 2: on the charts, despite the fact the drums and vocals
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  Speaker 2: or AI have a listen.
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  Speaker 3: On Warty.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Personally I don't think much of the song, but it
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  Speaker 2: was the most played single on Australian radio last month,
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  Speaker 2: and that's rather the point. The ARIA charts are supposed
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  Speaker 2: to tell us what Australians are listening to, not what
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  Speaker 2: the music industry thinks we ought to be listening to.
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  Speaker 2: The charts don't measure talent, nor do the charts measure
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  Speaker 2: artistic merit. They certainly don't measure good taste. If they did,
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  Speaker 2: half the eighties and nineties would have been declared a
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  Speaker 2: cultural crime scene. Rick Astley would have been arrested and
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  Speaker 2: Michael Bolton would still be serving time. The music charts
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  Speaker 2: measure popularity. In aria's own words, the point of their
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  Speaker 2: music charts is to and I quote accurately show what
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  Speaker 2: music Australians are consuming.
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  Speaker 1: So if Australians are consuming.
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  Speaker 2: AI generated music, it should be on the charts, unless,
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  Speaker 2: of course, ARIA has decided it's their job not to
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  Speaker 2: tell us what people are listening to, but to protect
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  Speaker 2: us from ever finding out Danika.
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  Speaker 5: Well for somebody, by the way, who only ever listens
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  Speaker 5: to Billy Joel and Elton John. I'm quite shocked that
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  Speaker 5: you're in support of AI in the music charts. It's
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  Speaker 5: not like you know, and it's not like you would
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  Speaker 5: ever know not one AI song if it was to
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  Speaker 5: reach the music charts.
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  Speaker 4: You don't know any music, James.
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  Speaker 2: So you're going to go a personal attack on me
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  Speaker 2: rather than rest topic.
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  Speaker 5: To no, I thought I would just start off with that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just shocked that you would be in support of this.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: The ARIA charts is to tell us what people are
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  Speaker 2: listening to it's AI, then tell.
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  Speaker 5: Us no, But that to me is completely cheating the system.
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  Speaker 5: I have a big, big problem with this. The Australian
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  Speaker 5: music scene is very, very difficult to crack into already.
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  Speaker 5: There are so many local artists who would love to
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  Speaker 5: even get into the top one hundred in the ARIA charts,
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  Speaker 5: but it is very difficult. It is an Australian artists
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  Speaker 5: have always struggle, not just domestically but also internationally, so
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  Speaker 5: when they are able to achieve a level of success
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  Speaker 5: and crack into the top ten twenty thirty, that is
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  Speaker 5: absolutely fantastic and we should be praising them and supporting
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  Speaker 5: their music.
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  Speaker 4: Not supporting a robot that's made off of.
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  Speaker 5: A backing track and a couple of fake percussion instruments.
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  Speaker 2: So to help Australian artists get into the charts, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to change the rules by which the charts are governed.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds a little like No.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying that that AI shouldn't be there full stop.
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  Speaker 5: It should be about genuine talent and people who have
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  Speaker 5: singers and songwriters. It needs to be based on merit,
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  Speaker 5: not on a robot.
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  Speaker 3: It should well, I think the point of the ARIA
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  Speaker 3: chats is to recognize genuine art. Now, I suppose we
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  Speaker 3: can get into a philosophical discussion about whether something generated
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  Speaker 3: by a computer counts as art. I would suspect if
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  Speaker 3: you tried to put a computer generated image into the archibold,
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  Speaker 3: they tell you were not welcome. And so I can
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  Speaker 3: wholly understand why people in the music industry would think
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  Speaker 3: similarly about music created by a computer, because the art
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  Speaker 3: is meant to convey emotion and beauty and a whole
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  Speaker 3: lot of other things that it can convey anger many
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  Speaker 3: different things that art is meant to make you feel,
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  Speaker 3: and part of the process of all of that is
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  Speaker 3: its creation, and if art is divorced from the human
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  Speaker 3: if it is not created by people, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you can have songs that perhaps have a computer generated backing,
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  Speaker 3: but the vocals are written and then sung by a person.
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  Speaker 3: And they've allowed for this stuff in the new rules
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  Speaker 3: that if it has been a fundamentally human made song
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  Speaker 3: and there is genuine human input into it, that there
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  Speaker 3: can be elements of AI used in a song. But
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  Speaker 3: you can't just bug some song up on AI and
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  Speaker 3: then put it out because you can do that in
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  Speaker 3: two minutes flat, and then you know, bug it out
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  Speaker 3: there and say all right, and if the radio stations
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  Speaker 3: to to play it, well, then why wouldn't you just
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  Speaker 3: be doing that all day every day? Now? The ARIA chats,
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  Speaker 3: of course, are run by a mob called ARIA. And
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  Speaker 3: you know what ARIA stands for.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian Recording something or other.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, correct, the Australian Recording Industry Association. If you're generating
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  Speaker 3: a song on a computer, I don't think you're recording it.
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  Speaker 3: ARIA is there to represent recording artists, people who create
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  Speaker 3: and sing music as human beings, and so therefore I
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  Speaker 3: think it is completely right to say we don't want
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  Speaker 3: this computer generated dross infecting what should be genuine, human
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  Speaker 3: made up.
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  Speaker 5: And also the other point is, and just to your point,
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  Speaker 5: music is meant to take you on a journey. Music
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  Speaker 5: is meant to make you feel something. It takes you
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  Speaker 5: to a time in your life. You know what it's
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  Speaker 5: like when you're listening to a song and you get nostalgic.
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  Speaker 5: It takes you on a journey. I don't think a
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  Speaker 5: robot can take you on that level of journey of
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  Speaker 5: journey to be honest, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So take boy George's recent release We Will Dance Again,
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  Speaker 2: that's his in honor of the Jews who are affected
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  Speaker 2: on October seven by boy George's own admission, that was mostly.
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  Speaker 1: AI generated, but it was his voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, But most of the music was all AI generated,
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  Speaker 2: So is that Okay.
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  Speaker 4: That's not the problem.
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  Speaker 5: But the actual voice is his voice, and that's what
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  Speaker 5: you're listening for. So I don't have a problem with
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  Speaker 5: the backing, but I do have an issue if it
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  Speaker 5: is the entire song, including the person that's meant to
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  Speaker 5: be the artist, is actually a robot.
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  Speaker 2: It's just going to change the nature of the Top
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  Speaker 2: ten for instance.
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  Speaker 5: So of course it is look in the end, I'm
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  Speaker 5: all for AI. You know that I've advocated for it,
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  Speaker 5: and we do have to realize that there are industries
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  Speaker 5: that are going to rely on AI, and yes, the
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  Speaker 5: music industry will be impacted. But I'm not listening to
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  Speaker 5: a song for it to be a robot. I am
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  Speaker 5: listening to a song because, yes, it is boy George's voice,
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  Speaker 5: it is his vocals, it is his words that he
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  Speaker 5: has written.
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  Speaker 2: But when you listen to the top ten songs in
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  Speaker 2: the country, it might end up that they're actually the
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  Speaker 2: top fifty song, that they're fifty to sixty because the
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  Speaker 2: first fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Songs are all AI. But we're not told that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, well, let me put it this way. Let me
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  Speaker 5: put it this way. Do you like, say, John Farnhum.
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  Speaker 1: The voice never heard of it?
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  Speaker 4: Right? What are your favorite Okay and Ossi and Ossie classic?
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  Speaker 4: You love the song?
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Would your view change of it if it was all
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  Speaker 5: AI and it wasn't John Farnham singing it was sung.
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  Speaker 4: By a robot?
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  Speaker 1: Probably?
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  Speaker 4: But rass my case, that's not the point. It is
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  Speaker 4: the point.
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  Speaker 5: It is the point that that is exactly the point.
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  Speaker 5: It loses all meaning when the song is okay.
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  Speaker 2: So your point would be valid if it wasn't for
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  Speaker 2: the fact that that track we played earlier, which has
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  Speaker 2: a robot voice, had been the most played song on
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  Speaker 2: the radio in this country last month. So clearly a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people don't think like you or I, they
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  Speaker 2: quite enjoyed.
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  Speaker 5: How many people would know that that's AI. How many people
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  Speaker 5: would know that that song is generated by AI? And
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  Speaker 5: that is the scariest part.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's I think that there needs to be a
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  Speaker 2: way of letting people know whether it's AI or what.
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  Speaker 4: Do they announce that this is an AI?
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  Speaker 3: That well, in fact, I think they should. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it may well suit music programmers at radio
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  Speaker 3: stations to start playing AI generated music, but I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a really sad place to end up in and
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  Speaker 3: I would hate to think that that becomes the majority
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  Speaker 3: of what is commercially supported and played. And so I
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  Speaker 3: think anything that can be done to try and discourage
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  Speaker 3: that is a good thing. And if discouraging it in
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  Speaker 3: the charts can be done, I think that is a
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  Speaker 3: good thing because in general it will discourage people from
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  Speaker 3: creating that AI music. Because of course there is a
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  Speaker 3: blokeoo fees this into a machine, and I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: his name in this case, but he's the one who
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  Speaker 3: sort of gets the credit for the music. Now, all
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  Speaker 3: he's really done is said to a computer, go and
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  Speaker 3: bang out this song for me, right, and then all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden he's making money out of it. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think being in the charts kind of legitimizes
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  Speaker 3: what I would call fake art, and so not being
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  Speaker 3: in the charts kind of takes some of that away.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, you won't be going along to see
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  Speaker 3: a concert with some clanker up there, you know, belting
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  Speaker 3: out a song, will you, because of course they can't
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  Speaker 3: actually belt out a song. It's not real. Let's just
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  Speaker 3: have real music, please. Speaking of real habit, get real.
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  Speaker 3: Get Up perhaps needs to get real because you know,
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  Speaker 3: this mob they were quite big a decade ago, right
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  Speaker 3: They were out there campaigning absolutely everywhere. Left wing lobby group,
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  Speaker 3: of course, and there was then a sort of right
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  Speaker 3: wing version of that set up called Advance, and somewhere
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  Speaker 3: after that Get Up kind of disappeared off the radar
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  Speaker 3: for a while. It was almost like we forgot they existed.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't campaigning. I don't know whether they were raising
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  Speaker 3: any money or not, but they just kind of disappeared
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  Speaker 3: into the ether. But we know they've been trying to
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  Speaker 3: make a comeback. Of course, we saw that little effort
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  Speaker 3: that they had recently when paul and Hansen went to
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  Speaker 3: the National Press Club and they unfurled that big banner
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  Speaker 3: behind Pauline Hanson. I think we have that vision there
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  Speaker 3: for you to see now. And I remember us at
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  Speaker 3: the time saying, oh, you know, really, is that the
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  Speaker 3: best they can possibly do? Well? Apparently didn't do too
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  Speaker 3: badly for them. They reckon. They've raised a million dollars
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  Speaker 3: in both June and July, so two million dollars over
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  Speaker 3: the last two months. They reckon, they've pocketed, and so
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  Speaker 3: they want to go and spend a bit of that money.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they've taken an inspiration from the effort they
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  Speaker 3: put into Parah.
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  Speaker 6: For instance, One Nation's MPs repeatedly voted to let the
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  Speaker 6: biggest corporations pay less tags, and they've announced their planning
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  Speaker 6: more cards. What will voting one nation cost you?
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  Speaker 3: And that worked really well because of course the people
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  Speaker 3: of Parah voted for one Nation and elected David Farley,
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  Speaker 3: who will talk a little more about a little later,
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  Speaker 3: but Now that they've raised this alleged two million dollars
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  Speaker 3: over the last two months, they've decided they want to
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  Speaker 3: go and spend six hundred grand but on the Victorian
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  Speaker 3: stay election, and they're going to go specifically after a
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  Speaker 3: number of seats in Melbourne's southeast. These are labor seats
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  Speaker 3: that One Nation is planning to target Frankston, Cranburn, Carum,
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  Speaker 3: Narry Warren North and Narry Warren South six hundred grand,
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  Speaker 3: so at one hundred grand in each of those electorates
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  Speaker 3: they are planning to spend because I guess they think
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  Speaker 3: they can have some level of influence. They say that
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  Speaker 3: one nation is a threat to democracy. Okay, I thought
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  Speaker 3: the way democratic system worked was that we all got
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  Speaker 3: to have our say and you can go on campaign,
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  Speaker 3: But so can one nation. I'm not sure how democratic
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  Speaker 3: party sort of getting involved in a democratic election is
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  Speaker 3: in any way undemocratic, but I'll leave that to them.
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  Speaker 3: But it's interesting to see one nation trying to get
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  Speaker 3: back on the scene now and having enjoyed such wild
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  Speaker 3: success in Farah as they did, now they reckon they
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  Speaker 3: can go and turn the needle down in Victoria. Something
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  Speaker 3: tells me they're not going to go too far.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Get Up have paid One Nation a great compliment here,
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  Speaker 2: haven't they spending six hundred thousand dollars specifically to fight
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  Speaker 2: one nation rather than to fight the liberals who get
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  Speaker 2: Up have traditionally targeted Get Up call One Nation a
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  Speaker 2: far right party. And if you want to understand where
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  Speaker 2: get Up are coming from, then they compare Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 2: to Donald Trump and Nigel Farage. I don't think Pauling
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  Speaker 2: Hanson would be particularly offended by that. Trump certainly has
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  Speaker 2: done pretty well, and Nigel Farrage is tracking okay. Get
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  Speaker 2: Up also make the point that it doesn't profit anyone
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  Speaker 2: to accuse One Nation supporters of being racist. Get Up
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  Speaker 2: say they're not racist, they're just frustrated. Well, if people
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  Speaker 2: are frustrated and turning to one Nation, why would get
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  Speaker 2: Up be trying to change their minds?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's actually a really good point. It's a really
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  Speaker 5: good question to ask. Look, good luck to get Up.
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  Speaker 5: All the very best to them. If that's what they
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  Speaker 5: want to do, it is their prerogative to blow six
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  Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars, though I would caution them remember how
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  Speaker 5: they spectacularly failed last time. They spent six hundred thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 5: of course on Farah, so that was a failure.
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  Speaker 4: Then they tried.
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  Speaker 5: Their little stunt at the National Press Club. Well that
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  Speaker 5: backfired because one nation is actually going up in the polls.
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  Speaker 4: So well done, to get up.
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  Speaker 5: You're actually giving one nation a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 5: of publicity right now, and you know, you're also actually
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  Speaker 5: helping labor labor. And at the same time, what I
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  Speaker 5: would say to get up is I think they need
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  Speaker 5: to start looking in their own backyard and maybe paying
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: a little bit of attention to their own finances, because
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  Speaker 5: I was having a look at some of the research.
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  Speaker 5: Their revenue has absolutely collapsed, so they recorded a deficit
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  Speaker 5: last year of six hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars
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  Speaker 5: last financial year, and they also finished June twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: five with just one hundred and four thousand dollars in cash.
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  Speaker 5: They've also had to cut staff, so there were about
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  Speaker 5: seventy plus employees in twenty twenty two and now about
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  Speaker 5: a dozen lefts. So the money's not flowing in, the
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  Speaker 5: donations are down, and yeah, they're going to go and
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  Speaker 5: blow six hundred thousand dollars. So a terrific financial system
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  Speaker 5: that they've got operating.
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  Speaker 4: Great set of books, so please do keep it up.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing I found interesting is that get Up
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  Speaker 2: accuse one nation of being a threat to quote the
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  Speaker 2: values we hold deer. So then they talk about what
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  Speaker 2: they will be campaigning on, and they're going to campaign
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  Speaker 2: on things like wages and healthcare. So on the one hand,
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  Speaker 2: they say one nation are a threat to our values.
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  Speaker 2: On the other hand, they're not going to talk to
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  Speaker 2: voters about any of those values that they're concerned about.
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  Speaker 2: They're just going to talk about purely economic issues.
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  Speaker 3: But also they're dealing with the state election here. Now,
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  Speaker 3: health care, you could argue is definitely state issue because
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  Speaker 3: the states around the hospitals, et cetera. But what do
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  Speaker 3: the states have to do with the wages? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, of course, there are certain decisions that states
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: might make that could affect inflation, et cetera. I mean,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: states levy payroll tax. But in the general discussion about
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  Speaker 3: ir laws, you're talking about the figeral government, not the
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  Speaker 3: state government. So what sort of state campaign are they
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  Speaker 3: going to run on wages that they think will count
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  Speaker 3: against one nation? What a one nation government in Victoria
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: is going to change your awards. Well, they can't do that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: So what's the campaign? I don't get it.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: No, what sort of a system are they operating? Seriously fascinating. Look,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: let's stay on Farah. Let's talk about David Farley. One
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Nation's David Farley, who, in the nicest way possible, I
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: really think that it's time for him to keep his
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: mouth shut because it's just becoming an absolute train wreck
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: and a real fawn in Pauline Hanson's side. Now, last
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: night we spoke about how he bungled immigration figures.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: So the net overseas.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Migration target that One Nation had set of about one
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: hundred and thirty thousand, he went on the ABC and
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: fumbled it.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: You're saying it needs to be one hundred and thirty
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: thousand non plus about one hundred thousand.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: More at a minimum.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: The big difference is we're focusing on what are the
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: skills we need as a nation?
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Where do we need these migrants to be?
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: But the raw number, the raw number is not too different. Well,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the raw number is not too different.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: So he basically gave a free kick to the Labor
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Party and Anthony Aberaneze.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: He had a field Day with it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: At his press conference yesterday, but today, David Farley was
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: pressed twice whether he would remain loyal to Senator Hansen
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: and can test the next election for one Nation, and
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: in his answer he said, quote, my job is to
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: return productivity and capacity to Farah and assist Pauline Hansen
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: to build a strong and competent political party to govern
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Australia when Australia is ready, and bear in mind he
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: was pushed on his answer about his loyalty to Senator
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Hanson and in turn said, well, I'm here to build
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: a strong and.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Competent political party.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: Look, I just think that David Farley needs some time
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: out from his media interview, is right now? Just stop
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: because the correct answer would have just been a simple yes, absolutely,
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: I am loyal to Pauline Hanson and then it would
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: have ended at that. Instead he had to be pushed
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: to answer the question and then he spoke about building
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: a strong and competent political party.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: It's not really going down.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I was watching him tonight on.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Chris Kenny's documentary Fight for the Right and when he's
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: speaking to his constituents and you could see it in
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: that documentary he's very good because he's very good at
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: coming down to a human level and talking about the
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: problems in the electorate and what they want to hear.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: So I think at that level he's absolutely fantastic. Give
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: him a microphone and maybe he needs a little bit
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: more training, because I think it's an embarrassment right now
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: to one nation.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: One nation are currently advertising for a press secretary to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: help them, and I think they need to fill that
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: position as soon as possible, because, for instance, on Sunday night,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I was talking to James ashe be about that train
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: wreck Insiders interview, and he said that having confronted, not confronted,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: having spoken to David Farley about his performance on Insiders,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: he found out that David Farley had booked himself on
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: four Corners, and so James Ashby said, I quickly not
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: that on the head. But these things wouldn't be happening,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I presume if they had someone who was managing their
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: media affairs.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: So the sooner they.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Get that position sorted out, the better for David Farley
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to say I'm here to help one nation become a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: competent government. The implication, whether he meant it or not,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: is that they're currently not competent, but he's helping to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: move them to competent.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: It's just it's.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Sloppy and I'm sure he doesn't mean it, but it
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: all comes out wrong. By his own admission, he's new
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: to politics. I think he needs somebody standing beside him,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: just guiding and shepherding him along so he doesn't keep
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: making these mistakes. And the immigration mistake is not the first.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: He was asked eighteen C on Insiders, Pauline Hanson is
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: seeking to have eighteen C at least changed, altered, perhaps
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: eliminated by the High Court. David Farley said he doesn't
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: need see any reason to change eighteen C. That wasn't
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: particularly helpful. And if you go back further, you remember
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson says under one nation, there will only be
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: one flag in all government offices, to which David Farley replied,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: he'll still be flying the Aboriginal flag and the Torres
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Strait Islander flag. And then after Pauline Hanson spoke to him,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: he said, well, I don't have any flags flying in
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: my office except the state of origin flag. So at
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: every point he seems to stick his foot in it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: And he parted with the Greens and Teals.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Well, yes, I'll come to that. I think there are
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: three problems. One is that Farley in this case is
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: trying to be too clever by half, and in doing
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: so he's not being clever at all. He's trying to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: give a political answer to the question of you know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: will you remain loyal to one nation? And Pauline Hanson
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: want to give the straight yes, you know. He wants
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: to sort of you know, it's not a question really
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: worth me giving an answer to, so I'll give you
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the answer I want to give, which is something else.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: And he makes this stuff about you know, competent government,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: et cetera. Which I don't think there is anything particularly
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: wrong with the comments, but as you say, you could
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: interpret that as he is saying they're incompetence and I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: want to make them competent. You could interpret it as
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: he's saying, I want to be part of the competency
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: of a one nation government, like it just creates gray
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: areas that don't need to exist. He could simply say yes, unless,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: of course, he's leaving the wiggle room that at some
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: point in the future if he does leave, they're not
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: going to play this clip ad nauseum on television saying, well,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: you said that you wouldn't leave one nation as well,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I never actually said that, right, So he leaves the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: door open, which you come to. Problem two is that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: he walked into a Liberal Party meeting this week and
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: made a joke about, well, you know, maybe I'd be
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: at home in here. As you say, he walked into
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the chamber and voted on the wrong side and then
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: said obily misunderstood what was actually going on. The guy
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't seem to have a great handle on the mechanics
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of politics yet. Now look, that may change in future,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: but it ain't working for him at the moment, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I think he needs to reflect on that and the
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: party needs to reflect on that. But the third problem
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: is what does all of this mean for him in
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: one nation, which is as a party. Does one nation
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: operate in the same way that say, the Liberal Party does,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: where a backbencher has the ability to kind of freelance
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: a bit and do the media that they want to do,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: and say what they want to say, and break from
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: party policy at times if they want to do. You
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: have that kind of freedom in one nation, and perhaps
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: they haven't entirely as a party worked out that structure
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: yet and how that works, because if they've decided you
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: can't freelance, that message doesn't seem to have got through
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to David Fahlei yet, so they need to work that out.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: But also the other problem they have is that their
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: policy platform is very broad and doesn't exist largely in defined,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: you know, down to the MINUTII policies, their general ideas.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: You know, we want to do something about migration, we
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: want to do something about cost of living, et cetera.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: And I think you saw some of that in Chris
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Kenny Stocko this Evening, where you know, one nation in
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: piece could identify the things they care about, but they
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: couldn't necessarily identify what they would do about them. And
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: so it becomes very easy then for David Farley to
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: say one thing and Paul Enhanson to say another thing,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and Barnaby Joys to say another thing, because there's no
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: clear definition. So I think there's a multitude of problems
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: here that you know, that the party really has to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: sort out if they don't want to keep ending up
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: with with situations.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Your point's very good about a lack of definition, but
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that's where David Farley needs to be a little less
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: enamored with the sound of his own voice and rather
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: than just talk. And the more you talk, the more
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you get self into trouble. Right, So there's nothing wrong
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: with saying, look, we're still working.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Out the details. That's fine.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: We're eighteen months out from another election or whatever it is,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: so there's nothing wrong with that answer. I just think
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: David Farley knows that he's intelligent, because I think he is,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and he likes demonstrating it, and he finds himself in trouble.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the media should do, though, The
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: next time they get Pauline Hanson and David Farley in the.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Same room, look her in the.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Can you look Pauline Hanson in the eye and tell
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: her that you'll always be loyal to her. David Farley
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: can talk about how he's boasted to his daughters that
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: he's going to make Pauline Hanson a Prime Minister, the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: second female PM, and it'll play out beautifully.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: But it's not.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Good for Pauline Hanson to have somebody like David Farley
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: who's sort of going off on this freelancing will right now.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Because she's flying high, she's doing really well. She's building
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: that brand and clearly they are hiring people. You said
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: they're hiring a press secretary. More money is coming into
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: the party. They're gaining momentum, not even just at Australia. Worldwide,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: people do know who ball enhands. It is so to
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: have somebody like David Farley's kind of just stringing along
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: and needs a lot of help, it's not a good look.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: The other thing you said calib about you know, in
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party you can have backbenches freelance, but they've
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: got a multitude of backbenches when you've only got two
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Lower House representatives. To have even one freelancing is half
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the party, and so it's a little bit different. I'll
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: tell you what, David Farley is not the only person
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: not looking that good. Former Big Brother contestant till He
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Wentfield isn't looking.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That great either.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Her problem a lot of people wouldn't think this is
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: a problem, but she felt it was.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: A problem that she didn't have freckles.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say she'd been freelancing on one nation policy.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Well, we who know she might be announced as a
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: one nation Canada in the future, but not until she
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: cleans up her face because her bid to get freckles,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: she decided to do it herself.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That was her first mistake. Her second mistake was.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Getting advice from TikTok, where she was advised to grab
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: some needles, grab some ink and create her own freckles
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: at home. As you can imagine, it didn't go so well.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: This is to anyone thinking of getting freckles tatooed on
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: their face.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Don't she looks a lot better there than some of
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: these images. I've got to warn you these are pretty gross,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: but that's the damage she did to her face by
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: do it yourself freckles. However, talk about turning lemons into lemonade.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: You know what she's decided to do.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: In the wake of all this, she started her own
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: line of do it yourself freckle tattoos. I'm not s
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: great advancement for buying her product, but there you go.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Mckindle.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Research says that one in five Australians now has tattoos.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: For those aged thirty to forty five, it's forty two
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: percent of people have tattoos and it's pretty expensive to
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: get tattoo.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Is that cosmetic tattoos or is that general tatto it's
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: a good question.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: That's general tats. There's no data for cosmetic tattoos. However,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the government says that that particular niche is certainly growing
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: amongst women and men.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, So this is a huge industry, and I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: you do realize how big of an industry cosmetic tattooing is.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: So I didn't know until this that you can get
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: freckles tattooed on your face.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I still don't know that you can get it after.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Well, clearly not, but it is a booming industry. Women
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: in particular get their eyebrows tattoo.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: It's called feather touch tattoos.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: That you can get your lip like a lip liner
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: done so that way when you wake up in the morning,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: you have like a little bit of color on your
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: You're looking at me like, I do not care about
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: this eyeliner tattoo. Women have eyeliner tattoo as well. It's
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: a booming I know, it is a booming business. It's
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: a booming, booming business. And look full transparency. Actually had
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: my eyebrows, my eyebrows tattooed three times, and it's called
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: yeah feather feather feather tattoo.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Do it yourself, No I didn't do it myself.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: You have to go to a professional. And that would
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: be my advice to this lady. I wouldn't be grabbing.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: The ink and a needle and doing a dealer.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I don't The eyebrows might not hurt so much.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: But are you saying, like eyeliner, eyeliner on the on
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: the air on the eye line?
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: No, what is wrong with people? Seriously? Like most people
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: want to get rid of their freckles, don't they. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with having freckles, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: historically people have like wanted to cover them up, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: now we've got people going out and wanting to have
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: them tattooed onto their faces. I mean, trends in terms
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: of fashion and makeup and all this hair, it changes
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: all the time, right, I mean you look at at
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: eyebrows in the sort of nineties early two thousand, when
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: women had those really pencil thing just but ugly if
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: you ask me, and you know, women were plucking the
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: hell out of their eyebrows and some of them never
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: been able to grow them back. We probably go and
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: get them tattooed. So if you're making a desc I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: going to go and have like permanent freckles put on
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: my face. What happens in five years time when freckles
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: have gone out of fashion and now everyone doesn't want
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: to have freckles and you're the moron who went and
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: had them put on your face? Like, what is wrong
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: with people? Why can't you know? I get people have
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: cosmetic procedure surgeries and all sorts of stuff done, But
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: but I just why are you looking in the mirror
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and going, oh, yes, what I really need to do
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: is go and buy a bloody syringeer a needle or
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: whatever and some ink and try and stab some.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Well, you're right, trends do come and go, and freckles
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: have bizarrely made a resurgence suddenly and people are now
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: buying freckle pens. Don't think that they're like little pens
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: with about five prongs on them and you just dab
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: them on your face like this to make it look
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: like you've got freckles.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: But why why?
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Because the fact, I guess women think that having freckles
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: makes you look cute and endearing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It's the age old thing, right.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: White people want to be darker, Dark people want to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: be lighter.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Short people want to be taller.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Taller people would like to be a little bit shorts.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Don't want them.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Those who don't have them want them, and so humanity
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: has always been Yeah, well.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: There was something recently some woman I think she was
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: on married at first, say he was on fair married
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: first at some point and she went off to Ballei
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to have like ribs removed or something to try and
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: bring in a waste or something. What the hill a
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: people doing? And this just this is just insane stuff,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Like once upon a time it was a boob job
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and maybe a facelift. Now we've got people going and
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: having their ribs ripped out, Like what is the world
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: coming to?
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I think it's the rise of social media. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: think there's a lot of insecure people out there. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: think that there's a lot of comparison, and people feel
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: like they have to look a certain way in order
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: to feel better out themselves and promote themselves on social media. Now,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm all for whatever people want to do
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: to their bodies, whatever makes them happy, but going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: extreme lengths like that or doing a diy job on
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: your face disgusting.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's become more socially acceptable too. No one says oh,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you're an idiot as it goes wrong, but typically everyone
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: just says, yeah, fine.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Well you want to talk about looking a certain way.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Target over in the US has had to apologize for
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: someone looking a certain way. Now, I'll tell us during
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: a number of parts. I'm going to begin with the
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: apology to give you an idea of what, you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: how they're so upset and so sorry whatever, and then
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I'll show you what they've apologized for. So Target has
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: issued this apology online about a Halloween costume, and they say,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: an apology from us, we pulled an offensive Halloween costume
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that should never have been part of our assortment. It
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: is no longer for sale as a company, we got
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: this wrong, and we are deeply sorry. We know this
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: is especially hurtful for our black guests, team members and parties.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: You might think, what the hell is this? At this point,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: removing the costume is an important first step, and the
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: company is looking closely at how this happened and what
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: needs to change to ensure this won't happen again. And
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: you must be thinking, you know, it was offensive to
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: black team members and people who walked into the shop.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, what were they offering blackface kits or something.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: What was going on at Target? This is apparently what
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: was so offensive. Now I don't know. It looks to
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: me like a Halloween costume. Apparently it's glow in the
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: dark if you turn the lights off, the squiggly bits
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: a glow in the dark. And it's got a sort
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: of you know, big scary Halloween sort of mouth on it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And it happened to be modeled by a black kid.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I mean that's about all I can see there, But
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: no people on the internet say, actually it's based on this, Yes,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: they reckon it is because his hands happened to be
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: in this particular position, and it's got the big mouth
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and whatever that it's based on these you know Jim
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Crow racist images. Really like that is a hell of
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: a bow to draw.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Is it? Not?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Like if you unless you had this warped idea in
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: your mind to begin with, who would have looked at
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: that costume? And the only reason, really, I think anyone's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: bothered to think of it is because it happened to
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: be modeled by a black kid. But who cares it
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: was modeled by a black kid. I mean, black kids exist, right,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: they wear Halloween costumes? Why wouldn't you get a black
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: kid to model your Halloween costumes? And then they've gone
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and try to draw this bow and saying it's crow
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: related stuff, and that target is somehow trying to put
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: out racist minstrels style costumes, I mean, for goodness sake,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: and the fact that target then caves in and says, oh,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: we've got to investigate how this possibly happened. I mean,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: it probably happened because someone made a Halloween costume and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: then some idiot decided it was racist.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: So clowns are canceled. Right, so we're canceled clowns.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Now a clown costume manages to offend because one person
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: decided that it was blackface and minstrel I mean, seriously,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: if it was a white kid modeling that outfit, we
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: wouldn't even be having this conversation tonight. And you know
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: what irks me the most about the left. They get
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: upset when they claim that there's not enough diversity in
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the modeling realm.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: They see somebody white in a.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Magazine and they go, that's racist. There needs to be
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: more people of color. So you put a black kid
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: in to model a Halloween costume, and then they get
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: upset about that other left ever satisfied at all.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: If the intention was to mirror Jim Crow, then they
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: should have don a much better job and that The
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: really crazy thing about this is that few stores in
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the US have been as committed to DEI as Target.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Target have measurable goals in terms of how many black
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: people they promote into positions of management. Target boasted that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: they'd spent two billion dollars investing in supplies from minority groups,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: particularly from entrepreneurs who were black or female, and on
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and on it goes. So Target have played this game
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and then become victims to it, as typically happens on
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: the left.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I guess they get no credit
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: No, that's it, they get absolutely no credit whatsoever.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: including another labor stuff up that they've blamed on modeling.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: That's next, Welcome back to the program. Just before we
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: get into tomorrow's headlines, let's take a look at some
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of the more interesting results from the latest News twenty
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: four Pulse poll, which came out this evening. Have look
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: at the primary vote which shows one nation still really
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: taking it up to Labor, although Labour's vote is improved
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: by one point to twenty nine percent, one nation appolling
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: at twenty six percent, up to the Coalition down by
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: one on twenty one percent, and others independence down three points.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Also interesting is the Prime Minister's satisfaction rating fifty nine
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: percent dissatisfied with Anthony Albinezi. That's up to thirty five
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: percent satisfied thanik you' you surprised at that many people
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: pleased with the job Elbow's doing it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I am, particularly now given that the budget is
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: still or the aftermath of the budget is still continuing,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: and we're finding more and more about how it's impacting
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: basically every single Australian from pensioners to renters. So I
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: am surprise that he is still there. And it's interesting
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: I thought about it. With Labour's primary vote actually increasing
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: by one point, suggests that this whole melon saga hasn't
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: overly had an impact on the Prime minister.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: And I think that you called it from the start.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I don't see why it would have an effect on
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: him at all. You know, it's it's an issue perhaps
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: internationally to some degree, but most people aren't standing around
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: worrying about melons. It was, you know. I think what
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: you're alluding to is that I said the Kylie thing wouldn't.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Hurt him, sorry, the Kylie thing, right, and it didn't.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: In fact, I think his numbers when corect out, I don't.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think any of it actually hurts. But perhaps
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the most interesting part of this poll is the who
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: people think is the most relatable leader. And if you
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: have a look at the numbers here, I mean, poor
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: old Angus Taylor seventeen percent of people I reckon he's
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the most in touched forty two percent for Paul Enhanson,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: who's in the lead, closely followed by Anthony Alberanizi on
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: forty one percent. And I think that really tells a
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: big story. I mean Albanisi, I think, you know, still
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: has a bit of the knock about bloke likability about
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: him and that will always serve him well. But what
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you see there is the story of why people have
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: turned against the Coalition, and a lot of working class
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: people who you know, might have looked at the Coalition,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: you know, not entirely happy with the Labor Party, might
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: look at the coalition. They'll look at one nation because
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: they look at Paul Enhanson and say, well, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: there's someone that I can kind of relate to. Even
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: though she has been in and around politics for thirty years,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: someone like plenty of people in politics, she's not viewed
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: as a career politician. She's viewed as a genuine person.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: But she also speaks at your level. She's not talking
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: at you, she's talking at your level. And she is
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: so blunt that when she says things, she says it
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: the way people are having their conversations around the dinner table,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: the way that you know, mums and dads are having
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: a chat at night talking about everyday struggles or how
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: concerned they are about immigration or the types of people
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: they're having that we're bringing into the country.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: She speaks to that, and that's to her advantage.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: And honestly, I don't know how Angus Taylor can claw
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: this around because in each polling, the coal I mean
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: even the primary vote coalition twenty one percent, that's down
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: one point.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: They're not resonating that. They're not resonating with voters.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Not even close.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And everybody says that Angus Taylor is a super nice person.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sure he is.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: He's not offensive any way, but he's not cutting through.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: No, No, it's a problem that certainly is. All right.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Let's take a look now at the front pages, starting
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: with the Australian Labour's insurance rebate change in traps one
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: point two million pensioners. Labor says one point two million
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: pensioners will be affected by its decision to scrap the
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: private health insurance rebate.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: For over sixty fives I figure.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: The government says it worked out only after stakeholder pressure
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: and that it still does not have a reliable final night.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: The peak body for private health insurers says it was
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: particularly concerning the government had not produced these figures before,
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: and Opposition health spokeswoman and Rustin said it was unconscionable
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: the government has only produced them now.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: How dysfunctional can you.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Possibly be that you did not know that this would
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: be the impact before you actually introduce this. And secondly,
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: here we go again with Labour's war on pensioners, with
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Labour's war on the elderly people who have spent their
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: entire lives working their backsides off and Labour wants a
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: pinch of their money.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: And the article goes on to say that the government's
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: modeling suggested forty four thousand pensioners would drop their private cover.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Health insurers are saying it will be at least double that.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: So this is another example of whether we're talking about
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: power prices.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: There was another one recently.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: I forget what it was, but there's been a number
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: of instances where the government modeling. Oh, rent's going up
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: only two dollars. That was government modeling. Here's another example
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: of government modeling which will turn out to be far,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: far removed from the reality.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: You've had the governments run the ruler over the balance
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: sheet and gone, raight, you got to save a bit
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: of money in the as fair enough the money over there?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: What else we got here? A veterans? Veterans? Yes, why
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: don't we cap the money that they're allowed to have
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: on mere health?
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: Key?
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Yep, that's perfect. Do the veterans? And what have we
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: got here? Oh? Health care for older people?
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, let's run like could they get any more tone
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: deaf on this stuff? Like, give there's two groups that
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: you really shouldn't be fiddling with their health care. I'd
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: say to older people on veterans, and that's what they've
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: gone after stupid.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: How dumb can you possibly be? But that is a
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: labor government.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Also on the front page Alice Mayor and stolen car drama.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: This isn't exclusive by Liam Mendez. Alice brings first Greens
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: endorsed mayor, who has been publicly campaigning against negative media
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: coverage of her crime rate in town, had her partner's
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: car stolen at the weekend, but declined to give a
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: statement and did not want the offenders charged. Asta Hill
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: has been spearheading a change the narrative strategy aimed at
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: countering what she describes as unfair portrayals of Alice Springs
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: is unsafe despite high profile incidents in the town involving
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: machete and stabbing attacks at a.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Full scale ride in the past.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Year, Well, nothing to see here, nothing to see here
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: at all.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: And next minute, well you.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: Know, her partner's car has stolen and Isuzu mux found abandoned.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should be praising her for at least standing
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: by her principle. She says crime is not a big deal,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: and so when crime comes visiting her house, she says,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: not a big deal.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Miss Hill has done her bit to reduce the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: crime statistics in Alice Springs. If you don't get charged
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: today and in the statistics.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: They're very good.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Point on the front of the advertiser tomorrow. Here we
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: go a big story where another big story in the
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: AFL ain't We're not talking about the Swans tonight. It's
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: a bit of a difference, isn't it. He cheated before,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Jules Neil Lockeye betrayed me years before Crosley affair. Jules
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Neil has claimed her estranged husband, Brisbane Lanes star Lockie
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: because formerly the coach, the coach, the captain over there,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: cheated on her with at least two different women. In
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: her first tell all interview, Neil has told podcaster Adele
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Petropolis that discovering her husband's affair with her best friend
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Tess Crosley was the worst feeling in the world and
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: forced her to question everything. Miss Neil said she feared
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Lockeye's infidelity would keep happening for the rest of my life.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: That story comes out three days after Locke Neil went
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: public with his new relationship.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know for so I wonder whether that's why.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Interesting timing tell you the other interesting AFL story in
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: the papers tomorrow is who's that cricketer who's had to
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: retire early, brilliant batsman Will Parkovski. He is suing the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: AFL team he played for as a teenager.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: He's suing his old school school. The school because he
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: had a concussion with MAFL playing AFL. Yeah, because I
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: think by the time he left cricket because of head injuries,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: he'd had like thirteen headox or something and had to leave. So, yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: that'll be an interesting one to watch in terms of.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Chess plications for that. Yeah, we app concussion rules and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Front page of tomorrow's Herald's son fat Cats facing Ax
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: reads the headline down in the bottom left hand corner.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Fat Cat bureaucrats are facing the ax in a major
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: shakeup of Victoria's public service tip to save taxpayers twenty
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: five million dollars a year, Treasurer Colin Brooks will announce
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: plans to ax one hundred and forty senior public service positions,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: targeting executive roles across government departments.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Will have a major problem with that, aside from the
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: bureaucrats whose very cushy jobs are set to be axe.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: What a shame, Well, what an absolute shame.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Let's take a quick look at the Townsville bulletin Landlord
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: crashes out and Ingham Landlord has been sentenced to nine months.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Jai also spend for a year after she drove her
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: SUV through the gate of her rental property injuring a
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: tenant who owned her money. Rebecca Elise Oddie pictured not
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: guilty plea led to a lengthy hearing for the dangerous
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: operation of a motor vehicle charge in relation to the
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: incident involving her former tenant, Robert John Cowald.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what, probably not the best.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna shake someone down for money, maybe don't
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: drive a car in the direction would be good advice.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: You know, whatever money she wanted to get back from
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: her tenant, I suspect she's going to lose more while
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: she's not earning any money for nine months in preser.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I suspect you are right. All right, we're going to
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: go to a break.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to show you some
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: of the highlights of the robot Olympics. I'll tell you what,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: watching these highlights, I reckon I could get into robot competitions.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Well, if you know anything about the Nikoa Georgio, you'll
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: know she loves her sport. So she's been on the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: edge of her seat watching the robot Olympics.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is not my kind of sport. Let me
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: tell you that. The robot Olympics. So this is the
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: World Humanoid Games underway in China, and I've got to say,
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I'm pretty disturbed by it. Have a
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: look at this particular clips. So this is a robot
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: falling over a whoopsie daisy. Wow, that sparks flying you same,
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: bolt in your heart out that we've got this one
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: with this bizarre running technique.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what that is. What is that?
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: That's me after tin punts.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: Well, you know that they can run faster than you say, bolt,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: so that's a bit of a concern.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And then like that, and then in.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: The kickboxing wait, oh hang on, down, down he goes, down,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: he goes So look, this is the future and good
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: luck to all of us is all I can say.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: Because this is this is what's going to outpace us
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: and outrun us.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I would I would watch the robot Olympics if they
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: promised more of that kind of Yes, I would entertain.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I agree. I actually I think that's fantastic. Can you
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: bit on it? Can you be?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I'd love to ready for a punt, absolutely, I reckon
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: how long before it catches fire?
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that's a good one. I was thinking
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: it'd be pretty easy to rig, right, they've got you
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: had the inside word. You could make a bit of money.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: Well, they've got boxing, high jump, tai chi and table
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: tennis as well.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Tai chi. I don't just see the table tennis.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: That would be quite good. Yeah, bit of tai chi though,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: you look.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I mean that the possibilities are endless. During COVID, when
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: all the sport disappeared and it was like was just
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: racing and that was about it. And I was watching
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: and betting on these Russian table tennis games because that
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: was about the only thing you could find in the
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: world to watch. It was quite interesting. Speaking of quite interesting,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: though maybe you wouldn't want to watch it. There's a
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: chap over in Germany. He's a councilor at the city
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: of Mannheim. Julian Ferrett is his name, thirty five years old.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Apparently he's known as the craziest councilor in Germany, and
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: that may well be a fair description of the chap
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: because he wants to host orgi's at the town hall.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Apparently he has told his council quote Group six with
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: city council members would be the ultimate in closeness with
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: the city. So there you go. If you weren't being
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: screwed by your council already, he's come up with another
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: way to do it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: So he wants rate payers to have sex with counselmen.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. He just wants their big orges.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: He says, a way of bringing the community together.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Look, I mean, what whatever happened to having a library?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: You know, it seems a little on the extreme side
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: if you ask me.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Well, he wants it to be a swinger's paradise, he said.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: It's the swings are not packed his bags.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: He's off to Germany.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Swings aren't only in the Polls's after Germany, Let's finish
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: on a not nice story a gy Arrow, who, of course,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: is the rabbit Os player who tragically was diagnosed with
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: MND at the start of the year.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: In a very short space of time, his speech is deteriorated,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: he can no longer run, and of course his rugby
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: league career is over stranded on ninety eight games. But
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: they've come up with a plan to let him run
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: on to the field for the next two games of
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: the season that remain as soon as the whistle blows
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: to start the game. He'll run sit on the bench
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: in his uniform, but that will get him to one
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: hundred games, becoming only the sixty seventh player in Rabbido's
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: history to make a hundred games. Nice gesture from Wayne Bennett,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: the coach.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and I'm glad the NRL changed the rules
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: to allow it because you know, it'd be pretty rude.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Not to Yeah, really good, all right, that's it from us.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Stick around. Come up is to read a Penney Show.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Good night,