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Buck Showalter on ABS challenges, Playing time drama, ST evaluations · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I think one of the hardest things to do in
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  Speaker 1: team sports, whether it be players, coaches, or managers, is
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  Speaker 1: to win when you're expected to win.
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  Speaker 2: Buck Show Walter joining us for an extended segment. Here
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  Speaker 2: will at some point take a two minute break for
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  Speaker 2: the TV crowd on seventeen different regional networks and then
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  Speaker 2: come back. But good to see you. How are you
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  Speaker 2: happy spring training?
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  Speaker 1: To you? Thank God for Claudia trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to set up this microphone and all this other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, producer lady, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know what you're playing her, but it ain't enough.
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  Speaker 3: Too much, too much, too much.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, don't you guys know greens and style. Look
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  Speaker 1: at Eric's background.
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  Speaker 4: That's actually that's actually green monster green. It's actually like,
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  Speaker 4: that's the green monster green and you can't see it.
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  Speaker 4: But above the camera, I got a yellow lion going
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  Speaker 4: above there, which I think is one of the dumbest
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  Speaker 4: things in all of baseball. They have a yellow line
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  Speaker 4: on the fence, but if it hits it, it's still
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  Speaker 4: in place.
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  Speaker 3: So anyway, give.
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  Speaker 1: Me, don't get me going, Please let me ask you.
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  Speaker 1: A questionable AJ comes up to you. You got a
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  Speaker 1: seven year contract, and he says, hey, Aj, we got
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  Speaker 1: this great prospect. Our club's going to be better. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to move you to first base. What would you.
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  Speaker 5: Say to them, Well, I would say, if you want
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  Speaker 5: to lose more games and move me to first base,
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  Speaker 5: keep me right where I'm a kid. Because I listen,
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  Speaker 5: I will be the first one to admit book, I
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  Speaker 5: was scared as hell of the ball without my catching
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  Speaker 5: gear on. If you stuck me an infield in BP,
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  Speaker 5: I was scared of I was laying the crap out
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  Speaker 5: of balls. But you put the gear on me, putting
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  Speaker 5: a bat at holmet on me. I'll take whatever you got,
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  Speaker 5: But for some reason, you stuck me in that dirt. Nope,
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  Speaker 5: I wanted no part of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: But if I put shin guards, a mask and a
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  Speaker 1: chest protector on a ubr playing first base.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I'd knocked the hell of that down and flip
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  Speaker 5: it to the picture. I'd have the most assistant the league.
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  Speaker 5: I'd be like John Stockton Buck. I'd be like flip
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  Speaker 5: flip flip.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what's the over under hell? Long before the first
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  Speaker 1: fight tonight?
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  Speaker 3: Three minutes?
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  Speaker 1: I say none.
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  Speaker 4: I bet they don't have any Wow, Okay, come on, Buck,
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  Speaker 4: you know it's you know, it's drama. You know you
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  Speaker 4: know that they have you know they're setting it up.
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  Speaker 4: It's like it's already predetermined.
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  Speaker 2: Hey w w e they got their script. You're fighting
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  Speaker 2: him tonight?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, in all serious this way. I want to backtrack
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  Speaker 2: for a moment, though, Buck, because we have you on,
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  Speaker 2: so you gotta you gotta give us your opinion here.
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  Speaker 2: First on on Devors. So, okay, Bregman gets signed. They
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  Speaker 2: were pursuing them all off season. They also were talking
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  Speaker 2: about Nolan Ironatto for a good chunk of the off season,
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  Speaker 2: so it's it's not new that they were going after
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  Speaker 2: a third baseman. What do you think goes on behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes when this happens and then why does it
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  Speaker 2: get into public drama once we're in camp?
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's I find out. Usually there's reasons for everything.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them you don't know. I know that when
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  Speaker 1: you look at your manager is an ex infielder, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he's going to put a lot of premium on
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  Speaker 1: infield defense. And how can you make up ground with
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  Speaker 1: other teams? So many people put a premium on offense,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a way to make up ground if you
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  Speaker 1: get better defensively. I think it's as simple that as
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  Speaker 1: I'm always careful about when with Latin guys. Sometimes it
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  Speaker 1: gets lost in translations, so you've got to be careful
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  Speaker 1: about basing things literally on what somebody says. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you look at Bregman. You know, he said, hey, wherever
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  Speaker 1: you want me to play, it's about the team winning
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  Speaker 1: and whatever. You know, that obviously is great. I actually
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  Speaker 1: think he'll might play some short stop if Trevor Story
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  Speaker 1: has an issue or whatever. But having a third baseman
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  Speaker 1: on the team that is better than your current third
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  Speaker 1: baseman if nothing else, is going to put a little
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  Speaker 1: heat on Devors to maybe be you know, better at
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  Speaker 1: third base. I think the competition is great now when
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  Speaker 1: you got that type of contract. You know what, the
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  Speaker 1: competition has to come from within the player because whether
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  Speaker 1: he is good or not, he's still going to get paid.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes I wish, you know, some of
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  Speaker 1: the peripheral people wouldn't weigh in on it, but everybody,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the first basement seems to be weighing in
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  Speaker 1: on it. And you know, I haven't quite figured that
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  Speaker 1: one out yet, but you know, Bregman's handling perfectly. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I believe I've got some real personal opinions
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  Speaker 1: on what do you guys think? I mean, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think has happened? I can't imagine Alex, knowing Alex,
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  Speaker 1: that he hasn't communicated this beforehand.
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  Speaker 5: That was my question to you, Buck is how does
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  Speaker 5: this get to this point? How does it get to
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  Speaker 5: spring training? And I know there you know Devs might
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  Speaker 5: have already been there, but you know, knowing Alex Cora,
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  Speaker 5: he's a communicator, right, So I can't imagine he didn't
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  Speaker 5: pick up the phone call Raffi and say, listen, man,
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  Speaker 5: we're close on Alex pregnant. Now there's a chance he
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  Speaker 5: could play third base? Are you okay with moving and
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  Speaker 5: him not saying yes to that? Like, as a manager,
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't that be your first phone call is hey, RAFFI,
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  Speaker 5: guess what? And then you got to call Tristan Casses
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  Speaker 5: and tell him not to say what he said, because listen, Tristan,
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  Speaker 5: nobody really gives a crap what you say, because you're
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  Speaker 5: out of all the three of these guys, you're way
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  Speaker 5: low on the totem pole of these three. So guess
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  Speaker 5: what if anyone's getting kicked out, it's going to be you.
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  Speaker 5: So wouldn't you think those would be His phone calls
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  Speaker 5: is hey, Alex, where do you want to plan? And
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  Speaker 5: if he says third base, then you got to call
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  Speaker 5: RAFFI have that conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Then you call.
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  Speaker 5: Tristan Costas and say, guess what, buddy? Sorry, he might
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  Speaker 5: be sool right now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my question to you, ajas word has Devers moved to?
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  Speaker 3: That's if you move them too DH.
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  Speaker 5: I think you're a team, but he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 5: go to DH because if you move them to DH,
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  Speaker 5: you lose Yoshida's bat and you lose Castas is about
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  Speaker 5: it at some point because you know there's gonna be times
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  Speaker 5: where you're gonna want to miss mix and match and
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  Speaker 5: do things. So it's a it's a tough situation. And
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  Speaker 5: I've said it on here Buck and I'll say it
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  Speaker 5: again opening day, Raffie Devers will play third base. It
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  Speaker 5: might not last very long, but he's gonna be there
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  Speaker 5: on third base as soon as he makes that first
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  Speaker 5: there or guess what's gonna come up. You know you've
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  Speaker 5: been around Boston, you've been around New York. Get Devers
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  Speaker 5: off the field, Get pregnant at third base. You want
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  Speaker 5: to go, you know how it's gonna go. So but
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  Speaker 5: I said on opening day he'll be the third basement.
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  Speaker 5: After that, all bets are off.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's my question. When I say words Devers moving
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  Speaker 1: to my next question is if he moves to third base,
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  Speaker 1: Bragman who plays second base?
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  Speaker 3: Who's on first? Christian Campbell? I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Are you trusting a rookie kid that's ever has no
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  Speaker 5: big league experience to do that.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I said on opening day.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I said on opening day, I think Devers
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  Speaker 5: will be the third baseman. Pregmant will be at second
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  Speaker 5: Dell just after that, if Campbell goes down, if he
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  Speaker 5: has a great spring, goes down at Triple A for
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  Speaker 5: a month, mash, guess what, he'll be up there quicker.
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  Speaker 3: Then they'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: You know they'll figure it out because it plays itself out.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big story. But you're you're a good team
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  Speaker 1: with Bregman on it, a better team. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: is he the player that he was six years ago?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody is, but he brings such a presence and a
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  Speaker 1: pedigree that they need there. I love what Boston's done
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  Speaker 1: in the off season kind of under the radar. They've
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  Speaker 1: added some really upside things to happen there, and defensively
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  Speaker 1: they're better. I think they're more versatile. I know, in
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  Speaker 1: the big leagues, when you have guys that you good players,
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  Speaker 1: that you can move around and not sacrifice something, it's
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  Speaker 1: a real advantage. And Bregman's one of those guys. I
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  Speaker 1: mean people, I remember the first time I saw this
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  Speaker 1: guy playing shortstop at LSU in the College Rule Series.
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  Speaker 1: I got up and I called our scouty director, who
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  Speaker 1: is this guy? You know? He was a shortstop. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this guy can play all over and you've always got
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  Speaker 1: to be asking yourself, what if something you pencil in
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  Speaker 1: or and then all of a sudden it's hurt for
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  Speaker 1: an extended period of time, the season doesn't stop. You're
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  Speaker 1: you're what ifs are very important, So you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think Alex Bregman gives him a lot of versatility where
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  Speaker 1: he can move in.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Brook, what would you say to Tristan Cassas
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  Speaker 5: if this whole thing's going down and you get a
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  Speaker 5: young guy that really had I mean, listen, he's supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be his study. He hasn't really done. He's been
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  Speaker 5: injuries unfortunately. But if you're Alex kra and you're Craig Breslo,
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  Speaker 5: or you're a player on his team, what are you
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  Speaker 5: telling him when he goes into this press conference and
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  Speaker 5: says what he says.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times people got to get
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  Speaker 1: caught up in that. Wow, people are actually listening to
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, They're waging in on. Sometimes you can
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  Speaker 1: get caught up in the disease of of you know,
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  Speaker 1: thinking that you know your opinion matters that much, you know, Ahja,
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  Speaker 1: I asked you and Cratsy both. I mean all these things,
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  Speaker 1: all these says you have up in weight rooms and
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  Speaker 1: down the halls of locker rooms, and quotes from this
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  Speaker 1: and that whatever. I don't think you've ever read one
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  Speaker 1: and go, wow, that made me a better player. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't one thing up. I painted over all of them.
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  Speaker 1: Just it said play better, Just play better. You know,
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  Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear all the peripheral stuff. Just play better.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know there's a lot of lip service
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  Speaker 1: paid to it. So you know, I'm sure that Alex
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  Speaker 1: will have some of those conversations behind the scenes, and
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  Speaker 1: I give you know he's a smart guy and a
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  Speaker 1: good manager. And Barry I've had his brother, Joey, who's
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  Speaker 1: brilliant baseball guy. And these things will get handled behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes and someone will sort themselves out. But competition
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  Speaker 1: is a good thing, and you know, you always control
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  Speaker 1: it as a player because you can play better and
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  Speaker 1: shut everybody up. It's like David Bohm said, they're waiting
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  Speaker 1: to embrace me. David Cohen said one time after getting
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  Speaker 1: boot off the field, he said, it's my responsibility to
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  Speaker 1: pitch better. If I pitch better, they'll cheer for me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 5: You control it, buck Two things. One, there's an old
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  Speaker 5: thing in baseball. If you don't like it, play better.
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  Speaker 5: If you're in the mind leagues you don't like it,
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  Speaker 5: play better, get to the big leagues, right, And then
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  Speaker 5: I disagree.
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  Speaker 3: With you on one.
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  Speaker 5: There's only one quote I think I've ever seen that
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  Speaker 5: made me play better. It was an old Tiger stadium.
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  Speaker 5: You're walking down the tunnel, which, by the way, I
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  Speaker 5: had to duck. It was like this tall right walking
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  Speaker 5: down a.
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  Speaker 1: J I did not help it.
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  Speaker 3: There was a urinal I'm sure you remember the urinal
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  Speaker 3: that was there. I think it was on the.
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  Speaker 5: Left side as you went down the tunnel and over
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  Speaker 5: the urinal. It said some of the best players in
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  Speaker 5: the history of the game have peed here, be great
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  Speaker 5: today or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: That one made me want to go out there. I
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  Speaker 3: was fired up because I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I'm peeing, we're babe, Ruth Pede back in nineteen hundred, Well,
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  Speaker 5: there was.
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  Speaker 1: One there that said, don't put cigarette cigarettes in the urinal,
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  Speaker 1: it makes them soggy and hard to like. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: remember that, I said, Man, I wonder if ty Cob
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  Speaker 1: I ever peed in this place. It's pretty cool. But
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  Speaker 1: he was not a viser. You know what I saw
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  Speaker 1: the other day that if if ty Cob went oh
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  Speaker 1: for was it ty Cob went oh for two thousand,
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  Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty, he would still be hitting three hundred?
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  Speaker 1: Was it Cob? Somebody? That was amazing? Okay? What else?
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  Speaker 4: So if you added so, if you added ty Cobbs
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  Speaker 4: numbers to my numbers, he would still be hitting over
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  Speaker 4: three hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying. I appreciate that. Buck.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you some chat. I did a little
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  Speaker 1: homework on you. Hey, do you guys know what the
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  Speaker 1: nickname of Eastern Mennonite call University is. I do.
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  Speaker 3: The wagons, the wheel, the horse drawn carriages? Come on,
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  Speaker 3: it's another name for a lion. The other name for
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  Speaker 3: a lion royal.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that stadium named after you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Because fuck? Because I'm cheap. Because I'm cheap and
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  Speaker 3: I didn't got to give the money, and the money I.
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  Speaker 4: Did give back. They asked if they wanted my name
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  Speaker 4: on it, and I said, not a chance, not a chance.
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  Speaker 3: That is Chapola named after you? You? Why is Mississippi
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  Speaker 3: State not named after you?
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  Speaker 1: Because Paul Mary Clark went there and Bradley and uh
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  Speaker 1: your buddy, uh.
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  Speaker 3: Dick in Thiggie my boy love Piggy Penn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, crats?
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  Speaker 4: What else you got another? Another clubhouse issue that we
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  Speaker 4: got to take care of? Pictures and catchers.
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  Speaker 3: Report.
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  Speaker 4: The manager's there, he's taking hands. How is your off
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  Speaker 4: season hand in your little pocket and your pants?
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  Speaker 3: What? What? Wait a minute? One of our starters from
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  Speaker 3: last year didn't show up. Oh.
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  Speaker 4: I talked to him. He's not going to show up
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  Speaker 4: until the very first game. How do you handle that?
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  Speaker 4: And are you good with that? In a sense? Of
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  Speaker 4: creating the culture that you want to create, a competitiveness togetherness.
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  Speaker 1: I think you kind of make it in consequence, so
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  Speaker 1: it falls underneath the no you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that it was all communicating you what was
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  Speaker 1: going on. You don't like it, but you pick the
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  Speaker 1: battles worth winning. I'm sure you know everybody can do math.
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  Speaker 1: You know how many starters there are. You could go
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  Speaker 1: with six men. It'll work out injury wise or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But you'll look back later on the season, go why
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  Speaker 1: did we make that a bigger thing than it was.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it shouldn't surprise anybody. I mean that you
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  Speaker 1: knew he wasn't going to be happy about it, and
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  Speaker 1: it'll work itself out one way or the other. But
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  Speaker 1: you try not to make it a you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: players will make it a distraction on its own, but
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  Speaker 1: what you try to do is make it inconsequential, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: do whatever you want to do, and that's fine, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to let it disrupt what we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get done here. I just don't think you dwell
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  Speaker 1: on it and make it a real topic of conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I think most players just you know, you get to
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  Speaker 1: the perfect point where people are looking for sympathetic years
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  Speaker 1: in your locker room. You know youve got the culture
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  Speaker 1: going on when somebody who's got a complaint goes to
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  Speaker 1: a teammate and AJ goes, I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 1: he goes to Cratchy. He didn't want to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: You keep going around looking for that. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: always talk about eliminating sympathetic years. You think Bregman is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a sympathetic year to BS in Boston.
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  Speaker 1: He's a pretty tunnel vision about Hey, if this isn't
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  Speaker 1: something that helps us win or those ball games, I
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  Speaker 1: really don't want to hear it. So you try to
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  Speaker 1: eliminate all the sympathetic game things to BS to get
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  Speaker 1: your way of winning, and it'll work itself out. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't dwell on it. And you'd had this communication long before.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the math was there a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, the way injuries are and the way
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  Speaker 1: people you know starting pitching, you better be about ten
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  Speaker 1: deep in the day's game.
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  Speaker 4: Did you have a situation like this where hey, everybody's
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  Speaker 4: here and this guy didn't show up Because I had
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  Speaker 4: never heard of it, but Now as this came out
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  Speaker 4: over the past week, we hear, oh yeah, well, actually
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  Speaker 4: I knew this rule and I saw this guy used
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  Speaker 4: to do it and push it. Did you ever have
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  Speaker 4: anybody do that?
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Way back when? You know, a guy named passbal Perez.
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  Speaker 1: But that was for us another story altogether, but.
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  Speaker 3: We never had that was crazy. That guy was full crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Budgy threw the didn't he throw the bat at that
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  Speaker 5: picture that one time when he got hit they.
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  Speaker 3: Threw out when he was at the braves, he chucked
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  Speaker 3: his bat. That was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forget. We all get. He finally showed up
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  Speaker 1: in camp. We found out later why he was late,
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  Speaker 1: but we mister Steinery made all the coaches come back
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  Speaker 1: from the hotel. But he did a side at night
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  Speaker 1: when he got in. He had a work day, so
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: we were all standing around the dugout in turn the
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: lights on. That was another might be in the book
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: one day, but uh, you know, I never had that
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: much depth. You know. We always had four starters and
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: then we had competition for the other spot. Sometimes three
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: starters and two young players competing. You know, because spring
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: training is such a fooler if you're evaluating players in
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: spring training or in September. Those are the two big
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: foolers on players is September call ups and spring training
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: feed ons. If you base your decisions on that and
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: you haven't already come to conclusion because of track record,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: you're gonna make some mistakes on player evaluation. And I
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: still see it. I see it all the time. Spring
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: training evaluating outfos and spring training is awful because you
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: got a high sky, you got win, you got depth perception,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: you got to field. They're not used to outfit. I've
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: seen gold glove outfielders look like a monkey doing you
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: know what. In spring training. They don't look good. So
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: you got to be careful about evaluating outfielders in spring training.
• 16:34
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• 17:48
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to FT with Buck Showalter, who said something
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: right before the break that just means nineteen years of
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: my career. I didn't have a chance to make the
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: team in spring training. Like you said, You're already evaluated
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: guys beforehand.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable. All that time I thought I had a chance.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Do you know what you evaluate by talking to people?
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Talk to you a manager, You talked to your hitting coordinator,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You talked to your guidance counselor from high school, You
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: talk to your mom and dad. I mean there's a lot.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of ways, a lot of ways to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: evaluate somebody without the I trust track record more than anything.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: All right, what you got old?
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: No, no, buck, I got a question before you go
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: bring did you ever did you ever have Crats.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: On your team?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I wish I had? No.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, you know why you didn't because you just said
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: you talked to their managers before you talk to your
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: boy John Russell, and he did. He did not recommend Crats.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: That's why you never signed him.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I knew it. I knew there was a connection there.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: No, he hammered left handed pitching. We would have loved
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to have had him. We saw a lot of John wanted.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: John didn't remember me. That's okay, it was just my
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: first daily manager. But he remember me.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah he did, Oh yeah I did. John didn't
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: miss anything. John a few words, but many much knowledge,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: few words, much knowledge. My type of guy. What you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: guys hate about spring training. Ag, I can't imagine you
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: as spring training?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Oh what did I hate about spring training? All of it?
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Every second of it? What did I like?
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: If you asked me what I liked about spring training?
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I can tell you nothing, not a thing. You know
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: what I liked about spring training? Got on a plane
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: and left.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: That was it. No, I didn't like the I.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Like the first day, when you show up, you see everybody,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: the first game, and then when you get on the
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: plane to leave, that's it. Other than that, I hate
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: because I was a bad spring training player, because I
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: could never get excited for a spring tra You know
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: what the like. The most excited I think I ever
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: was in spring training was I grounded into two double
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: plays my first two at bats, and I'm standing on
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: deck and Ozzy Gehan and Joey Cours in there and
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: they go, we bet you one hundred dollars you ground
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: into another double play. And I was like, there's no
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: way guy gets on first double play. I'm running to first.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: We told you, We told you. Oh dude, that was
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: probably the most matter I ever got in spring training.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: You guys would have liked my spring training. There's there's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: so much just you know, there's so much stuff in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: spring training that really doesn't serve a purpose. I think
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: guys that go, why why are we doing this? You know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you got to add a eight to twelve minute attention span.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: You're basically trying to entertain players too, and you got
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to have movement. You got to you know, you don't
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: do something to get it right. You do something till
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you can't get it wrong, and you know, you try
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to make it interesting. You know, we'd have a talent show.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: We'd have different things where people you want to make
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: it something that people want to come to. You know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: we'd go to a movie theater and go over things.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's just, you know, spring training, let's face it, for
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: position players, how long did you guys really need to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: get ready? It's about the pitching. How long do you
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: think you guys need it?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Truly thirty five events That's about what I would get
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: and I got used to that, So maybe that's what
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I got used to. But I wasn't getting ready to
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: be an everyday player either, so it was different. I
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: love spring training. I love the golf outing at the
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: end of spring training with the Phillies that we had
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: every year. The whole team gets out there. I love
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: hanging out afterwards. I love, you know, the workout. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: enjoyed spring training. I really did well.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I always tried to look at it through a player's eyes.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Would I want to do this? Would I want to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Does this really serve a purpose? Because they sniff out
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: a phony and a heartbeat. If you're doing something just
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to stay on the field, it's no good and it's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: got to have a purpose. You know, it's about getting
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the pictures ready. You know what you do with the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: pictures is I see now they bring thirty pitchers to camp.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Spare me. There's no way you can evaluate thirty pitchers.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: There's like teams that have seventy seventy two players average.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I think sixty four. I always try to say under
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: sixty because it wasn't fair of the people you brought
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: in there. And if you need something, you go over
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to minor league camp and get I think there's so
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: much money wasted in spring training. You know, side works
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: now take forever. It used to take fifteen minutes. Now
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they throw a pitch, have to go evaluate that pitch.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: They're max efforting things very early on, and I think
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that's wonderason why you have so many injuries in the spring.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: You always try to work in you know there's going
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to be some injury along the way, so you try
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to buffer your schedule along with that. There's so much
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: planning that goes into This is about the pissing musician.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Players get bored very quickly.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: You talk about the pitching. You just you deviated me
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: from what my question was going to be. Have you
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: seen videos of the bullpens that guys are thrown because
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: in between breaks here when we transition, we have videos
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: and it's three to four guys going buck. There is
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: a camera, there is a track man, There is probably
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: three or four staff members all watching one person. If
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: you watch the entire eight pack, it's unbelievable how many
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: people there are. Do you feel like there's too many
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: people touching each pitch, giving too much evaluation to each
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: pitch that don't have any credit to do that kind
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: of stuff.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, without a doubt. Did you guys see the tape
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of the the picture from Japan? What's his name that
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: had his first sidework yesterday with the Dodgers rookie sockeye,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it must have been there, must have
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: been fifty people standing around. First of all, how can
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: you have that many players standing around? Un don't you
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: have something to do? And you tell him, hey, we're
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: not evaluating you just get your work in. You got
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that many people watching your first outing, and you've got
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the whole your whole country, and everybody in the States
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: is watching me. You don't think you feel some pressure
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to turn up the dial a little bit. I just
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I never watched. If I watched the sidework, I would
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: do it where they couldn't see me. I would stand
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: way over to the side, away from everybody. And we
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: only did two or three at a time. You know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you got that many people. You know, the catchers hated it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't take eight catchers. I took six catchers and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: two bullpen guys because you don't need eight catch you can.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: There's so much fact that comes on in spring training.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's about getting your major league team ready. You know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: it's not a tryout camp. And if you don't know
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: who your prospects are by then you're probably down a
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: bad road anyway.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll talk about the Dodgers. How do you
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: approach it? If you're Dave Roberts, you've got two rings
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: in your pocket. Now, well one ring about to be
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: in your pocket. But you sit there and you go
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Aaron Boone just got an extension. Craig Counsel got this
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: contract two years ago. How do you evaluate yourself and
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: how important is it to the other managers in the
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: game that you get what you're worth in the market.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's true. I think one of the hardest things
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to do in team sports, whether it be players, coaches,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: or managers, is to win when you're expected to win.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: That's why I have so much respect for the Patriots
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: when Belichick was there as a saban when he was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: at Alabama, Day fits into that. I mean, there's only
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: one way they're going to be equated to being a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: success this year and be the last team standing. That's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a hard mentality for a team to have. Yeah, they're
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: very talented and they're very deep, but Dave has done
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a great job of playing a good hand well, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: that's hard to do. There's a lot of guys that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: are good at playing a bad hand well. But uh,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: you know, some situations, Hey we're better than the other team.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Let's don't over manage that. There's a certain skill to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that and keeping and I think Dave does it well
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and I think he'll be rewarded for it before it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: over all.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Right books, Speaking of managers, you managed under some tough owners.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I want I want to know what was it like
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: managing for the boss? And then you got Cohen, so
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: you got kind of you know, you got the boss
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: who seems like man, he's you know, you could have
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: been fired at any second. And George Steinbrenner, and then
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: you have Stevie Cohen who're just like I just want
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: to win. I want to win, but kind of wined
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: about it as the more a happy, go lucky kind
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: of guy.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, they're very competitive men. That's why they're successful.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And what they did, you know, Peter Angelos was one
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of the great trial lawyers in the country, and Mike
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Flanninggan gave me a great piece of advice when he
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was there with us. He said, Buck, do what I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: didn't do. Go over and sit down with the owner
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: once a home stand, have once with him, let him
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: air his griefs, because I really want to keep my
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Coastin staff intact and consistent for the players. And you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: he would give me what he didn't like. And we
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: even get loud sometime whatever, But at at some point
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we'd have a ham sandwich and everything would be okay.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: But communication was key, you know, with mister Steinberg, the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: fans didn't want to hear you complain about it. You
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: do the job description when you took the job, it
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise you. I got a one year contract for
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars managed the New
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: York Yankees. Therefore, I was on a one year plan,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: really a day to day plan, and I think the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: fans didn't want to hear it. They just, you know,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it's more about show me, and we tried to do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that in Baltimore. Is how can we make up the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: ground on some of the bigger market bigger payroll teams,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: better defense, better relationships, better six year free agents, better fundamentals,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: things that you could do that you didn't have to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: pay for, you know, so ownership, you know, first of all,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I don't have enough money to own a team. I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: always said, what do you need me to bring? What
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: do you want to be about? What do you need
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: here that you haven't had? And we'll see if we
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: can bring it. You try to have a partnership with
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the general manager and the ownership and the manager, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you were all in it together and you had each
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: other's back. But there were some challenges along the way.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: But you know, I kept saying, I don't have enough
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: money to buy the team, So you knew the job
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: description going in, so you better bring it what he wants.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Hey, and you don't have the powerful position of changing
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: the rules. But we've had some of those. So the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: big one coming up in spring training is the challenge
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: system with the abs with the robo umps, right, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you can do a couple of challenges. So what do
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: you think about this? And now that's going to play out.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: But also a lot of fans are pretty ticked off,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Buck because there was a report yesterday that they might
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: get rid of that strike zone box on the screen
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: when this gets implemented, likely in twenty twenty six. You know,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan, I'm an entertainment guy. You want to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: change the rules and make it better, I'm all for it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I want this to happen, but I'm like, don't take
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: away a strike zone box. Eighty three percent of our
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: fans yesterday when we did a poll said they love
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: the kzone.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Well, keep in mind that the K zone is not accurate.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: That's okay, close, it's close enough.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I want to guide. I want to guide on the screen. Buck,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: it's close enough. I don't want nothing. If you give
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: me nothing, if you can make it perfect, I'm good.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: But if I have to get something that's close, I'd
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: rather have that than nothing on the screen.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you understand you're managing. There's always a camera well
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to your left and guys are looking at it. I mean,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you want to get thrown out of a game, tell
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a manager what the K box said, Okay, because they'll
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: tell you. You know, that's what it's gonna happen, is okay.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: You're going to evaluate very quickly who on your team
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't cry wolf and its accurate. Can you imagine aj
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: in the first inning, he's at the bat and it
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: guy throws them the pitch the very first inning, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: he challenges and he's wrong, and then he's wrong again
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the next day. Now everybody on the team gets hurt
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: because you're losing your challenge because you only get so
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: many the catcher, the pitcher, and the and the the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: hitter right, So you better be accurate when you challenge
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: because you talk hibout, tick off your teammates. Can you
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: imagine Aj and Cratsey if you got a guy that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: continually wants to challenge and he's wrong all the time
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: and it's hurting the team. Now of a sudden seventh,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: eighth and ninth in and you don't have any challenges.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Left, we're gonna keep no.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: But he has to have a meeting for that as
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: a manager, because let's let's say, okay, I'm gonna.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Use your old team. I'm gonna use the Yankees for example.
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Right, Aaron Judge has got a great eye, right, But
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: then whoever's hitting ninth for him, whoever that is, and
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: they're not Aaron Judge, they use the challenge and they're wrong.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: And then Aaron Judge comes up in a big situation
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: and he goes like this and they're like, oh, sorry, Aaron,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: you're at it as a manager, don't you have to
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: have a meeting and say, listen, you know you're Don Mattingly.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: You get the challenge, but you know, whoever's hitting ninth
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: for you, you don't get to challenge that call because you're
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: not that person.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: You better be really right. If you're in the first
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: seven innings, six innings, you better be sure you're right.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: They'd better be a game changer. I got one for you,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the one I can't understand. I've said this for years.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to registure your height with the league. Now,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: what if a guy hits out of a crouch, or
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: he changes his batting stance or crouchs from the back
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to a bat. You know, all of a sudden, some
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: guy is in a crouch and they throw a pitch
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: where if he's standing erect, it would have been a strike.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: It's gonna creates some issues. I think that's going to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: be a challenge for him because aja you may change
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: or crass. You guys may change your batting stance from
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: what it was. Maybe maybe you hit straight up and
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you decide to hit differently.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: How is that going to be adjusted? I haven't heard
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the answer of that yet.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I think Jason Stark wrote about it. There is some
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: science to it, and that was part of why it
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: was taking some time to get it done. I don't
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: know the answer, so I don't quote me on it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I have to go back and find it. But there
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: is an article that includes some information on that because
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: there were players. I think that we're trying to game
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the system in the miners, and they figured out a
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: way to counter it. This has been getting tested in
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: the minors for half a decade.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I thought about it. I was on the
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: rules committee for a while, and everything I found I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: got so much more confidence in it because they are
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: working on a lot of these things. We bring up, well,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: what if this happened, what if that happened. Believe it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: They're on top of this stuff because they've had a
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: lot of trials and trial and error trying to get
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: to this point. But I think, you know it's good
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: for the game. I don't want to be able to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: trust it. I don't know why we don't aren't able
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: to challenge everything. Just take it out of the manager altogether.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we just have it come directly from New York.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I mean they keep they went from twenty seconds to
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: this second. I mean the manager basically has got no time.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You talk about pressure. The guy that's running the replay
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: up the runway, he's the guy that's got pressure on me.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I tell him, I go listen. If you're wrong all
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: the time. I'll get somebody out somebody else. But if
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you say, ooh, that's a tough one, Buck, I don't know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: we'll get We'll definitely get somebody else.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a big job. Video room guy or
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: whatever they call hi quality control. That that matters. That's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: a game changer, Buck, This was awesome. Appreciate the extended time.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Obviously we'll get you back. But good to see time.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Guy.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I have time. It's not like I'm hurting for time here.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: We do too.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Actually. The only thing is one of our team members,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Katie Wu is on the line waiting to join us next.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: So it's out of respect for her. She's a superstar.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: But we want you back soon, so appreciate you about it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Hey, good luck to Anthony John, good luck tonight.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Well you're rot. Why are you rooting for Canada?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: No?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Come on, man, I mean come on, I mean good luck.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: What do you mean we're only good? Good luck to me?
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, I don't even know the rules of hockey, but
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I'll be watching. I never understood why they just don't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: wipe the dollie out and shoot it in there.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: That's one of the rules. It's definitely a rule you
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: can't do.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Come bye, Kratz.
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• 34:30
  Speaker 2: We've got a look to show off Julio Rodriguez honoring Eiero.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: And I actually heard there's an update to this look
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: today without a picture yet. So this is Ryan Davish
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: posting a photo of the number fifty one etched into
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the back of the haircut of Julio Rodriguez, obviously honoring
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: each ro making the Hall of Fame guys. I heard
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that he got an hof also added there, which I
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: think is cool.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: It's fun thoughts, that's what are you doing spring training?
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Because spring training is boring as hell.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. I agree. People are like, oh, look at
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Randy Rose rain is hair, he died it cool and
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: he's doing live BP great.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: This person put on fifteen to twenty pounds. It might
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: be a monster year. Yeah right, it's just dude eight
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: too much.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: He shouldn't have put on fifteen to twenty pounds at
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: his position.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Do you know the biggest one? The one thing I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: do look for is the number okay when they say,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: oh so into added muscle, okay, because there's always one
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: guy that has a number that's bigger than everyone else. Like,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: there's always one and it stands out. Do you know
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: who it? Is I found one for this year. There's
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: one player who reportedly added twenty five pounds of muscle
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: in the off season. You're never going to guess this player.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: If I gave you three hundred guesses, you might not
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: get him. Anthony Va No, no, Chris Ready, No, he
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: just saw him. Sal Freelick, Oh, I did see that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: You know you know that it like in like three months.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: It's it's almost physically impossible to ask twenty five pounds
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: without without some sort of like I know that. I'm
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: not saying that he did any I'm not. I don't
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: want to make his but like, it's almost physically impossible
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: to add twenty five pounds of muscle in one off season.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, not twenty pounds, that twenty five pounds of fat.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: I could do that in a second. If I like Scott.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Square Grouper, We're going to Square Grouper. I'm definitely putting
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: that on.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: You want some fries, I think there It's not easy,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: but I think there are ways to pull it off
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: if you have like the most insane training regiment ever.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Because some guys do it for movies. I've seen it
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: before where they have a dude put on a ton
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of way.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, they do that over six eight months.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: You can do steroids and put on twenty five pounds
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: of muscle. Probably not in three months, but you can
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: put it on.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Let's hit at MGM futures, Vladdie Junior. I don't even
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: have to look at the number. I'm going over. Thirty
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: one and a half. I mean, he is a man
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: on a mission and he's been durable. Thirty one and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: a half is the number. AJ. I know we've been
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of overs, but come.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: And they pissed him off too, So exactly, Oh y'all,
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: y'all think this is for real?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Like watch this, watch this show.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Remember a couple years ago and he said that was
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: just the mattin a to the Oscar winning movie or
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: whatever it was he said.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Remember whatever that quote was.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Yes, well this could be the year where he wins
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: the Oscar and the MVP, because I have a feeling
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: he's going to.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Go off this year.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I really hope he can do what he.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Can do, what he wants to do.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: If he thinks there's more value in hitting three twenty,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: he can hit three twenty. He thinks there's more value
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: in hitting fifty homers. He can hit forty five homers,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: so I'm taking over. The sky's the limit and he's
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: going to play one hundred and sixty two games this year.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I feel really good about this over I lock it in.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I think forty plus for Vladdie if he stays on
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the field, forty plus for me. And I know Toronto's
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: kind of had the weirdness without the ballpark's playing. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: don't care forty plus so book at people. If he
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: stays on the field, he's going to hit with some
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: serious power this year. And also he's one of those
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: guys where he's in the big league clubhouse as a kid.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: He's just not phased by pressure the same way. And
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: he's a natural talent, like he's just kind of got
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it all right. Game comes easy to him. So I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: think he's pissed off and motivated, and with someone like him,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: it does matter because he's pretty happy, go lucky. But
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: this is the take it personal year after what just happened.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: So ft fam Eric Kratz has been tweeting about and
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: playing in the bet MGM Poker Winter Online Championships, which
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: includes one point five million dollars in guaranteed prize Pool
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Money twenty one Trophy events. Krats, do you have a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: quick update for us on how you've been doing?
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Last two have been met, But tonight is the night.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Tonight I'm i am coming to win the exact same tournament.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: It's a PKO Progressive no yew five hundred dollars buy in.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I'll be there. You should be there too.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Is this the one that you won last year?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: It is?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: It was a five to twenty five. I want it
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: back in twenty three, the end of twenty three, right, yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: same one. It's a trophy. It's a trophy match tonight.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Not as nice as Aja's trophy, but I'm looking for
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: another one of my mans.