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55 Feet Underground: Ali Bradley Exposes the Cartel Superhighway Into America · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: Fifty five feet underground, two thousand feet long, a rail
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Speaker 1: system lighting ventilation built by cartel engineers, and the DOJ
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Speaker 1: just seized over a ton of cocaine from it. I
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Speaker 1: spoke with Ali Bradley and I show you the video
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Speaker 1: and she's got the shocking details. You and I have
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Speaker 1: talked about this for years now that the cartels aren't
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Speaker 1: just going to say, well, forget the thirteen billion a
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Speaker 1: year or whatever it was that they were making. They're
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Speaker 1: just going to get more creative about it. Before we
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Speaker 1: get into what they're doing to smuggle human beings in.
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Speaker 1: You just told me before we started about some tunnel
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Speaker 1: that was found and we're talking about tens of millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars in cocaine that's been trafficked through that.
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Speaker 2: Where is this, Yeah, we're talking about over a ton
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Speaker 2: of cocaine was found moving through this tunnel. It was
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Speaker 2: actually a tunnel linking Tijuana to San Diego to Ota Mesa,
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Speaker 2: specifically a neighborhood in San Diego, and it popped up
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Speaker 2: underneath a business called Buy for Less and HSI was
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Speaker 2: actually looking into this business for quite some time. For months,
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Speaker 2: this was an operation that they were digging into and
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Speaker 2: ultimately they found they were moving suitcases, briefcases, boxes.
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Speaker 3: Whatever it might have been.
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Speaker 2: They were moving these drugs through this tunnel and then
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Speaker 2: moving them into freezers and then into trucks, and sheriff's
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Speaker 2: deputies stopped these trucks and that's when they ultimately found
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Speaker 2: over a ton of cocaine worth forty five million dollars. Now,
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Speaker 2: this tunnel though sophisticated packs. We're not talking about a
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Speaker 2: dirt track underneath the ground here, we're talking about fifty
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Speaker 2: five feet deep.
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Speaker 3: They're hiring engineers.
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Speaker 2: By the way, They're not just building these with a
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Speaker 2: couple of cartel bros.
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Speaker 3: They're actually down there with sophisticated technolog It's not.
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Speaker 1: The cartel bros. I thought it might. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but I think I've seen a little bit
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Speaker 1: of video and go follow Alli right now to go
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Speaker 1: see this on her ex. She is at Ali Bradley TV.
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Speaker 1: So explain it. I mean, they looked like they were
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Speaker 1: sliding on something and moving through something. And this was
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Speaker 1: not sort of you know, walking through for five hours. No.
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Speaker 3: So it's fifty five feet deep.
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Speaker 2: It's about two thousand feet long, connecting Tijuana and San
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Speaker 2: Diego and inside they have lighting, they had ventilation, They
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Speaker 2: had a moving rail track that would literally allow them
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Speaker 2: to transport cargo to and from either border city, is
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Speaker 2: what we were looking at.
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Speaker 3: And so it does.
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Speaker 2: It's like a little mini train rail underneath that they
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Speaker 2: were able to slide cargo through, and you can see
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Speaker 2: people sliding on it as well, like through there. So
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Speaker 2: some of those areas were big enough for people to
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Speaker 2: stand up in, but a lot of it was like
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Speaker 2: four and a half feet high, so more of a
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Speaker 2: you know, crouch down situation. So when I talked to
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Speaker 2: experts about this, they believe this was more of a
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Speaker 2: drug running tunnel than it was a people moving tunnel
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Speaker 2: in the sense of you wouldn't like people would be,
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Speaker 2: you know, walking like this through there, whereas when you're
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Speaker 2: moving drugs and it was this whole railway, that's a
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Speaker 2: lot easier. But the reality is, I mean, you said it,
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Speaker 2: the cartel's not giving up their thirteen billion dollars a
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Speaker 2: year franchise. That's what Congress says they were making under
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Speaker 2: Biden when they were moving just people that didn't count
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Speaker 2: the drugs, And I mean, you look at that a
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Speaker 2: forty five million dollar drug seizure. That's a major hit
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Speaker 2: to the cartel. Now, the DOJ is tying this bus
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Speaker 2: specifically to CJNG, that's the most one of the most
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Speaker 2: prolific cartels outside of Sinaloa, and they're tying it directly
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Speaker 2: to them, saying this delivers a massive blow to the
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Speaker 2: Cartel Jalisco new generation cartel. So that is what we're
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Speaker 2: looking at right now. But yeah, that tunnel is very sophisticated,
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Speaker 2: and I don't know even how it takes months, if
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Speaker 2: not years to build these things. I mean, they've got
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Speaker 2: quick crete steps, you know, everything is concrete inside. It's
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Speaker 2: not just a dirty, you know, hallway that they walk down.
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Speaker 2: This was a sophisticated tunnel where I'm sure they were
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Speaker 2: moving more than just that forty five million dollars worth
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Speaker 2: of cocaine. I wonder how much got through and what
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Speaker 2: else they were moving through there. But that's the reality
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Speaker 2: right now down in San Diego. And this cartel expert
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Speaker 2: that we talked to said, we're likely going to see
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Speaker 2: more of these tunnels popping up, because yeah, they didn't
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Speaker 2: just give up. They didn't just stop moving people or drugs.
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Speaker 2: With the more secure border, we might not be as often,
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Speaker 2: but they're still doing it, and they are still smuggling people.
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Speaker 3: They are still moving them in semi trucks.
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Speaker 2: We saw twenty just the other day through DPS, back
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Speaker 2: to back instances where there were twenty people in a
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Speaker 2: semi truck. One of those semi trucks was a clone
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Speaker 2: a semi truck. So they're still being very creative trying
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Speaker 2: to get their product.
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Speaker 3: Into the United States. And I'm calling.
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Speaker 2: People a product PAGs because that's exactly what they are
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Speaker 2: to the cartel.
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Speaker 3: They're a commodity. They don't care.
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Speaker 2: They will put them in a semi truck with no escape,
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Speaker 2: with no ventilation, with no air conditioning. They don't care
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Speaker 2: if these people live or die once they get their money. Now,
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Speaker 2: there is a line that goes with that though, that
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Speaker 2: they're indentured servants. Once they get into the United States,
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Speaker 2: the cartel can still make some money off of them.
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Speaker 2: So they care a little bit if their cargo makes
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Speaker 2: it in right, because if it's drugs, they're going to
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Speaker 2: make the money. If it's people, they'll be able to
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Speaker 2: bug the people later on for some help, maybe moving
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Speaker 2: drugs or people later on.
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Speaker 1: It is Ali Bradley TV over on social media. Go
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Speaker 1: her on x as well. She posts a lot of
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Speaker 1: these videos. You do have video of this actual cartel run.
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Speaker 3: Tunnel, right, Yeah, you're exactly right.
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Speaker 2: Not only did the government in Mexico post video so
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Speaker 2: we were able to acquire that, but so did our
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Speaker 2: own government a couple of different angles, so you can
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Speaker 2: really see what's.
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Speaker 3: Going on in this tunnel.
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Speaker 2: They found ammunition, they found marijuana, they found all these
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Speaker 2: different things inside of that business as well. So a
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Speaker 2: lot of charges coming down for those four individuals, and
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Speaker 2: then likely more because the investigation is ongoing.
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Speaker 1: PAGs, can you tell me how it works. Do they
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Speaker 1: come and take over a local business? Did they start
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Speaker 1: the local business themselves as cartel members? I mean, because
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Speaker 1: again I can imagine having a business in San Diego
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Speaker 1: and somebody comes in, you know, pa a combo? Okay,
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Speaker 1: So do they do they pay the people off? Do
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Speaker 1: they say we're taking or else you're all dead because
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Speaker 1: as you're building this this tunnel, you have to know
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Speaker 1: where you want it to come out, and you have
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Speaker 1: to feel the cartel members that you're safe to do
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Speaker 1: your bidding, you know, through this business without anybody finding out.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you build a tunnel and nobody
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Speaker 1: hears it happening as it's going on from you know,
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Speaker 1: from Tijuana to San Diego. But so you're saying the
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Speaker 1: businesses either did exist or they build their own.
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Speaker 2: No, the businesses exist, so they're either on the take
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Speaker 2: or they're forced forced to do it right. But what
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Speaker 2: this cartel expert was telling me is this business was
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Speaker 2: a front for the cartels, for them to be able
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Speaker 2: to move their products. So however they got that business
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Speaker 2: to play ball, whether they knew somebody, whether somebody there
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Speaker 2: had family in Mexico and they were extorting them, whether
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Speaker 2: they were extorting that business itself. I mean, the cartel's
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Speaker 2: present in all fifty states as well, so that's that's
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Speaker 2: worth noting. So they were already probably present over in
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Speaker 2: San Diego and probably went over and they're, hey, we
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Speaker 2: got a business proposition for you. And it's not really
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Speaker 2: a proposition because if you don't do it, We're going
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Speaker 2: to kill your family.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's likely something that happened.
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Speaker 2: But the other you know, when I asked this cartel expert,
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Speaker 2: I asked the exact same question, how this business get involved?
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Speaker 2: And he said a myriad of ways, right, just how
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Speaker 2: I explained. They could be on the payroll, they could
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Speaker 2: be literally people that are tied to the cartel that
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Speaker 2: are running the business. Will find those things out as
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Speaker 2: the investigation continues. But they could also be somebody that
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Speaker 2: was extorted and was forced to kind of do this
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Speaker 2: bidding for the cartel.
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Speaker 3: So, you know, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: But I did ask as well, how in the world
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Speaker 2: did Mexico not see it? Because all the dirts coming
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Speaker 2: out of Mexico, Right, you're not kicking dirt up from
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Speaker 2: excavators under buy for us, right, they're pulling it out
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Speaker 2: on the south side of the border.
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Speaker 3: And he said, same thing.
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Speaker 2: These individuals that are there, maybe it's lawmakers, maybe it's
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Speaker 2: law enforcement. They're either paid off or they're part of
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Speaker 2: the whole Shenanigan, and so they're turning a blind eye
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Speaker 2: to this and letting them operate because it is something
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Speaker 2: that we've we've talked about it. We have indictments against
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Speaker 2: several people right now because these political leaders are tied
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Speaker 2: to the cartel, to the DJ right. So you've got
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Speaker 2: this cartel tunnel being dug for months, if not a year,
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Speaker 2: and you've got excavators moving dirt.
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Speaker 3: How did no one see that?
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Speaker 1: They saw? They saw you were You're right, of course
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Speaker 1: they saw they were paid off or threatened, And I
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Speaker 1: mean that that only makes sense. And you're right they
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Speaker 1: weren't bringing the dirt to this side because at least
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Speaker 1: somebody might have done something if they saw something. I
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Speaker 1: still think that you could hear them making a tunnel,
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Speaker 1: but that's another topic for another day. It's Ali Bradley
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Speaker 1: Ellen Bradley TV.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, five feet deep tags, so that might be tough
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Speaker 2: to hear.
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Speaker 1: And I love it felt like an earthquake or what
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Speaker 1: it was where you're tak you're taking away earth from
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Speaker 1: underneath San Diego. I mean you would feel something, wouldn't
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Speaker 1: you. You just think it was the San Andreas Fault. I guess,
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Maybe there was a recent earthquake and we just played
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Speaker 2: it off like it wasn't one.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it could be consider.
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Speaker 2: And I asked, I said, are these tunnels popping up
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Speaker 2: under houses?
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Speaker 1: Who?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they are residents, like people's houses, stash houses,
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Speaker 3: whatever it might be.
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Speaker 1: They well, let me that's a great point. How did
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Speaker 1: they find this? Because you can't come to my house
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Speaker 1: and walk in because you feel like that's illegal into
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Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment. So if it is a house, I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're actually much safer from scrutiny than a business. But
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Speaker 1: how did they find out about this? Did anybody tell
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Speaker 1: you we found out about this because did something happen.
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Speaker 3: They were watching? I guess it was unusual business activity.
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Speaker 2: This HSI investigation led them to that that it was
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Speaker 2: unusual activity coming out of the business, and that's when
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Speaker 2: they found these suitcases being transported from these deep freezers
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Speaker 2: into these vehicles, and they were watching all of this.
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Speaker 2: They stopped the vehicles and that's where they found the drugs,
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Speaker 2: and then it subsequently searched the business found the tunnel.
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Speaker 2: The Mexico side. On their side, they found the tunnel
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Speaker 2: as well. Now I don't know how Mexico found the tunnel.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was in conjunction, if they worked.
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Speaker 3: With the United States, Yeah, I would think the God.
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Speaker 2: We've got a problem down here, and Mexico was just
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Speaker 2: quicker at releasing the information. But Mexico was actually first
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Speaker 2: to report that the tunnel was found.
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Speaker 1: Thing. It's Sally Bradley TV on all the social media.
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Speaker 1: Check her out on a news nation as well. You
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Speaker 1: mentioned this in passing, and I want to get an
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Speaker 1: earnest into this if you don't mind. During Biden you
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Speaker 1: were reporting on thousands and thousands and thousands of people
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Speaker 1: every single fricking day coming across the border illegally getting tps,
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Speaker 1: getting asylum claims, getting a court date. Seven years later,
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Speaker 1: all of that stopped with Trump's executive voters. But as
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Speaker 1: we just talked about, the cartel's not giving up that money.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to stop, you know, human trafficking. As
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Speaker 1: you said, human beings are a product. As long as
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Speaker 1: they get paid, they'll keep on trying to do it.
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Speaker 1: What happened was this a tractor trailer? Was this a
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Speaker 1: train car where they found seven people died? Because that's
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Speaker 1: what they're doing now, right, there's trying to smuggle them
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Speaker 1: the old way again, in the backs of eighteen wheelers
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Speaker 1: and train cars.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, what's old is new again, right, Those tactics
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Speaker 2: work for them in the past, so they're doing it again.
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Speaker 2: And we are seeing some different things where they've cloned
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Speaker 2: the semi trucks or whatnot.
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Speaker 3: But with this situation, it was actually a train car.
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Speaker 2: So what happened is these individuals allegedly got loaded up
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Speaker 2: on this train in del Rio. They think that they
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Speaker 2: crossed the river. They got help from a facilitator in
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Speaker 2: del Rio. They put them on this train. The train
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Speaker 2: ends up going up to San Antonio, splits off. One
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Speaker 2: person was actually found dead on the tracks up there
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Speaker 2: in bar Cooney and then went down south to Laredo
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Speaker 2: and they found six bodies inside.
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Speaker 3: Including a fourteen year old.
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Speaker 2: And so those individuals are now tied to this woman
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Speaker 2: in del Rio. The woman when they went there was
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Speaker 2: an HSI investigation. When they went to her house, three
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Speaker 2: individuals ran out of the house across the river back
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Speaker 2: to Mexico. They were apparently her family members. But they
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Speaker 2: still put her in jail on harboring charges because they
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Speaker 2: want to bring additional charges to her tying her. Asked
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Speaker 2: what they are calling the facilitator to this Laredo train
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Speaker 2: situation that happened.
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Speaker 1: So she heat exhaustion.
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Speaker 3: Heat exhaustion. They couldn't get out either.
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Speaker 2: You can't open those things from the inside, and so
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Speaker 2: they couldn't get out, so they died heat exhaustion, according
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Speaker 2: to the medical Examiner.
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Speaker 1: So the cartel gets paid, loads them up like cattle,
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Speaker 1: and if they die, they die, it really does. It's
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Speaker 1: no sweat off of their back. They're gonna get paid
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Speaker 1: again tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And the sad thing is, I mean, it's no sweat
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Speaker 2: off their backs. But like I mentioned, they are still
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Speaker 2: an asset to them in the sense of once they
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Speaker 2: get to where they're going, say, say you crossed. Say
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Speaker 2: Joe PABs crosses a border. He says, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: New York. Okay, give me your five thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: Go to New York.
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Speaker 2: When you get to New York, they might call you
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Speaker 2: a couple months later and say, hey, Joe, remember when
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Speaker 2: you paid us that five thousand dollars, Well you actually
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Speaker 2: owe us a little bit more, or else we're going
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Speaker 2: to kill your abuela down Venezuela if you don't go
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Speaker 2: and run drugs for us, or if you don't go
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Speaker 2: down to the border and smuggle people. So we see
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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants smuggling illegal immigrants. We see asylum seekers smuggling
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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 1: And they're doing it because because they're indebted, they have.
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Speaker 2: To exactly exactly, or or they they've gotten to the
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Speaker 2: US and they can't get work, so they do what
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Speaker 2: they know and they end up back down at the
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Speaker 2: border moving drugs.
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Speaker 3: But again, you're working for the cartel.
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Speaker 2: So no matter what happens, if you move across that
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Speaker 2: border in any capacity, you've interacted. Unless you're very, very
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Speaker 2: lucky or you're a Mexican national that really knows the
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Speaker 2: border like the back of your hand, you're at the
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Speaker 2: hands of the cartel. Crossing the border, there's plaza buses,
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Speaker 2: there's these lower level guys that work in these little
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Speaker 2: hubs that get their hands on these migrants that tell
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Speaker 2: them what, where, when, why they're crossing, and they dictate
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Speaker 2: that all and they dictate how much money they have
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Speaker 2: to pay. So if they're a special interest migrant, they're
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Speaker 2: going to be paying a lot more than someone from
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Speaker 2: Mexico or something like that. So it all is at
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Speaker 2: the hands of the cartel, and it's a business, and
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Speaker 2: people are just as much of a commodity as a
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Speaker 2: drug to them. It's they're expendable too. They don't care.
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Speaker 2: They'll get more down the pipe, you know, if they
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Speaker 2: lose those ones, or if someone steals them, or whatever happens.
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Speaker 2: Because they have infighting their cartels. We're stealing each other's
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Speaker 2: migrants at one point under button. When when that happens,
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Speaker 2: you know, somebody's still making money and more are going
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Speaker 2: to come. Now they don't have as many people, so
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Speaker 2: they're charging more money as well. Like they're charging a
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Speaker 2: minimum of five thousand dollars from what I've heard, used
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Speaker 2: to be fifteen hundred and twenty five hundred up to
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Speaker 2: five thousand, fifteen thousand if your special interest. But now
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Speaker 2: we're looking at almost a baseline of around five grand
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Speaker 2: per person because they don't have as many people crossed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the volume is not what it was exactly right.
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Speaker 1: It's Oni Bradley Ali Bradley tv over on social media.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about del Rio. I live in
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Speaker 1: the San Antonio area, as you know, I've never been
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Speaker 1: to del Rio. Why is that such a good facility,
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Speaker 1: not good for us, but good facility for the cartels
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Speaker 1: to get people across the border. What's the deal? Is
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Speaker 1: it just the Geographically, this makes easy sense. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what is it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean geographically it makes pretty easy sense. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: there's issues with the wall structure down here. You don't
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Speaker 2: have a wall all the way across the border. The
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Speaker 2: neighboring sector is Laredo. They don't have a wall anywhere.
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Speaker 2: So you've got people that cross the border. They get
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Speaker 2: loaded up in a vehicle and it's a straight shot
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Speaker 2: up to San Antonio from here. It's about two and
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Speaker 2: a half hours to get to San Antonio and that's
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Speaker 2: a major transportation hub. Or they can cross them here
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Speaker 2: at the border and they can get on a Greyhound
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Speaker 2: bus and get up to San Antonio really easily. So
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of options for them down here, or
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Speaker 2: they cannot be trade. So it's a very attractive area
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Speaker 2: to cross. I wouldn't say it's the most attractive. I
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Speaker 2: would say right now, al Paso is getting a lot
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Speaker 2: more foot traffic than Del Rio, and so is Laredo.
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Speaker 2: That's why they serge resources to Laredo. This is actually
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Speaker 2: the second wave of resources that are coming in right
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Speaker 2: now to Laredo because that's where the two semi trucks
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Speaker 2: with twenty people that was also found in Laredo. A
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Speaker 2: stash house with forty one individuals was found in Laredo.
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Speaker 2: This was in just the last week and a half
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Speaker 2: where those three incidents had happened, And so they have
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Speaker 2: around two hundred additional agents that are there. So they
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Speaker 2: spend about thirty days. They can either renew for another
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Speaker 2: thirty days or cycle out. So now they've got a
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Speaker 2: new wave of guys that just went through orientation yes,
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Speaker 2: and are working in Laredo again. So I would say
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Speaker 2: places like Laredo are more of an attractive spot right
16:07
Speaker 2: now because you have a volume of people coming across,
16:11
Speaker 2: so it's easier to go through holes. So if you
16:13
Speaker 2: surge resources to where the people are crossing, look over here,
16:17
Speaker 2: we can move drugs in the hole over there, or
16:19
Speaker 2: we can do drugs into Del Rio or whatever, because
16:22
Speaker 2: all the resources are in Laredo right now.
16:24
Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of what's happening.
16:26
Speaker 2: Like last night, I woke up to a text message
16:28
Speaker 2: out of Kinney County, where it's the neighboring county to
16:31
Speaker 2: where I'm sitting in and they had a bailout in
16:34
Speaker 2: a pursuit and a bailout with six individuals that absconded
16:37
Speaker 2: into a ranch and poof, they're gone.
16:39
Speaker 3: And so they're still seeing smuggling down here.
16:42
Speaker 2: It's not rampant like it was under the Biden administraution,
16:46
Speaker 2: where they were seeing two to three pursuits a day.
16:49
Speaker 2: Now they're seeing you know, it depends on where they're at,
16:52
Speaker 2: but you might see three a week. There was just
16:54
Speaker 2: another one that bailed out in town here last week.
16:57
Speaker 2: So there's been a lot of activity here, more so
17:01
Speaker 2: than what we saw in the beginning of Trump. And
17:03
Speaker 2: we've also seen encounter numbers higher than what we saw
17:06
Speaker 2: under the previous or not previous administration, but the first
17:10
Speaker 2: kind of year of his administration, we saw those numbers plummet.
17:14
Speaker 3: Now they're creeping up again.
17:16
Speaker 2: And in April it was eighty six percent higher than
17:19
Speaker 2: the April previously. So we're seeing those numbers still tick up.
17:23
Speaker 2: But they're they're claiming that no one's being released, so
17:26
Speaker 2: that's what they continue to maintain. But the reality is
17:30
Speaker 2: they get they cross the border, they get arrested for
17:33
Speaker 2: crossing the border, they go to court. They might get
17:36
Speaker 2: out in eight days, ten days, time served, whatever the judge.
17:39
Speaker 2: I've sat in court and watched them they give them
17:42
Speaker 2: ten days, but then they'll count for the time served
17:45
Speaker 2: so they can get out in five you know.
17:47
Speaker 1: And they're not sending them back when they get out.
17:48
Speaker 1: They'reletting them go into our society.
17:50
Speaker 2: They turn them over, they turn them over to ICE. Right,
17:53
Speaker 2: So then what is ICE doing with them?
17:55
Speaker 3: We don't know.
17:56
Speaker 2: We believe they're not being released into the country, but
17:59
Speaker 2: they're not being released from the border. No, So that's
18:02
Speaker 2: where I wonder if they're playing with words, because are
18:06
Speaker 2: people being released by ICE after they go through a
18:09
Speaker 2: court proceeding or are they getting kicked right back across
18:12
Speaker 2: the border.
18:13
Speaker 3: You know, they're not being released from border patrol.
18:16
Speaker 1: Now I know you very well. I know you've asked
18:18
Speaker 1: that question or you're not getting an answer.
18:21
Speaker 3: No, we don't know.
18:23
Speaker 2: We don't know what's going on with once they go
18:25
Speaker 2: through court, if they are in fact removed from the country,
18:30
Speaker 2: because that's not necessarily their order. They're they're they paid
18:34
Speaker 2: their they did their time across the border illegally, and
18:37
Speaker 2: they did their time. They paid their fine. They usually
18:39
Speaker 2: have a fine that they have to pay and they
18:40
Speaker 2: have to deal with that. But the reality is, we
18:44
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on once they're passed down the line,
18:48
Speaker 2: we believe that they're being removed because that's what the
18:51
Speaker 2: administration is saying. So, but you don't always want to
18:54
Speaker 2: trust everything in the administration says either. You know, that
18:57
Speaker 2: wouldn't make us very good journalist.
18:59
Speaker 1: Well, right, and when you're a politician, everything's great. Everything
19:02
Speaker 1: that I've done is great, it's perfect, it's fantastic, it's great.
19:05
Speaker 1: And I do, of course personally, I am for President
19:08
Speaker 1: Trump over President Biden on this in many topics. But no,
19:12
Speaker 1: I don't take anything he says as face value. That's
19:14
Speaker 1: why I have you on that, along with the fact
19:17
Speaker 1: that you're awesome. So let me ask you one last
19:19
Speaker 1: thing about Del Rio. We know it's a hot spot.
19:22
Speaker 1: You know that, I know that, you know that I
19:24
Speaker 1: know that it's a problem. Why is there anybody fixing it?
19:27
Speaker 1: Why isn't the federal government and Immigration Services whatever DHS
19:31
Speaker 1: going and bolstering whatever it's there, fixing the bridge, shutting
19:34
Speaker 1: it down. I mean, if I'm a cartel member, I'm
19:37
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, how dumb are they? We keep on
19:39
Speaker 1: sending them through Del Rio. Nobody's doing anything, So they.
19:42
Speaker 3: Are trying to do some things right now.
19:44
Speaker 2: They are working on a wall structure and they are
19:47
Speaker 2: going to be putting blue barriers through the Rio brand.
19:50
Speaker 2: That is the major smuggling hotspot is the Rio brand.
19:54
Speaker 2: Down here, you have to cross it. There's a river
19:56
Speaker 2: or a street called the Vega Verde Road. It's a
19:59
Speaker 2: dead end road. Which this doesn't I don't understand this.
20:02
Speaker 2: How are people still making it past agents on that
20:05
Speaker 2: road when it's a dead end, I don't get it.
20:08
Speaker 2: It must be during shift change, I don't know. But
20:10
Speaker 2: say five people cross and they get loaded up in
20:13
Speaker 2: a vehicle and Border patrol has saturated that road.
20:17
Speaker 3: Why isn't that vehicle stopped?
20:20
Speaker 2: And if it is, you know what I mean, like
20:21
Speaker 2: because wishing bailouts in town. So they made it through there.
20:26
Speaker 2: We're getting people on trains, so they made it through there.
20:30
Speaker 2: How are they making it out of a dead end
20:31
Speaker 2: road with that many Border patrol agents? So you know,
20:35
Speaker 2: it's confusing to me. They do have resources down here,
20:39
Speaker 2: they haven't from what I understand, polled many resources here
20:41
Speaker 2: to go help Floredo. They have specific teams working on
20:45
Speaker 2: different shifts right now, trying to like targeting teams trying
20:49
Speaker 2: to find these individuals trying to kind of cut the
20:52
Speaker 2: head of the snake off and figure out who the
20:54
Speaker 2: facilitators are and who's behind this working with the cartel
20:58
Speaker 2: instead of just going after a low level smuggler or
21:01
Speaker 2: somebody who gets recruited off of Snapchat. Right, so they're
21:04
Speaker 2: trying to go after the big dog in the game.
21:07
Speaker 3: But again, like.
21:09
Speaker 2: They've got some problems down here, you're seeing still some
21:12
Speaker 2: pursuits and some issues. Egle Pass still seeing some issues.
21:16
Speaker 2: That's why some of these pursuits end up in Del
21:18
Speaker 2: Rio is because they come straight down the highway from
21:21
Speaker 2: Eagle Pass to Del Rio before going upwards, and so
21:24
Speaker 2: we're seeing people load up in Eagle Pass and end
21:26
Speaker 2: up in Del Rio. We're seeing people load up in
21:28
Speaker 2: Del Rio and end up in town. And so there's
21:32
Speaker 2: some issues down at the southern border. Still, the border
21:35
Speaker 2: is not secure. You even heard in one of my
21:37
Speaker 2: recent interviews from the former chief Jason Owens, who was
21:41
Speaker 2: basically removed because he was under Biden and he wasn't.
21:44
Speaker 2: He wasn't removed because he towed Biden's line, but Trump
21:47
Speaker 2: didn't want anything attached to Biden. So unfortunately, a most
21:51
Speaker 2: agents like Jason Owens, and I believe him when he says,
21:54
Speaker 2: I don't feel confident telling the American people that the
21:57
Speaker 2: border is secure, because if it was, we would be
21:59
Speaker 2: able to interdict and respond to every threat. And he said,
22:02
Speaker 2: right now, I don't feel confident that we're doing that. Wow,
22:05
Speaker 2: it is good from a former chief.
22:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Ali Bradley. Ali Bradley TV. Over on all
22:12
Speaker 1: the social media, great follow on all of them. She
22:15
Speaker 1: gives great news reports on x and then over on Instagram.
22:18
Speaker 1: Met a little more insight into her life, which I
22:19
Speaker 1: think is wonderful. Let me ask you about trendy Arragua
22:22
Speaker 1: and MS thirteen. Are they still here? Are they still
22:25
Speaker 1: like they were taking over apartment complexes in you know, Aurora,
22:29
Speaker 1: Colorado before. They're not doing that anymore. But what is
22:31
Speaker 1: the status of them? Have we rounded them up?
22:34
Speaker 3: No, they're still out there.
22:36
Speaker 2: We still see ICE reporting on you know, a random trend.
22:39
Speaker 2: Are rob will member that they might find in New
22:42
Speaker 2: Jersey or Colorado or Washington State?
22:45
Speaker 3: MS thirteen same thing.
22:47
Speaker 2: They've both been designated as terrorist organizations under Trump, but
22:51
Speaker 2: that doesn't seem to be running them out of town,
22:53
Speaker 2: if you will, at last check, I can't remember exactly
22:57
Speaker 2: how many states they're president, but it was twenty three,
23:00
Speaker 2: and that number jumped pretty substantially. I'll have to go
23:04
Speaker 2: back and look at my numbers and let you know
23:06
Speaker 2: what that one is, but I feel like it's in
23:07
Speaker 2: the forties. Now that they're present in that many states,
23:11
Speaker 2: just about every state, it's almost loafe to say that
23:13
Speaker 2: trendy Aragua has been present, and so you got the
23:17
Speaker 2: cartel present in all states. You got Trendy Aragua still
23:20
Speaker 2: out there causing problems. But you also have to understand
23:23
Speaker 2: they had so much heat on them with those apartment
23:25
Speaker 2: complexes and with other issues and all of those things
23:28
Speaker 2: being busted. It kind of seems like they're taking the
23:31
Speaker 2: more quiet approach and kind of trying to fly under
23:33
Speaker 2: the radar a little bit more because ice is so
23:36
Speaker 2: prevalent right now in the interior, and because they are
23:38
Speaker 2: going after these kind of bigger extortion operations that are
23:43
Speaker 2: tied to these two terrorist organizations. And so they're still present,
23:47
Speaker 2: they're still operating, they're still being arrested, but I think
23:51
Speaker 2: that they're just trying to be a little bit more
23:53
Speaker 2: quiet and fly under the radar right now.
23:55
Speaker 1: Paks A lot of them got in without us even
23:58
Speaker 1: seeing them, and a lot of got away. A lot
24:00
Speaker 1: of people are hating the asylum claims and they can
24:02
Speaker 1: wait for a court date. How in practice are trend
24:06
Speaker 1: dear Agua and ms thir team members mixing into communities.
24:10
Speaker 1: Is it obvious who they are that they're possible gang members?
24:13
Speaker 1: Are they getting into a community that might have a
24:15
Speaker 1: large Hispanic you know population, they send their kids to school,
24:18
Speaker 1: they mix in as they're doing their nefarious deeds. Because
24:21
Speaker 1: in Colorado they were really stupid. They were walking around
24:23
Speaker 1: with guns and they were saying, we're taking over the
24:26
Speaker 1: apartment complex as Aurora lied and said that they weren't
24:29
Speaker 1: doing that. What is their modus operandi? Now? Did they
24:32
Speaker 1: change it?
24:34
Speaker 3: I think that they're doing what you said. I think
24:36
Speaker 3: that they're blending in.
24:37
Speaker 2: I think that they're able to operate within communities quietly,
24:41
Speaker 2: and I think that that's the way that they that
24:44
Speaker 2: they want it right now, because again, they had so
24:46
Speaker 2: much heat on them when it came to the response
24:50
Speaker 2: from Isen, from DHS and those those apartment complexes. But
24:54
Speaker 2: you have to remember those apartment complexes were also a
24:57
Speaker 2: lot of illegal immigrants living inside of those apart in complexes,
25:00
Speaker 2: so not a lot of people were kind of tattling.
25:03
Speaker 3: On the situation.
25:05
Speaker 2: And so that could be the case now is they
25:07
Speaker 2: could be operating in these Hispanic communities where there are
25:10
Speaker 2: people that are here illegally and no one's blowing the
25:13
Speaker 2: whistle on them because they're too scared for retaliation or
25:17
Speaker 2: they're too scared to reach out to authorities because they're
25:20
Speaker 2: here illegally themselves and could possibly face deportation if they go. Hey,
25:24
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm from Venezuela, and I recognize these
25:27
Speaker 2: other guys from Venezuela.
25:28
Speaker 1: Right, gotcha that it makes a lot of sense.
25:31
Speaker 3: Farewell for them. So it could just be that it's
25:34
Speaker 3: not being reported.
25:35
Speaker 1: Immigration correspondent News Nation. Of course, he's the senior immigration correspondent.
25:39
Speaker 1: It's Ali Bradley. Ali, I know that you're not in
25:41
Speaker 1: New Jersey, and I want to end with this. I
25:42
Speaker 1: had a reporter on the other day from his name
25:44
Speaker 1: is wood Lyman, who is out there outside of Delaney Hall,
25:47
Speaker 1: and I taught as I was interviewing him, I mentioned
25:50
Speaker 1: you because I said, to remember, when Ali Bradley was
25:52
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, they were pouring water on the road to
25:55
Speaker 1: try to have the car slide off the road because
25:58
Speaker 1: it was so cold at It's now warm now almost summer.
26:00
Speaker 1: New Jersey is not under a deep freeze. So what
26:03
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're breaking up wood, I guess, and
26:05
Speaker 1: they're throwing the wood on the road in the hopes
26:07
Speaker 1: of popping tires or harming the ice up the ice vehicles.
26:10
Speaker 1: Can you compare and contrast what you saw with your
26:14
Speaker 1: own eyes and then you brought it to us live
26:16
Speaker 1: from Minneapolis to what you're seeing being reported out of
26:19
Speaker 1: Delaney Hall? Is much of the same agitators? Is it
26:21
Speaker 1: much of the same mo It seems.
26:24
Speaker 3: Really really eerily similar.
26:25
Speaker 2: I mean, you had the horse patrol out there, you
26:28
Speaker 2: had riot shields out there. They I mean, the agitators
26:32
Speaker 2: were so aggressive that you had these massive clashes that
26:37
Speaker 2: were so similar to what we saw in Minnesota. But
26:40
Speaker 2: you've seen a curfew now put in place, You've seen
26:44
Speaker 2: a protest zone now put in place, and the differences.
26:47
Speaker 2: The governor is working with DHS on this one. They
26:51
Speaker 2: don't want the protests to spiral out of control like
26:54
Speaker 2: what we saw in Minneapolis. Might be a little bit
26:57
Speaker 2: too late because over the weekend there were twenty people arrested.
27:00
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of clashes, so it might be
27:02
Speaker 2: a little bit late to put the toothpaste back in
27:04
Speaker 2: the tube on that one, because people have already seen
27:06
Speaker 2: the optics that are outside of Delaney Hall. But now
27:09
Speaker 2: things have quieted down quite substantially with those new things
27:13
Speaker 2: in place. Like I said, the perimeter is there about
27:17
Speaker 2: a half a mile away from the facility now where
27:19
Speaker 2: they've got the protest zone. They've got a curfew in place,
27:22
Speaker 2: and the governor is kind of working with law enforcement.
27:26
Speaker 2: And that's what Mark Wayne Mullen, the DHS secretary, said
27:28
Speaker 2: was the biggest thing that was kind of the best
27:31
Speaker 2: thing that he saw in Delaney Hall was that the
27:32
Speaker 2: state police were able to actually help with crowd control
27:36
Speaker 2: and we're actually able to work with them, and he said,
27:38
Speaker 2: and that's when they saw people getting arrested from Portland,
27:42
Speaker 2: he said, we're seeing the same people from Portland come
27:45
Speaker 2: all the way to New Jersey and they're well equipped,
27:48
Speaker 2: he said. And they're also seeing Antifa flags all over
27:51
Speaker 2: in outside of Delaney Hall as well, so they believe
27:54
Speaker 2: that these are what they call outside agitators coming to
27:57
Speaker 2: cost problems in New Jersey as well. And we were
28:01
Speaker 2: doing a live report just yesterday with one of my colleagues,
28:04
Speaker 2: with Jessica Cartalia, and she turned around and asked one
28:07
Speaker 2: of the protesters, Hey, do you know who Mark Waynemullen is?
28:10
Speaker 2: And they said, nope, don't know him. And they said, okay,
28:13
Speaker 2: what are you out here protesting? We'd rather not talk
28:16
Speaker 2: on camera, you know, And she said, I don't think
28:19
Speaker 2: a lot of people know what they're out here actually
28:21
Speaker 2: protesting at this job that they don't even the message
28:25
Speaker 2: is lost.
28:25
Speaker 3: You know.
28:26
Speaker 1: Well, if you're getting paid and you're told you told
28:29
Speaker 1: government bad or go go to this facility, I'll give
28:31
Speaker 1: you a hundred bucks. Two hundred bucks. We've actually seen
28:33
Speaker 1: the ads where they're telling them, Okay, go tomorrow, don't
28:35
Speaker 1: go Thursday. Go the next day, stand in this corner.
28:38
Speaker 1: So this is all very very coordinated in your reporting.
28:41
Speaker 1: I think you've told us that consistently. This is coordinated.
28:45
Speaker 3: It's very orchestrated, you know.
28:47
Speaker 2: And they want they want the pepper bowls, they want
28:50
Speaker 2: the tear gas, they want that because I've seen it.
28:53
Speaker 2: I saw a guy I have it on camera where
28:55
Speaker 2: he said keep shooting us.
28:56
Speaker 3: The more you shoot us, the more we like it.
28:58
Speaker 2: And they do it for the Instagram, right, they want
29:00
Speaker 2: It's like a badge of honor to get hit by
29:02
Speaker 2: something like that, and they're like, bring it on, we
29:05
Speaker 2: want this, Like whoo, who would want that?
29:08
Speaker 1: Right?
29:08
Speaker 2: Unless you're trying to unless you're instigating, or you're trying
29:12
Speaker 2: to do it to show. Look look, ma, look where
29:14
Speaker 2: I was on Thursday. Yeah, you know, I mean that's
29:17
Speaker 2: the reality right now.
29:19
Speaker 1: Is there any way for us to know? And last question,
29:21
Speaker 1: thanks for all the time today, Ali, We love having
29:22
Speaker 1: you on. Is there any way for us to know
29:25
Speaker 1: if these hunger strikes are real? Because again when I
29:28
Speaker 1: had wit on the other day, he said he has
29:30
Speaker 1: actual reporting from inside that the snack bar is seeing
29:33
Speaker 1: record sales inside of that facility at Delney Hall. So
29:37
Speaker 1: is this some narrative that some outside source says they're
29:40
Speaker 1: not eating and there's a hunger strike and they're not
29:42
Speaker 1: feeding them and the conditions are horrible, and then the
29:45
Speaker 1: protesters hold signs saying they're not eating, hunger strike pop
29:48
Speaker 1: up and it might not be happening at all inside.
29:50
Speaker 1: Is that possible?
29:51
Speaker 3: I mean there's a chance, right. DHS maintains that it's
29:54
Speaker 3: not happening.
29:56
Speaker 2: We've seen lawmakers go there and tour the facility that
29:59
Speaker 2: are right wing lawmaker that say it's not happening. But
30:02
Speaker 2: I have not seen it with my own eyes, and
30:04
Speaker 2: you know how my reporting goes. I like to see
30:05
Speaker 2: it in order to be able to say what I know.
30:08
Speaker 2: So I don't really know what the reality is. And
30:11
Speaker 2: that's again going back to we can't just take DHS's word,
30:14
Speaker 2: the Trump administration's word for everything and say, oh, okay,
30:17
Speaker 2: it's not happening then.
30:19
Speaker 3: Because it could be.
30:20
Speaker 2: There could be something going on over there and they
30:23
Speaker 2: but maybe they're being offered food and they just don't
30:26
Speaker 2: want the food. I'm not sure, because we saw that
30:28
Speaker 2: under the bridge in Del Rio when the Haitian crisis happened.
30:31
Speaker 2: They actually were getting served by Rudy's, the barbecue place,
30:35
Speaker 2: and they were throwing it on the ground because it
30:37
Speaker 2: was not up to their I guess what their level
30:42
Speaker 2: of food would be.
30:43
Speaker 1: Wasn't that so shame Le's so stu at thirteen I'm sorry,
30:46
Speaker 1: fifteen to seventeen thousand people underneath the bridge, they left
30:50
Speaker 1: a massive mess. Rudy's wasn't good enough for them. They
30:52
Speaker 1: got to be crazy. It doesn't make any sense, Alliett.
30:54
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, We appreciate the access Olivia with
30:58
Speaker 1: this one thing, because maybe you'll be able to get in.
31:00
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell them in Delaney Hall that you'll
31:02
Speaker 1: go to New Jersey, you Ellie Bradley, and just let
31:05
Speaker 1: me in. Let me go see what the facility is,
31:07
Speaker 1: Let me go talk to the people that are in here,
31:09
Speaker 1: because we don't have any truth in reporting. You're right,
31:11
Speaker 1: the administration is going to say nothing's going on. The
31:13
Speaker 1: other side is going to say they're killing them inside.
31:15
Speaker 3: Let you in, Well, why not let everybody in? Why not?
31:19
Speaker 3: Why not bring a live stream camera in there?
31:21
Speaker 2: Then if you're if you're so adamant that what's happening
31:24
Speaker 2: is not happening, proof is in the pudding man, just
31:27
Speaker 2: show the video then, or bring us in, or bring
31:29
Speaker 2: bring the media that's in there to show it for themselves,
31:32
Speaker 2: bring CNN in, bring all these people in.
31:35
Speaker 3: I don't care, but show it so that.
31:37
Speaker 2: You can back up, you know, put your money where
31:40
Speaker 2: your mouth is, so we can see what's really going on.
31:43
Speaker 2: Because we don't know unequivocally, we cannot say yes they're lying.
31:47
Speaker 2: The hunger strike is not happening, so why wouldn't they
31:50
Speaker 2: show what's going on. They have put live streams inside
31:54
Speaker 2: the detention facilities.
31:56
Speaker 1: I mean that would end all questions. That would end
31:58
Speaker 1: all questions one hundred percent. I love that idea. Put
32:00
Speaker 1: live streams in Ali. I gotta go, you gotta go.
32:03
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time next time you got
32:04
Speaker 1: to get out, walk and talk. You didn't do it
32:06
Speaker 1: this time, and I'm a little disappointed, but it's always
32:08
Speaker 1: great to have you. It's Ali Bradley. No, no, no,
32:12
Speaker 1: we're good today. I think that we've used up the time.
32:14
Speaker 1: Senior Immigration correspondent News Nation follow her everywhere at Ali
32:18
Speaker 1: Bradley TV or back after this stay right here